WEBVTT - Codpiece Ripper 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:07.360 If our fire island ferry Titanics tomorrow instead of that, 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.920 you know that the four the four piece orchestra that 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:12.840 was there, what what would be? There will be some 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:16.720 giy guy playing Charlie xax on his phone. Yeah, not 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.720 even with the speaker, and they'll be like, can you 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:28.680 scream a little quieter? We can't hear the song. Have 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.320 you ever wanted to talk like a man and spirit 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:38.600 like a man? I? Um, I assume you're referencing Titanic. 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.080 I didn't rewatch for this episode. I'm not gonna lie. 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:42.640 I'm not gonna lie to the virgin. You mean you 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.120 don't do a bi annual Titanic viewing like I do? 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.040 So do you mean bi annual in the twice year 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.160 since or in the every other year since? Because okay, 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.520 here the English language is insane and bi annual does 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.120 mean both? Isn't that so stupid? Well it means that 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:03.240 I'm by and I watch it in you elite. Oh 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.360 that's a really good um. Anyways, and virgins, in case 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.360 you haven't figured it out, um, and we did warn 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.720 you ahead of time. Today we are watching Titanic and 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.000 discussing all of the things that there are to discuss 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.520 about um what bros Will say is the greatest film 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:28.199 ever created. Yes, today we are revisiting James Cameron's flawed 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:32.520 but beautiful masterpiece Titanic. Uh, and we really have to 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:34.880 call it James Cameron's Titanic. I feel like we should 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:36.960 be erasing him at this point. I feel like it 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.920 should be erased. His dirty little fingerprints are all over 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.319 it and it would not be what it is without him. 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.040 And we are going to look back at Titanic and 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.840 talk about how it shaped us, how maybe some of 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.200 us crashed into it like an iceberg and it totally 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.560 changed the course of our lives. Because this is like 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.960 a virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:01.360 today's takes. I'm Rose damn you, and I'm fran Toronto. 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:14.840 Yeah he there's nothing effy epsing myself for this. I 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.960 have something really dark to admit, which is that I 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.720 did not leave my apartment this weekend. Not once did 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:26.280 you step out to get like a coffee or like 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:32.000 I stepped out to take trash to the dumpster. Otherwise 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:36.760 I did not leave my I didn't leave my apartment building. 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:41.160 I love that. Honestly, it's all about restoration here and 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.920 uh did you did you restore? What did you do? Well? What? 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.800 I The main reason is that I read um three 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:56.440 books this weekend. Oh so brag So I I just 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:02.240 got a kindle because I want one and Amazon day, 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:06.679 Oh no, no, no, no, no, backup, back up, phoebe 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:11.240 take that out. We are not on this podcast anyway, 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:17.000 shouting out Amazon Day. I got it. I got an 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:25.360 unnamed electronic reader, um, and I read six books last week. Whoa, 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.520 I'm so jealous of your reading ability. You're reading. The 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:34.080 caveat is unmatched. The caveat is. They were all historical 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:40.120 gay romances, so you know they're they're quick reads. What 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:44.120 are were they lesbian romances? Where they was gonna they 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.960 were mm oh not mm so they can't even be 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:53.240 deemed bodice rippers. They're um like Cody rippers. Did we 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:58.320 just did we just invent that? Honestly, we're genius. Um. Well, 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.200 so I started reading one of them while we were 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:05.320 on vacation. You you have seen what is it called 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:10.240 The Soldier and Soldier Scoundrels, The Soldiers scoundrel So I 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.320 finished that and read the other two books in that series, 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:18.240 and then I read a series by this author whose 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.280 books I've read before. Their name is K. J. Charles, 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.640 and I read this series. Um, that's sort of like 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.080 it's called The Charm of Magpies and it's like historical 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.919 gay fantasy. I kind of needed it because I have 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.000 been writing a lot and reading a lot has been 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.680 really helpful to that process. And also I just like 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.560 wanted to read some gay, historical gay erotica. Love that 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.120 for you. I do think we should start like a 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:48.680 Virgin book club. I definitely I'm on a little reading 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.320 stint after a whole I mean, in June, I feel 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.080 like I didn't read at all. But on Fire Island 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.360 I did start to read the Death of a vic 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.920 O g by Equake, a messy who's like an amaze 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.719 author that I've admired for a while. And I also 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.839 picked up, much to your delight, I finally picked up 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:10.640 a rather borrowed my friend Amy's copy of Searcy by 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.720 Madeline Miller. Oh, I didn't know that. That's amazing. Yeah, 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.960 I forgot to tell you about it. But like Madeline 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.960 Miller wrote a Song of Achilles, which is one of 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.560 my favorite books of all time, and I very famously 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:27.320 did interview her for my senior thesis paper for undergrad 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:33.440 I think Searcy is the superior book. Okay, but I 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:37.760 obviously you know Witchcraft is always going to reign supreme 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.480 for me. But I think it would be so fun 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:42.679 to do a book club because you and I have 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.640 obviously is anyone who listens to this podcast knows have 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.760 very different tastes that often intersect. So I feel like 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.520 if we did something where like every other month, we 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.960 switched off on something that one of us was interested 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.440 in reading. Although I'm going to draw a hard line 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.400 on like conflict does not abuse is like not going 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.839 in the rotation. Oh I can't. I can't honestly provide 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.599 any nonfiction, Like you will not pick up any nonfiction. No, 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.000 I will pick up nonfiction. Name one nonfiction book you 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:16.960 would consider. Um. Wait, I was reading something nonfiction recently 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:20.520 and now I can't remember what it was. You just 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:26.680 can't handle reality. I can't handle reality though. It's but 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.800 my taste is I prefer fiction and if I'm going 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.320 to read, and if I'm going to read essays, like 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:37.039 I read a lot of journalism and like essays and nonfiction, 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.080 but I don't like reading them. In book form. I 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:46.920 need like the short bites, yeah, the the real nes Um. 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:51.400 If you are interested in a like a virgin book club, Um, 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.120 slide into our d M s and let us know 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.599 and we will figure out a way to make it happen. 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.000 And if you would like to be our intern running 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.520 the like a version book club, because we don't have 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.800 the capacity to do that, please let us figure we 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.320 could figure it out easily. But also slide into our 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:10.480 d M s and recommend some books. Okay, sounds good. 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.760 I love to read. Okay, now you want to say, 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.240 I say I love to read as if it's with 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.080 a gun to my head. Um, okay, yes, let me 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.000 tell you Rose. I picked up drag Race Haspania. I'm 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.520 honestly very ashamed that I hadn't started watching up until now. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.440 Um I had a friend, Um it might have been 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.520 no actually who told me to skip season one because 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.760 it's kind of a flop and just watch season two, 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:40.600 which is an immaculately cast season and it is so good. 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.720 And I have to say, I mean, okay. The one 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:47.160 caveat is that lip syncs across the board have been terrible, 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:51.600 Like I don't know if like Spanish drag there's a 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.280 lot of obviously cultural nuances between all the different kinds 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:58.160 of international drag shows that are happening, but like maybe 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:02.440 there's a different threshold are quality metric or performance style 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.400 that exists in Spain because I feel like but I 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.600 feel like like lip syncs have been bad across the 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.120 board multiple franchises, because the lipsticks have been bad on 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.760 All Stars this season. Actually t like they really have been, 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.800 like not even Jinks really is like serving in the 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.320 lip syncs. But I think part of it is the 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:26.280 song selection. Yeah it is is um that's so true. 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.920 I but what I wanted to say, just to plug 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.360 the show, or at least to plug season two for 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:37.120 the Virgins, is that one the critiques are incredible, Like 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:41.160 they are so thorough on the critiques for dr Espana, 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.280 and the categories are really cool. They had a whole 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:49.040 category on al Motive our Films. They they had a 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.960 horror category, which drag Race has never done, and it 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.240 was like maybe one of the best runways I've seen 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.840 on any drag Race franchise in a very long time. 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:02.520 And the Hobbies, who are the co directors and creators 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:06.400 of laven No, really esteemed creators in Espania are two 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.160 of the judges on drag Race, and not only are 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:14.679 the excellent judges, but they are the hottest people on 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.600 the planet. And I actually I'm going to send you 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.120 a picture right now. I think I've seen what they 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.960 look like. Babe. Let's see what you consider the hottest 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:27.520 people on the planet. Just these two average like Abercambie 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.880 looking white men. But it's just the fact that they're 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.679 like also like talented and astute and intellectual and like 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:38.120 brilliant creators in addition to being hot. I mean, they're hot. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.800 I wouldn't call them the hottest people on the plan. No, no, no, no, 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.800 no, no no, no, okay, okay, get wait wait wait wait, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:45.320 give me give me secon give me a second, give 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.120 me a second. No, I don't I don't think. I 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.160 don't think different photos will change that opinion. No, it will, 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:51.400 it will, it will, it will, it will, it will 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.400 it won't. Okay. Anyways, are they boyfriends, Yes, they're boyfriends. 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.120 They're like part their husbands. Basically, it's they're giving Bellamy 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.760 a little bit. Yeah, they are giving Bella me. Oh god, 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:06.400 I hate that about me. Um. Speaking of TV shows 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.160 that you that that one of us watches the other 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:13.160 one doesn't. UM. I started watching What We Do in 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.680 the Shadows this weekend, which I had never so. It's 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:20.959 a vampire mockumentary that was created by Tako A t 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:25.200 T and the guy from behind Flight of the Concords UM. 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.080 I have known about it for a while but was 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.400 never really interested in watching it, even though, like obviously 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.160 I love vampires. But the new season came out recently. 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.319 I think it was just nominated for an Emmy, and 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:42.360 so I guess it's been in the ether enough that 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.520 I was interested and saw it pop up on Hulu 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:49.240 as something recommended for me, and I watched the whole 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:53.360 first season this weekend and I haven't laughed out loud 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:59.000 watching a TV show like that in forever. It's actually funny. 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.080 It's about for anyone who doesn't know it's about. It's 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.120 like mockumentary style, like The Office or Parks and Recreation, 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:10.560 about three vampires who lived together on Staten Island and 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:15.240 they're very like old school vampiric, like very like Dracula 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.920 Ivantus Blood but like ridiculous, and they have a human 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.120 familiar who takes care of them and they just get 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.080 into all these like crazy hijinks. The first season, Beanie 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:28.720 Feldstein is in as a referring guest star. It is 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:34.320 so funny and smart and I just have heard so 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.400 many good things about it and it's it's really good. 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.280 And despite how kind of tired I am of Taiko A. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.559 T t as a like cultural figure, I mean, he's 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.280 he directs and writes a lot of it. But it 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.760 was only in one episode. There's actually an episode in 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:54.720 the first season that features actors who have played iconic 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.559 vampires in a bunch of different media, like Tilda Swinton's 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.040 in It so clever, Like what a what a kind 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.360 of cinematic invention on the writing level. Yeah, I guess 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.960 it was based on They made a movie version of 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.920 this like years ago, and so this is an adaptation 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:14.679 of that. Um. The fourth season is currently on now. 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.000 But it's really funny. I think you would be into 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.240 it if you watched it. From what you described, it 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.760 sounds like really good. I I might have to hop 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.160 on because I'm I'm not necessarily running out of TV, 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.720 but like I could use something new because I feel 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:29.839 like I'm just watching the same ship. I started it 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:31.280 out because I thought it would be something good to 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.000 watch while I was doing something else, like while I 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.520 was I was cleaning on Saturday, and thought it would 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.439 be good to have something in the background. But then 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.160 it's so good that I stopped doing the other things 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.959 I was doing so that I could just watch it. Okay, 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:47.400 I love that Rose. I I wouldn't say I was 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.760 excited for the Lizzo album, but I am like a 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.880 Lizzo stand like I adore her as a celebrity. I 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.240 have been following her since day one. I remember going 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.680 to see her do a talk and performance at south 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.800 By Southwest to like a room of like a hundred 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.880 and fifty people, like I love Lizzo and I actually 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:14.560 really loved her last album because I Love You. But 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.720 the singles that she has been putting out have been 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.400 I mean, they've just they've just they've been TikTok songs. 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.960 We can say that they've been perfect. And I don't 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:29.520 want to get and because I love her, I don't 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.440 want to get on here and like grill Lizzo. Like 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.520 even if I don't think that this new album Special 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.679 is really that great. The thing that I feel warrants 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:43.040 critique is a song on this album called Everybody's Gay. 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:48.160 Have you seen or heard about this at all? Not? Well, 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:54.280 she there's actually only seen kind of uniformly positive engagement 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:59.080 with the Lizzo album from people. That's so interesting to me. Um. 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.440 I will save maybe my thoughts on the album for 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.880 group chats, but I think that it is worth it 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.080 to say that Lizzo and her team knew what they 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.280 were doing when they put a song on this album 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.840 called Everybody's Gay. They're gonna get the pink news them 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.800 to us, like headline circuit that says Lizzo has created 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.800 like the next queer anthem. This is so amazing, Um, 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.640 like put it up in the clubs. It's Michael Jackson 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:29.800 referential like whatever. And like this song, first of all, 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:35.520 it sucks. The lyrics are garbage, and I feel like 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:40.400 it is such a vacant ploy to be an ally 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:44.160 anthem that has not earned its keep, Like when we 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:48.360 think about the canon of gay anthems or whatever, starting 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:52.240 from like Diana Ross doing I'm coming out to express 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:56.440 yourself to born this way. This is coming from artists 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.880 who have clocked the hours and have put in the 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.360 work as like a queer ally so to speak, to 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.480 have written and put out a single that is like 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.760 essentially pandering to that community, and I feel like this 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.480 song was on like you need to calm down levels 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.280 of like cringe in terms of what it was trying 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:22.000 to do with like the Pride circuit. And I don't know, 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.200 it just like was very ick to me because Lizzo 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:31.000 unfortunately belongs to this class of celebrities that briefly came 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.400 out as like queer and then went back into the closet. 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.480 Was like, no, I'm an ally, I'm an ally because 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.760 like Nikki did that, jesse J did that, Gaga kind 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.360 of did that, Like Marcos never said that she's not 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:49.600 actually bisexual, no, but she has very explicitly pivoted to 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.840 ally and every every time she talks about the community 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.560 she identifies as an ally, even if she hasn't explicitly 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.560 said I'm not bisexual anymore or whatever. It is a 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:04.400 strict heijik motivation, probably put on by like their management teams. 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.120 I'm sure it's maybe something they don't want to do, 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.720 but like if celebrities are queer, they often have to 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.360 go back into the closet to have more mainstream appeal, 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.720 and I feel like Lizza was one of those people. Yeah, 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.960 I think the difference with Gaga and not to harbor Gaga, 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.880 but you know, I spent most of yesterday watching clips 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.200 from the Chromatical Ball and the thing that says Gaga 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.160 apart her her sexuality aside, and I think it's a 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.200 very slippery slope to say, like she's not who she 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.640 says she is, but Gaga is and has always been 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.800 fully immersed in queer exactly exactly. It's in a way 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.200 in a way that I've never seen lizzob And I 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.600 wonder if for Lizzo because she's such a gen Z 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.760 pop star and we're at this point of like no labels, 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:54.480 you know, like everyone's gay. Like she does feel the 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.880 right to play in that sandbox without having actually like 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.560 done the on the ground work, just because of the 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.960 sort of like almost post identity era that we are in. 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.280 And the thing about this song and also with you 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:10.919 need to Calm Down, which I think is in the 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:14.920 same category. It's like, which I do. It's one of 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:20.919 my baby to kind of regularly no no, no, not 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:25.000 but but it's like it's the one with if I'm 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.639 coming to that. This is Taylor Swift Spotify playlist and 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.200 you need to calm down comes on I won't skip. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.879 Oh my god, you are losing credibility on this podcast 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.560 fast that song issh Um, I don't give a ship. Well, 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.600 what I was going to say that you disagree with 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.679 is that the I would totally excuse the egregiousness of 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.080 both of these like songs if they were just good songs. 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.000 But the songs are both of the songs. I think 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.800 we're more focused on shape never made anybody. Let's get 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.120 that sucks. That's one of the worst things that has 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.600 ever been written. Um. And I really feel like like 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.440 if the songs were good, all of this would be forgiven. 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.480 Like I would not give a ship about being pandered too. 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.240 If the song is good and um, and that's like 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.239 not a great that's I'm not proud of that, but 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.000 I think that that is culturally. Culturally, that's how the 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.840 machine works. And um. Yeah. Anyways, I just needed to 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.760 to to vent about it because Lizzo is someone who 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.639 I adore and admire and I'm rooting for and she 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.320 you know, her celebrity is not tainted. She's going to 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.919 continue to ascend and make better and better work. But like, 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.800 this is just not it and I don't think the 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:35.080 album is is it either it's like, honestly like bootleg 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:39.240 Michael Jackson, bordering on bootleg justin Timberlake, which is bootleg 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.119 Michael Jackson, I guess, but it's like getting to like 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:46.120 the Robin Thick territory of like generic like disco feel good. 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:47.920 I don't even know what it is, but I mean 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.919 speaking but speaking of disco feel good. Before we go, um, 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:55.520 I'm here to give my official review of Minions The 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.720 Rise of grou which I did see on my birthday 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.320 last week, and it was so good. I had such 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.879 a fun time at that movie. I went in knowing 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:09.359 absolutely nothing about Minions still known, I think I probably 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.639 know less about them having seen the movie. But it 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.960 was a great time. It was short and sweet. The 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.000 one thing I was disappointed about was that a lot 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.240 of the songs on the album are not actually in 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.240 the movie. It's like a lot of the songs that 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.760 are covered, they played the actual versions of them in 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.360 the movie. So I guess the album is more like 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.320 inspired by the film. It's more of like a vibe. 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.879 But um, yeah, it was. It was great. I had 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:38.520 a great time, and um, I I don't know that 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.440 I will ever see a Minions movie again. I did 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.120 clock some gentle Minions in the theater, which I don't 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.600 know if you've seen this phenomenon for the visions. What 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:52.840 are what our gentlemans? So it's this TikTok thing of 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:57.840 young men who go to Minions movies in full suits. 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:03.000 Do they have any Minions makeup or paraphernili just they're 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:07.639 just wearing suits? What gentle minions, gentlemenion? Where does this 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:11.760 come from? That's so CULTI probably from TikTok. Probably from 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:15.320 TikTok as it always comes from TikTok. Um. Wow, maybe 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.840 I'll wear my suit to the Minions to the to 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.879 my Minion screening. I don't really recommend you see it. 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:24.280 I don't think you would enjoy it. I mean, I 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.320 think it would be fine, but I just it's not 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:30.159 how I want to spend my day, I guess. I 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.040 still I'm honestly behind on on like going to theaters 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.480 and seeing movies. I have to get my home, I asked, Hi, 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.680 an am see, I've been seeing like the thing three 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.960 movies a week because of my now stubs. A list status, 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.440 that's ryan a list status, Mama, I'm going to see 0:20:46.440 --> 0:21:05.680 where the crowdut sing tomorrow problematic. I have something I'm 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:09.480 not going to say shameful but definitely vulnerable to admit, 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:14.520 which is that when Titanic came out in theaters, I 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:20.080 saw it five times, and the original release, the original release, 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:21.879 I saw it five times. And how old were you? 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:24.520 I was nine and I saw it five times. The 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:26.520 first time I saw with my mom, and then after 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.639 that she was like, you're on your own. So the 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:33.560 most visceral memory I have of seeing it is I 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:35.640 went with my brother, my brother who's two years younger 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.960 than me, so he would have been seven, and totally 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.000 didn't get what was going on. And I was sobbing 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:45.560 the whole movie. And at the end, after the movie ended, 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:47.600 we were outside of the movie theater waiting for my 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:52.080 mom to pick us up, sobbing, and this elderly couple, 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.960 this like old woman came over to be like, little boy, 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.760 are you okay? You know she didn't know, and I 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.840 was like, it was, It's just such a sad movie 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.919 that honestly sounds a lot like your experience of watching Coco, 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:10.159 which I think you've counted on the show before. But 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.240 I just can't remember. Yes, Um, I do have a 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:17.800 propensity for crying so loudly in an after movies that 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:21.320 people need to check on me. Stranger alright, complete strangers 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.679 are like, are you okay? Girl? You know I am 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:28.399 a cancer. I'm a crier and nothing gets me like 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:33.920 a melodramatic movie. And what is more melodramatic? Then we 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.800 told you this was melodrama, as Lord sang on her 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:42.840 two thousand seventeen album Melodrama. Um, yeah, Titanic really is 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:49.840 the perfect blending of a romantic melodrama and an action 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:56.800 disaster movie, like perfectly, like if they had a child, 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:02.480 like the absolute best even split of a film in 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:05.440 those two ways, and like each of them kind of 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:09.720 in conversation with them, like propping up the other, because 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:12.960 you could have made a Titanic movie that's all about 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:15.920 just like the disaster of it, but then you would 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:19.720 be missing the human element and you could make this 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:23.960 like schmaltzy romance movie, but it wouldn't have the high 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:27.879 stakes of the Titanic sinking. So I do think bringing 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:30.960 those two together is what makes this like a perfect film, 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:35.240 And the love story is what lets you feel this 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:40.520 kind of larger than life tragedy in a really human way, 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:47.200 and like that their personal tragedy makes the huge scale 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:52.960 of the Titanic itself feel even more tragic. I was, 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:55.359 I'm trying to think of other movies that are also 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:58.760 like one part romance one part disaster film, Like Hunger 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:02.360 Games is like, I guess, more dystopian than it is disaster. Yeah, 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:05.320 and it's also not a romance. I mean it does. 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.119 It has a love triangle in it, but it's not 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:13.040 what it's about. But the love triangle takes is in 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:15.480 the entire trilogy. I think it's a little but it's 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:19.280 not centered the way it isn't in Titanic because its Titanic. 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:25.000 What people think about is not, Oh, King Kong, that's 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:27.000 a love story. I don't think Peter Jackson said it 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:30.680 was a love story, But I'm talking about like, when 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:34.840