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Speaker 1: Welcome to America's owl, Mr Garbutschof tear down this wall

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Speaker 1: or either you're with us where you were with the terrorists.

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Speaker 1: If you've got healthcare already, then you can keep your plan.

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Speaker 1: If you're satisfied with it is not a president of

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Speaker 1: make America great again. We will never sharender. It's what

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Speaker 1: you've been waiting for all day. But Sexton with America

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Speaker 1: four four nine hundred buck. That's eight four four nine

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Speaker 1: hundred two, eight to five, sharp mind, strong voice. But

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Speaker 1: Sexton the New York Times has provided a vaublic service

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Speaker 1: lust twenty four hours. They've reminded us just what we're

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Speaker 1: up against in this country right now, the kinds of

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Speaker 1: falsehoods and lies and nonsense to which we are exposed

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Speaker 1: by media outlets that are supposed to be the gold

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Speaker 1: standards of truth, the ultimate in journalism. And yet if

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Speaker 1: you were to read the New York Times editorial in

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Speaker 1: response to an attempted mass assassination yesterday of Republican members

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Speaker 1: of Congress by a left wing Bernie Sanders supporting Democrat,

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Speaker 1: you would think that somehow Republicans once again were to blame,

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Speaker 1: this time for a mass shooting targeting Republican elected representatives.

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Speaker 1: It is completely disgusting what The Times has written. It's wrong,

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Speaker 1: and I mean factually, but morally and ethically. This goes

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Speaker 1: beyond just disagreement. There is something wrong with the people

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Speaker 1: writing editorials at the New York Times, the editorial board.

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Speaker 1: They have a disconnect, They have a moral defect. This

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Speaker 1: political disagreement. We are still praying and hoping for a

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Speaker 1: full recovery by Representative Scalise. You have others who are

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Speaker 1: traumatized both physically and psychologically from yesterday's events and the

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Speaker 1: New York Times rights the following was this attack evidence

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Speaker 1: of how vicious American politics has become. Probably when Jared

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Speaker 1: Lee Loftner opened fire in a supermarket parking lot, grievously

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Speaker 1: wounding Representative Gabby Gifford's and killing six people, including a

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Speaker 1: nine year old girl, the link to political incitement was clear.

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Speaker 1: Before the shooting, Sarah Palin's Political Action Committee circulated a

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Speaker 1: map of target electoral districts that put Ms Gifford's and

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Speaker 1: nineteen other Democrats under stylized crosshairs. Conservatives and right wing

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Speaker 1: media were quick on Wednesday to demand forceful condemnations of

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Speaker 1: hate speech and crimes by anti Trump liberals. They're right,

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Speaker 1: though there's no sign of incitement as direct as in

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Speaker 1: the Gifford's attack. Liberals should of course hold themselves to

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Speaker 1: This is an abomination inwards. First of all, Jared Loughner

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Speaker 1: The map merely had congressional districts with UH sites pointed

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Speaker 1: an inanimate thing. And there is zero proof of any

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Speaker 1: the Sarah Palin map, And there's lots of proof that

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Speaker 1: Jared Loffner was just truly completely insane. You see, this

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Speaker 1: you know, I have to say some of my fellow

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Speaker 1: the broader environment. It's just the killer, It's just the

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Speaker 1: person who pulls the trigger. Well, yeah, that person is

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Speaker 1: That is just a fact. I mentioned Anti far and

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Speaker 1: some point it crosses a line with Antifa saying that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is the head of some crime syndicate that

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Speaker 1: That's a political disagreement. This isn't hey. I think that

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Speaker 1: That's a political disagreement. Hey, you you're supporting somebody that

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Speaker 1: That's not a political disagreement. That's an accusation, and that

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Speaker 1: also were willing to say this about terrorism, So clearly

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Speaker 1: you have a problem with looking at matters of degree, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean you look at terrorists acts both averted as

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Speaker 1: well as terrorist acts in terms of total casualties over

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Speaker 1: the last twenty years, it's not even close. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: I've given you too much time as it is on

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Speaker 1: my show. Um, let's go on to the next caller,

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Speaker 1: Joe and San Francisco. I heart app what's up Buck?

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Speaker 1: From one sub human monster to another? Shield time, buddy.

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Speaker 1: So I do have a hilarious anecdote if we've got

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Speaker 1: time about a conversation I had about guns with someone

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco here. But the main reason for my

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Speaker 1: call is that I would like to thank our Democrat

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Speaker 1: colleagues for dispensing with all the civic civil dialogue and

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Speaker 1: unity nonsense and getting on with the important work of

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Speaker 1: the nation, which is impeaching Donald Trump, stopping the Republicans

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Speaker 1: from killing everybody and destroying the planet and blaming Sarah

444
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Speaker 1: Palin for all the the political violence and the level

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Speaker 1: of our discourse in this country. Yeah, I mean you've

446
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Speaker 1: got you've got so called serious calumnists writing about how

447
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Speaker 1: Trump pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord is is

448
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: and it is like an active mass murderer. I forget

449
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Speaker 1: the exact verbiage, but it's something along those lines that

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00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: seems to me to be not just a stretch, but

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Speaker 1: that's that's a dangerous thing to say, many many different

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Speaker 1: comments along those lines. Um. So you know, I'd like

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Speaker 1: to invite you and the rest of your listeners and

454
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Speaker 1: even John to spend just take a moment and of

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Speaker 1: silence to observe the passing of the more civic dialogue,

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Speaker 1: because that's about as long as it lasted. Was one moment, Oh,

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Speaker 1: wasn't there. There was no There was no civility from

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Speaker 1: the from the other side. There was just a pause

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Speaker 1: so that they could get on the same messaging sheet.

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Speaker 1: And they weren't really sure what it was going to be.

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Speaker 1: Will it be guns this time? Will it be something else? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Will we try to do? I mean, the the classic

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Speaker 1: is what we just were just exposed to, which is this,

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Speaker 1: This happens on both sides. This is what this is now,

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Speaker 1: the refuge of of the moral relativists and and the imbecile,

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Speaker 1: which is, oh, well, you know, all religions have violence,

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Speaker 1: Really Quakers, that there's as much violence and Quakerism as

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Speaker 1: there is with in the corridors of Islam and jihadism. Really,

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Speaker 1: that they're they're all the same. Huh. All political ideologies,

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Speaker 1: you know, have their flaws. Okay, so communism, uh, capitalism,

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Speaker 1: a republic, a totalitary, and dictatorship, they've all got their flaws.

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Speaker 1: You know. Once, once you have given up the right

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Speaker 1: to make distinctions, once all of a sudden, judgment is

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Speaker 1: is just thrown out the window, and we're gonna claim

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Speaker 1: that everything is the same. Everyone can do things their way,

476
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Speaker 1: everyone makes mistakes, and there's no point in making distinctions anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well then we've lost right. Then, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: we are just subject to the whims of whomever is

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Speaker 1: in power. And I find it very troubling, Joe, that

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Speaker 1: there are so many people that would like to believe

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Speaker 1: that what's going on. People say, oh, try Obama and birthuism.

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Speaker 1: Birthism was first of all, you know, you look at

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Speaker 1: what was going on with birthuism and the top UH

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Speaker 1: conservative journals of opinion. We're all like this is from

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Speaker 1: the beginning. We're like, this is nonsense. Okay, this is

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Speaker 1: not real. And I know that, you know, Trump uh

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Speaker 1: dabbled in some birthuism for a little while. I wish

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Speaker 1: he hadn't um, but it wasn't. There's a difference between

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Speaker 1: saying that that somebody they think that somebody's birth reserving

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Speaker 1: has been forged, and somebody is guilty of high treason.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are not equivalent things. And there's also

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Speaker 1: not an equivalence between the amount of people that are

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Speaker 1: saying it and the way it's being said as as

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Speaker 1: it wasn't the administration, and I mean the main news

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Speaker 1: story for months now is Donald Trump Russia collusion. There

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Speaker 1: is no collusion. Okay, I can I can stake whatever

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Speaker 1: I can stake on it now for everybody listening, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump did not collude with Russia to throw the election.

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Speaker 1: Full stop. The people that have been saying for months that,

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Speaker 1: go I'm sorry, Joe, I'm just I'm a little go ahead,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Yeah, I understand, I understand. But buck, another

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Speaker 1: unnamed official whip knowledge of the affair said that there

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Speaker 1: might be indications of something going on, but of course,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the story, there's no no criminal

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Speaker 1: activity observed. So come on, what's wrong with you? Get

506
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: with the program? I mean, open your eyes, Open your eyes.

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Speaker 1: There's always false equivalence, but the point is there is

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Speaker 1: never equivalence. There's never equivalence. If you've got time for

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Speaker 1: my hilarious anecdote about San Francisco, make it quick because

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Speaker 1: we got to run to a break. Joe, go ahead, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I got into a conversation with the lethal use of

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Speaker 1: force by police with a with a woman here, and

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Speaker 1: in the course of the conversation, I said to her,

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Speaker 1: have you ever fired a gun? And her response to

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Speaker 1: me was no, but I've thrown toma hawks. Maybe the

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Speaker 1: hosts of the view have also thrown tomahawks. I that

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Speaker 1: sounds like fun. Actually, thank you for calling in, Joe,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy. She'll tie you know. I always remember

519
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Speaker 1: the Last The Mohicans, which I thought I think as

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Speaker 1: an underrated movie. I think it's a great movie. Michael

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Speaker 1: Mann directed it, Daniel day Lewis stars in it. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fantastic. But there's some really cool war

523
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Speaker 1: clubs in that and and usage of tomahawks. Good movie.

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Speaker 1: Just thrown it out there, Um, eight four buck, eight

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Speaker 1: to five. We're going to come back and have a

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Speaker 1: calm discussion of a whole bunch of things, including the

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Speaker 1: witch hunt against Trump, the effort that's underway for the

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Speaker 1: administration to get more apprenticeships going what that would mean

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Speaker 1: and oh so, and also updates on the American who

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Speaker 1: is released from North Korea and what that tells us

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Speaker 1: about that despotic and vile regime. And we've got a

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Speaker 1: lot more teams, stay with me. Senators passed a bill

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Speaker 1: that expands Russia sanctions speaking of Russia, and they've done

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Speaker 1: it in a way that the administration would need congressional

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Speaker 1: approval to lift existing sanctions here at the Wall Street

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Speaker 1: during reported today, the US Senate overwhelmingly he passed a

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Speaker 1: bill to expand sanctions on Moscow and rest more control

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Speaker 1: of Russian sanctions policy for rom the Trump administration, bucking

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Speaker 1: criticism of the legislation from European allies, the State Department

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Speaker 1: and the Kremlin. The bipartisan bill, which passed in the

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Speaker 1: Senate in a to vote, requires that the administration received

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Speaker 1: congressional approval to lift existing sanctions on Russia and also

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Speaker 1: broadened sanctions on Russia's energy sector, mandates punishment of malicious

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Speaker 1: cyber actors, and crim's financing available to Russia's banking and

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Speaker 1: energy sectors. The result is a strong distribute yet from

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Speaker 1: US lawmakers to Moscow over Russia's alleged interference in the

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Speaker 1: U s presidential campaign. So we have been told all

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Speaker 1: this time that Russia was so invested in getting Trump elected.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've been told this by the media, although

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00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: they're they're calming down on this just a bit um,

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00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: we've been told this, and uh, yet where is Russia

552
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: seeing all these benefits from the Trump administration? Nothing? So

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00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: are really I think it's it's been very um illuminating

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Speaker 1: that the previous administration was able to do all kinds

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Speaker 1: of outreach to true rogue states, bad regimes, bad um,

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Speaker 1: bad countries, Cuba, Iran, I mean, bad government's not not

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Speaker 1: the people there, uh, and the media is always running

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Speaker 1: interference for them. But we've been treated to this very

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Speaker 1: consistent narrative of Trump wanting so much to work closely

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Speaker 1: with the Russians, caring so much about the Russians, loving

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Speaker 1: the Russians, wanting to well putin specifically, and I just

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Speaker 1: sometimes want to stop and ask why why should we

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Speaker 1: believe that nothing has happened yet that would make anyone

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Speaker 1: think that the Russians are getting something good out of Trump. Um.

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Speaker 1: But just pass over this, right. I know this is

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Speaker 1: the Senate. They did this today, But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: here's the Senate increasing sanctions. Um. And you know we

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Speaker 1: are punishing Russia for in economic ways for its meddling

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Speaker 1: in our election, and the meddling I don't believe did anything.

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Speaker 1: And now we have set an interesting precedent, by the way,

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Speaker 1: whereby if hackers in a country do something to another

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Speaker 1: country that the other country doesn't like, there can be

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Speaker 1: a response at the nation state level. Right. So if

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Speaker 1: hackers in Country A mess around with the government of

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Speaker 1: Country B, country be's government can punish Country a's government. Um.

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Speaker 1: And that's just that can lead to some very uh

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Speaker 1: frightening places. I think, Um, it hasn't yet, But when

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Speaker 1: cyber war threatens to turn into ward war, we need

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Speaker 1: to be we need to pay very close attention to

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Speaker 1: what's going on, and that will happen at some point

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Speaker 1: there will be cyber incidents that turn into kinetic military incidents. Um.

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Speaker 1: And it's just a matter of time. Bill in Mississippi

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Speaker 1: on w j d X, Hey Bill, what's going on? Man?

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Speaker 1: Uh yo, I'm born to right here in Mississippi. I'm

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Speaker 1: six six years though. Yeah. What the Democrats don't want

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Speaker 1: to tell you this first about is they aren't all

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Speaker 1: the slaves. Democrats were the party of slavery. Yeah, that's well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's that. That is just a matter of history,

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Speaker 1: and and and the segregationists later on, We're we're Democrats, right,

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Speaker 1: so right, and so you are. I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: tach history. It was a Republican president Braham like, yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: the the the the repositioning of the Democrat Party as

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Speaker 1: being as being almost first and foremost concerned with marginalized

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Speaker 1: and minority groups at the top of it's at the

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Speaker 1: top of his agenda is fascinating considering its history of

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Speaker 1: being the primary political oppressor of those groups throughout this

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Speaker 1: year of this country. Bill, thank you for calling in.

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Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, this is not taught in This is

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Speaker 1: not taught in schools. People always they just rushed past it. Um,

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Speaker 1: they never uh well, the narrative that we hear about

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Speaker 1: Russia and Trump, and we were told false narratives in

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Speaker 1: this country, um, by the by the left all the time.

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Speaker 1: Isn't an interesting you can't speaking of false equivalency? Where

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Speaker 1: are the stories about that that are told that are

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Speaker 1: favorable for conservatives? Where are those in the school system

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Speaker 1: and on college campuses that proved to be false later on?

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Speaker 1: You know, where are those, uh, those long running narratives

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Speaker 1: that make Republican were make conservatives of in America look great?

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Speaker 1: And then it turns out that you know, that's actually

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Speaker 1: just that's actually just been been a lie the whole time.

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Speaker 1: It only goes in one direction. Um, so we're gonna

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Speaker 1: I want to I gotta talk to you a bit

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Speaker 1: about the latest in the Special Council Probe and I

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Speaker 1: want to hear your thoughts on everything that's going on.

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Speaker 1: Last twenty four hours eight four four Buck the Freedom

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Speaker 1: The Buck is back. I've been saying for a while,

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Speaker 1: team that the transition from a central narrative in the

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Speaker 1: media of collusion to obstruction would occur, and we would

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Speaker 1: be um in a position where we're supposed to just

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Speaker 1: forget about everything that's happened before this. We're supposed to

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Speaker 1: just pretend that we haven't been told all this time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, now, I think that there's some clarity. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you're in a relationship. Let's step back

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Speaker 1: for a second here. You can't necessarily see the problems

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Speaker 1: I have in my day. Um, definitely saved a few

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Speaker 1: relationships for other people. Um. I think I saved a

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Speaker 1: marriage at one point with my advice, if I may

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Speaker 1: say so. So, I have definitely helped people because it's easier. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I have definitely helped people, have not part pardon me

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Speaker 1: for the the moment of you know, yea buck, But

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Speaker 1: I just mean that it's easier to see the situation

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Speaker 1: from the outside and to be objective about it. Right.

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Speaker 1: This is also white people see a therapist and they'll

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Speaker 1: talk about the situations. Um. But when you see your

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Speaker 1: friends in a relationship, a friend of yours in a

639
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Speaker 1: relationship that's our family member, that's not healthy, not good.

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Speaker 1: You're oftentimes left in a position where you think, why

641
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Speaker 1: can't they see this for what it is? Uh? And

642
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: of course because when you're in it and you're invested

643
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Speaker 1: and your judgment is clouded and all of that. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think that we're seeing more people now perhaps that

645
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Speaker 1: are that are falling away from the core of the

646
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Speaker 1: Russia collusion narrative and see it now for at least

647
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Speaker 1: with regard to Donald Trump, how crazy that is. I

648
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Speaker 1: think that Jeff Sessions was a really important part of

649
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Speaker 1: this whole process too, Meaning they're asking Jeff Sessions questions

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Speaker 1: about talking to Russians. It's like, do you guys really

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Speaker 1: think does anyone really think that Jeff Sessions had some

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Speaker 1: plot with the Russians to hack into eat? I mean,

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Speaker 1: think of the liability, uh, the complete betrayal of everything

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Speaker 1: that guy stood for his whole life. I mean, and

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Speaker 1: for what where are they happy being a senator? I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just it just it just doesn't it doesn't add up, right.

657
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Speaker 1: The motivation, as I've said to you many times, is

658
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Speaker 1: not there. And I think now we're starting to see

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Speaker 1: this and the media is aware of this as well.

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Speaker 1: Right now now the now that some of the fog

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Speaker 1: has lifted here and we can see more clearly what's

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Speaker 1: going on. There's an understanding that oh, okay, yeah, Trump

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Speaker 1: did not have some shady meetings with Russians where he

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Speaker 1: was trying to throw the election or whatever, hacked the election,

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Speaker 1: and whichever term or phrase they like to use. And

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Speaker 1: so what we've seen, of course, is the switch that

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Speaker 1: I knew I knew was going to happen. I said

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Speaker 1: it to you weeks ago, and here we are, from

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Speaker 1: collusion to obstruction, and I just want to play this

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Speaker 1: is This will give you a sense of where we've

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Speaker 1: gone from January to today from the various media outlets

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Speaker 1: out there, Here's how it's been. The president is dealing

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Speaker 1: with this very profoundly important issue, obstruction of justice, potential

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Speaker 1: collusion with the Russians. In FBI is conducting a criminal

675
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Speaker 1: investigation in the potential collusion between Donald Trump's campaign and

676
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Speaker 1: the Russian government, possible collusion and coordination who Trump officials.

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Speaker 1: We're finding it out more and more about the possible collusion.

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Speaker 1: It looks a lot like there was collusion. Not just

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Speaker 1: to investigate Trump Russia collusion. There's probable cause to believe

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Speaker 1: that there was cooperation. What kind of collusion if any

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Speaker 1: there was serious allegations that have been made that there

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Speaker 1: was collusion, evidence of collusion, in collusion with the Russians. Collusion,

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Speaker 1: that's what he's being investigated. You think it's on its face,

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Speaker 1: instruction of justice by the president United States? Yes, obstruction. Pause,

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Speaker 1: So that was all Bernie Sanders and everyone's getting on

686
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Speaker 1: the right. Collusion, collusion, there's collusion. I'm telling you who

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Speaker 1: was colluding? Uh, they're all talking about collusion, and just

688
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Speaker 1: the just the repetition of it, right, the constant restatement

689
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Speaker 1: of even the hypothetical creates a perception in the listener

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Speaker 1: that there must be something there. How can someone talk

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Speaker 1: so much about, by the way, such a major issue, right,

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Speaker 1: a collusion through presidential election? How could someone have that discussion?

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Speaker 1: Um if in fact that wasn't there wasn't something to it, right,

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Speaker 1: just the um the frenzy creates its own level of

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Speaker 1: believability because there are so many different people saying it.

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Speaker 1: There must be something to it, because all of those

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Speaker 1: individuals are on the same basic sheet of music. Clearly

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Speaker 1: there has to be something there, right that that's the

699
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Speaker 1: way that the mind works. It's it's understandable that that's why.

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Speaker 1: But you know this is this is there are multibillion

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Speaker 1: dollar businesses built on this concept, my friends. You know

702
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Speaker 1: it's You may not think that you care about watching

703
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: that paper towel commercial in between you know, football game, whatever,

704
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Speaker 1: but you watch enough and guess what you're in the store,

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Speaker 1: and that's the paper towel you're reaching for. Same with

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Speaker 1: collusion narrative. So that was what it was for for

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Speaker 1: quite a while. And I'm not saying they've completely abandoned it,

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Speaker 1: but now here's a sense of of where it's gone.

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Speaker 1: Oh now we're gonna hear a lot more about obstruction,

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Speaker 1: any possible obstruction case, whether it's obstruction or justice. We

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Speaker 1: now have the obstruction of justice concerns. I think he

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Speaker 1: has laid out the core elements of an obstruction of

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Speaker 1: justice charge. When it comes to something like obstruction, there's

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Speaker 1: a serious legal standard that is obstruction of justice fits

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Speaker 1: the behavior of obstruction. Look at the law with respect

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Speaker 1: to obstruction of justice, but the behavior is obstruction in

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Speaker 1: order to get to the bottom of the obstruction charge,

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Speaker 1: but that points towards obstruction of justice. All right, you

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Speaker 1: get the idea, And I had tip and thanks to

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Speaker 1: the Washington Free Beacon for pointing together that montage of

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Speaker 1: audio clips. Um. Yeah, this is where we are now,

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Speaker 1: the whole investigation. Think about what this means though. I

723
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: know that they're going to talk about a Russia collusion investigation,

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Speaker 1: and we need a full accounting of the hacking of

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Speaker 1: the election, and this is about American democracy and this

726
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: is so important and it's essential. But really they're they're

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Speaker 1: looking for a process crime here, they're looking for obstruction.

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Speaker 1: And you have seen an analyst, Jeffrey Tubin, who is

729
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: already already crowing about this one. So it's a huge deal.

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Speaker 1: And I don't hate to tell you that I told

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Speaker 1: you so. I mean, when you listen to James Comby's

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Speaker 1: testimony about how the president tried to get him to

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Speaker 1: drop the investigation, and then you see that he fired

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Speaker 1: Comy when he didn't drop the investigation, that is evidence

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Speaker 1: of obstruction of justice. Yes, brought to you by the

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Speaker 1: by the people who are defenders of What is the

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Speaker 1: meaning of the word is that depends on the meaning

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Speaker 1: of the word is Bill Clinton? You will recall all

739
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Speaker 1: under oath playing all kinds of word games. Um, Trump

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Speaker 1: did not give an order if if saying I hope

741
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Speaker 1: you can see your way past this. In passing to

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Speaker 1: somebody is now a direct order that you can be

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Speaker 1: held criminally liable for. We are all in a lot

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Speaker 1: of trouble. Um. You know, I can't you think about

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Speaker 1: this in your own life. You know the language that

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Speaker 1: people use. I mentioned the you know, I could just

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Speaker 1: I could just you know, oh that guy, I could

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Speaker 1: just kill him. Um. If you if you're saying that

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Speaker 1: out of frustration, you're talking about like, you know, your brother,

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Speaker 1: because you just spilled milk all over the floor. No

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Speaker 1: one actually thinks you're trying to kill somebody, right, and

752
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be legally responsible for a threat against somebody's life.

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Speaker 1: The context and the intent clearly matters. Oh intent like

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00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: with like with Hillary, Remember intent matters. Um. But people

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00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: are going to see in this one they want to see.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna sit here and and pretend that

757
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: this is open and shut for for Trump. Now that

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00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: this is going forward, obviously there's real legal jeopardy here.

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Speaker 1: You have h Ken Starr, who was the independent council

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Speaker 1: in the Clinton Lewinsky investigation. Kenneth Starr, you remember him.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say about the obstruction of

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Speaker 1: justice charge recently. Obstruction of justice is really a very

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Speaker 1: hard crime to make out. It's not just you want

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Speaker 1: the investigation to go away. You suggest that the investigation

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Speaker 1: goes away. You've got to take really affirmative action. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And Director Comey said in his testimony that even though

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Speaker 1: the expression was hope, he took it as a directive.

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Speaker 1: But what we know is he didn't do anything about it, right,

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Speaker 1: That is, he did not dismiss the investigation or curtail

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Speaker 1: the investigation. There's an expression of hope, so it becomes

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Speaker 1: an interpretation. Uh. And I think it's just a very

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Speaker 1: hard case to make out. And you know, that's a

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Speaker 1: good thing for all of us. Crimes should be difficult

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Speaker 1: to prove. That is one of the most important things

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Speaker 1: I've heard in a long time. We are forgetting that,

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Speaker 1: we're being made to forget that in this country, crime

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Speaker 1: should be a difficult thing to prove. If you're going

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Speaker 1: to prosecute someone, take away their freedom and destroy their

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Speaker 1: reputation and with it, their life, you better be darn sure.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree with the sentiment that you know better

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Speaker 1: A hundred guilty people go through the one innocent person

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Speaker 1: language in prison. I mean, I am very concerned with

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Speaker 1: this mentality we have now whereby you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: the Martha Stewart effect or the Scooter Libby effect. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's not really a crime, and it's not

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Speaker 1: clear that you wanted to commit a crime, and it's

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Speaker 1: not clear that you did anything wrong, and it's not

788
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Speaker 1: clear that any harm happened. But like, let's just get you.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do a little dance in front

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Speaker 1: of the jury and make this happen. Let's let's find

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Speaker 1: a way to convince people because of the authority that

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Speaker 1: they view in in in the state and in a prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: And it all seems very official that the prosecutor says

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Speaker 1: so must be so. Um. But and by the way,

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Speaker 1: I noticed those notice those cases, I mean one of

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Speaker 1: them was Patrick Fitzgerald was the attorney um for the

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Speaker 1: League investigation. The League that was not a leak, by

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Speaker 1: the way, or or or the League that was not

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Speaker 1: the criminal. The League was not criminal, but they investigated

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Speaker 1: it anyway. And then they tried to get Scotter Libya,

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Speaker 1: and they did, and they prosecuted him, and they convicted

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Speaker 1: him of of lying under oath um so about not leaking.

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Speaker 1: That was what they got Scooter Libby for. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: then he had a sentence commuted. He should have been

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Speaker 1: pardoned by Bush. And it is two bushes. It is

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Speaker 1: two Bush's shame that he did not do that in

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Speaker 1: in my estimation, a scooter liver. Scooter Libby absolutely should

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Speaker 1: have been Louis Libby should have been pardoned in that.

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Speaker 1: That was just a fiasco. That was just political payback

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Speaker 1: for the Iraq War and the media and the Bush

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Speaker 1: administration was beaten down. And the Martha Steward thing, I mean,

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Speaker 1: well she went to prison for six months for what

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Speaker 1: that was Comy but he made me remember Comey appointed Fitzgerald,

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Speaker 1: so Comy's hand was behind that. But uh, Comey was

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Speaker 1: directly involved in the Martha Stewart prosecution. And you know

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Speaker 1: for what, by the way, I love this. You had

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Speaker 1: Camille Pollia writing in an interview with The Week or

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Speaker 1: saying an interview the Weekly Standard that quote, Comey is

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Speaker 1: in a feat charlatan and he should have been fired

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Speaker 1: within forty eight hours off either Hillary or Trump taking office.

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Speaker 1: I know she's she's like a pro socialist. Bernie Sanders support.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but she she says some great stuff. This

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Speaker 1: interview is really fantastic by the way. She really nails

824
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Speaker 1: it on a whole bunch of issues. So um, but

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Speaker 1: this is at that point that Ken Sarman, you better

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Speaker 1: be darn sure about a crime. I mean, it's not

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Speaker 1: just tie goes to the defendant. It should be if

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Speaker 1: there is any Look, the standard is reasonable doubt, right

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Speaker 1: or beyond a reasonable doubt? So is it beyond a

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Speaker 1: reasonable doubt? That's saying I hope you can see your

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Speaker 1: way past this is a criminal intent to is criminal

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Speaker 1: intent to order the end of an investigation? Of course not?

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Speaker 1: But you know, can you construe it in some way?

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Speaker 1: Can can you find some intellectual mental gymnastics? Can you

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Speaker 1: twist into a pretzel and say, yeah, well, you know

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Speaker 1: that's hope and he's the president, and I hope it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like an order. Sure, But as I said before,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to live in a country where an

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Speaker 1: offhand comment that has no effect, no impact, and was

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Speaker 1: not intended to have either of those things, and was

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Speaker 1: said with without men's ray, which is why I asked

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Speaker 1: Senator rouand Paul about this. A criminal state of mind.

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Speaker 1: This really does matter. And that's why I get a

844
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Speaker 1: little tense with people, or not with people, but tense

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Speaker 1: with the argument, Oh, Hillary, it didn't matter that she

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Speaker 1: didn't have criminal intent. It didn't matter because she was

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Speaker 1: reckless if it had been one or two or three emails,

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Speaker 1: even you know, you make a case that there was

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Speaker 1: no intent, and you know that that should factor into

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Speaker 1: over a hundred I mean, you're you just don't care. Right,

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00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: recklessnesses or negligence, the same same idea, same basic concept.

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Speaker 1: But you need to have one of those things to

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Speaker 1: be a criminal. Right. You can't be acting in a

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00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: way that a normal person under those circumstances might be

855
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: acting without thinking they're doing anything wrong. Um. And and

856
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: it should be it should be hard to prove a

857
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: crime if you should not be finding ways, uh, finding

858
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Speaker 1: ways to turn people into criminals. And I just find

859
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: the current circumstance of fighting out a political fighting a

860
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: political battle through criminal proceedings is very troubling. And you

861
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: know I told them that they shouldn't do the special

862
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: process or of the special counsel thing. I mean when

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00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: I told them, I've been saying this, um because the

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Speaker 1: Fitzgerald investigation with Scooter Libby, and you know, Karl Rove

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Speaker 1: wrote about it in the Wall Street Journal. I mean

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00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: that was just a travesty. That was just you know,

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00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: it was so clear what was going on there. And

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00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: that's going to happen again. They're they're going to get someone.

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00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: They're gonna find some Trump associate, some person who is

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00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: just caught up in it. And I know you said

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Speaker 1: old book, well, you know we lie under oath. I

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00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: mean you got to go to prison for that. Yeah.

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00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: How many hours of interrogation and most people think they

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00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: would manage with the FBI asked them questions before they

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00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: might they might just shade the truth just a little bit.

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00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: They might just I don't really want to admit that

877
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: for the record. And then they've got you and they know,

878
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, they can ask you whatever questions they want.

879
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: And this is why my you know, friends of mine

880
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: who were uh, they're playing the music, I've gotta stop.

881
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: But friends of mine who are like former FBI will

882
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: tell you, don't talk to the FBI ever. Don't talk

883
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: to them, lawyer president only do you not discussed, do

884
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: not have a conversation, do not you know, try to

885
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: get yourself out of it because it does not it

886
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: does not work to your favorite Alright, alright, I know

887
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: I gotta get into break your buck everybody. I promise

888
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: we will switch up topics. We've got a lot more coming.

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00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: Stay with me, Evelyn or North Carolina. W P T

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Speaker 1: I what have you got? Hi? How are you tonight?

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00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm all right? Thank oh man, you know I'm a

892
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm I might being grouchy today. I hope I'm not

893
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: being grouchy. Evelyn, No, you're not. I listened to you

894
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: every night, Thank you. But let me You know, these

895
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: callers that you had, especially the argument of one about

896
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: maybe an hour or so ago, I attribute Sam two

897
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: uninformed voters who are listening to biased media and taking

898
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: it as the truth, and then they believe all this

899
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:09,959
Speaker 1: stuff instead of really trying to become more informed. Now,

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00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: the thing is, um, I just don't know. I don't

901
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: know if anything's ever gonna happen, but I think that

902
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: they're so riled up and they're so into this, uh

903
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: you know, um impeachment of our president. The Democrats and

904
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: left wings are left wingers are trying to just distract

905
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: him from putting on his agenda and getting nothing done

906
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: so that he could they could say he's a failure,

907
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: which is so wrong. And now the other thing is

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00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: I just heard today UM that they were trying to

909
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: either put forth um a law or they're just trying

910
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: to prove that President Trump has taken money from the Russians.

911
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: Well what about Hillary Clinton selling of our uranium to

912
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: Russia and getting all the bill got a check from

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00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: the Russians for five dollars from a Russian state bank?

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00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: Would that happened for a speech? So yeah, yeah, I know.

915
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: But but but but corruption that affects democrats, evel and

916
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: that's the good kind of corruption, you know, that's the

917
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: that's what keeps us safe and warm at night. I'm

918
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: so tired of this one sided stuff, and our uninformed

919
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: voters better know what's happening and and get more reguicated

920
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: about this whole UH scam and this whole system, because

921
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: they're not thinking that for every freedom you lose, and

922
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, these left wingers want to take away many

923
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: of our freedoms into a socialistic UH tie of government

924
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: that every free date or entitlement they get, they're giving

925
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: up a freedom. And they better realize that before it's

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00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: too late. Age. Evan. Are you originally from the Northeast. Yeah,

927
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm from upstate New York in the Catskill Mountains there.

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00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: I thought I thought you might be a fellow New Yorker.

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00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: I I could pick up some some New York there, Evan.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you call in Shields High. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Um eight four four nine to eight to

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Speaker 1: five eight four hundred Buck. Uh, we are going to

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Speaker 1: talk about I know. See, we're not just gonna go

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Speaker 1: Trump Rush inclusion, bah bah bah, Trump is great whatever. Um.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about this plan for apprenticeships,

936
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 1: which I think is is interesting. Uh. That's a constructive

937
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: thing that we can talk about and the way that

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00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: labor is changing and internships and how people get jobs

939
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I find all that stuff very

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00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: interesting and I think about it a lot. So we'll

941
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: talk about apprentice ships from the guy who is famous

942
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: for having a show called The Apprentice. Well, we've got

943
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: that and more coming up. Stay with me. The Freedom

944
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Speaker 1: Hunt rocks online too. You can hang out with Team

945
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Speaker 1: Go to buck Sexton dot com. That's buck Sexton dot com.

947
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Speaker 1: The Buck is back We're here today to celebrate the

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Speaker 1: dignity of work. It's really good term dignity of work

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Speaker 1: and the greatness of the American worker, which I've been

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Speaker 1: celebrating for a long time. Probably wouldn't be here if

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Speaker 1: it weren't for the American worker, and the American worker

952
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: sees what's happening in Michigan and in Ohio and a

953
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: lot of places that we've had a huge impact on

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00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: just in a short period of time. We have a

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00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: lot of companies moving in, a lot of plants are

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00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: going to be built, a lot of plans are being expanded,

957
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: and big ones are going to be announced very soon.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hear some very big names that I can't

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Speaker 1: tell you about now. We want to get them signed

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00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: on the dotted line. We don't want to talk too quickly.

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Speaker 1: It's called sign them on the dotted line. Right. In

962
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: just a few moments, I'll be signing an executive order

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00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: to expand apprenticeships and vocational training to help all Americans

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Speaker 1: find a rewarding career, earn a great living, and support

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Speaker 1: themselves and their families and love going to work in

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00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: the morning. This is an essential conversation to be having

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00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: in this country right now. It's a major area of

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00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: policy that I think doesn't get nearly enough attention. How

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00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: how do you get the job, the kind of job

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00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: you want, what kind of training do you need? Um,

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00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: the four year college degree as a panacea, as the

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00:59:54,800 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: as the cure all for the you for getting a job, job, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that I think people have realized is

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01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: not sufficient. That's not going to do it. There is

975
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: a trillion dollar student loan debt bubble out there right now.

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01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: People have taken on too much debt in order to

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Speaker 1: get degrees that in many cases are not worth what

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01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: they thought they would be. This is a pretty straightforward

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01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: supply and demand issue. If six of the population is

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01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: getting and I'm I'm making up these numbers, by the way,

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01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if the top of my head, but

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Speaker 1: if sixty of the population is getting a four year

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01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: degree now, but fifty percent of the population or was

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01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: getting a degree for your degree ten years ago, you

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01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: know it's it's not worth as much now because there

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01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 1: are more people with it. UM and we do have

987
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: a record numbers of undergraduate degrees now. And look, that's

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01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: not to say people shouldn't go to college. I went

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Speaker 1: to college. I think that in many cases, and perhaps

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01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: even most cases, it's it's the best avenue. But what

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01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: about different versions of college, what about different programs? What

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01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: about adding training into the college experience that would allow

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01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: you to go do a job on day one. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is where apprenticeships versus internships come to mind. I

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01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: don't know how it happened this way, but for for

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01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,959
Speaker 1: a while it was all the rage. I know people

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01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: still do it, but these unpaid internships at these companies,

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01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: and I did a number of them, unpaid internships have

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Speaker 1: become some right of passage and for a lot of

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Speaker 1: people in at least in corporate America, and I just

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01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: think it's a lot of the time, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: waste of time, and it's exploitative and people they know

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Speaker 1: and look, I know, it depends, right, some internships they

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01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: have a really established program and everything, but a lot

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01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: of places use it for free clerical labor. That's just

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Speaker 1: the truth. I'm sure they're fantastic, you know, they're fantastic internships.

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01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: I did a couple of internships at think tanks, but

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01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: they paid, and when you're paid intern you're paid, so

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01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't a lot of money, but they are giving

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Speaker 1: you it was money. To me, it mattered, uh, and

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01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: it made me feel like my work was valued and

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Speaker 1: it also was reflected, I think in in the care

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01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:13,479
Speaker 1: and effort I put into things. But I am still

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01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: amazed that to this day, I never was even offered

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Speaker 1: a class in in basic finance or if you live

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01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:26,479
Speaker 1: in certain parts of New York City, finance. I've I've

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01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: never been taught any of those skills. I was never

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01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: even given the opportunity to learn an applicable professional skill

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Speaker 1: other than you know, math science, a basic liberal arts education,

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Speaker 1: which I do think is important and has it certainly

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01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: has a very has paid some dividends. I'm I'm one

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Speaker 1: of those rare, rare dudes who majored in political science

1023
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: and actually works in politics in some capacity doing political commentary.

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01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: So there you go. Who would have thought political science

1025
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: degree that was actually useful? Um, never mind my time

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01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: working for the government itself. So apprenticeships are what the

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Speaker 1: president is looking at expanding now. And these are usually

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Speaker 1: programs where somebody works at a company and they get

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Speaker 1: on the job training and they make some money and

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Speaker 1: then there are a great fit for the job later

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Speaker 1: and maybe you're in school while you're doing it, or

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Speaker 1: maybe you're just doing the apprenticeship. But I think this

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01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: is a much better, a much better model. Uh. The

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01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: executive order, by the way, that Trump signed that I

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01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: will double the amount of money that's out there for

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Speaker 1: apprenticeship programs. It's at about ninety million dollars you now

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Speaker 1: it's gonna go to two hundred million dollars a year. Um.

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Speaker 1: But the president, his critics are pointing out that he's

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Speaker 1: gonna try to impose based on his budget, which is

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Speaker 1: again a policy wish list, not actually a budget that's

1041
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: gonna go through. But he wanted to cut a thirty

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Speaker 1: cut to Labor department job training programs. Uh. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how successful those Labor department job training programs are.

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01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: My guess is that they are not particularly successful, otherwise

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Speaker 1: Trump wouldn't want to cut them. Um. I'm sure there's

1046
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: a lot of waste and probably very there's they're very ineffective.

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Speaker 1: But apprenticeships, I think are a good a good approach

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Speaker 1: to how people can get jobs in the future and

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: also retraining one of the hardest things. As we look

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Speaker 1: at the employment numbers right now, we keep seeing that

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Speaker 1: there's a large number of people that are out of

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Speaker 1: the workforce, that are of working age, which is a

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Speaker 1: very concerning figure. I know that when it was you know,

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Speaker 1: Obama in office, of course, all of his supporters were

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Speaker 1: pointing at the unemployment rate, and there's still some of

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Speaker 1: that going on now with Trump. The unemployment rate is

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Speaker 1: is what sub five per centiment. It's incredibly low. Um.

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Speaker 1: But the way that they gauge unemployment is not really

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Speaker 1: a great way of estimating the health of the health

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Speaker 1: of the certainly healthy the overall economy, but also the

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01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: ease with which one can get a job commensurate with

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01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: one skill set right now, and and pay that is

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01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: what one is looking for. That's becoming harder, that's becoming

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Speaker 1: more difficult. I think in a lot of ways, we're

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01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: also seeing technology transition out a lot of jobs. I

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01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: know a lot of you are kind of like, well, Buck,

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01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: that's a pretty niche market, um, And it is, but

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Speaker 1: it's obviously very highly, very highly paid. Uh. You're seeing

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01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: Wall Street financial services are now starting to suffer more

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Speaker 1: from originally it was just brokers. Right, you can get

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Speaker 1: an e trade account and therefore you don't have to

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Speaker 1: pay a broker to do the transaction for you anymore

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Speaker 1: in Wall Street. UM. But now even act what they

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Speaker 1: call active management, where you pay somebody to help you

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Speaker 1: make investments, UM, that is being replaced increasingly by algorithms.

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Speaker 1: So you just have a mathematical algorithm that makes changes

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01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: based on where the market's going, and it tries to

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01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: get the maximum return for you. So and you think

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Speaker 1: of how many people make a living in financial services,

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01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: a very handsome living at that. And you know this

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01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: is we are entering decades here where you're gonna see

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01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: whole industries that are more or less eliminated or changed

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01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: so dramatically that the skill set that was useful today

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01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: won't be there or won't be what you use in

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Speaker 1: a matter of a few years. I don't know exactly

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01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: how long just yet. But apprenticeship programs or I think,

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01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 1: a good way, a good way to try something new.

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01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: A Commis Department report, according to the Wall Street Journal,

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01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: found that apprenticeships cost companies between twenty five thousand and

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01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: two or fifty thousand dollars a year, but the return

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01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: on the investment is strong for employers because graduates of

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01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: apprenticeship programs have less turnover, so there's an upfront cost

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01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: to be sure, and companies bear those costs. But then

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01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: they have employees that fit the job role well, and

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01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: they have people in place who know exactly what they're

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01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: doing from day one once they're brought on in a

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Speaker 1: full time capacity. You know, I'm an advocate for rethinking

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01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: a lot of how our current structure that the way

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01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: it's supposed to go now. And I don't know some

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Speaker 1: of you imparts of the country where there's a lot

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01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: of homeschooling and things are a little different, but the

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01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: way it goes now, at least in the coastal elite

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01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: places where you know, everyone's drinking beat root and I

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01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: think it's beat root macha is what they is? That

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01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: is that the Yeah, I think it's beat root macha

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01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: or just green tea matcha, I know is a thing,

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01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: also latte, but I think beat root macha latte is

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01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: a thing now as well. Is you're supposed to go

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Speaker 1: to school, um, obviously grammar school or primary school. I

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01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: don't know what the difference is. I think people just

1111
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: use the terms interchangeably, and then high school and then

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Speaker 1: a four year college and then for certain fields you

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01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: need an advanced degree. On top of that, I think

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Speaker 1: we should. Uh. First of all, I'm always encouraging people

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01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: at a younger age to work for a wage. See

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01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: what it is to do a job, that to show

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01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,959
Speaker 1: up at a place and I have responsibilities and take

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01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: orders and then get money afterwards. And then see what

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01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: that I see how far that money goes? And you

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Speaker 1: have a new appreciation for I know I sound like

1121
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: some you know, oh you know kids these days, But

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01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: I wish I had. I mean, I tutored in high

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01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: school to make money. I did some of these things,

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01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: but um, I wish I had done more of that,

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01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: and I wish I had started financial planning at about

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01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: eighteen and and had some training in this I had.

1127
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: I had no idea, none at all. And would I

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Speaker 1: have gone to be a welder? No, and my friends

1129
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: would laugh right now. Actual I'm not particularly good with

1130
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: my you know, with technology or with building things. But

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01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: what I have liked to have had opportunities perhaps along

1132
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: the way, not just to read you know, Shakespeare and

1133
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: Milton and Dante and uh, you know, learn whatever level

1134
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 1: of math I learned, which was not very high, but

1135
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: also to have gotten some trade skills I think that

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01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: would have been an option that I would have liked

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01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: to have had, especially around uh college age. But this,

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01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: this needs a new thinking, It needs new money, It

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01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: needs a new approach because right now people are just

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01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: you know, we're all hanging onto the jobs were in

1141
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: and we realize that switching is very difficult. You're gonna

1142
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: take a pay cut. Usually it's an uncertain job market

1143
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: out there, but staying in a job in an industry

1144
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: that's slowly fading away, if not outright dying is also

1145
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: creates its own anxieties. And that's and people talking about

1146
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: wages not rising. And and this ties into Trump is

1147
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: um I think this is what Trump speaks to he

1148
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: he sees this. I mean, yeah, he's a billionaire, he's

1149
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 1: a famous TV guy, and he had a lot of money,

1150
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: and I get all that, but he does have a

1151
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: level of interaction, like I tell you this, and it's

1152
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: something something we should all keep in mind. Donald Trump

1153
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: has had a lot more meaningful interaction with people who

1154
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 1: in a professional setting not gonna like, oh I'm gonna

1155
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: hear you out because I'm a politician setting. He's had

1156
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: a lot more of of interaction with the people who

1157
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: make a living with their hands, who make a living

1158
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: by the hour, and who are working very hard under

1159
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: difficult conditions and sometimes dangerous conditions. Then uh, you know

1160
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 1: a lot of these politicians, all these democrats, I see

1161
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: they're talking a big game about social justice. And you

1162
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: know Elizabeth Warren's of the world. Oh does Elizabeth Warren

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01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: relationship been a lot of time around blue collar workers

1164
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: that at Harvard Law School, and you know, I mean,

1165
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: give me a break. Um. Anyway, So I think the

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Speaker 1: Apprenticeship Executive Order is the start of a conversation. It's

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Speaker 1: not gonna change the world. It's not gonna change American

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01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: American economy that much, but it's it's moving in the

1169
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: right direction. I think people should probably also work for

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01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: a year or two before they go to college, and

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01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: that should be standard. They do expect that for some

1172
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: graduate programs now, like before you get an MBA, they

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01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: usually want you to have worked for I think three

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01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: to five years is the sweet spot. Three or four

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01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: years is where they usually get people. Um, that's a

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01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 1: that's a better model than than what we currently have

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Speaker 1: with just people run off into college right away and

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01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: then run up into grad school right away. I actually

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01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: saw last night. Uh, someone who have become friendly with

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01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: who has I think to advanced degrees and is it's

1181
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: completely honorable profession. It's fine, but he is working as

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01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: a as a bartender slash barista. Two advanced degrees. They'll

1183
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: paying those off. That's not not easy to do. So, apprenticeships,

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01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: the workplace labor, getting paid for your time. These are

1185
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: all concepts that we need to revisit because unfortunately, you

1186
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: know not, not everybody can be an Instagram star and

1187
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: just get like a five thousand dollars a post. You

1188
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: know not not everybody. Uh not everybody can write the

1189
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: next great American novel. All right, we're gonna head a break.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back, team, stay, We'll take some calls.

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01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: Stay with me. Got Tim in Wisconsin on the line.

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01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:58,640
Speaker 1: What's up, Tim, Hey buddy, how you doing? And not

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01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: too bad? Um? I was just gonna comments. You're talking

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01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: about kids, uh working before they go to college, and

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01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely correct. I mean, not having that

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01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: real life work experience and earning money. You have no

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01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: idea what you want to do at eighteen. I mean

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Speaker 1: I sure didn't when I went to college. Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: I had had to show up for not you know,

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01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 1: nine to five somewhere get a paycheck for a year

1201
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: or two before somebody then told me, Okay, you don't

1202
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: have to do that anymore. Now we're going to send

1203
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: you away with you know, to a to a co

1204
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: ed environment for four years where all you have to

1205
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: do is learn about stuff that you want to learn

1206
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: about and hang out with people your own age. I

1207
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: mean I would have I would have appreciated it even more.

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01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: I mean I had a good college experience, but I

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01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: would have appreciated even more. And honestly, I would have

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01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: applied myself, I think even more than I did. Well, yeah, exactly,

1211
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: And I think I think a lot of people probably

1212
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: would maybe stopped going into some of those fields where

1213
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 1: there's no job available for them when they it out

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01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: of school, you know, having had to have a real

1215
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: job and see what's out there. Yeah, I mean this

1216
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: is people are convinced that you're you know, why do

1217
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: you major in something? Well, major supposed to be a specialization.

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01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: If you're major is in something that you have no

1219
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: intention of using when you graduate, why are you you know,

1220
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: we kind of get into this, you know, at what

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01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: point does your course of study is itself indulgent, you

1222
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Tim? Yeah, I mean you tell me,

1223
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 1: how many people do you know that they have a

1224
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: degree in something and they're working in a field. I mean,

1225
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: I went to a liberal arts college, so most people

1226
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: I know who had you know, they got degrees and

1227
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: like they got degrees in women's and gender studies and

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01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: sociology and anthropology, and you know, I don't know a

1229
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: lot of anthropologists. I'll tell you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So thanks, thanks for calling in, Tim Shields Hime Mac

1231
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: in Texas. What's up? Mac? Shield Time? Shield Time? Mac?

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01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: A couple of things. Well, I've been listening to you

1233
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: on the phone on hold, and it's something you might

1234
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 1: want to look into. The Government Accountability Office has admitted

1235
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: that they do not track the effectiveness of either pell

1236
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: grants or student loans. In other words, how many of

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01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: these things are actually leading to getting a degree and

1238
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: they don't track that stuff, so they have no idea

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01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: what the effectiveness is. In fact, I had a friend

1240
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: whose college roommates used her PELL grant money for breast

1241
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: augmentation surgery. But that is not why I wanted to call.

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01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: I wanted. I wanted, Yeah, this is something you need

1243
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 1: to look into. But uh, I don't want you to

1244
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: to speculate on the air, if you don't mind about

1245
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: if if there really was a crime of collusion or

1246
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: interference in our election, where is the scene of the crime. Well,

1247
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: the only scene of the crime that we know of

1248
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 1: is the Democrat National Committee. And so why can't Congress

1249
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:02,839
Speaker 1: subpoena the servers from the Democratic National Committee to then

1250
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: examine them and find out what exactly happened? If anything?

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01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: I think that's an excellent I think that's an excellent question,

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01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: and a and a very a very good point. This

1253
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: all right now we're all relying on analysis from the

1254
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: intelligence community that was made public before the election as

1255
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: the be all and end all here, uh about Russia

1256
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: intrusion and Russian you know, not collision, but the Russian

1257
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: intrusion into the election. Um, I think that we should

1258
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: we should have a public accounting of what happened there.

1259
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 1: And I know it's complicated and there's probably a lot

1260
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: of technical, technical stuff involved that someone like me would

1261
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: not understand. But well then make us understand it, you know.

1262
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: But I'm with you, Mack. There needs to be a

1263
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: lot more transparency about what would on here because that

1264
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 1: would answer a lot of the questions, and I think

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01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: it would call a lot of the accusations, and and hey,

1266
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: it might even get people to be a little more

1267
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 1: civil to one another in political discourse if we had

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01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: facts to work with instead of just supposition all the time. Um,

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Speaker 1: but Mac, thank you very much for for colling in

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Speaker 1: and raising a very interesting point. Yeah, I'd like to

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Speaker 1: know what's on those servers for sure. I think that's

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Speaker 1: well worth it. Um next hour, planning to talk to

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Speaker 1: you about a new treatment for PTSD that is just

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Speaker 1: getting under way that I think is really interesting and

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Speaker 1: also gonna bring you, uh freaking up to speed with

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Speaker 1: the latest on Hillary Clinton what she's been saying. She

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Speaker 1: compares herself to wonder woman. You're gonna want to hang

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Speaker 1: out for that. And also Facebook is trying to get

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Speaker 1: extremism off of people's pages. That's gonna lead to some

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Speaker 1: unintended consequences. I've got a lot more to stay with me.

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Speaker 1: The Freedom Hunt rocks online too. You can hang out

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Speaker 1: with Team Buck anytime. Plus Buck's latest news and analysis.

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Speaker 1: Go to buck Sexton dot com buck Sexton dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's buck Sexton dot com. Shields High. Please to see

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Speaker 1: that the Congressional baseball game, charity game is underway, and

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Speaker 1: there were some signs of unity on the field. I

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Speaker 1: believe they knelt in prayer at a second base from

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Speaker 1: what I see here. Um, And so that's good. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that there is a coming together that's occurring in

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Speaker 1: that way between members of Congress. And I'm still just

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Speaker 1: thinking and going to be looking for more updates on

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Speaker 1: whether or not, well, whether we have any updates on

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Speaker 1: Representative Schleez. I think we need to be taking a

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Speaker 1: we'll take a look at that over the course the

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Speaker 1: next hour or so, make sure we see what's going

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Speaker 1: on there. We're praying for him and hoping that he

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Speaker 1: pulls through and makes a full and total recovery. So

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Speaker 1: our thoughts and prayers are with him. Now I have

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Speaker 1: to turn to a guest. It's a very important issue

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Speaker 1: and an interesting question PTSD and can a single injection

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Speaker 1: conquer post traumatic stress disorder? Well, this is something the

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Speaker 1: military's looking into, and we have somebody who can tell

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Speaker 1: us quite a bit about it. Right now, we're joined

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Speaker 1: by Christine ray Olmstead. She's a research epidemiologist at r

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Speaker 1: T I International, which is a nonprofit research organization the

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Speaker 1: Army has hired to conduct a new study into a

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Speaker 1: single shot that could cure PTSD. Christine, and I know

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Speaker 1: you have fifteen years of research experience involving the military

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Speaker 1: focus on mental health and your co principal investigator of this.

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Speaker 1: So hard to find a better person to discuss this.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us, Thanks for having me Buck,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it all right, So, in the simplest terms possible,

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Speaker 1: please walk us through how a single shot could help

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Speaker 1: conquer post traumatic stress disorder. Well, the the correct answer

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Speaker 1: is we don't know. Uh, we don't know whether it works.

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Speaker 1: There's very strong anecdotal evidence indicating that it does. However,

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Speaker 1: the study that we're conducting is geared towards showing just that,

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Speaker 1: so we're hopeful. And what would be the what's the

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Speaker 1: mechanism here? I know that it involves a stellate ganglion block.

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Speaker 1: What is that and what has it been used for

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Speaker 1: in the past. It's an injection of a short acting, uh,

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Speaker 1: local anesthetic. So a lot of people think about something

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Speaker 1: like novocane at the dentist. The actual medication is called

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Speaker 1: ropivocane and it's injection and injected UM in the right

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Speaker 1: side of the neck into what's called the stellate ganglian,

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Speaker 1: which you mentioned. The stellate ganglian is sort of a

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Speaker 1: switching center, if you will, for the fight or flight

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Speaker 1: portion of the nervous system. So the current thinking is

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Speaker 1: that somehow the anesthetic briefly resets that portion of the

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Speaker 1: nervous system, even long after the six to eight hours

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Speaker 1: after the injection when the medication has worn off. So

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Speaker 1: in recent years there have been some doctors in the

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Speaker 1: military who have been have been using this to try

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Speaker 1: and treat PTSD, so we know it's it's a safe

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Speaker 1: I mean, these ganglion stelli ganglion block shots are safe.

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Speaker 1: They've there as you said, they're used for other things,

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Speaker 1: but they've been using them with Navy seals, Army green Berets,

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Speaker 1: people from the special operations community. Because the shots can

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Speaker 1: interrupt the fight or flight response. How does that work

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Speaker 1: or how could it work? They there are there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of hypotheses, and I'm not a physician, so

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Speaker 1: I'm not able to comment on that. Um. You're absolutely

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Speaker 1: correct though that the interview excuse me, the interruption of

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Speaker 1: the fight or flight response is ten Brewery and the idea,

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Speaker 1: the current thinking is that it allows the sympathetic nervous

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Speaker 1: system to reset itself to take care of some of

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Speaker 1: the physiological PTSD symptoms like sweating and anxiety and some

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Speaker 1: of some of those things. And there's been some early

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Speaker 1: clinical experience with this. What what have what have been

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Speaker 1: the early results that you've been able to see from

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Speaker 1: trying to use a shot to help treat PTSD. We

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Speaker 1: haven't analyzed our data yet, but I can tell you

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Speaker 1: from the anecdotal evidence published in the literature as well

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Speaker 1: as conversations with my army colleagues, there is very strong

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Speaker 1: anecdotal evidence to suggest that the treatment is effective. Now,

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Speaker 1: what that means is that there haven't been any control

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Speaker 1: groups to date, so all that have been examined are

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Speaker 1: people who have gotten the shot. There haven't been any,

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Speaker 1: uh research studies where there was a control group, and

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Speaker 1: placebo effect is a tremendous issue with this sort of

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Speaker 1: a treatment, so it's important for that studies like this

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Speaker 1: to go forward. And currently, what are what are the numbers?

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Speaker 1: And we're talking about veterans who are suffering from PTSD.

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Speaker 1: Do we have a sense of the percentage of those

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Speaker 1: or and the diagnoses overall numbers. How widespread a problem

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Speaker 1: is post traumatic stress disorder, It's it's pretty significant, book UM.

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Speaker 1: An estimated of active duty service members at any given

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Speaker 1: time has PTSD. In the general population, the estimate is

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Speaker 1: that nine percent of people will experience PTSD by the

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Speaker 1: age of seventy five, so it's quite prevalent, um, and

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Speaker 1: it's a problem that everybody is quite concerned about, and

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Speaker 1: rightfully so, do you feel like or can you comment

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Speaker 1: on whether Congress is paying enough attention to that specifically

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Speaker 1: as an issue with regard to funding for research and appropriations.

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Speaker 1: It's an excellent question, and I'm a researcher, so I

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Speaker 1: will are we always argue for more funding? Um, They

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Speaker 1: are acutely aware of it, and there is a tremendous

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Speaker 1: amount of money that has been earmarked toward PTSD and

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Speaker 1: other health issues in active duty service members, but I

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Speaker 1: would always argue that more would be better, all right.

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Speaker 1: Christine ray Olmstead, she's a research epidemiologist at r t

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Speaker 1: I International. Christine, thank you so much for joining. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate it much appreciated. Buck. This would be really quite

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Speaker 1: a quite a breakthrough assuming that this is proven to

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Speaker 1: be a treatment, that is it is it would be

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Speaker 1: a layer treatment or or a staged treatment as I

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Speaker 1: understand it having read a bit about it. UM So,

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Speaker 1: what it does is it can get past that initial

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Speaker 1: UM the hyper vigilance and anxiety and the symptomatic the

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Speaker 1: symptoms of of postraumatic stress disorder and quiet them for

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Speaker 1: a long enough period that the more traditional methods of

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Speaker 1: dealing with mental mental health issues like um S, SR EYES,

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Speaker 1: selective selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, and also different UH talk

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Speaker 1: therapy methods, cognitive therapy is often what it's referred to

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Speaker 1: that those can be more effective because it's like calming down.

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Speaker 1: It's it's almost like uh, as I see it, and look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not an expert, but I was reading about it,

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Speaker 1: it's like they want to uh stop the the the

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Speaker 1: trauma in the brain long enough to really try and

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Speaker 1: patch it up. But it's almost like stopping the bleeding

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Speaker 1: in a sense. It's stopping the UM the acute phase

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Speaker 1: of the symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder, and then

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Speaker 1: allowing for other for the additional treatments to be more successful.

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Speaker 1: At least that's what I was seeing here in this piece.

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Speaker 1: You know, the mind this is a is fascinating, and

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Speaker 1: the combinate or the connection between mental health and physical health,

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Speaker 1: I think is also and this is now a bit

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Speaker 1: of a digression from the specific talk about PTSD, and

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Speaker 1: as many of you know, post traumatic stress disorder is

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Speaker 1: most associated in the public in the public consciousness with

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Speaker 1: the military because of the extreme circumstances members of military

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Speaker 1: find themselves in when they are serving um But you

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Speaker 1: can suffer PTSD from a terrible car accident or any

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01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 1: any number of traumash and and trauma leaves its mark

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Speaker 1: on the brain in ways that increasingly they're they're able

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01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: to map this out and they can see that that

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Speaker 1: this is that the way that the neurotransmitters are interacting

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Speaker 1: with each other. These are biochemical processes, which is good

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Speaker 1: for people to know and to hear more about because

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Speaker 1: the more that mental health issue are really understood by

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Speaker 1: the public as in fact a health issue, meaning that

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Speaker 1: it's not oh feel better, oh just you should be

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Speaker 1: in a better mood, you should you should just be

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Speaker 1: able to handle this, more people understand that that that's

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Speaker 1: similar when you're talking about certain kinds of mental health issues.

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Speaker 1: If you're dealing with somebody who has bipolarity or um

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Speaker 1: obsessive compulsive disorder, telling them to just let it go

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Speaker 1: would be similar in a sense to telling somebody who

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Speaker 1: is sitting there and and you know, coughing terribly because

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01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: their their lungs have fluid in them because they have

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Speaker 1: you know, pneumonia, Well you know, don't stop stop coughing. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's it's not helpful because it is based on a

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Speaker 1: bio a biochemical process, and and all the evidence is

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Speaker 1: pointing more and more in this direction, which I think

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Speaker 1: is encouraging because then the public recognizes mental health as

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Speaker 1: as a health issue and not just yeah. I mean

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Speaker 1: you look at the way that mental health issues were

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Speaker 1: uh pushed underground and swept under the rug and pushed

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Speaker 1: aside even until recent decades um. And what you see,

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Speaker 1: and I see this among even my peer group, is

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01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: that that you can either choose to tackle these issues

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Speaker 1: in a constructive, medically sound way, or you can try

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01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 1: to hide from the promle mental health issues is when

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01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: you if you try to hide or you try to

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Speaker 1: mask them, which is very common as well. And I

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Speaker 1: have to say that in my experience of friends and

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Speaker 1: including those who have served, and just those who have

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Speaker 1: mental health issues who have never been anywhere near the military. Um,

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Speaker 1: it is common for people to mask with alcohol. That's

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Speaker 1: that's one of the most common ways that it has done,

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01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 1: because it's really anesthetizing the pain and the anxiety of

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01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 1: having the mental health issue to to grapple with. And

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01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: so any anytime I see something like this where they're

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01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: expmenting with a new therapy that can really help people.

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01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: Because she's she mentioned in general population close to ten

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Speaker 1: percent while PTSD and it's whatever it is officially in

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Speaker 1: the military, my guests would be it's probably even a

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Speaker 1: little higher than that in reality, just because it's probably

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01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 1: it's most likely underdiagnosed, as most mental health issues are.

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Speaker 1: Whatever they can do to to help people and get

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Speaker 1: them back to feeling feeling good because the mind body connection,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not a doctor, but I'm somebody who spends

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Speaker 1: a lot of time trying to learn about health and wellness,

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01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 1: and the mind body connection is getting stronger every year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the more research you see, the more there's

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Speaker 1: a recognition that mental health and all the other physical

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Speaker 1: processes that are going on are are linked very very closely.

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Speaker 1: So Anyway, that's the I just wanted to share that

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Speaker 1: with you, This injection that might be very helpful with

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Speaker 1: those with PTSD. It's a Wall Street Journal article. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and the injection is called Stella a Ganglion Block. So

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Speaker 1: with that team, I'm gonna head into a quick break here.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Facebook and extremism and counter

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Speaker 1: terrorism via censoring posts on the web. And I'm more

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Speaker 1: coming up. Holl youre at that al right, everybody, We've

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Speaker 1: got to our friend Guy Benson on the line. He

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Speaker 1: is town hall dot COM's political editor. He's also a

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Speaker 1: Fox News contributor. Mr Benson, Good to have you, Mr Sexton,

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Speaker 1: how are you good? Uh? So, I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about your piece up on town hall dot com that

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Speaker 1: Trump firing Mueller isn't happening unless Trump is really guilty

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Speaker 1: or has a political death wish. Uh tend tend to agree.

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Speaker 1: I think that if if Trump was using this as

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Speaker 1: a tribalon, it was to test the outer limits of

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Speaker 1: what is possible even in a Trump tastic world. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because The New York Times reported after

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Speaker 1: that Peace came out that his aids, Trump's aids have

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01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:10,839
Speaker 1: been arguing vehemently against the notion of him firing Mueller,

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Speaker 1: but there were some people who actually leaked that he

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Speaker 1: was considering it to try to build pressure against it

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Speaker 1: so he wouldn't go through with it. That's plausible to me,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know if it's necessarily true. Some of

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Speaker 1: it was second hand and anonymous sourcing, which I know

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01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't believe these days, but it

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01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 1: sounds sort of trumpish to me. My hope is that

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Speaker 1: one of the big takeaways from Comey's testimony was that

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Speaker 1: at no time did President Trump or anyone else in

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Speaker 1: the administration seek to impede or obstruct the Russia investigation.

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Speaker 1: That is what Comey said, and that is also what

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Speaker 1: Andrew McCabe, his successor at the FBI, the acting director,

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01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,560
Speaker 1: has also testified under oath. I just to me, it

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01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:06,639
Speaker 1: would be absolutely bonkers, crazy and self destructive for Trump

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01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: for the first time to intervene on the Russia probe

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01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:16,799
Speaker 1: in a way that would look super super guilty because

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01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 1: people thought that he was obstructing the Russia probe. There's

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01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: polling that shows a majority of Americans believe that he

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01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 1: was interfering in that investigation. He was not. Comey and

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01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 1: McCabe have both testified to that if he fires Mueller,

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01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 1: then it's like a giant red flag. It's it's as

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01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 1: if the White House would be unfurling a banner over

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01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 1: the South portico saying we're guilty. Yeah. I wonder if

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01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 1: it's just to prepare the groundwork or or to prepare

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01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:49,759
Speaker 1: the the battlefield ahead by a few in a few ways.

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01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 1: One you have them saying that Muller and Comy are close.

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01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 1: So maybe that's a part of this, right, so that

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01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: if things come out of this investigation, and already it seems,

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01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 1: if you believe the rewards, there have been some leaks. Right,

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01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 1: it should not be known publicly that Trump that that

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01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 1: Trump might be a target of criminal obstruction as already

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01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 1: at this stage. Um, But assuming that we're going to

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01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 1: get more leaks throughout the course of the investigation, I

1522
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 1: think that some people around Trump's orb or but want

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01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 1: to make sure that that there's at least some doubt

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01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 1: about whether Mueller is a completely objective actor here. But

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01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 1: firing and would get rid of all firing would would

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01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: be too much, Yeah, it would be. It would be

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01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: extremely self destructive and a self inflicted wound. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I do have questions about the degree to which Comy

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01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 1: and Mueller are really close friends and have been for years.

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01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: Comey is a crucial witness in this case, and Mueller

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01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: and he are extremely close, and I do wonder how

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01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 1: objective Mueller can be about Comy. But I also know

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who have worked with him, who

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01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:02,759
Speaker 1: I really respect, who are Some of them are Trump

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01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 1: defenders who say Mueller's reputation speaks for itself. He is

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01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 1: just a consummate professional and law enforcement UM agent who

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01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 1: puts the law and the truth above everything else. And

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01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:22,799
Speaker 1: there's a reason why he was universally praised by virtually

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01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 1: everyone across the ideological spectrum when uh the Deputy Attorney General,

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01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 1: announced that he would be the special counsel in the case.

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01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 1: Um So, again, I think it is reasonable to ask

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01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 1: questions about his closeness with Comey. I think this is

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01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 1: reasonable to point out that of the lawyers that he

1544
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,559
Speaker 1: has hired who have donated to politicians, have donated almost

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01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: exclusively to Democrats, including two of those three who maxed

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01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 1: out to Hillary Clinton. These are pieces of the puzzle,

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01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 1: but overall, I have confidence in Robert Mueller based on

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01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 1: everything that I've heard and read about him, as do

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01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 1: people on both side of the aisle. Uh. And you know,

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01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 1: I think with Trump and the whole Russia thing, the

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01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 1: reason that he's allegedly or reportedly being investigated for obstruction

1552
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 1: is not because he tried to obstruct the Russia investigation,

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01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 1: but because he fired Comy after Comy revealed that he

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01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 1: had suggested or requested or expressed his wish that he

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01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:29,640
Speaker 1: could let the Michael Flynn matter go, which was like

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01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 1: a tertiary side investigation, right, It wasn't directly tied to

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01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: the Russia stuff at all, So that would be another

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01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 1: self inflicted mistake by Trump. Um. And by the way,

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01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 1: the reason, like, I'm not surprised at all by that

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01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:50,639
Speaker 1: Washington Post story that came out last night that Trump

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Speaker 1: might be, you know, the target of a potential obstruction investigation.

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01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 1: And again they haven't reached any conclusions, they're just looking

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01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 1: into it. Uh. Comey basically telegraphed that that was the

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01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 1: case during his during his hearings uh two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: It would be surprising if if that was not the case.

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Speaker 1: I Mean, the league certainly seems very believable on its face.

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Speaker 1: We're speaking of Guy Benson. He's town Hall's political editor. Guy.

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Speaker 1: One more for you. Senate Healthcare Bill. A lot of

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Speaker 1: secrecy around this. People are saying, well, what the heck

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01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 1: is going on? Yeah, I think what they're doing is

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01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:27,719
Speaker 1: they want to make sure that they have It's really

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Speaker 1: tough to get to fifty votes in this Republican conference

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01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 1: right now when it comes to Obamacare, because you have

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01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 1: the Susan Collins of the world and the Lesamercouskis of

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01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:40,799
Speaker 1: the world, who are centrists who are very anty about

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01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 1: making big changes on Medicaid and other things. And you've

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01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 1: got Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and Mike Lee who

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01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:49,639
Speaker 1: don't want to touch anything that falls way way short

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Speaker 1: of repeal full repeal. So it is a tough balance,

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01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 1: and they've got this working group trying to hammer out

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01:35:56,360 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 1: a compromise that could attract fifty votes in the Senate.

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01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 1: They are that's a very tough road to how they

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01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 1: have to calibrate it just right. And they also want

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Speaker 1: to make sure that when the CBO gets ahold of

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Speaker 1: the plan, they won't come in and totally blow it up.

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01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:17,800
Speaker 1: So I think they are trying to hold their negotiations

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01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: close to the vest, come up with something that they

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01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 1: can sort of approach where they unified front and then

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01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 1: they will release. If they can get to that point,

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01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 1: they will release legislation. I'm not a great fan of

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01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 1: this opacity. I understand strategically why they're doing it, and

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Speaker 1: I would also say, once the bill exists, and once

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Speaker 1: it is released, it is going to not only be

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Speaker 1: public and debated at great length because this is a

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01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 1: reconciliation bill, there will be unlimited amendments to this legislation

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Speaker 1: that they call it a vote arama. They're going to

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01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 1: debate and vote on amendments for this thing for as

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01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: long as amendments are being offered. So the idea that

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Speaker 1: this is all gonna be just rammed through with no

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01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: debate and no transparency and no public awareness and no

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01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 1: ability to change anything, uh, that is literally impossible given

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01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:15,680
Speaker 1: the reconciliation UH mechanism that they're using to try to

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01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:19,679
Speaker 1: pass this thing without getting to sixty votes. Guy Benson's

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01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 1: latest can be read at town hall dot com. Mr Benson,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, Thank you, sir. It seems like

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01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:39,480
Speaker 1: a straightforward, good idea. Let's keep terrorism and terrorist propaganda

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01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 1: and isis beheading videos and some of the other well

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01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 1: known digital tools of radicalization off the internet to begin with.

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01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 1: Now we see a series of articles, by the way,

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01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: just today talking about how Facebook is trying to do this.

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01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:02,440
Speaker 1: I learned something that I did not realize that Facebook

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01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: has somebody who is the lead policy manager for counter terrorism.

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01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was a position that existed in Facebook.

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01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 1: I didn't realize they had a hundred and fifty specialists

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01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:20,560
Speaker 1: who work in thirty languages doing reviews of counter terrorism

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01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 1: or doing reviews of material that has to do with terrorism.

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01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 1: That's something that's that's new to me. Um and they're

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Speaker 1: now putting in place artificial intelligence algorithms to accompany the

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01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 1: human review process. Here. Now I understand the impulse people

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01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 1: radicalize online. Those radicals then engage in terrorist attacks that

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01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:49,760
Speaker 1: kill people. So this is a very serious problem. But

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01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 1: oftentimes actions, whether by governments or in this case, entities

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01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:59,679
Speaker 1: that have the power of governments but function as private

1624
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 1: corporate rations places like Facebook, can have unintended consequences. You

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01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 1: have Theresa May after the attacks in London, well after

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01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 1: the attack in Manchester and the attack in London, uh

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01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 1: saying that she would like there to be. She demands

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01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:20,440
Speaker 1: that there are more efforts put in place to stop

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01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: online terrorist propaganda. Now that's been underway for quite some time.

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01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: This is not a new problem, and this is not

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01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 1: a new idea, which then brings us to the how

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01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 1: do you do this? I know the devil is in

1633
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 1: fact in the details. The implementation of counter radicalization programs

1634
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:47,680
Speaker 1: on social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter is inherently

1635
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: going to run into some problems. The first problem and

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01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:55,479
Speaker 1: I know that Facebook has got seemingly endless piles of

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01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 1: cash and personnel and geniuses, and I'm just some guide

1638
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 1: to radio Mike, what do I oh? The first problem

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01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 1: they're going to run into those that the social media

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01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 1: platforms are not really where the terrorist propagandas necessarily being shared. Sure,

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01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 1: some of it is, and there'll be people that are

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01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 1: using you know, hashtag uh isis attack, or they'll be

1643
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 1: talking about how they support it using Twitter or Facebook. Um,

1644
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 1: but there are other platforms as well. In fact, there

1645
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 1: are constantly new communication platforms out there that are freely

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01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 1: downloadable and have new forms of encryption technology. And these

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01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:41,160
Speaker 1: are used of course for more secure communications. People that

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01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 1: are trying to avoid the prying eyes of government. And

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01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:50,680
Speaker 1: so even if you get Facebook and Twitter to have efficacy,

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01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: if they if it works of the time that they

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01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: take extremist propaganda off the Internet, You're not going to

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01:40:57,320 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 1: get all extremist terrorists Gee Hottest propaganda off the inner

1653
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:04,559
Speaker 1: You're just gonna get some some portion of it. Uh.

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01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 1: And then you get into the I think the even

1655
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 1: more complicated it should because because they won't deny or

1656
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:13,600
Speaker 1: doubt or argue that point, they are always going to

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01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 1: be As long as there are platforms where people can

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01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 1: communicate on the Internet and it's user generated content. As

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01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:23,639
Speaker 1: long as they are basic text and video and photo

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01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 1: sharing platforms on the Internet, they'll find some way to

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01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 1: exchange terrorist propaganda, and even more than that, to communicate

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01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:38,160
Speaker 1: for the purposes of plotting and executing attacks. The remote

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01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 1: controlled terrorist attack, which has been written about now a

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01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:46,639
Speaker 1: number of times in response to some mass casualty attacks,

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01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 1: is where individuals who are let's say, in Rock in Syria,

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01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:55,920
Speaker 1: are in such close communication with a g Hottest in

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01:41:56,040 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 1: France or anywhere for that matter, and continuous communicate that

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01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 1: they are directing aspects of the plot. They are telling

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01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 1: the person they're telling the terrorists where to surveil, where

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01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:11,000
Speaker 1: to get weapons, how to get material precursor materials for explosives.

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01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:15,680
Speaker 1: So it's almost like a virtual terrorism tutor, uh. And

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01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 1: that has been going on with a number of major plots.

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01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:22,560
Speaker 1: So as long as you have people able to communicate

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01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:27,760
Speaker 1: and generate their own content online and and share information,

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01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:30,720
Speaker 1: there will be people that use that for ill Yeah.

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01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,719
Speaker 1: I I think that the same way that we understand

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01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 1: that a mafia boss can use a phone to order

1678
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:39,679
Speaker 1: a hit on somebody, it doesn't mean that the phone

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01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:44,720
Speaker 1: is bad. Um. And you know, you could write, go

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01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 1: back to letters and you know, written word and there's

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01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:52,760
Speaker 1: no shortage of means of communicating uh, information that that

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01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 1: is harmful, whether you're talking about terrorism or any number

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01:42:55,840 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 1: of other issues. But to think that we can accurately

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01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:05,080
Speaker 1: and successfully police it is fraught with problems. Now I'm

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01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:06,760
Speaker 1: not sure that it's I'm not going to say that

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01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 1: it's not worth trying. Facebook is already trying it so

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01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:15,000
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and much of that is driven by user

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Speaker 1: users flagging the information. You know, you can flag a

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01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:21,599
Speaker 1: post if you think it's inappropriate, So there's that level

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01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 1: of human review. Although I gotta say, I don't know.

1691
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 1: If I saw a really horrific Isis video, I'm not

1692
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 1: sure I want to be the one who was flagging

1693
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 1: this for a review. If you, I just feel like

1694
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 1: you're raising your hand like, hey, look what I found.

1695
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 1: That's not necessary. I just were making me a little uncomfortable.

1696
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:41,919
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but the human review process is essential

1697
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:44,639
Speaker 1: because the algorithms are just not in a place now

1698
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:47,560
Speaker 1: where they're going to be able to make those distinctions.

1699
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 1: And I also have to say there's a problem here

1700
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:57,679
Speaker 1: of keeping information and keeping propaganda out of the hands

1701
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:01,120
Speaker 1: or away from the eyes of people like me who

1702
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:03,639
Speaker 1: want access to it to study it. You know, I'm

1703
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:05,560
Speaker 1: no longer in the government. I don't have access to

1704
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 1: classify it. I don't know any of the secret stuff anymore.

1705
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 1: I just have open source like everybody else. And I

1706
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:15,280
Speaker 1: would really like to be able to do in depth

1707
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 1: research sometimes on the videos that are put out there,

1708
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 1: the propaganda the Islamic State is using is utilizing, and

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01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:27,040
Speaker 1: to pull that off the internet um is one. As

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01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 1: I said, it's impossible, So you get into the cost

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01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 1: benefit analysis of of doing it even in the first place,

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01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:38,200
Speaker 1: And also it deprives someone like me of research material

1713
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 1: to try and understand better how they're doing this terrorism,

1714
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 1: to raise the alarm about the radicalization process that goes on.

1715
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 1: So those those are concerns that I have about it.

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01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 1: Um And then once you've even looked, and this is

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01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:58,600
Speaker 1: just about technical implementation, right, this is will it assuming

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01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:01,400
Speaker 1: that this is a good idea, Uh, will it work?

1719
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 1: And I think the answer is it will only work

1720
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 1: in part Oh and by the way, I also fear

1721
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 1: that once you get used to banning content online. Remember

1722
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 1: we're talking about content here, Once you get used to that,

1723
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:19,440
Speaker 1: even if it's under terms of service provision, it becomes

1724
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:23,640
Speaker 1: a short leap to say that, you know, having that

1725
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: material at all now makes you suspect. So I would

1726
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 1: not want to live in a country where having an

1727
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 1: war all Lucky video on your computer absent other criminal activity,

1728
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 1: criminal steps was and somehow was somehow a problem or

1729
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 1: could cause you problems because I might just want to

1730
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 1: know who this guy is. You know, I'm are Lucky

1731
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:48,040
Speaker 1: is obviously dead now, but I just want to know

1732
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 1: who this guy is that's radicalizing people, how he does it? Right,

1733
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm not radicalized? Uh, terrors and researchers or just people

1734
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 1: that want to understand what's going on in the world

1735
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 1: of terrorism. You don't want it. You don't want to

1736
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 1: feel like, well, if I send around the latest copy

1737
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 1: of Al Qaeda and the Arabian Peninsulas Inspire magazine, I'm

1738
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 1: not distributing terrorist propaganda. I'm sharing it with people so

1739
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 1: they can know what the bad guys are trying to do.

1740
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:16,639
Speaker 1: And that starts to feel a little you know that

1741
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 1: that that puts you in an uncomfortable place, right. But

1742
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 1: the most troublesome aspect of this, perhaps is what qualifies

1743
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 1: as extremist propaganda. Uh. And in this New York Times piece,

1744
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 1: I know I've been bashing in the Times a lot today. Uh.

1745
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 1: They quote someone named J. M. Berger who's a fellow

1746
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:39,599
Speaker 1: with the International Center for Counter Terrorism at the Hague.

1747
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:43,280
Speaker 1: He said a large part of the challenge for companies

1748
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 1: like Facebook is figuring out what qualifies as terrorism, a

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01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:50,719
Speaker 1: definition that might apply to more than statements in support

1750
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 1: of groups like the Islamic State. The problem, as you

1751
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 1: and by the way, and that is now you are

1752
01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:00,599
Speaker 1: in the realm of suppressing speech to right. If somebody

1753
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:04,759
Speaker 1: says that they think that Isis, uh ISIS is doing

1754
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 1: good things in Syria. That's gonna get pulled off of Facebook?

1755
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:10,920
Speaker 1: Are we also going to start to say that that's

1756
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:14,360
Speaker 1: Are we gonna say that's illegal? When do you cross

1757
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: over into material support? When you cross over into giving

1758
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:20,200
Speaker 1: aid and comfort to the enemy. These are very worthwhile questions.

1759
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:22,800
Speaker 1: But back to this jam Burger guy. He writes or said,

1760
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:26,640
Speaker 1: the problem as usual is determining what is extremist and

1761
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:29,920
Speaker 1: what isn't. And it goes further than just gee hottests.

1762
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:32,760
Speaker 1: Are they just talking about ISIS and al Qaeda or

1763
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 1: are they going to go further to deal with white

1764
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:40,840
Speaker 1: nationalism and neo Nazi movements? Well, my friends, based on

1765
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 1: the mainstream media's view of sites, including Breitbart dot com,

1766
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:55,000
Speaker 1: sites that are widely read in conservative Republican circles, will

1767
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:58,360
Speaker 1: some of those sites perhaps are some of the articles

1768
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 1: they write fall under this new social media censorship policy?

1769
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter and Google. These are entities that have

1770
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 1: more power than any media entity since the days of

1771
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:15,679
Speaker 1: three TV networks. I mean, these are uh these companies

1772
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:18,840
Speaker 1: are so powerful in the molding of perception that if

1773
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:23,920
Speaker 1: they open themselves up to politicize censorship and if they

1774
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:26,559
Speaker 1: do this in the open, I should say, Uh, the

1775
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 1: consequences of this could be profound. Think about this. Now,

1776
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 1: they're going to be monitoring and removing extremist content. Does

1777
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 1: that mean anti immigrant content? Does that mean shutting down

1778
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 1: the borders? Does that mean building a wall? Does that

1779
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 1: mean you know what qualifies as quote white nationalism? I

1780
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 1: don't think you could get a definition of that from

1781
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 1: most major media outlets right now that wouldn't seem politically

1782
01:48:56,040 --> 01:49:00,160
Speaker 1: biased or or perhaps intended to encompass a lot more

1783
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:05,720
Speaker 1: than just white nationalism to more mainstream right wing ideology.

1784
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:08,360
Speaker 1: So we have to keep a close eye on this

1785
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 1: because they are shifting and molding and in some cases

1786
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 1: even dictating perception and pulling extremist material off the Internet

1787
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:22,400
Speaker 1: is almost impossible. And then of course you have to

1788
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:25,559
Speaker 1: sit around and think, what exactly are they going to

1789
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:31,559
Speaker 1: treat as extremist? A Republicans extremist will be right back.

1790
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 1: Just because she lost the election, don't think that you

1791
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:47,000
Speaker 1: will be free of Hillary Clinton popping up in your

1792
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:51,639
Speaker 1: news feed in the months and years ahead. She's going

1793
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 1: to continue giving overpaid speech as though not for nearly

1794
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:56,840
Speaker 1: as much money as before. I wonder why that is.

1795
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 1: I wonder why the market is reflect a drop in

1796
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:07,519
Speaker 1: Clinton's marketability for speeches. Um, and She's going to obviously

1797
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:13,760
Speaker 1: be trotted out, particularly for feminist uh causes of all kinds.

1798
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:18,759
Speaker 1: And she appeared in a in a video recently for

1799
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:26,280
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Banks, who is a nice actress, nice looking actress,

1800
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:29,720
Speaker 1: who is a friend and supporter of Clinton. Can I

1801
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:32,240
Speaker 1: just stop for a second, why why would some why

1802
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:34,679
Speaker 1: would some actors be a friend and support every support

1803
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:38,040
Speaker 1: or find friend of Hillary Clinton's What is cool about

1804
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton? I mean, I guess actors and actresses are

1805
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:44,680
Speaker 1: so used to worshiping fame and power that to be

1806
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 1: near somebody even who is as lacking in coolness and

1807
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 1: lacking in uh graciousness and warmth, Like, why would you

1808
01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 1: want to be Hillary Clinton's friend if you're just some actress? Well,

1809
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:01,320
Speaker 1: of course, because it's all about connections and power of it.

1810
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:04,000
Speaker 1: I just think it's kind of funny. Let's just be clear.

1811
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:06,880
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying here, so like Hillary Clinton's cool, Right,

1812
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 1: if you're in Hollywood, you act like Hillary Clinton's cool.

1813
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:15,800
Speaker 1: She she's really cool, She gets really expensive speeches, and

1814
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 1: she's amazing. She is ah, not the worst, but among

1815
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:25,960
Speaker 1: the worst. So she's out in Hollywood and she gave

1816
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,120
Speaker 1: this taped speech and I just have to play a

1817
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:31,640
Speaker 1: little bit of this for you. Bitfn to lifting up

1818
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:37,360
Speaker 1: women directors, producers, writers, composers and executives has made such

1819
01:51:37,439 --> 01:51:41,400
Speaker 1: a difference. Now, I haven't seen Wonder Woman yet, but

1820
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to, in part because it's directed by the

1821
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 1: fabulous Patty Jenkins. But something tells me that a movie

1822
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:53,240
Speaker 1: about a strong, powerful woman fighting to say the world

1823
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:58,800
Speaker 1: from a massive international disaster is right of my Oh man,

1824
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 1: she did it, she did it. She compared herself to

1825
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:08,439
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman. No, don't compare yourself to Wonder Woman. Now

1826
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:10,679
Speaker 1: now I don't want to see that movie anymore. Now

1827
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:13,360
Speaker 1: I have. I have no interest in seeing Wonder Woman.

1828
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:16,679
Speaker 1: This makes me. This makes me so sad. This makes

1829
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:19,160
Speaker 1: me so sad on the inside. What will what will

1830
01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:21,720
Speaker 1: I do? Now? I've heard it's a good movie, by

1831
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,760
Speaker 1: the way I've heard, I've read. I have heard and

1832
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,960
Speaker 1: read good things about it, and I like superhero movies.

1833
01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:32,160
Speaker 1: I I appreciate the escapism of people having superpowers and

1834
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:36,720
Speaker 1: the good versus evil paradigm where where it's clear I

1835
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,439
Speaker 1: feel like far too much these days in the realm

1836
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:42,639
Speaker 1: of entertainment is always based in the well, there's really

1837
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 1: no good guys and no no bad guys. It's just

1838
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:49,519
Speaker 1: people making different decisions. I feel like Game of Thrones,

1839
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:51,720
Speaker 1: as innovative as it is, sometimes it's a little bit

1840
01:52:52,479 --> 01:52:56,040
Speaker 1: a little bit too morally obtuse for my liking. I'm

1841
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:59,200
Speaker 1: still gonna watch all of it, obviously, But yeah, Hillary

1842
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:02,440
Speaker 1: is out there doing her thing giving speeches in Hollywood,

1843
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:08,160
Speaker 1: and I'm always just blown away by I understood Hollywood

1844
01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:11,320
Speaker 1: embracing Barack Obama in the way that they did, because

1845
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:13,519
Speaker 1: he does give a good speech and he does have

1846
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:18,040
Speaker 1: a charisma. But I mean Hillary Clinton. This is like

1847
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:20,280
Speaker 1: when I watched Parks and rec which is one of

1848
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:22,439
Speaker 1: my favorite shows, that you should start with season two

1849
01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:25,360
Speaker 1: and just skip the rest of it our sorry, skipped

1850
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:27,040
Speaker 1: the first season entirely, and just start with two and

1851
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:29,800
Speaker 1: watch it from there. But the main character gets all

1852
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:33,600
Speaker 1: excited about meeting Metaline Albright. I was just like, and

1853
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:37,360
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. You know, this is these are supposed to

1854
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:41,760
Speaker 1: be cool people. They're supposed to be celebrities, not just politicians.

1855
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:46,639
Speaker 1: It's pretty remarkable stuff. Anyway, Yeah, Hillary's I'm Mike wonder Woman.

1856
01:53:47,479 --> 01:53:50,960
Speaker 1: She is not, in fact like wonder Woman. That that

1857
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:55,000
Speaker 1: is an untrue That is an untrue statement about Hillary Clinton.

1858
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:58,080
Speaker 1: That well, she didn't say it outright, but she certainly

1859
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:01,960
Speaker 1: implied that there was a similarity there. And that's a

1860
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:06,479
Speaker 1: similarity that I'm hoping I can erase that from my

1861
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 1: memory so I can actually go and enjoy Wonder Woman.

1862
01:54:10,439 --> 01:54:12,120
Speaker 1: I might go to the movies, you know, I usually

1863
01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:15,799
Speaker 1: don't because I find that people are rooted movie theaters.

1864
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:20,640
Speaker 1: Now there's no enforcement. It's like civilization has ceased to

1865
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:25,680
Speaker 1: uh enforce its movie theater rules. Um, you know, you

1866
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:28,679
Speaker 1: shouldn't be talking during the movies. People who hold up

1867
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:31,479
Speaker 1: their phone so that you see the bright screen when

1868
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:35,840
Speaker 1: you're in the dark theater. That's super annoying. Uh, And

1869
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:39,040
Speaker 1: just the whole experience. I find the chairs uncomfortable. I know,

1870
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm sounding like I'm sounding like I'm telling people to

1871
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 1: get off my lawn, and I'm being grumpy about this.

1872
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:46,440
Speaker 1: But I just Wonder Woman. I might go see Maybe

1873
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:48,760
Speaker 1: not this weekend, I gotta go to a wedding, but

1874
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:52,520
Speaker 1: maybe next weekend I'll go check it out. Regardless of

1875
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:55,400
Speaker 1: Hillary trying to ruin it for me, because Hillary is

1876
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:59,320
Speaker 1: so good at that, very talented at ruining things for me. Team,

1877
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:02,000
Speaker 1: it is and honor and pleasure as always to have

1878
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:03,800
Speaker 1: you with me here in the Freedom Hut. Please do

1879
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 1: check out buck sexton dot com. We post stories there

1880
01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:08,720
Speaker 1: throughout the day and preparation for what we're gonna be

1881
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 1: talking about here on the show. Um already got a

1882
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:15,120
Speaker 1: lot of fun things planned for tomorrow. Little freestyle Friday

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1887
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Speaker 1: share your thoughts there until tomorrow. My friends, thank you

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