WEBVTT - But You Came In Without Pants

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Strong and get Katy and he arm Strong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 4>If you look at the cost to produce a vehicle

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<v Speaker 4>with a twenty five percent tariff, economist estimate that this

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<v Speaker 4>will cost about thirty five hundred dollars to twelve thousand

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<v Speaker 4>dollars more per vehicle. And then when we talk about

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<v Speaker 4>the consumer, a lot of economists are suggesting that it

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<v Speaker 4>could cost upwards of five thousand to fifteen thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 4>more per vehicle. But let's take the White House's numbers

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<v Speaker 4>on this. According to their fact sheet, a forty thousand

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<v Speaker 4>dollars vehicle made in America would cost five thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 4>more if that company uses foreign parts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that kicks in in a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>In theory I've been there have been another number of

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<v Speaker 1>tariff deadlines that didn't end up occurring when somebody backs

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<v Speaker 1>down or perceived as backing down. But if this car

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<v Speaker 1>one kicks in.

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<v Speaker 5>It's well, it'll be something to watch.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I just I don't think it's realistic. We don't

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<v Speaker 6>have time to really get into it now. But and

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<v Speaker 6>Trump is trying to browbeat the US automakers into not

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<v Speaker 6>raising prices. I just I don't know that it's realistic

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<v Speaker 6>to onshore that much manufacturing for a giant, complicated industry

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<v Speaker 6>in the time Trump's going to have because you make

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<v Speaker 6>these plans for the next decade, these giant one hundred

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<v Speaker 6>million dollar plants or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So these two things fit together a little bit. A

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<v Speaker 1>story I came across about your phone and being a

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<v Speaker 1>distraction and how much it rules all of our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that reminds me.

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<v Speaker 6>The one of your anniversary of the fabulous Peter Bagosian

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<v Speaker 6>book The Anxious Generation is today, and he's out with

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<v Speaker 6>a screen which includes some principles to just adopt in society.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like drunk driving at one point was pretty accepted

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<v Speaker 6>now it's not at all. And he has some social

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<v Speaker 6>principles we all need to adopt, easy to understand that

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<v Speaker 6>will save the kids. Anyway, that's later on the hour.

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<v Speaker 6>I hope you can stay too.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear that because that definitely fits in

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<v Speaker 1>with this and the reason I'm looking at this and

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<v Speaker 1>tying it in with my whole newfound sleep problems, having

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<v Speaker 1>the hardest time sleeping I've ever had in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of started a couple of weeks ago and

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<v Speaker 1>trying different things. I did some research on melatonin last night.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, when I started in on this, I

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<v Speaker 1>came across all these statistics. So about halfy out there

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<v Speaker 1>have trouble sleeping, according to most studies, and so it's

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<v Speaker 1>lots of people, so apparently many of you can relate

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<v Speaker 1>to this. But man, there's a lot not known about melatonin.

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<v Speaker 1>There's all kinds of conflicting studies on that. Whether it

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<v Speaker 1>actually does anything is still a bit of an open question.

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<v Speaker 1>There must be enough belief that it does, because doctors

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<v Speaker 1>have recommended it to me various times, but doctors recommend

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<v Speaker 1>things that turn out to be nothing over the years. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, melotone, whether it actually does anything, whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not it's addictive or you know, trains your brain to

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<v Speaker 1>not produce as much melatonin and gets you into a,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, an unproductive cycle, that's unknown. Some people believe

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. To me, it seems like it almost

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<v Speaker 1>certainly would be the case if your brain produces melatonin

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<v Speaker 1>but you're taking the melotone in your body says, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we got enough melatonin, let's not produce it, although there

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<v Speaker 1>are studies that say no, your brain's going to produce

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<v Speaker 1>the same amount of no matter what. So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know melatonin helps you get to sleep in thorty theory.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that I have taken melatonin quite a number

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<v Speaker 1>of times over the last several months. It makes me

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<v Speaker 1>so so tired. I fall asleep, but then like an

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<v Speaker 1>hour and a half later I wake up. So last

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<v Speaker 1>night I was up at twelve thirty looking at my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>How long does meltone last? With various studies saying it's

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<v Speaker 1>an hour, some study saying six hours. Don't take it,

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<v Speaker 1>it will be groggy all day. Some stady's saying twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hours. So depends on who you ask. I guess, yeah, the.

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<v Speaker 6>Conventional wisdom I've always heard is take it then go

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<v Speaker 6>to bed. There is don't fart around for two hours.

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<v Speaker 1>H There doesn't seem to be any conventional wisdom around melatone,

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<v Speaker 1>and based in all the studies I was reading last night.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, uh, I just I took another one, So

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<v Speaker 1>like I took one, fell asleep hard, woke up twelve

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<v Speaker 1>thirty wide away, didn't want to live that again, went

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<v Speaker 1>and took another one, crashed hard, and slept clear to

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<v Speaker 1>my alarm, like deep slumber, and it was freaking awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>But you came in today with no pants on, so I.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't even notice how till now I am pants genitals

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<v Speaker 1>are flapping right.

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<v Speaker 6>And I didn't want to say anything, but yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 6>been uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael hasn't it? He sure has? But I slept well.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it's not a diffen bad for your brain,

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<v Speaker 1>because that result last night makes me think tonight I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Double it up again. Oh Elvis, I know Michael Jackson right,

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<v Speaker 2>for Michael, some.

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<v Speaker 7>Of the milk, some of the melatonin milk, doctor Conrad,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm sure it's good for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Any who.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm talking about the whole sleeping thing, and when

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<v Speaker 1>I bring it up with people, people keep saying the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing, and I keep ignoring it because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do it. Are you putting away your phone

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<v Speaker 1>at least an hour and a half before you go

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<v Speaker 1>to bed?

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm looking it up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at it up until the second I go

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep every night and there's there's all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>conflicting research on this.

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<v Speaker 5>On how I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>There are studies to say the blue light is absolute

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<v Speaker 1>worst thing for you. There are studies that say blue

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<v Speaker 1>light's a myth, it doesn't do anything. It's the it's

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<v Speaker 1>the being engaged with information that makes you awake, not

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<v Speaker 1>the light.

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<v Speaker 2>From your phone. I don't have any idea. I do

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<v Speaker 2>know this.

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<v Speaker 1>Me and everybody else used to watch television up to

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<v Speaker 1>the moment they went to sleep, and it didn't keep

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<v Speaker 1>us awake. I don't remember anybody thinking the TV was

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<v Speaker 1>stimulating them to the point that was wake, whether I

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<v Speaker 1>was watching the.

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<v Speaker 2>News or a movie or sports or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if I do this intentionally, but as

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<v Speaker 6>you were talking, I was thinking about my pattern, and

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<v Speaker 6>it is definitely as the evening progresses, because you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I work some in the evening quote unquote, it progresses

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<v Speaker 6>from the like intellectual and serious to the purely pleasurable.

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<v Speaker 6>And the last hour of my day is always music

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<v Speaker 6>or comedy or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I just and then I read, and I read all

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<v Speaker 1>my books on my phone too, So.

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<v Speaker 5>I just I can't imagine pulling the plug on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be really really hard for me to put

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<v Speaker 1>my phone in a drawer or something an hour and

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<v Speaker 1>a half before betting then go to bed. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like an addic or something just like it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of scares me to even think about it. But

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<v Speaker 1>what are you reading like before pad? Is it serious stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Weighty stuff for a long Well, that's all kinds of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Could be anything, depends on the mood, but that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. Almost always stuff that porn, Michael. Almost always

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<v Speaker 1>stuff I want to use on the show. But it

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<v Speaker 1>might be lighthearted stuff like this. I was reading a

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<v Speaker 1>study about sleeping. I enjoy that so but I can

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<v Speaker 1>use it on the air and then I screen captured

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<v Speaker 1>it and highlight it and everything like that for I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to sleep well anyway that brings me to this,

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<v Speaker 1>Your phone may not be the problem when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to distraction. In this article, I was just reading where

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<v Speaker 1>they're making the argument, and I just don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I buy this or not that it's the it's the information,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the engagement. It's not the it's not the phone itself,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not the light. It's just that if you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>anything to super get engaged that's addictive behavior and going

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<v Speaker 1>to keep you awake, whether it's on.

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<v Speaker 2>Your computer or your phone or any other I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just don't buy that because I never had these before,

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<v Speaker 1>and neither did anybody else. As far as I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know anybody who said, man, I just I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I start reading readers Digest at eleven o'clock,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it keeps me up. I need to

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<v Speaker 1>put the Reader's Digest down, our Sports Illustrated or watching

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<v Speaker 1>TV or anything other than this smartphone stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I guess I just like I said, I deliberately

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<v Speaker 6>go from the serious stuff about how to battle Marxism

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<v Speaker 6>to some rock stars autobiography for.

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<v Speaker 2>That last half hour hour of the day.

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<v Speaker 6>And it's it's good for me because I noticed you

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<v Speaker 6>think that hows you get to sleep one hundred percent. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know your results may vary. But like I

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<v Speaker 6>used to, so, I don't know where it is where

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<v Speaker 6>you live.

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<v Speaker 1>It's dark at night where I live, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>a black dog and who sleeps in the bedroom, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I would use my phone as a night light

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<v Speaker 1>to get me to the bathroom during my inevitable middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the night stop. As an older fellow, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't step on poor Baxter.

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<v Speaker 2>And then here here about Flomax, and then uh, I'm fine.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh but so and I would glance at it and

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<v Speaker 6>see a headline or two and think, oh, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 6>The talks in Ukraine are breaking down and blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 6>and I would have a terrible time getting back to sleep.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh that's looking at a weather forecast.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally totally abandon it. Now, I just look very carefully

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<v Speaker 1>for my dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what that study is basically saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the information, not the device or light or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, amen.

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<v Speaker 5>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I do know this.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I understand the scientific method enough for this.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to at least try it to eliminate that

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<v Speaker 1>as a possible reason why I can't sleep at night.

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<v Speaker 5>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to buy a paper book for one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't own any I'm got to get a paper book.

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<v Speaker 2>They got stores full of them, that's what.

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<v Speaker 1>They used to I might have to order it on

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon and then I get one. Got to come up

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<v Speaker 1>with some sort of light to be able to see

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<v Speaker 1>the book. I don't know, but I so many logistical

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<v Speaker 1>challenges a light. Where do you get those? I like

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<v Speaker 1>laying there in the pitch dark reading on my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>I just love that. I'm currently reading the memoir from

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<v Speaker 1>Salmon Rushdie about when he published this Satanic verses and

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<v Speaker 1>the fat wah and all that sort of stuff ended

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<v Speaker 1>up getting his.

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<v Speaker 2>Eye carved out. And you can't sleep. I wonder why?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, folks, I just I give up what

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<v Speaker 2>you don't think you can read?

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<v Speaker 1>Seriously, you don't think you can read serious nonfiction before.

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<v Speaker 2>You go to bed. I don't.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it'll keep you awake. Wow, that's interesting. I've

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<v Speaker 6>been doing that my whole life, ramping down, ramping down.

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<v Speaker 2>So what should I read?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 6>I say, I I would read or reread, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>Keith Richards talking about making the Exile on Main Street

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<v Speaker 6>album or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Just purely pleasurable, pleasurable reading.

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<v Speaker 1>I only read things that are like a homework assignment,

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<v Speaker 1>which people often mock me for. I only read things

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<v Speaker 1>that are like punishingly difficult, that make.

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<v Speaker 2>You angry and worry.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes again, and I can't think of any connection speaking

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<v Speaker 6>of Witch, an update on the situation in Ukraine. It

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<v Speaker 6>is not great for anybody. Also, I really want to

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<v Speaker 6>squeeze this in. Help me do that. Jack there is

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<v Speaker 6>a public official in the great state of cal you

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<v Speaker 6>Cornia who really deserves.

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<v Speaker 2>A calling out. Just awful, awful person cool. I would

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<v Speaker 2>like to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>If you think you know anything about the melatonin thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I do worry about abusing that and altering my brain

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<v Speaker 1>and putting myself into a bad spiral there going full

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<v Speaker 1>Elvis slash Michael Jackson, and I'll want to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But man, it sure worked last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I had doctor Murray pump me full of some

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<v Speaker 1>uppers this morning, and here I am.

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<v Speaker 7>Will it works for a while, I promised you that

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<v Speaker 7>works for a while. I slept like the dead. Well

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<v Speaker 7>then will I think you know the rest?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Or you go Elvis and it's just I'm gonna I'll

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<v Speaker 1>bet have a little trouble in here. We got more

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<v Speaker 1>on the way shot. Wow, I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 1>can commit to this. So I just got a text

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<v Speaker 1>on my personal phone from one of our best clients

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<v Speaker 1>that we endorse. Not I would mention his name, but

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't ask him if he was okay with people

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<v Speaker 1>knowing this. But anyway, this is what he says, and

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<v Speaker 1>I told Joe who it is. He said, He texted,

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<v Speaker 1>this is about getting to sleep. I started cold plunging

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<v Speaker 1>every morning. It's the best six thousand dollars I've ever spent.

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<v Speaker 1>And he gives me the link to plunge dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>which it gives you a tub for your ice bath that.

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<v Speaker 2>You jump into.

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<v Speaker 7>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, my sleep scores have gone up twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five percent since starting.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know how you measure sleep scores.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess your smart lots.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, it's absolutely horrible, all caps, but it's the

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<v Speaker 1>best thing I've done. Sleep, stress, pain, joint pain recovery,

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<v Speaker 1>all vastly improved.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Man, even I'm not sure I could do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you told me one hundred percent guaranteed you'll

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<v Speaker 1>sleep like a baby every.

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<v Speaker 2>Night the rest of your life.

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't think I could jump into an ice

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<v Speaker 1>bath before bed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's when he gets up in the morning, he said, right,

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<v Speaker 2>is it right?

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<v Speaker 5>This thing? It doesn't say either way, oh every morning?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, either way, No, it doesn't matter when I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care what time of day it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I could not get into a tub of ice.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you could tell me, you know, once a year,

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<v Speaker 6>a fairy princess will descend in a gossamer gown and

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<v Speaker 6>hand me a million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>I still wouldn't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he said it's horrible in all caps. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that he does on a daily basis, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's absolutely horrible. But it's the best thing I've done,

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<v Speaker 1>best of money he's ever spent. You know, God, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a full night of RESTful sleep. God, what is that worth?

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<v Speaker 1>But is your brain trying to die before you make it?

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<v Speaker 2>Do that again?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that why you're sleeping through the night, It's just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to turn I don't know. That's a good question there,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not some sort of evolution thing. We weren't

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<v Speaker 1>designed to be plunged into ice every morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the the old the guy that used to run Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>remember he would do ice plunge than hot tub or

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I knew a guy who saw by that, very

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<v Speaker 2>smart successful guy. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 6>Or back and forth heat cold, heat cold, I don't know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>so of more political nature. Kim Strassel of the Journal

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<v Speaker 6>Who's just terrific, pointing out of the infamous signal leak situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, if you don't know what happened, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what to do for you.

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<v Speaker 6>They were chatting about bombing the Huthi's a bunch of

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<v Speaker 6>administration officials and it got out because inexplicably, a lefty

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<v Speaker 6>piece of crap journalist's pardon me, Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic,

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<v Speaker 6>who is utterly dishonest and a coward, was included in

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<v Speaker 6>the string. I find myself wondering whether that was deliberate.

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<v Speaker 6>Was that just a sloppy staffer who meant to include

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<v Speaker 6>Jonah Goldberg in some string and put down Jeffrey Goldberg's

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<v Speaker 6>email address. But Jonah Goldberg wasn't part of the signal group.

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<v Speaker 6>How does that accidentally happen?

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<v Speaker 1>There's some belief that, either with that or in the

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<v Speaker 1>afterwards part, this is an effort by a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the MAGA crowd in the administration who doesn't like walls

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<v Speaker 1>because he's too much of a neo Khanish sort of

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<v Speaker 1>person like interventions, wants to fight these wars, and they

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<v Speaker 1>want him out because they.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely traditional conservative. But yeah, that's an interesting theory. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>it's worth exploring anyway. Kim Straussel has a great piece

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<v Speaker 6>where she points out, Yeah, that was dumb and it

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<v Speaker 6>was sloppy and they need to do better. But then

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<v Speaker 6>she talks about the fever pitch of coverage of it

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<v Speaker 6>and how it wasn't It was literally a leak because

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<v Speaker 6>it was unintentionally and this case is rare and that

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<v Speaker 6>we know who did it and how it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Compare that with a torrent of.

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<v Speaker 6>Leaks that began in the run up to mister Trump's

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<v Speaker 6>first election, nearly all of them via unnamed officials who

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<v Speaker 6>planted selected information incredulous media outlets with the purpose of

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<v Speaker 6>manipulating politics. This was in the accidental inclusion of somebody's

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<v Speaker 6>email address. It was completely intentional.

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<v Speaker 1>There were leaks about a scandalous fact free dossier and

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI investigation into Trump Russia collusion to sway the election.

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<v Speaker 1>Leaks about Michael Flynn's call with a Russian ambassador to

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<v Speaker 1>further the collusion narrative. Dozens more leaks out of Special

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<v Speaker 1>Council Robert Muller's investigation, most of which were as wild

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<v Speaker 1>as they were false.

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<v Speaker 2>Adam Schiff leaks.

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<v Speaker 6>About mister Trump's confidential phone calls with foreign leaders to

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<v Speaker 6>cast them as chaotic adult dangerous, which hurt the United

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<v Speaker 6>States national security because our allies were afraid to talk

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<v Speaker 6>to Trump because Staffer would leak it all. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>your selective outrage is pretty selective.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an excellent point, Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, non citizens are generally guaranteed the same free speech

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<v Speaker 8>rights as American citizens. The Trump administration says their presence

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<v Speaker 8>in the US is a quote privilege.

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary of State.

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<v Speaker 8>Mark Rubio says more than three hundred student visas have

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<v Speaker 8>now been revoked by the Trump administration for jeopardizing security

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<v Speaker 8>or being a risk to US foreign policies.

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<v Speaker 2>I assume this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to the Supreme Court. What is it persons or

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<v Speaker 1>humans or whatever the language is for, you know, due

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<v Speaker 1>process and free speech and everything like, if you're here,

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<v Speaker 1>you get it.

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<v Speaker 2>With few exceptions.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the administration is making the argument, well, these few

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<v Speaker 1>exceptions apply here. Here's Marco Rubio's Secretary of State who's

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<v Speaker 1>been making these decisions.

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<v Speaker 9>If you apply for a visa to enter the United

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<v Speaker 9>States and be a student, and you tell us that

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<v Speaker 9>the reason why you're coming to the United States, it's

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<v Speaker 9>not just because you want to write op eds, but

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<v Speaker 9>because you want to participate in movements that are involved

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<v Speaker 9>in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings,

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<v Speaker 9>creating a ruckus.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to give you a visa. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>want it. We don't want it in our country.

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<v Speaker 9>Go back and do it in your country, but you're

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<v Speaker 9>not going to do it in our country.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you have the right to free speech. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a right to a visa. If you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. So yeah, okay, so I see the distinction there.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a disruptive pain in the ass. We don't want

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<v Speaker 1>you here. We've got like one hundred million of those already.

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<v Speaker 2>Goodbye.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I understand it.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean it's not like a bright line. Well it

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<v Speaker 6>is in a way, but and I will always stand

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<v Speaker 6>up for free speech. But to import somebody, I always

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<v Speaker 6>use the example of I wanted to go live and

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<v Speaker 6>work in Germany after college. Said that wasn't a good idea,

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<v Speaker 6>partly because German so freaking hard to learn. But you know,

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<v Speaker 6>they had ironically now as you look at it, but

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<v Speaker 6>just really really strict laws about who could immigrate, who

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<v Speaker 6>could work, what you had to do, and that sort

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<v Speaker 6>of thing, and I picture myself going there on some

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<v Speaker 6>sort of visa, then chanting and waving a placard down

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<v Speaker 6>with Germany. I hate Germany, and occupying a building or

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<v Speaker 6>something like that. And then when the German authorities come

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<v Speaker 6>to me and said, Joe, you got to go home.

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<v Speaker 6>You're annoying me, saying, wa, how can you do that? No,

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<v Speaker 6>I applied for a visander your rules, and now I

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<v Speaker 6>violated them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting that you don't hear.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't hear lefties talking about how strict Germany's policies

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<v Speaker 1>were or Canada's. I know somebody who wanted to go

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<v Speaker 1>to Canada again. So I know somebody wanted to go

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<v Speaker 1>to Canada years ago. And you had to prove that

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't going to be a financial burden of the country,

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<v Speaker 1>that you're gonna be able to support yourself. Either had

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<v Speaker 1>to have enough money already or a career or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And people weren't going nuts about how awful

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<v Speaker 1>it is that those other countries did that. If we

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<v Speaker 1>have any standard whatsoever, it's too much for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, in spite of the fact that that's utterly, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>unprecedented at least it was for you know, most of

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<v Speaker 6>human history, which reminds me I was thinking the other day.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll bet and I don't know what the name is

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<v Speaker 6>going to be, but there will be a generally recognized

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<v Speaker 6>name for the phenomenon of the two thousands, mostly that

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<v Speaker 6>reached its height under like Angela Merkel and Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 6>and various authorities in European countries in which their borders

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<v Speaker 6>were thrown.

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<v Speaker 2>Open to.

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<v Speaker 6>Just unmitigated, unfiltered immigration from the Third World, particularly the Muslim.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did they do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Your theory always in the United States is we got

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<v Speaker 1>to have workers to prop up social security blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 1>or the Democratic Party out they were gonna get voters.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it the same thing for Germany and Great Britain?

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<v Speaker 6>You know, there are probably differences around the edges, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>they have low birth rates too, really in fact, lower

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<v Speaker 6>dinars in a couple of European countries. So I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>they need to import young workers, is most of it.

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<v Speaker 6>And the globalists, and I don't throw that around as

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<v Speaker 6>an insult because there are benefits to globalism as well

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<v Speaker 6>as costs. But big industry was super in favor of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so.

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<v Speaker 6>And remember, for the longest time, those people and others,

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<v Speaker 6>just soft headed idiots, would say that any expression of

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<v Speaker 6>I like our country, we have a culture, we've lived

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<v Speaker 6>here all our lives, we're proud of it. That was

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<v Speaker 6>decried as racism and xenophobia and nationalism.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, for a long time people were shamed into silence

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<v Speaker 1>in much of the Western world.

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<v Speaker 2>And that needs a name.

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<v Speaker 6>That period of insane suicidal self sacrifice on the altar

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<v Speaker 6>of a couple of different things. Anyway, these are the

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<v Speaker 6>things I think about. Back to Marco Rubio and his

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<v Speaker 6>various measures. I thought this was so interesting. There's a

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<v Speaker 6>lawsuit in New.

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<v Speaker 1>York City from families of Israeli hostages against a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these Columbia University student groups and activists.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying they functioned not as like.

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<v Speaker 6>Informal kind of sort of partners of Hamas, but they

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<v Speaker 6>led hamas as quote US based in house public relations firm,

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<v Speaker 6>the Columbia University Apartheid divest organization that remember that grad

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<v Speaker 6>student or they're trying to boot out macmood Khalil.

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<v Speaker 2>He represented that organization.

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<v Speaker 6>That and the Students for Justice in Palestine and American

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<v Speaker 6>Muslims for Palestine led to Hamas's propaganda arm in New

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<v Speaker 6>York City and on the Columbia University campus, and should

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<v Speaker 6>be held accountable for aiding in a betting Hamas's continued

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<v Speaker 6>acts of international terrorism. So it'll be interesting to see

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<v Speaker 6>this lawsuit proceed whether the ties were formal or extensive

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<v Speaker 6>enough to substantiate that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>It's breaking news on CNN hearing ends and deportation case

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<v Speaker 1>of that kid you just mentioned, the Columbia kids. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we're gonna get ruling on that

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<v Speaker 1>today or what.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he's a grown ass man by the way, no child,

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<v Speaker 6>but he's twenties, mid twenties, I think. Anyway, this got

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<v Speaker 6>no coverage and it just shows you the depth of

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<v Speaker 6>media bias, as if we need to point that out

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<v Speaker 6>to you anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you really, really really see the bias is

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<v Speaker 1>when you've got a great story. It's interesting, it's exciting,

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<v Speaker 1>has like violence and people shouting, and they ignore it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So if it bleeds, it leads, if there's fire, it

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<v Speaker 1>goes higher.

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<v Speaker 6>Unless it kind of makes progressives look bad, then we

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<v Speaker 6>bury it. The day after the acting President of Columbia

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<v Speaker 6>announced the the new restrictions on mask wearing protests. Student

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<v Speaker 6>Workers of Columbia, the university's graduate student union, organized a

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<v Speaker 6>mask picket protest to protest Columbia's repressive new policies and

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<v Speaker 6>handed out masks to everybody. And in fact, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 6>Colombia's Palestine Solidarity Coalition called on students quote to wear

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<v Speaker 6>a mask on Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>This happened a couple of days ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, mask bands and the fascist trustees how are you

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<v Speaker 1>up with masks?

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>The group appeared to poke fun at the new policy,

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<v Speaker 6>which allows masks for quote, medical reasons. While the campus

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<v Speaker 6>protest remained relatively tame and highly lamb It calls into

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<v Speaker 6>question in the school's ability or intention.

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<v Speaker 2>Really to enforce its new rules.

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<v Speaker 6>See yeah this for medical reasons, says every gd hamas

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<v Speaker 6>loving protest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's going to be hard to nail down. Legally speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bet it's coming out of COVID. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>it were twenty nineteen, maybe, but I see people regularly

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<v Speaker 1>wearing COVID.

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<v Speaker 6>Masks, so this would have been so easy for the

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<v Speaker 6>entire history of the United States. Excuse me, these are

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<v Speaker 6>laws that were developed to stop the Ku Klux Klan

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<v Speaker 6>from organizing and marching and terrorizing people, they're still valid.

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<v Speaker 6>If you're so afraid of your health that you must

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<v Speaker 6>wear a mask everywhere, you got to skip the protest.

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<v Speaker 2>It's as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye bye, Write them a check, write them a letter,

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<v Speaker 1>write a letter to the editor, tell all your friends

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Engage in one hundred different sorts of protest,

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<v Speaker 1>civil disobedience, or persuasion. But you can't come to the

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<v Speaker 1>protest if you're wearing a mask. In Joe Getty's America, Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>this would not be difficult to enforce. I guess we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get a ruling later today from the judge, probably

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<v Speaker 1>on that student so and.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll talk about that on Monday.

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<v Speaker 6>No justice, no peace, no campus police, they said, banging

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<v Speaker 6>on plastic buckets. Oh, that reminds me old friend of

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<v Speaker 6>the Armstrong and Getty show. Maybe I won't to identify him,

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<v Speaker 6>but he was in Chicago and came out of the

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<v Speaker 6>courtroom where he was working on a case and saw

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<v Speaker 6>a weak, pathetic Chicago teachers Union protest against like trying

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<v Speaker 6>to actually educate kids, school choice and that sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 6>and he looked out, is you know it's maybe twenty people,

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<v Speaker 6>just a sad, sad thing on.

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<v Speaker 2>Their Facebook page.

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<v Speaker 6>Though Classic had the camera in tight and it looked

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<v Speaker 6>like a throng of.

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<v Speaker 1>Angry people fighting against the wrong doers.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just sad.

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<v Speaker 1>So before we take a break, I want to throw

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<v Speaker 1>a question out to you. Is anybody trying the cold

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<v Speaker 1>water plunge to sleep or whatever other benefits you get?

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<v Speaker 5>Because we mentioned uh, our friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve texted the show that he jumps into the does

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<v Speaker 1>the cold water Plunge every morning and now sleeps.

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<v Speaker 2>The best he's ever slept with life.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for that plunging into water sound, Michael, beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>Theater of the nine. I don't think I could do this,

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<v Speaker 1>but is anybody doing it? I would be interested? Four

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<v Speaker 1>one five here's our text line four one five two

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<v Speaker 1>nine five KFTC.

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<v Speaker 5>If you are trying it.

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<v Speaker 1>And coming up the cultural norms we must all adopt

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<v Speaker 1>to save the souls of our children, tune out and

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<v Speaker 1>lose the souls of your children.

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<v Speaker 2>It's up to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you don't care about your child, say wow, okay, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>then go about your business, get your bagel or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>else you were gonna do.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay here.

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<v Speaker 10>Today, President Trump called for Republicans and Congress to immediately

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<v Speaker 10>defund NPR and PBS.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when NPR heard, they went nuts.

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<v Speaker 5>They said, this is an outrage, where with a ton of.

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<v Speaker 2>Transplanted dangerous came.

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<v Speaker 10>If PBS stops airing those old doop concerts, a bunch

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<v Speaker 10>of eighty year olds are gonna storm the Capitol. That's

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<v Speaker 10>what I'm telling tell it's gonna have.

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<v Speaker 5>It's gonna have.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got a gazillion text about what you did

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep better, or this or that it apparently struck

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<v Speaker 1>a nerve. Maybe we'll get to some of those. An

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<v Speaker 1>hour four just came across this headline.

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<v Speaker 2>New device.

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<v Speaker 1>Allows visually impaired NBA fans to enjoy the action like

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<v Speaker 1>never before. So finally the blind can enjoy NBA action.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess with some device they invented. Maybe I'll get

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<v Speaker 1>that story later. I can't imagine that would.

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<v Speaker 6>Be if you don't get our four as some folks don't,

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<v Speaker 6>or you gotta go somewhere grab it via podcasts subscribed

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<v Speaker 6>Armstrong and Getty on demand. So Peace just came out

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<v Speaker 6>and substack written by Jonathan Height and Zach Rausch, who

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<v Speaker 6>are terrific people talking about but Peter Bogos book The

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<v Speaker 6>Anxious Generation, that was published a year ago today, and

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<v Speaker 6>their plan was to promote the book in the spring,

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<v Speaker 6>then get to work on John's next book, deeply depressing

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<v Speaker 6>investigation of technology's effect on democracy. That's John Heyde. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>sorry it wasn't because you know, it was height in

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<v Speaker 6>this case, and that's coming out at some point. But

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<v Speaker 6>instead they realized the book catalyzed a movement around the world,

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<v Speaker 6>the Anxious Generation, about kids and smartphones and social media.

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<v Speaker 6>And they say, most spectacularly, school states and entire countries

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<v Speaker 6>implemented phone free school policies in Australia raise the age

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<v Speaker 6>for opening social media accounts to sixteen, which is beyond

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<v Speaker 6>their wildest dreams of how much effect the book might have.

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<v Speaker 6>It's really terrific book. And even read the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 6>I started it and didn't so, you know, being easily distracted.

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<v Speaker 6>And then they describe the inevitable, well, the the unavoidable

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<v Speaker 6>description of what happens when kids are obsessed with smartphone

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<v Speaker 6>and social media, and how COVID made it even worse

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<v Speaker 6>because kids were, because of progressive policies, deprived of school

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<v Speaker 6>and every other normal social activity, even though they would

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<v Speaker 6>have been perfectly fine and were confined to their screens.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's left us in a terrible state. And by

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<v Speaker 6>early twenty twenty four parents were sick of it. I

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<v Speaker 6>don't think we need to describe that. The terrible effect, suicide, depression, anxiety,

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<v Speaker 6>to isolation, loneliness, just on and on and on, incost

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<v Speaker 6>So anyway, here's the main point. They say that we

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<v Speaker 6>can give you an update on the progress of the

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<v Speaker 6>movement draw lessons for the future by reviewing what's happened

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<v Speaker 6>for each of the four norms that they're promoting. These

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<v Speaker 6>are social norms like hey, don't drink and drive, or no,

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<v Speaker 6>it's not okay to hit your spouse when you're mad.

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<v Speaker 6>Social norms Number one, no smartphones before high school or

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<v Speaker 6>age fourteen period. If you give your kid less than

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<v Speaker 6>fourteen the smartphone, that's an odd thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's outside the norm.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we've done. Yeah, and look, this is not

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<v Speaker 1>to guilt anybody. Please don't treat your attacking parent.

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<v Speaker 6>I had to because my kid is the epileptic and

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<v Speaker 6>I am an astronaut and you know whatever else.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Hey, he's up, man, it's it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>He's visually impaired and can't enjoy the NBA right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So the best way to delay the arrival of the

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<v Speaker 1>phone based childhood wow is that a devastating term is

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<v Speaker 1>to delay giving your child a smartphone to communicate. My

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<v Speaker 1>son at he got his at fourteen. I guess he

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<v Speaker 1>was a last one in his friend group.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow wow.

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<v Speaker 6>If you need to communicate, give him a simple phone, watch,

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<v Speaker 6>flip phone or other basic phone with no internet access. Mom,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm the only one who doesn't have one. I'm being

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<v Speaker 6>left out was the plea heard by many parents, and

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<v Speaker 6>many many many parents gave in that is now changing.

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<v Speaker 6>What was needed was a clear noise, a bright line,

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<v Speaker 6>a minimum age target that parents could aim for together.

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<v Speaker 2>They suggested fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Always careful when you get into parenting advice, obviously, but

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<v Speaker 1>like I know of several parents who like they won't

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<v Speaker 1>let their kids do sleepovers because of all of the

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<v Speaker 1>bad things that could happen, but they have smartphones. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>more worried to my kid alone with a smartphone that

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<v Speaker 1>over at his friend's house of what might happen.

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<v Speaker 6>And they mentioned groups in the UK and the US

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<v Speaker 6>that are promoting this stuff. Norm Number two, no social

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<v Speaker 6>media before sixteen. Social media is wildly inappropriate for minors.

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<v Speaker 1>That's got to be more of a girl thing, like

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<v Speaker 1>my kids boys. I got two boys that they're just

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<v Speaker 1>not interested in social media. I wonder if that's way

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<v Speaker 1>more a girl thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, It absolutely is.

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<v Speaker 5>Yep.

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<v Speaker 6>They collect and sell children's data, capture their attention for

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<v Speaker 6>an average of five hours a day, and routinely expose

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<v Speaker 6>them to sex, violence, and content that promotes suicide. Although

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<v Speaker 6>an ideal minimum age would be eighteen, we chose sixteen

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<v Speaker 6>because it sets an age floor that could realistically.

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<v Speaker 2>Emerge as a global norm. And it's working.

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<v Speaker 6>And they give a bunch of different examples of states

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<v Speaker 6>and even countries that are saying no prior to sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's sick, it's bad for kids.

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<v Speaker 1>God, smartphones came into my life when I was forty two,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've warped my brain.

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<v Speaker 2>Norm Number three phone free schools.

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<v Speaker 6>Obviously in America, left and right off and disagree on

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<v Speaker 6>how kids should be educated slash indoctrinated, but there's universal

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<v Speaker 6>agreement that they should be educated. There's also agreement that

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<v Speaker 6>kids are texting, playing video games, and watching TikTok videos

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<v Speaker 6>and class are not being educated. Phones are distraction machines.

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<v Speaker 6>That's becoming a more and more common norm from Arkansas

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<v Speaker 6>to California.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>La phone free school, second biggest school district in America.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope this becomes the absolute norm, just for the

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<v Speaker 1>sake of the children. I think it's nuts that they're

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to have phones at school.

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<v Speaker 6>And number four or and this is a big one.

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<v Speaker 6>More independence, more free play, and more responsibility in the

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<v Speaker 6>real world for children, smartphones are the symptom of a

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<v Speaker 6>deeper problem, the crisis in childhood itself. Children need vast

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<v Speaker 6>quantities of free play, independence, and responsibility to guide brain

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<v Speaker 6>development and social development.

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<v Speaker 2>Being a kid is about the fun, risk.

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<v Speaker 6>Challenges, and thrills of exploring the richness of life with

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<v Speaker 6>friends at your side and no parents in sight. Most

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<v Speaker 6>people born before the mid eighties cherish memories of this

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<v Speaker 6>kind of childhood, making them receptive to this fourth norm.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there are a lot This is gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>the toughest one. I don't even know if this one's doable.

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<v Speaker 1>There are lots of kids that don't get an hour

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<v Speaker 1>of that a week, not an hour where there's no

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<v Speaker 1>parents hovering over, keeping an eye on it, or organized

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<v Speaker 1>of some sort.

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<v Speaker 6>They mentioned that the term anxious generation in the title

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<v Speaker 6>of the book applies not only to the kids but

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<v Speaker 6>their parents, who are stuck in a collective active problem

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<v Speaker 6>action problem. How do I send my ca kids outside

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<v Speaker 6>when no one else is doing it what they would

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<v Speaker 6>prefer to be on their device? There, someone might call

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<v Speaker 6>the police that my ten year old is playing ball

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<v Speaker 6>with his friends in the park without a parent. We've

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<v Speaker 6>got to stop that, America. We must stop it for

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<v Speaker 6>our kids.

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<v Speaker 8>Armstrong and Getty