Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily where we were Kieran Kulkin super
Speaker 1: fans going back to down Go Zigbie in two thousand
Speaker 1: and two doubleheader year. That year for Kieren he had
Speaker 1: dangerous lives of altar boys. That was good too. Nick
Speaker 1: Took has no idea what I'm talking about, because he's
Speaker 1: not worried about any oscars. He's all ball all the time.
Speaker 1: He has been paying rent at Lucas Oil Stadium all week.
Speaker 1: How was it, Nick, You are done with the NFL
Speaker 1: scouting combine?
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only Oscar I knew this week was Oscar
Speaker 2: style and my stake at Saint Almos. She just had
Speaker 2: bang nailed it. Yeah. Upwards of thirty thirty five hours
Speaker 2: spent in Lucas Oil Stadium in the last four days.
Speaker 2: All beautiful, all magical, all worthwhile and revelatory on some days.
Speaker 3: For better or for worse.
Speaker 1: And we all discuss, you know, speaking to Almo is
Speaker 1: that I feel bad we worked shook herd. He you know,
Speaker 1: is right, And of course for the website, he's at
Speaker 1: these press conferences in the morning, then he's at the
Speaker 1: stadium for you know, six seven hours during the day,
Speaker 1: and then he tells me He actually literally left his
Speaker 1: dinner at Saint Elmos tonight to deliver this news for you.
Speaker 1: It was mostly finished.
Speaker 2: It's mostly done. It's fine, no guilt here as long
Speaker 2: as I don't guilt. But that's how much Nick took
Speaker 2: a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Uh, and we got some big news before we even
Speaker 1: get to the combine. And I really want to hear
Speaker 1: about your all combine team, and we'll talk about the
Speaker 1: last three days of drills. We we got to start
Speaker 1: with a couple of big items, a veteran news. First
Speaker 1: of all, closed the circle. It feels like it's a
Speaker 1: while ago now. But after all that Matthew Stafford talk,
Speaker 1: in the end, Matthew Stafford decides to stay home with
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams. That that came out on Friday.
Speaker 1: It was reported by our friend Jordan Rodrieg of The
Speaker 1: Athletic and Diana Rossini that Stafford and Sean McVay at
Speaker 1: he met at six thirty am Friday morning. I mean,
Speaker 1: if Stafford is getting up at what five point thirty
Speaker 1: to get over to the facility for a six thirty meeting,
Speaker 1: forget the leverage in that point, like you've already agreed
Speaker 1: to stay with the Rams, like, what what do you think?
Speaker 1: What was the difference here? In the end, he turns
Speaker 1: down reported good offers from the Raiders, who he seemed
Speaker 1: more serious with, and the Giants to wind up staying
Speaker 1: with the Rams.
Speaker 2: I think it's what we discussed earlier this week, which
Speaker 2: is at this stage in Matthew Stafford's career, you want
Speaker 2: to play to pursue championships. You want at least your
Speaker 2: best shot of team success. You don't want to spend
Speaker 2: your last year or two or three years on a
Speaker 2: bad football team and leave the NFL with a sour
Speaker 2: taste in your mouth because it ended poorly. Asked Joe Thomas,
Speaker 2: how that went not great? So I think that this
Speaker 2: was his best opportunity to do so. Yes, he could
Speaker 2: help the Raiders get out of the cellar, out of
Speaker 2: the situation they're in to a certain degree. You make
Speaker 2: some additions around him, you can get a little bit
Speaker 2: of Commander's action going same thing with the Giants.
Speaker 3: But ultimately he lives in LA. I started to get.
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers vibes when it was the Chargers move from
Speaker 2: San Diego to La and he stayed in San Diego
Speaker 2: and would take that fancy van up North.
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to leave La.
Speaker 2: He's got a beautiful situation there with a team he's
Speaker 2: known well in an offense that fits in. It made
Speaker 2: a ton of sense, and he got most of the
Speaker 2: money in the leverage play. I think that he's all
Speaker 2: we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I'm really interested. So yeah, when we left off and
Speaker 1: we take late Thursday night, we said it started to
Speaker 1: suddenly feel like it's turning back in the Rams direction,
Speaker 1: and that's what happened. I find it very interesting we
Speaker 1: have not heard the financials on this deal that in fact,
Speaker 1: our guy Ian Rappaport says it won't exactly be all
Speaker 1: finished for the next couple of weeks. Generally, when you
Speaker 1: don't hear the numbers, it is not good for the
Speaker 1: agent because the Rams don't care about putting the numbers
Speaker 1: out there. They don't want to make their player look bad.
Speaker 1: They it's not they don't really care if it's out
Speaker 1: there at all, Why would they care? And yet we
Speaker 1: know that Matthew Stafford reportedly was offered ninety to one
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars guaranteed from the Raiders and potentially the
Speaker 1: Giants as well, and so what that would have been
Speaker 1: is probably a two year deal where it was basically
Speaker 1: guaranteed forty five to fifty million dollars a year. That
Speaker 1: actually sounds about right for Matthew Stafford where he's at.
Speaker 1: I will be very interested to see what the total
Speaker 1: is from the RAMS, but what I suspect is that
Speaker 1: they didn't end up having to move much at all.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll be guaranteed money into a
Speaker 1: second year. I think Matthew Stafford, either, if you're being generous,
Speaker 1: kind of had to go through this process and get
Speaker 1: close to the cliff to realize, Man, I don't really
Speaker 1: want to do this.
Speaker 3: And and oh god, they're going to call my bluff.
Speaker 1: Oh god, Well maybe it's not even a bluff so
Speaker 1: much as like I thought, maybe i'd get sixty sixty
Speaker 1: five from the other teams year and even more money,
Speaker 1: and I didn't quite get that, or I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm being generous and thinking about just the human side
Speaker 1: of it all, like maybe you don't know how you're
Speaker 1: really gonna respond. Maybe you really do think this is bs.
Speaker 1: They're not paying me the right salary, it's not fair.
Speaker 1: But then you have to go through the process and
Speaker 1: you get to the end and that's when you can
Speaker 1: really know, Wait, I actually don't want to do this,
Speaker 1: and oh, this is unfortunate. The Rams aren't really making
Speaker 1: it work financially like I was hoping. But Sean McVay
Speaker 1: has been cool this whole time. We've talked the whole time,
Speaker 1: and that's more important to me.
Speaker 2: And the alternative is much worse, at least from a
Speaker 2: football perspective, and I think that that ultimately is what
Speaker 2: sways him towards staying with what he knows, even if
Speaker 2: he doesn't get the ultimate money that he wanted out
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good call. I'm now thinking back to
Speaker 1: that Fits and Wit podcast check that out and everything
Speaker 1: that McVeigh said on that. It was almost like a
Speaker 1: recruiting session for McVeigh to Matthew Staffer, and he even
Speaker 1: vocalized that all the mistakes he made and the Jared
Speaker 1: Goff decision, which was that they were going to make
Speaker 1: that decision anyways, I think he'd learned from that and
Speaker 1: maybe use some of those lessons and was really open
Speaker 1: and honest and both, you know, Fitzpatrick and Whitworth were
Speaker 1: saying like this is all we ever want out of
Speaker 1: coach is just be open and honest, like, if you're
Speaker 1: not going to pay us the money, at least explained
Speaker 1: to us why and be upfront about it. And maybe,
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe that podcast appearance helped keep Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1: But yeah, big swing and miss tom Brady's over two
Speaker 1: now really wanted Ben Johnson as their coach, really wanted
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford as their quarterback. I don't fault Tom Brady
Speaker 1: for this because ultimately he was kind of playing a
Speaker 1: losing hand and it would have been a little crazy
Speaker 1: for them to extend any more financially. The reports were
Speaker 1: that the Rams only wanted a second round pick and
Speaker 1: that would have gotten the deal done. So apparently that
Speaker 1: would have been the trade terms, and I don't think
Speaker 1: that was like an issue. They would have gotten like
Speaker 1: one second round pick for him just.
Speaker 2: On the surface, though, a contract of a hund million
Speaker 2: dollars over two years plus the second round pick for
Speaker 2: a guy who is north of thirty five is a lot,
Speaker 2: you think, Yeah, And I.
Speaker 1: Think one of the reasons that the Rams didn't extend
Speaker 1: further was unsaid in this entire talk about Stafford was
Speaker 1: he's coming off his worst season as a Ram.
Speaker 3: Or is most inconsistent. At least, he.
Speaker 1: Just wasn't as consistent. He was probably playing through injuries.
Speaker 1: And I think people remember the big pop up games
Speaker 1: the Bills, certainly the playoffs. The guy's always had his
Speaker 1: best when it matters most. That's worth a lot of money.
Speaker 1: But there were a lot of you know, one to
Speaker 1: five pm games against the Raiders, for instance, where they're
Speaker 1: like stuck on thirteen points the whole game. There was
Speaker 1: there was a lot more of those games this year
Speaker 1: than we've ever seen before. But for my family's sake,
Speaker 1: my daughter and my wife who were just just praying
Speaker 1: to the football gods that they were not going to
Speaker 1: have Aaron Rodgers as the Rams quarterback in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: They could live without Stafford, but they couldn't live with Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I am very happy about this move. Let's get to
Speaker 1: the big trade. The surprising move over the weekend. Deebo
Speaker 1: Samuel is a Washington commander Nick Schuck. They only gave
Speaker 1: up a fifth round pick for him. They apparently aren't
Speaker 1: going to adjust his contract. He's really got one year
Speaker 1: left on a pretty sizable contract that the forty nine
Speaker 1: Ers are eating a ton of dead money to make
Speaker 1: this move. Essentially, they're looking to do some addition by
Speaker 1: subscription subtraction and save a little bit against the cap
Speaker 1: and the Commanders at a really interesting piece for a
Speaker 1: very low price in terms of the trade haul the
Speaker 1: fifth round pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and honestly, I like the Niners have been kind
Speaker 2: of up against it financially when they have to move
Speaker 2: these pieces they have to do with the Chiefs kind
Speaker 2: of do, which is, let guys Walker move guys seventeen
Speaker 2: point four million cap number. I believe with Washington. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's affordable for them. They needed a receiver opposite term
Speaker 2: McLaurin to take this offense to the next level. I
Speaker 2: was sitting in the suite at Lucas Oil when this
Speaker 2: news came down, and you heard a bit of like
Speaker 2: a pop, a little bit of a buzz, at least
Speaker 2: in the suite, if not in the stands for the
Speaker 2: fans that were there, just because on the surface a
Speaker 2: year ago, if you had said the Niners are trading
Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel to the Commanders, it would have blown your mind.
Speaker 2: Still surprising, Yeah, and it's interesting to see how this
Speaker 2: will fit.
Speaker 3: I wasn't. Still not one hundred percent certain. I like
Speaker 3: the fit, but I like.
Speaker 2: The idea of Jaden Daniels haveing another option and then
Speaker 2: seeing what Cliff Kingsbury can do with him.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's only three wide receivers on the rosters.
Speaker 1: Luke McCaffrey is number three, Deebo's number two, Terry mclaurin's
Speaker 1: number one. They need to add another another one or
Speaker 1: two in free agency, in the draft, and they will.
Speaker 1: I think the fit's good because it's the yards after
Speaker 1: catch offense. He's very different than McLaurin. You're not asking
Speaker 1: him to be a one. You might not even be
Speaker 1: asking him to be a two. When all is said
Speaker 1: and done, he is Deebo Samuel. I have my doubts
Speaker 1: that he's the same guy that he used to be.
Speaker 1: His success rate on catches for the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: this year was way lower than he's ever had. His
Speaker 1: yard per carry as a rusher three point two yards
Speaker 1: per carry. To me, that's a sign he's not breaking tackles.
Speaker 1: He's not consistent. You he started to look old. He's
Speaker 1: taken a lot of beating. But you mentioned the cap hit.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a one year deal. And this is
Speaker 1: what can happen when you have a lot of cap space.
Speaker 1: You know how much cap space they still have nick after.
Speaker 3: They had they had somewhere in the sixties prior to this.
Speaker 1: They still still have sixty because they moved some around
Speaker 1: even before it. They have sixty four million dollars after
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel, So that's perfect. That's that's what cap space
Speaker 1: is for, is one year deals. You're overpaying a little
Speaker 1: bit for a guy that you think might get really
Speaker 1: motivated in this new setting and could be perfect with
Speaker 1: our young quarterback. And I actually think it's a good
Speaker 1: offense for him because it's an offense where you're not
Speaker 1: asking every wide receiver to be like a great route runner.
Speaker 2: No. I mean they were relying on Deanni Brown last
Speaker 2: year and a lot of days a keys like this guy,
Speaker 2: you can already move upwards, like the standard was pretty
Speaker 2: low outside of McLaurin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're absolutely right there. And I really thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting if you go back to what John
Speaker 1: Lynch said earlier this week. Number one. He mentioned how
Speaker 1: their second in cash spending since John Lynch arrived and
Speaker 1: their fourth in cash spending over the last four years
Speaker 1: and at some point you have to reset and start
Speaker 1: to get younger. And I'm thinking, oh, that's that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: That was before this trade. He's already saying, hey, we
Speaker 1: might not spend as much money. Then we get reports
Speaker 1: that Ian Rappaport has that they're listing on trades to
Speaker 1: Brandon Nayuk, the same guy who just had a holdout,
Speaker 1: and then they gave all this money for and it
Speaker 1: would be very complicated because they would take a lot
Speaker 1: more dead money to trade brand than Nayuk. That really
Speaker 1: says to me they regret that contract. He's coming off
Speaker 1: of torn acl So I don't know if that mark
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen, but that's really interesting. Right now without Deebo,
Speaker 1: they have Juwan Jennings and they have their first round
Speaker 1: pick from a year ago. Ricky Piersoll that they're listening
Speaker 1: on Nayuk.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean I honestly, when they did the
Speaker 2: deal and it was so prolonged, it was so dramatic.
Speaker 2: There were trade talks with the Browns and the Steelers
Speaker 2: and god knows who else wants a receiver who I
Speaker 2: felt wasn't worth that money to begin with. Injury aside.
Speaker 2: That just makes the matter even more complicated for them
Speaker 2: because you have to count on him coming back from it. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was kind of early in the season enough to
Speaker 2: think that he may be able to come back. But
Speaker 2: what you realize is that it was a bad investment
Speaker 2: pretty quickly, alright, And it hurts because you were I
Speaker 2: would say you were bullied into it, but you were
Speaker 2: kind of slowly dragged into it, like they just like
Speaker 2: bent back each toenail until you finally gave in and
Speaker 2: gave him the money.
Speaker 3: And now they're paying for it.
Speaker 2: But it's a weird moment of transition for them because
Speaker 2: if I doing this team itself is difficult because of
Speaker 2: all the injuries they suffered last year, Like how close
Speaker 2: are they they have to play paybrock Purty soon. What
Speaker 2: are they exactly trying to be? Is this the fluid
Speaker 2: rebuild of sorts or the transitional year that the Eagles
Speaker 2: undertook with how he rosen a few years back to
Speaker 2: let them two Super Bowl appearances in three years. Who knows,
Speaker 2: We'll see, but's it's definitely outside of the realm of
Speaker 2: usual business for them right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really weird. There's actually not many forty nine
Speaker 1: ers left from the twenty nineteen team that made the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. No, I saw it, tweeted out, it's Warner,
Speaker 1: it's Bosa, it's use Check, it's Wishnowski, and it's George Kittle,
Speaker 1: and I think that's funny. Baby. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: the entire list. So that's a team that's changing. And
Speaker 1: man that I thought the contract for Ayuk made sense
Speaker 1: at the time, but there was something weird going on
Speaker 1: there personally between him and the team, and that affected
Speaker 1: him and he did not look right and then he
Speaker 1: got injured. And man, Kyle Shanahan, those guys are tough
Speaker 1: on wide receivers and they seem ready to blow up
Speaker 1: the whole thing. So more on the space later. By
Speaker 1: the way, Rams, I should have mentioned they signed the
Speaker 1: biggest contract of the weekend was Alec Jackson, the left
Speaker 1: tackle top forty on my free agency list and one
Speaker 1: of the top tackles that was going to be available.
Speaker 1: So the money that they kind of save in theory
Speaker 1: by keeping Stafford for like a reasonable you know price, Hey, here,
Speaker 1: we're gonna help out. We're gonna we're gonna keep your
Speaker 1: left tackle. And yeah, the Rams now kind of re enter,
Speaker 1: you know, super Bowl contention status with Stafford there, Whereas
Speaker 1: you know the other teams that are looking for quarterbacks, Raiders, Giants,
Speaker 1: they're they're looking at the leftovers, which right now are Rogers, Darnold,
Speaker 1: justin Field, Russell Wilson. That crew so very very good.
Speaker 3: Way, it's way worse. You gotta keep going. It gets
Speaker 3: way worse.
Speaker 1: Yes, you got a very good weekend for the Rams
Speaker 1: there too. That was a good big bit of business.
Speaker 1: It was three years for under sixty million dollars for
Speaker 1: a starting left tackle that you like that you know that.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good and a great deal for Alaric Jackson
Speaker 1: who was an undrafted free agent too. The last big
Speaker 1: item in the news was also from our guy rap sheet.
Speaker 1: Good good week for rap sheet. I think in the
Speaker 1: end history will look back finally on him. The Jets
Speaker 1: are expected to cut DeVante Adams if they are not
Speaker 1: able to trade him. Kind of just confirms what we've
Speaker 1: been talking about, to be honest, So we were ahead
Speaker 1: of this story, but nice, it's nice to get confirmation.
Speaker 1: We'll see if a team wants to give up a
Speaker 1: pick for him, but he has a huge salary something
Speaker 1: like thirty two million dollars this year, So it's not
Speaker 1: like Deebo Samuel where it's a cheap one year. It'd
Speaker 1: be a very expensive one year. I think he's somewhat
Speaker 1: likely to get cut unless unless he can work out
Speaker 1: a contract with a new team that lowers that number.
Speaker 2: The cap number, according to over the Cap thirty eight
Speaker 2: point twenty five million. That's a lot for a guy
Speaker 2: going into the age thirty three season and you don't
Speaker 2: know what you're doing at quarterback right now. You traded
Speaker 2: for him because you were trying to help Rogers out
Speaker 2: and make him happy after he threw Mike Williams under
Speaker 2: the bus.
Speaker 3: The reason for.
Speaker 2: Him to be on the team no longer exists because
Speaker 2: you're moving on. So you felt like this was going
Speaker 2: to happen one way or another. You just thought that
Speaker 2: maybe they could trade him, and maybe they still will,
Speaker 2: but again, the alternative of the cut was always on
Speaker 2: the table. It's interesting because according to over the Cap,
Speaker 2: if you look at his contract in the way it
Speaker 2: is right now, if they were to trade him or
Speaker 2: cut him before June first, they're only taking on eight
Speaker 2: million in dead cap.
Speaker 3: You do it as a.
Speaker 2: Post first June first, and they clear almost all that money.
Speaker 2: Then they have two million in dead caps, So it
Speaker 2: makes sense financially, it makes sense roster wise overall entirely,
Speaker 2: it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. And yet I don't know. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna through a question. You would you rather have twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five DeVante Adams or Amari Cooper?
Speaker 3: I would have Adams.
Speaker 1: Would you rather have Adams or Chris Godwin coming off
Speaker 1: of a big.
Speaker 2: The Goblin injury happened, but like Week eight Godwin, Okay,
Speaker 2: you can get him a couple of years too.
Speaker 1: He's finally high up on my top one on one
Speaker 1: if he gets cut, like, he's pretty much the best
Speaker 1: wide receiver available because he's a true starting receiver. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna get the money that he used
Speaker 1: to get. But he's not Stefan Diggs coming off in
Speaker 1: ACL you know he's not. He's not Diami Brown. He's
Speaker 1: not one of these other guys that are available. T
Speaker 1: Higgins is not gonna be available. So he will be
Speaker 1: a very interesting free agent. I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: I need some juice on that free agent list, frankly,
Speaker 1: and so I'm excited about it. Just a couple other
Speaker 1: items I'll speed through. We'll take a break, and then
Speaker 1: we'll get to the combine talk. The Raiders are looking
Speaker 1: to potentially trade Michael Mayer. That was a little bit
Speaker 1: of a surprise second round pick who I thought played
Speaker 1: fairly well a year ago. But it's a new regime.
Speaker 1: That is from our friends at the Athletic Vic Taffer
Speaker 1: and to Sean Reid to Sean Reid's going to join
Speaker 1: the show later in the week. So there's a young,
Speaker 1: pretty good tight end. I think you could probably get
Speaker 1: for like a fourth round pick right now, not a
Speaker 1: crazy idea. Zamir White is also potentially available. And then
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are reportedly going to tag Osa Adigazua at
Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars if they can't get a deal done.
Speaker 1: There were reports in Dallas that they were very close
Speaker 1: to a deal. It't hasn't happened yet and so he
Speaker 1: is not going anywhere. That's a big number. Another reminder,
Speaker 1: get your contracts done early, till the last second you
Speaker 1: start playing. Ohsa Digiza twenty five million dollars.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean after they were quiet last offseason. Sometimes
Speaker 2: they're kind of making up for lost time. Across the
Speaker 2: board here with this team, So it makes sense to
Speaker 2: not let another guy leave, especially with a team that
Speaker 2: could use some help in their front seven. Really, so
Speaker 2: it makes sense to bring him back. I also think
Speaker 2: he's a quality player, maybe not worth that type of money,
Speaker 2: but if you can't get a deal done, you use
Speaker 2: That's why the franchise tag exists to back yourself up.
Speaker 2: But on the on the Raiders start real quick with
Speaker 2: Zamir White and Michael Mahyer, two guys that the previous
Speaker 2: regime brought in that never lived up to expectation. Mayor
Speaker 2: dealt with some off field stuff, some personal matters before
Speaker 2: he came back and was, you know, a little bit better.
Speaker 3: But then they got brock Bowers.
Speaker 2: They don't need a second tight end, and Zamir was
Speaker 2: like the succession planned to Josh Jacobs and the new
Speaker 2: regime comes in and.
Speaker 3: Like not blow that up too.
Speaker 2: So like transition, when you get a new coach in
Speaker 2: new GM, things like this tend to follow. These are
Speaker 2: the dominoes that fall afterward.
Speaker 1: Well, how about how about three and four years? You
Speaker 1: know it was it wasn't that long ago that it
Speaker 1: was Mayock and Gruden. Yeah, you know, it's like he
Speaker 1: was drafted by Mayock. It was Mayok and Gruden and
Speaker 1: then and then it flips up and it flips up again.
Speaker 1: I really liked John Spytech, having having met him, but
Speaker 1: also just what I hear about him around the league.
Speaker 1: He was He was a great guest on the show.
Speaker 1: I think they have the right people to turn around,
Speaker 1: but it does not mean it's going to be easy. Uh.
Speaker 1: What is easy is knowing who to call, uh when
Speaker 1: you want to talk all combined team. We're going to
Speaker 1: do that. After the break back on NFL Daily, Daniel
Speaker 1: Jeremiah let loose the news that we're we're dropping a
Speaker 1: new Draft season only podcast, Me and DJ ME and
Speaker 1: Move the Sticks coming out later this week Forties and
Speaker 1: free Agents. Forties in free Agents because you know what
Speaker 1: people need is more podcasts from me. Uh So that's
Speaker 1: coming up later this week, and that's come binding. The
Speaker 1: draft and free agency my favorite time of year. And
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, who's been in Lucas Oil Stadium
Speaker 1: even more than Daniel Jeremiah. It's our guy Nick Shook.
Speaker 1: He's grinding the in person all twenty two and he's
Speaker 1: going to tell us who he liked best. Let's go
Speaker 1: through the skill positions to start, and I know some
Speaker 1: of them are disappointing, so I want to I want
Speaker 1: to start with some positive news. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: running backs. Running backs are back shook. You give me
Speaker 1: one or two of your guys that you especially like,
Speaker 1: but man, this running back class is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a huge promise in a lot of these guys,
Speaker 2: a lot of guys who tested very well. I picked
Speaker 2: Quinhawn Judkins as one of my running backs because of
Speaker 2: how it looked, how good he looked in the passing game.
Speaker 2: He's like an artist when it comes to running routes.
Speaker 1: As a point, one of the two Ohio state running
Speaker 1: backs that we'll get taken top fifty, I would say.
Speaker 2: It, and we did not see Trevion Henderson in a comparison.
Speaker 2: Beyond that, Travion didn't do the drills, Judkins did and
Speaker 2: he looked fantastic in those areas. He also was largely
Speaker 2: solid in the running drills save for the deuce daily
Speaker 2: drill where he got a little caught in the bag.
Speaker 2: So he looked complete. Trevor etn. I think he just
Speaker 2: looks like a guy who is a pro. You know
Speaker 2: his lineage, you know, having an older brother in the league,
Speaker 2: coming from Georgia, He's been prepared accordingly, and I thought
Speaker 2: he handled the drills well.
Speaker 3: Testing landed him.
Speaker 2: In the Elite category as well at the Next Gen
Speaker 2: Stats Athletics as a score of ninety, so complete picture
Speaker 2: there as well. And then we also had bash Ol
Speaker 2: Tutin from Virginia Tech, a name that people probably don't know.
Speaker 2: I was largely unfamiliar because I'm not a Hoky fan
Speaker 2: that you know myself, not a big acc football guy.
Speaker 2: But he came out there and blew the doors off
Speaker 2: of the testing four three to two second forty jump,
Speaker 2: forty and a half inches in the vert ten foot
Speaker 2: ten broad jump. His numbers were crazy. And then he
Speaker 2: went out there and had solid work on the field
Speaker 2: as well. So those were my top three. I also
Speaker 2: liked Dylan Sampson from Tennessee kind of looks like the pro.
Speaker 2: Jaden Blue put down a super fast forty time as well,
Speaker 2: the running back from Texas, and Dovid Edwards tested well.
Speaker 2: Some things in the drills I didn't like that much.
Speaker 2: Kind of lended itself to how he kind of lost
Speaker 2: his job at Michigan this past year. But we'll see
Speaker 2: what happens because gms and scouts loved the testing results.
Speaker 2: When when that when you see the numbers, you think
Speaker 2: we can make something out of that.
Speaker 1: Guy.
Speaker 2: R J.
Speaker 3: Harvey another running back from use there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many. They literally were all running for
Speaker 1: four for four.
Speaker 2: To four two. Yeah, it was farious thing. They showed
Speaker 2: the board and it was just like it was just
Speaker 2: seconds different.
Speaker 1: And they're huge too. Like you went through all these
Speaker 1: guys and I and I would never push back on
Speaker 1: like where's my guy? And maybe he didn't do the drills?
Speaker 1: Actually a Marion Hampton, he did not do did he
Speaker 1: do the drills? He did?
Speaker 2: He tested like crazy and he's got a lot of juice,
Speaker 2: a lot of buzz for those who are paying attention
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 3: I didn't like his workout.
Speaker 2: I thought his workout was just a little sloppy in
Speaker 2: some of the drills that he did. That's things that
Speaker 2: can be fixed. And again gms and scouts get on
Speaker 2: board with he has the physical traits, we can fix
Speaker 2: the rest of that and code good coaching can So
Speaker 2: I wouldn't overlook him just in picking all combine team
Speaker 2: performance here the drills didn't stack up for.
Speaker 1: Me and did in Travion Henderson, I believe ran the forty,
Speaker 1: but he didn't do anything. That's another big boy and
Speaker 1: that what I mean. Okay, Hampton didn't like look great
Speaker 1: in the drills, but he finishes forty three out of
Speaker 1: about nineteen hundred running backs and relative athletics score. He
Speaker 1: is a five eleven, two hundred and twenty one pound
Speaker 1: man who who can run a low four to four.
Speaker 1: It's just like man. This running back class is one
Speaker 1: of the best of the last five or six years,
Speaker 1: maybe the best since that Joe Mixon, Christian McCaffrey, Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook class. So it's going to be really exciting to
Speaker 1: see where these guys go. A lot of them will
Speaker 1: go in the top sixty picks, which is new for
Speaker 1: running backs.
Speaker 2: All right, and I'll take you this too before we
Speaker 2: move on to the next position group. With Tuton, we're
Speaker 2: on the street. He's gaining some serious attention. So keep
Speaker 2: his name on your radar as somebody who goes earlier
Speaker 2: than expected. Not saying he's the first round pick or
Speaker 2: anything like that, but just when his name flashes in April,
Speaker 2: don't be surprised if it's earlier than you anticipated.
Speaker 1: He blew up the combine. It's funny that Etm the second,
Speaker 1: the second brother, who was definitely helped by his combine performance,
Speaker 1: that that helped Travis rock rocket up the boards. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go to the maybe the more disappointing
Speaker 1: part of the weekend, and we don't have to focus
Speaker 1: on the negative. But I guess let's let's combine them together.
Speaker 1: We can just talk quarterbacks and wide receivers and have
Speaker 1: a conversation there. I know a lot of the certainly
Speaker 1: the top quarterbacks didn't throw. I know you weren't thrilled
Speaker 1: with the wide receiver drills. Though, give me, give me
Speaker 1: the guys. Let's start with the positive that that you
Speaker 1: did enjoy watching from those two groups.
Speaker 2: So cam Orden Shaud or Shan Sanders did not participate,
Speaker 2: they watched. So it left an opportunity for a lot
Speaker 2: of guys who had questions to answer to come out
Speaker 2: there and try to answer those questions. And none of
Speaker 2: them really did. Nobody put together a complete performance. And
Speaker 2: maybe my evaluation is a little bit skewed because it
Speaker 2: wasn't that long ago that I was sitting in basically
Speaker 2: the same seat in that stadium watching CJ. Stroud put
Speaker 2: together a remarkable performance throwing on air. These guys just
Speaker 2: weren't consistent throughout the different routes. Some guys were good
Speaker 2: on short routes like Jalen Milroe, great on running the
Speaker 2: whip right, like tossing the ball to a route where
Speaker 2: a receiver runs in and cuts back out toward the sideline.
Speaker 2: Accurate there, Accurate on the slants. Didn't once the ball
Speaker 2: moved downfield, it was hit or missed because the deep
Speaker 2: corner he sails like three over the guy's head. The
Speaker 2: sale route, he's missing guys, but receivers are also not
Speaker 2: running routes to the right spot, so it was a
Speaker 2: difficult evaluation. He looks good in the deep ball and
Speaker 2: we knew he has that arm, but the dig for example,
Speaker 2: doesn't trust like drops back, hits the back of his drop,
Speaker 2: steps up and wants to throw before the receiver is
Speaker 2: starting to hit his brake, and you could tell he
Speaker 2: struggled with that. Will Howard was all over the place,
Speaker 2: not surprised, but was all over the place. Kyle McCord
Speaker 2: kind of good, but low ceiling quinn Ewers I don't
Speaker 2: know what's going on with his arm, but the oh
Speaker 2: my god, a lack of velocity seth hen again from Memphis.
Speaker 1: Often the broadcast was trying to give Quinn. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, not good.
Speaker 3: It wasn't good. I'm sorry. I'm sitting there and it
Speaker 3: wasn't good.
Speaker 2: Inaccurate, not a sirking throw, not good, not a good
Speaker 2: just lack of velocity. The whole thing, Hen again from
Speaker 2: Memphis was like lofting balls early but then showed some
Speaker 2: arm strength downfield later. Just a very weird group overall,
Speaker 2: where Jackson Dart had some moments where I'm like, I
Speaker 2: can see it, then the other moments where he missed guys.
Speaker 2: Tyler Schuck started strong, didn't finish as strongly as I
Speaker 2: would like him too, but I could see the vision there.
Speaker 2: He's a natural thrower, the kid from Brosmer Max Brosmer.
Speaker 2: I love his delivery, very short, compact, whip like, but
Speaker 2: missed some throws later in there. But again the receivers
Speaker 2: were dropping passes left and right. They weren't running the
Speaker 2: best routes. There was no separation in that group either,
Speaker 2: so it was really tough to have valued or at
Speaker 2: least give positive marks to a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the takeaway is just no orderback stamped themselves.
Speaker 2: You know who was the most consistent, Greg Brady Cook
Speaker 2: from Missouri.
Speaker 3: That's who made my team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not gonna get drafted. I Jackson Dart, Like
Speaker 1: there's a whole Jackson Dart mafia out there. I'm not
Speaker 1: totally sure why. Just whatever he getting, he's getting the
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts comp which is not a bad comp to
Speaker 1: have for a physically talented but somewhat limited guy that
Speaker 1: that people believe in, that will improve as a pro.
Speaker 1: But if you're looking for him to have a rocket
Speaker 1: ship past where Jalen Hurts got drafted, which is you know,
Speaker 1: late second, I don't think it's happened. Yeah, a couple
Speaker 1: other quick quarterback things before you know, we go to
Speaker 1: the receivers. Is just I think consensus finally caught up
Speaker 1: to how the media was talking about it. Was like
Speaker 1: how the teams all along probably were re viewing it,
Speaker 1: which is Shudry Sanders is not looked at I think
Speaker 1: as like a close prospect to cam Ward that I
Speaker 1: think conventional wisdom is going to be. There's a decent
Speaker 1: chance cam Wards still goes number one, whether it's to
Speaker 1: the Titans or a team trading up, and that he
Speaker 1: is not going to fall, you know, past the first
Speaker 1: couple of picks, because he's a really intriguing quarterback prospect
Speaker 1: and that Sugar Sanders is just not at that level
Speaker 1: as a quarterback prospect. That and that's fine, Like he
Speaker 1: still might go top ten, he might go in the
Speaker 1: first round, he might go top twenty, but that there's
Speaker 1: there's a gap. I think most teams view there as
Speaker 1: a gap, and it just there is a logical grap
Speaker 1: And then the other funny note I thought was a
Speaker 1: Jalen Milro's hand size grew significantly between the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: and the NFL scouting combine, like almost like half of
Speaker 1: I think it was like three ace of an inch
Speaker 1: or something that like it grew, I don't know, just
Speaker 1: doing stretching exercise. It just shows how silly this whole thing.
Speaker 1: I think he had sub nine inch hands at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, which is like smaller than Jared Goff, which
Speaker 1: he's sort of the benchmark of like quite quite small hands.
Speaker 1: And his hands grew quite a bit, which really made
Speaker 1: me laugh. Give me, give me a couple of wide
Speaker 1: receivers that stood out to you the best, because we
Speaker 1: did have while we didn't have Tech McMillan, who might
Speaker 1: be the favorite to be the first wide receiver off
Speaker 1: the board. He's from Arizona, big, strong looking, number one
Speaker 1: type of receiver. There's some word that he might not
Speaker 1: even run at his pro day, which is like, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: We did have more of the first round type of
Speaker 1: receivers run and work out. Who were your favorites? Doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be from the first round category.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't get a Mecca, a Buca either, and
Speaker 2: so that kind of left us with a class that
Speaker 2: like the next couple of guys headlining it are like
Speaker 2: Luther Burden from Missouri, an unused player at Missouri who
Speaker 2: is a playmaker, but they had a revolving dor at quarterback.
Speaker 3: And you know, like I mentioned.
Speaker 2: Cook, but Cook got hurt during the season, so it
Speaker 2: was an inconsistent situation for him and his a struggle
Speaker 2: for him to produce. I felt as if he kind of,
Speaker 2: like when I talked running backs, looked like a pro,
Speaker 2: Like he he ran the gauntlet really really smooth, like
Speaker 2: tight to the line, catches were effortless, very natural.
Speaker 1: The little tracers they have on Network, it was beautiful
Speaker 1: when you were watching. When you were watching him, he
Speaker 1: does look like a pro Luther Burden from My Man knows.
Speaker 2: How to color inside the lines, and he certainly did
Speaker 2: at the combine. He didn't do the full battery of testing,
Speaker 2: but he threw it down a four four, one of
Speaker 2: the forty that basically checks the box for him.
Speaker 3: So he's on my list.
Speaker 2: And then it got kind of murky because a lot
Speaker 2: of these guys who ran well didn't participate in the drills,
Speaker 2: like Matthew Golden from Texas, or guys who did run
Speaker 2: well were very up and down, like Jalen Lane for
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech, Jalen Noel from Iowa State.
Speaker 3: So I got caught in this in between.
Speaker 2: Ground where I was like, I kind of have to
Speaker 2: lean toward guys who tested good, like well enough and
Speaker 2: looked consistent enough.
Speaker 1: I've got a candidate for you. Go ahead, how about
Speaker 1: Jalen Newell's college teammate from Iowa State, Jaden Higgins.
Speaker 2: Yes, now he's on my Honorable mentions list. He was
Speaker 2: kissed to making the top three.
Speaker 1: Yes, when they showed the Nicocollins comp. I was in six'
Speaker 1: four two fourteen check some, boxes very good times for his,
Speaker 1: size you, know a very good athletics, score looks pretty
Speaker 1: good in the. Drills to my, eye that to me
Speaker 1: is a guy with a decent, floor but like A
Speaker 1: Nico collins maybe has a nice. Ceiling someone viewed as, like,
Speaker 1: YEAH i don't, know maybe he's a, second maybe he's a.
Speaker 1: Third we'll see. That that sort of talent to me
Speaker 1: seems like a very intriguing second round type of.
Speaker 2: Player, Yeah and that's WHY i end up with the honorable,
Speaker 2: mentions just because WHEN i do this AND i go
Speaker 2: back through my notes like, that in some, years guys
Speaker 2: pop AND i know halfway through the, drills after looking at,
Speaker 2: Testing i'm, like that guy's gonna be on the. Team
Speaker 2: we didn't have those separation guys this year, necessarily so
Speaker 2: we had to kind of dig. Deeper So jim RAY,
Speaker 2: dk the receiver From, florida he made my squad for
Speaker 2: the same reason That Isaac tislaw From arkansas, did which
Speaker 2: is they tested well and they had the most consistent
Speaker 2: workouts to Where i'm watching them move And i'm, Thinking,
Speaker 2: OKAY i can see at the next. LEVEL i can
Speaker 2: see this guy being a producer of. Sorts they just
Speaker 2: kind of kept popping up over and over. Again they'd
Speaker 2: make a nice grab, here they'd run this route, well
Speaker 2: they'd run this drill. Well they never looked. Overwhelmed but
Speaker 2: the ceiling in general with this class was just lower
Speaker 2: because nobody popped like in past years like A CD
Speaker 2: lamb for, example or you, know you could run a Tank.
Speaker 2: Dell there's no Tank dell in this group that performed
Speaker 2: in these. Workouts interress THAT i was taken aback by
Speaker 2: watching them run their routes this time. Around so a
Speaker 2: lot of similar, guys AND i think if you're in
Speaker 2: the market for a, receiver if you're not in a
Speaker 2: position to take A teed, McMillan or in a mecca
Speaker 2: a buka who's just going to live in the slot
Speaker 2: in THE nfl, abuka then you're in a tough spot
Speaker 2: where you can wait and hope for the.
Speaker 1: Best for some of these, guys, well you Mentioned Matthew
Speaker 1: golden From. Texas he ran a four to, nine one
Speaker 1: of the fastest times ever for a guy who's over
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety, pounds which is you, know a
Speaker 1: self selecting cutoff because he's he's about that, size but
Speaker 1: he's a guy with that sort of. Speed wouldn't be
Speaker 1: shocking if he snuck into the first round Like Xavier
Speaker 1: worthy a year, ago because he has pretty good tape
Speaker 1: in production as a college player, too he was already
Speaker 1: maybe in that Group Jalen noel who you, mentioned the top,
Speaker 1: broad the top. Vert so certainly people who help, themselves
Speaker 1: but maybe not an amazing you, know wide receiver. CLASS
Speaker 1: i still Like Tesz, johnson who happens to be under
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty pounds and ran a slow forty
Speaker 1: but he had insane three cone and insane shuttle, time
Speaker 1: so all in the eye of the. Beholder WHEN i watched,
Speaker 1: HIM i, thought, like that guy is A rams. TYPE
Speaker 1: i could absolutely see him because they love the three,
Speaker 1: cone they love the. Shuttle they don't they don't mind a.
Speaker 2: Little, guys they could live between zero and twelve, yards
Speaker 2: win with instant, separation and then run after the.
Speaker 1: Catch, yes he could be like a better version of
Speaker 1: two two at, Well so who. Knows let's wrap. UP
Speaker 1: i guess the skill position. Groups we didn't talk tight ends.
Speaker 1: Yet Now Friday night seems so long. Ago to me
Speaker 1: WHEN i Watched Mason, taylor he just looks so. Clean
Speaker 1: he just looks like the guy that you're. LIKE i
Speaker 1: don't know if he's going to be An All, pro
Speaker 1: but he will be in the league eight or nine.
Speaker 1: Years did he make Your All combine?
Speaker 3: Team he's an honorable?
Speaker 2: Mention, okay now that this was a couple of days,
Speaker 2: AGO i can't remember if it was because the testing
Speaker 2: wasn't quite, there if it just didn't pop up that
Speaker 2: thing was like, fine, yeah BECAUSE i think his workout
Speaker 2: was very. Solid he looked very much like a pro ready,
Speaker 2: guy so it had to be ethic testing with. Him
Speaker 2: now That i'm thinking back about, it my top two,
Speaker 2: guys this was actually. TOUGH i think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of talent in this tight end. Class there's a lot
Speaker 2: of guys that are similarly affected that might look like different.
Speaker 2: Molds Like Harold fannin From Bowling green reminds me Of
Speaker 2: Isaiah likely and had some really nice moments in his,
Speaker 2: workout AND i think he put.
Speaker 3: Together a good overall.
Speaker 2: DAY. Cj duprey From alabama looks like a pro ready
Speaker 2: tight end who just does everything pretty. Well jake Brining
Speaker 2: stole From clemson kept putting together good reps down the
Speaker 2: field during the. Drills so we got a lot of
Speaker 2: those types of, Guys but the guys that ended up
Speaker 2: on top of my list Were Terrence ferguson From, oregon
Speaker 2: who just looks like a, smooth silky athlete at tight,
Speaker 2: end the modern tight end kind of exemplified in this.
Speaker 1: A little bit of a late riser Potentially let's.
Speaker 2: And then we also Had Joshua simon From South, carolina
Speaker 2: who IS i think just gonna be, Fantastic like he
Speaker 2: just he's, big he's a, unit and he moves, well
Speaker 2: he's not, slow he's super, athletic and throughout his WORKOUT
Speaker 2: i was just, like, damn this is a good, Player
Speaker 2: like this is the modern tight end who's going to
Speaker 2: come into THE nfl and make a difference for the right.
Speaker 2: TEAM i don't know IF i would call him like
Speaker 2: a like maybe A Gerald everett who was always a
Speaker 2: super athletic but inconsistent tight, end but a guy WHO
Speaker 2: i think just has a very high ceiling in the right.
Speaker 1: Situation Jerald everetts still catching them. CHECKS i, MEAN i, know,
Speaker 1: yes he's still getting it. Done so most of these
Speaker 1: guys would take that career even if that doesn't get you.
Speaker 1: Through it's funny now as we're going finishing the combine,
Speaker 1: HERE i kind of am realizing why people are going
Speaker 1: wild for this. Class and granted we saw more people
Speaker 1: sit out the combine than ever, well but here's, why
Speaker 1: because here are the classes that are. Awesome the running
Speaker 1: back class is. Awesome it's just not as sexy a
Speaker 1: position as it used to, be even though it should.
Speaker 1: Be the tight end class is. Awesome tackle class had
Speaker 1: like fourteen more people invited to the combine than a year,
Speaker 1: ago so it's very deep at like defensive, tackle.
Speaker 3: And the top guys didn't really. Participate mid round.
Speaker 1: Guards it's very deep like interior, line, yes running, back tight.
Speaker 1: End so it's a meat and potatoes type of. Draft
Speaker 1: And i'm glad you Mentioned Harold. Fannon if you guys
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast they did With Nate, tice really
Speaker 1: a fascinating player That i've gone to school on over
Speaker 1: the lot over the weekend and started watching, him AND
Speaker 1: i think this was a big weekend for him because
Speaker 1: people just weren't sure if he was going to be
Speaker 1: athletic or, not and he's a big, dude and he tested,
Speaker 1: well like he had a good enough, forty very good,
Speaker 1: forty and very good in the in the three cone
Speaker 1: and the short, shuttle and SO i think he's someone's, Like,
Speaker 1: okay he passes the benchmarks of what we want for
Speaker 1: AN nfl tight, end and now he could be a
Speaker 1: guy where, man a lot of these tight ends are
Speaker 1: going to GO i think in round two and certainly
Speaker 1: round three And, Hill.
Speaker 3: Yeah we're going to see a number of.
Speaker 2: Them and he would have made my team if his
Speaker 2: on field workout was just a little bit more. Consistent
Speaker 2: there were moments WHERE i was, like LIKE i went
Speaker 2: into it being like every once in a, WHILE i
Speaker 2: see a guy Where i'm, Like, GOD i really hope
Speaker 2: you crushed this BECAUSE i want to put you on
Speaker 2: the team BECAUSE i see your.
Speaker 3: Potential and he's one of those.
Speaker 2: Guys it's just that other guys usurped him with their
Speaker 2: on field.
Speaker 1: Performance, Okay, well let's wrap up the offense with the
Speaker 1: guys that did the workouts On. Sunday your last day
Speaker 1: was about the big boys the offensive line who cut your.
Speaker 2: Eye my last day is the best day because this
Speaker 2: is my. Wheelhouse, baby all about the, trenches and there
Speaker 2: is a lot of talent to work, with especially in
Speaker 2: the interior offensive. Line my center Is Jared wilson From.
Speaker 2: Georgia he is an athletic. Freak ninety nine the highest
Speaker 2: score you can get in next GEN stas athleticism score
Speaker 2: based on how he tested four eight four. Forty the
Speaker 2: only interior lineman for a second, no the only interior
Speaker 2: lineman to break twenty one miles per. Hour third fastest
Speaker 2: speed by an offensive lineman top speed twenty one point
Speaker 2: zero four miles per over the last three. Years so
Speaker 2: he started hot, right and then he goes post thirty
Speaker 2: two inch vert nine to four broad, jump did it
Speaker 2: all at three hundred and ten.
Speaker 3: Pounds and then he.
Speaker 2: Goes on the field and looks exactly the, Part like
Speaker 2: this is a guy that you could plug into like
Speaker 2: An eagles run scheme or another scheme LIKE i think
Speaker 2: about back four or five years, ago The stefanski wide
Speaker 2: zone scheme In, minnesota where like you need a guy
Speaker 2: to get to second level and make a consistent impact
Speaker 2: and do it with athleticism and strength and. Power this
Speaker 2: is the, Guy this is the center in the. DRAFT
Speaker 2: i was totally impressed by. Him every rep was. Good
Speaker 2: there's a ton of burst in spring in his. Steps
Speaker 2: he has wildly, light light, feet like featherweight. Feet so
Speaker 2: taken aback by how good he. Was so that's my.
Speaker 1: CENTER i should have started with offensive linemen because it
Speaker 1: just brings out the you, know the shine In shooky's.
Speaker 1: Eyes oh you, know we should have opened with, this all,
Speaker 1: right go with your second.
Speaker 2: One sunday is the best day because it's the shortest
Speaker 2: and it's my favorite position. Group then we go to.
Speaker 2: GUARD a lot of talent at. Guard i'm telling, you
Speaker 2: interior offensive, line there's a ton of value. HERE i
Speaker 2: ACTUALLY i had a really hard time picking between these.
Speaker 2: Guys gray's abel came in with a lot of pop
Speaker 2: from The Senior. Bowl didn't quite look as consistent AS
Speaker 2: i want him to be tested, well but didn't quite
Speaker 2: look as consistent on the, Field so he ends up
Speaker 2: in the honorable.
Speaker 1: Mentions joshua six inch, vertical by the, way, yes like
Speaker 1: a guard is kind of a.
Speaker 2: Freak there's some things missing from his. Game but the
Speaker 2: WAY i characterized it to the guy sitting in the
Speaker 2: suite with me today was that you put him in
Speaker 2: a phone booth he's winning that battle every. Time it's
Speaker 2: just that some of the other situations made Like North Dakota,
Speaker 2: state he ended up playing some tackle like it's hard
Speaker 2: to figure out exactly where he's gona. Play he's gonna
Speaker 2: be the interior. Lineman he could be a, center but
Speaker 2: you put him in that phone. Booth he's going to
Speaker 2: win as a bit of a brawler who's very. Agile Joshua,
Speaker 2: gray the guard From Oregon, state moves phenomenally. WELL i
Speaker 2: think he's going to have a great career ahead of
Speaker 2: him as. WELL i also Realized georgia was freaking loaded
Speaker 2: at offensive line BECAUSE i had a bunch Of georgia
Speaker 2: guys end up in the honorable mentions or on this.
Speaker 2: List we Had Dylan Fairchild Xavier trusts both on my honorable,
Speaker 2: mentions and THEN i also Picked Tate, ratledge.
Speaker 3: The guard From.
Speaker 2: Georgia who you to talk about a guy who can
Speaker 2: Move and maybe you Say i'm over valuing, movement but guess,
Speaker 2: what in TODAY'S, nfl you can't just be a brawler
Speaker 2: at the first. Level you got to get to the
Speaker 2: second level or really make a difference in the run.
Speaker 2: Game go look at The eagles go look At Saquon.
Speaker 2: Barkley that's why they. Succeeded And Tate ratledge is that
Speaker 2: guy at. Guard he is just so. Swift he's six,' six,
Speaker 2: he's huge and yet. He moves he's three hundred, eight
Speaker 2: pounds but he moves like he weighs two eighty and
Speaker 2: he put on a show in. The testing four nine
Speaker 2: seven forty thirty two, inch jump nine to five broad
Speaker 2: best three cone times seven point three. Eight seconds three
Speaker 2: cone is where teams like to get their guards, moving.
Speaker 2: Quick agile he did a. Trap drill it was a
Speaker 2: short pool is what they call IT.
Speaker 3: On tv but it's. A trap you're mimicking.
Speaker 1: A trap talk to me.
Speaker 3: And a lot of.
Speaker 2: These, guys basically the essential thing you want to do
Speaker 2: on a trap is your first step, is quick, it's
Speaker 2: backward and you swing open the hit because what you
Speaker 2: have to do is drive right behind the center's rear
Speaker 2: end and get through the hole before the running back runs.
Speaker 2: You over if you can't get through, the hole you
Speaker 2: can't be, a guard and you can't run, a trap and
Speaker 2: you can't. Play, football essentially he can not only, do
Speaker 2: it he was the only guy in the entire GROUP
Speaker 2: that i saw who was so used to doing it
Speaker 2: and had such light feet that he did this shuffle
Speaker 2: that was like, a blur like he'd done this reped thousands.
Speaker 2: Of times another guy struggle with, this STUFF and i,
Speaker 2: was like, oh MAN like i felt a tingle. INSIDE
Speaker 2: me i was.
Speaker 3: Just like this.
Speaker 2: IS incredible i love. This guy and then he crushed
Speaker 2: the rest of the. DRILL too i wrote a lot
Speaker 2: about him in The l. Combine team he's not, a
Speaker 2: brute he's not gonna win with, pure force but he's
Speaker 2: gonna win with.
Speaker 3: His FEET so i liked him. A.
Speaker 1: Lot okay that's a great shout out. BIG day i
Speaker 1: think as we get closer to, the draft people, are,
Speaker 1: realizing yeah there's not a premiere left, tackle prospect but
Speaker 1: there's a lot of potential in. This class but actually
Speaker 1: the overall class is pretty deep and. Pretty strong it's
Speaker 1: just not amazing in the top five. Or ten and,
Speaker 1: Who Knows aman membu MIGHT be. Ol one after. The
Speaker 1: day he had a, very, fat ten very. Fast forty
Speaker 1: he's twenty. Years old he finished twenty sixth out of
Speaker 1: thirteen hundred and seventy nine qualifiers. At tackle he. Moves
Speaker 1: well people questioning whether he'd go, to guard, but, like
Speaker 1: yeah there's. A chance there's a chance he could go
Speaker 1: in the top ten in, THIS draft i think because
Speaker 1: Whether it's Tim Or. Will Campbell will campbell had a,
Speaker 1: good workout but the short arms were were a little
Speaker 1: shorter even than people were expecting thirty two and, five eighths,
Speaker 1: which is, you know it depends on how much you care.
Speaker 1: About that but he had a great. Workout Too will campbell's.
Speaker 1: So interesting those, two, guys though did not make.
Speaker 2: YOUR team i have things to Say because membu did make.
Speaker 2: My team first off, At tackle campbell knicks, honorable mention
Speaker 2: and we'll Start With. MEMBOO membo i don't know if
Speaker 2: you watched the broadcast with the Sound, on greg but
Speaker 2: his first forty he screamed through the Entire forty i'm.
Speaker 1: Not, kidding yeah there was a guy like that yesterday
Speaker 1: who yelped like. A seal yes, he, Ran, yes.
Speaker 3: Oh, keep going? Keep going what?
Speaker 2: Is happening he was ah the whole way through and
Speaker 2: we're all. Like Wow and eric, at, home PROUD maszoograd
Speaker 2: i look across the way to go is how they
Speaker 2: teach You. In columbia eric and then we look up
Speaker 2: at the board and we see his forty times four to,
Speaker 2: nine one and it, was, like well it justified. The
Speaker 2: sound he had an. Excellent drill he was another guy
Speaker 2: very light on his feet considering, his size, very fluid.
Speaker 2: Very Comfortable and i'm curious about the PROJECTION because i
Speaker 2: think about a Guy Like, mkai beckon not the, same
Speaker 2: Player but makai cakes into garb With the eagles this
Speaker 2: year and thrives for the most part right and kind
Speaker 2: of replaces the Void That cam jergens left and he
Speaker 2: had to slide over the center and they don't miss.
Speaker 2: A beat and maybe that's what some people. ARE thinking
Speaker 2: i think there's some other comps that are outside of
Speaker 2: that with him moving, to GUARD but i could see
Speaker 2: him playing tackle and. Being fine doesn't define as a
Speaker 2: traditional top left tackle, prospect NECESSARILY but i see it
Speaker 2: in the physical traits and. Potential there the other guy
Speaker 2: that ended up There Was josh connolly because of the
Speaker 2: way he went through, his drills testing solid eighty five
Speaker 2: athletics in, the score but not as GOOD for i just.
Speaker 1: Like potential first round pick. Another ONE as i.
Speaker 3: WATCHED him i wrote in my notes he's.
Speaker 2: A stud, IN fact i texted a Friend in oregon
Speaker 2: grad who, we KNOW and i was, Just like connlee's.
Speaker 2: A stud and he goes to go back and Watch
Speaker 2: The big ten title game tape and you'll see, It
Speaker 2: TOO and i, Was like i've alread.
Speaker 3: WATCHED it i know what you're. Talking about but let's
Speaker 3: Talk about Campbell Because WILL.
Speaker 1: Campbell lsu potential top. FIVE pick i think.
Speaker 2: He was the number one tackle on a lot of
Speaker 2: people's boards going. Into this he goes to the podium
Speaker 2: yesterday and all the questions are about, arm length like you,
Speaker 2: just referenced and your arms are too short to? Play
Speaker 2: tackle what do? You think and he was pretty adamant
Speaker 2: that he's going to play tackle the.
Speaker 3: Next level improve.
Speaker 2: Everybody wrong he's been hearing it for years and he's ready,
Speaker 2: to do, you know find the same success they HAD.
Speaker 2: At lsu i'm telling, you this he'll he could be
Speaker 2: IN the nfl and be a, fine tackle but he's
Speaker 2: got the potential to be an all pro guard because
Speaker 2: he wins with, his feet not with. His arms, you
Speaker 2: know upper body strengthen his arms because his arms. Are
Speaker 2: short you could even see it in the drills there
Speaker 2: just wasn't a lot to force, up there but those
Speaker 2: feet are smooth, as butter and their. Feather light like
Speaker 2: a lot of these, other guys he had some of
Speaker 2: the best feet of any lineman in this. ENTIRE group
Speaker 2: i could see him being a phenomenal guard for a,
Speaker 2: long time as opposed to being a decent to slightly
Speaker 2: better tackle IN. THE nfl i, JUST wish i just
Speaker 2: wish that somebody would draft him, and say you are
Speaker 2: going to be. A guard he might be top five
Speaker 2: guard IN the nfl for a.
Speaker 1: Long, Time Look zach Martin And Elijah vera tucker are.
Speaker 3: TOO recent i Thought of martin.
Speaker 1: Of guys who got taken and teams weren't sure where they,
Speaker 1: would play and they got a little test drive outside
Speaker 1: and there they were. Better, Inside obviously martin is the.
Speaker 1: Ultimate Example quintin nelson never even really got tried at,
Speaker 1: left tackle but he was a guy that got moved
Speaker 1: Inside in both, those Guys certainly martin And Maybe quintin
Speaker 1: nelson will Be in canton. One day let's wrap up with.
Speaker 1: The DB's they went Back. On Friday maxwell harrison has
Speaker 1: the the FASTEST time i believe of anyone at the
Speaker 1: combine This year, kentucky cornerback and by all accounts was
Speaker 1: smooth in the. Drills too so a nice a nice
Speaker 1: combine for, undersized cornerback but one that has a chance
Speaker 1: to get taken maybe in the first round and certainly
Speaker 1: in the first, you know forty to.
Speaker 2: Fifty, picks yeah it kind of feels Like The quinnion
Speaker 2: mitchell story from, last year where a team banks on
Speaker 2: explosiveness and athletic potential and then, you know hopes the
Speaker 2: rest of it's a little bit cleaner in terms. Of
Speaker 2: technique he had a good he had, good, workout obviously
Speaker 2: was fantastic in, the testing, smooth confidence, made hands catches
Speaker 2: inside and outside, the frame and in a group that
Speaker 2: doesn't really have the top tier corners that we saw in,
Speaker 2: previous years even, last year, you know With A Terry
Speaker 2: on Arnold and mitchell and, you Know A cooper degene
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 3: LIKE that i think he's going to be the.
Speaker 2: First one off the board at the position and he
Speaker 2: makes the team from there a little bit harder to
Speaker 2: separate some of these guys kind of like, the receivers
Speaker 2: probably a little bit more, talent overall but kind of
Speaker 2: like the receivers and so brading.
Speaker 3: THESE guys I had Robert longer Beam.
Speaker 2: From rutgers it should have Been as, thomas's spot but
Speaker 2: he didn't test so incomplete picture there that kind of
Speaker 2: disqualifies you and just puts you in. Honorable Mentions So
Speaker 2: longer beam had one of the most complete workouts of
Speaker 2: anybody in testing in on field drills, as WELL and.
Speaker 3: I liked his performance.
Speaker 2: As well and another guy got to mention this just, For,
Speaker 2: YOU greg i don't want to, reveal All but i'm
Speaker 2: going to. Right now none Other Than kayleb bransaw from
Speaker 2: the Two Lane green Wave Makes let's go makes my
Speaker 2: team because of the performance he put down that included
Speaker 2: a four, three three a forty inch avert kind of
Speaker 2: borderline freakish numbers.
Speaker 3: From him and he was good on the field, As
Speaker 3: well so he likes LIKE.
Speaker 1: An, nfl player he'll he'll be, a nickel like a
Speaker 1: smooth player who can who can. Hit, inside yep. LOVE
Speaker 1: it I love he's going up and before, we go
Speaker 1: The safety's Nick emin wari just blew up the combined
Speaker 1: three pounds, you know had a four to four and just.
Speaker 1: Crazy numbers how did he look in, the DRILLS because
Speaker 1: i think he's someone who absolutely improved his draft stock
Speaker 1: to from a guy where it's like maybe he's in
Speaker 1: that first, round mock maybe. He's NOT so i have
Speaker 1: a feeling he's going to be in the top twenty
Speaker 1: of a lot of first.
Speaker 2: Round, mocks yeah he's the first, round pick he's the
Speaker 2: first safety out, the board but he didn't do, the
Speaker 2: drills so you just go off, the testing and because of,
Speaker 2: the testing just in.
Speaker 3: Complete, picture again he's an aauorable mention.
Speaker 2: This team but there is one other GUY who i
Speaker 2: think helped himself out, a lot maybe not with, the
Speaker 2: testing but with the way that he went through, those
Speaker 2: drills and It Was malachi Starks. From georgia he ran
Speaker 2: a four or five forty to thirty three, inch vert
Speaker 2: but on the field he. Was excellent he, was springy he,
Speaker 2: Was sharp he had the most complete performance. Of anybody
Speaker 2: he was a natural as a. BALL catcher i kind
Speaker 2: of felt like there was a bit Of A brian
Speaker 2: branch similarity in terms of testing versus on. Field performance
Speaker 2: THAT'S what i Felt about branch when he was in
Speaker 2: the combine a couple of years ago. As WELL so
Speaker 2: i see good things for. This guy he may have
Speaker 2: snuck into the first round.
Speaker 1: AS well i. Love That And, jday BURDEN who i
Speaker 1: don't think did the drills but ran a four to
Speaker 1: three nine, ninth overall by, the Way On daniel, jeremiah's
Speaker 1: board and a GUY like i think he's been getting
Speaker 1: some of that. Branch comparison people weren't sure about. His
Speaker 1: speed so it's one of those where like maybe he
Speaker 1: doesn't look like he plays, that fast but he, ran
Speaker 1: fast and so that's definitely gonna help. His chances so, you,
Speaker 1: Say amen warri's For safety off. The board there's some
Speaker 1: other Good, players starks, you know barn if you want
Speaker 1: to count him. AS one i guess he's sort of a.
Speaker 1: Hybrid there there, are good good enough. Defensive, backs look
Speaker 1: you were more than. Good enough you you you put
Speaker 1: in the work. This week are you going back? Out now, oh,
Speaker 1: God no i'm going to. GO now i have to
Speaker 1: have to fly. HOME tomorrow i hit my combine wall three.
Speaker 1: Hours ago it officially officially hit.
Speaker 3: The wall Luckily is.
Speaker 1: Sunday night right when he dug into, That, state YEAH.
Speaker 3: When i sat DOWN almost i, was like, OH god,
Speaker 3: i mean, come.
Speaker 1: On it's it's only eleven pm There. In indianapolis that's an.
Speaker 1: Early night, but yeah if.
Speaker 3: You knew HOW long i was out, last night you.
Speaker 1: WOULD understoke i, Love It nick, Shook everyone let's play
Speaker 1: that music and. Go home i'm really looking forward to.
Speaker 1: This WEEK it's i would say it's the colm before,
Speaker 1: the storm the free. Agency storm but there's gonna be,
Speaker 1: Trades happening there's gonna be. Cuts happening we will be
Speaker 1: there for you. All week we'll also preview the off
Speaker 1: seasons FOR the. Afc teams we'll talk about. Free agents
Speaker 1: we want To Sign patrick claybond with me on our. Next,
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