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Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi, everyone,

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Speaker 1: welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about

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Speaker 1: the choices we make and where they lead us. You guys,

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Speaker 1: this podcast has been so incredible in so many different ways.

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Speaker 1: I love this podcast. I can't say it enough. One

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Speaker 1: of the best things about doing this podcast is that

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Speaker 1: I get to connect with inspirational women that are blazing

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Speaker 1: their own trails, and we get to have these incredibly

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Speaker 1: deep conversations that leave me feeling inspired and I know

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Speaker 1: leave all of you feeling fired up as well. And

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Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. My guest today is a

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Speaker 1: model an actress. She is the founder of the beauty

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Speaker 1: brand Wise Beauty and has her own female focused production company.

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Speaker 1: She's also the host of the podcast Lipstick on the Rim.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome Molly Simms to the Oh my gosh, I

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Speaker 1: think maybe correct me if I'm wrong, because I have

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Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible memory problem. Is this the first time

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Speaker 1: we're meeting?

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Speaker 2: You know? I mean it's not for me like I

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Speaker 2: grew up with your poster in my room. But no,

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Speaker 2: I think maybe, like many moons, like maybe fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 2: I met you and your ex husband. Okay, but I

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Speaker 2: but I don't know where. But yeah, you were always

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Speaker 2: so you're just always so light and refreshing and fun

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Speaker 2: and you're Jenny Garth. Right.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad to finally like have a chat with you.

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Speaker 1: This is so good, it's so good.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I you know, we're both moms and

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Speaker 2: many children, and yes, you know we're mom and we're

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Speaker 2: moment we're working moms.

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Speaker 1: We are. We were meant to have this conversation a

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Speaker 1: few months ago, but you know, we both know that

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Speaker 1: our communities here in Los Angeles were turned upside down

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Speaker 1: and we had to both, I believe, evacuate our homes.

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Speaker 2: I think we were scheduled to be together on the

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Speaker 2: seventh of Janus. Yes, I know. It's uh yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: still evacuated. I'm about fifty five minutes outside of LA

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Speaker 2: now with my family. Our school made it, my house

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Speaker 2: made it. I'm hoping to get back in within the

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Speaker 2: next month. But I actually I got the nerve to

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Speaker 2: go to go into the village, into the palisades, and

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, it was so heart wrenching and so

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Speaker 2: devastating just to really see it up close, to really

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Speaker 2: you know, not through a picture, through social or through

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Speaker 2: gut wrenching. I have to say, have you driven through

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Speaker 2: Altadena or the Palisades yet? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I actually just went to Altadena last night to go

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Speaker 1: It's real hard to see in person.

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Speaker 2: I know. I think for me, I kept putting it

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Speaker 2: off and putting it off because I just didn't want

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Speaker 2: to feel any more than I was already feeling. But

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad I did it. Like, I'm so glad

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Speaker 2: I on the prize. We can do this. We have

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Speaker 2: incredible communities and people, and you know, I'm really I

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Speaker 2: don't know. As much as it made me super super saded,

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Speaker 2: also it gave me a lot of hope, and I've

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Speaker 2: never seen communities pulled together more.

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Speaker 1: I know. I mean, if there's an upside, that's it

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Speaker 1: for sure. But yeah, what, I'm glad we're finally talking regardless.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that I admire the

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Speaker 1: most about you is through your platforms, your socials, your podcasts,

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Speaker 1: everything you do, you really keep it real with your audience.

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Speaker 1: And that's how I am. I think so many women

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Speaker 1: so important for you to have that level of realness

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Speaker 2: You know, I got into social media very late. I

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Speaker 2: it's who I've always been. I think if you know me,

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Speaker 2: you know me and you know, like kind of half goofy,

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Speaker 2: half serious. I'm a Gemini, so I you know, I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you what to do, how to do it, and

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Speaker 2: Oh God Lord help less. I think I've always been

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Speaker 2: Like I would be like, okay, like what do you

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Speaker 2: I've never been like a gatekeeper. I've never been I've

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Speaker 1: I love that kind of a woman. I love it.

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Speaker 2: That's where it lives to go. And m actually came

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Speaker 2: from I do it with my best friend who lives

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Speaker 2: because it's just that like kind of like inside scoop.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I am who I am. I think

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Speaker 2: to pretend that I'm not like this. Yes, to be

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Speaker 2: really dreadful. But yeah, no, I think I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just think I've always been like this.

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Speaker 1: You're just authentic.

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Speaker 2: I try to be I try to be transparent. I

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Speaker 2: think you know. Listen, you learn a lot as your twenties,

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Speaker 2: I don't need a hundred pennies as long as you

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Speaker 2: know I've got four quarters. Like I think, I invest

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Speaker 2: but you also have to invest in them. They'll invest

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Speaker 2: you know, for me?

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Speaker 1: I do I get that sense to on your social

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Speaker 1: I do A friend? Are you to other people?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: What role do you take on with your friends?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Lord, I'm like the I'm like the cruise director.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm the cruise director. I definitely have

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Speaker 2: I'm like a fucking vault I can really keep a secret.

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Speaker 2: But I expect my friends to actually keep a secret

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Speaker 2: how we can be together, how we can pull it off,

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Speaker 2: like you know. And it's very hard because I remember

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Speaker 2: who are all these people? We were in Morocco I

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Speaker 2: celebrated my fifty and she's great, she's great. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 2: her name's Annie. I was like, Annie, I don't just

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Speaker 2: have people, you know, I don't just have friends from

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Speaker 1: Do you keep each of those friendships kind of like

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Speaker 1: compartmentalized in their own boxes. Yeah, for this fiftieth. It

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was so fun because we're all so different,

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Speaker 2: celebrated a culmination of all those years and friendships. And

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Speaker 2: you know my girlfriend from Australia who I I met

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Speaker 1: It's so great when you because I'm kind of like

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Like two of my girlfriend just visited me and

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Speaker 2: we were college roommates at Vanderbilt. She has spent spring

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Speaker 2: I was like what I mean? But she made like

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Speaker 2: I'm very much a connector like I you know, it's

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Speaker 2: actually one of my biggest pet peeves, not inclusivity. I

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Speaker 2: I'm not clique. I was never clicking in school, definitely

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Speaker 2: want my friends to be friends separate to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more fun, it's it's fine cool when the

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Speaker 1: world's come. Do you believe in a best friend? You

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Speaker 1: have like one best friend? Because I'm I've always struggled

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Speaker 2: I have two. I have Emma sn Michelle, I do.

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Speaker 1: Because I always feel so weird.

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Speaker 2: Like different people fill different buckets. So right, like you

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Speaker 2: from Megan or I don't get from me me or

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Speaker 2: I don't get from you know, certain women, right, like

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Speaker 2: and I fulfill certain buckets in their lives, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: we just so happen, you know with Amasha with the podcast.

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Speaker 2: You know, we went through some pretty gnarly medical things together,

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Speaker 2: and you know that that bonds you in different ways. Right,

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Speaker 2: But knowing you know, someone knowing me since I was seventeen, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's value in that as well.

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Speaker 1: Oh sure, those long standing relationships are so valuable. Yeah

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Speaker 1: for me, Like if you have a long standing relationship

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Speaker 2: It's like the roller coaster of your life.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: You did a great job.

430
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: Thank you. You know, it was really important to me

431
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: at you know, a certain point in my life that

432
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: I you know, I just I wanted to be a

433
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: part of something from inception, not just at the end.

434
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, I love my kids, and

435
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: I love my books that I read, but to be

436
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: part to see something through and with the production company,

437
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: something happy. It happened off of a fluke, right like

438
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: I was writing a I was writing a second book.

439
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 2: I needed two organizers. I found a cold called these

440
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: women on Instagram called the Home Edit Cleia and Joanna.

441
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 2: It happened very organically. I'm like, I don't really pay

442
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: people for content. I don't even know like what this is,

443
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: but if you want to come out, I'll use it

444
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 2: and you can use the content. They're like done. They

445
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: were in my pantry, arguing, laughing, killing each other, and

446
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: like I said to my husband outside I'm like, these

447
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: two bitches could I mean, they could have their own show,

448
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: Like I don't even know what's going on in there.

449
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: And they came out and I was like, I know

450
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 2: this is gonna sound weird, but I think you always

451
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: really have something. I'm not an organizer, but anyway, I

452
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: helped them get an agent. We sold it to Reese Witherspoon.

453
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: We re got it back recent I figured it out,

454
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: we got it back, we sold it to Netflix. And

455
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: that's kind of how my own producing and I would

456
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: always read for my husband. Then I, you know, just

457
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: kept reading. I don't know, like I always wanted to

458
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 2: be part of something, and I always felt like which

459
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: I would have come up with that idea or And

460
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: I was always really good at I'm still good at.

461
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 2: I'm still good at like spotting people trends, like I'm

462
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: good with like, eh, that's gonna work, right, Like even

463
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: if like they're like that is not gonna work, That's

464
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: gonna work. K eighteen. I got a little thing in

465
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 2: the mail from Australia. It was called Kate Hair Prep.

466
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: Some sample. I don't even know. I d m the company.

467
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, I really like your sample. They're like oh,

468
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 2: we're in the middle of a restructure. We're renaming our company.

469
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, whatever, I don't even look at samples.

470
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: This was like this month K eighteen, you know, biggest

471
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 2: one of the biggest investments partnerships I ever did. I'm

472
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: good at that, but I don't know. I wanted. I

473
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: wanted something on my own. And that's how Wise came about.

474
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 2: I had a skin problem and I looked at the

475
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: white space and like, why is everything that's really ugly

476
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: and derm and really strong and fucks with your barrier?

477
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: And then why is everything else cool and fun but

478
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 2: doesn't really have the effica see for someone like me.

479
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: It's given me a lot of pride to answer your question.

480
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: It has given me. I've pulled from every part of

481
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: my life. I've pulled from taking chances and being like

482
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 2: this is never gonna work. To fake it till you

483
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: make it. We're amazing, right. I think my girlfriend sent

484
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: me this. She sent me this this text the other day,

485
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: and it was like, you are going to win because

486
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: you're an absolute psychopath. No one can keep up with

487
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: you know, you have to kind of like believe. And

488
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I've pulled from sports, being on a team,

489
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: potting people together. First thing I ask is how to

490
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: well do you work with people? Are you a team player?

491
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: Do you give grace with other people? Would you buy

492
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: them a coffee if you're standing in line? I asked

493
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: the weirdest questions during an interview. But yes, very long answer,

494
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: but I've pulled from every aspect of my life.

495
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: You said Fluke before, do you feel like, having come

496
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: from modeling and acting and known to be a beautiful

497
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: supermodel blonde, do you feel like when women start their

498
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: own business, especially with somebody with your history, do you

499
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: feel like they are less apt to take you seriously?

500
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: Did you ever well? I mean when that's whole my

501
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: whole life, right, Like I was a code hanger, right,

502
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: I was someone who you know, they didn't know I was.

503
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: I went to Vanderbilt, I was a name, I was

504
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: a number. I put on tennis shoes, walk two miles,

505
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: flipped through my book, didn't even make eye contact with me.

506
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 2: Very disrespectful thanks by. You know, I've always tried to

507
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: prove myself. No one really even knows. It's my audition

508
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: for Las Vegas with Gary Scott Thompson. I was like Okay,

509
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: I want to be taken serious. Okay, so I didn't

510
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: wear any makeup. I think I wore like like a

511
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: flip flop sandle a T shirt and jeans and listen.

512
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: Gary was amazing, but he called my agent. He was like,

513
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: does she want to like do that? Does she want

514
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: to be pretty? Like? Does she? I just wanted people

515
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: to take me serious, right, So that's that lives in me.

516
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: Whether I start a company at fifty, whether I start

517
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: something at forty, I think it lives in most women.

518
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: It's like what do you got to what do you

519
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: have to prove? Right Like? For me, you know, that

520
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: has always been likeugh, you're just pretty. You're not You're

521
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: not smart, You're you're pretty. Oh sweetie, bless her heart,

522
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: bless her heart. So listen. That will always forever be

523
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: with me. You know, when someone tells me no, I

524
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: turn it into a yes. You know. It's just that's

525
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: how I've always had to exist from right like, otherwise

526
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: I'll figure it out.

527
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody else is going to call your shots and

528
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: point to your trajectory rather than you doing what you

529
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: want to be doing and taking that risk like we

530
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: talked about before, and it is.

531
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: Hard to take that risk. A lot of people, you know,

532
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,239
Speaker 2: we put down. Like I was reading this whole thing

533
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: on Tom Brady and I'm like, good lord, how could

534
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: you put him down? He's like, it's nine Champion, super

535
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: Bowl whatever people are going to I don't know what it's.

536
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: I don't know it, but I'm just saying it's very,

537
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: very hard to put yourself out there and anything that

538
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: you do. And that's why sometimes with Instagram or you know,

539
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: with TikTok or with social I think the takedown is

540
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: so brutal, and so I find it truly awful that

541
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: what some women have to deal with, it's what I

542
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: have to deal with. I'm like, well, you know, I'm

543
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: instagram away from getting canceled, you know, because I'm like, oh,

544
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: you're gonna make somebody mad. You.

545
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: I love the way you do put stuff out there

546
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: that is against the norm of like parenting, like the

547
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: proper parenting perspective at a kid opinion. You know, you

548
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: lay it out there because it's real, like what you're

549
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: dealing with. You have three kids. I have three kids.

550
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: We know it's the best and the worst job you

551
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: could ever yes.

552
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: Of course, and it's like, you know, someone said to

553
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: me like, oh, don't let them know. You know, you

554
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: have seventy four passy fairies. I'm like, like, I really

555
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: don't think he's going to go to college with it.

556
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: So you know, maybe he did it a little longer

557
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: and we're gonna have some bad teeth. But you know,

558
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: I try to put things in perspective and to meet

559
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: each kid where they are and to not be judged

560
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: because I do helicopter. I want to know where they

561
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: are when they are, you know, and I'm trying to

562
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 2: go against it.

563
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: I love that you're an admitted helicopter. She too, I'm too.

564
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: I don't call it helicopter, per se. I call it.

565
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's another a better?

566
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: What was it? Funny? It was so funny. It was like,

567
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: I am a mom who advocates. I'm an advocating mom.

568
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: That sounds professional, but I do know.

569
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: I get in there with them, you know, like.

570
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: What how old your oldest twelve? Twelve?

571
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: Okayah, Because he was like the other day he was like, Mom,

572
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I have hair. And I was like,

573
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: She's like, you gotta look, and I was like, let

574
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: me get my glasses. You know, I'm like, I think

575
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: I think I see a hair, right, like, you know,

576
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: my so of my friends would be mortified. Like again

577
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: it's everybody's like He's like, he doesn't care. I don't care.

578
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,719
Speaker 2: But yes, I was like, I think I see a hair. Listen,

579
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: that will change very quickly, right, it's just you know development,

580
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: it's it's where you were going. But it was pretty sweet.

581
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: He's like, do you see anything? I think I see someone,

582
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: you know? Like it was just really sweet. And you know,

583
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: some people are like, oh my god, you're crazy, but

584
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: who cares. I don't care.

585
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, enjoy that openness now. It's great that they

586
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: and you know what I had always had people tell me, oh,

587
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: look out, you know, you have three daughters and they're

588
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: going to turn into teenagers someday and then you know

589
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna have so much trouble. And I would always say,

590
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: you don't know me, you don't know my family. I

591
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: don't need to take that advice on because I don't.

592
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: I don't believe in it, Like I feel like I

593
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: can do it however I want, and that sort of

594
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: seems how you're doing it too, which is yeawful.

595
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: I mean, one couple of them, I end up in prison.

596
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: But my mean we're you know, we're we're no, no, no,

597
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: I'm being funny, but no, I definitely listen. I do.

598
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: I speak to an amazing therapist Broun when Charlton she's

599
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: with the Liza Pressman. They have an incredible company. Yeah,

600
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: I I do listen. I do listen to the older moms.

601
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: Like we got to interview Jonathan Hay, you know about

602
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 2: being a helicopter mom. It's the worst guy to me,

603
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: you know, and him being like, let him go to

604
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: CHIPOTLEI like, I always think of him because we moved

605
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 2: west of the Palisades and there's a little ice cream

606
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: shop and I'm like, I'm gonna let him go to

607
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: the ice cream shop on his own walk there no

608
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: social no iPhone, no contact. He's gonna go and I'm

609
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: not gonna know where he is. Like, but I will

610
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 2: say my older mom friends have actually helped me because

611
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: you kind of learn and you see what they do, right, Like,

612
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: do you let them, you know, go here? Do you

613
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: let them take an uber? Do you let them have

614
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: a phone. We don't have phones or anything yet, but

615
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: listen it all, there's no right way. There's there's no

616
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: one way.

617
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: No, isn't. It's whatever works for you. It's whatever works,

618
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: and I don't really care what other people think of

619
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: whatever works for me. I know it's kind of you

620
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: have to go about it. What's the okay having these

621
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: this age bracket kids and a marriage, happy marriage, you

622
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: have a profession, you're very you know, you're you're diversified.

623
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: Let's say, do you ever lie to your kids?

624
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: Yes?

625
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: I love that, not a pause.

626
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: Yes, you know I do. I lie per se. I'm

627
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 2: very careful of meeting them where they are. I did

628
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: mess up with my twelve year old, and I learned listen.

629
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: It was a moment. It was during COVID Kobe had

630
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: passed away. He asked me I could not tell him

631
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: about the daughter about his I could not, and he

632
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: he was so offended. He was like, I can't believe everybody. No,

633
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: like you didn't tell me. I honestly could not tell him.

634
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: I was so emotional. But I learned that a certain

635
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 2: level of honesty is really important with these kids. They

636
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: want to know that you're telling them. So it's not

637
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: that I per se lie, but I tell them where

638
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: what they need to know based on where they are right.

639
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: If something is bad that they don't need to know it.

640
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: Why would I put that on them? Now, other people

641
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: would say opposite, and that is to each his own.

642
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: But it's kind of hard to differentiate between what is

643
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: out of their you know, not age appropriate for them.

644
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: It's are about especially now. I mean you said your

645
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: kids don't have phones yet, so they're not on the

646
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: social media. But like just the news, just if they

647
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: walk in the room and the news is on, They're

648
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: being exposed to so much.

649
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 2: It's tricky. That's why we don't have the news on anymore, Jinny.

650
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: In our own I love UNBC, the Today Show, and

651
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: I love CBS, but we don't have it on because

652
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: they listen. Yeah, listen. I'm on the cusp of everybody

653
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: knowing everything because there is access, and like it was

654
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: interesting even with the election. Brooks would be like, oh,

655
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: I know that about Trump or oh I know that

656
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: about Biden, and I was, yeah, they know, they know

657
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: more than you think. They know that. I've learned any

658
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: you know, the second grader, he's gonna put me over.

659
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, he told the sixth grader the

660
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: other day he didn't think her presentation was very good.

661
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 2: And then she wasn't going to win president. I'm like, listen,

662
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: Mark Cuban on your what are you Mark Cuban on

663
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 2: Church Tank? You know what I mean? Like, who are you?

664
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: Here's my poor husband right there. Hi, by the way,

665
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: just so you know, he's wearing my Wise eyebatches. Just

666
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: for the record, people always good, he doesn't and he does.

667
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: Wait, I want to talk to you about Wise. You'll

668
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: have your own beauty brand, Wise, which I spelled why

669
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: s e.

670
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 2: Y se beauty Wise to be wise, to know something

671
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 2: you didn't know before.

672
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: I love that. I think there's just such a huge

673
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: misconception out there about when people like you and I

674
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: start brands and companies that were not working hard, but

675
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: it just hops like because of our name or whatever. Like, girl,

676
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: tell us how many?

677
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: Tell us?

678
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: How many knows you got? Like to how what have

679
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: been your biggest obstacles to get into Wise?

680
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 2: Oh? I mean everything everything starts with no yeah until

681
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 2: I turn it into a yes.

682
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: How do you turn things into a yes? Like that?

683
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: Why? I just don't stop. I mean, I just I

684
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: just accept it. I'm just like, oh, well, I'll figure it.

685
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: I'll come back to you right Like there was a

686
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: paid agency I really wanted, and there were like this

687
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: one famous business woman, she's amazing. She was like, they're

688
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 2: never going to take you. And I was like, oh really.

689
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: I was like, you think so, and I was like

690
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: it just bothered me and bothered me and bothered me.

691
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yes they will. I don't know.

692
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: I pivot, I work really hard. I'm big picture, so important,

693
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: I'm good under pressure. I find the positive and a

694
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: lot probably the best thing about me. And I was

695
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: saying this to a CFO a few minutes ago, I go,

696
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: but I listen, I listen, I don't. I think a

697
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: lot of founders put people around them that they want

698
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: them to say yes to, like they want to hear yes.

699
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: I put people around me who are smarter than me,

700
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: who challenge me, who go against me. I think that's

701
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: a little more like. My mom was like that. My

702
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: dad was like that, a little left of center. I

703
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: don't want to be the CEO of my company. I

704
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: should not be the zaman. I can act like it

705
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: in every form, but I need someone to be smarter

706
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: than me and no more than me.

707
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think for me that was so important too,

708
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: and recognizing that I want to be surrounded by people

709
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: that are better than me, smarter than me, more accomplished

710
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: than me.

711
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 2: You know, I think too, like from modeling to hosting,

712
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 2: to acting to producing to you know, being an entrepreneur.

713
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: I will say, and maybe it's a gem and I

714
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: and me, but I'm honestly really curious. Like when we

715
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: have livest on the rim and we'll have like a

716
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: Jonathan hate like Emasen, I will be taking pages of notes, right,

717
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 2: you know, when she's doing her spring must have I'm like, girl,

718
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: like I don't even know what her spring, but like

719
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: I'm taking I'm actually genuinely curious. And I think it

720
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: helps to be curious, absolutely, to be curious, to have passion,

721
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: and to believe that those are really important things.

722
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, to believe in yourself so important. I love that

723
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: message that you you put out there.

724
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: And you know, to work with like, you know, I

725
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: think the hardest thing for me starting a company is that,

726
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 2: you know, when you when you're in startup mode, it's

727
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: very different. You're like, oh, the people who start with

728
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: you won't end with you. And I'm like, well, of

729
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: course you're going to end with me, Like where are

730
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: they going to go?

731
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: You know?

732
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 2: When you soon realize that you know, you're different objectives

733
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: and where you need to be, whether it's retail, wholesale,

734
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: different needs of the company, and and that that's been

735
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: a little like stomach churning for me to be able

736
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: to make those decisions and to leave people that I

737
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 2: really enjoyed working with.

738
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: It's hard, that's hard to do.

739
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a loyal person. Oh girl, I'm so low.

740
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: I'm long, but I'm getting better. I'm getting better, and

741
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be boundaried. And you know they're always like, well,

742
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: you don't have to be on the exit. I was like, no,

743
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: I do.

744
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: It's important.

745
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's important to me right now and if

746
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: I can still handle it later on, it's important to me.

747
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: Like I think how you start and how you you know,

748
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: how you wind is a lot of times better than

749
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: how you start.

750
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely learning so much along the way you have.

751
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: I feel like after fifty you're just like going off,

752
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: like you're really coming into your own somehow. I know

753
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: I feel like that with myself, but I feel that

754
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: from you, and I love watching you. I think your

755
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: social media is hilarious. You make me chuckle. You're just

756
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: killing it. I'm just really happy for you.

757
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: Thank you, You're back at you girl. I mean, you know,

758
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 2: I think it's you know, my invention is a really

759
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: hard thing, right because I'm not the twenty five year

760
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: old Victoria Secrets model that walks you know, I'm just

761
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: I'm not that girl right between us. Like, yes, of

762
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: course it's it's fun to go back and reminisce, but yeah,

763
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 2: I don't really want to be that girl anymore, you know,

764
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: but it is it's very hard to reinvent. It's very

765
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: hard to you know, I think with the company. You know,

766
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: I had a massive skin color malasma, hyperpigmentation. So it

767
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: was something that I was organically trying to figure out

768
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: myself because I was so insecure with my skin and

769
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: you know, coming from this world where everything depends on

770
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: what you look like, you know, having those years in

771
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: my forties having to not be baked per se, but

772
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: definitely being specific about the sun and pregnancy and hormones

773
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: and you know, patches, and just figuring out the mess

774
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: that I had created and getting out of that that

775
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: really took a toll on my psyche, right because you know,

776
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: you kind of I kind of had led with what

777
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: I look like, right, and so you know, then you're pregnant,

778
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: then you're going into the hospital at two hundred and

779
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: four pounds, and then you have a thyrop problem, and

780
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: then you have a skill like life starts to get

781
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: very layered, shall I say? But yeah, reinvention. You know,

782
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: I think for anyone listening be okay with change, you know. Yeah,

783
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: it's not easy.

784
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: Before I let you go, though, I have to ask you,

785
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: Molly Sims, what was your last I choose me moment?

786
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: I think I choose It's gonna even cry, It's okay.

787
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: I think instead of I choose me, I chose us.

788
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: What does that mean to you?

789
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: Just having that, you know, the beginning of being able

790
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: to say no to things, to say yes to us,

791
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: to say yes to me, to I choose me to.

792
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: You know, that's not going to really work for me

793
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: right now. And those are really hard words because I

794
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: love I'm from the South. I love to please everyone. Yeah,

795
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: and you know I've lost some friends along the way

796
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: because I really couldn't do any more than what I

797
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: was doing. You know. I think with COVID, the fires,

798
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: you know, losing my mom and dad, I cautiously had

799
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: to take a step back to choose me.

800
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, how does that feel?

801
00:45:53,760 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: I mean uncomfortable? You know really, you know, I you know,

802
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: I love when people be like, oh, she's not going

803
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: to do that. Like Michael, who's my publicist on this

804
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: podcast listening right now, He's like, you know what, she's

805
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: going to not do it right now, We're going to

806
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: revisit this, and like I was like, oh God, I

807
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you for saying that, you know, like

808
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 2: just really trying to choose me, right, like having people

809
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: around me that help me choose me because if not,

810
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I'll just be like, oh I'll

811
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: help you do okay, Yeah, no worries, just call me.

812
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: I'll interview like oh, well, you know I but at

813
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: choosing me has been a life saver in a lot

814
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 2: of ways because there's only so much I can do.

815
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: I have to be there for my kids. I only

816
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: have so much band with. But it takes a lot

817
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: of honesty, right, it takes a lot of And I

818
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: used to do this as like when I would work

819
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 2: and come like I'm sure you did, when you would

820
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 2: come off a show, or you'd come off a stint,

821
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: or you'd come off you know, six weeks, ten weeks,

822
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: three months, you know, because you did network television, so

823
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: you were on what twenty three twenty four episodes. It

824
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: was yearly, year round, right, So when you go on

825
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: those marathon runs and you stop, it's like, hey, you

826
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: don't even know what to do with yourself. No, and

827
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: b you know, for you then you had three young

828
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: girls with Peter and both of your like, it just

829
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: it gets crazy. Yeah, it's crazy, and then life happens

830
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: on top of it. So I think I choose me.

831
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 2: I've chosen me. I choose me in those moments because

832
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: I have to do.

833
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: You feel like it's you choosing to reconnect with yourself

834
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: and your truth instead.

835
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: Of yeah, yeah, we just level it out, we least

836
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: balance it, we balance it out, We kind of start

837
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: back to zero, you know. I did I do acupuncture

838
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: and I'm like, girl, I was like, I don't know,

839
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: I can't sleep anymore. I'm like sweat and like and

840
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: I was like, you know all the things that you're

841
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: going through, and I was like, I was like, You've

842
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: got to help me. I'm like, I just can't sleep. Literally,

843
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: like in thirty seconds, she left my room. I was like,

844
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 2: I was like snoring right, Like I just needed someone

845
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: to like just call me. That has been really good

846
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: for me in my sense of just sense of getting

847
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 2: back grounded and just have it again. That's an hour

848
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 2: and fifteen minutes just for me. I took a walk

849
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: the other day and I'm like, I'm not going to

850
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: go to that sports thing and they were so upseting.

851
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: What do you mean, what do you mean you're not

852
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: gonna go. I'm like, kids, Mom's gonna take a walk

853
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Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna call you. I'm not gonna talk

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Speaker 2: to you. I don't don't care how you do. I'm

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Speaker 2: just gonna go take a walk. You know. But those

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Speaker 2: check ins are important.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to listen to your needs. You gotta

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Speaker 1: put yourself first some time. And I'm so happy to

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Speaker 1: hear that you're doing that because it's vital.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being very amazing. I love you. We

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Speaker 2: love your path. I sit to the kids and I'm

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Speaker 2: like getting to talk to Kelly today, you know, because

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Speaker 2: they my kids. You're obsessed with anything nineties, I mean,

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Speaker 2: obsess so fun. It's so fun to go back and

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Speaker 2: to you know, see it with them. My girlfriend was

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Speaker 2: just here. She did miss congeniality. She was Miss Texas

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Speaker 2: and Scirl that was like the redheaded one. Oh yes,

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Speaker 2: and she was like, you're miss Texas. It's just so cute.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love that they know about the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Good job, oh yeah girl, the nineties.

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Speaker 1: Or everything, the best of the best. Well, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to let you go. I want you to have a

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Speaker 1: great day.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm just happy that you're

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Speaker 2: okay and through this you likewise, you know crazy time

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Speaker 2: that we're all in right now, and from our mouth

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Speaker 2: to God's ears, we're all going to be okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we've got each other.

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Speaker 2: We do. You're the best. We love you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Molly. Bye.