1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where Nina Chimes and our Seahawks 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: got revenge eleven years later. 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: It's NFL Daily, our first show after the Super Bowl, 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: and this is going to be a tradition. 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: Nina. We had bo Wolf on on. 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: The first show after the Eagles won last year, and 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: I want to have someone who can just revel in 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: their team winning the Super Bowl and provide great analysis. 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on during a time of the year. 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're ready to go hibernate. 12 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 3: That's okay, glad to be here. I was at Disneyland 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 3: all day yesterday, yes which was really fun actually because 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 3: I've never seen the whole MVP parade moment, and we 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: were on set, like on Main Street, and the parade 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 3: float was like literally coming up to our set, which 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 3: was a very cool experience. And then Darnold and Walker, 18 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 3: who's the actual MVP, joined the show, and so that 19 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: was a very special moment that I was excited to 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 3: see firsthand. But I am also excited to just kind 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 3: of to remble in it because I have really because 22 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: I went live right after the game and Ben and 23 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 3: I were trying to break down everything that happened, but 24 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 3: I haven't had a chance to take it all in. 25 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted. I wanted to start there at Disneyland. 26 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: I should have said that, Yeah, this this show, maybe 27 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: the Chris Westling podcast studio which you taped from on 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: Sunday Night. 29 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: We'll get to that. 30 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: Maybe that was the happiest place on Earth Sunday night. 31 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: I guess not, though, because it's a different vibe when 32 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: you have to work right afterwards. 33 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: But what is that like? 34 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: What was it like for you at Disneyland, because you're 35 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: there in a professional capacity, but it's also like your 36 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: team and it's Darnold and it's Walker. It's a it's 37 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: a coold moment professionally and as a family. 38 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 3: I would imagine my kid was also there for the 39 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: first time. Wow, I came by and actually met my teammate, 40 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: like my NFL Live cast members, which was a very 41 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 3: That was actually probably the moment of the day for 42 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: me personally, but it was called. The other thing I'll 43 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: say is there was just so many Seahawks fans there. 44 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 3: I always wondered about how that works per se, right, 45 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 3: Like if you're a fan of a team, when do 46 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 3: you decide to go to Disneyland because you're not booking 47 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 3: that trip like that feels like Hubris I enjoy so 48 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 3: And yeah, it was very overrun. It felt like you 49 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 3: could speak to this too. San Francisco was just overwhelmingly 50 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: Seahawks fans, and obviously it's yeah, it's pretty close to 51 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 3: San Francisco and that makes a difference. But all week 52 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: long we were at the pier and it felt like 53 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 3: an eighty to twenty Seahawks to Patriots ratio behind us. 54 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: I didn't feel it during the week as much, maybe 55 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: just because of where we were downtown, like it just 56 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: seemed like there was plenty of both. But I cannot 57 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: remember a stadium for the post game MVP and Lombardy presentation. 58 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 2: That was that packed and that loud. 59 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: It felt like no one had left, especially at the 60 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: ends of the stadium. It was like three quarters still 61 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: full and you've been there. 62 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 4: Uh. 63 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: I believe for various Super Bowls afterwards, like usually that 64 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: that thing clears out so much and it's just it's 65 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: just like the Bottom Bowl and the die hards. But 66 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: everyone was reveling in it, and it was obvious I'm 67 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: sure from the TV copy, like how it was just 68 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: all Seahawks fans at the game like it was the 69 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: saddest Super Bowl. I mean, the saddest touchdown maybe in 70 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: NFL history. My wife Emica, who was there, was that 71 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: Remandre touchdown at the end because like the shocks fans 72 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: didn't didn't care by the end, but no Patriots. 73 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: Fans that were even still left. I saw some leaving. 74 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: We're cheering, So it was just like a totally silent, 75 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: terrible touchdown moment. 76 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: The yeah, the Touchdow. It's funny because people have been 77 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: asking me like when did you know? And I've been 78 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 3: giving like like actually really early in the game, but 79 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: I mean disrespect it was pretty obvious. But the other 80 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: thing I've been at is like, did you get nervous 81 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 3: at all when they scored? And I was like, well, 82 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: after Mike Rabel didn't go two, I thought, uh, just kidding, 83 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 3: but it was in it. It was such an interesting drive, 84 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 3: right Greg, because Greg Drake May hit like the two 85 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: best throws of the entire game by either corterrac on 86 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 3: that drive and then comes back out and there was 87 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: a small part to me that thought, if May scores 88 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: again here and he's actually like they've like turned it up. 89 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 3: He could be a legend, like I'd be crazy come back. 90 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 3: But I also thought those were both two pretty low 91 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: percentage throws. One was into like traveler, like five guys 92 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 3: in the middle of field and he hits Hollins on 93 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: the m breaker. And then the other one was just 94 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 3: a go ball right against Woollan. But it was a 95 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: great throw, great catch, contested whatnot. I just thought the 96 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 3: likelihood of them doing it again was very low, and 97 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 3: that proved to be the case because he turned it 98 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 3: over the next drive. I'm trying the same to hit 99 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: the same part of the field too, you. 100 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: Know, I won I want to get into the game 101 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: of it all, like was it a good game? That 102 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: is interesting because it was definitely my fandom. That probably 103 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: made me feel differently that since it just kept being 104 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 1: two scores and the Patriots defense kept playing so well, 105 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: I just kept thinking, I've watched enough games where it's 106 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: like two scores and the team that should be winning 107 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: by forty like often let the other team come back. 108 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 3: You know, went through my head because I was I 109 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: covered the Falcons pat super Bowl twenty eighty two, and 110 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: I was in the press box for that game planning 111 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 3: on like what piece I would write, and you know, 112 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: staying till the end when the Patriots started coming back 113 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: in that game. One of the things that made me 114 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: think it was possible was how much Atlanta's defense had 115 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: been on the field or very because hilariously, hilariously of 116 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: your Falcons fan, I'm sorry, you're like, why the hell 117 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: are you bringing this up? The Falcons scored too fast 118 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,119 Speaker 3: in those games and the time of possession. I remember 119 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: checking the time of possession and thinking like, that's not good, right, 120 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: Like this is a tired defense. Whereas Seattle, while the 121 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: offense it was not their best day, particularly the passing attack. 122 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: Of course, they were able to put together some drives, 123 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 3: and Seattle was just getting off the field so quickly 124 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: every time that I thought, Okay, they're still fresh. The 125 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: other thing about the Seahawks pass rush is that they've 126 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: got waves of guys, so you know, you're able to 127 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 3: mix it up and substitute. And I just didn't feel 128 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: that same panic about the defense that I did. Obviously 129 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 3: it was also much better defense in Atlanta, but yeah, 130 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: I think just that was something that occurred to me 131 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: watching the game. I don't think I checked the time possession, 132 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: but I remember thinking like, I don't think they're tired 133 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: right now. 134 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: They were winning the total plays battle too, which to 135 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: me is even more telling than time of possession pretty 136 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: significantly even at halftime, and then it got worse. You're right, 137 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: they really felt it, like the punt on fourth and 138 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: one and really just the three and out to start 139 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: the second half, even though I was holding out hope, 140 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: like still while like it stayed two scores until like 141 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: basically the moment may fumbled at twelve nothing and then 142 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: they cast that in. 143 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: I was still holding up hope. 144 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: When they came out a halftime and just went three 145 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: and out, I was like, Okay, it's probably not happening. 146 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: I sort of convinced myself like maybe they come out 147 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: in the second half and it's gonna be different, And 148 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: it brings up a larger question. 149 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of. 150 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: Kind of casual fans and maybe some big fans that 151 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: they want a better game, just talking about what a 152 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: bad super Bowl was, and maybe it's just being there, 153 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: and maybe it's just like I like different types of 154 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: games because it's the super Bowl that adds so much 155 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: weight to it, and I was enjoying their defense just 156 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: dominate and I was enjoying, like the Patriots just scratching 157 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: and clining on defense and holding on for dear life 158 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: and kind of the game theory and everything else that 159 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: was going on it, and it looked different that I 160 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this is a different sort of super Bowl, 161 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: and it would have needed the Patriots to come back 162 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: a little and more to happen for it to be 163 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: like a great super Bowl. But I thought people are 164 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: being too hard in the game. Like I like a 165 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: little bit of a different style of game, and it 166 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: was very typical Seahawks game for this season. I ran 167 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: through all the games that were like this for them, 168 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: whether it was the Panthers or the Falcons. There was 169 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: like two more where it was just like this, kind 170 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: of like the Colt scheme, like where it kind of 171 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: looked like a Seahawks game, And like, I didn't hate it. 172 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 1: I thought people were being too hard on it. And 173 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: ultimately the Seahawks team was just so bad ass that 174 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: it's hard not to appreciate it. 175 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: I think people's understanding of the Seahawks was pretty worked 176 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 3: by the NFC championship too. Like you said, this is 177 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: how they want a lot of games this season leaning 178 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: very heavily on the defense and the offense kind of 179 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 3: just doing enough. And so people watch the NFC Championship 180 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: and thought, ooh, like bombs away Seattle. The offense is like, 181 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 3: you know, we should get like this great performance on 182 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 3: both sides of the ball. On that this game was 183 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: very indicative of who they were for the second half 184 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: of the season, the difference being I would say the 185 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 3: Sam Darnold protected football and mitigated pressure better than he 186 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: did in the second season, which he deserves a ton 187 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 3: of credit for that. In my mind, the one thing 188 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: I'll say about like, was this a good game? I 189 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 3: would argue this was a much better setting aside my 190 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: own personal enjoyment and feeling pretty chill, as evidence by 191 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 3: fact I told you I thought it was over early. 192 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: I think this was a lot better than the forty 193 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: the Broncos Super Bowl forty eight, Yes, because you know 194 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 3: that one. It just didn't feel like Denver put up 195 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 3: a fight. And to your point, the Patriots defense really 196 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: put up a fight in this and made some impressive plays. 197 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: And also that Broncos offense was just so outmatched. Not 198 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: that obviously the Patriots offense was very outmatched, but I 199 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 3: wasn't watching this game thinking like, Wow, this Patriots offense stinks. 200 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: I know, that's how everybody is talking about it. I 201 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: was watching most of the game thinking like, this is 202 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 3: how good Seattle's defense is. And again, I think that 203 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 3: was affected by the NTCY Championship because people kind of 204 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: misunderstood how the Seattle defense had looked all season long 205 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 3: after watching Matthew Stafford in the Rams, who were able to, 206 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 3: I think, tear it up for some reasons that are 207 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 3: a little bit more complicated than Matthew Stafford is just 208 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: you know, an amazing, credible older quarterback who's experienced. 209 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the receivers, the familiarity, and his ability 210 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: to hit some of those throws, like the throw that 211 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: May had to Holland's. I was so glad he had 212 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: those two throws in a row, just as a Drake 213 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: Megan just to have just to have something positive out 214 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: of just a miserable postseason for him. 215 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: Well, I think Kyle Shanahan put it best at Super 216 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: Bowl Leak when he said, you know, because the Seahawks 217 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: have completely demolished his offense, which, by the way, outside 218 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 3: of the Seahawks game was a top five offense. In 219 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: f ball this year and the Seahawks blanks them shut 220 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 3: him down right. But Kyle said, I saw a great 221 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 3: quote like, look, if you can't run on there too high, 222 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 3: you got no chance. And going back and watching, I 223 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: wish I had emphasized this a little bit more going 224 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: into the game. The Rams A lot of those big 225 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 3: Stafford lit them up with play action in that game, 226 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: and most of those throws. Because I went back and 227 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: I watched them all to try to be like, can 228 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: the Patriots approximate this to any degree? A lot of 229 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 3: them the Seahawks would show too high but then rotate 230 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 3: the safety down very quickly, and so he was able 231 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 3: to get the same. The Peaks just had zero respect 232 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 3: for New England's run game. And I think if I 233 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 3: would go back and like kind of rethink this, you know, 234 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: you know, I picked you out to win, obviously like 235 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 3: everybody else. But I think the thing that was very 236 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 3: clear in this very early is if you can't run 237 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: on this defense, you are dead in the water. And 238 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: Patriots were dead in the water, and I. 239 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,599 Speaker 1: Thought, yeah, I thought they they should have been a 240 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: little more or patient or tried it more, even to 241 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: start the second half. It's like the first run that 242 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: they have they popped for it was like a six 243 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: yard run on second and ten, and that's the only 244 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: run that drive. And then the next the next drive 245 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: to get nine on first down, and they can't pick 246 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: up first down on a second and one with Trevion 247 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: and they throw on third and one, and then at 248 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: that point like the running game. 249 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: Was over for the rest of the day. 250 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: Then again, you're trying to run on Byron Murphy who 251 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: we had on after the show, and Leonard Williams, and 252 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: it's just like there were mismatches all around. So I 253 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: think it was a we didn't emphasize this enough that 254 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: I think it was a bad Patriots coaching performances. That was. 255 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 3: I went hard on McDaniels after the game also, like 256 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: why wait so long to start tossing it to Henderson? 257 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: Like that was something I thought they would do. There 258 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 3: were a couple of things I thought they would do 259 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 3: in this game. One was the jumbo the sixth offensive line, 260 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 3: which they did once and hit a twenty one yard 261 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 3: past to Booty and then never went back to it. 262 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: The tosses to Henderson, I thought we would see a 263 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 3: lot of pony, which is funny because like it goes 264 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 3: back to the last the last Patriots iteration, the team 265 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: that played the Seahawks the last time that was the 266 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 3: big pony personnel team. Barely it was this there was 267 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: like eleven vast I think eighty percent of the time 268 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: May in the gun. I did not in any game 269 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: all season with them around by design. I did not 270 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: understand the game plan. I thought Josh McDaniels really struggled 271 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: in this one. 272 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: I think they would have had to play well and 273 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: had the right game plan to make it competitive, and 274 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: they probably still would have lose. We find out afterwards 275 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: May gets a pain killing injection. I had heard after 276 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: the AFC Championship, like that was a little more of 277 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: a thing. I believe that he got an MRI on it, 278 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: which I don't know if it ever got out there, 279 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: but you know, he was playing. But for him to 280 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: end up with the worst EPA since they started keeping 281 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: track of EPA worst. 282 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't mean like if a game. Yeah, for the. 283 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: Playoff run, it's a tough way. It's a tough way for. 284 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: It to end, and there's no promise that you get 285 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: back there. Ali Connolly points out that only one quarterback 286 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: has ever won the Super Bowl after like losing the 287 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: first Super Bowl he went. 288 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 3: To, Although sony quarterbacks have been back to the Super. 289 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: Bowl, probably not, probably not that that many. 290 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: Obviously, Jim Kelly, you know, stands out as when who 291 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: kept getting back and back, But Jalen Hurts did it, 292 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: did it one time. I do want to get into 293 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: the fan of it all, because, like I said, this 294 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: is a tradition. 295 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: We're going to do this show hopefully after every Super Bowl. 296 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: One of my least favorite parts of Top Chef and 297 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: we both love Top Chef Mia, is they move on 298 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: so fast right the season ends. It's this big culmination 299 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: and they win, and we got like one one minute 300 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: of them drinking champagne afterwards and celebrate, and it's like, 301 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: I need a whole post game show. I want, I 302 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: want like a half hour of them talking about it. 303 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: And so that's this version of the show. And so 304 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to have you relive the end of this game. 305 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: Let's actually listen to Steve Rabel, the the k I 306 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: r O announcer, calling the end of the Seahawks. 307 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: Game three two one. 308 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 4: But Seyhawks, they're bringing it home again for a second 309 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 4: time in less than twelve years. But Seahawks win Super 310 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 4: Bowl sixteen. They are bringing ulla party back to the Northwest, 311 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 4: and the party begins at Levon Stadium and in Seattle 312 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 4: and it won't stop four days. 313 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: I love that shot of Mike McDonald just looking up 314 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: into the sky. Give me a little bit of how 315 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: like you fell at that moment, and then just how 316 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: this this team, Mike McDonald like makes you feel as 317 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: someone who's rooted for the Seahawks your life. 318 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 3: I just love that the team one in a way though, 319 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: was so representative of their identity and their coach. 320 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: Right. 321 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: You know, he I voted from Coach of the Year. 322 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: Me too, I didn't have a vote, but that big. 323 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: I mean, the turnaround he's done with this defense is remarkable. 324 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: People forget how bad the defense was the year before 325 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: he became the head coach, it was twenty eighth. To 326 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 3: go from that to not only the best in the NFL, 327 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 3: but to win in dominant fashion, to be the story 328 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: of the Super Bowl is just a testament to his coaching. 329 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 3: You know, I thought he had some brilliant calls in 330 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: this game, but also like when you watch all these 331 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: players and lug Schneider's done a fantastic job of not 332 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: just drafting guys, but the free agency they've signed have 333 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 3: been really impactful. The trade I've mentioned Ernest, like the 334 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 3: trade Ernest Jones, all of the pieces coming together. But 335 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 3: you know, to see how much these players have developed 336 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 3: and how well they fit and how well they played together, 337 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: I think that was the big takeaway watching them all game. 338 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: The way I would describe this Seahawks' defense is watching 339 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: it makes this this version. Watching it makes me feel 340 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 3: like I do when I watch the Shanahan McVay offenses, 341 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: where you feel one they're completely dictating to offenses and 342 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: confusing them and attacking tendencies protection lapses. But the way 343 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: they all play together, I thought it was just so 344 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 3: on display in this game. The way the pressures are 345 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 3: so coordinated. They're like this beautiful ballet right the way 346 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 3: the second if they send pressure, a guys just seems 347 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 3: to be always in position to make the tackle. Josh 348 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 3: Job like everybody talks about like the first rounders and 349 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 3: the you know, Joshob made one of the best tackles 350 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 3: of the game. You know, they've got guys like Akata 351 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 3: and Thomas who are undrafted, So I just think you 352 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 3: watch them, it's just you know, there's certain defenses where 353 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: you watch them and you're like, wow, that is just 354 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: it's Miles Garrett, he's an alien, or you know Max 355 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 3: Grasby or whatever. But when you watch this defense, you 356 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: feel the coaching eminent through the play and they really 357 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 3: are orle of who he is and why his hire 358 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 3: was so transformational. 359 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: I have so much I want to comment on from that, 360 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: but I can't let Okata go by. How about him 361 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: revealing that he's part of the Asian American. 362 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 2: We had a few you can take him. 363 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 3: How did I not know Jason Myers was part Filipino until. 364 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: I didn't know that. You're you're taking that news. 365 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 3: We got, we got a success story. We're gonna we 366 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 3: just need one eighth is enough? We will claim you. 367 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: Yes. 368 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: I think Tayo Kata, for those listening, said that his 369 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: great grandfather was Japanese athlete and uh before it moved 370 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: over so that the name makes sense. McDonald. He was 371 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: brought in as this answer to the Shanahan tree in 372 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: that division, specifically after taking down Purty in that in 373 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: that great game against the forty nine ers, that that 374 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: ruined Perty's MVP chances, and he really has been like 375 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: a one, one man answer to it, because look, other 376 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: people from that tree are are getting jobs Anthony Weaver 377 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: and Dinard Wilson with like varying levels of success. Jesse 378 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: Mentor's part of that tree, I would say, and he's 379 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: going to be the Ravens head coach. But when I 380 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 1: started hearing after the game, like Devin Witherspoon talking about 381 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: how they had a bit of a tip from their 382 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: coaches of how the Patriots. 383 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: Offensive linemen were aligned. 384 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: He talked about that on serious radio and that they 385 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: really felt like they knew run, pass and different things. 386 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: I mean, that's to me, that's he has obviously no similarity, 387 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of differences between him and Belichick, 388 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: but that was just like the type of stuff that 389 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: would happen after a Belichick Super Bowl, where it's not 390 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: all about just rallying the troops. He's just giving you 391 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: these little edges of how his guys can win. 392 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 3: I have heard from multiple people in that the staff 393 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 3: and then with players that Witherspoon is like his his guy, 394 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 3: like his aptar in the field, the guy who challenges 395 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 3: him meetings and you know, obviously Moore, He's gotten a 396 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 3: lot of love this year. You know how I feel 397 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: about like Leo Williams, Byron Murphy was excellent in this game, 398 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 3: but like, I also love that Devin Witherspoon was the 399 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 3: shining star of the Like he really had a strong 400 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 3: MVP case. And I don't object to Walker getting it 401 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 3: because I thought he was extraordinary as well, and they 402 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 3: don't win this game without him. And I also think, 403 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 3: you know, the greatest company he could play the sex 404 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: defense is it was impossible to pick one player because 405 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: there were so many good players, which is very cool 406 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: and again reflects who they are. But for him to 407 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 3: pick Witherspoon, and I'm sure you guys talked about everybody's 408 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 3: talked about how they broke some of their tendencies with 409 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 3: having him blitz and the way he blitzed and the 410 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 3: way they were attacking them, very cool, I thought, because 411 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 3: he is a really unique player and part of you know, 412 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 3: that draft class with him and Jayson is going to 413 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 3: go down in Seahawk's history is one of the Alzheimer's. 414 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: It's really crazy to think Schneider was a little bit 415 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: on the hot seat. 416 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, like that. 417 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 3: Had horrible drafts for like five years. Yes, and this 418 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 3: is really a case. And then he's been on a 419 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 3: freaking heater right for another like the last four years, 420 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 3: I would say, and really, like I know there's all 421 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 3: this discourse now like you gotta wait for quarterbacks. Look 422 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 3: at jam Darnold, you know, development takes time. How about GMS, 423 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: Like how about because he was unbelievable early in his 424 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: career at the Seahawks, then total drought from like thirteen 425 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: to seventeen ish eighteen or no, no more lone anyways, 426 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 3: go look up his drafts and then turned it around 427 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 3: completely and it just goes to show you like maybe 428 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 3: you need you gotta give GMS some patience too. 429 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and drafts kind of come and go. But it 430 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: is crazy to think about like a j Barner as 431 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: a fourth round pick gets slept on a little bit 432 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: like the veteran pickups that they had, including just finding 433 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: guys in McDonald. 434 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 2: I'm sure as a part of that in Josh. 435 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: Job are taking Pete's guys and making them better, like 436 00:21:58,640 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: a Kobe Bryant. 437 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: You guys do have. 438 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: Some key free agents, uh, Job Bryant and Riq that's 439 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: like three sixth of essentially a starting secondary. They're all 440 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: they're all free agents. Ken Walker is a free agent. 441 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: I think they might tag him, Like what do you 442 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: think about them? Like moving forward? 443 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Reek is a tricky one because I think he's 444 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 3: I think he's he's become underrated, but he's also not 445 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: who he seemed. I think he's not as good as 446 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: maybe it seemed early in the career or like A. 447 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 3: He's not like A like he's just he is. There's 448 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 3: a gettable aspect and obviously the penalties whatever, But I 449 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: also think he's like there's he for much of the 450 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 3: season he was excellent that I think job. I suspect 451 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 3: they can get a deal done pretty reasonably, and I 452 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if they keep him. Woolen's harder to project. 453 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: To me, he feels like he's gone, he'll be gone Locker. 454 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: I think they'll keep her. She Heats, a free agent, 455 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: will also be tough to keep. I think ye he could. 456 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: He could be one of those those players that like 457 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: the home like Seahawks fans will just remember so fondly. 458 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: Not that he even had a ton of receiving production 459 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: for the Seahawks. 460 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: But basically you trade. 461 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: For him and then he makes two or three just 462 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: monster plays to help you get a championship. 463 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: Q rating will be one hundred forever. 464 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 3: Great personality, great locker room guy. I would also argue 465 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 3: he had a lot of hidden impact, not just the 466 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 3: special teams. But this is super nerdy, but one of 467 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 3: the things Seattle dramatically improved at after trading him was 468 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 3: running out of the gun with three wide receivers on 469 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 3: the field. They were from being one of the worst 470 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: in football to one of the like a top five 471 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 3: success rate, And to me, a lot of that reflected 472 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 3: Defenses actually have to respect a second receiver. So even 473 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 3: if they were to move on from him, I think 474 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 3: you'd probably want to add speed at the receiver position. 475 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 3: I know Tory Horton got hurt this year, so that's 476 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 3: kind of maybe they feel confident that he can replace 477 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 3: that production. But that's something that is quietly important. 478 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: Mm hm. 479 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: You uh, you've been on a journey. It's been eleven 480 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: years since your last Super Bowl title. 481 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 2: Probably we had to get you doing this. 482 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: By the way, like next time around, you know your 483 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: son will be like almost entering high school. If if 484 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: it's if it's an eleven year thing, my kids will 485 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: be in college or out of it. 486 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: So it's like we gotta we gotta mark these moments 487 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 2: in time. 488 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: I wonder about your journey though with Donald, you know, 489 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: like I remember you as one of the Donald. 490 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 2: Hot like it was such a big Donald hive. 491 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 3: And Niser's is what we called ourselves. Me Orlowski, Jeremiah, 492 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah. 493 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: I mean, who knows, Like Tice, I feel like was 494 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: in there. Maybe he was a big darnold guy. 495 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we just didn't. I didn't know him, I 496 00:24:59,200 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 3: think when this all start. 497 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: But yeah, and you guys always kind of carried the 498 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: flag that like you weren't going to give up on 499 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: him now now to see And it's complicated because you're 500 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: also a big, big Geno fan in me and you 501 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: both you know, did not like seeing that move. 502 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 2: Thought it was gonna be a downgrade. 503 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: I mean, just just as a fan, your journey with 504 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: Donald is so complicated. 505 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I've been getting I'm getting a lot of 506 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 3: like you were like Sam's biggest hater. It was actually 507 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 3: the take that's going around. It was even before they 508 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 3: signed Darnald. It was about Gino. I was just like, 509 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: I don't think they should move on from Gino Smith. 510 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 3: It wasn't And I think for Donald, though I'm not 511 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: going to pretend like I wasn't skeptical, my skepticism was 512 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 3: actually pretty specific. I thought the c X offensive line 513 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 3: had been such a disaster for five plus years more 514 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 3: than that, and I thought putting him behind this the 515 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 3: Seattle offensive line that I had watched for years was 516 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 3: a risky proposition. What I think I underestimated. There's a 517 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: lot of things I underestimated, but I would say the 518 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 3: biggest thing I underestimated was how much having held ab 519 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 3: Lucas healthy the entire season and then the draft, drafting 520 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 3: a guard in Gray's abel, coupled with an offensive coordinator 521 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 3: who would actually protect the line, would create a much 522 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 3: more favorable quarterbacking environment for him. And that's something Seattle 523 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 3: recognized and they understood. They saw how well he fit 524 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 3: the Kubiak system and how much the Kubik system could 525 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 3: in turn help the run game, not the run, more 526 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: so the offensive line, and that I think was the 527 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 3: biggest The Seattle defense we all knew would be good. 528 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 3: They were awesome, but for the offense was I was 529 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 3: very skeptical of whether that would all come together based 530 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 3: on what I had seen from this line. And yeah, 531 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 3: it was really really cool to see him thrive in 532 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: improved circumstances because the talent has always been there, the 533 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 3: arm talent has always been there. The athleticism has always 534 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 3: been something I've liked of his game, and arguably that 535 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 3: was his biggest attribute in the Super Bowl. Uh So, 536 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 3: and he's just like a super super grounded, down to earth, 537 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 3: solid guy. So it's hard not to root for him. 538 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: Right, I was gonna say it took. It took my 539 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: four minute interview after the game, and he's just a 540 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: swell guy. You can you can see, you can see 541 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: why people would want to root for him, And you're right, 542 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: despite all that, Like the Seahawks offense line is still 543 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: probably their weakness, Like they still need to maybe improve 544 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: a little bit on. 545 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: The interior, I think a couple of spots. 546 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: But he handled the pressure so well in the NFC 547 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: Championship game and that was like a huge difference in 548 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. You're you're a true friend who knows, 549 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: who knows what what our lives will be like the 550 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: next time the Super Maybe they maybe they won't take eleven. 551 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 3: Next year might be in La We'll see that. 552 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: That would be a beautiful thing. Thank you, Mina. I 553 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: I loved having you on. I I wanted to revel 554 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: in it a little bit more before we start start 555 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: turning the page. What what do you think the mindset, 556 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: by the way is, I'm just remembering this happened of 557 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: the Seahawks fan I saw Monday morning at the hotel 558 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: in a Gino Smith, Jersey. It's just like wow, it's 559 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: just like a bold move for the day after that 560 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. 561 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 3: That is Yeah, that's I don't know if that's something 562 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 3: I would do. I did see a lot of Jets 563 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 3: fans do a lot, but like five or six Jets 564 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 3: fans in Donald jerseys at sealand that I I like 565 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 3: that movie is fun. 566 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw I saw a Donald Jets jersey at 567 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: the game. I didn't see any Donald forty nine Ers jersey. 568 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: That's what that would have been a deep. 569 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: Deep pull little Arnald Panthers action. 570 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: I kind of forgot Clint Kobyak and Donald had that 571 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 1: year to Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, ye should have need 572 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: should have known, we should have seen it coming. 573 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: Appreciate youa Mina. 574 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: Obviously, everyone can check out the Mina Chimes show featuring 575 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: Lenny and quite often Ben Solac, who does a great 576 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: job too. You know, I don't know if he's getting 577 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: mad at Leny Lenny. He's not in the title. 578 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 2: They were. You were in the studio, you were in 579 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: our studio after the game was great. 580 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 3: You're coming in well network. Yeah, we're teammates now, so 581 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 3: hopefully I'll be in that studio a bit more. 582 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: It's all happening. Yeah, hopefully we can. We can do 583 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: some of that together. We will be back. Thank you 584 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: mean on oh, I'm losing track of the days here. 585 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: On Thursday, Ollie Connolly, we're gonna get into the free 586 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: agent rankings. We're gonna be doing some tight ends. We 587 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: have a conversation we did last week with Isaiah. Likely 588 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: we'll hit some news. 589 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 2: We'll see you then, But in the meantime, enjoy Seahawks 590 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: fans sealing.