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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the show. We're gonna do

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Speaker 1: some reaction videos. Yeah, I have not seen these. The

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Speaker 1: ant man is with me. We're sitting here and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna try something new. I am. I'm completely

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Speaker 2: Okay, well you've heard.

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Speaker 3: You've probably heard by now, because it's been now a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks since the Double Wards got Forrest Frank

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Speaker 3: the day I believe it was the day of or

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Speaker 3: the day before, saying I'm not going.

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Speaker 2: To the Double Wards. Well, i'll play the video here.

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Speaker 4: It is as Christians, it's hard to know where the

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Speaker 4: line in the sand is between being in the world

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Speaker 4: and not of the world. And as a Christian artist,

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Speaker 4: you know, I dress kind of like the world. I

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Speaker 4: kind of look like the world. My music can kind

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Speaker 4: of sound like the world. So where's the line of

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Speaker 4: the sand drawn? And I'm convicted personally that a line

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Speaker 4: that I can draw is that I will not receive

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Speaker 4: a trophy for something that is from Jesus and for Jesus.

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Speaker 4: And I was wrestling with this last year. I even

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Speaker 4: said that on stage at the Double Wards. I said,

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Speaker 4: I'm still struggling with the concept of this word, but

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Speaker 4: all glory to Jesus, every name will fade away, including mine,

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Speaker 4: except for one name. But I feel a conviction to

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Speaker 4: go even a step further and say, I don't know

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to step in the room.

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Speaker 4: And so I have decided to take a stance of

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Speaker 4: non participation. I will not be attending the doves or

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Speaker 4: the Grammys. I hope to me an example to the

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Speaker 4: youth that the trophy is our salvation. The trophy is

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Speaker 4: that my name is listed in the Book of Life

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Speaker 4: and I get to have eternal life. What good is

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we've we've talked about it. Hey did you

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Speaker 3: see that, But we haven't had a discussion about thoughts

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Speaker 1: What's your immediate thought? Well, watch it together? Okay, a

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Speaker 1: couple couple of things. Let me just let me address

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Speaker 1: the last thing that he said, just because it's important.

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Speaker 1: The treasure would not be our salvation or that our

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Speaker 1: names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life. The

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Speaker 1: treasure would be Christ.

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Speaker 2: Christ.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the treasure hidden in the field that a man

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Speaker 1: found and covered up, then in his joy goes and

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Speaker 1: sells all that he hasn't buys that field. He is

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Speaker 2: He is, he is the goal.

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Speaker 1: He is what we what we seek, He is who

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Speaker 1: we exalt. And so for us, Frank probably knows that

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Speaker 1: he just made that video off the cuff, but I

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Speaker 1: wanted to. I just wanted to give glory where to

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Speaker 1: do that. Even my salvation is not the trophy that

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Speaker 1: that flows outward from Christ, who is our treasure. Yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I do believe that he knows that it's okay.

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Speaker 1: Second thought saying sorry I had to say that. Second

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Speaker 1: I think the Lord has sanctified him in that specific way.

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Speaker 1: I think that he's feeling a conviction and and he is.

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Speaker 1: He is taking the the leap of faith, a step

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Speaker 1: Holy Spirit has given him. To sit out this season.

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Speaker 1: He might I had come back one season and go

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Speaker 1: to a special awards event later. So I don't want

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Speaker 1: to speak to the future. But right now the Lord

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Speaker 1: has crushed him in that and I know that feeling

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Speaker 1: to I didn't participate in anything. I left everything that

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Speaker 1: maybe the path that Forrest is on, it could, it

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Speaker 1: might be, but it only starts with something like this

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Speaker 1: long story short. What he said is it feels to

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Speaker 1: me very spirit filled. Yeah, spirit field.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: Jelly Roll had a response to that video comment that

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Speaker 2: In fact, not one comment, but two.

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Speaker 3: And what's interesting is that he left two comments because

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Speaker 3: I want to read you the first one and then

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Speaker 3: that is getting attention. Jelly was on stage with Brandon

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Speaker 3: country charts being played on country stations anyway, so here

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Speaker 3: was his first his initial response. Jelly's initial response or

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Speaker 2: I dig it.

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Speaker 3: How do you think this compares as profiting from the

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Speaker 3: same music. I love that you said, I don't want

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Speaker 3: to get a trophy for something that's from Jesus, for Jesus,

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Speaker 3: which is awesome, but also make millions of dollars doing

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Speaker 3: that same thing that is from Jesus.

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Speaker 2: For Jesus. Now that's comment.

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Speaker 1: Number one, and he did all caps millions.

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Speaker 3: Million, yes, million, you're right, millions, And then immediately I say, immediately,

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Speaker 3: it looks like they're not They're both in the same timeframe.

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Speaker 3: Did another response said, won't receive trophy for something from

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm missing something here lol.

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Speaker 1: So he either saw replies and set another message yep,

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Speaker 1: or the demon in him prompted him to.

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Speaker 2: Say another or didn't get the response he wanted.

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Speaker 1: It could be that either way, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Well, Force Frank had a response specifically, now there are

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Speaker 3: thousands of responses on here.

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Speaker 1: Before Forrest Frank though that the awards showed themselves.

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Speaker 2: There was an award show.

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Speaker 1: I saw that, okay, where Jelly says I see the

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Speaker 1: forest through.

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Speaker 3: The trees, ye through the forest, And when I heard it,

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Speaker 3: I didn't think about forest Frank.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know what that comment's about.

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Speaker 2: That's weird that he said that. That's what I thought.

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Speaker 1: Immediately, Okay, let's hold here for a second. You're going

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Speaker 1: to play a response from Forrest. But let's hold here

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Speaker 1: because I don't remember what Jelly said on those receive

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Speaker 1: India Award. But do you remember what he said? Something

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Speaker 1: along along the lines of what we need to be doing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, what we need to be doing. And I should

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Speaker 3: have grabbed that video that Okay, it's important. It was that,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think about Matthew talking about you. You uh,

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Speaker 3: was in prison. That's what we need to be doing,

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Speaker 3: is be be is doing more of that. I love

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Speaker 3: and it's alternative programming. And thank you for this trophy.

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Speaker 3: And I'm thankful that I can see the forest for

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Speaker 1: He said something about he yelled out, some go feed

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Speaker 1: the poor something something like that. Basically, Uh, Jelly's theology

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Speaker 2: Correct. Basically, I mean that's that's at least what comes.

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Speaker 1: Across yes so here and Forrest is saying do less.

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Speaker 2: Is do say do less and be acknowledged. You be

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I wasn't going to respond to this comment

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Speaker 4: because I didn't want to bring any unnecessary drama. I

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Speaker 4: post my personal conviction. It triggered a lot of people.

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Speaker 4: I had no idea that that was going to happen.

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Speaker 4: But now Fox News has brought it up in People magazine,

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Speaker 3: All.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna say to you, Jelly is I love this question.

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Speaker 4: This is the question.

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Speaker 1: Positive to me for making Christian music for so many years.

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Speaker 1: Did Forrest Fright come from like TikTok?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: He was in a group before he was doing what

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Speaker 3: He was doing other music and he didn't even share

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just wondering because he like the music starts

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Speaker 2: I will say the very first time I saw a

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Speaker 4: Didn't want to make a business out of worship music.

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: Legally it was self produced and self written, so legally

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Speaker 2: He also put in there or two eyes, let's see

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Speaker 4: But y'all are never gonna know that, because that's that's

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Speaker 4: just stoked by this comment. This is something that I

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Speaker 1: He has a plan for your life.

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Speaker 3: There you go, there's the response. And how many people? First,

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Speaker 3: let me say how many people would respond like that?

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Speaker 1: You have a thought?

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Speaker 3: How would you respond? You wouldn't you type it and

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Speaker 3: I make the video and delete it.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. His response is good and Jelly

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Speaker 2: Obviously, I haven't seen a response since then.

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Speaker 1: this as a family? And I said, quite frankly, well

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Speaker 1: Forrest is a Christian and Jelly's not.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 1: That really just ends it. That's that's the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Jelly Rell is not a Christian and forced, frank is

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Speaker 1: that that? I mean? That's it. There's really not one.

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Speaker 1: One is flowing from one spot in their in their

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Speaker 1: And it's for for Jelly. I've you know, I know

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Speaker 1: Jelly personally, and I once was where he was all

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Speaker 1: and so the the you know, first Corinthian says that

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: So specifically the gospel, the idea that our our Savior,

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Speaker 1: And those two things just don't those two ideas don't

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Speaker 1: it's very difficult to even reply if you're Forest, and

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Speaker 3: By the way, Forrest Frank won the biggest award they

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Speaker 2: Of the Year.

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