1 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Clubs. Are you ready for 3 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: a Break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 4 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that. 5 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 6 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 7 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: It is Thursday, August eight, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, episode 8 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: number twenty three. Welcome to another edition of The Break. 9 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: We are alive, Maxnard, California. The crowd is starting to 10 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: settle in. Cowboys are going to have a morning practice 11 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: this morning, starting up at ten forty five Pacific time. 12 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: It is there last practice before they hit to San 13 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 1: Francisco to take on the forty nine Ers in their 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: first preseason game of the twenty nineteen season. These guys 15 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: will get you prepared for that. Throughout this show, we 16 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: got a lot of topics we're going to hit. We 17 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: got a little bit of a transactor. We had a 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: transaction yesterday. We'll talk a little bit about later in 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: the show. I do want to talk about this offensive line. 20 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: That's going to be our bigger topic of the show 21 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: and kind of where everything sits there. But before we 22 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: do that, let's first start off talking a little bit 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: about Lance Lenore, wide receiver that was released yesterday. Talk 24 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: to me about kind of what would happened with him 25 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: and what kind of the overall because it's not just 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: a typical like you release the guy, he's gone forever. 27 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: Talk to me about what that what really happened. We 28 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: might see him around I guess like in the lunch 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: area or something for years. I don't know. I don't 30 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: know how that works. Now he's released, and if he's 31 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: not claimed off waivers because he was injured with a 32 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: knee injury, he will revert back to the injured reserve. 33 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: So their friend, I think you could stay with the 34 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: with the team and rehab. But what is his injury. 35 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: It's a knee. It's like a sore knee, sprain knee. 36 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anything that needed surgery or anything. Yeah, 37 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: and that's I don't even know how to put it, 38 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: but that's something that you see kind of happen with 39 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: guys on the bottom of the depth chart, like Cedric 40 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: Wilson last year is a great example, sprained his shoulder, 41 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: although I mean he needed surgery and he was in 42 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: a sling and stuff, but they put him on injured reserve, 43 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: and you ended his season by doing that because the 44 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: alternative was to release him and open him up to 45 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: be snatched up by thirty one other teams. So you 46 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: see that happen with younger guys. This obviously is a 47 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: little bit different because they did cut Lance, but they 48 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: could easily bring him back to develop with them and 49 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: he'll go on the shelf for the season. But better 50 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: than not having any work, I guess, my assistant. The 51 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: suspicion is based upon what we've been talking about on 52 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: this show. He was not a guy that necessarily you 53 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: guys thought would make the team, right amber, I mean, 54 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: they like him for some reason. I don't see no. Okay, stop, 55 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: let me, let me be nice. I'm not trying to 56 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: be mean. But he's just a guy that you know, 57 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: I've watched in practice and you see him show up 58 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: like he'll flash here and there, but then when it 59 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: comes down to the game, he doesn't really show up. 60 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: And how long has he been here for third year? 61 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I don't. I don't see it. 62 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: He doesn't excite me that much. But he does have 63 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: something that for whatever reason, the scouts like him and 64 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: the coaches like him, so we'll see what happens with him. 65 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: It's unfortunate that that happened at this point because of 66 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: all the competition that's at the one receiver position that 67 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: you don't have any chance to be getting hurt right now. 68 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: You get hurt and you're forgotten very quickly. Because these 69 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: guys there's a lot of talent right there. I think 70 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: the reason, if you're looking for a reason why they 71 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: like him, it's the classic the more you can do. 72 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: He's he's a smart guy. He's got the athleticism, he 73 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: knows all three of the main positions in the In 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: the offense, he can play inside and out, and he 75 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: can do a lot on special teams, whether that's flyer, 76 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: whether that's punt return, all that good stuff. If you're 77 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: not a starter, the more stuff you can do, that 78 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: type of stuff endears you to coaches and scouts. I 79 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: think that's why they like Lance and he obviously over 80 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: the years he's flashed the potential to make really impressive plays, 81 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: never able to put it together on a consistent basis. 82 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of Rico a little bit like. 83 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: Rico and Lance are two guys that have been kicking 84 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: around the roster with a minor role for a few 85 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: years now, and they're both gone within a couple of 86 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:49,119 Speaker 1: days of each other. On Twitter yesterday, a reporter said 87 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: Lance lean or Era is over in Dallas, and he 88 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: responded with a quote tweet this said, it's not though, 89 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: know your facts before you start tweeting with your fingers. Yeah, 90 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: with your fingers trigger fingers do turn to Twitter fingers. 91 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: I mean it's and it's an old added they got 92 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: a little ahead of themselves on that as old as time. Well, 93 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: I mean it was after he was cut and so 94 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, but that's the thing, like you 95 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: don't know all the details of you know, was he 96 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: cut or was he does he return if he's you 97 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: know he's not. That's our seventy seven lists you can 98 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: put a player on right and one of them is 99 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: you know, he can injured reserve. You don't have to 100 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: do anything. Waived injured means we really don't want you 101 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: on our roster. Got it, But he might end up 102 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: right back on their rosters. So it's a classic move. 103 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,119 Speaker 1: You we're gonna see at eighteen times this year. Where 104 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: will McClay or whoever's gonna go up to so and 105 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: so and say we're gonna cut you. Assuming you clear 106 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: the waivers, which we think you will, you'll be right 107 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: back here on Tuesday morning. So right, But I'm just 108 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: saying the chances of him playing for the Cowboys are 109 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,239 Speaker 1: really very, very very as slim as he is. That's true, 110 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: right that part. I agree, it's probably true. But he 111 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: could in back on the roster though, right, for a 112 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: variety of reasons. You see those things. What roster are 113 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: you talking about? Are back on the team, back on 114 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: their injured reserve as a part of the club. He 115 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: will be in as they said, we'll see him at 116 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: lunch will yeah, all over his gym, short everything you 117 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 1: know the show. For the show, we were talking about 118 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: patience and how see I don't have the patience really 119 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: for to wait around too much. Like once a third 120 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: year hits, I'm like, okay, I'm done. I don't really 121 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: know what the time limit is for, Like how long 122 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: do you give a guy to actually start showing you 123 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: what you need? I don't know. There's there's no baseline 124 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: for that. It depends on how much money you spent 125 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: on him, how much he's shown you, how much of 126 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: at the position, how much you have at the position, 127 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: how much of a pain in the butt he is, 128 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: like off the field, away from football, all that good stuff. 129 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: I mean that's you know, like not to bring him 130 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: back up like Taco. I understand why people are impatient 131 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: with the first round pick, lanceland or undrafted free agent 132 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: whatever like. That's and and he's shown some stuff like 133 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't judge those two things similarly. So I'm just 134 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: like Lands can be here, he can't be here. It 135 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: doesn't really affect one way or the other. We've talked 136 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: about it on this show. You know the whole, whether 137 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: it's Parcels or Landry. I think you just mentioned it 138 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: the other day that had the philosophy that I think 139 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: a lot of coaches and a lot of personnel guys 140 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: around the league have. It's like three to four years, 141 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: and once you get to that point, if you're not 142 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: seeing seeing it from those guys, you know, it's like 143 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: a Rico. You get to four years and if he's 144 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: not showing you, you're gonna said. You said, get the 145 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: f And I was like you no, not what I 146 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: was saying, um no, I mean you have three or 147 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: four years, and if you get to that fourth year 148 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: and you're not really showing anything, and it's like at 149 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: some point you just have there one and assume that 150 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: if he's going to show it at this point, somebody 151 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: else is gonna have to get it out of him 152 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: because what you're doing around here isn't working here. There's 153 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: some exceptions to the rule, Showers, but see that's that's 154 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: where you get go ahead, and it's it's a classic 155 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: case that like Jamie Shower, he's never going to play 156 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: a meaningful snap for the Dallas Cowboys, but I admire 157 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: the hell out of the way he has carved out 158 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: a career for himself by again, the more you can do? 159 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: Can you play Scout team quarterback? Can you please special teams? 160 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: Are you do they love having you around because you're 161 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: such a high character guy? Do you you make everybody 162 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: feel better about themselves? Which clearly he does. Like find 163 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: a person anywhere out here that has a negative thing 164 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: to say about Jamie Showers, Like that type of stuff matters, 165 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: and he will never He's not gonna dress for a 166 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: real Cowboys game. But even when he is eventually let 167 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: go when this is all said and done, he's out 168 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: of practice squad eligibility. I would. I'm just not going 169 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: to be shocked if they find a way to keep 170 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: him here too, because they like having him around. Absolutely. 171 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: Good guys have a way of cowboys, have a way 172 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: of keeping them in the family, and I think that's 173 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: exactly if you're if you're good to people and one 174 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: way or another you can help the football team, they'll 175 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: find a way to keep you around. And Jim I 176 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: have no problem with that. I'm not talking trash on 177 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: Jamale Showers. I admire it. Yeah, all right, let's move 178 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: on to a little blanket coverage to have some statements here. 179 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: I'm gonna roll out for you, guys. You feel in 180 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: the blanks. Here's the first Rod Marinelli sis of Taco. 181 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: He's been very impressed, been very impressed with him right now. 182 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: Been playing hard in there, playing physical, hustling. Just let 183 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: him keep working now. As your statement, I would characterize 184 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: his camp as blank Dave, I would characterize Taco's camp 185 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: as somewhere in between the super positive reviews you hear 186 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: from the likes of Rod Marinelli and the super negatives 187 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 1: that you hear from fans of media, like that's a 188 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: whole spectrum days. He's he's somewhere in the middle. He 189 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: is assistant. Yeah, okay, all right, thank you. He's he's inconsistent. 190 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: He's I've seen him put together some really nice rushes. 191 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: He had two sacks two days ago. I looked like 192 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: he got the better of Lyle once or twice yesterday, 193 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: Like he's done some stuff. He also knows he's still 194 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: obsessed with the spin move, and he just doesn't flash 195 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: as consistently or as well as you would expect from 196 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: a third year player that was the first round pick. Yeah, 197 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: bo yeah. I mean when I heard Ron Mary Nelly 198 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: say that I was in I was shook, like people 199 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: say around here, shook. He shook me because I was like, whoa. 200 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: And when coming from a guy like Mary Nelly, I mean, 201 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: you have to, you know, you take that into account. 202 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: What he says matters, So it just confused me a 203 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: little bit. I'm like, Okay, maybe I don't understand what 204 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: we're supposed to be watching here, but I think I 205 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: kind of do, so I'm now confused on what you're 206 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: telling me. I will say this though, in the past 207 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: few days, I've seen Taco do some things that at 208 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: least motivates you to watch him in the preseason, in 209 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: the season and hope that he's able to do something. 210 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: You know, he has started. I think the light came 211 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: on a little bit and he has started to progress 212 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: and do some things and put up a battle rather 213 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: than being on the ground all the time. Nick top 214 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: goals camp has been blank. I think it's uh skewed 215 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: by expectations. That's the biggest problem. Yeah, I just think 216 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: now because we don't know if he'll make the team, 217 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: and so if he makes a few plays, it's like, oh, okay, hey, 218 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: maybe he will make the team. You know, the writings 219 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: on the wall. I mean, the opportunities are available for 220 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: him to contribute with the way the defensive imposition is 221 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: shaking out. But I just think that that we don't 222 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: view him the same as a first round pick. That's like, 223 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: when is he gonna make you know, the Pro Bowl? 224 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: You know, with Byron Jones, it's like, if you know, 225 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: he's pretty good, but like his first round pick, he 226 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: should make the Pro Bowl. And then then he finally 227 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: did and he lived up to it and maybe surpassed it. 228 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: But you know, right now, or wonder if he's gonna 229 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: make the team. So when he makes a big play, 230 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, that's pretty good, when in reality he 231 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: should be making four or five of those plays. But 232 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: he did come off the ball in a drill yesterday 233 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: that I thought it was as quick as I've ever 234 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: seen him. Looked like it was shot out of a 235 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: cannon and went right past Um five cam Flem. Yeah. 236 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: Sometimes I just revert back to players that've been here, 237 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: like seven years ago. Sometimes I just want to say 238 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: Darien Wams, Oh man, Darien Weams. That's a name. Time 239 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: I see Antoine Woods and want to say either carry 240 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: Lofton or Willy Blade. Yeah, yeah, Willy Blade, like eighteen 241 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: years ago. For like he's got to claim to fan 242 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: that's not so good. Remember that hard knocks. No, yeah, 243 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:44,599 Speaker 1: he number two in practice. Now, can we talk a 244 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: little bit about him real quick, real quick? I will. 245 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: I feel I feel better about Tacos odds of making 246 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: the team than I did a week ago. I'll just 247 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: say that. Okay, So no, I mean, I'm not not 248 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: writing his name and sharpie or anything, but he still 249 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: in pensil Yeah, alright, with a new razor on the 250 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: other hand guy. Um No, I was gonna ask you, 251 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: you know, how Antoine has lost weight and like he's 252 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: like slimming down or to me, I haven't watched him 253 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: a whole ton, but the times I've seen him, I 254 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: feel like he has kind of lost that power that 255 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: we're used to see him from him from like last year. 256 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: Do you feel the same way that he's him losing 257 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: weight has kind of affected the way that he's playing. 258 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: We'll find out. I mean, that's a good that's a 259 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: good question you you wonder about that. I've always said 260 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: I want this big, you know, sloppy looking guy that's 261 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 1: just hard to Still he's still a big guy and 262 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: he looks he has but I mean, like when you're 263 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: talking about a big plugger in the middle, it might 264 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: be guy. He might be more, you know, chiseled and powerful. Right, 265 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: you can put on strength like a muscle strengths. But 266 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: but it just the maybe I've seen just the bad ones, 267 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, and and missed the good ones. But it 268 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: just made me curious to see how that's affecting him 269 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: in the way he's playing. Part of it be all 270 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: also that last year he was going up against Travis 271 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: and at the time. We didn't know Travis had this syndrome, 272 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: and so what we were seeing was a little skewed 273 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: or very skewed. I would, I would suspect, and so 274 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: we were thinking, oh my god, it's ninety nine. He's 275 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: really like he's battling in there, and this year you 276 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: don't have that same Damn. We watched him during the season, though, 277 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: so you've seen him go up against different guys and 278 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: it still seems a little different, but we'll see. They 279 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: let they let Travis get a one on one rep 280 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: for the first time yesterday, and they put him up 281 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: against Antoine and I just don't think that was a coincidence. Yeah, 282 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that they I don't ask 283 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: for that, or the coaches were guys, and Travis handled 284 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: himself well he did, he did all right. Here's the 285 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: next statement. Yesterday, much to to Nick's delight, we saw 286 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: fleeflickers in practice. Was it gonna say it? Here's the thing, though, 287 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: if I set the over under on how many times 288 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: we will see that this year at three, I take 289 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: the sixteen. I got a way what a game, I think, 290 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: I'll say over because of what happened with the play well, 291 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: it was a flee flicker than the went to Witten 292 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: like out in the flat, So we're not necessarily it's 293 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: not necessarily you know, Terry Glenn down the scene for 294 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: a long touchdown. I mean sometimes it could be. It 295 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a home run. It could be 296 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: a first down. So I think there'll be more than that. 297 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be kind of hopefully be a 298 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: part of the offense a little bit, but i'll say 299 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: more amber over under three, Uh, let's go over. You know, 300 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: I have hopes in Kellen Moore and what he's doing 301 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: with the offense and just doing mixing it up. And 302 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: when you do that, I don't do it once a season. 303 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: That's not surprising anybody. You know. If you throw it 304 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: here and there, now you can put that in the 305 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: back of the head of the other team's coaches. You 306 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: know that, oh the Cows might do this here and there. 307 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: But I would say over three, Dave, I will definitely 308 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: say over, and I'll tell you why. It wasn't just 309 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: a short pass to Witten. It was a mind screen. 310 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen that before. I'm not 311 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: saying Calamore came up with it, but I've never seen 312 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: that before, and so when you're basing it off different looks. 313 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: This is also training camp. Like typically, if you're gonna 314 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: run one trick play, you put that in on Wednesday 315 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: of game week and you run it a couple of 316 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: times during the week, like like you know, we're gonna 317 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: have the running back throw it, like they'll work on 318 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: that on game week. This is training camp where you're 319 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: kind of, hey, these are the base concepts and the 320 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: bread and butter stuff that we want to work on 321 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: all year. Now. I don't think that means they'll do 322 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: it every week, but that's to me suggests that it's 323 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: something that they'll look at doing just every net like 324 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: on a way more regular basis than what we're used 325 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: to seeing. And the beautiful part about it is, and 326 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: Nick is sit this many times. There is no there's 327 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: no bad Like you don't have to catch them by surprise, 328 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: because the point is you don't care about catching them 329 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: by surprise. What you care about is I want that 330 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: safety always thinking. I want that those guys always that lot. 331 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: I want all those guys thinking watch the fleeflick watching 332 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: because because that helps your offense. BA. That's just one 333 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: more thing the defense has to be preoccupied with. So 334 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: it really isn't a matter of a surprise attack or 335 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: some surprise play as much as it is. You have 336 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: enough stuff to keep teams off balance, and they don't 337 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: know what's coming at any given moment, so they have 338 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: to stay true to their principles, which opens up opportunities 339 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: for you. What did you you said three and a half? 340 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: Was that your over un three was the overrun? Yeah? Yeah, 341 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: over You would have said seven and a half. Oh, 342 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: I actually I actually thought you guys are except for Nick, 343 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: I thought you always gonna say under. And the reason 344 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: why is because still until we see it in a season, 345 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: this offense, what I know of this offense as long 346 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: as Jason Garrett's been involved in it, is it does 347 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: not take a ton of those kinds of chances. Like 348 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: they aren't a big, you know, trick play kind of 349 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: offense like they are. They kind of run their offense, 350 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: and so until I see it, I kind of think 351 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: that's nice. It may be in the offense. I don't 352 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: know if I expect to see it during the regular season, 353 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: but we'll see. We'll see. All right, let's go and 354 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: take our first break when we come back, I want 355 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about this offensive line. Will 356 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: dive in a little bit and talk about some of 357 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: the starters and what we've seen out here from some 358 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: of these guys who we sometimes take for granted because 359 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: they're as good as they are. 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Back to the Break Welcome back. 402 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: It is the second segment of The Break live from Oxboard, California. 403 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: Everyone's out today. Cowboys have their morning practice at ten 404 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: forty five am. They'll be out here on the field 405 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: for a couple hours here, and then this afternoon it's 406 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: going to be a walk through that is not open 407 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: to the public. So if you're in the area you're 408 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: meaning to come out to practice, you better hurry and 409 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: get here. This is the only practice left this week. 410 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: Next weekday, we'll have practices on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. 411 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: I think thursdays a morning practice and then we head 412 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: out for Hawaii. All right, so it's probably like a 413 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: morning walkthrough, I would guess so, but I would assume 414 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be open to the public. But check the website. 415 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: I know we have more information on that out there. 416 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: Let's talk about this offensive line. What I wanted to 417 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: do was I'm gonna I want to go through the 418 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: starters first, because sometimes we don't spend as much time 419 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: talking about the starters because it's just kind of taken 420 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: for grant that they're great, right, But what I want 421 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: to do is for each guy, I want you guys 422 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: to answer two questions for me. One how does he 423 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: look so far at camp? And two what is your 424 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: biggest question mark with regard to that player this season? Okay, 425 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: we got that, ye, all right? So let's start first 426 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: with the big dog, Tyren Smith Nick. What's he been 427 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: like a camp? And what's your biggest question for him 428 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: this season? He looks good, he looks ready to go. 429 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: Don't get hurt. I mean those are my two things 430 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: I answered both of him. I mean, he looks like 431 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: he is ready to be all pro whatever. So if 432 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: there's there's something that can keep him from playing until 433 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: we get to the Giants game, I'm fine for that. 434 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: I just mean, you don't need to do it. I 435 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: don't need to see anything more. I think he's ready 436 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 1: to go. On the question for you is just can 437 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: you stay healthy. That you can say that for everyone, 438 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: but with him with this big old elbow thing, no, 439 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: I think, but it's I think it's more. I think 440 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: it's more prevalent for Tyron just because of the issues 441 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: that he's had the last three years. Can he play 442 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: sixteen games and hopefully more, without encountering some sort of 443 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: chronic problem, whether that's the stingers that he dealt with 444 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: last year, or the back issue or the knee issues 445 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: or that. I mean, he's the bionic Man. He's so impressive. 446 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: But like the list is long, and rightfully so, it's 447 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: a physical position. So he looks amazing, he looks like 448 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: he's ready to be all pro. He's just he's he 449 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: feels great. He's the only question is whether he can 450 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: hold up. I mean everything that they both said, it's 451 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: absolutely right. The only thing at least I feel okay 452 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: with the backup position to where previous years it was 453 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: a big concern. We've seen in the past how that 454 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: affected the game and how they sacked Dak Prescott in 455 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: that game. But was it like nine times, yeah, yeah, 456 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: something like that. So at least if something was to happen, yeah, 457 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: that suck, Yeah that sucks. But at least if something 458 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: was to happen, I feel okay with the backup coming 459 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: in and helping out in the meantime. All right, the 460 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: next no one, real quick? Do you think, Lyle, if 461 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: he has a good year, will sign? I know I'm 462 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: not skipping around. I'm really talking about tying one. Do 463 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: you think Lil will make more than ten million a 464 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: year in a new deal? Yeah? Here or just anywhere 465 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: if he has a good season. Yeah, yeah, okay, So 466 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: if Tyron has a good season, I think what what 467 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: you need to look at is his contract will be 468 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: kind of interesting because he's supposed to make ten million 469 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: next year and ten point five or for that and 470 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: thirteen point five. It is an underrated storyline how he 471 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: is helping this team by playing the deal. He's hope 472 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: he didn't go back to the whale. He got enough problem. 473 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if Tyron has a really good year, 474 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: they need to think about this, or he need He'll 475 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: He'll probably be thinking about it, you know, saying he's 476 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: gonna be way way. You know, I don't know if 477 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: he will. If there's a guy that wouldn't right, it 478 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: might be because he when he signed, like when he 479 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: signed the deal in twenty fourteen. Everybody was like, this 480 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: is really team friendly. Yeah, and he was like, you 481 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: know what, the Joneses were good to me. I don't 482 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: want to think about this. I want to get it 483 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: out of the way. I'm not I mean, I'm not 484 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: saying it's impossible, and I wouldn't blame him if he did. 485 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: But it wouldn't shock me if he was just like, 486 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: I don't whatever. I'm just I'm making enough money I 487 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: feel good about on a one hundred million dollar deal. Yeah, 488 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: but when you look at what the what that position is, 489 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: get it calm. He's gonna be way way underpaid. And 490 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: you know what, you know that stuff starts, but you 491 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: know that stuff valid, it's a valid and it's not 492 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: even Tyron. It'll be the agent agent that'll be like, 493 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: do you happen to see what Lions making that? You know? 494 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's because the contract, I mean, the 495 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: for the agent, that's how he makes his money is 496 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: off the player. I could I really, I don't know 497 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: Tyron Smith super well, but I know him. You know, 498 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: I know him over I've dealt with him over the years. 499 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: He's a great guy. I can imagine him being like what, 500 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: I got my money playing for the Cowboys. I love 501 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: it here, I love this organization in this family, and 502 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: I'm just not bothered by it like that wouldn't that 503 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me. I agree with you, all right. The 504 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: next guy I want to talk about, actually Amber. You 505 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: spend quite a bit of time within this sause and 506 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: this just so you guys know, there's a little project 507 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: that Amber's working on with him that's gonna be phenomenal. 508 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: You guys got it. You'll see it. It becoming a 509 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: play to this this year. But anyway, Connor Williams, talk 510 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: to me about how he's looked in camp and what's 511 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: the biggest question you have for him going into this season? 512 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: Biggest question, I don't think I have a question. I'm 513 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: just ready to see him play. I think he's looked 514 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: really good. You can tell the strength that he's put on, 515 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: that he's gained. You can tell that he really worked 516 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: during this offseason. And that's one of the things we 517 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: talk about with him, was, you know what, I just 518 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: needed to get that offseason to be able to put 519 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: on that strength and that way and do what the 520 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: coaches needed me to do. So when you see him 521 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: out here play. I don't really know the right terms, 522 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: but he, I guess, stands there, boxes up. He looks 523 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: like a box and he he stands there and he 524 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: blocks you, and he's able to bully you, you know, 525 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: and he can handle you the way he wants to. 526 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: If he wants to move you in a way, he's 527 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: going to move in a way. Basically, what you're saying 528 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: looks like Zach Martin at times, at times with what 529 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: not as consistent, because he gets he'll he'll lose here 530 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: and there. Right. There are some moments when it's like, 531 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, I guess I'll go next up. Sure, I 532 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: think he's done. Really, like she said, the strength is there. 533 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: It's very evident. The question I have is, um, are 534 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: we doing all this for for for what? Like? Is 535 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: he gonna play guard next year? Um? Question? Just because 536 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: with Lael and all that stuff, I wonder if he's 537 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 1: gonna end up moving. And I also wonder maybe if 538 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: he's gonna be the swing tackle this year, even though 539 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: he's gonna start at guard, maybe he's the swing tackle. 540 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: I actually talk about that a little later. I have 541 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: a question he could be because I don't know about 542 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: seventy five. Go ahead, Dave. That's a really good point, 543 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: and there's there's a conversation to be had about what 544 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: the future holds. Connor looks great out here, not so 545 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: great that he hasn't taken his share of els, especially 546 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: to Malie Collins, which I gotta, I gotta see it 547 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: when he's been handing out else I will so far 548 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: in MVP camp, top top three for sure, him, him, woulds, Him, 549 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: Woods and Gallop are probably my top three and the 550 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: third round picks in a fifth round pick that's not 551 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: including I mean, you can always throw Tying up there, 552 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: but like he takes veteran days and YadA, YadA, so 553 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: those three, Um, I just no offense to Malie Collins. 554 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: He's great out here, but he's not the best defensive tackle. 555 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: Connor Williams is gonna play this year. Uh And I 556 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: want to see it when the lights come on. It's 557 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: you know, Fletcher Cox, Jonathan Allen, Aaron Donald. Um er, no, no, no, 558 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm throwing out guys on the schedule. You say, 559 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald at the very least, Aaron Donald's not till December. 560 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: You got you got Kenny Clark coming up in September. 561 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: You got snax Harrison, uh snooze and new Sue is 562 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: in Tampa. Who is also on the schedule this year? 563 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: Aren't they no? The preseason schedule? Uh? Adam Redman all 564 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: over that. No, he's not, He's not playing that game. Yeah, 565 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: my point, My point being, there's a lot of good 566 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: dts on the schedule this year. I want to see 567 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: Connor do it when when it matters. It mattered in 568 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 1: the playoff game and all absolutely. Next name Travis Frederick. 569 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: How's he been a camp? What's the biggest question mark 570 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: for him? Besides the obvious? Because I think that's the 571 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: obvious question mark for him. Is there another question mark? 572 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Dave Um. I think I think 573 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: it all rolls into one. Like he kind of looks 574 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: like a guy who's coming back from a year long absence, 575 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: like he's still trying to find his way and relearn 576 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: the position and have it. You know, he talked about 577 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: muscle memory. I think he's trying to have it become 578 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: just instinct instead of having to think about it. He 579 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: hasn't He hasn't looked bad by any stretch, but you know, 580 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: he hasn't He hasn't been dominant. A big part of 581 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: that too, is because they've been resting him and not 582 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: letting him work in one on one so we haven't 583 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: seen as much of him as other guys. Um, my 584 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: question is, you know, how does that translate to the 585 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: regular season. Like I said a week or two ago 586 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: that he's on my list of guys that I won't 587 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: bet against. I still kind of feel that way, but 588 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: it until we see it, we we just can't assume 589 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: he's going to play an all pro. So that's the 590 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: big question for him is how quickly can he reacclimate 591 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: to this NFL thing? Amber. You know, I see a 592 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: lot of people on Twitter always asking, oh, House Travis 593 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: is gonna be ready? Is he gready to go? Bla 594 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: blah blah, And it's like, you have to remember, this 595 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: is a guy. The condition that he had was very 596 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: serious and he lost all his strength. He was limping around. 597 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: You know, it was a really sad thing to see. 598 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: So it's gonna take time. It's gonna take time for 599 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: him to regain all that strength and all that muscle. 600 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: He knows the position, he knows and you know, when 601 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: we've seen him going up like in place you see 602 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: him being careful. He's not going all out, you know, 603 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: and trying to accelerate the process. He's taking it slow. 604 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: And the great thing is because he is a veteran 605 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: and he has the experience that he has, he's able 606 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: to know his body and understand at what speed. You know, 607 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,239 Speaker 1: you're not dealing with a rookie that's trying to figure out, 608 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: Oh am I feeling am I hurt? Or am I 609 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: just feeling sore? You know he knows that, which is 610 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: a plus. So I think he's being very cautious of 611 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: himself and he understands where he's at. But he's making 612 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: daily progress. Now, how fast and how soon we're going 613 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: to see that going into the season, I don't know, 614 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: but at least it's promising to see him where he's 615 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: out from where he was before. Yeah, I'm not going 616 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: to spend time on how he looks. He looks, you know, 617 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: Okay at times it's different, but you know that that's 618 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: part of the process. Here, two questions that I have. 619 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: One is what I want to know and find out 620 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: is when he's there, how much even if he's not 621 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: at one hundred percent, it's his eighty five percent or 622 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: what ninety or whatever it is from an awareness standpoint, 623 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: how much that affects the team, especially down in the 624 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: red zone his recognition, does that maybe make up for 625 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: the fact that he doesn't have as much And if 626 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: that isn't the case, if he does struggle, where's his 627 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: hook with the team. This is a captain, this is 628 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: a veteran, but this is a head coach that doesn't 629 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: have a contract next year. So how much are we 630 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: gonna try to spare someone's feelings? If Joe Looney is 631 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: a better player, that's what I wonder how long it'll 632 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: take if that is the case? Can they say, you 633 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: know what, you know this is this is a great story. 634 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: We want you to get back and don't discourage you, 635 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: but we gotta we gotta make sure we don't lose this, 636 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: which and you know, I'm the king of saying said 637 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: anybody that's been to a Pro Bowl. But it sounds 638 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: like it would be a good idea to get him 639 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: some extended play in the preseason just to see where 640 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: he is. I mean, is he capable of doing this 641 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: right before you get to the regular real action. I 642 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: think he would be kind of like Sean Lee as 643 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: far as you know, not feeling but her if they 644 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: chose not to put him out there. You know Shaun 645 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: Lee's mentality, how he's being a team player and he 646 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: carries about I mean, Travis is a team player too, 647 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: But you know what I'm trying to sell. You never 648 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: know until they're in that situation. I mean there have 649 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: been guys that I kind of thought would be that 650 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: that later I was like, nah, there was some little 651 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: there was some chirpers behind the scenes, So you just 652 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: never know. I mean, you know, guys take it very 653 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: personally because this is your career. I think Travis will 654 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: be the first one to say, guys, I can't do 655 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: this like like I want to do. I think he would. 656 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: I think he'd be like listening. I know I have 657 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: a high standard for myself and I'm not hitting it. 658 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: And if you see it, I definitely see it. And 659 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: really I think it'll be okay if that happened, because 660 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: he'd be he'd be the first one to recognize it. 661 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: I hope not, because I think if it's all even 662 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: talent wise, I still think he gives the Cowboys more. 663 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: I mean, Looney, we all love Looney, but it was 664 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: sacked fifty five times. I mean, I don't think he's 665 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: sat that many times with Frederick. I think this recognition 666 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: of where the mic is and where things are that 667 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: he would he would do better than Looney. It doesn't 668 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: do better than money, all right, Zack Martin, Great, tell 669 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: me how you look before he can't. He got hurt. 670 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: Typical Zack Martin. He looked like Za good. Any questions 671 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: for him other than I mean, obviously the back injury, 672 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: as we talked about, when you talk about a back 673 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: injury for a guy before the season begins, especially an 674 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, that is a huge question. Yeah, what do 675 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,719 Speaker 1: you guys think there? What are your what are your 676 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: thoughts on kind of how you approach a season knowing 677 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: that you're going in with all already that against you 678 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: at a very critical position. Best case scenario is it's 679 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: just a one off and having some downtime to rest 680 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: it will help him and it won't be a big 681 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: deal at all. But if I had to guess, we 682 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: talked about this already, but the nature of the position, 683 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: it's probably something he's gonna have to just deal with. 684 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: But by virtue of being an NFL player, there will 685 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: be an army of people to help him deal with 686 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: it the best way that he can. And he is 687 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: also a tough son of a you know what I mean. 688 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: The fact that he did as much as he did 689 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: last season with what he was going through is amazing. 690 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: And you know, if any I mean, Zack Martin's eighty 691 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: five percent is better than most people's one hundred. So 692 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: it's concerning, but not to the point that I'm rethinking 693 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: the season, you know what I mean. He's the same way. 694 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm the same way. So I'll just ask this to everybody, 695 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: when's the next time you want to see him in 696 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: the game? Giants? Giants? Absolutely, I don't want to see 697 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: him in a uniform until now. Yeah, okay, And I 698 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: know Zack Martin would disagree with that. He even he 699 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: was like, I'm the type of guy that needs reps 700 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's awesome him, and I appreciate you, 701 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: but we're not gonna let you. But the only thing 702 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: I would say to that, and the way it would 703 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: be a little bit different. Let's say we get to 704 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: that third preseason game and it's sort of a dress rehearsal, 705 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: and here we are, Travis Frederick is now coming back 706 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: and gonna play in this game. We want to get 707 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: him those reps. Do you want to have your guy now? 708 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: Does that matter as much for it? Oh? I don't know, honestly. 709 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of with Dave on this one. I 710 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: know he's always like that with vets, But in my opinion, 711 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: when you got something like this that you feel like 712 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: you might have to manage all year, the fewer reps 713 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: the better. I'm not putting strain on him until it 714 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: counts towards the post, exactly. That's exactly right, all right, 715 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: real quick lyle Collins, tell me what you've seen from 716 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: him or if there any questions that you have at 717 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: this point with regard. Damn, it looks pretty good. I 718 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: mean yesterday he was really good. I was fighting with it. 719 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: Looks like a boxer in there, a nice little nice 720 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: That was a nice exchange between him and Tristan Hill. 721 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: Triston hill Man, he that guy kid is Uh, he's 722 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: one of those like he doesn't know what he does, no, 723 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: and and and that's kind of good. It's kind of good. 724 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: Off the air, I'll tell you. I said it on 725 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: We're practice. I said, you know who who Tristan Hill is? 726 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: He's Helman. Oh. Good. But then that was before he 727 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: started fighting someone. So I don't know. The saying I 728 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: don't know what, I don't know, no, no, no, no, 729 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: hurts not so much that it was. It was I'll 730 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: explain it a little bit. At the break it was 731 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: I had people going, yeah, um, so you're just gonna 732 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: leave the listeners like that. Yeah. Sometimes he just forgets 733 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: that we got people listening, We're just having a conversation, 734 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: imply whatever, and they don't know. All right Lyle Collins 735 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: is he's a grizzly bear like he's he's a big cuddly, 736 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: chill dude most of the time. But man, don't piss 737 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: him off. Do not sweat him most of the time. 738 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: I don't know about cuddling. Oh stop it, Lyles, whatever, 739 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: you ruined my analogy. He's I mean he you know, 740 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: as we saw the other day when he got beat 741 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: one play. In the next two plays, you could tell 742 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: he was not very happy. You can you can beat 743 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: him that you can beat him, but he will come 744 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: right back at you. That's how I would describe it. 745 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: We kind of had an extended talk about him yesterday. 746 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: He's he's playing well out here. 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It is the final 805 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: segment of the Break live from ox Dark, California. This 806 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: is the final practice of the Cowboys this morning at 807 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: ten forty five Pacific time. Then we head out at 808 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: tomorrow heading to San Francisco for the first preseason game 809 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: at the twenty nineteen season. Have a few more questions 810 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,919 Speaker 1: on the offensive line for these guys. Here's my first question. 811 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: If there's an injury at guard, who's the most capable replacement, 812 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: Joe Looney or Xavier Suafilo. I would like to see 813 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: that play out over the course of training camp, because 814 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer right now. You know, Xavier 815 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: Suafilo played well in spots last year. He also had 816 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: his fair share of struggles. We've obviously seen way more 817 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: of Looney at center than guard, but they gave him 818 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,919 Speaker 1: some run at right guard yesterday with the first team, 819 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 1: which maybe tells you they want to see that Davier 820 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: had been happen in that spot when it's curious that 821 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: they made that move. I don't know the answer. It's 822 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: nice that they're both there. I'll tell you that. I 823 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: was gonna say that when the segment started. Is it's 824 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: funny how that happens. It's like, man, look at all 825 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: this depth on the offensive line. Well, it's already being tested. 826 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,720 Speaker 1: I mean, Tyron's on a vet schedule, Zach is resting 827 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: his back, Travis is on a vet schedule. Connor McGovern's 828 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 1: peck issue has not let him get involved at all, 829 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, you're you're already kind of 830 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 1: thin when you're trying to juggle for practices in a row. 831 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: I'd say Suaphilo. I just think he's a better guard. 832 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: I think he's a better starter. That doesn't mean he's 833 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 1: going to be active over Looney. I think Looney would 834 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: be the better guy to be active. But if we 835 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 1: know going into the game that this guy's gonna start, 836 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: I think it would be Suaphilo. He's undefeated. Last year, 837 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: Kabys were undefeated when he started and finished a game, 838 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: I think it was seven and zero. So he came 839 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: in at that Eagles game. The only game they lost 840 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: was the Colts when he got hit in the eye 841 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: I guess, and didn't play, and then he didn't play 842 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 1: in the Rams game. So all right, when he's in there, 843 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, if there's an injury at tackle, who's a 844 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: more capable replacement, Cam Fleming or Connor Williams, Amber m 845 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: that's an interesting one, m I mean, and I'm assuming, 846 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: let's assume that it is a longer injury. It's not 847 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: like just to finish a game. You got to go 848 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 1: into a game. You got to go into a series 849 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: of games, and you need a replacement at tackle. Which 850 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: one would you rather have out there? Dang, it's not 851 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: about Connor Williams versus it's about it's about Cam Fleming 852 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: versus uh Sue Filoa. I don't think. I don't think 853 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: it's that hard right now, honestly, because you think, I mean, 854 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,280 Speaker 1: the best, the best hope you have for Connor Williams 855 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: right now is purely a projection. He's played tackle one 856 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: time in OTAs when there were no pads. Nobody out 857 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: here can tell me that they know how he'll play 858 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: if he's out there and we haven't seen it. Sobody 859 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: did in college? Yeah, yeah, he and he was. He 860 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: was a great college tackle. That doesn't mean a whole 861 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: lot now, especially especially a year removed. I mean, he's 862 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: been at guard for a year now, so but you've 863 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: seen Cam and what he can do. Cam. Cam has 864 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: had his struggles. But you know, we talk about Dak 865 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 1: as a practice player all the time. Cam kind of 866 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: gets his butt kicked out here on a regular basis. 867 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 1: But he's gone in. He went in last year or 868 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: over the course of three games, and he handled himself 869 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: much better than Chaz Green did the year before the 870 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: Super Bowl he started this. This is a guy with 871 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: twenty plus career starts at tackle who has been adequate 872 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,919 Speaker 1: at least. So I'll take that guy over Connor until 873 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: I would love to see Connor play some tackle. I 874 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: want to see that I just haven't yet. I think 875 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: I think that's the answer that you know for for 876 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: right now, we're talking about this season. But you get 877 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,799 Speaker 1: to the offseason, you're like, should we resign Let's say 878 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: we don't resign Lil And you're like, well, should we 879 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 1: resign Cam or should we try to move him out? 880 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 1: They don't have to resign Cam because they gave him 881 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 1: a two year deal, which was smart on there. Okay, 882 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: which one would you're going into an off season, I 883 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: think everyone would say, you know what, I would like 884 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: to see Connor at tackle in the offseason than than 885 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: play Fleming right right or or Connor mcgovernor like you, well, 886 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying you got you've got more options. Hopefully, next offseason, 887 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 1: then you have right now because McGovern will enter into 888 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,319 Speaker 1: the picture right after you what her prediction is after 889 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna mess up your game. No, the game's done. 890 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: The games then, okay, after four predictions, after four seasons, 891 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: my prediction, let me just talk right after four preseason games, 892 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna predict that we're talking about a tackle that's 893 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: really into this mix. But we weren't even be talking 894 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: about right now. Really, it could be it could be 895 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: m Hyatt, it could be Branded Night. Yeah, it could 896 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: be somebody like the I guess the guy that you 897 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: think is gonna maybe make the team. And if he 898 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 1: makes the team, does that push out? Yeah? These guys 899 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: who were talking about you know, Night is interesting. I 900 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,800 Speaker 1: don't really know how he's playing because he does have position. 901 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: Flex've been playing in d because of these injuries, because 902 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,320 Speaker 1: he was a consensus All American for a national championship 903 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 1: team that just holds weight, but that screams you ought 904 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,879 Speaker 1: to be able to play well. You see it does. 905 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: And then also seven teams went went through the you 906 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: know there are thirty two teams went through seven rounds each. 907 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 1: There a reason? Is there a reason he didn't get Drenning. 908 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just asking his strength. His strength is 909 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: not great and his foot quickness is not NFL standard. 910 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: I mean we see it all the time. Michael Sam measurable. 911 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: Michael Sam led the nation in sacks as a college 912 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: defensive end and couldn't catch on in the pros. I 913 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: mean you see that type of stuff all the time. 914 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,960 Speaker 1: So uh that that doesn't shock me. I did, I did? 915 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: I mean all of that stuff aside, if he could 916 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: really play, nobody would give a damn um. So, yeah, 917 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: you see that stuff. But night is intriguing to me 918 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,439 Speaker 1: because they're moving him around. He's got a mean streak 919 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 1: to him, just like Lyle does. So I've got my 920 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: eye on him, really mean streak. Oh yeah, he's really 921 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 1: he's nasty, like he's yeah. Uma. So that's something to 922 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: watch if I could put on, if I could look 923 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: into the crystal ball, I bet when the season's over 924 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,320 Speaker 1: and we're moving into the next season, it's gonna be 925 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 1: like a lot of talk about Cam Fleming, like, well, 926 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: we like what he can do a tackle, he's done this, 927 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,359 Speaker 1: he's done that for us, and they're gonna be real 928 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,879 Speaker 1: annoying about it. But then it's gonna turn into Cam 929 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: Fleming or Connor Williams, and the hope will be that 930 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: Connor Williams wins that job. And just just to throw 931 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: another name in there, I talked to a guy the 932 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 1: other day about the offensive line a little bit. I'm 933 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: just gonna ask about four or five guys. And the 934 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: first question with the guy said, you've been watching Adam 935 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: Redman looks pretty good. I was like, but really like, yeah, 936 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 1: he's Oh, he's looking really good. I'm like, okay, it's 937 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 1: hard to him in the man, it's hard to juggle 938 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 1: fifteen of these guys at once. Yeah, all right, guys, 939 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us. As you guys can hear 940 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,880 Speaker 1: in the background, the music is starting up. That Cowboys 941 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: practice is underway. They have a ten forty five am 942 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,480 Speaker 1: practice this morning, and uh and then they'll be off 943 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,399 Speaker 1: to a walk through this afternoon and then tomorrow off 944 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: to San Francisco for their first preseason game. Till then 945 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 1: for Nick Even, Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia. I am Derek Eagleton. 946 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot 947 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys 948 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club