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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, and welcome back to normally the show with

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Speaker 1: normalish takes for when the news gets weird.

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Speaker 2: I'm Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 3: Ham and I'm Carol Markowitz.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: We're busy out here, folks, and we're not just busy

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Speaker 1: in the news. I do want to say that I

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Like they're a totally different gender and everything. It's a

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Speaker 1: I have, like a really active three year old girl,

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Speaker 1: like so athletic, adventurous, all over everything. But man, that

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Speaker 1: risk assessment is just different. It's just it's different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my girl climbs trees, very active. But the boys,

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Speaker 3: you know, are constantly injuring themselves. There was this thing

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Speaker 3: recently where Jonathan hate Posts did that, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: it happens in my home in my home, we're like

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Speaker 1: I'm new to this, although as a child I was

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Speaker 1: I'm re learning all of this, and I just didn't

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Speaker 2: Thing that I was up to.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, that's that's what I've been keeping tabs on

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Speaker 1: other than the election. But let's get into the election. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris gave a speech on the Ellipse in Washington

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Speaker 1: last night. To the number the estimates are some seventy

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'll allow it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to have a fight about crowd sizes

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Speaker 1: to I imagine a lot of DC denizens were there,

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Speaker 1: here in DC. It was meant to invoke the speech

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Speaker 1: in the same spot, she had the White House behind her,

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Speaker 1: and the idea was to communicate to everybody that she's

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Speaker 2: So what's your verdict, Carol.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was so bizarre that I didn't know

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Speaker 3: who I was listening to. Kamala Harris is going to

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Speaker 3: deport illegal immigrants. That's what she said last night. I

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Speaker 3: and that idea is just not one that she could

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Speaker 1: We actually have a clip of her. Let's hear the

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Speaker 1: new Kamala.

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Speaker 4: And when I am president, we will quickly remove those

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Speaker 4: who arrive here unlawfully, prosecute the cartels, and give border

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Speaker 4: we must acknowledge we are a nation of immigrants, and

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Speaker 4: I will work with Congress to pass immigration reform, including

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Speaker 2: And our dreamers. So she's gonna she's gonna deport quickly.

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Speaker 2: She's currently an ace's going to do it. She's currently

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Speaker 1: They also, this is the thing that gets me, they

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Governing an opposition to Trump is not a wise way

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Speaker 1: and now they say, like, it's Congress that hasn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've managed to decrease the flow at the border,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of beating us over the head with the message.

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Speaker 1: I read a Vox piece which was pretty helpful on

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Speaker 1: I don't think the evidence shows that it is. And

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Speaker 3: Shocking that Vox wrote it up like that.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: So there are plenty of people, including her own major pack,

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Speaker 3: I saw the major packs of the pack and the

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Speaker 3: that's how the Kamala campaign gets to hear what the

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Speaker 1: Now we have one more clip from Kamala, and then

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Speaker 1: whole night. So here's Kamala Harris talking about her philosophy

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Speaker 4: People who disagree with me are the enemy. He wants

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Speaker 1: That was hilariously clipped inadvertently clipped that way, But what

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Speaker 1: She said, I do not believe that people who disagree

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Speaker 3: The Nazis are getting a seat at the table. What

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Speaker 2: It's so nice.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe her that she thinks people who disagree

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Speaker 1: her allies have very enthusiastically this week called his gathering

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Speaker 1: say to me that we're coming together. I don't feel

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Speaker 1: who also didn't feel like we're coming together, President Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: who was speaking on a zoom for Latino voter outreach,

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Speaker 2: But it was like a.

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Speaker 1: Three day news cycle, right, he references it, and then

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Speaker 5: Or Puerto Rico where I'm in my home state of Delaware.

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Speaker 5: They're good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage icee float

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Speaker 5: not there is his supporters. His demonizational scene is unconscionable,

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Speaker 5: and it's on American garbage Nazis.

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Speaker 3: My mom is so proud.

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Speaker 2: Garbage Nazis with a seat at the table.

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Speaker 1: Carol, Yeah, This is an interesting moment because you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: normally have the sitting president, yeah, doing an event while

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Speaker 2: So that speaks to some lack of coordination.

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Speaker 1: We've heard about that, some maybe a little bad blood,

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Speaker 1: and uh, look, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: The president's capable of being president, but he's certainly capable

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Speaker 1: It's amazing in the most precise ways possible, Like he's like,

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Speaker 1: what's her message again?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to go opposite. I'm going to do that.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back on normally in just a minute.

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Speaker 3: The thing is, it's clear that it's what he really believes,

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Speaker 3: so funny that there's this reaction today. You know, we

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Speaker 3: don't think that Trump supporters her garbage, but you think

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Speaker 3: they're Nazis. I'm not sure that one is necessarily worse

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Speaker 3: that there's an apostrophe in there. Mary Catherine is there

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So theory.

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Speaker 1: The theory is that he meant when he ended that

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Speaker 1: sentence to refer to only Tony Hinchcliffe's garbage, right, the

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Speaker 1: garbage belonged to Tony Hinchcliff. There was an apostrophe there, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean he ends the sentence pretty clearly.

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Speaker 1: As you note Ockham's razor here, Carol, people have been

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Speaker 1: expressing that they believe Trump supporters are trash for nine years.

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Speaker 1: In fact, one of the things that distinguished me in

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Speaker 1: In fact, I was often critical, but I was defensive

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Speaker 2: Right, So why are we acting surprised now?

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Speaker 3: Right? It's been going on for so long, and obviously

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Speaker 3: I am. But she's been very clear that she is

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Speaker 3: the fact that he was unwell for a long time.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of hard for her now to parse her

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Speaker 1: This is the pickle they keep getting themselves in, which

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Speaker 1: right and that he's functioning, you have to let him talk.

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Speaker 1: My contrast, By the way, Obama in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: And it also, by the way, if you're concerned about

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Speaker 2: It just seems like sane things that they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the sane state of Virginia is doing the right

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Speaker 1: This is normally We'll be back after this message. Another

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Speaker 1: story Shenanigan's out in Colorado. The Secretary of State of

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Speaker 1: I think because these are people who've already voted, they

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Speaker 1: It should be a national story. Another thing that should

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Speaker 2: He was shot in the shoulder.

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Speaker 1: The Chicago police have identified him as Cidi Mohammed Abdallahi,

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Speaker 3: from a source. It has not been confirmed elsewhere. Sources

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Speaker 3: make mistakes sometimes, but I'm very very confident in my

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Speaker 3: sources information that he crossed illegally our southern border and

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Speaker 3: he's from Africa. Again, I think that's pretty obvious. It's

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Speaker 3: a hate crime, but the police department there is not

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Speaker 3: treating it as such, I'd love it more information on

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Speaker 3: why that is. I would love to hear from somebody

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Speaker 3: there as to what makes something a hate crime and

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Speaker 3: why this doesn't qualify.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem like in the case of like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Jesse Smollett, we were able to come

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Speaker 1: to conclusions very quickly. Yeah, and those conclusions were not

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Speaker 1: at all true. Right, So perhaps with this information we

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: That would be nice. Yes, thanks for joining us on normally.

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