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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Papa's Perspective. It's brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store and

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Speaker 1: Mattress partner of the New York Giants. As we welcome

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Speaker 1: you into the Hockensack Meridian podcast studio, Keep getting Better

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Speaker 1: Bob Pop along with former Giant Romanovan, Welcome to the.

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Speaker 2: Show, my man, Good to see you, man.

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Speaker 3: It was good to be back home.

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Speaker 1: Drafted by the Giants way back in nineteen ninety six,

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Speaker 1: he played in the National Football You win a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and now you got

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Speaker 1: a killer job with the NFL, the VP of Football Development.

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Speaker 1: It's been quite a journey for you, hasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it has. It was geez, it was ten years ago.

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Speaker 3: It was the twenty fourteen season. I think Charles Way

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Speaker 3: had left to go work in player engagement, and then

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Speaker 3: I had circled my resume a little bit. I wanted

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Speaker 3: to kind of be an administrator and get in the

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Speaker 3: business of sports, and there was an opportunity to walk

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Speaker 3: in as director of Health and Safety. So you know,

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Speaker 3: ten years ago, we're really dealing with the concussion issues

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Speaker 3: and the negative health and safety narrative on football, and

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Speaker 3: so trying to see how how clubs and partners and

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Speaker 3: everyone could just talk differently about about youth football. And

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Speaker 3: that's kind of how I grew through the ranks and

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Speaker 3: now I'm doing with college outreach and all types of

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Speaker 3: other stuff. But it's good work. It's good work. It's

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Speaker 3: good to be be a teammate on this side of

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Speaker 3: life with people like Kevin Booth and John Running. You

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Speaker 3: got a bunch of old linemen over there, so it's

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Speaker 3: a it's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: That must mean something, right, So you come to the

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Speaker 1: Giants and you took advantage of an opportunity because the

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Speaker 1: Giants had an arrangement with FDU like right to Continue Education.

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Speaker 1: Who were some of the people that influenced you early

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Speaker 1: to get you on a path to start preparing for

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Speaker 1: life after football when you were first getting into football.

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Speaker 3: I think when you look at obviously childhood, I mean

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Speaker 3: I was raised with a single mom and education was

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Speaker 3: important and you know when I but when I got here,

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Speaker 3: I looked at bart Oates was getting his law degree

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Speaker 3: at Seaton Hall. You know, you know, George Martin was

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Speaker 3: involved and FTERU was where the Giants had training camp

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Speaker 3: up until my rookie year was the first year in Albany,

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Speaker 3: and so the guys that the Giants drafted typically were

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Speaker 3: guys that could deal with the complexity in New York,

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Speaker 3: had other interests, and that was all welcomed, you know.

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Speaker 3: So I was really it was really fortunate that I

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Speaker 3: so I wasn't ready to run the Florida or Texas

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Speaker 3: I lived here, I stayed here, so I was more

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Speaker 3: able to just be involved in community. And I was

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Speaker 3: a fit ye senior in college, and so going to

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Speaker 3: grad school at FDU was just a way to like

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Speaker 3: continue in that college schedule where you go to class

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Speaker 3: You can't go out every night, and the city you

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Speaker 3: got to do other stuff. But now it was great

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Speaker 3: and you never knew. I didn't know back then, and

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Speaker 3: he played here for a couple years. Two Ryan Keele.

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Speaker 3: Me and Ryan Keele were the only two guys like

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Speaker 3: in a ten year span that got our master's degrees

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Speaker 3: like during our career. So we were looking at it

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Speaker 2: You know, on that on that track, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: your role now is VP of Development with the National

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Speaker 2: Football League tying it into your experiences as a player,

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Speaker 2: because I think it's really important that the league continues

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Speaker 2: to add more and more former players.

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Speaker 1: Within the management part of the league because you guys

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Speaker 1: actually understand the challenges that players face or dynamics that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when you look at just let's say

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Speaker 3: I mean significant changes just in the last four years.

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Speaker 1: When you were talking about your fifth year senior, and

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Speaker 1: when you were a fifth year senior, you would have

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Speaker 1: been getting paid.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I would have taken that. I would

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Speaker 3: have taken five hundred bucks in college. I don't know

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Speaker 3: It's called the SEC, it's called the Big Ten, it's

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Speaker 3: sure we've got a good positive relationship with college. You know,

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Speaker 3: we we do meet on rules, engagement, injury data. You know,

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Speaker 3: what's a targeting in college is a finding the NFL.

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Speaker 3: And so how do you make sure these these some

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Speaker 3: what got him there. And so the teaching and the

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Speaker 3: has a better identity, has a better understanding of as

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Speaker 3: I mean it's a different type of guy now. I

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Speaker 3: mean if an average guy it's probably making eight ten

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Speaker 3: You're not average of being in the NFL, but a

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Speaker 3: a good thing and so but you got to start

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Speaker 3: that discussion in college. So if you're recruiting someone to

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Speaker 3: hy and this is what we I mean, that's a

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Speaker 3: part of the discussion as it is where's the academic building,

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Speaker 3: it's it's the money discussion is a part of the

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Speaker 3: It's been great work. And I think having a football

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Speaker 2: So you wore several jerseys.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned, you want a super Bowl with the

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers originally though drafted by the Giants. What

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Speaker 1: does this organization meant to you when you think about

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Speaker 3: You know, I just remember. The first thing I would

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Speaker 3: And it was my second year in the league, and

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Speaker 3: he goes, good luck Roman and and he'd never said

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Speaker 3: I think I gave up two games. So I avoided

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Speaker 3: Don't talk to me. But I think the you know,

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Speaker 3: in DC, like people only hate the Cowboys and the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: No one hates the Giants. People respect the Giants. People

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Speaker 3: So being a part of that when you walk down

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Speaker 3: obviously that the teams that won the championships before the integration,

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Speaker 3: So one year Dan Reeves, first three years of Fossile

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Speaker 3: obviously they wanted it again three years later. But the

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Speaker 3: organization means a lot to me. I mean, I met

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Speaker 1: It's interesting being from d C, right, but your root

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Speaker 3: Rooted for me, but they never rooted for the Giants,

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Speaker 1: So what was it like for you?

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Speaker 2: I know you didn't win a Super Bowl with the Giants, but.

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Speaker 1: It had been a little bit of a drought with

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Speaker 1: clinching the NFC East by beating Washington. Yeah, in Giants Stadium.

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Speaker 1: What was that like for you to win as a Giant?

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Speaker 1: I mean it was only year two of your career,

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Speaker 1: but did you sort of get a little taste of Okay,

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Speaker 3: About, oh, one hundred percent. And then obviously I grew

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Speaker 3: as a player. You know. John Randall moved from D

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Speaker 3: and I had to play against John Randall. So I

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Speaker 3: remember before the national anthem, he found a way to stand.

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Speaker 3: And then coach masks like, just don't look at him,

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Speaker 3: and the whole week was like, oh, it's about this

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Speaker 3: John Randall thing. I was like, because I'm a little shorter.

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Speaker 3: I'm only six', four AND i would watch film like

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Speaker 3: this guy would have worked those long. Tackles i'm, Like

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Speaker 3: i'm only two in just tall to, him so he's

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