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<v Speaker 1>We asked the questions you always want to know, but

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<v Speaker 1>no one ever asked. Let's cut to it. You ain't

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<v Speaker 1>heard about it, then we're about to let you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all okay. Alright, me and my wife foolishly decided

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna play tennis over the weekend in the just

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<v Speaker 1>it was hot. It's been sticky. I mean we're in

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina. We're in Charlotte for those of y'all who

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. So it gets humidity. It is painstaking. The

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's been it's been hot in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's been ninety degrees in October November. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>We've we've had a Thanksgiving where it's been like eighty

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<v Speaker 1>four degrees, which is and then it feels like ninety

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<v Speaker 1>seven with all the humidity. Yeah, so it's it's different.

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<v Speaker 1>So we decided we're gonna play tennis. Right and so

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<v Speaker 1>where we played tennants, they also have some uh it's

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<v Speaker 1>a pool right there. So there was a guy, he's

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<v Speaker 1>about sixty years old, and again he was by the pool,

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<v Speaker 1>so he had he was walking from the pool pastor

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<v Speaker 1>tennis courts to his car to go in to to leave,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had on he didn't have on a shirt. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so he was again suns out, guns out, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was sixty years old, so he had it. He had

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<v Speaker 1>it for sixty year old man or maybe he could

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<v Speaker 1>have been older. He was pretty fit, and he wanted everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted everybody to know, Look, I'm old, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still handling the business. So I look over and one

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, I was always taught respect your elder,

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<v Speaker 1>so I look over. When I said, hey, suns out,

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<v Speaker 1>guns out? He said yeah. I say hey, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>you got those guns registered. He looked at me and said, nah,

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<v Speaker 1>I shot these in a while, bro. He had this

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<v Speaker 1>clip bloated waiting for you to ask. He wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why he didn't have a shirt on, because he

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<v Speaker 1>was waiting for some money. Yeah, I ain't shot these.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what he's saying. I haven't discharged these in years.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I loved about that's one when I was acknowledging, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I see you working, old, I see you, I see

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<v Speaker 1>you working young man. It was really cool because when

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<v Speaker 1>I get sixty or seventy years old, man, I still

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<v Speaker 1>kind of want a four pack at least, right. The

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<v Speaker 1>other two is still in the cooler, still in the cooler, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously when you're sixty and seventy you ain't working

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<v Speaker 1>out like he used to. But just just to have

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<v Speaker 1>a a two patter man, that's progress because there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of thirty year old so walking around with kegs.

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<v Speaker 1>They ain't got No did he run up on you

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<v Speaker 1>like he wanted to try you or he just ran

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't like that, No, he was. He was strolling

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<v Speaker 1>by his flip flops in the shorts and his shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>I was fully dressed in ninety degree weather playing tennis,

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<v Speaker 1>and people like, really, still you play tennis? Actually I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a three to five in tennis. That means there's five old.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean four or five four old three five three

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<v Speaker 1>h two five two O two old is you're terrible?

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<v Speaker 1>Um three to five is you could play a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit run around. I love the exercise. I'm actually a

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<v Speaker 1>huge tennis junkie. Love love tennis. Grew up watching Andre

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<v Speaker 1>Agassi and um, you know on here on cut tool

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<v Speaker 1>we also eventually have some tennis guys too, brothers talking tennis,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, you know, obviously Arthur

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<v Speaker 1>ashe but there's a lot of different guys here in

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina and um, Andy Murray, UM really good friends.

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<v Speaker 1>He grew up in Greensboro, John Eisner. Um, obviously you

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<v Speaker 1>got the serenas. That's down the street from the house

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<v Speaker 1>in La Girls. I remember I had to unique opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to visit um James Blake when he was playing. His

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<v Speaker 1>mom actually well was his trainer and and really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of kept him in focus. I was pretty good. So

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<v Speaker 1>I love tennis. An intense dude. That's that's crazy, man,

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<v Speaker 1>an intense dude like you savage on the field swinging

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<v Speaker 1>tennis club while you saying like, no, I'm saying I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not like you. I'm not judging at all. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>saying I find it interesting that you know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>can to you to keep back felling, you're gonna hit

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<v Speaker 1>the water cool over there. That's cool. I played a

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<v Speaker 1>little DV in my life, but I'm just saying I do. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>I find it interesting that that you play tennis. I's

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<v Speaker 1>school because I think the for one, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>are a football player, your intense dude, and tennis is

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<v Speaker 1>such a quote unquote country club sport that um, I

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<v Speaker 1>really find it interesting and honestly, I find it cool

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<v Speaker 1>even for me like my daughter who six your niece Mia, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>she loves swimming and she loves playing golf, two things

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<v Speaker 1>that I never threw up around where I'm from. So honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying is I find it cool that you

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<v Speaker 1>can invest yourself in the sport that otherwise, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>places that we're from, you don't typically play. So I honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I find it really cool that you know, in your

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<v Speaker 1>later stages in life, you can find something like that

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<v Speaker 1>that really keeps you fit, keeps you focused, and keeps

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<v Speaker 1>you really you know, keeps you around some sort of competitiveness. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>let me tell you, in tennis, you want to get ran,

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<v Speaker 1>play some old folks. They get you the business, give

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<v Speaker 1>you the business because in tennis, tennis is a mind game, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's ball placement, and a lot of the older

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<v Speaker 1>people don't have that movement like they used to, but

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<v Speaker 1>they but they playing from a mental standard and so

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<v Speaker 1>they So I played the older guy and got my

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<v Speaker 1>butt wok and he ran me, ran me off the

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<v Speaker 1>court because ball placement. I'm over there, I'm running from

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<v Speaker 1>side to side, baseline, the baseline. That dude was out yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>out there running for no reason. He was out there

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<v Speaker 1>like he just cross throwing darts. But I love tennis

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<v Speaker 1>because it's it's a great It is a great sport

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<v Speaker 1>in which requires mental for to two strategy. But you

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<v Speaker 1>could also hit the snot out of the ball and

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<v Speaker 1>then they can return it same velocity even more, or

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<v Speaker 1>they can set you up. So it's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>mental aspect of it. It's a lot of I was,

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<v Speaker 1>but that old man taught me something. I'll running. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>run them into the ground right now. But you know

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<v Speaker 1>that ain't gonna happen. But I really love tennis, and

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<v Speaker 1>so me and my wife play tennis together. My boys,

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<v Speaker 1>I am doocey Um. We call m Doocy Goosey Steve

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<v Speaker 1>Smith Junior. I have brainwashed him Um into being a

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<v Speaker 1>tennis player. He's gonna be tennis. He's gonna become a

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<v Speaker 1>tennis player. And then I will be able to live

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<v Speaker 1>in Italy for a year or two because he'll be

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<v Speaker 1>he'll be training out there, and so we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>recording from Italy. I like, I don't I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>care where we record from, but I'm getting the Italy

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<v Speaker 1>at so far to just be there for a year

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<v Speaker 1>and let him train um in Italy, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>can blow up by eating a whole bunch of pizza.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, There you go, there you go. So gee,

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<v Speaker 1>let's cut to it. And who's our guest for today?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I don't know who it is. We we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about some guys and then now I got like a

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<v Speaker 1>surprise guest that you're supposed to be telling me, and

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<v Speaker 1>so now I'm just going off to I am literally

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<v Speaker 1>I have no questions in front of me because you

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<v Speaker 1>guys didn't tell me. So if this show seems a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit erratic today, that's only because they surprised me

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<v Speaker 1>with a guest and I don't know who it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it's gonna be an awesome guest. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>coming up, we got a very special surprise guest, an icon,

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<v Speaker 1>a legend, Michael Vick. He went to Virginia Tech University.

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<v Speaker 1>The four time pro bowler, he was the NFL Comeback

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<v Speaker 1>Player of the Year in twenty ten, and he's the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL's all time leader in rushing yards by a quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>over six thousand yards. Michael Vick, thanks for coming on

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<v Speaker 1>to the Cut to a podcast. Brother, Thanks for having me, man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a pleasure to be on. Pleasure to this

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<v Speaker 1>segment we were about to go into is called get

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<v Speaker 1>Iced Up with Smitty's basically our ice breakers be prepared

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<v Speaker 1>for anything. Smitty. I'll let you take a favorite childhood cereal,

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<v Speaker 1>Captain Crunch Crunch. It was flavorful, especially when they started

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<v Speaker 1>throwing the flavors up in man got better years when

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<v Speaker 1>that's a hood favorite right there, that's a favorite, right berries?

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<v Speaker 1>Yea berries and they hit the blueberries and the red

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<v Speaker 1>berries game. It was popular. The summer activity you love

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<v Speaker 1>to do, swimming at the Boys and Girls Club. But

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<v Speaker 1>that was my thing, you know what I mean, that

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<v Speaker 1>was my thing that swim, swim, swim, and it made

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<v Speaker 1>me strong, It made me better, um you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>a as a as a football player, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>growing up where I grew up because I was stronger

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<v Speaker 1>than everybody. Nobody liked to swim but me, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was a passing growing up. So swimming at the Boys

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<v Speaker 1>and Girls Club, now, I know you had a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of fast twitch. However, now you retire, so how you

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<v Speaker 1>ain't your shoes? You got shoelaces or veil crow? I

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<v Speaker 1>I got shoelaces to dispect the icon. Let's see, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't get caught in the bell crow. If you ask

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<v Speaker 1>me this ten years from now, then you might get

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<v Speaker 1>a different answer. We can't have big fifty. Yeah, I ain't. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>let me trap up real quick. All right, Well, we

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<v Speaker 1>we really appreciate you coming on. And the purpose, uh

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<v Speaker 1>of the of our podcast really is to get the insight,

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<v Speaker 1>um and understand the the man, the woman as well

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<v Speaker 1>inside the jersey. We want you to start off before

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<v Speaker 1>we really get into really who Michael VICKI is just

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<v Speaker 1>set a stage like where'd you grow up? How'd you

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<v Speaker 1>grow up? Right? And and and and really how and

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<v Speaker 1>where you grew up? How did that shape your life?

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<v Speaker 1>Good and bad and and and so paint that picture

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<v Speaker 1>for us. We all know, you know, the good and

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<v Speaker 1>the bad. Yeah, but it but it all started from

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere and where where is that place? It started in News,

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia um, a place I can sit at home for

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen years until I left Virginia tech um. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I moved around to a couple of different neighborhoods from

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<v Speaker 1>the age of uh, you know, six until I was

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<v Speaker 1>about ten years old. So I had always had different

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<v Speaker 1>crews of friends, which which was cool. And until I

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<v Speaker 1>moved into my last neighborhood, Bridey Circle where I grew up.

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<v Speaker 1>Where I grew up, you know, from the age of

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<v Speaker 1>ten to like eighteen and met all my friends who

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know I got to know and still friends

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<v Speaker 1>with guys to this day. But had dreams with and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, thought about what life would be like with,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as as a young man growing into an

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<v Speaker 1>older man. You know, we went through everything together. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we went through you know, the preteen years and the

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<v Speaker 1>teen years and you know, to playing football and liking girls,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, everybody had their own set of goals

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<v Speaker 1>and dreams, and you know, it was so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a tough situation to grow up in because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you don't know, you don't have a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, until you goes around somebody who has a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of my cousins, his mom and dad was

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<v Speaker 1>in the household and they both had good jobs. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I've seen the different side of life, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you know, I want that life, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I don't have what he have. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if I can experience that and learn from that experience,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it helps shape and mold me to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>me thinking like, look, I want more than what we have.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, you know, I started playing you know football,

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<v Speaker 1>like the age of seven, and it was like the

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<v Speaker 1>coolest game ever. You know, then start out as a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I was running back at first. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>different story. But you know, the dreams started right there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, man, they get paid for this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm pretty good at this. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is something that I want to do. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fast forward to you know, from the age

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<v Speaker 1>of ten to eighteen, it was like, man, you got

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<v Speaker 1>to do so much in order to get a scholarship

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<v Speaker 1>to go to you know, college, and to play in

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<v Speaker 1>the National Football League. So I looked at the journey

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<v Speaker 1>I had to travel and I was like, man, this

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<v Speaker 1>is tough. But as a ten year old kid, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm prepared for that journey. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>growing up in that environment prepared me for that journey.

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<v Speaker 1>I think my friends and the guys I grew up with,

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<v Speaker 1>the guys that really grew up with, um, they helped

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<v Speaker 1>me with that journey. And then you know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>high school, college and then but when you say guys

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<v Speaker 1>I really grew up with, I say that, Steve, because

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<v Speaker 1>I really feel like, um, you know, my my two

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<v Speaker 1>best best friends, my two besties, A guy named Jamal

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson and Kevin Stanley was the guys that when I

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<v Speaker 1>when we touched eighteen, we all went out separate ways.

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<v Speaker 1>They both went in the military and I went on

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<v Speaker 1>to college. And then it was the guys that I met,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, over time, and you know, Kevin wasn't playing

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<v Speaker 1>football and Jamal wasn't playing football. I got closer with

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<v Speaker 1>my teammates. Some of those guys good dudes. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>them was bad dudes, but they all they became my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hung out with him and you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of made decisions and choices together, you know, good

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<v Speaker 1>and bad, and uh, you know, it was what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>But those two guys that I just name were, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my guys, and to this day, like they still like

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<v Speaker 1>my beasties. The ones that are gonna tell me, like, na,

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<v Speaker 1>you're making a bonehead decision or you know, you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>do that. They're not afraid to tell me no, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that that's been the biggest tale to the

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<v Speaker 1>sign of why you know those guys are they always

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<v Speaker 1>been my besties. Man, They're always really bid, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I learned my lesson with friends along

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<v Speaker 1>the way. You know, how to determine if your friend

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<v Speaker 1>is really a friend. You know, Mike, I played against you, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>long time, good and bad, and we were out we

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<v Speaker 1>were in the same draft class and um, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know we're both doing analysts work now. Um, you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>a fantastic job on Fox, you know, and I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to keep up with you on NFL network. Amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. Now, I'm gonna take this time to as

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<v Speaker 1>something the elephant in the room, because I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>one journalistic integrity that I'm learning of talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But just steer me in the direction if I say

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<v Speaker 1>something that's if I misspeak. But basically, um, around two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six, you know, the FBI and some of

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff is starting investigation about some of the outside

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<v Speaker 1>activity that was going on outside of your employment with

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta Falcons, and you were basically convicted or or

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<v Speaker 1>I believe plead got a plea deal with them on

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<v Speaker 1>dog fighting and all of that stuff. And so August

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven, two thousand and seventh, you were sentenced and

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<v Speaker 1>had to serve an eighteen months prison term and also

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<v Speaker 1>had to do two months of house to arrest you

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<v Speaker 1>also had to pay back money to the Land of Falcons.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe a whole bunch of money. Um. None of

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<v Speaker 1>us got under our under our mattresses. No, but you also, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Vick is the original highlight reel. Um, myself and

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<v Speaker 1>many other people feared when you had the ball in

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<v Speaker 1>your hands when we were standing on the other sideline,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, man, if that they let this dude get

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<v Speaker 1>loose again, we in trump. I want to ask you

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<v Speaker 1>when you went to prison then, Michael Duane vic walk

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<v Speaker 1>in that prison or was it Michael Victor highlight Reel. Oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's an amazing question, because Michael Victor Highlight Reel walked

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<v Speaker 1>into that and into that prison and walked in there

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<v Speaker 1>and feeling like, damn, this shouldn't this shouldn't be me.

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<v Speaker 1>I had too much money for this. I shouldn't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't be in this situation. You know, at first

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<v Speaker 1>couple of hours, I was in there every time they

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<v Speaker 1>came to check on me to make sure that I

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<v Speaker 1>was good, and I wasn't, and they permitting suicide that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I thought somebody was coming out and locked

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<v Speaker 1>that door to let me out, you know, And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>because I felt like I didn't deserve to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>And then over time, you know, as the knights went

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<v Speaker 1>on and the days went was longer, and the days hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>they hurt. You know, you're thinking about, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>outside world. You think about family and watching football and

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<v Speaker 1>watching you guys you know, you know, like men of

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<v Speaker 1>integrity out there doing but they supposed to be doing,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what everybody dreampt of doing their entire lives,

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<v Speaker 1>unless they just fell into it. You know, very very

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<v Speaker 1>blessed to be out there on the field in that situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm you know, one of the you know, Markey

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<v Speaker 1>players of the league, and I'm sitting in the prison

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<v Speaker 1>seeing I'm like, damn, this shit beat me. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>time went on, I realized like, yeah, this was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>it was supposed to be me. It needed to be me,

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<v Speaker 1>because I started thinking about, you know, all the people

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<v Speaker 1>I did, hurt, all the animals I hurt, all of

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<v Speaker 1>you know things that I did, and the decisions I

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<v Speaker 1>made that could have been better. And I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't make the all the right decisions. You know, nobody's perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the same time, you probably made more bad

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<v Speaker 1>decisions than you did good. And that's the reason you

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<v Speaker 1>were in this place right now. So you know I

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<v Speaker 1>looked at that, you know, understood it. You know I

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<v Speaker 1>accepted it, and I was like, you know, when I

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<v Speaker 1>leave out of here, I'm gonna come out of here

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<v Speaker 1>a different person. I'm gonna come out of here a

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<v Speaker 1>man and integrity. I'm gonna respect my family and respect

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<v Speaker 1>you know the game. I'm gonna respect the people who

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<v Speaker 1>try to help me in every fast that my life

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<v Speaker 1>and want the best for me. And I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to ignore that. I'm gonna grow up. I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be so reserved and I'm not gonna be so you know, introvertive.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna try to open up. You know, all those

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<v Speaker 1>things is on my mind. And I felt like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I did it, but I needed that time so get

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<v Speaker 1>to that point in my life. So the highlight, Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Victor highlight real walkan in prison, Michael, the man came

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<v Speaker 1>out and I'm very appreciative of that in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did you discover about about yourself? Really being

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<v Speaker 1>put in that position twenty three hours a day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, you know, just losing control, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was probably the biggest thing. And like I have

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<v Speaker 1>no control of, you know, when I'm gonna eat, I

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<v Speaker 1>have no control of when I got to go to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep or you know, I'm pretty much on somebody else's time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, um but a lot of idle time. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, damn, like, you know, I got to find

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<v Speaker 1>a way to to make this, you know, somewhat, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a success story, like man, I got it in me.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I could do it. I know the decisions

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<v Speaker 1>that was made that was wrong. Damn, I should have

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<v Speaker 1>just did it right. You know. All I started thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about was a second chance, another opportunity. If I get

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to do it all again. And I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do it this way, And I know I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be perfect, but at least I know I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be around those same people, you know, the same influences.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm growing up a little bit, and I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to show people more than anything that when I

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<v Speaker 1>got out, I was more mature. You know. It started

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<v Speaker 1>with Roger Goodeale than he was the last person I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking to his face and lied to, you know

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<v Speaker 1>about being involved. So I was able to start with

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<v Speaker 1>him break the ice tell the truth. I was wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, look, I'm not here to talk about the past,

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<v Speaker 1>me to talk about the future. And right then and

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<v Speaker 1>then when I heard that, I was just like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. That's it. It's all about the future. And

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<v Speaker 1>Roger Goodell told me that and our initial conversation and

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<v Speaker 1>that changed my life. That made me look at the

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<v Speaker 1>world different. It made me know that the vision that

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<v Speaker 1>I had could come true. Like all the other visions

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<v Speaker 1>I had, what vision, I don't know. I got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like a lot of stuff in my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I was you know, we spent a lot of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>We spent a lot of time like all my all

0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the staff, all the people as working with us. We

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<v Speaker 1>spend a lot of time just kind of looking at

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<v Speaker 1>all this stuff about about you. And I watch a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things myself, and the one thing I kept

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on it was like, you know, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>this to you to come on here and to rehab

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<v Speaker 1>something um that's happened. However, I don't want people to

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<v Speaker 1>feel like that we're glancing over or were or we're

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<v Speaker 1>giving you Yeah yeah, it's all under control, baby. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But but also like I also put myself in your

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<v Speaker 1>position is I've done some stupid stuff in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know when you do some stupid stuff, you

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there right, and I say stupid because if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>being one hunter many like playing against you. Yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know the stories about you. I know, I know

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<v Speaker 1>get we're gonna get into them stories. I know, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying I'm still real deal. I'm saying all this,

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<v Speaker 1>all this stuff about you, like I watch you and

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<v Speaker 1>one that all way down, you know, being so close

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<v Speaker 1>here in Charlotte, in Charlotte, trying to mimic the growth

0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:11.520
<v Speaker 1>of Atlanta, like we we got the information like we

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<v Speaker 1>were it was like it was happening here, and bro

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<v Speaker 1>like sitting here and just putting myself in that position,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going all the stupid stuff I've done in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how many times I've gotten in trouble And

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<v Speaker 1>then you wake up and you you wake up with

0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.560
<v Speaker 1>your eyes open and you just kind of that one

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<v Speaker 1>eye and you go, I hope it's I hope it's

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<v Speaker 1>not real. Yeah, and then you realize, damn, we're still here.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just I really like I really want you

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of like just take us through that personal

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<v Speaker 1>journey of sitting in there because a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many people like I read some of the comments,

0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 1>people like the YouTube stuff that every time you go

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<v Speaker 1>on there, people are like, he's not he's not remorseful

0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:06.280
<v Speaker 1>demands for eighteen months in jail. It don't even if

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:11.720
<v Speaker 1>he's not remorseful, he's sitting in his in his dirty

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Yeah, And I just I personally don't cannot

0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:21.400
<v Speaker 1>sit there, even visiting men in prison, myself sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>going they may not the first week or two weeks

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.280
<v Speaker 1>of the first month, but this brother has seventeen other

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<v Speaker 1>months to go. Ain't nobody getting them out? He's not

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<v Speaker 1>getting a free plane of hurt. I cannot explain the

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:42.600
<v Speaker 1>hurt from that stuff. Like, man, So this is how

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<v Speaker 1>much it hurt. It hurt me that it became normal

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<v Speaker 1>being in it. It hurt me that it became normal

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<v Speaker 1>on a Friday night walking in track looking out at

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the world, cause going by people going

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<v Speaker 1>by and saying, damn, it's life that really exists. I

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<v Speaker 1>then I don't have freedom, you know. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just felt like from the start when I found

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<v Speaker 1>out that I was first going to prison, I just

0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 1>kept looking at myself in the mirror like, oh, you're

0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.600
<v Speaker 1>going to prison. You're going to prison. I know what

0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be like, or trying to imagine and you know,

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:19.879
<v Speaker 1>like you just trying to wake up from it, like yo,

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<v Speaker 1>is this really real? And then next thing you're still

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:26.159
<v Speaker 1>living in I'm like, damn, like this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>really happening, you know, and you know, just so it's

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:33.399
<v Speaker 1>just so sad, bro like just so um not have

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:39.639
<v Speaker 1>control after having control of my entire life and leading away.

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm driving it. I'm driving the train. I'm

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>starring the train everywhere and every direction I wanted to go,

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.359
<v Speaker 1>and then I just I stared it off the track. Boom,

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 1>and now we just crashed. You over there, you're banning,

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:56.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's just like damn, like you know, you got

0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 1>to pick up the pieces, man, I really pick up

0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 1>the pieces and get myself together and like lost everything,

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:08.080
<v Speaker 1>lost off, lost everybody, putting, my wife, everything with my wife,

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:11.639
<v Speaker 1>you still standing there, standing tall in the end, you know,

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:14.160
<v Speaker 1>And even when I was telling her when I came back,

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:16.720
<v Speaker 1>like some I'm on a bench right now, I'm the

0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:19.439
<v Speaker 1>third quarterback, but I just need a shot. She believed

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:21.679
<v Speaker 1>in me, you know, but she believed in me as

0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:23.199
<v Speaker 1>a man, and I was going to change, you know,

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 1>and actually know another thing that like that transformation too,

0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Like she's just been a big inspiration in my life.

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Is just helping the change and look at the world differently,

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:35.360
<v Speaker 1>understand things and know that she can be just as

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, reliable and you know, assertive and her friendships

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:42.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, as a man as somebody else that I

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.919
<v Speaker 1>felt like I needed comfort in. Like I kind of

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:47.719
<v Speaker 1>put that you know, on this on her now and

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:50.120
<v Speaker 1>we put it on each other and you know, made

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>a stronger maybe stronger to this day. Did you think

0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:57.320
<v Speaker 1>did you think she'll leave you? Did you think she'll

0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 1>stay you? Oh? Going through that? Um yeah, Steve, because um,

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 1>you know I was real fouling my day. Man. I

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:08.639
<v Speaker 1>was like yo, man, you know, no respect, you know, Um,

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea of what it was like to

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 1>maintain a real relationship and you know, to love somebody

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.879
<v Speaker 1>who truly loved you. You know, I was caught up

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:22.439
<v Speaker 1>in that whole spotlight, my thick life, you know, the

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 1>money to fame, you know, I was caught up and

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:26.439
<v Speaker 1>all that, you know, and it took for God, that

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:30.359
<v Speaker 1>like put me in a vulnerable situation where like she

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>wrote me down while I was like, yo, no, I

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I changed it all. I'll give it all up, you know,

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.119
<v Speaker 1>just to have you. You know, So I you know,

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I thought because of that, because I went through that

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:46.679
<v Speaker 1>with her prior that when I left, it's like you

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 1>made another bonehead decision. You deal with that to yourself. No,

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 1>she's there. She's right there when I came home, every

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 1>step of the way, every phone call. Damn, that's true loyalty,

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 1>you know. That's why I learned loyalty like it can

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 1>come from the coming a lot of different ways and

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:04.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of different people. I respect that. So you

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:12.200
<v Speaker 1>you basically twenty almost almost thirty years old, and you're

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:15.159
<v Speaker 1>just figuring out what real loyal to is, especially coming

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 1>from the hood, from the hood where we we think

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 1>we know a loyalty is just because of you know,

0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:25.680
<v Speaker 1>when you're in the bottom or you got is your word? Yeah, yeah,

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 1>also talked to just naturally, we talked to this trust too, right,

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's already ingrained too. So when you have

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 1>an experience like mine had and you have these people

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 1>that fail you, it gets stripped away. But man, thank

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 1>thank god, your wife was able to stay with you

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 1>through that entire stretch. And it was and it sounds

0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 1>almost as if she was a motivating factor when he

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 1>was behind the wall. Yeah, she was the strength. She

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>was the strength I need to that first two weeks

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 1>and I cried every day, like, see you on the plone, Stoom,

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 1>be all right, stoom, be all right, you can get

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 1>you got you, you could do this. I'm like, nah,

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't, I don't. I don't know what you're talking about.

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:02.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't. You know. You you out there living, breathing

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:07.040
<v Speaker 1>and as you supposed to be, and I'm right here

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>dealing with this crap, you know, and I'm blaming everybody.

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm pointing finger and this person. And now I'm

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:16.400
<v Speaker 1>just I'm upset, you know, I'm mad. You know that

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>that that that kid to keep unlocking that door. Ain't

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 1>let me out, you know. So I'm like, yeah, I'm stuck.

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm in the box right now, you know.

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>But she was just always encouraging me and you know,

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.840
<v Speaker 1>making me laughing. You know, we talked for hours. I

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 1>ran that bill up crazy and then I had like

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>an eight thousand dollars bill. When I left, I was

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 1>only there for like I was on with the initial prison.

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I went to just as a holding facility when they

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 1>was just holding me. Um. I stayed there for about

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe like forty five days. So yeah, I left for

0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 1>like an eight thousand dollars phone bill because all and

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 1>and the way the phone was set up was that

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>you could just call back right after talking fifteen minutes

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>and you got a call back. You can call back

0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 1>and talk. I was just keep on the phone all day,

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 1>all day, and that's you know, that was that bridge

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 1>the gap and helped me get through that little part

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 1>and to uh they took me to leven Worth. So

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and I was really leaving when I went to eleven Worth, man,

0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I was. I was at a prison camp. So I

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:17.959
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like behind no serious wall, even though when I

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.000
<v Speaker 1>first pulled up, they pulled me up in front of

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the leaven Worth Prison, the real prison, and I was like,

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 1>oh god, they they got me this time, you know,

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 1>and the guy was like, you know, e's up. You

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 1>know you ain't going over there, You're going over here,

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 1>and you know, but you know, it still was you know,

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>it was it was a facility where it was like

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't leave it, you know, you couldn't you couldn't

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>leave it. And uh so, man, it was just uh

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, being in Kansas and being away from my family,

0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 1>losing that connection, you know, that was tough. Man. And

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 1>then I had I had three young kids too. I

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>had my oldest son and then my two daughters and

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:56.959
<v Speaker 1>my youngest daughter who was twelve nine. Name is London.

0:30:57.080 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 1>She was just born in a month old when I myself,

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 1>and so that was a part of it, her to

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 1>a big part of her. Would you would have made

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:08.880
<v Speaker 1>it if your wife wasn't there to talk to you

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>every day? No, Honestly, that's another good question because that's

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 1>something that I never been asked or I had a

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>conversation with people where it came out. I'm gonna know,

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would have made it if my

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>wife would have left me, because basically I would have

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 1>had nobody and I was not gonna just let any

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 1>random person come and sit and talk to me about

0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>compunching nothing. Um. I felt like the only person that

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>I could talk to at the time was her. I

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 1>thank god she listened because she used to come visit

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.800
<v Speaker 1>and we'll spend three days in the visiting room. You

0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 1>only get twenty four hours in a month total. You know,

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.240
<v Speaker 1>we'll spend eight hours a day, three days in a

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>row and just burn it off and sit there and

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>just talk and we will argue and fight and laugh

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 1>and joke and crying and kiss each other. And you know,

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 1>I need I needed that strength when I knew she

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>was coming to visit. You know, the weakness she made

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 1>the time to go by faster. I say that, and uh,

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 1>And there was nothing physical. It was all mental and

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 1>emotional and I respected that part. It was really cool experience, man,

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 1>and just dealing with that now. You know, like we're

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 1>like inseparable. We have to take a break and morning

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.240
<v Speaker 1>a thing. We gotta pay some bills. You got checks.

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:33.480
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0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:38.000
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0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:45.000
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0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.920
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<v Speaker 1>Smith Singer, what about online? And you can follow us

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0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.600
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0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 1>listen to podcasts. I got all my questions answered. That's

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 1>what I'm here for. A brother, cut to a podcast

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 1>dot com. I'll talk to you, bro, and played against

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 1>you prior to you get going incarceration, and I've listened

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 1>to you speak and talked to you outside of after incarceration. Bro.

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 1>If you're the winning incarceration about three years into your career, Bro,

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 1>you still be playing right now. Wow. I know just

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 1>the way he sees the game, the way the way

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 1>he speaks, the way he carries himself. Like I met

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Vic and the whole we've met each other. We were

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 1>drafted the same class we took. It's funny I knew

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 1>I was. I knew that I felt like I was

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 1>respected coming out of draft class because they put you

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>in categories in the combine and then the combine I was.

0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 1>It was funny me, Vic and Quincy while all at

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 1>that long table and there was our rotation for our

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 1>drug test, and we also took the wonder Lick in there.

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:08.879
<v Speaker 1>And let me tell you something, taking a wonder lick

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 1>with some dudes that know they're gonna make it, but

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 1>also some dudes who didn't really pay attention to school

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 1>as well, we were all looking at the look tests like,

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I hope you got the answers because oh I got

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:26.359
<v Speaker 1>it right, and so I was class and I believe

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 1>one of the best draft class because you got Drew

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Brees and that drafts Michael Vick, that Tana Moss, Reggie

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Wayne the day time. I mean, just Michael Vick's It's unbelievable,

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 1>even down to the other guys in that draft class, right,

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:45.799
<v Speaker 1>Damn Morgan, Right, there's so many guys man. Yeah, yeah,

0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>I remember watching you broadness, like seeing you to day,

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:56.879
<v Speaker 1>hearing you today, like it's just just remarkable that what

0:34:56.960 --> 0:35:02.799
<v Speaker 1>you went through for most people would hurt them. You

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 1>grow you grow up just like me. We grew up

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 1>in in in what society would call us at risk youth,

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 1>being an at risk youth, you grew up not relying

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 1>on anybody, not depending on and not trusting anybody. However,

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 1>in the midst of all your trouble and all your

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, using your word, the findness that with the

0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 1>way you conducted yourself in your relationship with your with

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>your better half, right, it sounds like that you actually

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 1>learned how to really connect and have a transparent and

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 1>real relational relationship with your your wife at the first time,

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:58.879
<v Speaker 1>non physical and almost a true courtship. Yep. I learned

0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:01.359
<v Speaker 1>to communicate with her. I learned to talk to her.

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I learned to get feelings out of her that that

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 1>I needed, you know, that I needed it and she

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>needed and um, you know, I really wish I had

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>my dad in my life, you know, growing up, like,

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:14.920
<v Speaker 1>because I felt like he would have taught me a

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of things in terms of relationships. You know, he

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 1>was there, but I didn't see you know, you learned

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.400
<v Speaker 1>by example, So I didn't see him being affects me.

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't see him talking to my mom and

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>sitting her down or you know, argument and having you know,

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe a serious argument, but then you know, you know,

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 1>it all boils over and then they back to you know,

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the back to the normal that normalselves. I didn't see that.

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 1>I seen it in the different lands. It was a

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:39.840
<v Speaker 1>little rougher, you know, it was more you know, it

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.319
<v Speaker 1>was you know, it was only abusive side, don't keep

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>it real, you know. So I was like, you know,

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I had no real concept of what you know, relationship

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be. Like, so I think you know

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 1>this in that the time period. She kind of helped

0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 1>me to, you know, learn like what a relationship was

0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 1>supposed to look like in the best part about it,

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.240
<v Speaker 1>like you just said it was it was non physical

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and then that So I think that helped, you know,

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:08.279
<v Speaker 1>help the both of us in a sense. I know

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:13.920
<v Speaker 1>every situation is different. So what was the reinstatement process

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 1>for you? Like, because we hear like reinstatement, you hear,

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, you hear guys are frustrated with my reinstatement.

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.839
<v Speaker 1>What's the deal? You know, as if as if the

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 1>NFL or the institution suspending them because they didn't like

0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 1>their outfit that day, right, you know, I want to know,

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:40.080
<v Speaker 1>really what is the what is the process? Like give

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 1>us detail of you know, not to get anybody in trouble,

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 1>just kind of paint the paint the picture, because I mean,

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:51.360
<v Speaker 1>I've been suspended and I had to do the evaluation process.

0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, I punched you guys, so I had to go.

0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:58.080
<v Speaker 1>They flew me. Actually I think they drove me, Jake

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Drewman flow. I don't know which time though. Anyway, they

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 1>drew one time they drove the other time we flew

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and I had to do evaluation with a counselor. And

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 1>that evaluation stunk because I was fresh off that I

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:13.240
<v Speaker 1>don't care about yeah, right, I felt justified in my actions,

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and so I had the evaluation. It was literally a

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 1>ten hour process, right and so, and it basically came

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 1>back and I was like I was sitting in the

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:24.400
<v Speaker 1>whole evaluation body language. I was slouched down, hat to

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 1>the side, like, look, I'm just gonna do my time

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 1>going through the motions, you know, but your your step

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:34.759
<v Speaker 1>was a lot more tedious. It required a lot more

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.800
<v Speaker 1>energy and a lot more meetings because everybody does that.

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:40.919
<v Speaker 1>You gotta slap on the wrist and you just moved

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:42.800
<v Speaker 1>on with your life. What we know is not true

0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 1>because most most of the places you've been on really

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 1>don't want to want to really know what you intail.

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:50.879
<v Speaker 1>They want to know why did you do that? What

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:53.239
<v Speaker 1>were you thinking? But we want to know the process. Man.

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to know why that shirt look good

0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>on Mike Vic, you know, I want to know what

0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:02.840
<v Speaker 1>goes what goes through through the whole process. I'm trying

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 1>to look like a handsome, my skin brother like myself,

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 1>No doubt, I gotta give you that. I gotta give

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 1>you that, bro. Let me tell it. Let me tell

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 1>you man. It was. It was. It was rigorous. It

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 1>was tough process because, first of all, when when I

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 1>was on pre track, right before I went to turn

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:26.279
<v Speaker 1>myself in to go to go to prison, my wife

0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>and one of my friends told me, like, you know,

0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 1>don't you know, don't don't smoke. I'm like, well, I'm

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:33.280
<v Speaker 1>stressed out and I need to. I need to smoke,

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, Uh, I need to smoke marijuana. I need to.

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 1>This is what I need to do. They like, no,

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:43.760
<v Speaker 1>don't do it, like you know, I'm not gonna get tested. Boom,

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>I get tested. Now I'm in the drug program with

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the League. It strength is up, my probation like everything

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:53.719
<v Speaker 1>just like got snapped down on me. And so my

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 1>process was tougher because I was in the in the

0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:00.200
<v Speaker 1>drug program and now I'm getting all these questions of uh,

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:02.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, why did I, you know, smoke marijuana before

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I before I even went into prison, and knowing that

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I was suspended from the League, So I put myself

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:13.400
<v Speaker 1>in a vulnerable situation. So my process really started. It

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 1>started with Roger Um being Roger Met and you know,

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I told you he was like, look, we're not here

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:24.080
<v Speaker 1>to talk about the past. You here to talk about

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:26.440
<v Speaker 1>the future. And then we had we had conversations and

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:28.799
<v Speaker 1>he was like, well, you know, I'm gonna send you

0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:30.800
<v Speaker 1>over to another group to meet where. And it was

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:33.879
<v Speaker 1>like a group of like ten people in the room

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:36.839
<v Speaker 1>with myself and they they grilled me. They asked me

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 1>questions from A to Z about my friends, about family,

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, about money, about the dog fighting, the truthfulness

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:47.640
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of things that had to come out,

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:49.719
<v Speaker 1>you know that that you know, it was the one

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 1>sided with the media. Um. But and I hadn't had

0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 1>a chance to sit down and talk with everybody. So

0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 1>I my evaluation process was what type of help did

0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:00.839
<v Speaker 1>you really need? And it was you know, I think

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:03.799
<v Speaker 1>that figured out, like, Yo, you're really not you know,

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:07.879
<v Speaker 1>a psychopathic person. You really are not crazy. You know, Um,

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you know what happened to you. You know, you could

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.400
<v Speaker 1>have made better judgment, it could have made better decisions

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:15.879
<v Speaker 1>that we think you acknowledge that it and we see

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 1>your your empathy behind what you're saying you're gonna do,

0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and you know, we feel like you really care, you know.

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.120
<v Speaker 1>So that was a that was funny like a two

0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:28.040
<v Speaker 1>month process. Um. And and also it was a plan

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 1>and not have me, you know, start as a you know,

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:33.320
<v Speaker 1>be a starter when I came back to the league.

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't see it that way, but I think just

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.399
<v Speaker 1>behind it was, you know, we don't know what type

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:41.440
<v Speaker 1>of reception you're really gonna get, you know, so it

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>was a lot of like we're ready to risk it

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 1>off for you. Um. We we love your respect you

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 1>as as a man and as a football player, and

0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 1>we don't give you a shot and see how I go.

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>And that's all I wanted. So you know, it was

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 1>designed for me not to be a start. I think

0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:58.799
<v Speaker 1>I landed in Philly. It was a blessing. I landed

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:03.319
<v Speaker 1>in Philadelphia. And yeah, so so that was it. So

0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:05.839
<v Speaker 1>it all happened within like, uh maybe like a six

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 1>month time space because Tony Dungee came to visit me

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 1>in prison. He helped start the process, um and then

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 1>help you know to just see me talk to me. UM.

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 1>A couple of representatives from Atlanta Falcons came out to Blank,

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:25.200
<v Speaker 1>came out, um spoke to Andy Reid on one occasion. UM.

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 1>So so yeah, I was just kind of like going

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 1>through you know, just that normal you know what it

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:34.359
<v Speaker 1>takes to get reinstated process and I've never been through

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 1>it before, but you know, just what I did before

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.480
<v Speaker 1>made it harder and then uh I thank god Roger

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 1>made it easy. At the end, I was I became

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 1>a free agent. Uh you know at plus I think

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 1>of thirteen years and man, when I was going for

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:55.319
<v Speaker 1>heading up the free agency bro it was like and um,

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>ten teams interested in me. Yeah. When I finally hit

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 1>free a se and the Panthers release me, man, it

0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:08.279
<v Speaker 1>went to like foll teams. Yeah yeah, and I was

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 1>really it was really different to be a free agent

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 1>for myself, it was a it was an outpum. I

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 1>was older, so you know, I didn't have as many teams.

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:22.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering what the you know, what was the free

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 1>agency process for you? And then how did you come

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:30.440
<v Speaker 1>to the conclusion that Philly was the team? Well, Philly

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:33.239
<v Speaker 1>was the only choice, like and it was like, they

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:36.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't make me go to Philly, but they it was

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 1>like set up to you know, go learn from Donavan.

0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 1>My agent thought it was Joe Seguer. At the time,

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was a great idea to go sit

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 1>behind Donovan. They already head Kevin Cordon can kind of

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 1>work yourself back into shape. But I'm like, yo, nah,

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 1>it's Buffalo needs a quarterback. I think they head that

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 1>was at the time. And then uh, I think Cousin

0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Palmer just part of ways with Cincinnati or they needed

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:02.840
<v Speaker 1>to back up. He was there for like his last

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 1>season and they needed it. But I was just looking

0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:08.640
<v Speaker 1>at those situations like those are possible opportunities for me

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:10.759
<v Speaker 1>to come back and start and get myself back in

0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:13.000
<v Speaker 1>shape and come back and show the league. But you know,

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:17.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm back and I'm ready. And you know what I

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:20.560
<v Speaker 1>realized my first practice in Philadelphia. Before I talked about

0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:23.840
<v Speaker 1>how I got signed there, I won't ready. My legs

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:27.120
<v Speaker 1>the shot. My body wasn't in shape. You know, they

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:28.800
<v Speaker 1>took the weights when I was in when I was

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:32.719
<v Speaker 1>in prison, so I couldn't work out. So you know,

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.160
<v Speaker 1>when I went through that process, it was like Philadelphia

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:37.399
<v Speaker 1>wants you, and then get it work for Andy Reid.

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, you get the book behind Donovan. You don't

0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 1>have to start. You can just take a year and

0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 1>get yourself together. And then it started to make sense

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 1>to me when it was being explained to me, especially

0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 1>by my agent, and you know, he's like, you just

0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 1>don't want to go up and go out there and

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:53.600
<v Speaker 1>then look like you know nothing. And then you know

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 1>you're getting booed by the fans and they protesting, and

0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, you turn the city upside down just like that,

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of work yourself back into it. And

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:04.279
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was the right way to go about

0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:05.719
<v Speaker 1>it as I thought about it. And you know, like

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 1>I said, I wanted to be sure about my decision

0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 1>making in that process, and you know, didn't want to

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 1>disrespect Andy Read at all. I thought he was a

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:17.280
<v Speaker 1>great coach from a far any way, working with Donovan,

0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:18.319
<v Speaker 1>and I felt like it was a year that I

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 1>can just go learn play there for a year or

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 1>be there, learn as much as I can do my job,

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 1>and then hopefully go somewhere the next year. In free agency,

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 1>you lost so much control, yeah, you know, in your carceration,

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 1>and now all of a sudden you have a little

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:37.399
<v Speaker 1>bit of opportunity and now you you you back trying

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:41.799
<v Speaker 1>to control everything, trying to remove God from his plan.

0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 1>And and and as this song goes, uh, instead of

0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:49.319
<v Speaker 1>taking a wheel, you instead of letting the Lord take

0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:51.799
<v Speaker 1>the wheel. You want to take the wheel back. I

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 1>wanted the will I wanted I wanted the ball in

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:56.279
<v Speaker 1>my hands, you know. And think about it, it it had

0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:58.799
<v Speaker 1>they had nothing to do with football, Like my I

0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:01.799
<v Speaker 1>wasn't playing bad football, you know before I left. Oh,

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:08.239
<v Speaker 1>I know, I remember, you wasn't playing bad ball at all.

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm playing bad ball at all. So I'm like, I

0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:12.480
<v Speaker 1>gotta get back and back. What was it? It was

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:15.520
<v Speaker 1>no football to prove, now that I think about it,

0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:18.160
<v Speaker 1>it was no football to prove. And it's it's the

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 1>shame that it. It took this conversation, you know, eleven

0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 1>twelve years later to realize the football wasn't the issue.

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, It was the issue of you know, what

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:31.239
<v Speaker 1>I was returning from and how people felt about it realistically,

0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:33.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, and and and that's that's what it was,

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 1>you know. That was that was the fight. And now

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I see how you know, um, you know, it was

0:46:39.960 --> 0:46:42.480
<v Speaker 1>navigated to to to make it a storybook in it,

0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 1>so job well done to Andy and Roger and Asian Joel,

0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:49.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, and and all those guys you know who

0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:52.920
<v Speaker 1>played a major part in it. You know, Um, Tony Dungee,

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:56.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was all static. And you know, when

0:46:57.600 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 1>my guys get together even get some good good result

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:04.239
<v Speaker 1>is usually so thank God for that. Hey, Mike, you

0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:06.800
<v Speaker 1>you were going to get into the free agency story

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:10.000
<v Speaker 1>with with get going to the Eagles, but talk a

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 1>little bit, or would you tell us the relationship you

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 1>have with Donovan McNabb. I know you talked about how

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 1>he had an influence with you and and you know

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff, but you were getting recruited by Syracuse.

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:27.799
<v Speaker 1>He was already there. Yeah, yeah, Donovan was my idol. Man.

0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Donovan made me believe that I could I could play

0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:34.279
<v Speaker 1>college football, um and play my style of football. Like

0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:37.200
<v Speaker 1>when I was saying my senior year, I think he

0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:40.360
<v Speaker 1>was in his junior year. And you know I watched

0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:45.879
<v Speaker 1>him my freshman sophomore year, like its freshman sophomore year, Syracuston.

0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yo, man, this dude is a baller. Like

0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:49.640
<v Speaker 1>he looked like me when I'm in the backyard with

0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:52.959
<v Speaker 1>my boys, Like he looked like me, or I looked

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 1>like him. And I'm like, man, you know what I'm

0:47:55.239 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 1>watching close to see if he go to the NFL

0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:00.279
<v Speaker 1>and see if the league draft him because they don't

0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:02.840
<v Speaker 1>take quarterbacks like that, and I think he I know

0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:05.120
<v Speaker 1>he can be good if he if you know, if

0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the team believed, or if he got a shot. You know,

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:09.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm just looking at him from a talent perspective. So

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:13.319
<v Speaker 1>he was like my idol. And then my senior year,

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I took a visit to Syracuse and spend some time

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:18.960
<v Speaker 1>with him down there, and he came persuade me to

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 1>come to Syracuse because I just didn't want to follow

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:25.319
<v Speaker 1>somebody else's legacy. I wanted to create my own. But

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I still you know, when I went to Tech, I

0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:30.360
<v Speaker 1>admired him from Afar. I've seen it. He got drafted.

0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:32.719
<v Speaker 1>He gave me hope, and I'm like, man, this dude

0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:35.120
<v Speaker 1>the man. You know. So the first three or four

0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:38.200
<v Speaker 1>years he in the NFC championship games multiple times, and

0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, man, that's that's style worked. So he just

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I just continued to stay a fan of his. And

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:45.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, once I played two years of college law

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 1>and got to the league, Donald was one of the

0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:50.080
<v Speaker 1>first people I called to help me make a decision

0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:53.720
<v Speaker 1>on if I was ready to come to the NFL,

0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:55.879
<v Speaker 1>and he told me to look mad if he feel

0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:57.800
<v Speaker 1>like it's nothing else to prove then then then you

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:00.360
<v Speaker 1>got to make that jump. So he just influenced and that,

0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:03.120
<v Speaker 1>and then you know, I always was a fan of his,

0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:05.160
<v Speaker 1>and even when we had to play against each other

0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:07.640
<v Speaker 1>and go ahead the head, it was like fun, you know,

0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:09.960
<v Speaker 1>and that you know the times, you know, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>reason I didn't go to the super Bowl, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years, you know, so you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't let he wouldn't let little bro get one off.

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<v Speaker 1>He wouldn't let me get the win. But it was cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I went to Philly, it was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm anna stepping in the locker room with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not only a friend, but really somebody that I idolized

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<v Speaker 1>growing up. So I get to watch him work and

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<v Speaker 1>see why he went to NFC championship games and played

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<v Speaker 1>in the super Bowl, and maybe the next time around

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 1>for me, I can take a little bit of that

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<v Speaker 1>with me. So I relationship, uh was was real, real,

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:43.560
<v Speaker 1>real unique, and uh you know, Don was a great dude. Man.

0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:45.799
<v Speaker 1>He had kept me laughing every day and I just

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:48.080
<v Speaker 1>some days I just don't believe I was in the

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<v Speaker 1>locker room with him. It was that real. I think

0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:56.759
<v Speaker 1>it's about that time. Just take a little breather, get down,

0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Hey your art? Why did you get that T shirt?

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0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:25.080
<v Speaker 1>everything's going on, you get picked up by Philly. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you have to have precautionary things put in place? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>If so, were you know where you Was it voluntary

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<v Speaker 1>on your part or was it wasn't required? I was

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<v Speaker 1>on probation. Yeah, I had a curfew. I had a curfew.

0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I was a grown man with a kirkfew. You know,

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:45.280
<v Speaker 1>I had to be in the house. But like ten

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:50.440
<v Speaker 1>bullcraft happened one day one day and then you know,

0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:53.200
<v Speaker 1>well not me but people around me. And then that

0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:57.440
<v Speaker 1>kirkfew winded when like strive o'clock and I couldn't leave

0:50:57.520 --> 0:51:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia one time. Stories untold, but you know, um, you know,

0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:07.000
<v Speaker 1>just just still was kind of like you know, straddling

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<v Speaker 1>defense a little bit. Now. I was doing what I

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<v Speaker 1>needed to do, but still like some of the wrong

0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:14.919
<v Speaker 1>people was just showing up at inconvenient times and little

0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:17.480
<v Speaker 1>things just happening. That was just I had nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>do with it. Nothing note out of my control. It's

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:21.480
<v Speaker 1>just like it was like, well, what are you doing

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:23.640
<v Speaker 1>around this person? Now I wasn't around him. He came

0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:26.239
<v Speaker 1>around me, you know. So a couple of those little

0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:29.040
<v Speaker 1>issues which led to, you know, a lot of restrictions

0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:30.800
<v Speaker 1>when and I was on probas Soon you know, I

0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:34.160
<v Speaker 1>saw obviously sending a probation officer and the council like

0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:36.080
<v Speaker 1>two to three times in a week like it was.

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:38.719
<v Speaker 1>It was it was mind bogging, like they you know,

0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I had a councilor that came every weekend. I couldn't

0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:44.799
<v Speaker 1>dodge him because that was mandated by the NFL, you know. Um,

0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:47.120
<v Speaker 1>but he helped me out. That man was there for me,

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:51.160
<v Speaker 1>like that season I started twenty ten like he was.

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:54.160
<v Speaker 1>He became my best friend, still one of my great

0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:58.000
<v Speaker 1>friends to this day. Man. And um, you know, I

0:51:58.080 --> 0:51:59.759
<v Speaker 1>got so much respect for him. Man, I got some

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.719
<v Speaker 1>respectful and we still talk about the world and what's

0:52:02.800 --> 0:52:06.080
<v Speaker 1>going on in social justice. Now. You know, he's he's

0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:08.759
<v Speaker 1>he's a white man, you know, he's and he's like

0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:12.200
<v Speaker 1>sixty sixty eight years old, but his perspective on life

0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:14.839
<v Speaker 1>is amazing, and you know, I almost kind of look

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:16.680
<v Speaker 1>at him as as a father's figure. So that was

0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.279
<v Speaker 1>one great thing that came out of that hole situation.

0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:21.640
<v Speaker 1>It was a lot more. But you know, I met

0:52:21.680 --> 0:52:25.000
<v Speaker 1>a guy who, um, I could say to this day

0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:27.440
<v Speaker 1>care about Mike vick Mann. You know, I don't care

0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:31.279
<v Speaker 1>about football week. Our conversations extended so far outside of

0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:35.520
<v Speaker 1>football that you know, it became real personal and uh,

0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, so yeah, you know, not a restrictions band.

0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 1>But I've worked my way through it. I navigated Well,

0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:51.279
<v Speaker 1>you just heard part one of Michael vick Steve. When

0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the VIC story broke and all this came out and

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<v Speaker 1>became public, what was the reaction from you and players

0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:04.160
<v Speaker 1>around the league? No, you didn't believe it, No, no way,

0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:08.440
<v Speaker 1>like nah, he couldn't been doing this. And as as

0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:12.680
<v Speaker 1>things kind of kept unraveling, you start to see that

0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:15.759
<v Speaker 1>that was there was a true rabbit hole that they

0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:20.239
<v Speaker 1>were in all the different stories, and it was it

0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:25.239
<v Speaker 1>was unraveling at a rate that was so rapid it

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<v Speaker 1>was hard to really process is it, is it true

0:53:28.160 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 1>or not? And but here's one thing we all know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care where you grew up. I don't care

0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:35.640
<v Speaker 1>what you're in or not into. When the FBI come

0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:38.600
<v Speaker 1>knocking on the door, and I'd ask, they ain't doing

0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:44.120
<v Speaker 1>a wellness checking right they already having. It's really is

0:53:44.200 --> 0:53:46.759
<v Speaker 1>how big of all, how deeper of a hole are

0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:49.680
<v Speaker 1>you gonna dig yourself in? It shocked all of us,

0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:53.200
<v Speaker 1>and it shocked is. Even more is the time that

0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:56.480
<v Speaker 1>he received and what he had to do and what

0:53:56.680 --> 0:54:00.840
<v Speaker 1>he went through. It was really a real and he

0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:03.960
<v Speaker 1>lived here in Charlotte. We were getting a lot of

0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:06.560
<v Speaker 1>information because it ain't none but three hours away. So

0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:09.400
<v Speaker 1>as they say, the streets were talking. There was a

0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:12.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of stories out there that good battering different. I

0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:16.239
<v Speaker 1>don't really don't. I didn't really listen to them because hell,

0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 1>the same stories you could say about a ton of

0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:23.360
<v Speaker 1>different people. Right, Being a football player it's no different,

0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:28.080
<v Speaker 1>or being an athlete, celebrities, entertainers, no different than anybody

0:54:28.160 --> 0:54:32.399
<v Speaker 1>else's life. The only the only difference is you get

0:54:32.400 --> 0:54:34.320
<v Speaker 1>to see our lives on fold in front of a camera.

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<v Speaker 1>The question is if we followed you around with a

0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:40.160
<v Speaker 1>camera twenty five hours a day, what will we find?

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<v Speaker 1>And people forget that you know so so before you

0:54:44.239 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 1>get your before you get your threes smooth stones, you know,

0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:56.160
<v Speaker 1>get them skeletons at your So that was really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you enjoy it, but also no, there's two parts,

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<v Speaker 1>Part two coming up. Yes, and there's even it's even

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<v Speaker 1>more so I love it. Cut to It with Steve

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