Speaker 1: This He's Talking Cowboys Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: World Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. No, your hosts,
Speaker 1: Micky Spagnola, robbed Phillips, Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. It's
Speaker 1: a cloudy Tuesday here from the s WBC Mortgage Studios
Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco. Once again, fifty fifty on
Speaker 1: the opening this week as Mickey Spagnola is back. Heckma
Speaker 1: Harrison is back. But guess who's back for the first
Speaker 1: time in almost a month. Rob Phillips back at the
Speaker 1: table for Talking Cowboys. Welcome Rob, thanks man, it's good
Speaker 1: to be back. Good to be back. And some applause
Speaker 1: it was, yes, some big applause for you. And he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to Yeah, he doesn't want to push the button.
Speaker 1: It's okay. But at the same time, happy things for
Speaker 1: you and your family. We wish you the best in man,
Speaker 1: how you feeling right now? No, ask him if he's sleeping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how are you sleeping right now? I'm a little sleep deprived.
Speaker 1: It's gone from she'll sleep seven hours. She's four months,
Speaker 1: four weeks old today, she's a month old. Today, she
Speaker 1: sleeps seven hours straight. Some nights. Some nights like last night,
Speaker 1: not at all. Yeah, but it's fine because she's too
Speaker 1: cute to get mad at. But I am happy to
Speaker 1: be back, happy to be back. And uh, it's funny
Speaker 1: the things that get you happy when you're a new parent,
Speaker 1: like when they burp everything, Like it's like, man, I
Speaker 1: accomplish something, you know, so why don't they are grumpy?
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Whole life changes. But it's gonna
Speaker 1: be back. And a lot of things have kind of
Speaker 1: come and gone since you've been gone. I mean the
Speaker 1: NFL combine now in the rearview mirror, a TV broadcaster
Speaker 1: now is being paid seventeen million dollars in a former
Speaker 1: Cowboys quarterback at that, and Tony Romo and his new
Speaker 1: contract with CBS and then making You wrote about it
Speaker 1: a little bit in your mix shots this past week.
Speaker 1: But the famed Leaning Tower of Dallas is coming gone.
Speaker 1: It went yesterday you sat about it came tumbling down.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see how long it could last? Right,
Speaker 1: what was do you know the amount of days that
Speaker 1: it ended up lasting? I read it? Is it like twelve?
Speaker 1: It's almost two weeks? Twelve, let's say twelve? The things
Speaker 1: that we sensationalized these days, halfcial media. We love it
Speaker 1: is the leaning Tower of Dallas. It's gonna say if
Speaker 1: you're a tourist, if you're thinking about tourism in Dallas,
Speaker 1: is that a comment on the things to do and
Speaker 1: see in Dallas? If we're like, we got its shape, man,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a landmark in Dallas. Shape. The
Speaker 1: amazing thing is so that the wrecking ball was hitting
Speaker 1: it in the brick wood fall, little piece of cement
Speaker 1: with fall, and then when it came tumbling down, it
Speaker 1: got hit up top and the whole thing came down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was like, well, why didn't that happen before
Speaker 1: you find the sweet spot? I think they did that
Speaker 1: by design. They knew all the marketing dollars, the T
Speaker 1: shirts with I mean, the thing had his own Instagram,
Speaker 1: it dead and Twitter as well, and it was it
Speaker 1: was tweeting from the dead yesterday saying I'm a wreck
Speaker 1: I'm Peter. Channel I think Channel eight had a live
Speaker 1: camera on it the whole time. It was streaming on
Speaker 1: their website so you could check in on at any
Speaker 1: time you want it. It It was just to make sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's isn't it crazy, like you said, the things that
Speaker 1: we sensationalize, and I mean that was a construction failure.
Speaker 1: It wasn't supposed to be there. No, actually it was
Speaker 1: a construction brilliant Who remember built it? Built it awfully? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they really did. Actually, there was a story in the
Speaker 1: Morning News today they talked to the two daughters of
Speaker 1: the architect who designed it. Oh yeah, the guy I
Speaker 1: think passed away a couple of years ago. But they
Speaker 1: talked about how well they built things. Not built the
Speaker 1: same way anymore, are they? And they built it from
Speaker 1: the inside out, so that structure was the first part
Speaker 1: of it with all bunch of cement, and then they
Speaker 1: built around it for the rest of the tower, so
Speaker 1: it was more dynamite. Yes, right, there is. That's how
Speaker 1: you build an NFL roster from the inside out. All
Speaker 1: that's how I think. How about that for a segue.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm here for. I've been saving it up man,
Speaker 1: four weeks. Oh, thank goodness you are back, because we
Speaker 1: do have to talk about building this roster. And we'll
Speaker 1: start things off by looking back at the NFL combine.
Speaker 1: There was plenty that went on over the past week.
Speaker 1: Jerry spoke to the media, Mike McCarthy had a press conference,
Speaker 1: and then of course the actual drills in the combine
Speaker 1: going on. World hit all three of those throughout the
Speaker 1: course of the show. But let's start with the man
Speaker 1: upstairs and talking about Jerry Jones. Jerry, of course met
Speaker 1: with the local media in the bus in Indianapolis. That's
Speaker 1: the first show that we've had for Talking Cowboys since
Speaker 1: that interview took place. Was there anything of substance from
Speaker 1: that interview or there were a lot of different things.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was almost an hour and a half
Speaker 1: that he went on and on and on. They were
Speaker 1: talking points, there were different subjects and topics put out there,
Speaker 1: But was there anything specific that stuck out to you guys? Well,
Speaker 1: for me, I think the Dak thing continues to dominate
Speaker 1: the new cycle and it should. And I mean anytime
Speaker 1: you compare the quarterback to your son, that is that
Speaker 1: drew my attention and it reinforced the fact that they
Speaker 1: they really value Dak is the future of this franchise
Speaker 1: and they need to get something done. Will they get
Speaker 1: something done by March twelfth? I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could be pretty skeptical about that. The fact they
Speaker 1: haven't talked in September, but that's that's the number one
Speaker 1: thing going right now. Can they get this thing done?
Speaker 1: How does that impact everything else? And the CBA as well,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys are kind of operating in a tough
Speaker 1: situation right now because they want to see how the
Speaker 1: new language impacts the salary cap and some of their
Speaker 1: financial flexibility going forward. Make I We'll see, but I
Speaker 1: think they feel like they can get it done at
Speaker 1: some point and get in franchise if they have to. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think one of the things you took from what
Speaker 1: Jerry said is it's kind of an old philosophy of
Speaker 1: tech Shram that I think he taught Jerry when the
Speaker 1: sale went through that what's good for the league is
Speaker 1: good for the Cowboys, not if it's good for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: then don't worry about the league. And his thoughts were,
Speaker 1: you know, I should have voted no for this, because
Speaker 1: then if we didn't get this CBA ratified, I'd have
Speaker 1: two tags to use instead of one if it gets passed.
Speaker 1: But he sided with what's best for the league long term,
Speaker 1: not what's best for the Cowboys on the shirt term.
Speaker 1: I thought the other thing that stood out to me,
Speaker 1: and most of his comments had always seemed to come
Speaker 1: back to this, we're building a team, and he kept
Speaker 1: saying it. We're building a team, and whatever I do
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys money is to make the Cowboys better.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about saving a nickel or a dime.
Speaker 1: It's not my money. It's salary cap money. And so
Speaker 1: I thought, that to me is what stuck out that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's almost like and I wrote about it
Speaker 1: on Friday, going back to Jason Garrett's little theme of
Speaker 1: the team, the team, the team, and that's the way
Speaker 1: they're looking at this. What money I spend for Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: maybe Amari Cooper, how does that affect the rest of
Speaker 1: the team, Because I've got to put a team together
Speaker 1: with twenty five free agents out there, impending free agents
Speaker 1: out there. So that's what stuck out to me over
Speaker 1: a minute and minute, a minute, hour and twenty one minutes,
Speaker 1: I think, is what the what the video came out to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm one of those people. Macul listened
Speaker 1: to Jerry Jones speak for hours. Man. I love He's
Speaker 1: a great storyteller, and I mean it is historian basically
Speaker 1: talking about pre Cowboys, being an entrepreneur and then purchasing
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in the thousands of deals that he's had
Speaker 1: to make, you know, contracts that he's gone over and
Speaker 1: just talking about the history of making those deals and
Speaker 1: just understanding that you can't be in a rush to
Speaker 1: get things done. He told a story about a guy
Speaker 1: and he a guy that came to his church and
Speaker 1: was talking about someone being in an accident and severing
Speaker 1: and an artery. And you know, it's a difference between
Speaker 1: a guy that severs an artery and runs into the
Speaker 1: forest and bleeds out and dies of shock or a
Speaker 1: guy that sits there and holds the womb and waits
Speaker 1: on help. And so, I mean, it's a it's a story,
Speaker 1: it's an analogy for for all time with just basically saying, look,
Speaker 1: you gotta be patient and you just can't rush to things.
Speaker 1: But I just absolutely loved it, just going over the source,
Speaker 1: even the story about Emmy Smith's deal, when you know,
Speaker 1: he was thinking that he was gonna get Emma's deal
Speaker 1: done and them and said, well, nope, just come pick
Speaker 1: up my ring and I'm gonna you know, you know,
Speaker 1: be waiting, you know, sitting this thing out, and Jerry says, man,
Speaker 1: I've almost spent eight hours at a watering hole in
Speaker 1: New York thinking that, you know, Lasseter was gonna be
Speaker 1: my running back. And actually ten minutes later Emmitt called
Speaker 1: and said, let's get this thing done. But we didn't
Speaker 1: have cell phones back then. So I absolutely love the
Speaker 1: interview well and kind of the interview. Really the big
Speaker 1: point of the interview what he started off with was
Speaker 1: that CBA negotiation. Both you, Rob and Mick have just
Speaker 1: to hit on it already, but kind of go through
Speaker 1: what that means, because right now, the way it stands,
Speaker 1: right you can use both a franchise and a transition
Speaker 1: tag in the last year of the CBA, which is
Speaker 1: that what we're in right now in twenty twenty with
Speaker 1: the CBA that's in in existence at this point. But
Speaker 1: in all the other years you get to use one one.
Speaker 1: And so if the new CBA has the same rule
Speaker 1: in there, then you get to use one. And the
Speaker 1: difference is the transition the franchise tag depending on what
Speaker 1: level you use, you know, team. If you just use
Speaker 1: the regular franchise tag, then the player can negotiate a
Speaker 1: contract or an offer sheet from another team, and then
Speaker 1: you have the right of first refusal and if you refuse,
Speaker 1: then they owe you two first round picks in this year.
Speaker 1: The transition tag, or I should say the exclusive tag
Speaker 1: means they can't sign an offer sheet. Then they can
Speaker 1: only play for you that costs six million dollars more
Speaker 1: during the season. And then the transition tag basically is
Speaker 1: the same thing as the regular franchise tag, with the
Speaker 1: exception is all you get is right of first refusal
Speaker 1: to get no compensation if you don't if you don't
Speaker 1: match the offer sheet. So which is if you because
Speaker 1: you have to match some monster deal that an offer
Speaker 1: sheet that the player might sign. Absolutely, but it gives
Speaker 1: you some level of protection. Now at least you have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to say, okay, you go see what market
Speaker 1: value is and then we'll see if we think we
Speaker 1: can afford market value. But that talks to how delicate
Speaker 1: the situation is. Because if you sign guys and you
Speaker 1: believe that you have two tags and the deal, the
Speaker 1: CBA deal is actually made, it's like oops, got to
Speaker 1: tear up one, and the whole negotiation process starts all
Speaker 1: over again. And he spoke to how delicate this is
Speaker 1: because the Cowboys are not. This is an inopportune time
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys to have have this situation with Dak
Speaker 1: and Cooper both being on the table and Byron Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not It's not ideal for Jerry Jones at all
Speaker 1: at all because and you know, it sounds like the
Speaker 1: reports are the NFL is trying to hustle to get
Speaker 1: this thing in the NFLPA in a position to vote
Speaker 1: on for the players. Can that happen in the next
Speaker 1: nine days. We'll see, It might take another week or two,
Speaker 1: and that could impact I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess they would always have the option to move things
Speaker 1: back again if they want to, right, Yeah, and they could.
Speaker 1: They could do that to make things easier on teams,
Speaker 1: or maybe we'll have a we'll have a Super Thursday,
Speaker 1: because we could have a Super Thursday. But it does impact.
Speaker 1: You know, they've talked all along Dack's number one priority,
Speaker 1: Mary's number two. And that was the other interesting thing
Speaker 1: that stood out to me with Jerry was Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's basically was very matter of fact. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough to get him resigned. I think they
Speaker 1: could do it. I think they could fit all those
Speaker 1: contracts underneath. But it reminds you. It's just a reminder
Speaker 1: of when you finally have to pay a quarterback a
Speaker 1: ton of money. You have to make concessions, you have
Speaker 1: to make tough decisions, and it's gonna come down to
Speaker 1: Byron Jones and he just may not be back. Well,
Speaker 1: somebody should come down to four guys in my book, yes,
Speaker 1: because Robert Quinn's important. Like, if Robert Quinn's not here,
Speaker 1: who's taking a spot Probably a draftee Randy Gregory if
Speaker 1: he comes back. Yeah, yeah, that's in the new cycle too.
Speaker 1: He wants to get reinstated and he should be able to.
Speaker 1: If a guy like Josh Josh Gordon can get back
Speaker 1: in the league, then definitely Randy Gregory should be able to.
Speaker 1: But make you alluded to that last a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago about Byron Jones basically allowing him to go
Speaker 1: out and test the market, and that's exactly what he's
Speaker 1: gonna do. He's gonna see if there are any suitors
Speaker 1: out there. And I think from from a fans standpoint,
Speaker 1: it's always been very interesting the undervalue, the undervaluing of
Speaker 1: Byron Jones at this point, because if his absence is
Speaker 1: going to leave a hole in the defense. If we don't,
Speaker 1: if we don't get resigned him, then obviously we're looking
Speaker 1: at the guys that we have on defense, which aren't
Speaker 1: a lot of guys, and then we're looking to the
Speaker 1: draft to potentially get a guy and hope that that
Speaker 1: works out when you already have that on your team. See,
Speaker 1: and you've got to go through free agency before the draft. True,
Speaker 1: so you don't know. You can't sit there and go, well,
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna do that, I'm gonna draft a guy
Speaker 1: because you don't know that's going to happen, right, you
Speaker 1: don't know what you're gonna get. No, you don't, and
Speaker 1: then you start reaching. So well, what they do, though, Mick,
Speaker 1: what if they lose Byron Jones. What they normally do
Speaker 1: is they try to give themselves some coverage. They try
Speaker 1: to sign somebody, right I stand a veteran to get,
Speaker 1: you know, as maybe a stop gap if they have to,
Speaker 1: and then see what they do in the draft. But
Speaker 1: I'm with you, agmat like, I think if Byron Jones leaves,
Speaker 1: that's your number one need on your roster at that point,
Speaker 1: because immediately immediately. You also need bodies the same time. Bodies.
Speaker 1: What have Robert Quinn's nut there? Well, then let's take
Speaker 1: your pick. It's one A, one B. Yeah that's my point.
Speaker 1: But but don't you think he makes a corner better
Speaker 1: A good corner or a good defensive A good defensive
Speaker 1: end led you in sacks, by the way, but you
Speaker 1: have nobody behind him, no nobody, Right, Tyron Crawford might
Speaker 1: get back, but he's not a three down defensive end.
Speaker 1: He's not going to be a pass rusher, right, And
Speaker 1: then who else you're going to rely on? You got armstrong? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and the same thing at corner? Who Who's
Speaker 1: who's the next guy? After the two that are here?
Speaker 1: There's no other corners not to mention? Pass next year,
Speaker 1: Cheeto's up. I believes you can look ahead that farther
Speaker 1: down if you want to as well. But don't you
Speaker 1: feel a little bit better from a financial standpoint? You
Speaker 1: might have a better chance to get Quinn resigned than
Speaker 1: Jones if he hits the market. Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He made seven point nine million last year on a
Speaker 1: one year deal. He's thirty years old, Okay, thirty years old.
Speaker 1: This is going to be his last contract. He ain't
Speaker 1: sitting there and going, oh yeah, whatever, my last big chance.
Speaker 1: I got to hit a home run. Eleven and a
Speaker 1: half sacks by the way, and I believe I've figured
Speaker 1: out that he and DeMarcus Lawrence over the last since
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen on have the same amount of sacks. So
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a He's got forty sacks in four years.
Speaker 1: He's got a selling point to go off of, including
Speaker 1: the fact that twenty nineteen was his best season since
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. Right now, calculated market values and this is
Speaker 1: based off of spottrack dot com. Robert Quinn's at eleven
Speaker 1: point eight million, Byron Jones at fourteen point two, So
Speaker 1: it's not a ton of difference there. Now, if you
Speaker 1: don't bring back Byron Jones, there's a bigger chance that
Speaker 1: you could get a Robert Quinn back and maybe even
Speaker 1: bring back a guy like Randall Cobb, who will be
Speaker 1: just under seven million potentially coming back to Dallas, if
Speaker 1: that's what Mike McCarthy and company wants. But brings up
Speaker 1: the conversation of these tags again, franchise tag, transition tag.
Speaker 1: If the Cowboys used both of these isn't there a
Speaker 1: chance and isn't there a clause that if the CBA
Speaker 1: does not get done within the next nine days, and
Speaker 1: it does get done right around that free agency period,
Speaker 1: can they revoke attack. I read that immediately that they
Speaker 1: could that they could rescind one. You know, he's right.
Speaker 1: That's why in so, what's today the third? Yes? Correct? Yeah,
Speaker 1: nine days, So you got fifteen days before free agency starts, right,
Speaker 1: Gotta get some guys signed. Yeah, get get the big
Speaker 1: ones signed, and then you could tag a Quinn or
Speaker 1: you could tag a Byron Jones if you want to
Speaker 1: keep them on a one year deal. But if you
Speaker 1: got four guys like that and you don't get any
Speaker 1: of them signed before the tag expires on the twelve,
Speaker 1: well you got you. That's why the priority has to
Speaker 1: be getting back to a long term deal because all
Speaker 1: of the rest of the dominos start to follow the exactly,
Speaker 1: and so the brain trust has to when you speak
Speaker 1: to the value of Quinn, obviously everybody knows what he's
Speaker 1: done in the year that he's been with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and you don't want to just let that production walk.
Speaker 1: If you're if you're evaluating players and so Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things. I'm sure that once he
Speaker 1: got the job, that's what he started doing. He I mean,
Speaker 1: because he didn't go to these guys directly. And how
Speaker 1: do you feel about being a cowboy? You know, he
Speaker 1: sits down and he looks at the at the tape
Speaker 1: and everybody knows that the eye and the sky don't lie.
Speaker 1: And Mike and Quinn has put that tape together to say, look,
Speaker 1: I am valued. And when you go back and I
Speaker 1: think the one thing about Byron Jones has been even
Speaker 1: with all his productivity, he didn't have the interceptions to
Speaker 1: go with it. And so if he's going to test
Speaker 1: the market and also test the market in the way
Speaker 1: where he's one of the top five paid cornerbacks, that
Speaker 1: I don't believe that just from just the way that
Speaker 1: you know, the brain Trust has been talking about him,
Speaker 1: I don't think that anyone values him as one of
Speaker 1: the top five guys. Well, he's a fast any free
Speaker 1: somebody else is gonna absolutely so, yeah, that must mean
Speaker 1: he's pretty good. Yeah, And if you watch the tech,
Speaker 1: I mean, he is by far the most consistent dB
Speaker 1: they've had by far. He doesn't some of some of
Speaker 1: his lack of takeaways or that he doesn't get thrown
Speaker 1: at a lot. Um, But if they don't have him,
Speaker 1: they don't have a consistent guy back there. I know
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan, the new defensive coordinator, emphasizes takeaways, and so
Speaker 1: that's interesting to me because Byron doesn't hasn't had them.
Speaker 1: But as a steady guy back there, you're you're not
Speaker 1: looking at the same type of depth chart him. Now
Speaker 1: you say they don't throw with him. Now, We've had
Speaker 1: guys in that played for the Cowboys like Dion Sanders
Speaker 1: that no one would dare throw at d Now is
Speaker 1: they're not throwing at Byron Jones because they're scared he's
Speaker 1: gonna take it to the house, or as the deficiency
Speaker 1: on the other side, that blaring that will take a
Speaker 1: chance by exposing this bigger weakness. They went after Cheetoh
Speaker 1: a lot last year, after him a lot last year. Um.
Speaker 1: But but I will say make to your point in
Speaker 1: techman's point, yes, you gotta try to try to get
Speaker 1: something done with Dak. I'm not sure how much movement
Speaker 1: they can get. Stephen Jones always says all it takes
Speaker 1: is a little bit of wiggle room in agreement and
Speaker 1: then they can start hammering something out and it gets
Speaker 1: done faster than you think. Dak Ra Amari try to
Speaker 1: get one done here in the next week or so.
Speaker 1: That's BOSSI crucial for that to be the case. And
Speaker 1: Byron Jones you mentioned of being an interesting free agent.
Speaker 1: It's also interesting to look at Cowboys first round picks
Speaker 1: over the past decade. Since two thousand and eight, there
Speaker 1: have been eleven first round picks. Only six of them
Speaker 1: have gone on at any point in their career to
Speaker 1: go play for other teams. Mike Jenkins, Felix Jones, Des Bryant,
Speaker 1: Morris Clayborne, Taco Charlton, and Byron Jones would be the six.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about Byron Jones and some of these other
Speaker 1: free agents that potentially could come back to Dallas coming
Speaker 1: up in our next segment, we're gonna go through what
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy said up in Indianapolis. We'll be back here
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Speaker 1: As we roll on In the segment number two, we
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about what Jerry had to say
Speaker 1: at the NFL combine in Indianapolis this past week. How
Speaker 1: about the head coach, mister Mike McCarthy. He had a
Speaker 1: press conference as well since the last filming of this podcast,
Speaker 1: and wanted to get your thoughts on this one. Some
Speaker 1: of the things that stuck out to you throughout the
Speaker 1: course of Mike McCarthy's press conference, Well, I will say this,
Speaker 1: he said something that gave me a Hollylujah moment, guys,
Speaker 1: and he said, if if the guy is good, is
Speaker 1: good at football, he can play for me. I like that.
Speaker 1: I finally we got a guy that is if he
Speaker 1: could play, he could play for me. I like the
Speaker 1: way that sound. And he's not looking for scheme guys,
Speaker 1: He's looking for football players. And that's that's That was
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that I took away from what he
Speaker 1: was saying, and also just being being a part of
Speaker 1: the whole drafting process and talking about giving complimenting Will
Speaker 1: McClay on his job, and obviously everyone's talking analytics and
Speaker 1: the job that the you know, the role that analytics
Speaker 1: plays and drafting. You know, he and Ted Thompson were
Speaker 1: not a matchmate in Heaven, So I think he's really
Speaker 1: happy about bidding in a situation like this where he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to take the heat for a good you know,
Speaker 1: for a bad draft pick, but actually get the praise
Speaker 1: when he makes a good one. See, I thought the
Speaker 1: thing that resonated to me when they were asking him
Speaker 1: about positions and who you want back, and he said,
Speaker 1: my first goal is try to get as many of
Speaker 1: the guys back as you can, meaning I'm not into
Speaker 1: looking at all these free agents. Because I think people thought, well,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett stymied efforts to go get other free agents.
Speaker 1: He wanted his own guys back. Well, that's what Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy wants, because you know who you have, you don't
Speaker 1: know who you might get. And so his goal was
Speaker 1: to try to resign him so that you know, we
Speaker 1: were talking about the cornerback. Anthony Brown's going to be cheap, right.
Speaker 1: He missed half the year, right, so I don't know
Speaker 1: what I don't know what his market value is, right,
Speaker 1: And he was a third corner that can be a starter,
Speaker 1: and he proved himself last year. So I think I
Speaker 1: think you know, they missed him, missed him a lot. Uh,
Speaker 1: And so maybe you can get him on a one
Speaker 1: year prove it deal and then at least you have
Speaker 1: something at that cornerback spot. If you can't get Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: and you leave Jordan Lewis where he belongs in the
Speaker 1: slot and not starting on the outside, so that you
Speaker 1: would have a placeholder there. And then you go into
Speaker 1: the draft and go, oh, one of these corners lands
Speaker 1: in my lap. Okay, I can take it now, and
Speaker 1: I can have competition. That was the other thing that
Speaker 1: McCarthy said, when if you're worried about UH draftings the
Speaker 1: best player and you've already got good players at that position,
Speaker 1: and he said, you can't have enough good football players.
Speaker 1: I want a competitive roster as you can possibly have.
Speaker 1: So say I don't know a wide receiver lands in
Speaker 1: your lap at seventeen, and you say, well, I don't
Speaker 1: need one. Well, okay, let's have one and let's have
Speaker 1: some competition out there. Yeah, and I know the value there.
Speaker 1: You guys know better than I do. But the value
Speaker 1: of wide receiver looks really good in this draft. In
Speaker 1: the draft, however, man, this defense needs a lot of help. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know, a lot of help. But what if that
Speaker 1: wide receiver is a ten times better player than the
Speaker 1: corner ben I agree with you, but that seems almost
Speaker 1: like a luxury pick. If you bring back Randall Cob well,
Speaker 1: and this is this is a debate we're actually going
Speaker 1: to have in the third segment as well, when we
Speaker 1: go back through and look through some of those guys
Speaker 1: specifically that weren't performing at the combine. But kind of
Speaker 1: going with wide receiver here along with saying Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: said he wants to have the best players in the building.
Speaker 1: He wants to have that, but he also said he
Speaker 1: wants a lot of these veteran guys too. And there's
Speaker 1: some veteran guys at the moment that are up in
Speaker 1: the air in terms of the Dallas Cowboys, Jason Wit
Speaker 1: and Randall Cobb and Sean Lemos notably, make me a
Speaker 1: case for any of those guys to be back on
Speaker 1: the roster. Sean Lee's a little bit of an easier case.
Speaker 1: But what about a Randall Cobb and a Jason Witten,
Speaker 1: both guys who were up in the air at the moment. Okay,
Speaker 1: so if Cobb's not there, who's your third receiver? Probably
Speaker 1: a drafted receiver. And what do drafted receivers do? Take
Speaker 1: a year to develop? And we watched Gallup get better
Speaker 1: to learn the slot. It takes some time. Well, and
Speaker 1: I see, they don't have anybody that's going to step
Speaker 1: into the slot right now. So now you're looking at
Speaker 1: in the first three rounds drafting a wide receiver. Well,
Speaker 1: there were a couple of guys this year that made
Speaker 1: some impact at wide receiver. Deebo Samuel for San Francisco.
Speaker 1: I went to the Super Bowl on Cowboys Rosco. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: rookie's wide receivers in g right, we'll go who else? Well,
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel is the first one. DK Metcalf from Seattle
Speaker 1: made some impacts as a rookie. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: guys out there that have done that. Not not the
Speaker 1: high percentage of them though, No, you're right. But when
Speaker 1: you say make a case for a guy Randall Cobb,
Speaker 1: obviously the numbers were not off the charts, but at
Speaker 1: the same time, the intangibles, the leadership quality, the ball
Speaker 1: to the if he fit right in on this team,
Speaker 1: and guys had nothing but high praise for Randall Cobb
Speaker 1: in his leadership ability. And then when you talk about
Speaker 1: a coach like his former coach coming in in the
Speaker 1: offensive system, we don't know. Look how this is gonna
Speaker 1: look as far as from a play calling standpoint, and
Speaker 1: so even from that, Randall Cobb is going to be
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna at least familiarize guys with what
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's system is going to be and will be
Speaker 1: on McCarthy's side. I think it's every new coach need
Speaker 1: somebody in the locker room that will be on the
Speaker 1: coach's side. If you look at things that have happened previously,
Speaker 1: you know, look at what Bill did when he first
Speaker 1: got here. Guys brought in a bunch of guys that
Speaker 1: were veteran guys in free agency because he wanted some
Speaker 1: of his guys in that locker room right saying, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy knows what he's doing, right, he needed to
Speaker 1: follow him. He took the words out of my mouth.
Speaker 1: And Joe Thomas could be another one too. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: guy that's aid for him, started games for him. That
Speaker 1: linebacker position so many question marks. When he's healthy, he's
Speaker 1: pretty good. And so that's the guy that could bring
Speaker 1: back to I think Cobb's an easy sell for what
Speaker 1: Mickey just said, when Heckman just said, I think he's
Speaker 1: an easy sell to come back if he wants to
Speaker 1: come back. If you know, we'll see if he wants
Speaker 1: to test the market. But that's the only coach he's
Speaker 1: ever had. And that's just why, that's why you can't
Speaker 1: sit there and say, Okay, Dak Prescott, here's forty million
Speaker 1: dollars a year. Because you need these guys, absolutely need
Speaker 1: Joe thomas Is on your team. You need Randall Cobbs
Speaker 1: on your team. You've got to have a team. You
Speaker 1: can't have four stars and then forty nine just other dudes, right,
Speaker 1: You got to have a team, and those guys are important.
Speaker 1: We didn't bring up MALIEK. Collins. Mallie Collins needs to
Speaker 1: come back because you don't have anybody else at that
Speaker 1: because now you may get it in the draft, but
Speaker 1: I don't know that. So you know, by time the
Speaker 1: draft ends or starts, free agency's basically over. Everybody's kind
Speaker 1: of picked over everything that they want and you're gonna
Speaker 1: have leftovers there. So you know who's your three technique
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. If you're in a four to three, if MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins and I think Jeff he's another guy, you could resign,
Speaker 1: try to resign him. And then if you want to
Speaker 1: bring in some competition at safety in the draft, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to do. That's an option too. But here's
Speaker 1: the other part that I wanted to say. When you
Speaker 1: look at the coach. Coach Jerry Jones spoke about this
Speaker 1: in his pressor that he was really impressed how Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy put the staff together. And when you look around
Speaker 1: the NFL and you talk about parcels bringing in his guys,
Speaker 1: you gotta know that even for coach Mike Nolan being
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, the free agents that they have and
Speaker 1: Tom Sula being in for the Redskins, the free agents
Speaker 1: that they have, guys that they can bring in and
Speaker 1: implement and be on their side. So there are a
Speaker 1: number of names that you know, like Miles Humphrey, Caleb Brantley.
Speaker 1: Even for Mike Nolan, man Tito, He's a household name.
Speaker 1: People know who he is. He's been pretty serviceable as
Speaker 1: a linebacker in New Orleans. But also I think a
Speaker 1: lot needs to be made about having Al Harris on
Speaker 1: this staff because he is a proven guy that guys,
Speaker 1: he has the reputation, but also the fact that he
Speaker 1: has probably just calapulted himself as a really good coach
Speaker 1: dB coach and I believe and I well, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that these guys will be receptive to him being someone
Speaker 1: that has proven himself and being in Kansas City. And
Speaker 1: I just want to bring this up. Maybe this is
Speaker 1: a name that no one has thought about. He's been
Speaker 1: tied to the Cowboys. But Eric Berry, guy that's been
Speaker 1: out of the league. You may know more about this
Speaker 1: than me. But at the same time, Eric Berry is
Speaker 1: a guy that's been out of the league, has been
Speaker 1: all wealth. You know, fault cancer, had some injuries to
Speaker 1: his achilles, but still he's still out there on the
Speaker 1: market and still young enough that he has should have
Speaker 1: some juice in there in the tank. He's got a
Speaker 1: great story fighting back from kancer. I know they brought
Speaker 1: him in for a visit and a physical and the
Speaker 1: health thing, the medical because he's beyond what he dealt
Speaker 1: with off the field with the cancer issue. He's had
Speaker 1: so many injuries to make that I was a cursory visit,
Speaker 1: like a look, see, they just did a favor. I think, well,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys are bringing a man boy, you better
Speaker 1: watch old. They're going to sign him, or did a
Speaker 1: favor to his agent. He's he's not young, isn't he
Speaker 1: like thirty? I think he's in his third low thirties,
Speaker 1: and he's had injury history. But Eric, I mean Eric
Speaker 1: Weddle just just retired at thirty five and he was
Speaker 1: still playing at the top level. But he hadn't been
Speaker 1: fighting injuries the way this guy's been fighting. But still,
Speaker 1: I mean, even being in the situation where we have
Speaker 1: to we have holes to feel right, Yes, and so
Speaker 1: how much does he want to play for? Well, that's
Speaker 1: still a question mark. That probably wasn't a whole lot that. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know when you're there when when when you're
Speaker 1: close to retiring, money keeps you playing right, So let's
Speaker 1: just say glass halfl that he wants to get back
Speaker 1: in the NFL and he has something in his tank
Speaker 1: that that we could use. Can he still play? We're
Speaker 1: gonna find out here pretty soon. Well I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't such a risk though I only got so many
Speaker 1: salary cap dollars and they can't be taken chances. I
Speaker 1: think if they had interest, they would have done it
Speaker 1: last year and they brought him in and they didn't
Speaker 1: do it. But there's no question safety. They need to
Speaker 1: do something to cover themselves because it's an option in
Speaker 1: the draft. But you don't want to. You know, they
Speaker 1: try to fill as many holes as they can so
Speaker 1: they're not reaching when they get there. That's what they
Speaker 1: always try to do. But mick back to something you
Speaker 1: said earlier about Jason. I don't think people feel like
Speaker 1: Garrett hamstrung them in free agency. This is a Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones in a front office decision that they try to
Speaker 1: bring back their guys because they don't. They feel like
Speaker 1: what's out there is out there for a reason, and
Speaker 1: they have a better knowledge of their own guys and
Speaker 1: trust in their own guy. But you know what the
Speaker 1: fan reaction is the free agency. The Cowboys aren't doing
Speaker 1: anything even though they resigned their own guys. It's like
Speaker 1: they didn't do anything, Like what did you do to
Speaker 1: get better? They should go get somebody else. They got
Speaker 1: their own guys. They wait till the second wave, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But that and I think people are thinking, okay, on
Speaker 1: a new head coach, that's gonna change. Well, no, what
Speaker 1: he's said now with twenty five year old want as
Speaker 1: many as my own guys back. Yeah, they need to.
Speaker 1: They've got to fill out. To Kyle's point, they got
Speaker 1: to fill out a roster. You gotta build a team,
Speaker 1: you gotta have bodies in the building. Yeah, well, the defense,
Speaker 1: the defenses, there's so much turnover there. And when you
Speaker 1: talk about free agency and the guys that we haven't
Speaker 1: signed like a honey Badger. Okay. And so I'm not,
Speaker 1: you know, promoting one guy over another. I just know
Speaker 1: that we have to fill it in holes. Because let's
Speaker 1: say Jeff he has value for another team, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: because he is a serviceable, serviceable veteran that has proven
Speaker 1: himself and the Cowboys can't bring him back. Same with
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown. What if there's a market for him and
Speaker 1: we just can't say, oh, he's gonna come back to
Speaker 1: us at some point. With the free agents that we
Speaker 1: have on defense, this thing may completely look like a
Speaker 1: different whole cast of characters. Yeah, if you can't afford
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown back, then you got problems. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: little bit of an issue. Right if they say, if
Speaker 1: some teams paying Anthony Brown so much money that you
Speaker 1: can't afford it, then what am I getting that's next?
Speaker 1: Behind Anthony Brown? You know, I mean I think he's
Speaker 1: a good player. He's not great, but he's good. A
Speaker 1: market for him, but well, then what I'm saying though, then,
Speaker 1: just like there was a market for Anthony Hitchins going
Speaker 1: somewhere else, rightly Wilson, But then who do you get
Speaker 1: behind Anthony Hitchins. Whatever you're going to sign, somebody else's
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be as good as Anthony Hitchins. Might not
Speaker 1: be as good as Anthony Brown if somebody valued him
Speaker 1: at that amount of money. So instead of Anthony Hitchins,
Speaker 1: you had Joe Thomas exactly. Yeah, I think Joe's a player, right,
Speaker 1: but it's not as good. So what I'm saying is, yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to go out there and it's just
Speaker 1: you know, can you resign Darren Thompson? You know, he
Speaker 1: was a serviceable backup at safety, can play special teams
Speaker 1: and and that's definitely what we're gonna need, a special
Speaker 1: teams bodies. Yep. Yeah. A couple of guys in that
Speaker 1: that realm and you you kind of brickers, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: under a kicker. The both were throwing bath on the streets.
Speaker 1: Snappers didn't think. So he's a free agent, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to spend money to sign him to get
Speaker 1: him back, and who knows, well how they evaluate him,
Speaker 1: you know, they may think, because now you got a
Speaker 1: new special teams coach, what does he value and a
Speaker 1: kicker Chris Jones? Is he healthy? You know he's got
Speaker 1: to come back from a back injury from a sports hernia. Uh,
Speaker 1: neither one of him. He didn't have surgery. So now okay,
Speaker 1: well is he all right? Is that what you know
Speaker 1: Fossil wants? Or does he want a different type of punter?
Speaker 1: Does he like the deep snapper or do you have
Speaker 1: to go out and get a different deep snapper? You know,
Speaker 1: that whole operation could look different when you think about
Speaker 1: the kicker last year for the Rams, Greg's Airline. He's
Speaker 1: a free agent as well, one of the better kickers
Speaker 1: in the league. Yea, but he didn't have a good year.
Speaker 1: He didn't have a good year. Nick doesn't like anybody
Speaker 1: is of the opinion if you're out there, there's a
Speaker 1: reason why you're out there, and it's a certain degree
Speaker 1: that's true. But Ruscott's not going to be out there right, No,
Speaker 1: you're gonna make it sure. Yeah, And so you know
Speaker 1: for for Zerline, I was told he just didn't have
Speaker 1: a very good year. And remember Fossil had him right,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, But how many kickers around the league did
Speaker 1: have good years. That was the reason why they couldn't
Speaker 1: find a guy, And that's why they hung on to
Speaker 1: Maher as long as they did well, because you know
Speaker 1: now they didn't do it quick enough. They should have.
Speaker 1: They should have they found they found a guy that
Speaker 1: made every kick between forty and forty nine yards. To me,
Speaker 1: that's what we need. I'd bring him back on the competition. Okay,
Speaker 1: great that I had a sixty three yard but the
Speaker 1: guy couldn't. He only made one of nine kicks between
Speaker 1: forty and forty nine. When you also got to think
Speaker 1: about the timing of when they tried to go out
Speaker 1: and get a kicker. There nobody on the market except
Speaker 1: for Kai four bath, and they brought in Kai four bath.
Speaker 1: It was that or Nick Rose, the former Highland Park product,
Speaker 1: and there was really nobody to go with there. Well,
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why they hung on to
Speaker 1: Brett Maher. It's a completely different list of kickers available.
Speaker 1: The guy with the running gaids ain't bad. He knew
Speaker 1: his name. He makes his kicks. I think it's mcguinnis.
Speaker 1: You've been doing some scouting over there. I went to
Speaker 1: the game Sunday. Yeah, yeah, Douglas and I went to
Speaker 1: the game fifty yard line, eighteen rows up. Were you
Speaker 1: on the far side where it's like basically left field
Speaker 1: when the Rangers played there? Are you on the other side,
Speaker 1: stands side, but they have far side, They've got portable bleachers,
Speaker 1: so you're right there on the sideline. It was good, interesting,
Speaker 1: except for the quarterback had a couple issues there. Couple yeah,
Speaker 1: multiple three interceptions in the first quarter and then a
Speaker 1: fumble that was recovered for a touchdown. So we're not
Speaker 1: looking at Landry Jones as the backup quarterback this year.
Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to be happening. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be the ultimate fan. In the fourth quarter when he
Speaker 1: was still struggling and he wouldn't throw the ball down
Speaker 1: the field, I told Douglas we should start channing. We
Speaker 1: want Phillips. Wow, I mean that's what a fan would do, right.
Speaker 1: You didn't bring in the backup? Yeah? Oh man talking
Speaker 1: renegades here on Tuesday after Hey, you know what, they
Speaker 1: had eighteen thousand, three hundred and thirty two, So without
Speaker 1: Douglas it would have been three hundred and thirty it is,
Speaker 1: so we made it thirty two. Good for you contributing.
Speaker 1: We even stood up when the ball got down to
Speaker 1: the two yard line with a minute to go and
Speaker 1: they were down seven. Then they picked it off. It
Speaker 1: was a and here I could be I could be
Speaker 1: the come on, why didn't you hand the ball off?
Speaker 1: You were two yards away and you had two timeout.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a that's a big sign that I need
Speaker 1: to move on to. Tried to throw a smokescreen and
Speaker 1: it goes off the guy's hands and the linebacker makes
Speaker 1: a diving interception two inches off the ground. It was
Speaker 1: a magnificent play, but it was heartbreaking for Renegades fans
Speaker 1: out there. But that's it for talking XFL in terms
Speaker 1: of talking Cowboys today. But there are some other guys
Speaker 1: that are not in the NFL yet that made some
Speaker 1: noises past week because there was an NFL combine and
Speaker 1: there were some drills that were run. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: the NFL combines, dive into who the Cowboys could look
Speaker 1: at at seventeen and maybe fill some of these holes
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Speaker 1: and this time talk about non cowboys who were in
Speaker 1: the spotlight. Of course, drills running Thursday through Sunday. Things
Speaker 1: started off with the wide receivers quarterbacks and tight ends
Speaker 1: on that Thursday and worked their way through the position
Speaker 1: groups as the weekend went along. But that Thursday was
Speaker 1: an opportunity to look at a couple of guys who
Speaker 1: had had the spotlight on them throughout the course of
Speaker 1: the draft process. Of course, you can listen to the
Speaker 1: draft show on Thursdays here, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: get too far into specifics of these players. But positional wise,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have those needs on defense that we talked
Speaker 1: about in the last segment. They have plenty of ways
Speaker 1: they could go, whether it's secondary defensive line. But man,
Speaker 1: this wide receiver class is highly intriguing. Can the Cowboys
Speaker 1: justify taking a first round pick and using it on
Speaker 1: a wide out if he's better than anything else left there?
Speaker 1: You think, best player available? No matter what you think,
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen for the first time? And how long? Here? Oh?
Speaker 1: The best player available discussion? The VPA to me, BPA
Speaker 1: is always got an asterisk next to it. It has
Speaker 1: to You can't just operate solely on that. That being said,
Speaker 1: the value, if the value is there, the value is there.
Speaker 1: I saw Daniel Jeremiah's post combine mock and I think
Speaker 1: he mocked Judy. He did from Alabama to the Cowboys seventeen,
Speaker 1: and his reasoning was, assuming Amari Cooper's gone. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't think you can assume that at all. They're gonna
Speaker 1: try to deal done with him. But if that were
Speaker 1: to happen, then yeah, I would. I'm all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now my eyes shift a wide receiver and I'm on
Speaker 1: board with it. Okay, So it would have to be
Speaker 1: a generationally changing wide receiver. He'd have to be Megatron.
Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna he's gonna transcend the game. That's
Speaker 1: the only way I see the Cowboys doing that. I know,
Speaker 1: best player available is the Mantra. But still, I mean,
Speaker 1: you have we've talked about the needs that you have
Speaker 1: on defense, and there are enough guys standing there looking
Speaker 1: you in the face. And look, look, I watched the
Speaker 1: draft with no preconceived notions. He's just looking for the
Speaker 1: best guys and saying, you know what, guys are going
Speaker 1: to be off the charts guys. That got me my attention.
Speaker 1: Denzel Mims from Baylor. I thought his numbers were amazing.
Speaker 1: What he four three forty bench press, vertical broad jump,
Speaker 1: all of those were great, but you know you Isaiah Simmons.
Speaker 1: That was another guy, the kid from Clemson. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: this world athlete ye six six four two thirty eight amazing.
Speaker 1: He'll be gone by number five, yeah, if not earlier.
Speaker 1: That's the thing with him is the way that he
Speaker 1: performed in the combine. They just locked up the fact
Speaker 1: that he's not going to be eating anywhere close to seventeen.
Speaker 1: And Denzel Mims is a guy you could get laid.
Speaker 1: So if we go back to last year and Rob
Speaker 1: knows this and they got t heard of me hearing it,
Speaker 1: guy lasting to the second round, Deebo Samuel, It's like, well,
Speaker 1: we don't need Deebo Samuel. Well, yeah, you do in
Speaker 1: the second round, and he proved it. I thought about
Speaker 1: you watching him in the playoffs every time I saw
Speaker 1: make a players mixed guy six my man debo. I
Speaker 1: watched him whip Missouri three years in a row. I
Speaker 1: didn't need to see anything else. Just turn the combine.
Speaker 1: I don't care about the Pro Day. This guy could
Speaker 1: play football and he would do something for you, even
Speaker 1: if it was just returning kicks. And it was Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb that was mocked to the Cowboys in DJ's bladist
Speaker 1: man and his stock has gone up Ceedee Lamb. I
Speaker 1: mean not that he came in, you know, undervalued or
Speaker 1: people didn't think that he would be a baller, but
Speaker 1: still I mean Ceedee Lamb to me is you know
Speaker 1: all of these guys that were talking about top fifteen,
Speaker 1: they all have the tape to match it, right, This
Speaker 1: is not just an anomaly. They show it up that
Speaker 1: the numbers and now all of a sudden, you know
Speaker 1: these guys are Tony Mandridge of the draft. It's not
Speaker 1: like that. But even when I look at Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that he went. You know, the guys
Speaker 1: that he faced in the Big twelve were not potential
Speaker 1: Thorpe Award winners. And so I mean not to take
Speaker 1: that anything away from him, but when I look at
Speaker 1: guys like Judy and even rugs Us, just the competition level,
Speaker 1: there is something that I'm more adamant about by looking
Speaker 1: at it and saying, look this guy, he competed at
Speaker 1: the highest level. Mickey, do you have a guy in
Speaker 1: the Shoe's draft yet, Ceedee Lamb. You think it is
Speaker 1: CD Lamb there it is just throw stuff. I think
Speaker 1: the guy can play. He can't play. I don't think
Speaker 1: you can play. I don't care who covers him. They
Speaker 1: can't catch him. And he can catch everything in different positions.
Speaker 1: And he can play inside, he can play outside, he
Speaker 1: can be physical, he can be Deebo. Samuel Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: certainly wants him. Of course he does. Yeah, right, he
Speaker 1: needs them. Yeah, well he needs those yeah absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course. I mean but even if you get so
Speaker 1: so Mick not My point was going to be, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm at seventeen and the next two best players are
Speaker 1: Cede Lamb or some safety. Yes, you're taking the CD Lamb.
Speaker 1: How much is he playing as a rookie? How much
Speaker 1: is the safety going to affect the game? He might
Speaker 1: start because gees it's a different defense now he might start.
Speaker 1: It might be a different he's going to change the defense.
Speaker 1: But you got a Mari, you have Gallop. I think
Speaker 1: I have a ma Let's just say you have a
Speaker 1: mar okay, and I got Gallup? And did I get
Speaker 1: cop you get cop to Wow, you didn't. Well you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. If you got both those said,
Speaker 1: he wants competitions, Okay, okay, okay, So that's my point
Speaker 1: if they're all back, you can't do it. You can't.
Speaker 1: I can't think you can do it a value pick.
Speaker 1: And maybe my opinion is is Jay did buy the
Speaker 1: number of unrestricted free agents I see on defense right now.
Speaker 1: That'll change, They'll get some of these guys back. I
Speaker 1: get that they'll add some guys before the draft. But
Speaker 1: if I'm thinking about what hurt this team the most,
Speaker 1: the most inconsistent portion of the team last year, it
Speaker 1: was the defensive side of the ball. I understand they
Speaker 1: need playmakers. I understand, so you better try to find
Speaker 1: one as early as you can. And am I going
Speaker 1: to find a defensive tackle or defensive end? Ye at seventeen?
Speaker 1: You could lack either way. Yeah, I mean we're just
Speaker 1: talking about it. Is there's epiness. Is there a guy
Speaker 1: that can play the five? A guy that could be
Speaker 1: and we think that right? But what if they're not?
Speaker 1: It's true, that's the post as possible. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: kind of what it is. It's a big mystery box,
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, do you want the mystery boxer?
Speaker 1: Do you want what you had previously? The mystery box
Speaker 1: could turn into be something extremely special, whereas if it's not,
Speaker 1: then you're kind of stuck in a hole there. Well
Speaker 1: that's why am I looked at something dream special ceedee
Speaker 1: lamb oh lamb And so you put him in the slot.
Speaker 1: There is that where you're for a guy like that,
Speaker 1: you would Okay, I'll tell you what. I was watching
Speaker 1: the draft and watching these wide receivers run. Everyone is
Speaker 1: four three four four head burners, and you know, Michael,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know this guy's I mean they're blazing,
Speaker 1: and Michael Irvin just kind of kind of positive, you know,
Speaker 1: just brings up He's like, you know what, there are
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys with gold jackets that ran a
Speaker 1: four three four four. You know I didn't hear that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah he said it. Yeah, And I mean he brings
Speaker 1: up a good point. I mean that's leaving out bullet
Speaker 1: Bob Hayes and also Randy Moss who ran sub uh
Speaker 1: and they weren't even clocking when bullet Bob was was
Speaker 1: was in the league. But you just got to know
Speaker 1: that he ran a four two easily. Well all I
Speaker 1: know is he ran a ten whatever he want. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so either way, I mean, so all of those things
Speaker 1: and as excited as as we are getting about the
Speaker 1: wide receivers. There's a lot of it goes into can
Speaker 1: a guy fit a system and he's gonna is he
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy that's not a one trick pony
Speaker 1: because of his speed. But also at the wide receiver,
Speaker 1: anyone that we get in those third and fourth rounds,
Speaker 1: even these guys that have to they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: play special teams as well, and with all the deficiencies
Speaker 1: that you have. If I don't see Ceedee Lamb playing
Speaker 1: special teams. Now, if we lose some of those top,
Speaker 1: you know, top tier guys, then yeah, maybe that'll make sense.
Speaker 1: But as deep as this wide receiver classes, you can
Speaker 1: get more for less, and even with that, you could
Speaker 1: trade back if somebody wants that, you know, and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at proven in their history, says that they're willing
Speaker 1: to do that, especially if they don't want to, you know,
Speaker 1: reach on a guy. Well, and with wide receiver being
Speaker 1: a topic of conversation, it also leads us to look
Speaker 1: at tight end as well. If Jason Witten's not returning
Speaker 1: as Blake Jarwin and uh, I'm blanking on Sholts, but
Speaker 1: those two guys are those gonna beat your tight ends
Speaker 1: moving forward, or do you want to look at some
Speaker 1: guys that were impressive and athletic. I mean, hey, Missouri's
Speaker 1: Golberto oham Is I guess how you say his name,
Speaker 1: que Bonham or whatever. Alberto Alberto went up and went
Speaker 1: four four nine in the forty, which is really impression.
Speaker 1: Some of the better tight ends you talk about some
Speaker 1: of the lack of success for wide receivers running good forties.
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey had a four to five and I think
Speaker 1: George Kittle had right under a four to six in
Speaker 1: terms of his forties as well. So there's some fast
Speaker 1: tight ends out there, And is that somebody something that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys should look for moving forward? Well, they need
Speaker 1: another tight end. Yeah, I believe they would have drafted
Speaker 1: one high if Witten hadn't come back last year, I think,
Speaker 1: and from what I was told last high pretty early
Speaker 1: in the draft, I mean, I think they would have
Speaker 1: They probably would have need to day, yeah, potentially if
Speaker 1: it were there, value was there, But having Witten back
Speaker 1: last year allowed them to kick the can down the
Speaker 1: road a little bit, get a better look at Jarwin,
Speaker 1: and they do love Jarwin and he's going to be
Speaker 1: part of their plans going forward. I think that's a
Speaker 1: position maybe where you can cover yourself in free agency too.
Speaker 1: Maybe you go, if Witten's back, you go try to
Speaker 1: find another veteran to help you out. He run, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a guy, let's play. He brought that up a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, that one. But you got to open
Speaker 1: up some more snaps. Why didn't you show me not
Speaker 1: to bring up Noah Brown I've been We'll talk about
Speaker 1: that later. But Chase Claypool from Notre Dame. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he's listened as a wide receiver, but he could
Speaker 1: fit in a tight end. And he's a guy that
Speaker 1: really reminds me of Jamichael Finley, a guy that played
Speaker 1: for Green Bay went round. I mean, he's probably a
Speaker 1: third round, fourth rown guy. Maybe there. You're okay with that.
Speaker 1: We need somebody that can block. Also, by the way
Speaker 1: you do, he's physical, growin can do what those guys do. Now,
Speaker 1: do you have somebody that can do Darwin can block?
Speaker 1: I don't know that you look at him as a
Speaker 1: full time blocker, Okay, but but I don't think he
Speaker 1: can't feel Oh gosh, does run those Witten routes. That's
Speaker 1: what he wants don't. You don't you daydreaming in the
Speaker 1: shower about this up. I love Dez? Yeah, you want, though,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'd be surprised. I'd have to see them
Speaker 1: make that decision to bring him back. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: He's not a tight end. He's not a block tight end.
Speaker 1: That's not That's never been his role. I don't see
Speaker 1: that role changing now. Um. Yeah, And Dez's numbers his
Speaker 1: last year here in Dallas was familiar with what Randall
Speaker 1: Cobb did last year, and so those numbers are equal.
Speaker 1: So I don't. I think you already have that on
Speaker 1: your roster, so you don't have to reach on something
Speaker 1: like that. And again, if Dez is on the roster,
Speaker 1: he has to play special teams as well. That's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen because we have so many holes to feel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one of the big questions that Jerry has asked
Speaker 1: this year throughout the draft processes. Hey, does he played
Speaker 1: special teams? That's what I think one of the big
Speaker 1: priorities for the scouting and coaching staff is looking at
Speaker 1: a guy if they're going to pick him, if he's
Speaker 1: an offensive player, does he does he return kicks? Is
Speaker 1: he good at that, has he done it before and
Speaker 1: has he been successful? But talking about Dez Bryant, I mean,
Speaker 1: you mentioned it and you alluded to it a minute ago.
Speaker 1: The comment that Jerry made in Indianapolis was I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about it a lot, but he hasn't also talked
Speaker 1: to Des Bryant. Do you hold any kind of candle
Speaker 1: to that, saying maybe that's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: just a toss throwing potatoes at the wall, trying to
Speaker 1: get it the stick Dez Bryan Bryan Jerry's comment about it,
Speaker 1: but a little bit of both was was Jerry just
Speaker 1: blowing smoke to the media saying we're looking and interested
Speaker 1: at maybe bringing back Des Brian or something that's legitimate.
Speaker 1: I don't think he said it that way, though he
Speaker 1: said he'd been thinking about it. He said he'd been
Speaker 1: thinking about it in the shower. He did say that,
Speaker 1: not at his Jack Black dot com, not at his desk, right, correct,
Speaker 1: big difference, which was my point when I said earlier,
Speaker 1: don't we all daydream in the shower? Oh if des
Speaker 1: could come back and be the Dez Bryant, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be great. I don't think he's thinking that
Speaker 1: and I think that's disrespect to Daz in the job
Speaker 1: that he's done while you know, being a cowboy. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: no one loves Daz more than me. It's first four years.
Speaker 1: I mean, Daz is probably is as explosive as a
Speaker 1: receiver we've seen in the NFL, just making a splash,
Speaker 1: tremendous career. Yeah, and so it just didn't end well.
Speaker 1: And then and even talking to Mike McCarthy or no,
Speaker 1: when when Jay was saying about how contentiously how it ended,
Speaker 1: you know, and how Daz was, you know, not happy
Speaker 1: with the leadership here going out that, you know and
Speaker 1: really giving him a clean slate and saying, hey, I
Speaker 1: forgive him for that. You know. I think it was
Speaker 1: just more of a play to the media about Daz
Speaker 1: because there's so many other holes that need to be filled,
Speaker 1: and there's so many wide receivers in this draft. Would
Speaker 1: be a different thing if that, if this was a
Speaker 1: talentless draft pool. Yeah, and you look at the positions
Speaker 1: of need when it comes to tight end wide receiver,
Speaker 1: they're kind of on that backburn or at least from
Speaker 1: the outside looking in at this very moment, defense is
Speaker 1: the priority. But what about backup quarterback too. I mean
Speaker 1: there were some quarterbacks that went out and threw the
Speaker 1: ball pretty well out in Indie. Is Cooper rushed this
Speaker 1: guy moving forward to be the backup quarterback of the Cowboy.
Speaker 1: You know, a guy. If I can get a guy
Speaker 1: in the fifth, sixth, seventh round, I got no problems
Speaker 1: bringing him in. I think you bring Rush back. I
Speaker 1: think they will, But yeah, they could bring in some competition.
Speaker 1: He restricted. Yeah, they'll just get all tender him and
Speaker 1: tender that's the original draft choice, which is nothing yep,
Speaker 1: which means it's the lowest restricted tender, and if somebody
Speaker 1: else signs him to an offer sheet, you don't get
Speaker 1: anything back. But yeah, I think they want him back.
Speaker 1: They've they've they've spent time developing him. So but you
Speaker 1: can bring in a third quarterback. The only other guy
Speaker 1: is Clayton Thorson, who's out there working out by the
Speaker 1: way to day. Yeah, he was out there on the field.
Speaker 1: But you talk about them developing a guy, this is
Speaker 1: completely different coaching staff. Is Mike McCarthy going to feel
Speaker 1: the same way, Well, if they offer him a restricted
Speaker 1: a tender, they must, Yeah, right, it's a good way
Speaker 1: to to take up a cheap roster roster spot kind
Speaker 1: of what you're saying, take him to camp season and
Speaker 1: let him compete with whoever else they bring in. Because
Speaker 1: even if you drafted, well, I mean, how high do
Speaker 1: you want to draft a quarterback, they would have to
Speaker 1: be late, like you said, day three And so yeah,
Speaker 1: is that guy gonna be so good that you're gonna
Speaker 1: say if Dak Prescott goes down in the first game,
Speaker 1: he's my guy? Probably not. It's why Cooper rushing here
Speaker 1: and that guy would be Are you confident saying that
Speaker 1: about Cooper rush? Though? Well, unless there's a veteran out
Speaker 1: there that I want to go get, And I'd be
Speaker 1: interesting to see if maybe they McCarthy would prefer that
Speaker 1: because they've gone the younger route. They tried Castle, and
Speaker 1: they tried Weedon and they tried those guys and none
Speaker 1: of that worked. None that worked, and so they've been
Speaker 1: trying the developmental route. So maybe that changes. Maybe Mike's
Speaker 1: more comfortable with a veteran guy too. See, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of quarterback movement here in the next
Speaker 1: couple of weeks of it, and there might be somebody
Speaker 1: without a chair to sit when the music stops. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about Dak Dak being so durable
Speaker 1: and not missing the game so far, he's given, you know,
Speaker 1: giving us that luxury to say, you know when not
Speaker 1: as concerned about the backup quarterback and say some other franchises.
Speaker 1: But at some point you get stuck with your hand
Speaker 1: in the cookie jar. And so with developing this guy,
Speaker 1: you can't just give up on something that you've been
Speaker 1: spending a whole heck of a lot of time trying
Speaker 1: to develop. And so the only time we've ever gotten
Speaker 1: a chance to see him play was in the preseason, right,
Speaker 1: and so we don't know a whole lot about him.
Speaker 1: But at this point we just we gotta believe that
Speaker 1: he knows a playbook and he's at least serviceable at
Speaker 1: this point if he needs to come in for some
Speaker 1: nine one one time. Yeah, you never know, one of
Speaker 1: those veterans could be sitting there and they go, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll take a one year deal just to kind of
Speaker 1: keep my name in the game. Somebody's gonna not have
Speaker 1: a job. Yeah, But it's gonna depend on price, because
Speaker 1: when you're paying Dak, whatever you're gonna pay him, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot. You can't there's certain luxury depth positions.
Speaker 1: You can't spend the same type of money that you
Speaker 1: normally spend. Well, if he's still sitting there April first,
Speaker 1: in coun have cost you nothing, that's fair. I mean,
Speaker 1: with the guy's gonna look up and go, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't have a job, and now the draft's happening. Oh,
Speaker 1: sign me, please, somebody, somebody picked me. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: got nine days until the deadline for the tags March eighteenth,
Speaker 1: to start in the new league year April sixth. New
Speaker 1: coaches can have their offseason workouts in the April twenty
Speaker 1: third is the start of the draft. So plenty going
Speaker 1: on over the next couple of weeks throughout the off season.
Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it today. Here for Talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 1: for Mickey Spagnola. I'm Kyle Yomans. Thanks for watching. We'll
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