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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with IHR Radio. This is a very special episode of

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Speaker 1: the Almost Famous podcast. We are in Karmo by the Sea.

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Speaker 1: We are here thanks to Hyunday, the Hunday Tucson Hybrid

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Speaker 1: plug in ev. There's an incredible vehicle that's been with

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Speaker 1: us all weekend through this journey, and Hunday has been

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Speaker 1: with us for a lot of this year as we've

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Speaker 1: had some great experiences. Ashley, I want to quickly say

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Speaker 1: and tell a little story, if that's okay. So this

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Speaker 1: weekend last week and I was in at Indiana University.

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Speaker 1: I brought Jessica to my alma mater for a basketball game.

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Speaker 1: Kill Royce is our college bar there. It's a very

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Speaker 1: popular bar. It was packed a lot of just interaction

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Speaker 1: with some incredible people, some incredible Hoosiers. I want to

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Speaker 1: give a special shout out to michaela, Lexei Sydney and Jayden.

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Speaker 1: They came up to me, fans of the Almost Famous

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Speaker 1: podcast since the beginning, and they come up to me

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Speaker 1: they're like, Ben, we really love you, we love the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I was like, thank you, it's so nice of you,

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Speaker 1: and they say, but we really love Ashley. It's like

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Speaker 1: really love Ashley, like obsessed with Ashley. And I said, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's great. Ashley needs to hear this, I do. She

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Speaker 1: needs to hear that she is so loved and that

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Speaker 1: people are coming up to me telling her how awesome

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Speaker 1: she is. So we FaceTime Ashley Ashley answers. It was

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Speaker 1: like eleven o'clock on a Saturday and Dawson was in bed.

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Speaker 1: Ben was calling me. I was like, what could this be?

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Speaker 1: You know, call from Ben? It's always something he's not

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Speaker 1: calling the chat, which is totally fine, Like we don't.

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Speaker 1: I just never call people in chat. And Ben doesn't

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Speaker 1: call me a chat either, which is I like, I

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Speaker 1: like that yeah voices, Yeah, yeah, you know he would

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Speaker 1: chatting the podcast. Yeah. So this girl came on the

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Speaker 1: line and she was like screaming and telling me how

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Speaker 1: much she's like loving me from the beginning, particularly in

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Speaker 1: the Badlands. And I'm like, this girl's in college. That

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, are you twelve during that episode? Close

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Speaker 1: to it? Probably? But that really did make my day. No,

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Speaker 1: and they loved you. The enthusiasm was unmatched and it's nice.

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Speaker 1: I love fangirls, you know, because I am a fan girl,

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Speaker 1: so it just makes me feel really cool. Well, and

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Speaker 1: just the fact that they've listened to the podcast, you know,

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Speaker 1: we it's a podcast as a unique medium where there

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Speaker 1: is a lot of separation between us and people listening.

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Speaker 1: We don't get a lot of contact with the listeners

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Speaker 1: because we sit on a microphone. It's not like we're

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Speaker 1: doing a live show or we're on stage or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And so anytime you get listeners coming up and saying

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Speaker 1: really meaningful because we put a lot of time into

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Speaker 1: the show, and as a co host of yours, it's

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Speaker 1: incredible for me to hear you like them come and

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Speaker 1: say I love Ashley Like well, people come up and

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Speaker 1: tell me about you being that favorite bachelor all the

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Speaker 1: time as well. Yeah, but they're not saying I love

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Speaker 1: him as a person, like he was just a good bachelor. Oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're talking about him as a person. He

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Speaker 1: was decent on tv UM. But it was awesome, so

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Speaker 1: special special set out to the four of them and

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Speaker 1: all the others at Indiana University. UM. It was a

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Speaker 1: really special weekend. We had a great time, got a

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Speaker 1: tour of the facilities. My buddy Brandon, Um, who is

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Speaker 1: somebody I talked about a lot who has als. You

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Speaker 1: can follow him at Condy cause in his story he's

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Speaker 1: a massive EU fan, so he was able to get

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Speaker 1: the tour with his wife. Is that where you met who? Brandon?

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Speaker 1: I know we're in high school, same high school. But

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Speaker 1: front of us thanks to Hundai. Uh. The Tucson is

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Speaker 1: an incredible vehicle, spacious. You love the heated seats. I

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Speaker 1: also loved the roof. It opens all the way. Yeah

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Speaker 1: that's a nice one. Um. So anyways, great weekend, great vehicle,

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Speaker 1: great times all together again. By the way, the heated

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Speaker 1: first friend here for the weekend. It's Dean and Kaylyn.

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to Bob and Clayton kind of a boy's chat,

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Speaker 1: All right. Dean and Kaylyn are with us right now.

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Speaker 1: They are two of our favorite people in the world.

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Speaker 1: You guys, Dean, you look like you've been hit by

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Speaker 1: a truck. What's going on, buddy, Well, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: the hotel last night and you just kept making me

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Speaker 1: drink more drinks. This is a hangover. Rwasen right now. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure whether or not I was worried about

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Speaker 1: your dog. Is that how you remember? I was making drinks.

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Speaker 1: Ben Higgins can be a little he can be a

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Speaker 1: So I've got some reinforcements on my side. Oh oh,

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Speaker 1: feeling the story is not true. I think I met you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I think you were already there when I got there

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Speaker 1: last night, you had drinks already in front of you

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Speaker 1: so let's just blame me. It feels like the easy

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Speaker 1: you had a lot of fun yesterday, Klin. I know

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Speaker 1: great day? We're gonna go shopping. Just it's a lot

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Speaker 1: I don't know what we should do with you. Well, um,

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Speaker 1: Jessica left love Yeah, okay, Ashley, what's your excuse? Well,

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Speaker 1: Not the one? This is not the one you said,

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Speaker 1: it's a what moist most fake one, but guess what

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Speaker 1: the jam, right, And yeah, we just to clarify again,

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Speaker 1: we've been missing the stone, not the actual setting, right,

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Speaker 1: and Rachel and we'll just do a little girl chat. Great.

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Speaker 1: I love the girl time girls chat, just like the

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Speaker 1: just the show. Do you guys are get your mics?

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Speaker 1: Do you guys remember when you first heard what a

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Speaker 1: same man to each other. Okay, So I actually so

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Speaker 1: what reality TV looks like behind the scenes. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: weren't able to like learn together? Best guys are so beautiful?

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Speaker 1: I was like, why would we do that? I always

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Speaker 1: conversations that people just had with each other. Yeah, absolutely not,

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Speaker 1: that day was that I was talking to Tino and

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00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 1: I was getting off the stage. The way they went

426
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 1: about it, I don't think was right. I don't think

427
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 1: anyone should ever be in a position where they exactly

428
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 1: and I think coming off of that, a lot of

429
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 1: people put that blame on An and me, and it

430
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: was it would I don't know who you could blame

431
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, but it was no

432
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: one's intent to ever make him feel like that. And

433
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: I know even now, even Antino, I've seen that they're

434
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: they're friends again. So I think there's no bad bud

435
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: hopefully across the board. Yeah, I don't even think Tino

436
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: thought that way. I think that a lot of the

437
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: viewers also have enough blinders off to know that that

438
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: was like a production move and not anything on your

439
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: part or even well, you would be surprised, but I know, yeah,

440
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: it was like they really thought me and even just

441
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 1: had this plan. I didn't even know he was there

442
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 1: and just saw him out of the corner of my

443
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: eye and I was just like whoa, Like what is happening.

444
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: Everyone was just really shocked. So yeah, all right, well, girls,

445
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 1: Ben is going to take over with the guys and

446
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: they're going to talk about some serious stuff. One of

447
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 1: my favorite things that we ever get to do is

448
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 1: get together in person, and we're doing it right now

449
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: and Carmo by the Sea. Thanks to Hyunday, I got

450
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: Bob Guinney, I got Clayton with me here. We played

451
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: a little golf yesterday. We take the Hyundai Tucson plug

452
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: In Hybrid e V to the golf course. Yes, I mean, Bob,

453
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you first, and I want

454
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: to talk to you about Clayton. Okay, Okay, let's not

455
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: just right next to you. So, uh, this is the

456
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: first time I've ever been with Clayton in person. We

457
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: did take the car to the golf course. Um, Clayton

458
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: is a massive human, a big man, and I mean

459
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: did that vehicle give him enough space? So here's what's

460
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: really interesting. Clayton and I are in the back seat

461
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: together we're both tall. I'm six three. I want to

462
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: say you're about six six. I gotta be honest, now, yeah, yeah,

463
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of so with the hair left. Yes, yes,

464
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: I swear we both had tons of legroom. And by

465
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: the way, all of our clubs were in the back.

466
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: The trunk space was unbelievable. Yeah, and outside of the

467
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: VA cool, which was an incredible experience when we got there. Clayton,

468
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: your golf swing okay, yeah, beautiful. We were watching you

469
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: on the range. You've got muscles in your back. I

470
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: think Bob might have them. No, I do not. I've

471
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: never seen those Bob. Bob does have, but bottles. He

472
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: has all a ton of charisma. It's just a beautiful thing.

473
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: And he brought the muscles out like I was flexing

474
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: extra hard just to I did see you kind of yeah,

475
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I gotta matsu up to this guy somehow.

476
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: But your muscles in your back, Clayton, I believe are

477
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: restrictive for the golf swing. In fact, I like to

478
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: stay limber, loose and have, you know, lack of muscles.

479
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: That's how so that yeah, so that we can really

480
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: get that club back with full full extension. Yeah, I

481
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: would actually say your muscles are restricting you from getting

482
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: that golf club. Yeah, okay, what kind of interview is this?

483
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: I want to say this to Clayton showed up here.

484
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's fifty four degrees yesterday, not what you

485
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: would expect in California, comes out to play golf. He's

486
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: got on okay shorts and a short sleeve shirt. Yes.

487
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: I loaned him some of my apparel because yeah, yeah, yeah,

488
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: my stuff has never looked some good. Honestly, God, I

489
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: was like, I almost didn't even want to take it

490
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: back because Clayton's like, here you go here, it is bad.

491
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I don't think I should wear that

492
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 1: anymore because you've now been seeing in it, and clearly

493
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't make it look like that, Like the arms

494
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: on me when I put that that jacket on it, Yeah,

495
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: it looks like there's tons of room. Yeah, you save

496
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: that story. You say that. I really thought you're gonna

497
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: say it was my lack of judgment coming out here

498
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: with no. Oh, not at all. I mean you just

499
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: saw your going to California. I hear. You didn't realize

500
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: that California is pretty much north to south when it

501
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: comes to the west side of the United States. But

502
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: we're pretty north. Yeah, and I listened. I was when

503
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: I was coming to San Francisco. Not even close. Yeah,

504
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: So man from the Midwest, I'm just gonna go ahead

505
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: and claim that. You know, it's twenty years of my

506
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: life in Missouri. Now I'm getting shown new things, wearing

507
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: Bob's sweaters. It's a beautiful day. Yeah, we will never

508
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: look the same, Clayton Um. You know, obviously you are

509
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: a very recent Bachelor. We can't call you the current

510
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: Bachelor any longer because Zack's season has started to air.

511
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: Over the last year of being the Obviously, you have

512
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: Bob here, who is a good mentor a good friend

513
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: to many who have been leads, including myself. But you probably,

514
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm assuming, haven't been able to be around a lot

515
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: of other Bachelor people in the last year, maybe especially

516
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: for a whole weekend like this. Now I haven't. I haven't.

517
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: Like now I'm starting to get kind of hooked into

518
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: all these different groups of individuals that I mean, I

519
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: kind of have a little fallout because I hear a

520
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: lot of stories happening and I'm like, oh, what is that?

521
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: And You're like, no, you'll you'll pick it up eventually,

522
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, it's like, yeah, I'm the rookie, right,

523
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm the new guy. No, no real hazing besides not

524
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: yet at least I guess I still haven't no twenty

525
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: four hours. I think what's interesting about Clayton you and

526
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: I mean this isn't a complimentary way. You have no

527
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: ego about things, which I think if I if I

528
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: had some of your experiences. I mean, you played in

529
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: the NFL. You you know, you've done a lot of

530
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: I'd probably have a lot more. I might be more

531
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: standoffish to people than you are. You are, so you're like,

532
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: I've never really played golf, but here we go and

533
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: crushed it. He has some moments yesterday when we did

534
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: the scram format that we actually use his shot and

535
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: the guys played three times in his life. Yeah, it's

536
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: a really good athlete. No, I would agree that you've

537
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: been around longer than I have, but you know, at

538
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: this point, I've been around a while in this world too.

539
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: Ego is it feels like a familiar characteristic of a

540
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: lot of people that come off the show big egos,

541
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: a little bit standoffish, expect to be given things, right,

542
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: Clayton hasn't shown that at all. Very gracious. So for you, Clayton,

543
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: how has it been now being around I mean, Rachel's here.

544
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: Obviously you did know Rachel, but a lot of people

545
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: you haven't been around here with in person or probably

546
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: ever met. How has it been being around these other

547
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: contestants just hanging out having fun. There's no there's nothing

548
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: that you need to do here other than enjoy yourself. Yeah, well,

549
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: I think this is something that we all can attest to.

550
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: And often you see people on TV and I had

551
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: seen a lot of you guys on TV prior or

552
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: heard of you, and maybe I saw an hour or

553
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: two of who I thought you were, and coming out

554
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 1: here it shows me, I want to say, a completely

555
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: different picture. But there's just so much more to us, right.

556
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: We're multi faceted individuals and it's been really cool and

557
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: everything that I thought maybe people might have been has

558
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: been challenged when I sit down with them. There's a

559
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: lot of great individuals that are kind hearted, have sacrificed

560
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: to ego. I think we all have had in situations

561
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: where we've come to that place where yeah, people put

562
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: us up on pedestals, and then we realize that, you know,

563
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: sometimes when you're on a large stage like these, insecurities,

564
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: weaknesses can come out and you learn a lot about yourself.

565
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: And I feel that everybody I've met here has kind

566
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: of went through that journey where they've struggled, then they

567
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: found theirselves, and now they're in this place where they're

568
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: just very confident in their own abilities. And it's really

569
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: refreshing to see that. As the new guy that's just

570
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: on the other side of it, I see that, you know,

571
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: years ahead, and I go, okay, like it's gonna be okay,

572
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna be fined. These individuals have found

573
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: their way and I will too. So it's been really

574
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: cool to see that. Yeah, Bob and I can do it.

575
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: You can do it too. Oh yeah, you know, Bob.

576
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: We had a great conversation on the way to golf

577
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: course yesterday. I'd love for you to speak to it.

578
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: We talk about a lot within the Bachelor world, and

579
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: I think weekends like this have always been healthy for

580
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: me because you'd get to humanize and see people for

581
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: who they are and maybe what they're about, and maybe

582
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: not what you've heard or what you've maybe seen on

583
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: social media, but with this world, or with even going

584
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: to high school today, in middle school today, comparison is

585
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: such a prevalent thing. Right, You're comparing yourself to everybody else,

586
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: and if you're any type of critic, you're going to

587
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: be your harshest critic and you're going to compare yourself

588
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: and say, they're doing so much greater things than I

589
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: ever will do or have done. We talked about in

590
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: the way to the course yesterday because everybody in that car, yeah, yourself, myself, Clayton, Blake,

591
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: Dean Wells have all felt this way before. Right. He

592
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: has a great advice. So you know when you look

593
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: at somebody like Clayton who's just new to this, what

594
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: would you tell somebody like him who's comparing himself to

595
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: all these people? Yeah? Well, I think the biggest thing

596
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: the way to talked about too, is that you know,

597
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: social media is everybody's best part of their day, right,

598
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: Like you don't ever genuinely see people posting things like man,

599
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm having a rough time today, Right, They're always like

600
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 1: this happened, and it's always the highlight reel of what

601
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: they're doing. And sometimes the perception of what comes with

602
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 1: that highlight reel can make you feel inferior, you know.

603
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: And we were talking about it yesterday. We're like, you know,

604
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: it's not what you think. It's not what you've heard.

605
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: It's not the stories that you've heard about this person

606
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: and this person doing this and this and this. Not

607
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: exactly how it went. But you know, it takes a

608
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 1: lot more energy to go around and try and correct everybody.

609
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: So you just let the positive stuff flow and you know,

610
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: hope for the best. But it's really about being being

611
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: comfortable with yourself, staying focused on what which you are

612
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: already doing, by the way, focusing on something that you

613
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: know makes you special and different, you know, with with

614
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: your talk about mental health and your passion for that,

615
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: and your passion for your fitness, and building your fan

616
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: base and your following based off of those things, and

617
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, creating your own niche and then just really

618
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: growing within that, and you know, I think you're going

619
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: to do great with it. I mean, we talked about

620
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: it yes today, and we've all kind of got things

621
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: that make us a little bit different. The common threat

622
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: of course being the Bachelor, right, which gave us a

623
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: platform and gave us an opportunity to talk about stuff.

624
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: But the stuff you're passionate about is going to be

625
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: different than some of the things that I might be

626
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: passionate about, or Dean or whatever. But you know, the

627
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: way you talk about it, the way you embrace it,

628
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: in the way that you take the community that you've

629
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: sort of been placed into. Now it's on you, right,

630
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: and whatever you do with it as your own. And

631
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: I think I mean, from what we talked about yesterday,

632
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: everyone in that car, I was very impressed with. None

633
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: of us were, you know, keeping up with the Jones

634
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: type mentalities. We're all I'm like, no, find your own place,

635
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: grow and you know you'll you'll get there. You know,

636
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: just whatever you want to do, and you got a voice,

637
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: use it, you know, yeah, and you're doing it. Yeah.

638
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: And I think it was really refreshing to have everyone

639
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: just kind of shoot straight, because I think when you

640
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: try to keep up with the Jones, then like that

641
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: individual walks out of that or leaves that car and

642
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: they think, okay, here we go. Like now I just

643
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: heard all this new information and now I'm going to

644
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: analyze it. And social media has been interesting. I just

645
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: want to share my story because I kind of I

646
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: want to show individuals from one side to the other.

647
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: You know, prior to the show, I had thousand followers

648
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: or whatever to get maybe twenty likes on a post,

649
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 1: and if I got to eighty, I was like, oh,

650
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: that's really cool. Now it's like I started to post

651
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: mental health stuff. It wasn't getting the same response as

652
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: when I was posting with my now X, and I thought,

653
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: no one wants to see this, And I was upset

654
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: because I went from getting sixty thousand likes down to

655
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: the three thousand. And it's all about perspective, though, And

656
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: that's what I think you guys have instilled in me,

657
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: and I've started to realize is you know, if you

658
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: get three thousand likes on a mental health post, that's

659
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: three thousand individuals lives that you're impacting, plus whoever else

660
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: just saw it didn't click like And so it's just

661
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: been about reframing and shifting that narrative. And unfortunately for

662
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: a lot of us, compared to culture is rampant. We

663
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: can see people across the world now. Used to be

664
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: you could just see people in your own town. Now

665
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: it's like over the entire world. And so every day

666
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: you click online and you go down this rabbit hole,

667
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: and the algorithm knows how to show you similar things.

668
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: So you click, one person shows you ten more, and

669
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: you end up finding yourself not being happy because you're like,

670
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 1: I want to look like that. So it's it's been

671
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: an experience. But I think talking about it helps us

672
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: understand that, like, we're not alone, and you guys have

673
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: went through this to some capacity, and and and much

674
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: of you guys to a greater capacity with them out

675
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: of followers, and so I think it's just the more

676
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: we talk about it, the more we're able to make

677
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: sense of it. And then it's just you don't feel

678
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: like you're the only one going through it. It's a

679
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: weird switch. I was given some really great advice a

680
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: few years ago, because you're right. You know, when you

681
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: come off the show, you are very popular. Your social

682
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: media is blowing up. You know, you get to invited

683
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: to a lot of appearances, and then when that starts

684
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: to fade away, you start to maybe at that point,

685
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: like you are focused on things that you really care about. Okay,

686
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: what do I want to do with this platform that's

687
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: been handed to me for no reason other than the

688
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: fact that I went on a dating show. I have

689
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: this amazing gift. Now what am I going to do

690
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: with it? And everybody who's done it, well, I think

691
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: chooses a lane, like Bob was saying, you know, that

692
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: might not be the most popular lane, that might not

693
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: be the lane that's going to get you on television

694
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: or get you paid the most, but it's a lane.

695
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: So you choose your lane, and that lane's typically a

696
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: little more niche, and the likes and the fall words

697
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: aren't growing at the same rate. They maybe one step.

698
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 1: And I was struggling with that. I was having really

699
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: hard time with it because I was feeling like what

700
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: I cared about nobody else cared about. And they only

701
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: cared about me because of my time on the show

702
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: and because of my ability to date poorly. And and

703
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: somebody sat me down, a mentor from the show, and

704
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: they said, I hear all this, and it's true. Not

705
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: as many people are interested in liking your picture or

706
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: inviting you this because of these niche you've chosen. But Ben,

707
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: why are you doing it? I said, Well, because I

708
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: care about people. I want to sell coffee and give

709
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: it back because I really love people, and I love

710
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: being a part of their stories. And I think in

711
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: forty years from now, what I want to tell my

712
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: grandkids is not that I was on a dating show.

713
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: It's that I was involved in this story and this project.

714
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: And he said, Okay, Ben, you care about people. If

715
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: one person, if one person in his life is better

716
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: because of the work that you did, if one of

717
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: those likes is one human that says I hear Ben,

718
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: I see been and now I feel less alone. It's

719
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: all been worth it. That's how valuable that platform is.

720
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: And so for you, Clayton, you're doing this because you

721
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: care about the mental health of others and yourself and

722
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: the physical fitness of others and yourself. And if one

723
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: person on there likes that picture because their life has

724
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: been better because of the story you told, it's all

725
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: worth it. Yeah. That's the biggest amount of fame you

726
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: could ever get, that you change somebody's life in a

727
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: positive way. Yeah, and yeah, and I'm seeing that. I

728
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: think it's just it's just being able to well ultimately

729
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: find that self love and that self belief that that

730
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: I don't doesn't matter how many followers I have. It's

731
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: just because I have a fraction of the followers of

732
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: somebody else doesn't mean that my message is less important.

733
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: It can be even more. It can be just as impactful.

734
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: And we're in different categories, and I don't have to

735
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: be this individual, and I would post it first for

736
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: what I thought people wanted. I didn't have that satisfaction

737
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: when I started posting what I enjoyed and what I

738
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: thought would be helpful, and I got those one or

739
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: two messages. That's what kept me moving. So but it's

740
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: just yeah, I mean, I think you have to set

741
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: those parameters in place where if if you feel that

742
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: looking at a certain account as negative, then okay, maybe

743
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: I can block this. I mean, we have the ability

744
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: to like hide certain people's profiles, but be more mindful

745
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: of what it is you're in taking because what's coming

746
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: across our screens every day is impacting us, whether we're

747
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, consiously aware of it or not. So I've

748
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: had to take measures where I said, okay, hey, like

749
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: limit the screen time, don't look at certain accounts. You're

750
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: not that person, but you don't need to be that person.

751
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: You're never going to be that person. You should just

752
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: stay in your own lane and be yourself. But that

753
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: you know that just takes time. I think it's it's

754
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: you go. You put yourself in a foreign environment and

755
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: you're just trying to figure out first how this game's played,

756
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: Like how how does I didn't know anything about social

757
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: media I got I got an Instagram just because all

758
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: my friends finally got off Facebook. So I'm like, Okay,

759
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: I guess I'm like one of the last ones here.

760
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: I need to like snoop. Now I got to create

761
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: an account on Instagram. So I created that and that

762
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: was all I knew, and then all a sudden, all

763
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: these analytics came with it, and You're just like, what

764
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 1: is this? And it's a beast. Well, I would guess too.

765
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: I mean, being so fresh off the show, you're you're

766
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: probably still very sensitive to critique, and you know, things

767
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: people say who have no clue who you are, you know,

768
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: And I think I said it yesterday and I don't

769
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: know if I said it in in front of them, but

770
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: I was like I was one time told and I

771
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: mean it was the best advice I ever got about

772
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: that stuff because I was late to social media. It

773
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: wasn't even around when I was the Bachelor, of course,

774
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: but it was like, um, someone basically said to me,

775
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, you're living your life and everyone else is

776
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: going to comment on you living your life, right, So

777
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: what does that say? You know? It says that they're

778
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: paying attention to how you're living your life, but they

779
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: don't know you, so they're something they don't like that

780
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: you do. Like maybe you you know, you found a

781
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: puppy today and you were you know, maybe maybe they're

782
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: cat people, so they think you suck because you like puppies,

783
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it can be that it's not

784
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: that far off, because people comment on everything. And I

785
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: will tell you, with time comes perspective, right, And obviously

786
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of time in between the time

787
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: I was on the show and now, and I think

788
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: that you'll you'll find that, you know, because I think

789
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: we talked about this too. I'd see like two twenty

790
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: nice things. I wouldn't even it would go in one

791
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: he or not the other. I'd see one negative thing

792
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: and it would stick with me for days and it

793
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: would literally drive me crazy, like a like a like

794
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: a thorn in my shoe or something I'd like, oh

795
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: my god, you know, a fello my shoe. And you'll

796
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: get to the point as you grow further away from

797
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: the show where it won't bother you as much, because

798
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's if it means we're and

799
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: desensitized to it or why Yeah, I mean that's you're right.

800
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to say you become callous because I

801
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: think callous means hard hearted, and I don't think that's

802
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: a place you want to get. But there's a period

803
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: where your probably feel that way, but you just get perspective.

804
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: You start understanding your own intentions more like why did

805
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: I care about this thing? Well? I want to bring

806
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: in somebody now who is also a part of the

807
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: Bachelor world, my wonderful co host, Ashley Um. We've had

808
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: a great little guy's talk here with Clayton and Bob.

809
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: Ashley is joining us. Um and Ashley, I mean, you know,

810
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: we want a little time down here with the boys.

811
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: We want to bring Ashley in now, Um, because this

812
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: is a weekend thanks to Hunday with the Almost Famous podcast,

813
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: we've had an incredible weekend, the guys and the girls

814
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: spending time together. Ashley. We're just talking about mental health

815
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: and criticism and I want to bring you in, but

816
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: I also before I do want to ask Clayton, you know,

817
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: when did this become the pursuit that you wanted to have.

818
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm really interested because we saw you as

819
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: the bachelor. You obviously went through a public breakup that's

820
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: not fun, not ideal, but everybody in the streams had one. Yeah,

821
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: you're not alone there. So when did it hit for

822
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: you that this next lane, this lane was the one

823
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: that you're going to jump into and really focus on. Yeah.

824
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: So for me, I've I've been pretty open talking about

825
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: my struggles offline. I started doing that in college, talking

826
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: about body dysmorphia to my friends and we were just

827
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: having these these mature conversations and I felt very comfortable

828
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: doing so. And so when I went on this show,

829
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: I was open to the women about it was well received.

830
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: And then when everything happened in the ending occurred and

831
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: I was in a really bad spot, I at first

832
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: was very defensive any criticism that came my way, even

833
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: if it was constructive, I wasn't willing to listen. And

834
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, like, as we were meeting in person,

835
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, remember the last conversation we had. It was

836
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: tense for me because I was on the defense and

837
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: I heard gaslighting and that term just like I was like,

838
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: worst connotation, yeah, and I'll never forget. As as I

839
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: was thinking about, Okay, we're gonna be, you know, having

840
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: this talk again, and I realized I just wasn't in

841
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: a position to be able to set my ego aside.

842
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: I was so defensive and I just wanted to raid

843
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: myself of any negative commentary, and so I was in

844
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: defense mode. But because I was defending myself, I wasn't

845
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: allowing myself to accept impact for what I had done.

846
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: And I started kind of going through after the show

847
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: where I was just becoming really reflective, and I said, Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe there is some constructiveness amongst the criticism that I

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Speaker 1: can take and find my insecurities and weaknesses. Because people

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Speaker 1: are saying things about me, not all of them have

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Speaker 1: to be true, but maybe there are some things that are.

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Speaker 1: And I found out that yeah, like a lot of

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Speaker 1: my insecurities were rooted on being a people pleaser since

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Speaker 1: being a kid when I was bullied and I'd buy

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Speaker 1: dysmorphia and I was trying to please individuals. I didn't

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Speaker 1: like the way I looked physically, so I was like,

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Speaker 1: if I don't like the way I look, why would

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Speaker 1: people like me for who I am? So I attacked

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Speaker 1: my physicalness and then I started to attack the emotional

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Speaker 1: side of it. But there were things that I lacked

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Speaker 1: that were online that I saw and unknowingly I was doing.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't purposely trying to be malicious. I wasn't purposely

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Speaker 1: trying to hurt people, but I did. And so as

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Speaker 1: I became started to accept all of this, I found

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Speaker 1: this sense of peace swash over me. And I wasn't

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Speaker 1: looking at first. I was waiting for people to apologize

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Speaker 1: for me instead of just forgiving myself for what I

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Speaker 1: had done. And I started to feel this growth and

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Speaker 1: this just like anger be released. I'm like, I no

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Speaker 1: longer have to wait for someone to apologize. I will

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Speaker 1: forgive myself for that interaction. And it just started bringing

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Speaker 1: this happiness to me. And so I thought, well, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I can just share my journey as I'm going through

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Speaker 1: it with others, and if they see how I was

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Speaker 1: able to get out of this situation and I'm happier

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Speaker 1: after everything that I went through, than maybe others can

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Speaker 1: go Okay, if he can do that, I as well can. Similarly,

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Speaker 1: what you guys said earlier. That's great, and I just

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Speaker 1: I'm like, why not just share it, you know, document it,

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Speaker 1: show it to other people, and hopefully it'll get individuals

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Speaker 1: to have the conversation. Yeah, and that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: More people talk about it, the more they can relate.

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Speaker 1: I think the more that people, the less they feel alone,

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Speaker 1: the more connected they feel, and the more likely they're

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Speaker 1: able to better manage their mental health as they build

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Speaker 1: that support system. I think everybody's got insecurities too, right,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes when you're put in this situation, you don't

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Speaker 1: people don't think that you would have them right because

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Speaker 1: oh he's the best, you're guy, he did this or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So being that vulnerable, I think is a great thing

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Speaker 1: to do. Yeah. Well, we're excited about your pursuit. Be

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Speaker 1: encouraging you in your pursuit. Great things, You're up to

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Speaker 1: a lot of cool things ahead. Well, Clayton things. We're

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Speaker 1: sitting with us, Bob obviously part of the almost famous family. Um,

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Speaker 1: you're a great co host, great friend. Keep listening. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just two of my favorite bosses I've ever Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: just forced discipline and that's what makes us great. Um. Well,

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Speaker 1: with that, this has been the Almost Famous podcast I've

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Speaker 1: Been Been, I've Been Ashley. We'll talk to you very soon.

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Speaker 1: We have some great content coming your way, so hey,

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Speaker 1: keep downloading. Follow the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous

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