Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center.
Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, I'm.
Speaker 3: Strong and get Katy and he arm Strong and Getty.
Speaker 4: If you look at the cost to produce a vehicle
Speaker 4: with a twenty five percent tariff, economist estimate that this
Speaker 4: will cost about thirty five hundred dollars to twelve thousand
Speaker 4: dollars more per vehicle. And then when we talk about
Speaker 4: the consumer, a lot of economists are suggesting that it
Speaker 4: could cost upwards of five thousand to fifteen thousand dollars
Speaker 4: more per vehicle. But let's take the White House's numbers
Speaker 4: on this. According to their fact sheet, a forty thousand
Speaker 4: dollars vehicle made in America would cost five thousand dollars
Speaker 4: more if that company uses foreign parts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that kicks in in a couple of days.
Speaker 1: In theory I've been there have been another number of
Speaker 1: tariff deadlines that didn't end up occurring when somebody backs
Speaker 1: down or perceived as backing down. But if this car
Speaker 1: one kicks in.
Speaker 5: It's well, it'll be something to watch.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I don't think it's realistic. We don't
Speaker 6: have time to really get into it now. But and
Speaker 6: Trump is trying to browbeat the US automakers into not
Speaker 6: raising prices. I just I don't know that it's realistic
Speaker 6: to onshore that much manufacturing for a giant, complicated industry
Speaker 6: in the time Trump's going to have because you make
Speaker 6: these plans for the next decade, these giant one hundred
Speaker 6: million dollar plants or whatever.
Speaker 1: So these two things fit together a little bit. A
Speaker 1: story I came across about your phone and being a
Speaker 1: distraction and how much it rules all of our lives.
Speaker 2: Oh, that reminds me.
Speaker 6: The one of your anniversary of the fabulous Peter Bagosian
Speaker 6: book The Anxious Generation is today, and he's out with
Speaker 6: a screen which includes some principles to just adopt in society.
Speaker 6: It's like drunk driving at one point was pretty accepted
Speaker 6: now it's not at all. And he has some social
Speaker 6: principles we all need to adopt, easy to understand that
Speaker 6: will save the kids. Anyway, that's later on the hour.
Speaker 6: I hope you can stay too.
Speaker 1: I want to hear that because that definitely fits in
Speaker 1: with this and the reason I'm looking at this and
Speaker 1: tying it in with my whole newfound sleep problems, having
Speaker 1: the hardest time sleeping I've ever had in my life,
Speaker 1: just kind of started a couple of weeks ago and
Speaker 1: trying different things. I did some research on melatonin last night.
Speaker 1: First of all, when I started in on this, I
Speaker 1: came across all these statistics. So about halfy out there
Speaker 1: have trouble sleeping, according to most studies, and so it's
Speaker 1: lots of people, so apparently many of you can relate
Speaker 1: to this. But man, there's a lot not known about melatonin.
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of conflicting studies on that. Whether it
Speaker 1: actually does anything is still a bit of an open question.
Speaker 1: There must be enough belief that it does, because doctors
Speaker 1: have recommended it to me various times, but doctors recommend
Speaker 1: things that turn out to be nothing over the years. Also,
Speaker 1: But uh, melotone, whether it actually does anything, whether or
Speaker 1: not it's addictive or you know, trains your brain to
Speaker 1: not produce as much melatonin and gets you into a,
Speaker 1: you know, an unproductive cycle, that's unknown. Some people believe
Speaker 1: that makes sense. To me, it seems like it almost
Speaker 1: certainly would be the case if your brain produces melatonin
Speaker 1: but you're taking the melotone in your body says, oh,
Speaker 1: we got enough melatonin, let's not produce it, although there
Speaker 1: are studies that say no, your brain's going to produce
Speaker 1: the same amount of no matter what. So I don't
Speaker 1: know melatonin helps you get to sleep in thorty theory.
Speaker 1: I know that I have taken melatonin quite a number
Speaker 1: of times over the last several months. It makes me
Speaker 1: so so tired. I fall asleep, but then like an
Speaker 1: hour and a half later I wake up. So last
Speaker 1: night I was up at twelve thirty looking at my phone.
Speaker 1: How long does meltone last? With various studies saying it's
Speaker 1: an hour, some study saying six hours. Don't take it,
Speaker 1: it will be groggy all day. Some stady's saying twenty
Speaker 1: four hours. So depends on who you ask. I guess, yeah, the.
Speaker 6: Conventional wisdom I've always heard is take it then go
Speaker 6: to bed. There is don't fart around for two hours.
Speaker 1: H There doesn't seem to be any conventional wisdom around melatone,
Speaker 1: and based in all the studies I was reading last night.
Speaker 1: But anyway, uh, I just I took another one, So
Speaker 1: like I took one, fell asleep hard, woke up twelve
Speaker 1: thirty wide away, didn't want to live that again, went
Speaker 1: and took another one, crashed hard, and slept clear to
Speaker 1: my alarm, like deep slumber, and it was freaking awesome.
Speaker 2: But you came in today with no pants on, so I.
Speaker 1: Didn't even notice how till now I am pants genitals
Speaker 1: are flapping right.
Speaker 6: And I didn't want to say anything, but yeah, it's
Speaker 6: been uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Michael hasn't it? He sure has? But I slept well.
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I hope it's not a diffen bad for your brain,
Speaker 1: because that result last night makes me think tonight I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Double it up again. Oh Elvis, I know Michael Jackson right,
Speaker 2: for Michael, some.
Speaker 7: Of the milk, some of the melatonin milk, doctor Conrad,
Speaker 7: I'm sure it's good for me.
Speaker 2: Any who.
Speaker 1: So I'm talking about the whole sleeping thing, and when
Speaker 1: I bring it up with people, people keep saying the
Speaker 1: same thing, and I keep ignoring it because I don't
Speaker 1: want to do it. Are you putting away your phone
Speaker 1: at least an hour and a half before you go
Speaker 1: to bed?
Speaker 2: Now I'm looking it up.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it up until the second I go
Speaker 1: to sleep every night and there's there's all kinds of
Speaker 1: conflicting research on this.
Speaker 5: On how I mean.
Speaker 1: There are studies to say the blue light is absolute
Speaker 1: worst thing for you. There are studies that say blue
Speaker 1: light's a myth, it doesn't do anything. It's the it's
Speaker 1: the being engaged with information that makes you awake, not
Speaker 1: the light.
Speaker 2: From your phone. I don't have any idea. I do
Speaker 2: know this.
Speaker 1: Me and everybody else used to watch television up to
Speaker 1: the moment they went to sleep, and it didn't keep
Speaker 1: us awake. I don't remember anybody thinking the TV was
Speaker 1: stimulating them to the point that was wake, whether I
Speaker 1: was watching the.
Speaker 2: News or a movie or sports or whatever.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: I don't know if I do this intentionally, but as
Speaker 6: you were talking, I was thinking about my pattern, and
Speaker 6: it is definitely as the evening progresses, because you know,
Speaker 6: I work some in the evening quote unquote, it progresses
Speaker 6: from the like intellectual and serious to the purely pleasurable.
Speaker 6: And the last hour of my day is always music
Speaker 6: or comedy or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just and then I read, and I read all
Speaker 1: my books on my phone too, So.
Speaker 5: I just I can't imagine pulling the plug on that.
Speaker 1: I would be really really hard for me to put
Speaker 1: my phone in a drawer or something an hour and
Speaker 1: a half before betting then go to bed. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like an addic or something just like it
Speaker 1: kind of scares me to even think about it. But
Speaker 1: what are you reading like before pad? Is it serious stuff?
Speaker 1: Weighty stuff for a long Well, that's all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1: Could be anything, depends on the mood, but that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Almost always stuff that porn, Michael. Almost always
Speaker 1: stuff I want to use on the show. But it
Speaker 1: might be lighthearted stuff like this. I was reading a
Speaker 1: study about sleeping. I enjoy that so but I can
Speaker 1: use it on the air and then I screen captured
Speaker 1: it and highlight it and everything like that for I'm
Speaker 1: going to sleep well anyway that brings me to this,
Speaker 1: Your phone may not be the problem when it comes
Speaker 1: to distraction. In this article, I was just reading where
Speaker 1: they're making the argument, and I just don't know if
Speaker 1: I buy this or not that it's the it's the information,
Speaker 1: it's the engagement. It's not the it's not the phone itself,
Speaker 1: it's not the light. It's just that if you're doing
Speaker 1: anything to super get engaged that's addictive behavior and going
Speaker 1: to keep you awake, whether it's on.
Speaker 2: Your computer or your phone or any other I.
Speaker 1: Just don't buy that because I never had these before,
Speaker 1: and neither did anybody else. As far as I know,
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who said, man, I just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I start reading readers Digest at eleven o'clock,
Speaker 1: and I think it keeps me up. I need to
Speaker 1: put the Reader's Digest down, our Sports Illustrated or watching
Speaker 1: TV or anything other than this smartphone stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess I just like I said, I deliberately
Speaker 6: go from the serious stuff about how to battle Marxism
Speaker 6: to some rock stars autobiography for.
Speaker 2: That last half hour hour of the day.
Speaker 6: And it's it's good for me because I noticed you
Speaker 6: think that hows you get to sleep one hundred percent. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and you know your results may vary. But like I
Speaker 6: used to, so, I don't know where it is where
Speaker 6: you live.
Speaker 1: It's dark at night where I live, and I have
Speaker 1: a black dog and who sleeps in the bedroom, and
Speaker 1: so I would use my phone as a night light
Speaker 1: to get me to the bathroom during my inevitable middle
Speaker 1: of the night stop. As an older fellow, and so
Speaker 1: I wouldn't step on poor Baxter.
Speaker 2: And then here here about Flomax, and then uh, I'm fine.
Speaker 6: Uh but so and I would glance at it and
Speaker 6: see a headline or two and think, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 6: The talks in Ukraine are breaking down and blah blah blah,
Speaker 6: and I would have a terrible time getting back to sleep.
Speaker 6: Oh that's looking at a weather forecast.
Speaker 1: Totally totally abandon it. Now, I just look very carefully
Speaker 1: for my dog.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what that study is basically saying.
Speaker 1: It's the information, not the device or light or anything
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, amen.
Speaker 5: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Well I do know this.
Speaker 1: I mean I understand the scientific method enough for this.
Speaker 1: I got to at least try it to eliminate that
Speaker 1: as a possible reason why I can't sleep at night.
Speaker 5: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I got to buy a paper book for one thing,
Speaker 1: I don't own any I'm got to get a paper book.
Speaker 2: They got stores full of them, that's what.
Speaker 1: They used to I might have to order it on
Speaker 1: Amazon and then I get one. Got to come up
Speaker 1: with some sort of light to be able to see
Speaker 1: the book. I don't know, but I so many logistical
Speaker 1: challenges a light. Where do you get those? I like
Speaker 1: laying there in the pitch dark reading on my phone.
Speaker 1: I just love that. I'm currently reading the memoir from
Speaker 1: Salmon Rushdie about when he published this Satanic verses and
Speaker 1: the fat wah and all that sort of stuff ended
Speaker 1: up getting his.
Speaker 2: Eye carved out. And you can't sleep. I wonder why?
Speaker 2: You know what, folks, I just I give up what
Speaker 2: you don't think you can read?
Speaker 1: Seriously, you don't think you can read serious nonfiction before.
Speaker 2: You go to bed. I don't.
Speaker 6: I think it'll keep you awake. Wow, that's interesting. I've
Speaker 6: been doing that my whole life, ramping down, ramping down.
Speaker 2: So what should I read?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 6: I say, I I would read or reread, you know,
Speaker 6: Keith Richards talking about making the Exile on Main Street
Speaker 6: album or something like that.
Speaker 2: Just purely pleasurable, pleasurable reading.
Speaker 1: I only read things that are like a homework assignment,
Speaker 1: which people often mock me for. I only read things
Speaker 1: that are like punishingly difficult, that make.
Speaker 2: You angry and worry.
Speaker 6: Yes again, and I can't think of any connection speaking
Speaker 6: of Witch, an update on the situation in Ukraine. It
Speaker 6: is not great for anybody. Also, I really want to
Speaker 6: squeeze this in. Help me do that. Jack there is
Speaker 6: a public official in the great state of cal you
Speaker 6: Cornia who really deserves.
Speaker 2: A calling out. Just awful, awful person cool. I would
Speaker 2: like to do that.
Speaker 1: If you think you know anything about the melatonin thing.
Speaker 1: I do worry about abusing that and altering my brain
Speaker 1: and putting myself into a bad spiral there going full
Speaker 1: Elvis slash Michael Jackson, and I'll want to do that.
Speaker 2: But man, it sure worked last night.
Speaker 1: Then I had doctor Murray pump me full of some
Speaker 1: uppers this morning, and here I am.
Speaker 7: Will it works for a while, I promised you that
Speaker 7: works for a while. I slept like the dead. Well
Speaker 7: then will I think you know the rest?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or you go Elvis and it's just I'm gonna I'll
Speaker 1: bet have a little trouble in here. We got more
Speaker 1: on the way shot. Wow, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: can commit to this. So I just got a text
Speaker 1: on my personal phone from one of our best clients
Speaker 1: that we endorse. Not I would mention his name, but
Speaker 1: I didn't ask him if he was okay with people
Speaker 1: knowing this. But anyway, this is what he says, and
Speaker 1: I told Joe who it is. He said, He texted,
Speaker 1: this is about getting to sleep. I started cold plunging
Speaker 1: every morning. It's the best six thousand dollars I've ever spent.
Speaker 1: And he gives me the link to plunge dot com,
Speaker 1: which it gives you a tub for your ice bath that.
Speaker 2: You jump into.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 1: And he said, my sleep scores have gone up twenty
Speaker 1: five percent since starting.
Speaker 5: I don't know how you measure sleep scores.
Speaker 2: I guess your smart lots.
Speaker 5: I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He said, it's absolutely horrible, all caps, but it's the
Speaker 1: best thing I've done. Sleep, stress, pain, joint pain recovery,
Speaker 1: all vastly improved.
Speaker 2: Wow. Man, even I'm not sure I could do that.
Speaker 1: Even if you told me one hundred percent guaranteed you'll
Speaker 1: sleep like a baby every.
Speaker 2: Night the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: I still don't think I could jump into an ice
Speaker 1: bath before bed.
Speaker 2: It's when he gets up in the morning, he said, right,
Speaker 2: is it right?
Speaker 5: This thing? It doesn't say either way, oh every morning?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, either way, No, it doesn't matter when I
Speaker 1: don't care what time of day it is.
Speaker 2: I could not get into a tub of ice.
Speaker 6: Well, you could tell me, you know, once a year,
Speaker 6: a fairy princess will descend in a gossamer gown and
Speaker 6: hand me a million dollars.
Speaker 2: I still wouldn't want to do that.
Speaker 1: Well, he said it's horrible in all caps. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's something that he does on a daily basis, and
Speaker 1: it's absolutely horrible. But it's the best thing I've done,
Speaker 1: best of money he's ever spent. You know, God, you know,
Speaker 1: a full night of RESTful sleep. God, what is that worth?
Speaker 1: But is your brain trying to die before you make it?
Speaker 2: Do that again?
Speaker 1: Is that why you're sleeping through the night, It's just
Speaker 1: trying to turn I don't know. That's a good question there,
Speaker 1: And it's not some sort of evolution thing. We weren't
Speaker 1: designed to be plunged into ice every morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Well, the the old the guy that used to run Twitter,
Speaker 1: remember he would do ice plunge than hot tub or
Speaker 1: back and forth or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew a guy who saw by that, very
Speaker 2: smart successful guy. Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Or back and forth heat cold, heat cold, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so of more political nature. Kim Strassel of the Journal
Speaker 6: Who's just terrific, pointing out of the infamous signal leak situation.
Speaker 2: Well, well, if you don't know what happened, I don't
Speaker 2: know what to do for you.
Speaker 6: They were chatting about bombing the Huthi's a bunch of
Speaker 6: administration officials and it got out because inexplicably, a lefty
Speaker 6: piece of crap journalist's pardon me, Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic,
Speaker 6: who is utterly dishonest and a coward, was included in
Speaker 6: the string. I find myself wondering whether that was deliberate.
Speaker 6: Was that just a sloppy staffer who meant to include
Speaker 6: Jonah Goldberg in some string and put down Jeffrey Goldberg's
Speaker 6: email address. But Jonah Goldberg wasn't part of the signal group.
Speaker 6: How does that accidentally happen?
Speaker 1: There's some belief that, either with that or in the
Speaker 1: afterwards part, this is an effort by a lot of
Speaker 1: the MAGA crowd in the administration who doesn't like walls
Speaker 1: because he's too much of a neo Khanish sort of
Speaker 1: person like interventions, wants to fight these wars, and they
Speaker 1: want him out because they.
Speaker 6: Absolutely traditional conservative. But yeah, that's an interesting theory. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's worth exploring anyway. Kim Straussel has a great piece
Speaker 6: where she points out, Yeah, that was dumb and it
Speaker 6: was sloppy and they need to do better. But then
Speaker 6: she talks about the fever pitch of coverage of it
Speaker 6: and how it wasn't It was literally a leak because
Speaker 6: it was unintentionally and this case is rare and that
Speaker 6: we know who did it and how it happened.
Speaker 2: Compare that with a torrent of.
Speaker 6: Leaks that began in the run up to mister Trump's
Speaker 6: first election, nearly all of them via unnamed officials who
Speaker 6: planted selected information incredulous media outlets with the purpose of
Speaker 6: manipulating politics. This was in the accidental inclusion of somebody's
Speaker 6: email address. It was completely intentional.
Speaker 1: There were leaks about a scandalous fact free dossier and
Speaker 1: the FBI investigation into Trump Russia collusion to sway the election.
Speaker 1: Leaks about Michael Flynn's call with a Russian ambassador to
Speaker 1: further the collusion narrative. Dozens more leaks out of Special
Speaker 1: Council Robert Muller's investigation, most of which were as wild
Speaker 1: as they were false.
Speaker 2: Adam Schiff leaks.
Speaker 6: About mister Trump's confidential phone calls with foreign leaders to
Speaker 6: cast them as chaotic adult dangerous, which hurt the United
Speaker 6: States national security because our allies were afraid to talk
Speaker 6: to Trump because Staffer would leak it all. So, yeah,
Speaker 6: your selective outrage is pretty selective.
Speaker 2: That's an excellent point, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 8: Well, non citizens are generally guaranteed the same free speech
Speaker 8: rights as American citizens. The Trump administration says their presence
Speaker 8: in the US is a quote privilege.
Speaker 2: Secretary of State.
Speaker 8: Mark Rubio says more than three hundred student visas have
Speaker 8: now been revoked by the Trump administration for jeopardizing security
Speaker 8: or being a risk to US foreign policies.
Speaker 2: I assume this is.
Speaker 1: Going to the Supreme Court. What is it persons or
Speaker 1: humans or whatever the language is for, you know, due
Speaker 1: process and free speech and everything like, if you're here,
Speaker 1: you get it.
Speaker 2: With few exceptions.
Speaker 1: Now the administration is making the argument, well, these few
Speaker 1: exceptions apply here. Here's Marco Rubio's Secretary of State who's
Speaker 1: been making these decisions.
Speaker 9: If you apply for a visa to enter the United
Speaker 9: States and be a student, and you tell us that
Speaker 9: the reason why you're coming to the United States, it's
Speaker 9: not just because you want to write op eds, but
Speaker 9: because you want to participate in movements that are involved
Speaker 9: in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings,
Speaker 9: creating a ruckus.
Speaker 2: We're not going to give you a visa. We don't
Speaker 2: want it. We don't want it in our country.
Speaker 9: Go back and do it in your country, but you're
Speaker 9: not going to do it in our country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have the right to free speech. You don't
Speaker 1: have a right to a visa. If you're going to
Speaker 1: that's it. So yeah, okay, so I see the distinction there.
Speaker 1: You're a disruptive pain in the ass. We don't want
Speaker 1: you here. We've got like one hundred million of those already.
Speaker 2: Goodbye.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I understand it.
Speaker 6: I mean it's not like a bright line. Well it
Speaker 6: is in a way, but and I will always stand
Speaker 6: up for free speech. But to import somebody, I always
Speaker 6: use the example of I wanted to go live and
Speaker 6: work in Germany after college. Said that wasn't a good idea,
Speaker 6: partly because German so freaking hard to learn. But you know,
Speaker 6: they had ironically now as you look at it, but
Speaker 6: just really really strict laws about who could immigrate, who
Speaker 6: could work, what you had to do, and that sort
Speaker 6: of thing, and I picture myself going there on some
Speaker 6: sort of visa, then chanting and waving a placard down
Speaker 6: with Germany. I hate Germany, and occupying a building or
Speaker 6: something like that. And then when the German authorities come
Speaker 6: to me and said, Joe, you got to go home.
Speaker 6: You're annoying me, saying, wa, how can you do that? No,
Speaker 6: I applied for a visander your rules, and now I
Speaker 6: violated them.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you don't hear.
Speaker 1: You don't hear lefties talking about how strict Germany's policies
Speaker 1: were or Canada's. I know somebody who wanted to go
Speaker 1: to Canada again. So I know somebody wanted to go
Speaker 1: to Canada years ago. And you had to prove that
Speaker 1: you weren't going to be a financial burden of the country,
Speaker 1: that you're gonna be able to support yourself. Either had
Speaker 1: to have enough money already or a career or something
Speaker 1: like that. And people weren't going nuts about how awful
Speaker 1: it is that those other countries did that. If we
Speaker 1: have any standard whatsoever, it's too much for a lot
Speaker 1: of people.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in spite of the fact that that's utterly, you know,
Speaker 6: unprecedented at least it was for you know, most of
Speaker 6: human history, which reminds me I was thinking the other day.
Speaker 6: I'll bet and I don't know what the name is
Speaker 6: going to be, but there will be a generally recognized
Speaker 6: name for the phenomenon of the two thousands, mostly that
Speaker 6: reached its height under like Angela Merkel and Joe Biden
Speaker 6: and various authorities in European countries in which their borders
Speaker 6: were thrown.
Speaker 2: Open to.
Speaker 6: Just unmitigated, unfiltered immigration from the Third World, particularly the Muslim.
Speaker 2: Why did they do it?
Speaker 1: Your theory always in the United States is we got
Speaker 1: to have workers to prop up social security blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: or the Democratic Party out they were gonna get voters.
Speaker 1: Is it the same thing for Germany and Great Britain?
Speaker 6: You know, there are probably differences around the edges, but yeah,
Speaker 6: they have low birth rates too, really in fact, lower
Speaker 6: dinars in a couple of European countries. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 6: they need to import young workers, is most of it.
Speaker 6: And the globalists, and I don't throw that around as
Speaker 6: an insult because there are benefits to globalism as well
Speaker 6: as costs. But big industry was super in favor of it.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 6: And remember, for the longest time, those people and others,
Speaker 6: just soft headed idiots, would say that any expression of
Speaker 6: I like our country, we have a culture, we've lived
Speaker 6: here all our lives, we're proud of it. That was
Speaker 6: decried as racism and xenophobia and nationalism.
Speaker 1: Oh, for a long time people were shamed into silence
Speaker 1: in much of the Western world.
Speaker 2: And that needs a name.
Speaker 6: That period of insane suicidal self sacrifice on the altar
Speaker 6: of a couple of different things. Anyway, these are the
Speaker 6: things I think about. Back to Marco Rubio and his
Speaker 6: various measures. I thought this was so interesting. There's a
Speaker 6: lawsuit in New.
Speaker 1: York City from families of Israeli hostages against a lot
Speaker 1: of these Columbia University student groups and activists.
Speaker 2: Saying they functioned not as like.
Speaker 6: Informal kind of sort of partners of Hamas, but they
Speaker 6: led hamas as quote US based in house public relations firm,
Speaker 6: the Columbia University Apartheid divest organization that remember that grad
Speaker 6: student or they're trying to boot out macmood Khalil.
Speaker 2: He represented that organization.
Speaker 6: That and the Students for Justice in Palestine and American
Speaker 6: Muslims for Palestine led to Hamas's propaganda arm in New
Speaker 6: York City and on the Columbia University campus, and should
Speaker 6: be held accountable for aiding in a betting Hamas's continued
Speaker 6: acts of international terrorism. So it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 6: this lawsuit proceed whether the ties were formal or extensive
Speaker 6: enough to substantiate that.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at.
Speaker 1: It's breaking news on CNN hearing ends and deportation case
Speaker 1: of that kid you just mentioned, the Columbia kids. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna get ruling on that
Speaker 1: today or what.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a grown ass man by the way, no child,
Speaker 6: but he's twenties, mid twenties, I think. Anyway, this got
Speaker 6: no coverage and it just shows you the depth of
Speaker 6: media bias, as if we need to point that out
Speaker 6: to you anymore.
Speaker 1: But when you really, really really see the bias is
Speaker 1: when you've got a great story. It's interesting, it's exciting,
Speaker 1: has like violence and people shouting, and they ignore it anyway.
Speaker 1: So if it bleeds, it leads, if there's fire, it
Speaker 1: goes higher.
Speaker 6: Unless it kind of makes progressives look bad, then we
Speaker 6: bury it. The day after the acting President of Columbia
Speaker 6: announced the the new restrictions on mask wearing protests. Student
Speaker 6: Workers of Columbia, the university's graduate student union, organized a
Speaker 6: mask picket protest to protest Columbia's repressive new policies and
Speaker 6: handed out masks to everybody. And in fact, oh my god,
Speaker 6: Colombia's Palestine Solidarity Coalition called on students quote to wear
Speaker 6: a mask on Monday.
Speaker 2: This happened a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: Obviously, mask bands and the fascist trustees how are you
Speaker 1: up with masks?
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 6: The group appeared to poke fun at the new policy,
Speaker 6: which allows masks for quote, medical reasons. While the campus
Speaker 6: protest remained relatively tame and highly lamb It calls into
Speaker 6: question in the school's ability or intention.
Speaker 2: Really to enforce its new rules.
Speaker 6: See yeah this for medical reasons, says every gd hamas
Speaker 6: loving protest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to be hard to nail down. Legally speaking,
Speaker 1: I'll bet it's coming out of COVID. I mean, if
Speaker 1: it were twenty nineteen, maybe, but I see people regularly
Speaker 1: wearing COVID.
Speaker 6: Masks, so this would have been so easy for the
Speaker 6: entire history of the United States. Excuse me, these are
Speaker 6: laws that were developed to stop the Ku Klux Klan
Speaker 6: from organizing and marching and terrorizing people, they're still valid.
Speaker 6: If you're so afraid of your health that you must
Speaker 6: wear a mask everywhere, you got to skip the protest.
Speaker 2: It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1: Bye bye, Write them a check, write them a letter,
Speaker 1: write a letter to the editor, tell all your friends
Speaker 1: about it. Engage in one hundred different sorts of protest,
Speaker 1: civil disobedience, or persuasion. But you can't come to the
Speaker 1: protest if you're wearing a mask. In Joe Getty's America, Jack,
Speaker 1: this would not be difficult to enforce. I guess we're
Speaker 1: gonna get a ruling later today from the judge, probably
Speaker 1: on that student so and.
Speaker 5: We'll talk about that on Monday.
Speaker 6: No justice, no peace, no campus police, they said, banging
Speaker 6: on plastic buckets. Oh, that reminds me old friend of
Speaker 6: the Armstrong and Getty show. Maybe I won't to identify him,
Speaker 6: but he was in Chicago and came out of the
Speaker 6: courtroom where he was working on a case and saw
Speaker 6: a weak, pathetic Chicago teachers Union protest against like trying
Speaker 6: to actually educate kids, school choice and that sort of thing,
Speaker 6: and he looked out, is you know it's maybe twenty people,
Speaker 6: just a sad, sad thing on.
Speaker 2: Their Facebook page.
Speaker 6: Though Classic had the camera in tight and it looked
Speaker 6: like a throng of.
Speaker 1: Angry people fighting against the wrong doers.
Speaker 2: It was just sad.
Speaker 1: So before we take a break, I want to throw
Speaker 1: a question out to you. Is anybody trying the cold
Speaker 1: water plunge to sleep or whatever other benefits you get?
Speaker 5: Because we mentioned uh, our friend.
Speaker 1: Steve texted the show that he jumps into the does
Speaker 1: the cold water Plunge every morning and now sleeps.
Speaker 2: The best he's ever slept with life.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that plunging into water sound, Michael, beautiful
Speaker 1: Theater of the nine. I don't think I could do this,
Speaker 1: but is anybody doing it? I would be interested? Four
Speaker 1: one five here's our text line four one five two
Speaker 1: nine five KFTC.
Speaker 5: If you are trying it.
Speaker 1: And coming up the cultural norms we must all adopt
Speaker 1: to save the souls of our children, tune out and
Speaker 1: lose the souls of your children.
Speaker 2: It's up to you.
Speaker 1: Oh you don't care about your child, say wow, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: then go about your business, get your bagel or whatever
Speaker 1: else you were gonna do.
Speaker 2: Stay here.
Speaker 10: Today, President Trump called for Republicans and Congress to immediately
Speaker 10: defund NPR and PBS.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when NPR heard, they went nuts.
Speaker 5: They said, this is an outrage, where with a ton of.
Speaker 2: Transplanted dangerous came.
Speaker 10: If PBS stops airing those old doop concerts, a bunch
Speaker 10: of eighty year olds are gonna storm the Capitol. That's
Speaker 10: what I'm telling tell it's gonna have.
Speaker 5: It's gonna have.
Speaker 1: So we got a gazillion text about what you did
Speaker 1: to sleep better, or this or that it apparently struck
Speaker 1: a nerve. Maybe we'll get to some of those. An
Speaker 1: hour four just came across this headline.
Speaker 2: New device.
Speaker 1: Allows visually impaired NBA fans to enjoy the action like
Speaker 1: never before. So finally the blind can enjoy NBA action.
Speaker 1: I guess with some device they invented. Maybe I'll get
Speaker 1: that story later. I can't imagine that would.
Speaker 6: Be if you don't get our four as some folks don't,
Speaker 6: or you gotta go somewhere grab it via podcasts subscribed
Speaker 6: Armstrong and Getty on demand. So Peace just came out
Speaker 6: and substack written by Jonathan Height and Zach Rausch, who
Speaker 6: are terrific people talking about but Peter Bogos book The
Speaker 6: Anxious Generation, that was published a year ago today, and
Speaker 6: their plan was to promote the book in the spring,
Speaker 6: then get to work on John's next book, deeply depressing
Speaker 6: investigation of technology's effect on democracy. That's John Heyde. I'm
Speaker 6: sorry it wasn't because you know, it was height in
Speaker 6: this case, and that's coming out at some point. But
Speaker 6: instead they realized the book catalyzed a movement around the world,
Speaker 6: the Anxious Generation, about kids and smartphones and social media.
Speaker 6: And they say, most spectacularly, school states and entire countries
Speaker 6: implemented phone free school policies in Australia raise the age
Speaker 6: for opening social media accounts to sixteen, which is beyond
Speaker 6: their wildest dreams of how much effect the book might have.
Speaker 6: It's really terrific book. And even read the rest of it.
Speaker 6: I started it and didn't so, you know, being easily distracted.
Speaker 6: And then they describe the inevitable, well, the the unavoidable
Speaker 6: description of what happens when kids are obsessed with smartphone
Speaker 6: and social media, and how COVID made it even worse
Speaker 6: because kids were, because of progressive policies, deprived of school
Speaker 6: and every other normal social activity, even though they would
Speaker 6: have been perfectly fine and were confined to their screens.
Speaker 6: And that's left us in a terrible state. And by
Speaker 6: early twenty twenty four parents were sick of it. I
Speaker 6: don't think we need to describe that. The terrible effect, suicide, depression, anxiety,
Speaker 6: to isolation, loneliness, just on and on and on, incost
Speaker 6: So anyway, here's the main point. They say that we
Speaker 6: can give you an update on the progress of the
Speaker 6: movement draw lessons for the future by reviewing what's happened
Speaker 6: for each of the four norms that they're promoting. These
Speaker 6: are social norms like hey, don't drink and drive, or no,
Speaker 6: it's not okay to hit your spouse when you're mad.
Speaker 6: Social norms Number one, no smartphones before high school or
Speaker 6: age fourteen period. If you give your kid less than
Speaker 6: fourteen the smartphone, that's an odd thing to do.
Speaker 2: It's outside the norm.
Speaker 1: That's what we've done. Yeah, and look, this is not
Speaker 1: to guilt anybody. Please don't treat your attacking parent.
Speaker 6: I had to because my kid is the epileptic and
Speaker 6: I am an astronaut and you know whatever else.
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, he's up, man, it's it's fine.
Speaker 1: He's visually impaired and can't enjoy the NBA right exactly.
Speaker 1: So the best way to delay the arrival of the
Speaker 1: phone based childhood wow is that a devastating term is
Speaker 1: to delay giving your child a smartphone to communicate. My
Speaker 1: son at he got his at fourteen. I guess he
Speaker 1: was a last one in his friend group.
Speaker 2: Wow wow.
Speaker 6: If you need to communicate, give him a simple phone, watch,
Speaker 6: flip phone or other basic phone with no internet access. Mom,
Speaker 6: I'm the only one who doesn't have one. I'm being
Speaker 6: left out was the plea heard by many parents, and
Speaker 6: many many many parents gave in that is now changing.
Speaker 6: What was needed was a clear noise, a bright line,
Speaker 6: a minimum age target that parents could aim for together.
Speaker 2: They suggested fourteen.
Speaker 1: Always careful when you get into parenting advice, obviously, but
Speaker 1: like I know of several parents who like they won't
Speaker 1: let their kids do sleepovers because of all of the
Speaker 1: bad things that could happen, but they have smartphones. I'm
Speaker 1: more worried to my kid alone with a smartphone that
Speaker 1: over at his friend's house of what might happen.
Speaker 6: And they mentioned groups in the UK and the US
Speaker 6: that are promoting this stuff. Norm Number two, no social
Speaker 6: media before sixteen. Social media is wildly inappropriate for minors.
Speaker 1: That's got to be more of a girl thing, like
Speaker 1: my kids boys. I got two boys that they're just
Speaker 1: not interested in social media. I wonder if that's way
Speaker 1: more a girl thing.
Speaker 2: It is, It absolutely is.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 6: They collect and sell children's data, capture their attention for
Speaker 6: an average of five hours a day, and routinely expose
Speaker 6: them to sex, violence, and content that promotes suicide. Although
Speaker 6: an ideal minimum age would be eighteen, we chose sixteen
Speaker 6: because it sets an age floor that could realistically.
Speaker 2: Emerge as a global norm. And it's working.
Speaker 6: And they give a bunch of different examples of states
Speaker 6: and even countries that are saying no prior to sixteen.
Speaker 2: No, it's sick, it's bad for kids.
Speaker 1: God, smartphones came into my life when I was forty two,
Speaker 1: and they've warped my brain.
Speaker 2: Norm Number three phone free schools.
Speaker 6: Obviously in America, left and right off and disagree on
Speaker 6: how kids should be educated slash indoctrinated, but there's universal
Speaker 6: agreement that they should be educated. There's also agreement that
Speaker 6: kids are texting, playing video games, and watching TikTok videos
Speaker 6: and class are not being educated. Phones are distraction machines.
Speaker 6: That's becoming a more and more common norm from Arkansas
Speaker 6: to California.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: La phone free school, second biggest school district in America.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I hope this becomes the absolute norm, just for the
Speaker 1: sake of the children. I think it's nuts that they're
Speaker 1: allowed to have phones at school.
Speaker 6: And number four or and this is a big one.
Speaker 6: More independence, more free play, and more responsibility in the
Speaker 6: real world for children, smartphones are the symptom of a
Speaker 6: deeper problem, the crisis in childhood itself. Children need vast
Speaker 6: quantities of free play, independence, and responsibility to guide brain
Speaker 6: development and social development.
Speaker 2: Being a kid is about the fun, risk.
Speaker 6: Challenges, and thrills of exploring the richness of life with
Speaker 6: friends at your side and no parents in sight. Most
Speaker 6: people born before the mid eighties cherish memories of this
Speaker 6: kind of childhood, making them receptive to this fourth norm.
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot This is gonna be
Speaker 1: the toughest one. I don't even know if this one's doable.
Speaker 1: There are lots of kids that don't get an hour
Speaker 1: of that a week, not an hour where there's no
Speaker 1: parents hovering over, keeping an eye on it, or organized
Speaker 1: of some sort.
Speaker 6: They mentioned that the term anxious generation in the title
Speaker 6: of the book applies not only to the kids but
Speaker 6: their parents, who are stuck in a collective active problem
Speaker 6: action problem. How do I send my ca kids outside
Speaker 6: when no one else is doing it what they would
Speaker 6: prefer to be on their device? There, someone might call
Speaker 6: the police that my ten year old is playing ball
Speaker 6: with his friends in the park without a parent. We've
Speaker 6: got to stop that, America. We must stop it for
Speaker 6: our kids.
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