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Speaker 1: It's all okay. Alright, me and my wife foolishly decided

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Speaker 1: he's not remorseful, he's sitting in his in his dirty

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00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, And I just I personally don't cannot

426
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: sit there, even visiting men in prison, myself sitting there

427
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: going they may not the first week or two weeks

428
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: of the first month, but this brother has seventeen other

429
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: months to go. Ain't nobody getting them out? He's not

430
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: getting a free plane of hurt. I cannot explain the

431
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: hurt from that stuff. Like, man, So this is how

432
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: much it hurt. It hurt me that it became normal

433
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: being in it. It hurt me that it became normal

434
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: on a Friday night walking in track looking out at

435
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: the rest of the world, cause going by people going

436
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: by and saying, damn, it's life that really exists. I

437
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: then I don't have freedom, you know. And you know,

438
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: I just felt like from the start when I found

439
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: out that I was first going to prison, I just

440
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: kept looking at myself in the mirror like, oh, you're

441
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: going to prison. You're going to prison. I know what

442
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like, or trying to imagine and you know,

443
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: like you just trying to wake up from it, like yo,

444
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: is this really real? And then next thing you're still

445
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: living in I'm like, damn, like this is this is

446
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: really happening, you know, and you know, just so it's

447
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: just so sad, bro like just so um not have

448
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: control after having control of my entire life and leading away.

449
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: You know, I'm driving it. I'm driving the train. I'm

450
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: starring the train everywhere and every direction I wanted to go,

451
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: and then I just I stared it off the track. Boom,

452
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: and now we just crashed. You over there, you're banning,

453
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: and it's just like damn, like you know, you got

454
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: to pick up the pieces, man, I really pick up

455
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: the pieces and get myself together and like lost everything,

456
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: lost off, lost everybody, putting, my wife, everything with my wife,

457
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: you still standing there, standing tall in the end, you know,

458
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: And even when I was telling her when I came back,

459
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: like some I'm on a bench right now, I'm the

460
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: third quarterback, but I just need a shot. She believed

461
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: in me, you know, but she believed in me as

462
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: a man, and I was going to change, you know,

463
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: and actually know another thing that like that transformation too,

464
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: Like she's just been a big inspiration in my life.

465
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: Is just helping the change and look at the world differently,

466
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: understand things and know that she can be just as

467
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, reliable and you know, assertive and her friendships

468
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, as a man as somebody else that I

469
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: felt like I needed comfort in. Like I kind of

470
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 1: put that you know, on this on her now and

471
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: we put it on each other and you know, made

472
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: a stronger maybe stronger to this day. Did you think

473
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: did you think she'll leave you? Did you think she'll

474
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: stay you? Oh? Going through that? Um yeah, Steve, because um,

475
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: you know I was real fouling my day. Man. I

476
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: was like yo, man, you know, no respect, you know, Um,

477
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: I had no idea of what it was like to

478
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: maintain a real relationship and you know, to love somebody

479
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: who truly loved you. You know, I was caught up

480
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: in that whole spotlight, my thick life, you know, the

481
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: money to fame, you know, I was caught up and

482
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: all that, you know, and it took for God, that

483
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: like put me in a vulnerable situation where like she

484
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: wrote me down while I was like, yo, no, I

485
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: I changed it all. I'll give it all up, you know,

486
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: just to have you. You know, So I you know,

487
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: I thought because of that, because I went through that

488
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: with her prior that when I left, it's like you

489
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: made another bonehead decision. You deal with that to yourself. No,

490
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: she's there. She's right there when I came home, every

491
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: step of the way, every phone call. Damn, that's true loyalty,

492
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: you know. That's why I learned loyalty like it can

493
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: come from the coming a lot of different ways and

494
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: a lot of different people. I respect that. So you

495
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: you basically twenty almost almost thirty years old, and you're

496
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: just figuring out what real loyal to is, especially coming

497
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: from the hood, from the hood where we we think

498
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: we know a loyalty is just because of you know,

499
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: when you're in the bottom or you got is your word? Yeah, yeah,

500
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: also talked to just naturally, we talked to this trust too, right,

501
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: So that's that's already ingrained too. So when you have

502
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: an experience like mine had and you have these people

503
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: that fail you, it gets stripped away. But man, thank

504
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: thank god, your wife was able to stay with you

505
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: through that entire stretch. And it was and it sounds

506
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: almost as if she was a motivating factor when he

507
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: was behind the wall. Yeah, she was the strength. She

508
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: was the strength I need to that first two weeks

509
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: and I cried every day, like, see you on the plone, Stoom,

510
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: be all right, stoom, be all right, you can get

511
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: you got you, you could do this. I'm like, nah,

512
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I don't know what you're talking about.

513
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 1: I don't. You know. You you out there living, breathing

514
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: and as you supposed to be, and I'm right here

515
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: dealing with this crap, you know, and I'm blaming everybody.

516
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: Now I'm pointing finger and this person. And now I'm

517
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: just I'm upset, you know, I'm mad. You know that

518
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: that that that kid to keep unlocking that door. Ain't

519
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: let me out, you know. So I'm like, yeah, I'm stuck.

520
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: You know, I'm in the box right now, you know.

521
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: But she was just always encouraging me and you know,

522
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: making me laughing. You know, we talked for hours. I

523
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: ran that bill up crazy and then I had like

524
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: an eight thousand dollars bill. When I left, I was

525
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: only there for like I was on with the initial prison.

526
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: I went to just as a holding facility when they

527
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: was just holding me. Um. I stayed there for about

528
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: maybe like forty five days. So yeah, I left for

529
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: like an eight thousand dollars phone bill because all and

530
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: and the way the phone was set up was that

531
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: you could just call back right after talking fifteen minutes

532
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: and you got a call back. You can call back

533
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: and talk. I was just keep on the phone all day,

534
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: all day, and that's you know, that was that bridge

535
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: the gap and helped me get through that little part

536
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: and to uh they took me to leven Worth. So

537
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: and I was really leaving when I went to eleven Worth, man,

538
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: I was. I was at a prison camp. So I

539
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: wasn't like behind no serious wall, even though when I

540
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: first pulled up, they pulled me up in front of

541
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: the leaven Worth Prison, the real prison, and I was like,

542
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: oh god, they they got me this time, you know,

543
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: and the guy was like, you know, e's up. You

544
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: know you ain't going over there, You're going over here,

545
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: and you know, but you know, it still was you know,

546
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: it was it was a facility where it was like

547
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: you couldn't leave it, you know, you couldn't you couldn't

548
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: leave it. And uh so, man, it was just uh

549
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, being in Kansas and being away from my family,

550
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: losing that connection, you know, that was tough. Man. And

551
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: then I had I had three young kids too. I

552
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: had my oldest son and then my two daughters and

553
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 1: my youngest daughter who was twelve nine. Name is London.

554
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: She was just born in a month old when I myself,

555
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: and so that was a part of it, her to

556
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: a big part of her. Would you would have made

557
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: it if your wife wasn't there to talk to you

558
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: every day? No, Honestly, that's another good question because that's

559
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: something that I never been asked or I had a

560
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: conversation with people where it came out. I'm gonna know,

561
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have made it if my

562
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: wife would have left me, because basically I would have

563
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: had nobody and I was not gonna just let any

564
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: random person come and sit and talk to me about

565
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: compunching nothing. Um. I felt like the only person that

566
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: I could talk to at the time was her. I

567
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: thank god she listened because she used to come visit

568
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: and we'll spend three days in the visiting room. You

569
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: only get twenty four hours in a month total. You know,

570
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: we'll spend eight hours a day, three days in a

571
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: row and just burn it off and sit there and

572
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: just talk and we will argue and fight and laugh

573
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: and joke and crying and kiss each other. And you know,

574
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: I need I needed that strength when I knew she

575
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: was coming to visit. You know, the weakness she made

576
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: the time to go by faster. I say that, and uh,

577
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: And there was nothing physical. It was all mental and

578
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: emotional and I respected that part. It was really cool experience, man,

579
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: and just dealing with that now. You know, like we're

580
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: like inseparable. We have to take a break and morning

581
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: a thing. We gotta pay some bills. You got checks.

582
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: I love cut to It and I love it even

583
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: more when you download us and subscribe, and you can

584
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: follow us on social media too, Smithie where where at?

585
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: That's at cut to It on Instagram? What about Twitter?

586
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: At cut to It Facebook? Cut to It featuring Steve

587
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: Smith Singer, what about online? And you can follow us

588
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: at cut to It podcast dot com where you can

589
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: buy merch and you can subscribe to us wherever you

590
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: listen to podcasts. I got all my questions answered. That's

591
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: what I'm here for. A brother, cut to a podcast

592
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: dot com. I'll talk to you, bro, and played against

593
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: you prior to you get going incarceration, and I've listened

594
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: to you speak and talked to you outside of after incarceration. Bro.

595
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: If you're the winning incarceration about three years into your career, Bro,

596
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: you still be playing right now. Wow. I know just

597
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: the way he sees the game, the way the way

598
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: he speaks, the way he carries himself. Like I met

599
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: Vic and the whole we've met each other. We were

600
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: drafted the same class we took. It's funny I knew

601
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: I was. I knew that I felt like I was

602
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: respected coming out of draft class because they put you

603
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: in categories in the combine and then the combine I was.

604
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: It was funny me, Vic and Quincy while all at

605
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: that long table and there was our rotation for our

606
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: drug test, and we also took the wonder Lick in there.

607
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, taking a wonder lick

608
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: with some dudes that know they're gonna make it, but

609
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: also some dudes who didn't really pay attention to school

610
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: as well, we were all looking at the look tests like,

611
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: I hope you got the answers because oh I got

612
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: it right, and so I was class and I believe

613
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: one of the best draft class because you got Drew

614
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: Brees and that drafts Michael Vick, that Tana Moss, Reggie

615
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: Wayne the day time. I mean, just Michael Vick's It's unbelievable,

616
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: even down to the other guys in that draft class, right,

617
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: Damn Morgan, Right, there's so many guys man. Yeah, yeah,

618
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: I remember watching you broadness, like seeing you to day,

619
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: hearing you today, like it's just just remarkable that what

620
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: you went through for most people would hurt them. You

621
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: grow you grow up just like me. We grew up

622
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: in in in what society would call us at risk youth,

623
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: being an at risk youth, you grew up not relying

624
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: on anybody, not depending on and not trusting anybody. However,

625
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: in the midst of all your trouble and all your

626
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, using your word, the findness that with the

627
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: way you conducted yourself in your relationship with your with

628
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: your better half, right, it sounds like that you actually

629
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: learned how to really connect and have a transparent and

630
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: real relational relationship with your your wife at the first time,

631
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: non physical and almost a true courtship. Yep. I learned

632
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: to communicate with her. I learned to talk to her.

633
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: I learned to get feelings out of her that that

634
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: I needed, you know, that I needed it and she

635
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: needed and um, you know, I really wish I had

636
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: my dad in my life, you know, growing up, like,

637
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: because I felt like he would have taught me a

638
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: lot of things in terms of relationships. You know, he

639
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: was there, but I didn't see you know, you learned

640
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: by example, So I didn't see him being affects me.

641
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: I just didn't see him talking to my mom and

642
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: sitting her down or you know, argument and having you know,

643
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: maybe a serious argument, but then you know, you know,

644
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: it all boils over and then they back to you know,

645
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: the back to the normal that normalselves. I didn't see that.

646
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: I seen it in the different lands. It was a

647
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: little rougher, you know, it was more you know, it

648
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: was you know, it was only abusive side, don't keep

649
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: it real, you know. So I was like, you know,

650
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: I had no real concept of what you know, relationship

651
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: was supposed to be. Like, so I think you know

652
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: this in that the time period. She kind of helped

653
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: me to, you know, learn like what a relationship was

654
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: supposed to look like in the best part about it,

655
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: like you just said it was it was non physical

656
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: and then that So I think that helped, you know,

657
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: help the both of us in a sense. I know

658
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: every situation is different. So what was the reinstatement process

659
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: for you? Like, because we hear like reinstatement, you hear,

660
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: you know, you hear guys are frustrated with my reinstatement.

661
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: What's the deal? You know, as if as if the

662
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: NFL or the institution suspending them because they didn't like

663
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: their outfit that day, right, you know, I want to know,

664
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: really what is the what is the process? Like give

665
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: us detail of you know, not to get anybody in trouble,

666
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: just kind of paint the paint the picture, because I mean,

667
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: I've been suspended and I had to do the evaluation process.

668
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: You know, I punched you guys, so I had to go.

669
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: They flew me. Actually I think they drove me, Jake

670
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: Drewman flow. I don't know which time though. Anyway, they

671
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: drew one time they drove the other time we flew

672
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: and I had to do evaluation with a counselor. And

673
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: that evaluation stunk because I was fresh off that I

674
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: don't care about yeah, right, I felt justified in my actions,

675
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: and so I had the evaluation. It was literally a

676
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: ten hour process, right and so, and it basically came

677
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: back and I was like I was sitting in the

678
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: whole evaluation body language. I was slouched down, hat to

679
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: the side, like, look, I'm just gonna do my time

680
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: going through the motions, you know, but your your step

681
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: was a lot more tedious. It required a lot more

682
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: energy and a lot more meetings because everybody does that.

683
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: You gotta slap on the wrist and you just moved

684
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: on with your life. What we know is not true

685
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: because most most of the places you've been on really

686
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: don't want to want to really know what you intail.

687
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: They want to know why did you do that? What

688
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: were you thinking? But we want to know the process. Man.

689
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to know why that shirt look good

690
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: on Mike Vic, you know, I want to know what

691
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: goes what goes through through the whole process. I'm trying

692
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: to look like a handsome, my skin brother like myself,

693
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: No doubt, I gotta give you that. I gotta give

694
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: you that, bro. Let me tell it. Let me tell

695
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: you man. It was. It was. It was rigorous. It

696
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: was tough process because, first of all, when when I

697
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: was on pre track, right before I went to turn

698
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: myself in to go to go to prison, my wife

699
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: and one of my friends told me, like, you know,

700
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: don't you know, don't don't smoke. I'm like, well, I'm

701
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: stressed out and I need to. I need to smoke,

702
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, I need to smoke marijuana. I need to.

703
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: This is what I need to do. They like, no,

704
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: don't do it, like you know, I'm not gonna get tested. Boom,

705
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: I get tested. Now I'm in the drug program with

706
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: the League. It strength is up, my probation like everything

707
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: just like got snapped down on me. And so my

708
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: process was tougher because I was in the in the

709
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: drug program and now I'm getting all these questions of uh,

710
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: you know, why did I, you know, smoke marijuana before

711
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: I before I even went into prison, and knowing that

712
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: I was suspended from the League, So I put myself

713
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: in a vulnerable situation. So my process really started. It

714
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: started with Roger Um being Roger Met and you know,

715
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: I told you he was like, look, we're not here

716
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: to talk about the past. You here to talk about

717
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: the future. And then we had we had conversations and

718
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: he was like, well, you know, I'm gonna send you

719
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: over to another group to meet where. And it was

720
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: like a group of like ten people in the room

721
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: with myself and they they grilled me. They asked me

722
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: questions from A to Z about my friends, about family,

723
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, about money, about the dog fighting, the truthfulness

724
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of things that had to come out,

725
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: you know that that you know, it was the one

726
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: sided with the media. Um. But and I hadn't had

727
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: a chance to sit down and talk with everybody. So

728
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: I my evaluation process was what type of help did

729
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: you really need? And it was you know, I think

730
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: that figured out, like, Yo, you're really not you know,

731
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: a psychopathic person. You really are not crazy. You know, Um,

732
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: you know what happened to you. You know, you could

733
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: have made better judgment, it could have made better decisions

734
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: that we think you acknowledge that it and we see

735
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: your your empathy behind what you're saying you're gonna do,

736
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: and you know, we feel like you really care, you know.

737
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: So that was a that was funny like a two

738
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: month process. Um. And and also it was a plan

739
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: and not have me, you know, start as a you know,

740
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: be a starter when I came back to the league.

741
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't see it that way, but I think just

742
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: behind it was, you know, we don't know what type

743
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: of reception you're really gonna get, you know, so it

744
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: was a lot of like we're ready to risk it

745
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: off for you. Um. We we love your respect you

746
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: as as a man and as a football player, and

747
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: we don't give you a shot and see how I go.

748
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: And that's all I wanted. So you know, it was

749
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: designed for me not to be a start. I think

750
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: I landed in Philly. It was a blessing. I landed

751
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. And yeah, so so that was it. So

752
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: it all happened within like, uh maybe like a six

753
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: month time space because Tony Dungee came to visit me

754
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: in prison. He helped start the process, um and then

755
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: help you know to just see me talk to me. UM.

756
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: A couple of representatives from Atlanta Falcons came out to Blank,

757
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: came out, um spoke to Andy Reid on one occasion. UM.

758
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I was just kind of like going

759
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: through you know, just that normal you know what it

760
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: takes to get reinstated process and I've never been through

761
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: it before, but you know, just what I did before

762
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: made it harder and then uh I thank god Roger

763
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: made it easy. At the end, I was I became

764
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: a free agent. Uh you know at plus I think

765
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: of thirteen years and man, when I was going for

766
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: heading up the free agency bro it was like and um,

767
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: ten teams interested in me. Yeah. When I finally hit

768
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: free a se and the Panthers release me, man, it

769
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: went to like foll teams. Yeah yeah, and I was

770
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: really it was really different to be a free agent

771
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: for myself, it was a it was an outpum. I

772
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: was older, so you know, I didn't have as many teams.

773
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: I'm wondering what the you know, what was the free

774
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: agency process for you? And then how did you come

775
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: to the conclusion that Philly was the team? Well, Philly

776
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: was the only choice, like and it was like, they

777
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: didn't make me go to Philly, but they it was

778
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: like set up to you know, go learn from Donavan.

779
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: My agent thought it was Joe Seguer. At the time,

780
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great idea to go sit

781
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: behind Donovan. They already head Kevin Cordon can kind of

782
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: work yourself back into shape. But I'm like, yo, nah,

783
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: it's Buffalo needs a quarterback. I think they head that

784
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: was at the time. And then uh, I think Cousin

785
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: Palmer just part of ways with Cincinnati or they needed

786
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: to back up. He was there for like his last

787
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: season and they needed it. But I was just looking

788
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: at those situations like those are possible opportunities for me

789
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: to come back and start and get myself back in

790
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: shape and come back and show the league. But you know,

791
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm back and I'm ready. And you know what I

792
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: realized my first practice in Philadelphia. Before I talked about

793
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: how I got signed there, I won't ready. My legs

794
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: the shot. My body wasn't in shape. You know, they

795
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: took the weights when I was in when I was

796
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: in prison, so I couldn't work out. So you know,

797
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: when I went through that process, it was like Philadelphia

798
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: wants you, and then get it work for Andy Reid.

799
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: You know, you get the book behind Donovan. You don't

800
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: have to start. You can just take a year and

801
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: get yourself together. And then it started to make sense

802
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: to me when it was being explained to me, especially

803
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: by my agent, and you know, he's like, you just

804
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: don't want to go up and go out there and

805
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: then look like you know nothing. And then you know

806
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: you're getting booed by the fans and they protesting, and

807
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, you turn the city upside down just like that,

808
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, kind of work yourself back into it. And

809
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: I thought that was the right way to go about

810
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: it as I thought about it. And you know, like

811
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: I said, I wanted to be sure about my decision

812
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: making in that process, and you know, didn't want to

813
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: disrespect Andy Read at all. I thought he was a

814
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: great coach from a far any way, working with Donovan,

815
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: and I felt like it was a year that I

816
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: can just go learn play there for a year or

817
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: be there, learn as much as I can do my job,

818
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: and then hopefully go somewhere the next year. In free agency,

819
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: you lost so much control, yeah, you know, in your carceration,

820
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden you have a little

821
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: bit of opportunity and now you you you back trying

822
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: to control everything, trying to remove God from his plan.

823
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: And and and as this song goes, uh, instead of

824
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: taking a wheel, you instead of letting the Lord take

825
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: the wheel. You want to take the wheel back. I

826
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: wanted the will I wanted I wanted the ball in

827
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: my hands, you know. And think about it, it it had

828
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: they had nothing to do with football, Like my I

829
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: wasn't playing bad football, you know before I left. Oh,

830
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: I know, I remember, you wasn't playing bad ball at all.

831
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm playing bad ball at all. So I'm like, I

832
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: gotta get back and back. What was it? It was

833
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: no football to prove, now that I think about it,

834
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: it was no football to prove. And it's it's the

835
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: shame that it. It took this conversation, you know, eleven

836
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: twelve years later to realize the football wasn't the issue.

837
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: You know, It was the issue of you know, what

838
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: I was returning from and how people felt about it realistically,

839
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: you know, and and and that's that's what it was,

840
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: you know. That was that was the fight. And now

841
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: I see how you know, um, you know, it was

842
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: navigated to to to make it a storybook in it,

843
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: so job well done to Andy and Roger and Asian Joel,

844
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, and and all those guys you know who

845
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: played a major part in it. You know, Um, Tony Dungee,

846
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: you know, it was all static. And you know, when

847
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: my guys get together even get some good good result

848
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: is usually so thank God for that. Hey, Mike, you

849
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: you were going to get into the free agency story

850
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: with with get going to the Eagles, but talk a

851
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: little bit, or would you tell us the relationship you

852
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: have with Donovan McNabb. I know you talked about how

853
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: he had an influence with you and and you know

854
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: all that stuff, but you were getting recruited by Syracuse.

855
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: He was already there. Yeah, yeah, Donovan was my idol. Man.

856
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: Donovan made me believe that I could I could play

857
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: college football, um and play my style of football. Like

858
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: when I was saying my senior year, I think he

859
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: was in his junior year. And you know I watched

860
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: him my freshman sophomore year, like its freshman sophomore year, Syracuston.

861
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, man, this dude is a baller. Like

862
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: he looked like me when I'm in the backyard with

863
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,959
Speaker 1: my boys, Like he looked like me, or I looked

864
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: like him. And I'm like, man, you know what I'm

865
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: watching close to see if he go to the NFL

866
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: and see if the league draft him because they don't

867
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: take quarterbacks like that, and I think he I know

868
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: he can be good if he if you know, if

869
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: the team believed, or if he got a shot. You know,

870
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at him from a talent perspective. So

871
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: he was like my idol. And then my senior year,

872
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: I took a visit to Syracuse and spend some time

873
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: with him down there, and he came persuade me to

874
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: come to Syracuse because I just didn't want to follow

875
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: somebody else's legacy. I wanted to create my own. But

876
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: I still you know, when I went to Tech, I

877
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: admired him from Afar. I've seen it. He got drafted.

878
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: He gave me hope, and I'm like, man, this dude

879
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: the man. You know. So the first three or four

880
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: years he in the NFC championship games multiple times, and

881
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that's that's style worked. So he just

882
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: I just continued to stay a fan of his. And

883
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: you know, once I played two years of college law

884
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: and got to the league, Donald was one of the

885
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: first people I called to help me make a decision

886
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 1: on if I was ready to come to the NFL,

887
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: and he told me to look mad if he feel

888
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: like it's nothing else to prove then then then you

889
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: got to make that jump. So he just influenced and that,

890
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: and then you know, I always was a fan of his,

891
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: and even when we had to play against each other

892
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: and go ahead the head, it was like fun, you know,

893
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: and that you know the times, you know, he's the

894
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: reason I didn't go to the super Bowl, you know,

895
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: a couple of years, you know, so you know, he

896
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't let he wouldn't let little bro get one off.

897
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: He wouldn't let me get the win. But it was cool.

898
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: And when I went to Philly, it was like, man,

899
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm anna stepping in the locker room with you know,

900
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: not only a friend, but really somebody that I idolized

901
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: growing up. So I get to watch him work and

902
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: see why he went to NFC championship games and played

903
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 1: in the super Bowl, and maybe the next time around

904
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: for me, I can take a little bit of that

905
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: with me. So I relationship, uh was was real, real,

906
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: real unique, and uh you know, Don was a great dude. Man.

907
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: He had kept me laughing every day and I just

908
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: some days I just don't believe I was in the

909
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: locker room with him. It was that real. I think

910
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: it's about that time. Just take a little breather, get down,

911
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: Hey your art? Why did you get that T shirt?

912
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: You mean this thing? Oh? Yes, I got it from

913
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,719
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914
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,759
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915
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, you can go on, buy you a T shirt,

916
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: subscribe to us wherever you listen to podcasts. Now, after

917
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: everything's going on, you get picked up by Philly. Did

918
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: you have to have precautionary things put in place? Uh?

919
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: If so, were you know where you Was it voluntary

920
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: on your part or was it wasn't required? I was

921
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: on probation. Yeah, I had a curfew. I had a curfew.

922
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: I was a grown man with a kirkfew. You know,

923
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: I had to be in the house. But like ten

924
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: bullcraft happened one day one day and then you know,

925
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: well not me but people around me. And then that

926
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: kirkfew winded when like strive o'clock and I couldn't leave

927
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: Philadelphia one time. Stories untold, but you know, um, you know,

928
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: just just still was kind of like you know, straddling

929
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: defense a little bit. Now. I was doing what I

930
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: needed to do, but still like some of the wrong

931
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 1: people was just showing up at inconvenient times and little

932
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: things just happening. That was just I had nothing to

933
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: do with it. Nothing note out of my control. It's

934
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: just like it was like, well, what are you doing

935
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: around this person? Now I wasn't around him. He came

936
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: around me, you know. So a couple of those little

937
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: issues which led to, you know, a lot of restrictions

938
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: when and I was on probas Soon you know, I

939
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: saw obviously sending a probation officer and the council like

940
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: two to three times in a week like it was.

941
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: It was it was mind bogging, like they you know,

942
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: I had a councilor that came every weekend. I couldn't

943
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: dodge him because that was mandated by the NFL, you know. Um,

944
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: but he helped me out. That man was there for me,

945
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: like that season I started twenty ten like he was.

946
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: He became my best friend, still one of my great

947
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: friends to this day. Man. And um, you know, I

948
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: got so much respect for him. Man, I got some

949
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: respectful and we still talk about the world and what's

950
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: going on in social justice. Now. You know, he's he's

951
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: he's a white man, you know, he's and he's like

952
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: sixty sixty eight years old, but his perspective on life

953
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: is amazing, and you know, I almost kind of look

954
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: at him as as a father's figure. So that was

955
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: one great thing that came out of that hole situation.

956
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: It was a lot more. But you know, I met

957
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: a guy who, um, I could say to this day

958
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: care about Mike vick Mann. You know, I don't care

959
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: about football week. Our conversations extended so far outside of

960
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: football that you know, it became real personal and uh,

961
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, so yeah, you know, not a restrictions band.

962
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: But I've worked my way through it. I navigated Well,

963
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: you just heard part one of Michael vick Steve. When

964
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: the VIC story broke and all this came out and

965
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: became public, what was the reaction from you and players

966
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: around the league? No, you didn't believe it, No, no way,

967
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: like nah, he couldn't been doing this. And as as

968
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: things kind of kept unraveling, you start to see that

969
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: that was there was a true rabbit hole that they

970
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: were in all the different stories, and it was it

971
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: was unraveling at a rate that was so rapid it

972
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: was hard to really process is it, is it true

973
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: or not? And but here's one thing we all know.

974
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't care where you grew up. I don't care

975
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: what you're in or not into. When the FBI come

976
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: knocking on the door, and I'd ask, they ain't doing

977
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: a wellness checking right they already having. It's really is

978
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: how big of all, how deeper of a hole are

979
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: you gonna dig yourself in? It shocked all of us,

980
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: and it shocked is. Even more is the time that

981
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: he received and what he had to do and what

982
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: he went through. It was really a real and he

983
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: lived here in Charlotte. We were getting a lot of

984
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: information because it ain't none but three hours away. So

985
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: as they say, the streets were talking. There was a

986
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: lot of stories out there that good battering different. I

987
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: don't really don't. I didn't really listen to them because hell,

988
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: the same stories you could say about a ton of

989
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: different people. Right, Being a football player it's no different,

990
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: or being an athlete, celebrities, entertainers, no different than anybody

991
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: else's life. The only the only difference is you get

992
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: to see our lives on fold in front of a camera.

993
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: The question is if we followed you around with a

994
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: camera twenty five hours a day, what will we find?

995
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: And people forget that you know so so before you

996
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: get your before you get your threes smooth stones, you know,

997
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: get them skeletons at your So that was really cool.

998
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy it, but also no, there's two parts,

999
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: Part two coming up. Yes, and there's even it's even

1000
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: more so I love it. Cut to It with Steve

1001
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: Smith Senior. That Is Me is a production of Cut

1002
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Speaker 1: to It LLC, Balto Creative Media, The Black Effect, and iHeartRadio.

1003
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:26,279
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1004
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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows from Cut

1005
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Speaker 1: to It. Executive producer Steve Smith, singor co host Gerard

1006
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Speaker 1: little John, talent and booking manager Joe Fusci, social media

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Speaker 1: manager Peyton Smith. From Balto Creative Media. Cut to It

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1009
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Speaker 1: assistance by Alex Lebrek, Production manager Sarah Pollock, Theme music

1010
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: by Alex Johnson, lyrics and vocals by Anthony Hamilton. You

1011
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: had them out and then we're about to let you know.

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