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Speaker 1: Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Bobby Brown. What can I say about

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Speaker 1: Aunt Alice? My Aunt Alice, who is eighty nine years old,

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Speaker 1: never taken a medication in her life, never colored her hair,

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Speaker 1: never wore high heels. She's shorter than I am, full disclosure.

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Speaker 1: But she is strong, she is funny, she is brilliant.

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Speaker 1: She just has more common sense than anyone I have

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Speaker 1: ever met. When Aunt Dallas walks into a room and

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Speaker 1: you ask her a question, she says, look. When Aunt

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Speaker 1: Alice says, look, you better stop and pay attention because

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Speaker 1: you're going to get some major advice. And Aunt Alice

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Speaker 1: has really good advice. I've learned so many things from

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Speaker 1: Aunt Alice. I learned, first of all, the importance of family.

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Speaker 1: I also learned how to have fun, how to have

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Speaker 1: a perspective on things. I have reached out to Aunt

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Speaker 1: Alice many different times in my life. I was either

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Speaker 1: stuck or didn't know what to do, and she was

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Speaker 1: the first one that said to me, look, it's time

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Speaker 1: to leave the company. She's the first one, only one

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Speaker 1: that said it it's time. I said, you're right, Aunt Alice.

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Speaker 1: When Uncle Albert and her got married. She went to

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Speaker 1: work with Uncle Albert. She was really helpful with his

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Speaker 1: business and literally worked with him until he retired. She

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Speaker 1: had an incredible, beautiful marriage to Uncle Albert. They were

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Speaker 1: married over sixty years. I didn't know how she was

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Speaker 1: going to go on without him, And you know what,

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Speaker 1: somehow she has figured out how to be happy, raised

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Speaker 1: great kids, great friendships, and so many life lessons about

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Speaker 1: how to be a really good, caring person. I I

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Speaker 1: could go on. I don't even need Aunt Alice as

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Speaker 1: a guest. I could tell you story after story from

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Speaker 1: her retirement community that she lives in. She doesn't look

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Speaker 1: at old people. She looks at brilliant people. She looks

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Speaker 1: at people that have lived a full life. She lights

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Speaker 1: up in her eyes when she talks about how happy

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Speaker 1: she is. Here's my conversation with Aunt Alice. Are you ready? All?

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Speaker 1: I said? Are you ready? I'm ready? What are we doing?

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Speaker 1: We're just I'm We're gonna it's an interview. So smile,

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Speaker 1: oh okay, don't ask how much? Okay? Okay, yes, so

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Speaker 1: smile and as what have you done today? Well? Today

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Speaker 1: I had breakfast, then I went over to hear a lecture.

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Speaker 1: And then I came home waiting for your call. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what did you have for breakfast? Come on? You know everything? Yes,

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Speaker 1: this is an interview, Aunt Alice, this is an interview. Okay,

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Speaker 1: blueberries and bananas, and then later for then I take

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Speaker 1: an energy bar later, you know, I want to have

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Speaker 1: an approaching And what energy bar do you eat? It's

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Speaker 1: called wellness. It's a good one. Yeah, it's a good one.

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Speaker 1: There's not a lot of sugar, you know. I. I

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Speaker 1: try to watch so And how's you are? Eighty nine

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Speaker 1: years old? Right? You've never taken a medicine in your life.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. Maybe my mother gave me some. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't take any medicines with her. But how many

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Speaker 1: people of a certain age don't take medicine? Not for

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Speaker 1: the herd, for thyroid and upper a downer nothing an

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Speaker 1: upper down? Or you stay medium? You don't need either

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Speaker 1: one of them. And how do you stay medium? I

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Speaker 1: just do I don't know, Bobby, I don't have the

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Speaker 1: need for it, thank god. Look, I believe you exercise,

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Speaker 1: you try to eat well, you keep your mind busy,

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Speaker 1: and I think you keep going. I think it's important.

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Speaker 1: So I asked you to be on this podcast. Because

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of role models in my life.

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Speaker 1: You are always on the top of my list because

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Speaker 1: I find you to be strong. I find you to

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Speaker 1: be down to earth with your feet planted firmly in

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Speaker 1: the ground. I believe that you have lived like the

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Speaker 1: most spectacular, wonderful life. You are still living this amazing life.

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Speaker 1: What is your secret? You put one ft in front

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Speaker 1: of the other. You I've always seen the cup half full.

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Speaker 1: I will go more on the positive. People will discuss

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Speaker 1: subjects and things and they're they're very negative, and I say,

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Speaker 1: if that's the road you want to take, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not going that way, Bobby. If you have

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Speaker 1: hard time, sometimes it teaches you what to do. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's what you do after you have the hard time

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Speaker 1: that makes you strong. So give me an example. Listen.

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Speaker 1: I've had very very difficult times with money with my way.

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Speaker 1: You know, with Papa, I don't need to go there.

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Speaker 1: You decide what you're gonna do, and then you you

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Speaker 1: hopefully it works, and so you. My aunt Alice is

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Speaker 1: my nana and Papa. I've talked often about Nana and

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Speaker 1: has always been someone in my life that when I

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Speaker 1: was having a tough time, I would go over to

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Speaker 1: you know, in her bathing suit by the pool. You'd

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Speaker 1: be hanging in your robe. You make me a robe ant.

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Speaker 1: Alice makes robes out of towels, that's right. I remember that.

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Speaker 1: I remember I let you have ice cream too, From

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Speaker 1: and and right. I wasn't allowed to have sweets growing

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Speaker 1: up in aunt Alice would let me have ice cream,

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Speaker 1: That is a true story. And you were always it

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Speaker 1: was always just such a safe fund zone for me.

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Speaker 1: Probably I always felt like you were another one of

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Speaker 1: my children. I always loved you. I thought you were

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Speaker 1: extremely bright. Really no one else did. We had something

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Speaker 1: special for me. I don't know. I can't even exactly

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Speaker 1: know what it was, but you do. And I was

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Speaker 1: best friends with your youngest daughter, Barbara, who I haven't

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Speaker 1: talked to in a very long time, by the way,

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Speaker 1: Barbara Goodman. But what was I like as a kid like?

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Speaker 1: How how would you describe me? What Bobby, I came

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Speaker 1: to the hospital when you were born. I came home

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Speaker 1: with you, this little, tiny baby. I told you know

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Speaker 1: the story about what you came home in. And you

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Speaker 1: were always adorable, You were sweet. There was something special

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Speaker 1: about you. When you think about it, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but you just always had my heart. And was it

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Speaker 1: true that you brought doll clothes to the hospital because

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Speaker 1: I was so little. Your mom wanted something cute to

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Speaker 1: bring you home in. So I went to the store

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Speaker 1: where I bought the kid's clothes. He didn't have anything

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Speaker 1: there small, and there there was a little exhibit and

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Speaker 1: I said, well, could I have that? He said, well,

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Speaker 1: that's just nothing is I said, I wanted. I took

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Speaker 1: it home. I washed it and it fits you. I

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Speaker 1: I was not very big. No, you were not very big,

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Speaker 1: but you were adorable. What can I say, Bob? You

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Speaker 1: know you're special and you'll always be special to me.

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Speaker 1: What I also really admire about you is that I

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Speaker 1: was lucky enough to watch your love affair with Uncle

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Speaker 1: Albert for so many years. So it was you know, Bob.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember. At the funeral, the

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Speaker 1: going to tell a love story. People said, you never

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Speaker 1: said all without alice or alice. We just we luked out.

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Speaker 1: We both looked out. You guys always reminded me of

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Speaker 1: Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward. Did anyone tell you that

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Speaker 1: Paul Norman? They used to say all the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you're a little Joanne Woodward. Yeah, well a little shorter,

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Speaker 1: a little short. I'm shorter than everyone. But okay, so

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Speaker 1: what what is the secret of a sixty year marriage?

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Speaker 1: And what happened when you got mad? What did you do?

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not. We had one big fight when

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Speaker 1: we were first married. And at the end of the fight,

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Speaker 1: can I tell you about it? Okay, I liked boiled

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Speaker 1: He had a broken glass. It was so after that, Bobby, Honest,

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Speaker 1: we never had big fights. We had a lot of

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Speaker 1: differences of opinion, but we didn't fight a lot. We

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Speaker 1: We just didn't fight a lot. And now you live

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Speaker 1: I have said this before. As long as I can't

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Speaker 1: I don't have to do a damn thing. I was

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Speaker 1: asked me again and I said yes, And I said, cal,

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Speaker 1: So we joke around, but we're together a lot, and

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Speaker 1: and very tall right. Well, as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: just come back from a nice family vacation to New Orleans?

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Speaker 1: Was great? You know, eighty nine years old, there's not

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Speaker 1: white water rafting? No, no, i am not. I'm going

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Speaker 1: what can you see me, Bobby, I wouldn't have done

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Speaker 1: We haven't decided yet, just the two of you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm very grateful, and you know, I hope I'll be

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Speaker 1: really fun. So I and tell us this podcast. The

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Speaker 1: I'm searching for the real meaning of beauty. What does

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Speaker 1: You've taught me a lot about makeup, Bobby, which really helps.

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Speaker 1: know that you cleanse a couple of times a year. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that helps. Bobby. What you eat, I think that

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