WEBVTT - Invention Playlist 3: The Atlatl Spear Thrower

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Invention, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Invention. My name is Robert lamp and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Mccormickin today, we wanted to have a little discussion

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<v Speaker 1>about how certain types of weapons going way back into history,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially projectile weapons, changed the human animal. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean put yourself as much as is possible

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<v Speaker 1>in the mindset of our prehistoric ancestors. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>you know there they were. They were scroungers, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>leveraging a large primate brain to forage sustenance from roots

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<v Speaker 1>and berries, uh, you know, from from the meat they

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<v Speaker 1>learned to catch, scavenge or steel from larger predators. And

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<v Speaker 1>key to all of this is distance. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>easy to take this for granted, and especially those of

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<v Speaker 1>us who are removed from any kind of hunting tradition. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a story about this. Actually, for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time in my life, the other day, somehow I got

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<v Speaker 1>within like twenty feet of a deer. I was just

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<v Speaker 1>out walking my dog along a forest path here in town,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a park here in town. Um, and uh

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<v Speaker 1>that I was completely blind to it. Suddenly the dog's

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<v Speaker 1>attention goes, you know, rigid, This whole body is just

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<v Speaker 1>full of electric tension, and his ears are up and

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<v Speaker 1>he's frozen, and I'm like, what's going on? And then

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<v Speaker 1>the deer bolts, and the deer had been, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe less than twenty feet away from my body, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'd been just blind to it. It completely blended in

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<v Speaker 1>with the leaves and the trees and all that. But

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<v Speaker 1>what it actually made me realize is I never get

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<v Speaker 1>that close to a deer. Normally, at long distances away,

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<v Speaker 1>they hear you moving and they bolt. You don't get

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere that close to him. Yeah, And I mean, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>there are places where you can you can go where

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<v Speaker 1>the wildlife has been desensitized to human presence, such as

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<v Speaker 1>say you go to Yosemite National Park, you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>or where you go to the Grand Canyon, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>in some of those high tourist areas where the animals

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<v Speaker 1>are not in danger, and therefore you can get i'll

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<v Speaker 1>alarmingly close to say an enormous elk or a Grand

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<v Speaker 1>Canyon squirrel. Oh yeah, the Grand Canyon squirrel. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that highlights the other thing is if people have

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<v Speaker 1>been illicitly feeding these animals, which in general you shouldn't do. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do not feed the bears. But yeah, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>this this drives home that like, uh, during this time, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're there are all these animals at large

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. But how many can you get close to?

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<v Speaker 1>How many can you get close to enough to potentially

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<v Speaker 1>kill in order to acquire their protein? Um, it's gonna,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, depend you know, situationally, it's going to depend

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<v Speaker 1>you know, is this an injured animal? Is this an

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<v Speaker 1>animal that was killed by another predator? But a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of it is going to come down to like human skill.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh can you can you stalk this creature? Can you

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<v Speaker 1>be stealthy enough to close the distance between yourself and

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<v Speaker 1>the protein? And there are some theories about like the

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<v Speaker 1>the ability of endurance running in humans, that endurance runing,

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<v Speaker 1>our ability at marathon ng and stuff is to compensate

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<v Speaker 1>for the fact that a short distances almost all prey

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<v Speaker 1>animals can outrun us. But that with a lot of them,

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<v Speaker 1>we can run for longer than they can, and after

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<v Speaker 1>they tire out and can't go anymore, we can finally

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<v Speaker 1>catch up with them. Yeah, It's it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>the terminator approach. But this is yeah, this is part

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<v Speaker 1>of our human hunting heritage, is that this was one

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<v Speaker 1>way we were like, well, I can't I can't out

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<v Speaker 1>battle the animal, I can't outrun it. But I can

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<v Speaker 1>be persistent and I can I can fix my mind

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<v Speaker 1>on it, and I can just never stop until it

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<v Speaker 1>wears out. But even then, if you're getting close range

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<v Speaker 1>with even a lot of prey animals, I mean not

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<v Speaker 1>to speak of predators who might be preying on us,

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<v Speaker 1>but say like a large bovid type animal, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a bison or a or a large stag or a moose.

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<v Speaker 1>You get close to one of those things and it

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<v Speaker 1>can hurt you. Oh yeah, I mean you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>either being gored by the point of end or or

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<v Speaker 1>kicked by the other end. And these can these can

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<v Speaker 1>be fatal blows or gores in either case. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>then yeah, the predators as well, like these are animals

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<v Speaker 1>that are far more adept at closing the distance between

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<v Speaker 1>their hunger and the shape of you know, a lowly

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<v Speaker 1>primate for example. Uh, A primate that you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>all its tricks of stone and stick and fire, is

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<v Speaker 1>still helpless against an adversary or even a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, a large prey animal if there is

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<v Speaker 1>no distance left and no technological advantage exactly. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about a time here when there were no

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<v Speaker 1>bows and arrows yet, so we had we had rocks

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<v Speaker 1>that could be thrown and uh, and this is being

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<v Speaker 1>one of of the rocks many specialized roles that we've

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<v Speaker 1>created for it, um, you know, and because we had

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<v Speaker 1>pretty dexterous hands, right uh. And we're pretty good at

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<v Speaker 1>throwing things, but there's only so much you can do

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<v Speaker 1>with a rock. And then of course there's the spear.

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<v Speaker 1>The spear. The spear is kind of a game changer,

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<v Speaker 1>right yeah. I mean the spear is it's a tree

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<v Speaker 1>that we've made into a horn, right or into an

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<v Speaker 1>antler or a great tooth um. And uh. The thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>when we're looking back at a prehistoric humans and even

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<v Speaker 1>their their predecessors, you know, these were things that were

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<v Speaker 1>already in use. The spear had had been in use

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<v Speaker 1>by these creatures and those that came before them for

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of thousands of years um. And we should also,

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<v Speaker 1>I think make a distinction between the the thrusting spear,

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<v Speaker 1>which is used for stabbing and the throwing spear. Right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean either way, we're talking about an incredible piece

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<v Speaker 1>of technology because it enables them to hunt prey and

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<v Speaker 1>defend against predators that their ancestors could have rarely engaged.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and um, you know there were there were limits

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<v Speaker 1>either way. So if you're using it as a thrusting tool, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's still pretty impressive, right because you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about say a six to seven foot spear, But

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<v Speaker 1>then you still have the big distance problem about getting

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<v Speaker 1>close to a prey animal that might be dangerous or

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<v Speaker 1>just impossible because it's outrunning you. Right, Yeah, So six

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<v Speaker 1>to seven feet you can you know, thrusting it, you're

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<v Speaker 1>adding to the length of that spear essentially. But unless

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<v Speaker 1>you are just super lucky or just or skillful beyond words,

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<v Speaker 1>that one spear is probably not going to be enough

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, or you're gonna miss or you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hit the wrong spot. So you know, you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to depend on all these other bits of primate trickery

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<v Speaker 1>at your disposal. You're gonna have to depend on the

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<v Speaker 1>stealth numbers, some sort of strategy. Um, you know, multiple

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<v Speaker 1>spear thrusters and even then you're awfully close to a

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous animal. And even when you're getting into throne spears,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, essentially a javelin, even then you're there are

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<v Speaker 1>limits to to the range and you're still going to

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<v Speaker 1>be faced with a similar situation. You still have to

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<v Speaker 1>get you have to close the distance enough to utilize

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<v Speaker 1>the weapon, and then you need to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>close the deal without the creature fleeing again, leaving you

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<v Speaker 1>in the dust and perhaps being picked off by some

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<v Speaker 1>other predator that's more skillful than you, that can take

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of the wounded. Yeah, that's all right. But even

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<v Speaker 1>given all of these limitations, we shouldn't underestimate the power

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<v Speaker 1>of the spirit. It's sort of changed what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>predator we are thinking about before projectile weapons. You are,

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<v Speaker 1>you are so limited just just by reach, and the

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<v Speaker 1>spear that that is thrown is a kind of revolutionary

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<v Speaker 1>update of the body schema. You know, it's it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a tooth that leaves the body. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is you know, sort of the you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>see that kind of advancement sometimes in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the biological world. But yeah, for the moment, for

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<v Speaker 1>certainly for a primate. This is a new skill altogether. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a but it's a pretty it's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>old invention. UM the spirit itself when we try to

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<v Speaker 1>date it. While the remains of wooden spears have been

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<v Speaker 1>found in Hanover, Germany that date back to four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years ago, and we're talking between six and seven

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<v Speaker 1>point five foot javelins here, UM, so the idea is

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<v Speaker 1>that they would have been thrown weapons. UH. The technology

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<v Speaker 1>UM is even older, though the weapons don't always survive UM.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, they fossilized rhinoceros shoulder blade UM was found

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<v Speaker 1>in Box Grove, England, and it had a projectile wound

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<v Speaker 1>in it, and that's been dated to about five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years ago. And this, incidentally, this wouldn't have been

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<v Speaker 1>the work of of of modern Homo sapiens. This would

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<v Speaker 1>have been the work of Homo heidelberg insis, which was

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<v Speaker 1>an immediate process that predecessed there to Homo sapiens. And UH.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of how these spirlit spears were composed, stone

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<v Speaker 1>pointed spears date back at least three hundred thousand years

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<v Speaker 1>to Neanderthals and archaic Homo sapiens but five hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>year old deposits at cathu Pan in South Africa have

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<v Speaker 1>presented evidence of their use among Homo heidelberg insis. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>the spear is ultimately more ancient than even our species. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of a weapon that you can throw, especially

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<v Speaker 1>like a spear that you can throw, that's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>an upgrade on just throwing a rock or even throwing

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<v Speaker 1>like a byface. So you know, like the hand axes

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<v Speaker 1>that we've talked about, um, that you might have been

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<v Speaker 1>able to create a sharp edge on, and we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly what those were always for. We don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that they were necessarily thrown weapons. Um. But but throwing

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<v Speaker 1>a spear is definitely an upgrade. I mean that that

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<v Speaker 1>adds a new dimension of lethality to to the reach

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<v Speaker 1>of your body in a hunting or fighting context. But

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<v Speaker 1>you're still somewhat limited in range there, because have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever tried to throw a seven foot spear? How far

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<v Speaker 1>can you throw it? I mean, I've thrown a broom before,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's hardly the same thing. Uh Well, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you probably know intuitively that you're not going to achieve

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<v Speaker 1>the same kind of range. Uh and speed of throw

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<v Speaker 1>with a with a hand thrown spear that you can

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<v Speaker 1>with say a bow and arrow, right, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>go a lot farther and shoot a lot faster, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>with an arrow and an attention bow than you can

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to hurl a rod out of your hand. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll get into some of the comparative ranges as

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<v Speaker 1>we proceed here. But uh, in terms of just looking

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<v Speaker 1>at a throne spear, you have to take into account

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<v Speaker 1>the math of range and accuracy. Right, Um, But consider

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<v Speaker 1>the modern Olympic record for javelin throwing, which we might

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<v Speaker 1>consider sort of the peak of distant spear throwing technology

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<v Speaker 1>because we're talking about utilizing him in the cases you know,

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<v Speaker 1>modern designs, modern materials, and also this is generally a

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<v Speaker 1>situation where one is is not trying to take down

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<v Speaker 1>a living animal. Uh, You're you're just throwing for distance sake.

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<v Speaker 1>But the the the record that I ran across was

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and four point eighty meters or three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and forty three feet nine and three four inches. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was a record set, an Olympic record set by

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<v Speaker 1>East Germany's Yui Han in En four. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>actually a throw that forced a redesign in an Olympic

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<v Speaker 1>javelins to keep them within the safe confines of the field. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>As such, he's the only Olympic javelin thrower to break

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<v Speaker 1>the hundred meter barrier. But as we're saying this, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is something that is a modern situation, brought about

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<v Speaker 1>by the fact of modern design and materials of this

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<v Speaker 1>javelin and the fact that he's purely going for distance.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not an attempt to hit something and wound

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<v Speaker 1>it with accuracy. Right, Yeah, there's a difference between say,

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<v Speaker 1>hitting the broadside of a barn and then hitting the

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<v Speaker 1>broadside of Satan mammoth, and and again with the mind

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<v Speaker 1>of not only hitting it and saying, hey, look how

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<v Speaker 1>great I am at throwing a javelin. No, you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>not great at throwing a javelin in the prehistoric context

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<v Speaker 1>unless you and those working with you can bring the

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<v Speaker 1>animal down, because ultimately it's all about survival. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>the spear was a game changer and it was around

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. I mean, we're we're not really

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<v Speaker 1>even really going to get into military usage all that

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<v Speaker 1>much in this episode, but um, you know, we should

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<v Speaker 1>note that the spear would remain, would become and remain

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<v Speaker 1>a standard in military conflict for thousands of years, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when used in a phalanx, you know, a close formation

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<v Speaker 1>of troops that all have spears. But then again, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be able to use that really to to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, go bring down of stag. Not really, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't really think about that being hunting tactic, right, Your

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<v Speaker 1>falanx doesn't really keep up with the stag. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>the spear was a major technology, was a game changer,

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<v Speaker 1>and it remained in use for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>But at some point a new range weapon uh came

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<v Speaker 1>on the scene, and that was, of course the bow

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<v Speaker 1>and arrow. Right. And you might think, okay, well, there's

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<v Speaker 1>just like the next step, right, you go from throwing

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<v Speaker 1>a spear with your hand to the bow and arrow

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<v Speaker 1>and there's nothing in between, right, Uh. When that is

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<v Speaker 1>not true. That's the that that is the whole reason

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing this episode is to talk about the technology

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<v Speaker 1>that comes between these advancements. That's right. We are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a projectile delivery system, one of the one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most beautiful early machines that humans put together that

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<v Speaker 1>is commonly today known as the addle adele. Alright, on

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<v Speaker 1>that note, we're gonna take a quick break, but when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, we are going to discuss the spear

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<v Speaker 1>throwing technology. Alright, we're back, so it's time to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about upgrading the spear by upgrading the delivery mechanism of

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<v Speaker 1>the spear. And this is before you get to the

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<v Speaker 1>bow and arrow. This is after the hand thrown spear,

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<v Speaker 1>before the bow and arrow. There's this weapon that comes

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<v Speaker 1>along in human techno history. Uh and it's not nearly

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<v Speaker 1>as well known as the bow, obviously, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>nevertheless one of the most world changing and longest use

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<v Speaker 1>technologies in human history. And this weapon is the audleladdle. Uh. So,

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<v Speaker 1>the word addle lattle is spelled a t l a

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<v Speaker 1>t l. It comes from the n waddle language of

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<v Speaker 1>the Aztec. But it's it's just that's just one regional

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<v Speaker 1>variant of the name. More generally, this technology is sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>known as the spear thrower or the dart thrower. Though

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<v Speaker 1>don't let the word dart give you the wrong idea there.

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<v Speaker 1>When I first read dart thrower, I was thinking, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>like a game of darts. So something that's like four

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<v Speaker 1>inches long and hold in your hand now that this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be referring to a huge projectile. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking a something that you would look at and

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<v Speaker 1>classify as a very large arrow or a or a

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<v Speaker 1>or even just a spear, like a spear with fletching

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<v Speaker 1>sort of. So there are other words and other languages

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<v Speaker 1>for the same tool. Uh. Apparently in Spanish it's known

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<v Speaker 1>as the estolica, and in French it's the propulsire. The

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<v Speaker 1>English transliterations, I think of the common Australian terms for

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<v Speaker 1>it are are woomera or miru. I was reading that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a version used by some of the you pick

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<v Speaker 1>people of Alaska, mostly for hunting seals. Reportedly even to

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<v Speaker 1>the present day by some that's called the new cock

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<v Speaker 1>or the throwing board. On this being the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's essentially in this case of I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of board shaped. Yeah, not the dart itself, but

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<v Speaker 1>the throwing device, the the the equivalent of the addle addle,

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<v Speaker 1>which we're going to be focusing on today. So what

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<v Speaker 1>is this thing if you've never seen one in action? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways, it looks so simple, it's deceptively simple.

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<v Speaker 1>It's simple in a way that hides the gene use

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<v Speaker 1>of this invention, and I would argue that it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of our earliest biological augmentations, ways of sort of upgrading

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<v Speaker 1>the human body, almost in a kind of video game,

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<v Speaker 1>since like sort of the first steps towards cyborg dum.

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<v Speaker 1>One example, of course, of this type of bioaugmentation would

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<v Speaker 1>be something like wearing animal skins as clothes. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this turns our relatively climate sensitive bodies into technological hybrids,

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<v Speaker 1>like as if we had fur and extra layers of

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<v Speaker 1>skin to help us keep warm and protect us from

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<v Speaker 1>the weather. And the addle Lottele is like this, except

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<v Speaker 1>instead of upgrading our epidermist. It's a similar type of

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<v Speaker 1>upgrade for the spear throwing human arm. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like any tool use upgrades the body schema, like it

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<v Speaker 1>updates the way that your brain is processing the limits

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<v Speaker 1>of your body and how you use your body. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you use a you have a sharpened

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<v Speaker 1>uh stick in your hand, you have a sword in

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<v Speaker 1>your hand, well, your that is an extension of your arm. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an increased like the lethalid in the reach of

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<v Speaker 1>your hand, right, and that in a nutshell is what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on here is increasing the length of the throwing arm.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Well, one bit of technology that that it's I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's sort of comparable to, is the tennis ball

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<v Speaker 1>thrower that dog enthusiast and dog owners sometimes have. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've ever seen one of these things that I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's mostly actually just for keeping the slobber off

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<v Speaker 1>of your helps you pick it up to so it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a little scoop that you know, if your your

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<v Speaker 1>dog brings the tennis ball back to you, it's covered

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<v Speaker 1>in in drool and you pick it up in this

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<v Speaker 1>scoop and then you whip the scoop out overhand and

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<v Speaker 1>throw the ball. And it also helps you get distance

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<v Speaker 1>on the because I don't have one that's for dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have one um that that is for for children,

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<v Speaker 1>similar concept. I guess where the child out by throwing

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<v Speaker 1>it farther so that but it's like a whistle ball,

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<v Speaker 1>like one of these like nerf whistleball things. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was it's really super fun because you can just really

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<v Speaker 1>hurl this thing like like like crazy like far, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>far greater distance than you could by just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>throw it like a mini football. But how does that happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Your arm didn't get any stronger. You're just as strong

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<v Speaker 1>as you were when you were throwing at those puny

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<v Speaker 1>distances with your hand. Uh So, the same principle is

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<v Speaker 1>at play in the addle addle. So the invention has

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<v Speaker 1>two primary parts. One is the dart, which we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a minute ago. It looks sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>a huge arrow. It's going to be usually a wooden

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<v Speaker 1>shaft with a sharpened point at its tip, either like

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<v Speaker 1>a stone spearhead or just a sharpened wooden tip in

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<v Speaker 1>anything sharp and puncturing. And then on the back it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to have fletchings. So I think these feather fins

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<v Speaker 1>that you would see on the back of an arrow,

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<v Speaker 1>and those are for aerodynamic stabilization. They help it fly straight.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've never seen a dart like this, basically just

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<v Speaker 1>picture something that is like an arrow, but spear sized,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe six feet or about one point eight meters long

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<v Speaker 1>on average, though they can be a good bit longer

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<v Speaker 1>or shorter. The average is about six or seven feet.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you've got the launching device, the auto laddle itself,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a baton that is used to throw the dart,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is usually going to be in the range

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<v Speaker 1>of about one and a half to two ft long,

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<v Speaker 1>or about fifty to sixty centimeters roughly. Though then again,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like the dart, this can be a good

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<v Speaker 1>bit longer or shorter. Uh so, So picture something kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a two ft baton. It's got a grip

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<v Speaker 1>handle on one end and on the other end some

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<v Speaker 1>type of component that couples with the back end of

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<v Speaker 1>the dart. And this can be a cup shaped depression

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<v Speaker 1>that the back of the dart sits in, or it

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<v Speaker 1>can be kind of a simple hook that the back

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<v Speaker 1>of the dart catches in, or sometimes it's actually inverted

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<v Speaker 1>where the back of the auto laddle has a spur

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<v Speaker 1>that locks into a groove or depression on the rear

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<v Speaker 1>end of the dart. Does that make sense. Yeah, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>try and have at least one image of this on

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<v Speaker 1>the landing page for this episode at invention pot dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>But also, this is the kind of technology that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of you have probably had the privilege of seeing

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<v Speaker 1>in either in a museum when when it's available, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least a recreation of it, or various YouTube videos

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<v Speaker 1>where people have recreated them. Yeah, you can look up

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of There are tons of attle lott of

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<v Speaker 1>enthusiasts out there today. In addition to the people who

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<v Speaker 1>actually do still actively hunt with it, there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people who just kind of play with them recreationally, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the addle lotto itself, taking into account both modern

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<v Speaker 1>and ancient variations, it can often look just very utilitarian,

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<v Speaker 1>like like clearly a stick that you know it is

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<v Speaker 1>for uh, you know, for for launching a spear, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not not a lot more than that. But you also

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<v Speaker 1>see some rather ornate looking ones that really look like

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<v Speaker 1>a scepter. You can sort of tell that they have

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of a functionality, like they're like, clearly there's

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of purpose for its shape. But uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some some wonderful examples of this for the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>date back say seventeen thousand to thirteen thousand years ago, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>for modern day France, and the example I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>at it, it looks like a deer perched atop a stick.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are these added birds as well. And in

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<v Speaker 1>some of these cases these maybe these may be nonfunctional

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<v Speaker 1>versions of the add a lottle. This is what it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been, say the odd a lottle that you

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<v Speaker 1>would put on the wall the same way that they are. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>swords have a real function and they were made for

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<v Speaker 1>a real functional reason. But there are plenty of just

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<v Speaker 1>decorative swords that exists, you know, the fancy one that

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<v Speaker 1>you hang up over the mantel or the hand ax

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<v Speaker 1>is another example of this. They're like there's some examples

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<v Speaker 1>of the hand ACKs that that may have been hard

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<v Speaker 1>to say in many cases, but may have been purely decorative.

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<v Speaker 1>But that gets into this weird relationship we have with

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<v Speaker 1>our technology, right we When technology plays an important role

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<v Speaker 1>in our lives, it can be fetishized, it can be

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<v Speaker 1>it can be revered, it can be even attributed with

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<v Speaker 1>magical properties. Uh and to the point that it may

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<v Speaker 1>not actually be physically used for the thing that it

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<v Speaker 1>was made to do anymore, such a like every sword

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<v Speaker 1>sold at a rint festival as an example of this.

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<v Speaker 1>There are tons of ways in which tools and objects

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<v Speaker 1>used to do work becomes symbolic. And because they become symbolic,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they're they're hugely evocative things. Think of the

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<v Speaker 1>hammer and sickle symbolizing like work and plenty and you

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<v Speaker 1>know all that, or the sword and shield on medieval

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<v Speaker 1>heraldry or whatever. That's just like showing strength and power,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know so, um so the tools themselves become

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly powerful symbols. Yeah, you're exactly right, But let's say

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just for decoration. You actually want to use it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're out hunting and you're in a warfare scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in a hunting scenario, and so to use the addolazzle,

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<v Speaker 1>what you do is you hold the dart parallel to

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<v Speaker 1>the launching baton to the addolzzle, so they're they're sitting

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<v Speaker 1>basically side by side, flat against each other, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna hold them horizontal with the back end of the

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<v Speaker 1>dart knocked into the cup or the hook or the

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<v Speaker 1>spur whatever it is that connects with the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the dart, with the art pointing forward, so you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be holding it up over your shoulder, pointing forward towards

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<v Speaker 1>your target. And when you've aimed at your target, you

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<v Speaker 1>sort of whipped the odd lattal forward with the handle end,

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<v Speaker 1>which brings its length from its horizontal starting place through

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<v Speaker 1>a vertical arc. And then the back end of the dart,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is pushed as it pivots on the spur

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<v Speaker 1>or the copp or the hook before the dart is

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<v Speaker 1>loose at the top of the arc and then flies

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<v Speaker 1>free toward its target. So you can think of the

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<v Speaker 1>motion a little bit not exactly the same, but a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit sort of like an overhand tennis stroke, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're like bringing the launching device forward to launch the

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<v Speaker 1>projectile with the thing that extends out from your hand. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Or if you think in other way, is if you

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<v Speaker 1>think of it of the of just like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this overhand throw of a spear, it's like you have

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<v Speaker 1>mechanically recreated the arm and the spear. Again, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a mechanical projectile hurling arm brandished by a human arm.

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<v Speaker 1>Or more specifically, though, it is a lever that extends

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<v Speaker 1>the length of the spear thrower's arm for a fight

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<v Speaker 1>or momentum. Right, it makes your arm longer, and it

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<v Speaker 1>gives you another joint in your arm. So instead of

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<v Speaker 1>just shoulder, elbow and wrist to pivot and whip along

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<v Speaker 1>to deliver that that momentum, you essentially get a second forearm.

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<v Speaker 1>And so so why is this better than just throwing

0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.760
<v Speaker 1>a spear with your hand? Well, the primary advantage of

0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:23.320
<v Speaker 1>and we can discuss some other possible advantages as well,

0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:25.760
<v Speaker 1>but the primary advantage of the auto ladle over the

0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:29.720
<v Speaker 1>hand thrown spear is that it flies a good deal faster,

0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:33.359
<v Speaker 1>which increases the range of flight and the force of

0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:36.280
<v Speaker 1>the impact and the depth of penetration when it hits

0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 1>its target. Yeah, so let's let's talk some numbers again.

0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 1>So consider earlier, we're talking about a modern javelin throwing

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:46.200
<v Speaker 1>record of what a hundred and four point eighty meters

0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 1>or three hundred forty three feet in nine and three

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 1>fourth snitches. Now again with all the caveats right, that's

0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:53.919
<v Speaker 1>like a modern javelin and like and you're not aiming

0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:56.239
<v Speaker 1>at an accuracy target. You're just throwing as far as

0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:58.919
<v Speaker 1>you can exactly. Now, springboarding off of that, looking at

0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 1>modern modern auto laddle distance records, Uh, there's one set

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:09.200
<v Speaker 1>by Dave inga ball and he used a very modern

0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:13.199
<v Speaker 1>take on the weapon, a carbon fiber auto ladle and

0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 1>an aluminum dart and he hurled it two hundred and

0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:19.000
<v Speaker 1>fifty eight point sixty four meters or eight hundred forty

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 1>eight point fifty six feet. Another record that our researcher

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:27.439
<v Speaker 1>Scott brought up was using a wooden auto loddele. The

0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.119
<v Speaker 1>record is two hundred thirty point forty eight meters or

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:32.800
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred fifty six ft and this was set by

0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Ilka Continajo from Finland using a like a birch auto

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:42.360
<v Speaker 1>loadele UH and UH a wooden dart. But in either case, though,

0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it's pretty safe to say that we're talking

0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:49.040
<v Speaker 1>about a technology that effectively doubles the throwing range, from

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:51.760
<v Speaker 1>going from a hand thrown spear to an auto laddle

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:55.640
<v Speaker 1>thrown spear. Yeah, and so that automatically tells you something.

0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:57.639
<v Speaker 1>If just you're going for distance and you can go

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 1>more than twice as far as you can hand throwing it, Now,

0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the hunting scenario is going to be somewhat different than

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.640
<v Speaker 1>the javel and throwing scenario where you're just going for distance.

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Because the hunting scenario, accuracy becomes important and also other

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.199
<v Speaker 1>qualities that we might not think about as much, just

0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 1>like power and accuracy. Also, stealth becomes important in most

0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 1>hunting scenarios. However, when you take into account UH, you

0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:26.439
<v Speaker 1>know the hunting scenario. For instance, Brian and Fagan in

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 1>seventy great inventions of the Ancient World, a book that

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:31.119
<v Speaker 1>I have referenced before on the show. He writes that

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the audle ladil improves range by as much as fourfold,

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:39.200
<v Speaker 1>again stressing that you know, accuracy would come with practice. Yeah,

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.320
<v Speaker 1>that's essential in all of this. It's not a like

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:44.679
<v Speaker 1>like any piece of you know, of ancient technology, Like

0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:46.560
<v Speaker 1>a great deal of skill needed to be involved. You

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 1>couldn't go from just you know, being an experienced spear

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 1>thrower to picking up an auto laddel and getting it automatically.

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 1>This would this change the way that you you utilize

0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 1>the weapon. Yeah, Now I want to talk about some

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.159
<v Speaker 1>characteristics of the use of the upen, like weighing some

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:04.960
<v Speaker 1>of these pros and cons about its mechanics. One thing

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I was reading was a report about a two thousand

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 1>three physics paper by Richard A. Ball, which was called

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 1>the Dynamics of Spear Throwing in the American Journal of Physics.

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:17.000
<v Speaker 1>And in this case he used high speed video to

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 1>analyze the characteristics of auto ladle throws and create a

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:25.359
<v Speaker 1>computer model of auto ladal launching scenarios and so. Among

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 1>the things he found was that the lever action of

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>the autolattle allows regular throws to achieve speeds of more

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>than a hundred kilometers per hour. And I wonder about

0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 1>this if this is a conservative or low end estimate,

0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 1>because elsewhere I've seen it claimed pretty regularly but without citation,

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 1>that the auto lad will allows throws more in the

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 1>range of a hundred miles per hour, which is more

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.159
<v Speaker 1>like a hundred and sixty kilometers per hour, which is

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>a good bit faster. But then again, to bring support

0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:56.960
<v Speaker 1>back to the lower end of the speed measurements, there

0:26:57.000 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 1>was a different study. I found one by Whittaker, Pedigrew,

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>and Grossmeire in uh Paleo America in seen and what

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:08.159
<v Speaker 1>they found was, quote, we measured numerous well practiced individuals

0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 1>using a variety of auto LTDAL equipment, comparing radar, gun, film,

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and chronograph measurements of dart velocity. The auto ladle is

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.639
<v Speaker 1>used in hunting and warfare probably did not accelerate darts

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 1>much beyond thirty five ms per second or seventy eight

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>miles per hour. So that that's uh honing back in

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 1>on somewhere close to the you know, hundred kilometers per

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 1>hour a little bit more, um, but that's nothing to

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 1>sniff at. You get hit by a six foot dart

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>at seventy eight miles per hour, and that's that's brutal. Yeah,

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 1>that's still gonna pierce the skin. That's still gonna pierce

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 1>the hide. That's still gonna you know, work towards getting

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 1>you where you want to go and bringing down a

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 1>large animal. Yeah, and uh, to the point, more to

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the point of what you were talking about. With those

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 1>pure distance measurements, Ball found you could achieve distances of

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 1>more than two hundred meters easily. Uh, the distance will

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 1>probably be a lot shorter again if you're going for

0:27:56.600 --> 0:28:00.399
<v Speaker 1>hunting accuracy. Now, here's something interesting that is sort of

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:02.879
<v Speaker 1>an archaeological mystery that's been going on for a while.

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>There are some audle addles that have been found that

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 1>have a weight in the middle of the shaft called

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 1>a banner stone, and archaeologists have debated what the purpose

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 1>of this stone was. Some people thought it was decorative,

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 1>some thought it actually provided a benefit to the throw,

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe that by increasing the weight of the auto addle

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 1>it would allow you to throw harder. But Bob found

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 1>with his model that increasing the weight of the auto

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.080
<v Speaker 1>addle did not have much effect on the speed of

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 1>the dart. What did have an effect on the speed

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 1>of the dart was the auto addles flexibility. If the

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.600
<v Speaker 1>shaft is flexible, it it can increase the speed of

0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 1>the throw by up to fifteen percent. This sort of

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>makes sense to me, almost like adding a bit of

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the bow flex propulsion into the throw. So this is

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 1>probably a good place to mention that archaeology the archaeological

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 1>challenges of understanding the the the auto addle. Uh, you know,

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 1>what remains of the ancient past do we have to

0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>to look at? You know, when we we we end

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 1>up looking at things like stone weapon tips, which which

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 1>generally preserved very well, mysterious stones such as the banner stone.

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, they're they're they're going to uh stand the

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>test of time and when we're but when we're lucky,

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>we find wooden remains that say, give us an idea

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 1>of how long archaic humans have been crafting spears. But

0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 1>it's really easy to lose track of simple tools, and

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 1>especially when they're made out of out of wood that

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 1>just simply doesn't last. And it's a challenge then to

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 1>figure try and figure out how they played into ancient traditions. Uh.

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, all of this is enhanced with the addleaddle

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 1>because it's a it's a complex mechanical tool, and for

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:39.480
<v Speaker 1>much of the world it was abandoned prior to recorded history,

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>So in many of these cases there are no traditions

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 1>of the weapon passed on. Yeah, we talked about this

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.720
<v Speaker 1>in our episode with Dietrich Stout where we were looking

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 1>at stone age technology as specifically a lot of stuff

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>about like stone napping in the by faces and all that,

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 1>where you know, he just pointed out it's not always

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>easy to tell what an ancient tool was used for.

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 1>You can often find a stone that appears to have

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>been modified in some way, but what was it for?

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Then you have to you have to

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 1>start making a lot of inferences. Even worse the case

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 1>when you've got wooden tools that don't necessarily last as

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>long as stone tools do, and so it might be

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>in some degraded form. But just as a side note,

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned the idea that um for much of the world,

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the addleaddle was abandoned prior to recorded history, and that

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 1>is true in many cultures. But while the spear thrower

0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>was often abandoned by cultures after they acquired the bow

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 1>and arrow, it wasn't always there were some cultures. For instance,

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 1>I've read about the examples of some cultures in Mesoamerica

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and in the Arctic who held onto the spear thrower

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 1>and even preferred it for some specialized uses after the

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 1>bow was introduced. So it might be interesting to look

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>at what some of those reasons for holding onto the

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 1>autoladdle as a weapons propulsion technology after the introduction of

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 1>the bow might be. So I was inspired by this question,

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 1>and I was looking around, particularly as it regards the

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Aztec people and basically meso American people's were using the

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 1>auto loadel. But then the bow was introduced by various

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 1>northern tribes that invaded Mexico from the north, and the

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 1>twelfth and thirteenth century ce UH several different tribal groups

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 1>that were referred to um by some of the meso

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 1>American peoples as being barbarians, which I guess is you know,

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>often the case, right, those that invade you from outside

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>are considered the barbarians, even in this case when they're

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 1>bringing with them a more advanced ranged weapon, right because

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>of the tensions stored in the bow, but not necessarily

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>better for every single case, that's right. So I was

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>looking at a blog the Aztec Vault by William Anderson,

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 1>which is which is really good? I recommend it U

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 1>And he was and he was referring to the work

0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 1>of anthropologist Ross Hassig and pointed out that that even

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 1>that even you know, in the in the wake of

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 1>the bow, uh, the the Aztec people then, uh, you know,

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>are are rising up in power and they have they

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 1>have taken the bow into their their military usage. But uh,

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 1>as tech nobility still considered the bow a barbaric weapon

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:20.959
<v Speaker 1>and unbecoming of their use. But because it was believed

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 1>to be introduced by people's who were perceived as enemies. Yeah,

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and then also just you know, the auto ladle was was,

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, a revered weapon of the Aztec people,

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>And so the nobility didn't want anything to do with

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 1>the bow. The commoners they would be the ones to

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 1>utilize the bow and arrow in their military campaigns. Uh.

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>And you know, so they were they were all about

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 1>embracing the use of the bow and arrow, but personally

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 1>they were never going to use them. They were going

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:48.520
<v Speaker 1>to use the auto laddle. So yeah, the the elite

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 1>class would do the auto ladle and commoners would use

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 1>the large bows as well as slings in combat. Anderson

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:58.840
<v Speaker 1>writes quote Hassig argues that the addo ladle was likely

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>used during the initial charge at the very beginning of

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>an engagement. It had less range than the bow, but

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 1>had far more power behind the projectile and was therefore

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 1>more likely to penetrate armor or a shield. During the charge,

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 1>warriors likely through a salvo of four or five darts

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:18.719
<v Speaker 1>that they carried loosely in their hand before they dropped

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 1>the autoladdle and switched to a melee weapon. And by

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the way, I believe the melee weapon in question would

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>have been the obsidian edged Maquahitle wooden sword club. Hopefully

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 1>everyone's seen an image of one of these. But it

0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 1>is a just a terrific looking um kind of a

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>hybrid of sword and club. You know, it's it's it's wooden.

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>It kind of looks like some sort of like an

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>ancient chainsaw. It's a brewer looking weapon. Uh uh so, yeah,

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm just imagining the you know, the elite soldier class

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>of the Aztecs rushing into battle using the autoladdle to

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 1>hurl these these high powered spears into the front ranks

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>and then dropping the auto addle all together and whipping

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 1>out this sword. Uh. It's a pretty pretty terrifying scenario.

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>But to be clear, that is the scholar Hassig's interpretation.

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 1>He thinks probably happen. There's a lot and has has

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 1>has written extensively on Aztec military and you know what

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 1>their tactics seem to have been. But with all things

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>regarding um, you know, pre contact meso America. Uh, you know,

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:24.759
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot we don't know, and there's a lot

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 1>that we have to infer. But it seems like the

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.680
<v Speaker 1>continued use of the auto ladle among the Aztec people

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 1>is a combination of sticking with the weapon out of

0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 1>cultural tradition, uh, and and with we should say, seemingly

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.799
<v Speaker 1>fewer centuries to abandon it outright, you know, like the

0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:44.279
<v Speaker 1>culture still had some charge left in it, right, but

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 1>also figuring out you know, it was a matter of

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 1>figuring out how to best utilize it in the evolving

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 1>face of battle alongside newer weapons, like defining what auto

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:58.839
<v Speaker 1>ladle can do that slings and bows and arrows cannot achieve. Yeah, Uh,

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.839
<v Speaker 1>now I have seen it. I did other other reasons

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:05.840
<v Speaker 1>beyond just like cultural attachment that people might have for

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 1>preserving the use of the ottolattle even after the introduction

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 1>of the bow. Like I was reading some reasons that

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 1>have been cited by the World Auto Lttle Association, who

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 1>point out, for example, you can use the odd laddle

0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:20.720
<v Speaker 1>with one hand like that. Yeah, and if you're charging again,

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.239
<v Speaker 1>charging across the battlefield like that, that makes sense, right,

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 1>you have the you have your your darts in one hand,

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 1>the auto ltto on the other and uh, and that's

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 1>all you need, right, So you got that. Another thing

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 1>is that it could propel very heavy projectiles delivering more momentum. Uh.

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're comparing like this dart that's more like

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>a spear on the odd laddle versus the typically smaller

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 1>arrows you would shoot with the bow. And of course

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:46.359
<v Speaker 1>if you get with a hit with a heavier projectile,

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 1>it's going to hurt you more. And in the case

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 1>of the Aztecs, it's worth pointing out that like their

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 1>adversaries would have had armor, they were not unarmored people.

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 1>It was like fiber based, but it was still protection

0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 1>against these various weapons that were employed. Yeah, that's a

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:04.439
<v Speaker 1>good point. Uh. And then another interesting reason they said

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:08.080
<v Speaker 1>is that it is easier, apparently on an auto loaddle

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 1>to attach a line to the dart for like reeling

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.760
<v Speaker 1>back of harpoons. So if you're out trying to harpoon

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:19.239
<v Speaker 1>seals or something like that, it might be easier to

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 1>use an auto loaddle than a bow, in which case

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.400
<v Speaker 1>the line could maybe get in the way of shooting.

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm assuming that's the reason. And it also might

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:28.799
<v Speaker 1>have something to do with the like the weight of

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 1>the line, right, yeah. Yeah. And so one one more

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.839
<v Speaker 1>thing that I think is interesting is the question of

0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:37.879
<v Speaker 1>how accurate you can be with an autoladdle, Because on

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 1>one hand, it seems intuitive to me that not a

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 1>lottle would be hard to use, like it would be

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 1>hard to get it to aim right, It seems kind

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>of unwieldy. But when you watch practice throwers with it,

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 1>they look deadly accurate. Um. In fact, I was just

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 1>reading about I was just reading an anecdotal report of

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.440
<v Speaker 1>this one guy who was you know, this is not

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>somebody who's been using an autoladal his whole life. This

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 1>is just a guy who who picked it up and

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 1>started hunting with it in uh In, Florida. This was

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 1>reported in by the Mississippi Clarion Ledger after he had

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.400
<v Speaker 1>killed an alligator with an autolto. Apparently this is like

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>a really interesting story, but one part that stuck out

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 1>to me was that the the guy who did it,

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 1>his name was Ryan gil He said he was shocked

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>how accurate the weapon was once he tried it, reporting

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.320
<v Speaker 1>that he found he could pretty easily hit soda cans

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 1>at ten yards or about nine point one meters soda cans.

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's I don't know if I could hit

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 1>those with a bow and arrow. I don't I don't

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 1>know if I coul hit one with a rock depends

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 1>um and and a lot of the evidence I found

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:46.720
<v Speaker 1>for this idea that you could actually be very accurate

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 1>with the auto ladle, Like this story was just sort

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 1>of anecdotal reports, but there is apparently some empirical research

0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:57.439
<v Speaker 1>on accuracy on the accuracy of autoladile compared to say

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the bow. Uh. This one some arized by Whittaker at

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:05.040
<v Speaker 1>all from the paper I mentioned earlier. Quote accuracy is

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 1>more easily achieved with a bow, although a skilled adoladolist

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 1>can compete with an archer at short ranges. So it

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:14.680
<v Speaker 1>seems like in general, a bow is more accurate, but

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 1>if you practice enough, you can get about as accurate

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:21.319
<v Speaker 1>with an autolattle at short range. There just appears to

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.879
<v Speaker 1>be maybe a stronger learning curve with the autolatdle. So

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.920
<v Speaker 1>to go back to the Aztec scenario, like again, this

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 1>seems like the perfect usage for it because those those

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:34.320
<v Speaker 1>elite soldiers rushing in, they have to close that distance

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>anyway they have to. They're having to traverse that area

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 1>where the addolttle could be used. And again it's a

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:44.799
<v Speaker 1>one handed weapon, so that's like the perfect domain for

0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 1>its use. But also pointing out that you know this

0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 1>could also have you know, also there's perhaps a shock

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 1>element to it as well, you know it's coming. Maybe

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:53.720
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a terror weapon. This is the weapon

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:55.840
<v Speaker 1>of the ADS tech elite. Yeah, I can just picture

0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 1>it in my mind. I mean, there is something fearsome

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 1>about the way that they're flying off these batons. When

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:03.240
<v Speaker 1>you when you hurl it, and you know, the rotation

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 1>of the body is you do, it's a it is

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 1>a a menacing movement, let's say. And I you know,

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I didn't look and I didn't read any research on this,

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 1>but it also comes to mind that if you want

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 1>to close the distance with a ranged weapon. Um. I

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:22.000
<v Speaker 1>mean the more traditional version of this you see in

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 1>other cultures is, of course you have a mounted archer.

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:28.360
<v Speaker 1>But there's no they wouldn't have had horses in in

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Menico America pre contact, so that you know, the the

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Aztecs were not using horses in battle. They were they

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>were all on foot. And so again another reason perhaps

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 1>the auto loaddle was again like this was the perfect

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 1>place for its use, the perfect time and place for

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.680
<v Speaker 1>its continued usage in the military scenario. That's a good point. Now,

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 1>there are other comparisons between the bow and the auto

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 1>loaddle that I was also reading about in Whittaker at

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:55.359
<v Speaker 1>all from so uh the authors here mentioned that first

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 1>of all, an arrow does travel faster than at a ladle,

0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:01.400
<v Speaker 1>so it reaches its target in less time, and it

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 1>gives the target less time to react and dodge out

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 1>of the path of the dart or arrow. So that's

0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 1>a pretty clear bow advantage. You close the distance faster

0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:13.759
<v Speaker 1>and there's less time to react. Um. Also, you can

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:16.800
<v Speaker 1>fire a bow from all kinds of positions, sitting, crouch,

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:21.239
<v Speaker 1>standing on top of a horse. While it's more difficult

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 1>to do that with an auto lattle. I have seen images,

0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:26.879
<v Speaker 1>for example, of um of one of the you Pick

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Seal hunters who's gotten auto ladle out in a in

0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 1>a boat and he seems to be in a sitting position.

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he would sort of stand up

0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:36.840
<v Speaker 1>or get up on his knees to hurl it, but

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 1>he's holding it as if he's ready to throw, and

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 1>he's sitting in the boat. But it is generally true

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>that to get the best kind of leverage on the

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:46.960
<v Speaker 1>auto ladle throw, you probably want to be standing. Another

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 1>point in comparison is that shooting a bow requires less

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.719
<v Speaker 1>movement of the body as a whole, which means it's

0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.439
<v Speaker 1>less likely to alert prey. You're moving less, you're making

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:57.880
<v Speaker 1>less sound. Yeah, you're gonna be a lot more stealthy

0:40:57.880 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 1>and against health is going to be is going to

0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 1>be a key factor in any of these hunting scenarios

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:05.399
<v Speaker 1>for sure. Though then again, I will say to come

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 1>back on the other side. When you watch some of

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 1>these skilled autolatalists using the weapon, one thing that's very

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 1>striking about it is how quiet it is. There's just

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of this wolf of the of the you know,

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>if you hear the stick at all, and the dart

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 1>just sails silently until it pounds into its target, and

0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:28.280
<v Speaker 1>then that's the first real noise you hear. But anyway,

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 1>so the authors mentioned quote, these factors could be important

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 1>for individual hunting of alert prey and in warfare. However,

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:39.880
<v Speaker 1>variations in hunting tactics such as hunting in groups and

0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:44.120
<v Speaker 1>driving prey into approachable positions, as well as tactics in warfare,

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.480
<v Speaker 1>could have kept autoladdles effective and useful even after the

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.839
<v Speaker 1>introduction of the bow. So I think on the other

0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 1>end of the spectrum. While bows are faster and more stealthy,

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:56.840
<v Speaker 1>autoladdles can launch heavier darts, and they can be powerful

0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 1>in situations where say, a prey animal is not aware

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:03.360
<v Speaker 1>or a few or is cornered or surrounded or something.

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:05.359
<v Speaker 1>All right, we're gonna take one more break, and when

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:07.920
<v Speaker 1>we come back, we're going to discuss the legacy of

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the audle laddle. Alright, we're back. So how important was

0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:20.800
<v Speaker 1>the auto laddel in human history? Well, you know, I

0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:23.359
<v Speaker 1>feel like we've we've we've driven home already that we're

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:25.840
<v Speaker 1>talking about a means of hunting. So it's a means

0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:30.840
<v Speaker 1>of survival, a means of acquiring necessary sustenance for for

0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 1>one's self and one's people. Um. But in that that book,

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.520
<v Speaker 1>the seventy Great Inventions of the Ancient World are brought

0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:41.160
<v Speaker 1>by Brian and Fagan. He points out that you know,

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 1>our oldest examples, you know, known examples of the autol

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 1>will take us back to the Ice Age when humans

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 1>would have used them on wild horses and reindeer. And

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 1>so the technology, if it improves your odds of landing

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:58.760
<v Speaker 1>such prey, this is meat that could prove vital, especially

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:02.240
<v Speaker 1>if if cured in autumn for the long winter months ahead.

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 1>So you know, you could I think you could make

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:08.120
<v Speaker 1>a case for, like, Yeah, any technological advancement in acquiring

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:10.880
<v Speaker 1>protein during this time, you know, could have played you know,

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:13.880
<v Speaker 1>an important or even essential role in ensuring the survival

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>of the species. Yeah. I do think, uh, hunting of

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:22.359
<v Speaker 1>megafauna was an important part of Pleistocene survival. They've got

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:24.399
<v Speaker 1>a lot of meat on them, but they're also very

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 1>often they're dangerous to get close to, and they're hard

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.400
<v Speaker 1>to kill. And there they might be tough, and they

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:32.399
<v Speaker 1>might be you know, good at getting away from you. Yeah,

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 1>so the auto ladle was important. We already we already

0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the uh, you know, the various decorations that we

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:41.600
<v Speaker 1>see on some of these remaining auto ladle and whether

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.640
<v Speaker 1>these were autolattle that were you actually used or they're

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 1>purely decorative. Either way, they show that it was a

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:52.359
<v Speaker 1>revered item, that it held an important role in their

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 1>culture at the time. That clearly does seem to be

0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 1>the case with some of these highly decorated ones. On

0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 1>the other hand, an interesting thing I've seen when when

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.920
<v Speaker 1>you watch some of these, like uh say wild hunting

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:06.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of lists. Uh. One thing I've seen, at

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:08.239
<v Speaker 1>least pointed out by a couple of them, is that

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 1>it's not that hard to make one of these in

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the field. I mean you can. You can not even

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 1>have to take your weapon with you. You go out

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:17.319
<v Speaker 1>into the field and you find the right trees, and

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:19.400
<v Speaker 1>you can make yourself a not a lottle on some

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:23.800
<v Speaker 1>darts pretty quickly. This would have made far more sense

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 1>in the movie Predator. Remember where Arnold Schwarzenegger's character what

0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:31.600
<v Speaker 1>was his name, where he has the scene where he

0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 1>makes a giant makes it makes a high power bow

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 1>and arrow out of just stuff he finds in the jungle,

0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:39.319
<v Speaker 1>which I don't I don't know. I'm sure somebody has

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:42.360
<v Speaker 1>sort of mythbusted this to some extent, but it always

0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:46.520
<v Speaker 1>seemed unlikely, and and and and then in later so

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 1>you know films, you know, lower budget films that were

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:53.120
<v Speaker 1>inspired by this, you often see characters creating even crappier

0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 1>looking bows and arrows out of out of the stuff

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:57.920
<v Speaker 1>they find in the woods. Whereas, yeah, if he if

0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Dutch had made a not a lottle and he's that

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:03.800
<v Speaker 1>to battle the predator, Uh, then that would have been awesome.

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Why I wish that had happened. I fully agree we

0:45:06.400 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 1>should petition them to go back and make the movie

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:13.759
<v Speaker 1>again fix this problem. Yes, um, but you know, by

0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:15.840
<v Speaker 1>the way it was talking about like the bow and

0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 1>arrow coming in and to what extent it replaced the

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 1>audle laddle Um not not everyone jumped on the bow

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 1>and arrow bandwagon. Uh. Fagan also points out that Australian

0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Aborigines never took up the bow and arrow. Uh. They

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 1>stuck with other arranged weapon techniques, despite in some cases

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 1>definitely being in touch with other people's that used bows

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:43.240
<v Speaker 1>and arrows, such as the Tories Straight Islanders. Um, speaking

0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 1>of Australia, another ranged weapon. I'm gonna throw this in

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:47.919
<v Speaker 1>because I don't know that we could get a full

0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:50.600
<v Speaker 1>episode out of it. Maybe we could. But the boomerang,

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:53.799
<v Speaker 1>the boomerang is another range weapon of note, in one

0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:57.880
<v Speaker 1>with a very incomplete history. But we know it dates

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:00.960
<v Speaker 1>back at least ten thousand years. That's the oldest evidence

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:03.919
<v Speaker 1>we found. But as a wooden weapon, you know, very

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:07.799
<v Speaker 1>few archaeological examples present themselves. And uh and by the way,

0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:12.799
<v Speaker 1>but we primarily associate this blunt ranged weapon with Australia,

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.319
<v Speaker 1>but other parts of the world have produced artifacts that

0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:20.840
<v Speaker 1>are at least arguably possibly boomerangs. Uh so, yeah, boomerang

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:24.759
<v Speaker 1>technology another ranged weapon that we sometimes forget about. Now.

0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:27.120
<v Speaker 1>In addition to the cultures that have continued use of

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the oddle attle into the present day for hunting, such

0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:31.880
<v Speaker 1>as the example of some of the you pick people,

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 1>as we mentioned, and I think I've read about some people, uh,

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:39.080
<v Speaker 1>some indigenous Australian people's doing this. Uh. There there are

0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:41.359
<v Speaker 1>also just tons of people who have taken up use

0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:44.880
<v Speaker 1>of the audle lottle recreationally. It's something that has I

0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:47.000
<v Speaker 1>think gotten I don't know that it seems to have

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.440
<v Speaker 1>been a surge in interest in in this in the

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.920
<v Speaker 1>past few decades. Oh yeah, again, there are lots of

0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:55.719
<v Speaker 1>YouTube videos, and I definitely recommend anyone who's interested in

0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:57.439
<v Speaker 1>seeing one of these actions to check out a few.

0:46:57.480 --> 0:46:59.319
<v Speaker 1>Make sure you check out a few, does you know,

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of find the ones um. But there's also, for instance,

0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the World Autolto Association. Uh you can find them at

0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:10.080
<v Speaker 1>World out a laddle dot org aut Alado. By the way,

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:12.400
<v Speaker 1>if you're not aware from the title of the episode,

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 1>if you haven't seen it in print, uh, it is

0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:16.880
<v Speaker 1>a t L A t L. I think I might

0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 1>have said that earlier, but if I didn't, just just

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 1>in case, we're gonna drive that home. So that's World

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 1>a t l a t l dot org. And they

0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:27.760
<v Speaker 1>highly they track events and projects across the United States

0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:30.359
<v Speaker 1>and parts of Europe. Uh. So we're talking about just

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:33.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, casual throws, you know, a chance to to

0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:36.400
<v Speaker 1>try out on auto ladle uh you know, school children,

0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 1>scout groups, etcetera. Serious competitions among a lot of enthusiasts,

0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:42.920
<v Speaker 1>as well as classes about how to make and not

0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:46.080
<v Speaker 1>a loto or use it. UM as far as I

0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:49.719
<v Speaker 1>can tell. However, there's no Atlanta based organization, which is

0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:52.560
<v Speaker 1>a shame because that would be what the Atlanta Autolatdal

0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Association a t l A t l A t l Uh.

0:47:57.560 --> 0:47:59.720
<v Speaker 1>But hey, maybe it's out there and I just didn't

0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:02.239
<v Speaker 1>find it. Or maybe maybe you listening out there in

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:05.400
<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta area you will, you'll you'll start it and

0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 1>uh invite Joe and I to go check it out.

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to find the outcast. Joke in here is

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:12.719
<v Speaker 1>like the people who remember of that organization or the

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Audle Audle a t Aliens. That could work, That could work. Now,

0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:21.439
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned Dietrich Stout earlier, who we interviewed on Stuff

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:25.400
<v Speaker 1>to Blow Your Mind the other podcast about about about

0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:30.080
<v Speaker 1>stone age technology, uh and particularly the hand acts. But

0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:32.640
<v Speaker 1>one of the areas we got into discussing him was like,

0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:37.480
<v Speaker 1>what is the connection between um, these tools that we're

0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 1>using and the way we're manipulating them and building them

0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:44.200
<v Speaker 1>and uh in the human mind? Oh yeah, Now, he

0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 1>was talking about some ideas about possible connections between I think, uh,

0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:51.840
<v Speaker 1>the language modules in the brain and the ways that

0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:56.239
<v Speaker 1>we construct stone tools. They're also just interesting things to

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:59.080
<v Speaker 1>think about. I was looking at a paper um from

0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Frontiers and Sidecology in eighteen that's just charting a connection

0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:07.600
<v Speaker 1>between the development of different types of weapons technology across

0:49:07.760 --> 0:49:09.880
<v Speaker 1>the human history. You know, a lot of it is

0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 1>like a stone Age human history and the development of

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:18.400
<v Speaker 1>different levels of causal cognition in humans, meaning like you know,

0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:22.920
<v Speaker 1>showing that we understand causes and effects beyond our immediate

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:26.799
<v Speaker 1>moment and physical body projected across space and time into

0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:29.799
<v Speaker 1>the future. And it's interesting to think about, like the

0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:34.120
<v Speaker 1>different weapons technologies coming along over time, always just extending

0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:36.920
<v Speaker 1>farther and farther out in time and space from the body.

0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:39.960
<v Speaker 1>So you've got first, like you know, thrusting spears that

0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 1>extend the reach of the body, and then throwing spears

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:45.399
<v Speaker 1>that extend it further, and then the addle addel which

0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:47.840
<v Speaker 1>extends it even further, but also adds in these abstract

0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:51.480
<v Speaker 1>elements of sort of inanimate causal understanding, like you understand

0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:54.720
<v Speaker 1>that the lever in your hand will increase the power

0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:57.320
<v Speaker 1>of the throw even though the spear is no longer

0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 1>in your hand when that happens. And then of course

0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:03.040
<v Speaker 1>you've got ideas about like stored energy and the tension

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:05.880
<v Speaker 1>of a bow and then even beyond that, ideas that

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:10.200
<v Speaker 1>go beyond beyond the present moment, by say, using poisoned

0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:13.640
<v Speaker 1>arrow tips, you know, that's extending the causality of the

0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:16.759
<v Speaker 1>weapon further into time. And basically the authors here just

0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:19.480
<v Speaker 1>point out that, you know, this further and further and

0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:23.640
<v Speaker 1>further extension away in time and space from the physical body, uh,

0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:27.719
<v Speaker 1>mirrors the timeline of development of all these technologies. And

0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:29.719
<v Speaker 1>so I thought that was kind of interesting, interesting, And

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:31.759
<v Speaker 1>then of course we also have to think about the

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:34.200
<v Speaker 1>name of it makes me think too about how our

0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:37.520
<v Speaker 1>our tools end up being metaphors for our understanding of

0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the world. So like the the the arrow itself, I mean,

0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:45.279
<v Speaker 1>we think about like the arrow of time, um, you know,

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:48.360
<v Speaker 1>to to what extent of these various technologies end up

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:51.239
<v Speaker 1>allowing us, giving us the sort of the the metaphorical

0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 1>fodder to then have these more complex thoughts about how

0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:56.160
<v Speaker 1>the world works. This is something that comes up a

0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:59.760
<v Speaker 1>lot on this show about like the most fundamental technologies

0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 1>end up becoming so much more than technology. They become

0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:08.080
<v Speaker 1>the shapes with which we envision abstract elements of our lives,

0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:11.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, like the the wheel becoming so much more

0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:14.640
<v Speaker 1>than just a transportation technology that it's like one of

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:18.520
<v Speaker 1>our most fruitful metaphors in all of language. And arrows

0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:21.240
<v Speaker 1>are another thing like that, arrows and spears. Think about

0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:24.800
<v Speaker 1>how much there's this, uh, the the idea of missing

0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:27.719
<v Speaker 1>the mark or being on target, you know, like with

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 1>an arrow or spear. You're you're talking about trying to

0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:33.520
<v Speaker 1>hit your target at arranged distance. I think about how

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:36.880
<v Speaker 1>in the theological domain, I believe the word in Greek

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:40.600
<v Speaker 1>that's like used for sin in Christianity. The Greek word

0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:43.839
<v Speaker 1>is hamartia, which literally means to miss the mark, as

0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:46.320
<v Speaker 1>if like you know, like your spear does not connect

0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 1>with its target. I know that this reminds me of

0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:52.279
<v Speaker 1>the episode we did about Cupid's arrow for stuff to

0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:55.320
<v Speaker 1>blow your mind, and uh, you know, you think about

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:57.440
<v Speaker 1>what it is to be hit with an arrow, or

0:51:57.640 --> 0:51:59.279
<v Speaker 1>to see one hit with an arrow. It is for

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:02.680
<v Speaker 1>this physical attack to come perhaps even out of nowhere,

0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:05.160
<v Speaker 1>like you don't see where it launched from. It's just

0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:08.480
<v Speaker 1>like the arrow appears lodged in the individual. The wound

0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:12.640
<v Speaker 1>just happens, which is you know, probably you know, it

0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:14.920
<v Speaker 1>seems seems close to the metaphor that's being made for

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:17.759
<v Speaker 1>being struck by love? Is that? Like, I don't know

0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:20.080
<v Speaker 1>where it came from, but now it's here, and I'm

0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:25.080
<v Speaker 1>bleeding the new tagline of this podcast. Now it's here,

0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:27.759
<v Speaker 1>and I'm bleeding every time there's a new episode. Well,

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:32.560
<v Speaker 1>the thing too about just how attractive the idea of

0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:35.080
<v Speaker 1>of certainly the bow and arrow, but then perhaps to

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:37.120
<v Speaker 1>some extent, the spear, but mostly the bow and arrow.

0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:40.239
<v Speaker 1>How we keep coming back to that in our not

0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:43.719
<v Speaker 1>only our stories and our myths, but our popular media. Like,

0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:46.160
<v Speaker 1>think of all the things that are popular right now,

0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:48.359
<v Speaker 1>almost all of them have a bow and arrow in them.

0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 1>A Game of Thrones full of bows and arrows, and

0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:55.680
<v Speaker 1>even spear throws, ridiculous spear throws. They have no basis

0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:59.600
<v Speaker 1>on physics. Um, but then you look at say the

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Marvel movies, you have an archer in in there as well.

0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:06.839
<v Speaker 1>I forgot about that. What Hawkeye? The DC World they

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.560
<v Speaker 1>have a green arrow and that's been going on for

0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:13.960
<v Speaker 1>multiple seasons. Wait is it not green lantern? No, No,

0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:16.200
<v Speaker 1>there's green arrow. Oh there's both of them. Yeah, they

0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:19.200
<v Speaker 1>got two green people, they do, and green arrow has

0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:22.120
<v Speaker 1>is actually archery based, and they're like supporting characters that

0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:25.000
<v Speaker 1>also have bow and arrows. So and even just like

0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:27.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, you, like you bring a child to a

0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Renaissance festival, they do the thing where they're shooting the

0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:32.040
<v Speaker 1>bow and arrows like, and the child wants to try

0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:34.080
<v Speaker 1>it out like they they say, see it and they

0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:36.880
<v Speaker 1>want to do it like we have a connection. As

0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:38.920
<v Speaker 1>if there isn't some sort of an innate connection that

0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:42.319
<v Speaker 1>we have with these technologies. Man if Marvel thinks it's

0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:45.160
<v Speaker 1>a superpower to be able to shoot a bow and arrow, good,

0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:47.399
<v Speaker 1>imagine what they would have thought of, like an army

0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:52.759
<v Speaker 1>of archers. These are all superheroes. I wonder if there

0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:55.240
<v Speaker 1>are any superheroes that use aut of lodels or indeed,

0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:58.279
<v Speaker 1>is there a scene in a film, uh that that

0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:02.880
<v Speaker 1>actually depicts a little loaddle you? Perhaps I'm forgetting one. Um.

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:04.360
<v Speaker 1>I know there have been, you know there there have

0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:07.680
<v Speaker 1>been some notable films that deal with you know, pre

0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:11.640
<v Speaker 1>contact meso America or or you know, we're more more

0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:14.920
<v Speaker 1>ancient people's But I am not recalling a good autolatal

0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:17.400
<v Speaker 1>scene offhand. Yeah, I mean, I don't say this to

0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:20.840
<v Speaker 1>glorify violence, but as far as a like a mechanical invention,

0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.640
<v Speaker 1>it is a beautiful weapon. So if you if you

0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 1>know of any examples of this, please right in and

0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:28.040
<v Speaker 1>let us know. I would love to know what movie

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:30.800
<v Speaker 1>I need to check out to see hopefully an accurate

0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:33.640
<v Speaker 1>depiction of how an auto ladle is used, or hey,

0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:36.560
<v Speaker 1>have you used an autolattle, whether you know, whether it's

0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:39.000
<v Speaker 1>like a part of your cultural heritage, or whether you

0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:41.719
<v Speaker 1>just experimented with one. We'd like to hear about that. Oh,

0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:43.799
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know some listeners out there have used

0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 1>an auto lottle. In fact, I'm gonna go ahead and

0:54:45.560 --> 0:54:49.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna guess that we hear from.

0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say five people who have used on autoladle.

0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:56.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna may be off on that, but I'm

0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:59.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna just guess five people, and well we'll find out

0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:01.840
<v Speaker 1>in a future listening episode if I'm accurate on that.

0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Here's something I'm curious about from people who have used

0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:07.719
<v Speaker 1>in ludel attle. What was the experience of accuracy like,

0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:11.120
<v Speaker 1>especially when compared to your intuitions before using it for

0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:13.880
<v Speaker 1>the first time. Was it easier than you would have

0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:16.879
<v Speaker 1>expected to hit your target to hit your target with it,

0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:19.440
<v Speaker 1>or was it harder than you would have expected, right,

0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:22.160
<v Speaker 1>and then can you compare it to other arranged weapon

0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:25.280
<v Speaker 1>uses like, for instance, have had you used a bow before,

0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:26.799
<v Speaker 1>and how would you compare it to the experience of

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:30.040
<v Speaker 1>using a bow or the experience of throwing a spear, um,

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:32.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, outright without any kind of mechanical aid. So

0:55:33.000 --> 0:55:35.200
<v Speaker 1>there you have it, the audle addle. Uh. Yeah, that's

0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:37.600
<v Speaker 1>a really fun one to look into, in part because

0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:40.279
<v Speaker 1>I feel like the audle addle is often kind of

0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:44.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, glossed over in our in our histories and

0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:47.160
<v Speaker 1>and you know, even in our museum sometimes. And in

0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:48.960
<v Speaker 1>part of that too is you know that we have

0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:51.520
<v Speaker 1>not historically had that great of an understanding of what

0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:55.640
<v Speaker 1>these were and how they were utilized. Um. But hey, yeah,

0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:58.000
<v Speaker 1>it's always fun to discuss what we can't help but

0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:02.640
<v Speaker 1>discuss military technologies along the way, uh, and or hunting technologies,

0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:05.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, weapons. So I it does make me wonder

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:08.959
<v Speaker 1>what other weapons would you like to hear us cover

0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:12.279
<v Speaker 1>on invention? Or how about armor? Would you like to

0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:14.719
<v Speaker 1>hear us do an entire episode on body armor and

0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:17.600
<v Speaker 1>how that has uh, where that originates, and how that

0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:21.520
<v Speaker 1>has been implemented in different cultures? Around the world and

0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:24.759
<v Speaker 1>and how it changes humanity. Robert and I were talking

0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:27.239
<v Speaker 1>about armor before we came in today. I think that's

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:29.880
<v Speaker 1>a good candidate coming up. All right, Well, if you

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