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Speaker 1: What is up?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Everybody?

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Speaker 3: This is the Beatdown Podcast. Welcome into another episode. I

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Speaker 3: am your host and you're right for the Washington Commanders,

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Speaker 3: Zach Selby and guys.

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Speaker 1: The Commanders one in the Meadowlands. That's it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: They swore the Giants for the first time since twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one season with the twenty seven to twenty two victory.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't exactly the prettiest win, but it was efficient and

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Speaker 3: they got the job done, which is really the most

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Speaker 3: important thing. They are now seven and two for the

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Speaker 3: first time since nineteen ninety six. I was four years old,

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Speaker 3: just just a wee lad back in the day.

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Speaker 1: And now they are.

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Speaker 3: Heading back to Northwest Stadium to take on the Pittsburgh Steelers,

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Speaker 3: a big interconference matchup here. Russell Wilson is flying high

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Speaker 3: right now. I mean, what's the what is the Seals

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Speaker 3: version of Let's rile, Let's weld?

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Speaker 1: Is that? What that is?

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Speaker 3: Either way, the Steelers are doing really well right now,

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Speaker 3: six and two, coming up of buy a week. So

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Speaker 3: how did the Commanders pull off this win and go

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Speaker 3: eight and two for the first time since maybe eighty six? Well,

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Speaker 3: that is definitely what we're going to be talking about.

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Speaker 3: Joining me today is Logan Paul and Algaldi. You can

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Speaker 3: find him on the Algaldi podcast. Guys, how are we doing?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great too, Yeah, doing well, man. Super pumped

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Speaker 4: for this game. You know, I'm actually married to a

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Speaker 4: Steelers fan, so this is an especially big game in

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Speaker 4: my household. But really excited with what's going on with

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Speaker 4: the Commanders right now.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, since you brought that, I gotta know, like,

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Speaker 3: what is the what is the dynamic there?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean she's from Pittsburgh, she came down here

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Speaker 4: to teach and diehard Steelers span Her dad was a

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Speaker 4: season taken older for years, and you know, they're used

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Speaker 4: to a certain caliber football up there with you know,

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Speaker 4: the Steelers not having had a losing season in forever

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Speaker 4: and having just you know, three head coaches over the

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Speaker 4: last you know, two hundred years or whatever this dad is.

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Speaker 4: So it's really nice to have a team now that

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Speaker 4: is right on that level, if not.

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Speaker 5: Above that level. I mean, this is great.

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Speaker 4: This is a big game on Sunday afternoon, so super

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Speaker 3: It really is, and I'm really excited for it. You know, again,

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Speaker 3: I've never been seven and two with this franchise. One

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Speaker 3: went away from doubling the wind toll they have them

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Speaker 3: last year, which is always fantastic. But the people who

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Speaker 3: are listening, they know the spield, they know the deal. Here.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be asking these guys three questions, one offense,

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Speaker 3: one of defense, and one more of a general question.

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Speaker 3: There will be points that will be given out at

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Speaker 3: the end of each round, and since I am the

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Speaker 3: host of this podcast, I get decide the winner. That

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Speaker 3: is a heavy burden that is rested upon my shoulders.

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Speaker 3: But you shouldn't focus too much on on the results.

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Speaker 3: You shouldn't focus too much on who is the designate

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Speaker 3: of the winner, to be more focused on the points

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Speaker 3: bringing out. And with all that being said, let's just

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Speaker 3: jump right into it, starting with the guy we mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 3: Russell Wilson. And ever since he replaced Justin Fields as

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Speaker 3: You know, I only know a lot of people were

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's exactly what he's been. Thirteenth on deep

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Speaker 3: And obviously they did just completely trade for larsh Marshall

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna win.

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Speaker 3: UH. But in terms of how they can prevent these

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Speaker 3: of an issue, but Logan starting with you, like when

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think, you know, one of the things

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Speaker 2: they're running the football, they're kind of hitting some play

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Speaker 2: And then when they need these explosive plays like they're

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Speaker 2: It's like Pickens is running a vertical route. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: right on this fifties fifty contested catch. So to me,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing is there a lot of mystery. It's just

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Speaker 2: It's like, if you can't find that explosive chunk play,

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Speaker 2: it's like, can we find a way to create a

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Speaker 2: pure statistics that they're not going to come down with

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Speaker 2: what I would say is like, probably pick your best matchup,

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Speaker 2: which is sent Benjamin Saint Jewish, throw different covert structures

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Speaker 2: looks so that when they do throw that deep ball,

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Speaker 2: sometimes it's banding man, sometimes it's covered two. And then

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Speaker 2: the other thing that I think is incredibly important in

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Speaker 2: being very effective with the commander's offense and scoring a

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Speaker 2: more efficient passing attack. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned a lot of your points there, and

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Speaker 3: I want to I'll circle back on those on a

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Speaker 3: other part of this explosive passing attack, which would be

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Speaker 3: George Pickens. And you brought him up and right now

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Speaker 3: he's ninth in the NFL with contested contested catch targets

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Speaker 3: I think you know, George Pickens is an interesting matchup

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Speaker 1: What do you what do you how do you how

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Speaker 1: do you expect the you know, Joe A.

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Speaker 4: So Pickens is a really interesting guy. He's very good,

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Speaker 4: he's very talented, but he also can be a head case.

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Speaker 4: There have been issues with Pickens during his time with

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Speaker 4: And you know, I know that Benjamin Saint Jews has

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Speaker 4: so I wonder if this is a matchup where maybe

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Speaker 4: think the number one thing with Wilson, and this is

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Speaker 2: His success with.

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Speaker 4: The Steelers has stood out no doubt, these last two games,

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Speaker 4: averaging more than nine yards per pass attempt, averaging more

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Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels like numbers, but if you dig a little deeper,

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Speaker 4: you go buy sharp football analysis. The stats that Warren's

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Speaker 4: got up there. Wilson is just six for seventeen on

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Speaker 4: not having success. If the Commanders can generate pressure, I

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Speaker 5: And you know I think about this. You mentioned Joe

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Speaker 5: wid Junior.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how serious he willis when he said

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Speaker 4: this during his preractice press conference last Thursday, said that

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he said that just to say

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Speaker 3: And you know, you both mentioned mentioned press pressuring Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you also talk about, you know, making sure

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well Harris is hot Steelers in the midst of

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Speaker 4: We have seen Johnny Newton do some good things, and

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Speaker 4: If you look at Bobby Wagner's PFF grades, he ranks

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Speaker 4: praise Rodriguez during Quinn's opening statement of his postgame press conference.

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Speaker 4: Then Quinn this week has praised Rodriguez once again multiple

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Speaker 4: times in back, Rodriguez seems like, you know, a little

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Speaker 4: brother version of B rob in terms of like physical

439
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Speaker 4: runs violently. If Robinson isn't back, I would not be

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Speaker 4: against Rodriguez getting some red zone carries.

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Speaker 5: I know the lead has been more toured well.

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Speaker 4: If Robinson is out, to go with an Austin Eckler

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Speaker 4: or Jeremy McNichols, and they certainly have had their success.

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Speaker 5: But man, I like Rodriguez. I thought he did a

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Speaker 5: good job last season.

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Speaker 4: You know pretty clearly his training camp season, his preseason

447
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Speaker 4: did not go particularly well ergo, he was let go

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Speaker 4: in the cutdown of fifty three, but I think he

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Speaker 4: has talent in it. I would not be against him

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Speaker 4: getting some red zone carries if Robinson is out. Obviously

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Speaker 4: you can basketball in the red zone. We saw that

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Speaker 4: with the JAD and Daniels touchdown pass to Terry mcflure

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Speaker 4: on the first one last Sunday. But if you're gonna

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Speaker 4: have to run the ball against his tough Steelers defense

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Speaker 4: inside the twenty, I think Robinson or Rodriguez might be

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Speaker 4: the way to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you bring up Rodriguez, and I was really

458
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Speaker 3: happy to see that he was doing well, you know,

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Speaker 3: led the team in rushing yards, really had I think

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Speaker 3: like five carries there in that last ride to help ice.

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Speaker 1: The game against the Giants.

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Speaker 3: But you also bring in Brian Robinson, you know, who

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Speaker 3: was out last week, and he's he was limited in

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Speaker 3: practice on Wednesday. We'll see what happens at the time

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Speaker 3: of this recording, it is before practice on Thursday, so

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Speaker 3: we'll see where he goes.

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Speaker 1: But Logan like.

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Speaker 3: Just specifically talking about Brian Robinson, like how how much

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Speaker 3: more diverse is he? Like does he allow the offense

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Speaker 3: to be especially like you know, in scoring position like that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's it's simple in the

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Speaker 2: sense that he's an efficient He's an efficient runner. And

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Speaker 2: what I mean by that is he's a guy that

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Speaker 2: you know, has excellent content balance, excellent vision, and can

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Speaker 2: keep you on schedule. So when the run's not blocked

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Speaker 2: exactly riot, he has the power to kind of create

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Speaker 2: his own hole, create his own space, and the vision

478
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Speaker 2: to kind of find the soft spots and ride the

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Speaker 2: crease as they call it. So to me, he's just

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Speaker 2: to me, the value that he brings is that he

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Speaker 2: gives Cliff confidence in the run game. And I think

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Speaker 2: that's where you know, like Al was talking about with

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Speaker 2: Chris Rodriguez, he has a very similar skill set and

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Speaker 2: he's got the power to kind of create his own opportunities.

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Speaker 2: So to me, that's the value. And in the low red,

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Speaker 2: like when the throwing windows are tight, when the opportunities

487
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Speaker 2: are sparse in terms of throwing windows, like, it's nice

488
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Speaker 2: having a guy that can keep you on schedule and

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Speaker 2: fall forward for three yards when there's nothing there for you,

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Speaker 2: and you can live in those situations a little bit

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Speaker 2: more reticently when the down and distance favors you. So

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Speaker 2: I think that's where b Rob's value comes in in

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Speaker 2: the low red. It's just he's an efficient, powerful runner

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Speaker 2: with good vision and can maximize touches in difficult looks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he really does. And you know, again, he's not

496
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Speaker 3: like he's not necessarily Derek Henry. He's gonna be able

497
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Speaker 3: to just.

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Speaker 1: Run rushot over everybody.

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Speaker 3: He's not, you know, like Christop McCaffery, who's gonna be

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Speaker 3: able to speed past too. But he does have a

501
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Speaker 3: little bit of both, I think, and plus like he

502
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Speaker 3: has a really tough guard, especially on third and short.

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Speaker 3: I think that's that's really where his value uh brings

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Speaker 3: a lot, Like it's just because he's able to keep

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Speaker 3: the change moving and keep the momentum going. I think

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Speaker 3: that's that's so big for this offense. And I hope

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Speaker 3: he's able to play because I want I love watching

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Speaker 3: him run. And two, I think this offense is a

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Speaker 3: lot more exciting and a lot more fun. Uh when

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Speaker 3: when you have a talented gaal, I'd be riving there

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Speaker 3: the backfield, even though Rodriguez assuming he if he does,

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Speaker 3: you know, if he does have to play, and there's

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Speaker 3: some some things with the roster that have to go

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Speaker 3: for they have to happen for that to be a reality. Uh,

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Speaker 3: either way, we'll see what happens. We're gonna move on

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Speaker 3: to the final question. Uh, you guys are tied. Uh

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Speaker 3: So there's that, but we're this is all gonna come

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Speaker 3: out of the last question here. And obviously there's gonna

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Speaker 3: be a lot of really key players for the commanders

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Speaker 3: to have to to account for. One of them on

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Speaker 3: offense we were I talked about would be George Pickens.

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Speaker 3: The second one will be TJ. Watt, who is. I

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Speaker 3: think a lot of people put put him with the

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Speaker 3: odds on favorite to win Devensive Player of the Year.

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Speaker 3: He's just been that explosive, just been just that good

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Speaker 3: as we all expected from Galla TJ Watt. So, Logan,

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Speaker 3: we'll start with you first, very just binary question here.

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Speaker 1: Who do you think is more important for the Commanders

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Speaker 1: to account for and stop on Sunday? TJ. Watt or

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Speaker 1: George Pickens?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we talk a little about George Pickens

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Speaker 2: at the top and when he brings to the offense

533
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Speaker 2: in terms of his ability to maximize those contests to

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Speaker 2: catch opportunities. So I definitely think it's important that you

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Speaker 2: regulate him. But in terms of who the Steelers want

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Speaker 2: to be, what is their identity to their core, they're

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Speaker 2: a defensive football team, and who leads the defense at

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Speaker 2: TJ Watt? And again, he's not the most prolific or

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Speaker 2: effective down to down pass rusher, but against some of

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Speaker 2: the best pass rushers I ever played against in my career,

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Speaker 2: they understand the moment, they understand when to take their shot.

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Speaker 2: And in watching him, watching his sacks from this season,

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Speaker 2: it's I haven't seen someone this year studied someone this

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Speaker 2: year that understands that better than t J. Watt. He

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Speaker 2: understands when to take a shot, and when he takes

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Speaker 2: his shot, he usually connects on it. He leads the

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Speaker 2: NFL with four force fumbles, like their impactful plays not

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Speaker 2: only in terms of the sack, but in terms of

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Speaker 2: turning the football over. So to me, you know, are

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Speaker 2: the thing that drives this team right now is the offense.

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Speaker 2: Who helms the offense? It's Shadon Daniels. How do we

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Speaker 2: keep him upright? How do we keep the offense efficient?

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Speaker 2: And that to me is managing t J. Watt, managing

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Speaker 2: High Smith, managing Nate Herbig if he does end up

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Speaker 2: playing like those three pass rushers, all need to be managing.

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Speaker 2: And the guy that kind of helms the ship, the

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Speaker 2: leader of the horsemen of the pass rush in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: is TJ. Watt. Definitely to have a plan for him,

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Speaker 2: whether that's ship, help slide, help minimize his impact on

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Speaker 2: the game and let Jane Daniels do what Jade Daniels does.

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Speaker 2: So to me, he's the guy that needs to be

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Speaker 2: accounted for on this game.

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Speaker 3: And to your point, I think the commanders have done

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Speaker 3: a very good job against He's you know, really solid

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Speaker 3: pass rushers. You know, dexel Ourent didn't record a pressure

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Speaker 3: last week again with the Giant, Miles Gear didn't scord

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Speaker 3: a stat at all. He was basically a non factor

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Speaker 3: for the Browns a few weeks ago. So yeah, I

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Speaker 3: do feel really confident about what how they offer THEE

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Speaker 3: can handle TJ.

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Speaker 5: Why all right?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: The same to you George Pickens or tjy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say TJ. Watt Pickens is good, but

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Speaker 4: I don't know that anyone can argue realistically that he's

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Speaker 4: the best receiver in the NFL. You can make a

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Speaker 4: compelling argument that Watt is the best edge defender in

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Speaker 4: the NFL. He's so good, He's been so good for

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Speaker 4: years now. You know, you mentioned his ability. Logan did

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Speaker 4: about like recognizing the moment. If you go by overall

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Speaker 4: PFF grades in fourth quarterers, TJ. Watts is not ninety

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Speaker 4: three point three for this season like he has been

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Speaker 4: at his best in clutch time, in winning time, as

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Speaker 4: Dan Quinn has been calling it. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: you got to stop what He has the ability to

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Speaker 4: take over a game, which is not something you can

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Speaker 4: say for a lot of defensive players in the modern NFL.

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Speaker 4: But what certainly can do that? Now you just mentioned

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Speaker 4: and Zach, I think a key point. The Commanders this

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Speaker 4: season have done such a good job against some of

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Speaker 4: these elite defense in alignment. When you look at Miles Garrett,

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Speaker 4: when you look at Dexter, Lawrence, Cliff Kingsbury has shown

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Speaker 4: an aptitude for coming up with a plan to neutralize

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Speaker 4: these guys. Now, I'm not assuming that that's gonna happen

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Speaker 4: with Lot Again, he is really good, and the Steelers

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Speaker 4: have other good edge defend. There's two including just having

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Speaker 4: traded for a guy we know well in Preston Smith.

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Speaker 4: But you know, if you can have another game in

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Speaker 4: which Brandon Coleman does a really good job at left

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Speaker 4: tackle and you give Coleman help, he could get some

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Speaker 4: help in that win at the Giants. But you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe you can survive what doing what he does because

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Speaker 4: he's gonna have his moments like he's going to win

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Speaker 4: his share of reps. I think that's pretty obvious. But

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Speaker 4: do you allow those one reps to wreck you or

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Speaker 4: are they more Okay, he pressured you, but.

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Speaker 5: You were able to survive that snap.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's gonna be key, but what is

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Speaker 4: a special player and the commanders are going to have

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Speaker 4: their hands full with them, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: And you know, you mentioned Cliff and I think one

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Speaker 3: of the one of the more fun things that I

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Speaker 3: that I've enjoyed over this of the season is watching

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Speaker 3: Cliff Is come of these really unique concepts in terms

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Speaker 3: of slide protection, in terms of chipping, in terms of

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Speaker 3: just insulating this offensive line in ways that you know

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Speaker 3: they I mean this, this is one of the one

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Speaker 3: of the worst in terms of allowing sacks last year.

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Speaker 3: Obviously there were other factors involved in that, but this

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Speaker 3: year they've they've been I.

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Speaker 1: Mean really really good.

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of other things for that, but

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Speaker 3: like the players themselves have also been very solid. All right,

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Speaker 3: So winners. You know, it's a very very close matchup,

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Speaker 3: you guys, very close, but I think I have to

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Speaker 3: go with Logan. I have to go with you. I

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Speaker 3: think you're the You're the winner here. Do you have

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Speaker 3: any parting words of victory for us?

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Speaker 2: Well, just Al was a great competitor day, a lot

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Speaker 2: of good points. Learned a lot from his insight today,

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Speaker 2: So thanks Al for all that, and Zach, thanks for

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Speaker 2: having me on the show and looking forward to be

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Speaker 2: back soon. It feels good to come out of here

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Speaker 2: in such an illustrious competition with a victory.

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Speaker 3: Professional as always Hopefully like the Commanders will be coming

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Speaker 3: out of this weekend with another win, a four straight

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Speaker 3: win going to eight and two Radi inter Divisional play,

638
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Speaker 3: the harder Divisional play with another matchup against the Philadelphia

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Speaker 3: Eagles on Thursday Night football, which we will not be

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Speaker 3: previewing guys, so we'll be skipping the next week's we'll

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Speaker 3: be heading our next time you hear this will be

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Speaker 3: against the Dallas Cowboys in that preview. But be sure

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Speaker 3: to rate, review, subscribe everywhere you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: And this has been the beatdown