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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four eleven,

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Speaker 1: and today in the show, I am joined by Ben

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Speaker 1: Rising in Ohio, white tail bow hunting addict, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be running him through a series of hypothetical and

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Speaker 1: challenging deer hunting situations to figure out exactly what he

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Speaker 1: would do. All right, Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by on X. Today, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: Ben Rising. He's the founder and host of the White

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Speaker 1: Tail Edge hunting series that you can find on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: and he was also a longtime member of the Jury

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Speaker 1: Outdoors team previous to that. He's one of the most

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Speaker 1: well known and most consistent deer hunters in the country

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Speaker 1: with a specific focus on hunting the biggest, oldest bucks,

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Speaker 1: and he's doing that at a remarkable rate. So if

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Speaker 1: if you're in that part of your hunting journey where

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Speaker 1: you want to level up your chances that that kind

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Speaker 1: of deer, Ben is definitely a guy you can learn from.

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Speaker 1: And for this one I'm jumping back into the what

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Speaker 1: would you Do? Series that I kicked off last year.

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Speaker 1: The basic gist of that, if you miss those earlier episodes,

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Speaker 1: was that I am going to pull together a series

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Speaker 1: of different hypothetical deer hunting situations and run these past

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Speaker 1: Men and then have him break down exactly you know,

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Speaker 1: what he would do in those circumstances, how he would

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Speaker 1: do it, why he would do these things, and really

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Speaker 1: trying to get a different angle on how Ben thinks

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Speaker 1: about deer hunting and how he would approach deer hunting,

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Speaker 1: you know, issues and challenges and situations, so that maybe

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Speaker 1: for us listening, we can learn a little bit more

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Speaker 1: or learn in a different kind of way that becomes

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Speaker 1: more actionable for us when we're actually out there in

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Speaker 1: the field. So that's the game plan. It's a great conversation.

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Speaker 1: I think you will be able to learn some things

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Speaker 1: from Ben, and I'm excited for you to be able

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Speaker 1: to listen. So, uh, you know, without further ado, I'd say,

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Speaker 1: let's just get right into it. Here's my chat with

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Speaker 1: Ben Rising all right now with me on the line,

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Speaker 1: returning for a second appearance since I think it was

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Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen. Ben, I think that's what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: We got Ben Rising. Welcome back to the show. Ben, Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me Mark if you were the first

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Speaker 1: guy I ever did a podcast with. Man, I uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm honored, and I'm I'm honored that you're back, that

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Speaker 1: you were willing to come back onto the show, and uh, Man,

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Speaker 1: it's a pleasure. It's it's been something that over the years,

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Speaker 1: I've of course followed your hunting exploits all over the

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Speaker 1: country and and you're just one of the most consistent

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Speaker 1: guys out there that knows how to get the job

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Speaker 1: done when it comes to deer hunting and target big

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Speaker 1: mature bucks. So it's it's always something that our audience

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Speaker 1: is going to be excited about. So so thank you, Ben,

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Speaker 1: And I wanna I wanna propose something to you. This idea,

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Speaker 1: which is something that I've done with a handful of

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Speaker 1: other really consistent, really great deer hunters, which is have

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Speaker 1: a conversation today that's kind of framed around a series

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Speaker 1: of different situations at you. I'll kind of paint a

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Speaker 1: picture and then I'm gonna just ask you to walk

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Speaker 1: this was happening to you, What would you do, how

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Speaker 1: would you think through it? Why would you do certain things? Um?

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Speaker 1: And then we'll just kind of play through a bunch

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Speaker 1: But uh, that's what I'm hoping to do. Does that

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Speaker 1: sound Does that sound good? Yeah? Perfect, man. It sounds

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Speaker 1: You know, It's just a lot of the podcast I

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Speaker 1: have listened to. It's just the same thing about scouting

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Speaker 1: that's exactly my thoughts. We gotta keep people on their toes, right,

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Speaker 1: So so here's here's where I want to start. Then

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Speaker 1: What would you tell yourself future Ben in mid November

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Speaker 1: when you're having your heartest season and years, don't pass

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Speaker 1: the deer I passed. It's that easy. Yeah, well, not necessarily.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I ate a tag in Illinois this

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Speaker 1: that's because I passed a really good, dear, solid, big

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. I'm not a guy that's

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Speaker 1: I'm not that guy. I'll eat my tag and talk

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Speaker 1: But but here's my question, what just say, you know,

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Speaker 1: And you know, just I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 1: Keep study to the course, keep doing what you know

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Speaker 1: you know, so I can't trail cameras have changed hunting forever.

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Speaker 1: not my living, you know, And so I have to

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Speaker 1: And so I'm big about how having that most recent information, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And there's a quote I think this was on so

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Speaker 1: maybe share this on Instagram. You said, I'm just different,

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Speaker 1: I think different and this start This is a quote

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Speaker 1: up and get a drink, take a dump, and head

428
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: to his fields, you know, or wherever he wants to eat.

429
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: And you know that's I just feel you're better off

430
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: to catch them them because you're not walking in bumping

431
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: them out of their beds. You know, you're hunting an

432
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: edge typically somewhere or staging area for I'm up betting

433
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: to a food source like on an acorn flat, or

434
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: you know a little patch of grass or something that's

435
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: close to a thicket that they're they're walking through to

436
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,479
Speaker 1: get to a bean field or something. So I just

437
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: feel the early morning stuff too early in the season

438
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: before they really start, you know, feeling their oaths is

439
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: just really telling them, hey, I'm gonna hunt you, and

440
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys. I hear the story

441
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 1: all the time being he was there early, but all

442
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: year he was there and then early and then now

443
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,719
Speaker 1: he's gone. I don't know what's going on. I mean,

444
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: I've hunted him a lot. I just never see him

445
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: well while you're not seeing him beause you're hunting him

446
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: a lot. Mean, I hate to say it like that.

447
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: It sounds like a smarty pant because you know, we

448
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: all want to hunt, you know, and I don't want

449
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: to tell young guys or whatever they're like, hey, don't

450
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: hunt at all, you know, don't have fun because it's

451
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: all about killing big deer. But you know, maybe try

452
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: to Just if you're on a big deer and you

453
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: really want to kill a big deer, maybe hunt somewhere

454
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: else for some dough so you can get your hunt

455
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: time in and get the get the edge off, you know,

456
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: somewhere else where it's not going to mess up the

457
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: deer you're really trying to kill. Yeah, I've always thought

458
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: that was a good way to go about it. Um.

459
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: Now here's something that I always struggle with in balancing,

460
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, keeping pressure low while also getting enough shots

461
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: at that buck Let's say it's that opening day situation again,

462
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: or the first couple of days of the season, and

463
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: you do have a buck you want to kill, but

464
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: you don't have daylight photos or you haven't seen him

465
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: moving in daylight yet. See you know he's there, but

466
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: you don't have that m iri that tells you, oh,

467
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: it's go time. But at the same time, it's the

468
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: first day of the season or the second day of

469
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: the season, and you know that every day after that

470
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: there's gonna be more and more pressure on that deer

471
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: from other hunters. There's the chance that things could happen.

472
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: How do you think about that? Will you go in

473
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: there and hunt opening day because it's opening day even

474
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: if you don't have that intel that says he's daylight

475
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: or how would you what would you do? No? I

476
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: don't hunt at all. I mean if I don't have

477
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: any daylight pictures of them, or have seen him in

478
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: daylight in an area that I want to hunt, absolutely

479
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: don't hunt. Because I look at it like this, like

480
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: your neighbors helping, because they're they're gonna be hunt. The

481
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: guys that don't take it as serious as you or I,

482
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: they will be hunting and they'll be tipping that deer off,

483
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: and he's slowly gonna start shrinking his core to the

484
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: area that he's not being messed with, and that's gonna

485
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: just tip the odds in your favorite Now, would your

486
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: answer change it off? I told you that opening day

487
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: or the second day the season, there was a big

488
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: cold front hidden. Mm hmm. Not necessary. I mean, it

489
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: would have to be. Things would have to be really right,

490
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: I guess. But because I've I'm you know, I'm not

491
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: a giant being of cold fronts. You know, everybody says, man,

492
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: I got a cold front coming, I'm gonna get out there,

493
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: and I've heard it so many times, like, man, I

494
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: just didn't see the deer movement. I thought I would see. Well,

495
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: I honestly believe that sometimes in the early season, when

496
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: you get too much of a cold front, it kind

497
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: of shocks the deer to a cent. Now, there's times

498
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: in October when you get a nice cool front moving

499
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: through that really drops the temperature twenty degrees. If you're

500
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: sitting on a food source like a food plot or

501
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: a bean field or something that you can get in

502
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: and out of with great access, absolutely hunted, you know

503
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: what I mean? Because anything can happen, and I've seen

504
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: it happen and you might get pictures those nights if

505
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: you weren't hunting, but you don't want to hunt those

506
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: spots and it not happened if you don't have an

507
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: access an egress strategy to get out of there, you

508
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, that's the biggest thing. You

509
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: start tipping those deer off on the way out. Maybe

510
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: once you can get away with it, but if you

511
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 1: keep trying it and it's not working, it's gonna get tougher.

512
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: So I'd say, yeah, you can do it, but make

513
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 1: sure that and it does work well in those early octobers,

514
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, because in October can turn into a October

515
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: real quick if you get the right weather patterns. Um.

516
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: But I do believe that you need to know that

517
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: the deer is there, that he's close to where you

518
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: want him to be, and that he might use that

519
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: scluted food plot or the edge of that field or

520
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: something you know, and you can get out of there

521
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: if he doesn't show, so you're not tipping him off

522
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: in the dark. All right. Now, what about the reverse situation?

523
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: What if you did have a daylight sighting of him

524
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: or daylight trail camera of him maybe two three days

525
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: before opening day, but it was it was cool, it

526
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: was pretty nice conditions when he was moving in daylight then.

527
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: But now opening day arrives and it's hot, and maybe

528
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: it's just it's just hot and humid. It's just a

529
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,479
Speaker 1: nastiest kind of day that you don't typically think at

530
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: least maybe maybe I'm wrong on this, but I would

531
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: not think as a great deer hunting day it's seventy

532
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: eight and humid. Um would you go and hunt that

533
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: subpar weather day because you saw him moving two days

534
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: or three days before end? Or would you say Nope,

535
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: it's different conditions now, I'm not going to risk it. Yeah,

536
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: probably not, because, Dear, this is one thing I've noticed,

537
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: Dear feel a lot like people do. I mean, I

538
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: just feel that way, like you know the days that

539
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: I look out that window, or the way the weather

540
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: feels other than the rut I think, Dear, there our

541
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: internal systems almost feel a lot of like I think,

542
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: as far as you know that whole, just like man,

543
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: this is a gloomy, low pressure day, it's early season,

544
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: or it's blazing hot and I'm just gonna lay in

545
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: this shady creek bottom until nightfall, you know what I mean.

546
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: So I guess I just don't see the point and

547
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: having to risk risk those things when you know he's

548
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: gonna be on his feet sooner or later at the

549
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: right times. Okay, Let's let's say you do go hunting.

550
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: Let's say the conditions look good, and you had some

551
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: kind of recent information that this buck was out there

552
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: and moving in daylight. It's September, maybe the Ohio seasons open,

553
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: and you went in there, and you set up on

554
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: a great evening location. You're close to some kind of

555
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: food source, you know where this buck's probably betted or

556
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: you've got a decent hunch on what you think he's

557
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: gonna do, and you feel like it's a killing night.

558
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: You're set up, and then you hear a noise. You

559
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: look to your right and on the other side of

560
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: the neighboring property, so across the property line, maybe let's

561
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: say a hundred yards away from you. You happen to

562
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: be within sight of a property line, and you see

563
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: another hunter coming in on his side of the line,

564
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: making noise blow and sent all over and he then

565
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: walks out of sight. Do you stick it out in

566
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: that location or or do you pull the plug and

567
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: just bail and try to minimize the damage or try

568
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 1: to find a different spot. Uh, that can be a

569
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: tough one. I mean, you know, if the deer is

570
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: fedded close by to you, you and you're hunting close

571
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: to his bed, and that guy come through there, and

572
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: you're pretty positive that the deer while in his bed

573
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: probably heard that fella or the commotion or it might

574
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: have set him off, then yeah, I would probably fail.

575
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: But if the deer is farther back where you think

576
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: they're coming from, you know, on this travel route, because

577
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: obviously you're hunting a travel route, or you wouldn't be

578
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: sitting there where you think this deer is gonna come

579
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: through an early season in daylight, So you gotta be

580
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: hunting somewhere where you feel confident um that he that's

581
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: the kid. You just have to make that determination whether

582
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, if he's too close, and why waste your

583
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: time to get out of there and let things settle

584
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: down for a while. Try it again. Would your answer

585
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: be any different if we change the date and said

586
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: it was November. Absolutely, Because one when you just start

587
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: getting bucks feeling their oats and you know, they started

588
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: hitting their scrapes in daylight, especially in the mornings, like

589
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: when you start getting bucks working scrapes and they're hitting

590
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: those scrapes on the way back to bed and late

591
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: October those are magical times too. Hunt. I've killed three

592
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: booners on October. Now that ought to tell you something.

593
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: I mean October, and I've killed two of them in

594
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: the mornings on October. So in both scenarios have always

595
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: been when those bucks are at that point where they're

596
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: cruising their territory a little bit at night, they're going

597
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: back to bed later, they're marking their scrapes, they're letting

598
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: all the other bucks know that they're there, and they're

599
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: starting to put shop the subordinate bucks because they're locking

600
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: down there major breeding area and they're the dominant buck

601
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: right in that corp. So when you get that situation

602
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: going on, it's time it's time to make moves on

603
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: the deer like that. You know, it's time to be

604
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: in the stand because you're gonna see them. Um, So

605
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: that's when weather can really help. Yeah. But basically, if

606
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm reading you're right, you're saying, once you're in that

607
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: pre rut to rut, time frame late October into November.

608
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: You don't care that the other guy came through, like

609
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: you're saying it's all right, Yeah, I mean I I

610
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: guess the thing is is you're going to get away

611
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: with a lot more at that point because deer kind

612
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: of getting a little bit, you know what I mean,

613
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: they're starting to lose a little bit of especially when

614
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: they're full blown lockdown run you know, when they're in

615
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: that November phase. Were there in that trance. There's not

616
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: a whole lot that's bother knows it here, you know,

617
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: So that last week of October time frame, Yeah, they're

618
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: still on their on alert pretty good. But they're doing

619
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: their thing and their romans. But they're not going to

620
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: be easy. But I do think you're gonna get away

621
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: with more towards the runter. They see all they care

622
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: about is eating, you know, when they start thinking about

623
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: the breeding phase in the hot doughs and where they're

624
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: they really left their guard down, just like males do. Yeah, yeah,

625
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: I have to make a few more mistakes. Uh yeah,

626
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: going to that bar sounds good. One more drink, one

627
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: more drink. Um. Alright, what about this, It's it's a

628
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: tricky scenario that a lot of guys and girls have

629
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: to deal with in certain parts of the country. And

630
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: I know certain parts of Ohio are like this. I

631
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: think you've you've dealt with some of this, and that

632
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: is hunting in areas of big timber. Um when you're

633
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: in stretches that have a lot of hardwood timber, a

634
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: lot of oaks. Let's let's say hypothetically that again we're

635
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: talking October still um and for whatever reason, you're stuck

636
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: hunting one chunk of land, and this chunk of land

637
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: doesn't have big egg fields, doesn't have food plots, it's

638
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: mostly timber. How do you go about picking out your

639
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: focus areas in a situation like that? How do you

640
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: isolate a few key spots when it isn't as simplest saying, well,

641
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: obviously the great big cut corn fields right here, and

642
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,959
Speaker 1: all the deer want to head towards that. What would

643
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: your approach be if I dropped you on a new

644
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: piece of big timber like that. Well, so one thing

645
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: I look for is bogged off areas, anything that's, you know,

646
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: maybe had some clear cutting done or some recent logging

647
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: activity in the past year or two, because there's gonna

648
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: be a lot out of food right there. Um, that's

649
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: gonna be one of your major food sources. So those edges,

650
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: those transition zones between bogged off areas and bigger open

651
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: hardwoods is major, uh place to find gear sign um

652
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: great place, great places to figure out what the deer doing,

653
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: and you're gonna start seeing their scat manure, you know,

654
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: things like that buck sign, rubs, anything that you know

655
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: they're doing, you're gonna start seeing it in those areas

656
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: that they're spending some time. And another thing is a

657
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: water source, because if those deer in that big giant timber,

658
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: you know, they've got to still drink and so kate

659
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: some springs or you know, is there a creek. Where's

660
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: the creek that they're gonna be going to eat out

661
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: if they're betting up on these hills or in this

662
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: clear cut. You know, try to just pinpoint things that

663
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: can start narrowing down the puzzle. Where's the oak flats

664
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: that the acorns are falling on this here or are

665
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: none falling? And do you need to look for you know,

666
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: a different food source such as the brows and you know,

667
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: different kinds of shrubs and things like that, that they

668
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: might be feeding on you know this, uh, little berry patches, anything,

669
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: apple trees. So yeah, again it's just a different you

670
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: kind of take that whole. Say you're looking at a

671
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: five acre block and that's all you got to hunt,

672
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: which you know, we deal with a lot of that

673
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: in Ohio. Well, those are the scenarios that you just

674
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: start looking for and you start tearing them down, you know,

675
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: and I think eventually walking to them kind of spots

676
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: and looking at them will lead you to some sightings

677
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: or some pictures or you know, some success pretty you know,

678
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: sooner than later if you were in that situation, would

679
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: you hunt more days? In a situation like that where

680
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: it's not quite as easy to or at least if

681
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: it's a new property and it's not as easy to

682
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: already pinpoint like exactly where you think these kill spots

683
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: are and you're kind of prospecting still and in that

684
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: kind of situation, would a quantity approach there? Absolutely? Because

685
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: like you know, if you're talking a lot about like

686
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: the guy traveling, you know, and he doesn't live there

687
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: or you know, things like that, he doesn't have a

688
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: chance to run trail cameras and figure that you've got

689
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: to hunt. I mean, like when I'm hunting out of Stay,

690
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: I hunt every day no matter what I mean, because

691
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: I got to maximize my stand time. But I try

692
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: to be smart about the winds and where I'm hunting

693
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: and where I think those deer might be doing. If

694
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them already, what could they be doing

695
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: that I'm not seeing them? And you know, there's nothing

696
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: more frustrating, though than getting nighttime pictures of those dear

697
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: and knowing that they are there, and then you can't

698
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: lay eyes on him at the daytime because sometimes they're

699
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: just nocturnal, you know, to a degree, until they're just

700
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: complete to be ready. I mean, I got a farm

701
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: that I call it the night Walker farm because I

702
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: feel like those tear just do not move in the

703
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: daylight until it's rout, I mean like almost full blown rout.

704
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: Then they start, you know, and then they'll be on

705
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: their feet pretty much the rest of the season. A

706
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: little bit. You can catch them in daylight, but man,

707
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: that early time that farm is just brutal. What do

708
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: you do if that happens while you're there? So you've

709
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: got your weak time period and for whatever reason, it

710
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: seems like they're still on that night walking kind of pattern.

711
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: Do you just wait it out in hope, or do

712
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: you change your tactics at though, go to the local

713
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: gas station and pay four kids and push it out?

714
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: And he said it the telegram. I mean, I, I

715
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: honestly can't give you that answer because I don't think

716
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: there's anything you can do other than like bumping them

717
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: up out of their beds, you know, getting in there

718
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: and stir them up, you know, and trying to has

719
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: them coming back. I've never been a big fan of

720
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: hunting that way. I know some guys do, and it works. Um.

721
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it don't work, because I know

722
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: it works, But I do believe that there's a time

723
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: where you could do something like that, maybe stir some

724
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: things up, But you're also taking that chance that if

725
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 1: you're not successful and that's the only farm you got

726
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: to hunt for five days, you could really be shooting

727
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: yourself in the foot too, you know. So I think

728
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: in my mind that's kind of like a just the

729
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: way that I hunt. That's like my last resort ditch

730
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: effort is trying to pull the dupe on a buck

731
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: pipe off of them out. You know. I'd rather try.

732
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: I try to plan my hunt's more based upon the

733
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: timing of the year when I leave out of state

734
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: for recent information, saying that it's early season. But I

735
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: got this buck coming to a food source all the time,

736
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: or use it this water hole or this creek crossing daily,

737
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: you know. Then yeah, I mean I'll make my move.

738
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: You know, I used to be we used to have

739
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: to use trap catchers to make that stuff. Take a

740
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: break to the woods, break out a trail and just

741
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: figure out what trails because we didn't have cameras when

742
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: I was younger, you know what I mean, just to

743
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: tie strings across the trails and you know, not time tight,

744
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: but when the tier would come through the trails, they

745
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: break the string with their chests and set the timer

746
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: off on those trail timers. And I tell you, okay,

747
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 1: like eight thirty five, something walked down the trail, had

748
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: no idea what it was, you know, the good old

749
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: days right there? Man? Yeah, is there anything you know?

750
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: Trail cameras are pretty I mean, they're standard fair for

751
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: almost everyone these days, and you've been using them for

752
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: years and years and years now, But is there anything

753
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 1: substantially different with how you use them today? Than maybe

754
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: five years ago. Have you had any kind of like

755
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: ah ha moments that have really changed things there or

756
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: is it do you kind of have your tried and

757
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: true method just stick with up? Well, um, you know,

758
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: one thing I've definitely learned is like, especially if you're

759
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: just using regular card cameras that you know, aren't relaying

760
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: pictures to your phone app or something. You know. I

761
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: used to I just couldn't resist, man, I'd have to

762
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: go check that camera, you know. And I'm going back

763
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: to the days and when you had thirty five million

764
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: meter film and you can only get thirty five pictures

765
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: on the role, you know, and you take it to

766
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: the drug store and just couldn't wait to get your

767
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: film back and you just wasting all that money. But

768
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, even then, I would check my cameras too often.

769
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: And so I've learned to be a lot more patient

770
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: in those areas where I have cameras like that, especially

771
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: and I and I mean this more or less than

772
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: the off, don't just don't be going in there all

773
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: the time, you know. And that's where cell cams, you know,

774
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: some people are like, well, I can't afford a spark

775
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: camera in my personal opinion. You can't afford not to

776
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: have one, you know, because of the time that they

777
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: save you, the amount of gas they save you for

778
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: running around looking at you know, checking your cameras and

779
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and the information that they can relay.

780
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: You can save you so much time and effort and

781
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: intrusion on a deer, you know. And let's not kid

782
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: ourselves this day and age, there's not less hunters, you know,

783
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: at least not in my area. You know, I've watched

784
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: my area completely changed in the last ten years. I mean,

785
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: everybody and their brother is sitting on a corn pile

786
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: on twenty or forty acres with a box line, you know,

787
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: and a crossbow hanging out the window. And I mean

788
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: it's just it's brutal. Wan You you've got to know

789
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: what your deer doing. Yeah, how do you how do

790
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: you adjust to that? What have you had to do

791
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: differently now than you did ten years ago to account

792
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: for all that new pressure around you? Well, again, I've

793
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,479
Speaker 1: got to know what my dear doing. But I don't

794
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: hunt as much. I mean I hunted one time in

795
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: Ohio this year. I killed my box the first night

796
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: I hunted him, and I didn't sit him till October six,

797
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: fourteenth of me wait season was in two and a

798
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: half weeks before I even sat. But I killed him

799
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: the first night. And what made you sit that night?

800
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: Why was that the night that you decided to finally strike?

801
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: Because he had hit his So I put some black

802
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: widow mock scrapes in that area of his betting, and

803
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: I knew that he was I knew the pressure was

804
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: going to put him in that farm, and that's what

805
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: it did. I knew that I knew he was getting

806
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: pounded on the neighbors both sides of me, and and

807
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: he was I mean, and uh, just nothing against how

808
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: they hunted, just that they wanted to hunt, you know

809
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: what I mean? And I get it. But that's how

810
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: I killed that deer because it actually benefited me to

811
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: the point that I could back off of him and

812
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: just be patient because I knew he was old enough

813
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: and he knew the deal, and I knew everybody else

814
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: was baiting a snot out of him, and he'd used

815
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: their bait. But he wasn't a deer that went to

816
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: bait a lot to daylight, and so I just kind

817
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: of had him on them scrapes and the second, I

818
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: knew he was feeling just a little bit too comfortable

819
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: hitting scrapes going back in the morning and then in

820
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: the evening a little bit before he could do his thing.

821
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I got you. And on the thirteenth

822
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: I had him standing on that scrape, showed him on

823
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: the fourteenth of his name scrape and that was daylight

824
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: showed up. Yeah, so man, And that was a card

825
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: camera because we're that I couldn't get service right there,

826
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: because it was such a deep bottom that I couldn't

827
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: get self service on cellf cam there. So I literally

828
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: had to use a regular spartan camera that just you know,

829
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: took pictures and uh, I had to go in on

830
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: feet to check that. But I was waiting. You know,

831
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: he actually been on that camera day like two days

832
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: before that. Even um so, I knew he was right.

833
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's so comfortable right now. And I had

834
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: already hung the stand for this whole situation. I had

835
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: done that, you know, in September, and um so I

836
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: was ready for me. So all I had to do

837
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: was slide in and hunt. It was risky walking in

838
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: because you know, it's two hillsides looking down at you.

839
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: Um and the thermals were a little bit tough, but

840
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: I knew I had to try it. And you know,

841
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm pretty big about my sand control and using the

842
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: phase system for pollution and all that, and and along

843
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: with some black woodow deerp as a cover sent spraying

844
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: it in the air every so often. And I literally

845
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: had doze bedding down window me on the sell side,

846
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: and I you know, they started to come down the hill.

847
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: They busted me for a split second. Then I started

848
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: spraying the urine in the air again because even what

849
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: even before they couldn't quite tell what I was. But

850
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: I've really found that mixture of illusion system, space and

851
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: the deer urn together I can almost beat any geer. Now.

852
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. And it's on film. I mean I

853
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: literally show you these here laying down. And then a

854
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: little while later that block comes out of his betting

855
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: area and pushes some dose around. He's just it's in

856
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: a staging area. He pushes some dose around and then

857
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: he finally I grought to him a little bit because

858
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: he was grunting in some dose. So all I did

859
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: was to him two times, made it act like I

860
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: was messing with the dough back there because there was

861
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: some younger bucks around, And I mean he instantly just

862
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: turned and grunted. Crape got mad, He started working up

863
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: his scrape, jumped up in the air on his hind legs,

864
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: breaking the tree. As soon as he came down, I

865
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: slammed him. Yeah. I love it when it works out

866
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah. Yeah, But I'm just saying, you know,

867
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: those are scenarios that you know, people just have to

868
00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: learn too to be patient, you know, And I hunt

869
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: hunt smarter, not harder, you know, in in pressured areas.

870
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: You know, That's what I've had to learn to adapt

871
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: to in Ohio with so much hunting pressure around. Now. Yeah,

872
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: now you kind of alluded to this earlier, um that

873
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: some of these things change a little bit when you

874
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: get into the rut. These deer will deal with pressure

875
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: a little bit differently. They're a little distracted thinking about

876
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: other stuff. So I want to I want to get

877
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: into a few rut related issues or questions, but I

878
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: first want to understand your process of just preparing to

879
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: hunt for the rust. So imagine it's I don't remember, one,

880
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: you're off on your rut trip somewhere, or maybe you're

881
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: hunting local, but whatever, it's November, the ruts on the

882
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: alarm clock goes off in the morning. What does your

883
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: pre hunt morning routine look like? This is a weird question,

884
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: but like what are you when are you getting up?

885
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: What do you do before heading out to hunt? What

886
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: are the things you're thinking about? What are the things

887
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: you're making sure you don't forget to pack? What are

888
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty details of of everything you do leading

889
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: up to that all day sit or that whatever the

890
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: big hunt is you have for the day? Um, what's

891
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: that look like for you? Well? You know, I mean obviously,

892
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: if we're hunting rut in the mornings, you know, we're

893
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: getting up a good you know, good hour and a

894
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: half before it's time to be where we want to be,

895
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, and if we've got drive time, it could

896
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: be more. But if we're on the farm or close

897
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 1: to it, you know, I want to be in there

898
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: a good twenty minutes before daylight at least. And then

899
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: there's spots at times that I'll walk in in the daylight,

900
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: like because I want to be able to see the field.

901
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: If I got across an open field, I want to

902
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: be able to see instead of just blowing across it. Um,

903
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: but I always make sure that I've got my dear

904
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: yarn that I used as a cover spray. I've got

905
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: the Phase phone, which is my face every thinking thing

906
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: in the world when it comes to an ascent elimination

907
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: product or a scent cover, you know, to help you

908
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: minimize scent. And I'm not trying to sound like a

909
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: plug here for my sponsors, but we truly believe in

910
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: these products. We've proven to them, proving it over and

911
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: over again on film that these products work. And this

912
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: has become like my ritual now. And you know, obviously

913
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: having your clothes as clean as you can keep them,

914
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: whether they're hung outside or in a scent scent free

915
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 1: toads whatever you want to do. That's to each his own.

916
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: But I typically just hang mine out if I can

917
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: in an area where they're not going to get soaking,

918
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: wet or frosted or whatever. But um, you know, boots

919
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: clean things like that. Just trying to be as minimal

920
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: as you can. Packing my you know, black rack, a

921
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 1: grunt call, things like that. You've got to have those

922
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: kind of things in the rut because you never know.

923
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: Many times I've set up where I thought I needed be,

924
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: and the deer might be chasing a doll or cruising,

925
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: and he might be because when the rut comes out,

926
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: you don't know what they're gonna do. They may be

927
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: seventy five yards away and would have been coming there,

928
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: but might have got distracted because he got a whiffus something. Well,

929
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: if you've got your rattling antlers or your grunt call,

930
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: you still might be able to get him turned and

931
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: have him come your way. So you gotta make sure

932
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: you have that kind of stuff, um, you know, making

933
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: sure your bows and shooting shape. I always checked my

934
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: strings and all that before I walked to the woods,

935
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: making sure I don't, you know. And I carry two

936
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: releases because we've all left our release somewhere and walk

937
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: up stand and got son. You know, yeah, we've all

938
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: done it. And so I carry two releases now in

939
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: my pocket. And I'm I'm a fan of cover releases,

940
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: that's what I shoot. So I always got two in

941
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: my bag, you know. Um, that's just about it, you know.

942
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that I do anything crazy special.

943
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: I just you know, try to be prepared for what

944
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: I think I might need that day. You know. Definitely,

945
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: first thing I'm doing looking at weather and wind, you know,

946
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: because making sure things don't change on me. I look

947
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: at the hour by hour. I want to know what

948
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: that pressure is that day, if it's high pressure, low pressure,

949
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: you know what time is the wind switching? Because I'm

950
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: already playing for the evening son if the morning hunt

951
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, you know, so I try to adapt

952
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: and just be like a chameleon and be very versatile

953
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: and knowing what's going to be coming. Yeah, when do

954
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: you typically make your decision of where you're gonna hunt

955
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: the next morning? Is that like the night before you

956
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: have a plan and then you just double check the

957
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: weather in the morning, or are you kind of a

958
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: last minute, gut decision once it's just before time to

959
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: walk in, Like what's that process look for you? Look

960
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: for you? Well, mostly it's it's kind of it's always

961
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: wind oriented location of deer that I'm after. You know,

962
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: what has he been doing and what do I think

963
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna do? You know, um or what has the

964
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: most recent information told me that he's done type of things.

965
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: So those factors all come into play. Very seldom do

966
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: I just blind hunt, you know, like I'm just gonna

967
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: go sit this stand and hope for the best. You know.

968
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: I don't typically do that now. I will at times

969
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: when I'm out of state, you know, because sometimes you

970
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: just have to um. But usually if I'm doing that,

971
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on an edge somewhere trying to scout, but

972
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm also hunting at the same time. That makes sense.

973
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of observing and seeing if I can

974
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: pick something up that may be a big factor, you know,

975
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: that might really help me, you know, put the put

976
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: the pin in one. So That's happened a lot, you know.

977
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: When I go out of state a lot, especially on

978
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: new ground, I like to observe. I'll hang an observant

979
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: a stand and observing position where I do believe if

980
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: I can get a shot at a deer also or

981
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: call to one. But I'm also not just blowing in

982
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: there and blowing the farm up right off the bat.

983
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: I want to be able to see what's going on.

984
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you about that that first day

985
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: of an out of state hunt during the rut, and

986
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: and you maybe just answered it. But I'll just ask

987
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: a little more specifically. On day one of that seven

988
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: day rut hunt or whatever, let's say you haven't been

989
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: there yet that fall. Does day one a scouting day

990
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: or is it? You know, first thing in the morning,

991
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: you're hunting in a prime spot. You know what does

992
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: that very first day breakdown look like? Well, so for me,

993
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna base even that on like sake, cameras that

994
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: I may not have in that general area. But like,

995
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: if it's just pretty much across the Midwest and social

996
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: media staying the deer rolling, I'm gonna hunt, you know,

997
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: and I'll go to a good, fun, old good spot

998
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: in between, and I'm gonna hunt all day if we

999
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: can get away with it. You know, you just gotta

1000
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: put your time in in those instances. You know. There's

1001
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: a hot we did back in two thousand. Uh it

1002
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: was called scrape Master, And I hunted that deer six

1003
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: six or seven days before we killed him. Um, but

1004
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: I came to the realization that he wasn't even on

1005
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: the farm for like the first six days, you know,

1006
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: he just wasn't there. He had been there, and then

1007
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 1: he disappeared, he went somewhere, and then he came back

1008
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: and I killed him. So but if I wouldn't have

1009
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: been hunting, I wouldn't have known he came back because

1010
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: I killed him the day that he came back pretty much, um,

1011
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: you know. But during the rut, I mean, you gotta

1012
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: put the pressure on because that's the most magical time

1013
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: of year. That's when they're moving and you may run

1014
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: into a deer that you've never even known existed. Just

1015
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: because you didn't have pictures of him at that time

1016
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: of the year doesn't mean that a buck from two

1017
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: miles away not might not be coming through that timber,

1018
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, and going gonna go through that pinch that

1019
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: you're hunting. Yeah, I think if I were to oversimplify

1020
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: the types of places people hunting during the rut, you

1021
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: could put him into one of two oversimplified categories. You

1022
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: could say, people are there gonna hunt some kind of

1023
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: pinch point, or they're gonna hunt around some kind of

1024
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: dope betting you're feeding are like a dope hot spot.

1025
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: Let's just to keep it really, really simple. If I

1026
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: had to force you to pick one of the two,

1027
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: you had to spend your whole rut vacation on one

1028
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: of those two. You can't have both. You gotta pick one.

1029
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: Which would you pick? And why would that be your preference?

1030
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt, I'll pick dope betting areas are great,

1031
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: but I would rather pick a good known travel route

1032
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: funnel because I feel I'll maximize the amount of different

1033
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: bucks I'll see, and typically in the funnel situations, I

1034
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: can get into them and out of them. The way

1035
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: I set them up to hunt a multiple multiple times

1036
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: that it's not tipping the deer off to where if

1037
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: you're hunting a dope betting area and you got all

1038
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: of them hobag's noses around, then you're gonna start tipping

1039
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: them off and they may switch up what they're doing too,

1040
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: or they're gonna be busting your butt all the time,

1041
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: winding you're blowing, driving you crazy, and it could just

1042
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: ruin your whole hunt. Yeah, it does. You said, the

1043
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: way you set these spots up in these pinch points,

1044
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: is there anything like what do you mean by that?

1045
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: What uniquely do you do when you're setting up on

1046
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: a travel funnel like this that makes it work so well? Well?

1047
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: I just I I gotta have the right way to

1048
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: get into them, you know, I really planned that out.

1049
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: Whether it's a ravine, a ditch, a creek, you know,

1050
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: I look for those funnels. There may be five funnels

1051
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: on a farm, but I'm gonna hunt the one that

1052
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: has the best access for me to get in and

1053
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: out of it. That's the one I'm gonna pick, and

1054
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: that's where I'm gonna spend my time. I'm not saying

1055
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: I won't hunt the other ones, but I like to

1056
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: really not, especially if I've got to be on that

1057
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: farm and that's the only place I can hunt for

1058
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: a while. I really try to really not let those

1059
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: deer know that I'm hunting them. Yeah, Now here's a

1060
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: tricky thing with with some funnel spots like this is

1061
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: and I know trail cameras could solve the problem here.

1062
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: So let's let's say for some reason we're not getting

1063
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: trail camera data. That's gonna push us one way or another.

1064
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: But here's a challenge. Sometimes when you're hunting a spot

1065
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: like this where you know that a buck should travel

1066
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: through this funnel eventually but he hasn't yet, Like, how

1067
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: much time will you give a spot like this that

1068
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: just screams a rut travel quarter But you hunt all

1069
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: day on day one and there's nothing, And then you say, well,

1070
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: you know it's been day one, but I know if

1071
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: I spend enough time here, he'll come through. And so

1072
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: you go out there the next day and you know

1073
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: you didn't spook anything, so you hunted again. Uh, and

1074
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: then he still doesn't show up. Will you? Will you

1075
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: go a second day, a third day in a spot

1076
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: that just looks so great? Or do you say Nope,

1077
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: I gotta change it up. That's gonna depend on what

1078
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: else I'm seeing, you know what I'm saying. If I'm

1079
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: not seeing any deer, then no, I'm not gonna keep

1080
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: doing it. If I'm seeing dear moving those bucks and

1081
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: things like that, then I still know it's only a

1082
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: matter of time. He's probably with the dough and he's

1083
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: gonna break free eventually, and he's gonna be coming through

1084
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: those spots Like I try to find those travel pitch

1085
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: points that that lay between dope, petty curious. Those are

1086
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,959
Speaker 1: my key, That's what I love to find. Yeah, yeah,

1087
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: that's ideal. So that way I can maximize, you know,

1088
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: the activity of how many places they're trying to cruise

1089
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: through this day. Yeah. Let's let's say you're in a

1090
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: spot like that. You you found this dynamite funnel. You

1091
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: know it works out well for your access in your

1092
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: exit you know that there have been deer coming through here.

1093
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of time until that right buck does.

1094
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: You're sitting out there, it's November three, four or five,

1095
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: something like that. End the big buck year after steps out.

1096
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: But he gets down, when do you? And he smells

1097
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: you and he just he doesn't high tail it out,

1098
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: but he smells it and he's like, nope, he's gone.

1099
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: Do you immediately moved to a totally different place? Do

1100
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: you stay right where you're at? Do you adjust a

1101
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: little bit? What do you do in that situation? Well,

1102
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: if he was with a hot dough, you might be

1103
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: able to tweak it or stick it out, because if

1104
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: she comes if she didn't get you, chances are she's

1105
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: gonna come back through there and don't forget about it.

1106
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: But if if his mind wasn't on a dough and

1107
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: he's still got you like that, chances are he's gonna

1108
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: be done right there for a little bit, in my opinion,

1109
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: because a good chance next time he comes through there,

1110
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna go around stiffing and trying to find your

1111
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: tracks and what you're doing. You know, Yeah, that's that's

1112
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: my take on that. You know, one thing I tell

1113
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: people to do if they want to learn something about

1114
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: a really big deer, or dear in general, just any deer.

1115
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: Can you go into hanging tree sty and take an

1116
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: extra camera with you hanging on the spot you're just

1117
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: hunting that tree stand. When you walk out, you'll be

1118
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: surprised at what follows your trail to that tree stand.

1119
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: H I think they they they're gonna scope off that

1120
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: sent Huh. Well, I'm not saying that they know what

1121
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: exactly it is. I'm just saying it's it's interesting to

1122
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: see how dear de're curious, not necessarily saying that deer

1123
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: smart enough to be like, oh, I'm gonna go sniff

1124
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: out and find this ladder, and I know this is

1125
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: what Ben's Honey. It's just they know somebody was in

1126
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: their area, you know what I mean, and they're they're

1127
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: searching it out. They want to know what was going on.

1128
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: You know. It's just like if you're not a smoker

1129
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: and you're sitting and you're you know, you come home,

1130
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: you walk in your house, you smell a little bit

1131
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: of smoke or a cigarette, but you see a cigarette

1132
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: butt lane somewhere, you know something's up. You know that's

1133
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: that's how dear are you know? They're the same way.

1134
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: You can't enter their world and them not know it

1135
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: very often, So so what's the buffer? Then? If if

1136
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: this happened, you're out there, he wins you, uh, he

1137
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: moves off into the direction, and you think to yourself, Okay,

1138
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: I need to adjust because he's he's not with a

1139
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: deal right now, he's he's kind of onto me. How

1140
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: much of an adjustment do you think you need to

1141
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: make to still to be in the game, because this

1142
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: is a great spot you so you still think, like, man,

1143
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: they want to come through here. But he smelled me.

1144
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: Is he gonna Are you gonna totally just cross that

1145
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: whole funnel off? Or will you make like an eight

1146
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: yard adjustment and hope that he'll still come through but

1147
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: skirt where you were? Yeah, I mean he could still

1148
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: be using it. I mean honestly, I mean he might

1149
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: come right back through there in the next morning, like

1150
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: like it was nothing. You just don't know for sure,

1151
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna be especially if they see you

1152
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: or they're like almost pin pin point you. I think

1153
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: you need to switch it up at least thirty forty yards,

1154
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, uh, but I think it

1155
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: depends on really how bugger they got, you know. I

1156
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: mean if he just kind of tucked his tail got

1157
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: out of there and he just wasn't sure. I mean,

1158
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: he could just think, you know, it's a neighbor fixing

1159
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: a fence or something. You know, he just got to

1160
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: whip up a human. But if he comes back through

1161
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: there again and get you the same spot again, yeah

1162
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: you're done. You know you need to just graph it

1163
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: for a little bit and then try to pick him

1164
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: up somewhere else. Think about where he was at it

1165
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: or going to try to pick him up there. Okay,

1166
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: So here's a different kind of curveball to that kind

1167
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: of day. You're out there and you see the buck

1168
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: you're after, but he's locked on a doe and he

1169
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: follows that dough off away from you, and you know that.

1170
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: Let's say it's in the afternoon and he's heading towards

1171
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: the gentles action of a food source. So in your

1172
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: head you're thinking, man, it's it's really unlikely that he's

1173
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: going to leave that dough and come back to where

1174
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: I am. But there's still two hours of daylight left

1175
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: or something like that, and you're only after this one buck.

1176
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: Do you just say, at well, that's my evening and

1177
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit it out just in case, but I'm

1178
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: not gonna do anything. Or will you get aggressive and

1179
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: say all right, I'm gonna try to loop way around

1180
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: and get ahead of him, or do you do you

1181
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: do anything in that case? What? What do you do? Well?

1182
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: I guess it just depends on you know, how locked

1183
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: on he might be with that dough or you know,

1184
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: if he if he's in full in love mode and

1185
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: just glued to her, chances are he's not coming back

1186
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: through there unless she doesn't, you know what I mean.

1187
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: And there's a real good chance she's not even going

1188
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: to go to an open area when she's feeling that way,

1189
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, because she doesn't want to get her asked

1190
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: by a bunch of other bucks either. And so typically

1191
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: when those deer in that in that mood, they're not

1192
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: getting out of the timber a whole lot. You know

1193
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna be So unless you know where there's another

1194
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: good betting area, an area that maybe you can pick

1195
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: them up. You know, I'm not saying you might as

1196
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: well just finish out the hunt and just see how

1197
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: it goes, you know what I mean, because you're already there,

1198
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: You've already walked in later sent you might as well

1199
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: just hunted out and maybe she'll come back through or

1200
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: type type thing. You know what I mean. It he'll follow,

1201
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: or maybe they'll be done and he'll come back through

1202
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: looking for another dough that he was that he saw

1203
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: earlier in the day. What does that mean for your future?

1204
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: For like the next day. So when you see a

1205
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: buck that really seems to be locked on to that dough,

1206
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: I know, and historically for me, oftentimes I've seen these

1207
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: deer wolf really kind of shrink the area they travel,

1208
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: and I've always thought to myself that I've got a

1209
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: day or two window where that buck is going to

1210
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: be right in this little zone. And I do things

1211
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: differently when I see something like that, versus when I

1212
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: see a buck just cruising around. Um, what would you

1213
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: do in that case where Okay, he moved off, he's

1214
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: very locked on. Maybe you you saw him breed her

1215
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: maybe and then they just walked off. What's the next

1216
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: day look like for you? I'm gonna be right there again,

1217
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: because if I saw him there once, you're going to

1218
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: see him there again. Most likely yep, same stand Or

1219
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: would you adjust fifty yards based off what they did

1220
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: or something like that. No, I mean usually I would

1221
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: hunt the same stand. I mean, I you know, unless

1222
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: the wind's gonna be sketchy, you know, then you need

1223
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,479
Speaker 1: to make an adjustment. You can, but that same general area.

1224
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: There's a reason they were there the first time you

1225
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: see him. That's why they were going through there. So

1226
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: trust your gut. He's gonna do it again, or she's

1227
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: gonna do it again and he's gonna follow, or again

1228
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna lose her and feedback through. I mean, I'm

1229
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm okay with hunting those kind of spots multiple times,

1230
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, because I do believe that's if you know,

1231
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: it's the right spot. Those are the place, you know. Yeah.

1232
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,919
Speaker 1: One more locked on a dough situation. Is there ever

1233
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: a situation where you would try to call a buck

1234
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: off of a dough or yeah? I mean, do you

1235
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: think it's realistic at all? The call a buck off

1236
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: a dough that he seems to be locked on. Well,

1237
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: I'll always test them, you know what I mean. I'll

1238
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: throw him a call or two and just see how

1239
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: they feel and how they react to it and how

1240
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: they react will tell me, okay, just don't push it,

1241
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: or okay, maybe I can get a little more aggressive.

1242
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: Because last year in Kansas, I called one off a

1243
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: dough um. A few years ago I killed a two

1244
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: fifteen was, you know, with the dough. But he was

1245
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: with the dough of the morning before I grunted at him.

1246
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: He's like his tail let me knew he heard, but

1247
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: he didn't bristle. He didn't even slow down. He just

1248
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: kind of kept walking her and smelling her. I grunted

1249
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,439
Speaker 1: one more time. He didn't even react. You just kind

1250
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: of flared, and I was like, you know what, I'm

1251
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: just gonna I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna push him.

1252
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: So I left him alone. I killed him the next

1253
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: evening in the next morning, so um in the same

1254
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: general area, but I had to move a stand. We

1255
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: moved at the middle of the day and moved it

1256
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: like forty yards and I killed him on basically the

1257
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: same same general area, about forty yards from where I've

1258
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: seen him the day before. And killed him in the

1259
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: morning without it though, and I caught him. I got

1260
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: him to come in by tickling, you know, the antlers,

1261
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: And he was two fifteen the five inches broken off.

1262
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: So what specific what's the specific body language you would

1263
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 1: need to see to make you say, Okay, I'm gonna

1264
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: get aggressive and keep calling, versus oh no, I gotta layoff.

1265
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: This isn't the right time. Well, so like the hunt

1266
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: it's on white Tail Edge and um season five where

1267
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: I'm in Kansas, this but comes in with a dough

1268
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: to a betting area. Yeah, I grunt a couple of

1269
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: times at him, and he snort weez is instantly and

1270
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: just flares up like haul Hogan, and I knew right then.

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01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, he's he's mad and he's piste off,

1272
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: so I can I can work this buck. And we didn't.

1273
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: We didn't get him to come marching right to the tree,

1274
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: but he gave me a forty five yard shot through

1275
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: a window, and you know, I was able to pin

1276
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: wheel him. So it's one of those deals where like

1277
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: if he wouldn't have reacted at all, then I probably

1278
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't have kept calling. But I got super aggressive with

1279
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: him and I snort weez back. I grunted hard couple

1280
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,799
Speaker 1: of times and kept after it, and that dough actually

1281
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: started to come towards us and he followed, and then

1282
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: he was snort wheezing at the same time. And then

1283
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: he didn't want to lose her, so he kept up,

1284
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: and he thought he was going to get into a fight.

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01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: You know. He was basically bracing himself to come around

1286
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: those theaters and run into another deer. He ran into something. Yeah, So,

1287
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just telling. It's just telling their language,

1288
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, being able to read a deer when to

1289
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: back off, you know, when to let it go. Yep, yep.

1290
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: They wag their tail. If if you call to them

1291
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: and they wagged their tail, they've heard you, you know

1292
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: what I mean, they know you're there. And then it's

1293
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: just it's just kind of like a turkey. You just

1294
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 1: keep feeling them out. You need to yelp a little more.

1295
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: Does the gobble or not? Or do you need to

1296
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: heat him up? Or do you need to just back off?

1297
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: You know, like a turkey that's goblin. Every time you call,

1298
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: I lay the pipe to him, buddy, I just keep

1299
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, and get him to come, because it just

1300
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: excites them so much that they just like explode and

1301
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: they come running to where if one's not answering you

1302
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: every time you call, those are the birds that you

1303
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: typically you just let him know you're there every so often,

1304
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: and eventually he's just gonna sneak in. Yeah, there's a

1305
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: certain it's it really takes some time to kind of

1306
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: learn what that right balance is, when to push it,

1307
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: when not too, how to read the deer. It's that's

1308
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: an interesting thing. Yeah, No, it is, and I mean

1309
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: it's and it's all just a matter of getting out

1310
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,919
Speaker 1: there and trying it. You know, you're gonna make mistakes.

1311
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: And that's how I learned. You know, I learned by

1312
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: watching deer runaway go Oh he didn't like that. Yeah,

1313
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: those lessons stick. Yeah, I learned it on a really

1314
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: big one once, so, you know, and that probably the

1315
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 1: biggest deer I would ever killed my life. I learned

1316
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: it and I was, you know, like two thousand four

1317
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: and I was hunt in Illinois and I'm pretty sure

1318
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: this deer was two forties and I I just called

1319
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: too much to it, you know, I got two jacked

1320
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: up on it. And here I thought he wasn't going

1321
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: to come at all. Well, all I did was just

1322
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: set him off to make him look for me, and

1323
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: he came in down when and by the time I

1324
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: realized he was there. He was twenty five yards behind

1325
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: the tree. He snuck in so quiet, trying to sniff me.

1326
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: And I turned around and there he was. Yeah, in fact,

1327
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: I didn't even know he was there until I stood

1328
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: up to look at my camera guy and just complain

1329
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: one more time. I felt that I messed it up,

1330
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: and here he was right behind us and we didn't

1331
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: even know it. This was an hour later. This was

1332
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: an hour after I had what I thought scooped him,

1333
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: and here he came looking for us to bust us.

1334
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: So what's what's the lesson learned there? Like, what was

1335
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: the thing that you thought to yourself afterwards? Ope, I'm

1336
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna do that again, or I will definitely

1337
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: do this the other thing again. Well, one is, I

1338
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: don't ever think just because you called that they're not

1339
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: going to come. Always be looking down wind. Now, I

1340
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: really try to set up in spots if I know

1341
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: that it might be a calling situation where a deer

1342
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: has really got to expose himself or really can't get

1343
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: down wind of me without me seeing him, you know,

1344
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: but he can't sneak in the back door, you know,

1345
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: on me. Yeah, like having a pond or creek bottom

1346
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: on their down wind side or opening. Yeah, anything, just

1347
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: something to make it harder for him to get down

1348
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: wind of view without you know, when he's doing it,

1349
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, alright, Ben, We Unfortunately we've got to

1350
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: do a slightly shorter chat today that I sometimes like

1351
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: to do, and I'm really enjoying this, so I hate

1352
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: that we have to do this, but I want to

1353
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: get into one last section here where I want to

1354
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: just run you through five or six quick kind of

1355
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: rapid fire questions. So just like a one word answer

1356
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: if you can, and we'll bounce through these really quick

1357
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 1: and uh and then we'll wrap it up. So are

1358
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: you ready to do that? Yeah? All right? Does the

1359
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: moon matter to dear movement? And would you like put

1360
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: your life on it or would you put a season

1361
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:17,640
Speaker 1: of hunting on it? Yes or no? Yes? Would you

1362
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: take a fifty yards shot at a white tail with

1363
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: your bow? Yes or no? Yes? If you could only

1364
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: have one of these for the rest of your hunting life,

1365
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: which would it be a set of rattling antlers or

1366
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: grunt tube rattling antlers. That's a tough one, huh, yeah,

1367
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: expandable or fixed blade broadheads, expandable. Should you stop a

1368
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: buck with some kind of sound before shooting with the bow? Yes,

1369
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: what would you rather hunt over if you had to

1370
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 1: choose only one of these options? A rub line or

1371
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: a scrape? Scrape? All right, And here's the last one.

1372
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: It's not so much a rapid fire question, but it's

1373
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of a wonky one. Let's say that

1374
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: I am the president of the United States or something

1375
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: like that, and I have control over your hunting privileges,

1376
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: and I'm going to say that you cannot hunt for

1377
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: the next ten years unless unless you kill a five

1378
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: and a half year old buck this year. So you

1379
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: have to kill a five year old half year old

1380
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: buck this year. I'm only going to give you one

1381
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: day to do it, and only one tree to do

1382
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: it in. Which day of the year would you pick

1383
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: and describe to me that perfect tree to kill this

1384
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 1: very high stakes buck. Mm hmm, only one day of

1385
01:15:54,640 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: the year? Huh, Well, then that's gonna be. I would

1386
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: have to go late season on a very used food

1387
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: source on one of the coldest days of the year,

1388
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: with a tree that is tucked in just enough on

1389
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: their way to the field or to the food source,

1390
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: whether whatever it be that I can find a meating

1391
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: on in those cold days, all right, and if you

1392
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: had so that that would have to be that I

1393
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 1: would have to pick that day to be somewhere in

1394
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: that January time frame. Okay, I like it. I'm gonna go.

1395
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with their guts, you know, because the

1396
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: rut is too they're too all over the board. You

1397
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: can't you really can't pinpoint them to where one of

1398
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: their slaves of their stomach is when they're the most patternable.

1399
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:00,719
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Well, Ben, Uh, you past the rapid

1400
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: fire test and I enjoyed it. Do you have anything

1401
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: you can tell folks as far as where they can

1402
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 1: go to uh follow along with what you're doing, or

1403
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 1: watch your hunts or anything else they should keep an

1404
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: eye out from you. Yeah. Sure. On so we air

1405
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: on masiok Um that's an app that you can download

1406
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: for you know, your TV, your smartphones, different things like that. Um,

1407
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: we are there. We're on YouTube, um, white Tail Edge

1408
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: Official on Instagram, Whitetail Edge you know on Facebook. We

1409
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: also do Spur Brand. That's where you can get all

1410
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: our white Tail Edge apparel. Spur Brand is our Turkey brand.

1411
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: But it's a really cool uh clothing line and hat

1412
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:52,719
Speaker 1: line and stuff, and we even do turkey calls. Um.

1413
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 1: But you can go to spur brand dot com and

1414
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: that's where you can get white tail edge gear also

1415
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,759
Speaker 1: and pats and shirts and all that kind of stuff.

1416
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: So we need all the followers and views we can get,

1417
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: so you know, again this, I feel very blessed that

1418
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 1: I've had the life I've had to be able to

1419
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: hunt the deer that I have. And you know, I'm

1420
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 1: very humble about it. I don't normally talk. I can

1421
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 1: be in a crowd for a long time before people

1422
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 1: even realize I'm a deer hunter. So I think people

1423
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: who enjoy the show the way we try to teach

1424
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: people how to hunt deer um, And my biggest thing

1425
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: is is just enjoy it. You know, if it's trying

1426
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: to hunt mature deer is driving you crazy, you know

1427
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 1: and taking the fun out of it, then get back

1428
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: to reality, you know, like these I hear these kids

1429
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: talking all the time about being thirteen fourteen years old

1430
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: and how they're passing up deer and this and that. Man,

1431
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,799
Speaker 1: when I was thirteen fourteen, I was killing everything that walked,

1432
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 1: you know, just just get out there and enjoy mother nature.

1433
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: Those green years of your career will be the ones

1434
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 1: you remember the most. You know, the fresh learning experiences,

1435
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: the mistakes. Soak them up because their God's gifts to

1436
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: helping us learn. You know. Yeah, that's that's great parting

1437
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: advice A good place to end and uh and wise words.

1438
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: So Ben, thank you for taking the time. I I've

1439
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: always enjoyed your videos and your hunts and uh there's

1440
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 1: always something new I can learn from. So so thanks

1441
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: for sharing this list today. Yeah, well thanks, thanks to you. Mark.

1442
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate it's been awesome watching you grow in the industry.

1443
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: It's been really cool to follow you and see how

1444
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 1: you've taking your passion and what you've turned it into.

1445
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: And now that you're with Steve doing stuff, I mean,

1446
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: that's just awesome. Thank you. Thanks. Meat Eater. Meat Eater

1447
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: is my favorite show. Dude. I don't watch I really

1448
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: don't watch TV hardly ever. I don't watch hunting shows.

1449
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: I don't even watch my own, but I watched I

1450
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 1: watched meat Eaters because it's I don't know why, I

1451
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: like that guy and I like how he does things

1452
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: and it's just interesting. I think he's got such a

1453
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 1: cool spin on something different and he can appeal to everybody.

1454
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: And you know, some kudos to Steve Ronella for that.

1455
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: And it's really cool that he's brought you into kind

1456
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 1: of help do things, so that's good for both of you. Yeah,

1457
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: thank you. He's uh, he's definitely put a great thing

1458
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: in place here and he's been a great mentor for

1459
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 1: a lot of us. So I'm glad you enjoined it. Yeah,

1460
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: all right, and Steve need to come hune Ohio with

1461
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: me sometime. Hey, don't be careful what you ask for,

1462
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 1: because before you know it, I'll be knocking on your door.

1463
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: All right, thank you for listening. That is a rap

1464
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 1: on my conversation with Ben. Make sure you are doing

1465
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: a couple of things in the meantime until our next episode.

1466
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: If you are not already subscribed to our white Tail

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Speaker 1: weekly newsletter, going over to the Meat Eater dot com

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Speaker 1: and sign up for that. That's gonna get you all

1469
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:50,759
Speaker 1: the latest white Tail content from the meat of your team. Also,

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01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 1: make sure you're following me over on Instagram. That is

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Speaker 1: wired to hunt is the handle. That way you can

1472
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: see what's happening in my own white Tail World and uh,

1473
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 1: lots of different updates coming there as well, So with that,

1474
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 1: I think we can wrap it up. This has been fun.

1475
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me, thank you for listening, and until

1476
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: next time, stay wired to Hunt.