1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: If our fire island ferry Titanics tomorrow instead of that, 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: you know that the four the four piece orchestra that 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: was there, what what would be? There will be some 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: giy guy playing Charlie xax on his phone. Yeah, not 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: even with the speaker, and they'll be like, can you 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: scream a little quieter? We can't hear the song. Have 7 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: you ever wanted to talk like a man and spirit 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: like a man? I? Um, I assume you're referencing Titanic. 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: I didn't rewatch for this episode. I'm not gonna lie. 10 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to the virgin. You mean you 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: don't do a bi annual Titanic viewing like I do? 12 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: So do you mean bi annual in the twice year 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: since or in the every other year since? Because okay, 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: here the English language is insane and bi annual does 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: mean both? Isn't that so stupid? Well it means that 16 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm by and I watch it in you elite. Oh 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: that's a really good um. Anyways, and virgins, in case 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: you haven't figured it out, um, and we did warn 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: you ahead of time. Today we are watching Titanic and 20 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: discussing all of the things that there are to discuss 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: about um what bros Will say is the greatest film 22 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 1: ever created. Yes, today we are revisiting James Cameron's flawed 23 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: but beautiful masterpiece Titanic. Uh, and we really have to 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: call it James Cameron's Titanic. I feel like we should 25 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: be erasing him at this point. I feel like it 26 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: should be erased. His dirty little fingerprints are all over 27 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: it and it would not be what it is without him. 28 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: And we are going to look back at Titanic and 29 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: talk about how it shaped us, how maybe some of 30 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: us crashed into it like an iceberg and it totally 31 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: changed the course of our lives. Because this is like 32 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: a virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: today's takes. I'm Rose damn you, and I'm fran Toronto. 34 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: Yeah he there's nothing effy epsing myself for this. I 35 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: have something really dark to admit, which is that I 36 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: did not leave my apartment this weekend. Not once did 37 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: you step out to get like a coffee or like 38 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: I stepped out to take trash to the dumpster. Otherwise 39 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: I did not leave my I didn't leave my apartment building. 40 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: I love that. Honestly, it's all about restoration here and 41 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: uh did you did you restore? What did you do? Well? What? 42 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: I The main reason is that I read um three 43 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: books this weekend. Oh so brag So I I just 44 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: got a kindle because I want one and Amazon day, 45 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, backup, back up, phoebe 46 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: take that out. We are not on this podcast anyway, 47 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: shouting out Amazon Day. I got it. I got an 48 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: unnamed electronic reader, um, and I read six books last week. Whoa, 49 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm so jealous of your reading ability. You're reading. The 50 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: caveat is unmatched. The caveat is. They were all historical 51 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: gay romances, so you know they're they're quick reads. What 52 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: are were they lesbian romances? Where they was gonna they 53 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: were mm oh not mm so they can't even be 54 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: deemed bodice rippers. They're um like Cody rippers. Did we 55 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: just did we just invent that? Honestly, we're genius. Um. Well, 56 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: so I started reading one of them while we were 57 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: on vacation. You you have seen what is it called 58 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: The Soldier and Soldier Scoundrels, The Soldiers scoundrel So I 59 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: finished that and read the other two books in that series, 60 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: and then I read a series by this author whose 61 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: books I've read before. Their name is K. J. Charles, 62 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: and I read this series. Um, that's sort of like 63 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: it's called The Charm of Magpies and it's like historical 64 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: gay fantasy. I kind of needed it because I have 65 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: been writing a lot and reading a lot has been 66 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: really helpful to that process. And also I just like 67 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: wanted to read some gay, historical gay erotica. Love that 68 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: for you. I do think we should start like a 69 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: Virgin book club. I definitely I'm on a little reading 70 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: stint after a whole I mean, in June, I feel 71 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: like I didn't read at all. But on Fire Island 72 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: I did start to read the Death of a vic 73 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: O g by Equake, a messy who's like an amaze 74 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: author that I've admired for a while. And I also 75 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: picked up, much to your delight, I finally picked up 76 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: a rather borrowed my friend Amy's copy of Searcy by 77 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: Madeline Miller. Oh, I didn't know that. That's amazing. Yeah, 78 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you about it. But like Madeline 79 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Miller wrote a Song of Achilles, which is one of 80 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: my favorite books of all time, and I very famously 81 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: did interview her for my senior thesis paper for undergrad 82 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: I think Searcy is the superior book. Okay, but I 83 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: obviously you know Witchcraft is always going to reign supreme 84 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: for me. But I think it would be so fun 85 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 1: to do a book club because you and I have 86 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: obviously is anyone who listens to this podcast knows have 87 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: very different tastes that often intersect. So I feel like 88 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: if we did something where like every other month, we 89 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: switched off on something that one of us was interested 90 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: in reading. Although I'm going to draw a hard line 91 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: on like conflict does not abuse is like not going 92 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: in the rotation. Oh I can't. I can't honestly provide 93 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: any nonfiction, Like you will not pick up any nonfiction. No, 94 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: I will pick up nonfiction. Name one nonfiction book you 95 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: would consider. Um. Wait, I was reading something nonfiction recently 96 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: and now I can't remember what it was. You just 97 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: can't handle reality. I can't handle reality though. It's but 98 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: my taste is I prefer fiction and if I'm going 99 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: to read, and if I'm going to read essays, like 100 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: I read a lot of journalism and like essays and nonfiction, 101 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: but I don't like reading them. In book form. I 102 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: need like the short bites, yeah, the the real nes Um. 103 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: If you are interested in a like a virgin book club, Um, 104 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: slide into our d M s and let us know 105 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: and we will figure out a way to make it happen. 106 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: And if you would like to be our intern running 107 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: the like a version book club, because we don't have 108 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: the capacity to do that, please let us figure we 109 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: could figure it out easily. But also slide into our 110 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: d M s and recommend some books. Okay, sounds good. 111 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: I love to read. Okay, now you want to say, 112 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: I say I love to read as if it's with 113 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: a gun to my head. Um, okay, yes, let me 114 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: tell you Rose. I picked up drag Race Haspania. I'm 115 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: honestly very ashamed that I hadn't started watching up until now. 116 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: Um I had a friend, Um it might have been 117 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: no actually who told me to skip season one because 118 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: it's kind of a flop and just watch season two, 119 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: which is an immaculately cast season and it is so good. 120 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: And I have to say, I mean, okay. The one 121 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: caveat is that lip syncs across the board have been terrible, 122 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: Like I don't know if like Spanish drag there's a 123 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: lot of obviously cultural nuances between all the different kinds 124 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: of international drag shows that are happening, but like maybe 125 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: there's a different threshold are quality metric or performance style 126 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: that exists in Spain because I feel like but I 127 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: feel like like lip syncs have been bad across the 128 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: board multiple franchises, because the lipsticks have been bad on 129 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: All Stars this season. Actually t like they really have been, 130 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: like not even Jinks really is like serving in the 131 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: lip syncs. But I think part of it is the 132 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: song selection. Yeah it is is um that's so true. 133 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: I but what I wanted to say, just to plug 134 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: the show, or at least to plug season two for 135 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: the Virgins, is that one the critiques are incredible, Like 136 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: they are so thorough on the critiques for dr Espana, 137 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: and the categories are really cool. They had a whole 138 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: category on al Motive our Films. They they had a 139 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: horror category, which drag Race has never done, and it 140 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: was like maybe one of the best runways I've seen 141 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: on any drag Race franchise in a very long time. 142 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: And the Hobbies, who are the co directors and creators 143 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: of laven No, really esteemed creators in Espania are two 144 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: of the judges on drag Race, and not only are 145 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: the excellent judges, but they are the hottest people on 146 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: the planet. And I actually I'm going to send you 147 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: a picture right now. I think I've seen what they 148 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: look like. Babe. Let's see what you consider the hottest 149 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: people on the planet. Just these two average like Abercambie 150 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: looking white men. But it's just the fact that they're 151 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: like also like talented and astute and intellectual and like 152 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: brilliant creators in addition to being hot. I mean, they're hot. 153 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't call them the hottest people on the plan. No, no, no, no, 154 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, okay, okay, get wait wait wait wait, 155 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: give me give me secon give me a second, give 156 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: me a second. No, I don't I don't think. I 157 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: don't think different photos will change that opinion. No, it will, 158 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: it will, it will, it will, it will, it will 159 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: it won't. Okay. Anyways, are they boyfriends, Yes, they're boyfriends. 160 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: They're like part their husbands. Basically, it's they're giving Bellamy 161 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, they are giving Bella me. Oh god, 162 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: I hate that about me. Um. Speaking of TV shows 163 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: that you that that one of us watches the other 164 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: one doesn't. UM. I started watching What We Do in 165 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: the Shadows this weekend, which I had never so. It's 166 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 1: a vampire mockumentary that was created by Tako A t 167 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: T and the guy from behind Flight of the Concords UM. 168 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: I have known about it for a while but was 169 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: never really interested in watching it, even though, like obviously 170 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: I love vampires. But the new season came out recently. 171 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: I think it was just nominated for an Emmy, and 172 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: so I guess it's been in the ether enough that 173 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: I was interested and saw it pop up on Hulu 174 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: as something recommended for me, and I watched the whole 175 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: first season this weekend and I haven't laughed out loud 176 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: watching a TV show like that in forever. It's actually funny. 177 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: It's about for anyone who doesn't know it's about. It's 178 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: like mockumentary style, like The Office or Parks and Recreation, 179 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: about three vampires who lived together on Staten Island and 180 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: they're very like old school vampiric, like very like Dracula 181 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: Ivantus Blood but like ridiculous, and they have a human 182 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: familiar who takes care of them and they just get 183 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: into all these like crazy hijinks. The first season, Beanie 184 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: Feldstein is in as a referring guest star. It is 185 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: so funny and smart and I just have heard so 186 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: many good things about it and it's it's really good. 187 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: And despite how kind of tired I am of Taiko A. 188 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: T t as a like cultural figure, I mean, he's 189 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: he directs and writes a lot of it. But it 190 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: was only in one episode. There's actually an episode in 191 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: the first season that features actors who have played iconic 192 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: vampires in a bunch of different media, like Tilda Swinton's 193 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: in It so clever, Like what a what a kind 194 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: of cinematic invention on the writing level. Yeah, I guess 195 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: it was based on They made a movie version of 196 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: this like years ago, and so this is an adaptation 197 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: of that. Um. The fourth season is currently on now. 198 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: But it's really funny. I think you would be into 199 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: it if you watched it. From what you described, it 200 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: sounds like really good. I I might have to hop 201 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: on because I'm I'm not necessarily running out of TV, 202 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: but like I could use something new because I feel 203 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: like I'm just watching the same ship. I started it 204 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: out because I thought it would be something good to 205 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: watch while I was doing something else, like while I 206 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: was I was cleaning on Saturday, and thought it would 207 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: be good to have something in the background. But then 208 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: it's so good that I stopped doing the other things 209 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: I was doing so that I could just watch it. Okay, 210 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: I love that Rose. I I wouldn't say I was 211 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: excited for the Lizzo album, but I am like a 212 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: Lizzo stand like I adore her as a celebrity. I 213 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: have been following her since day one. I remember going 214 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: to see her do a talk and performance at south 215 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: By Southwest to like a room of like a hundred 216 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: and fifty people, like I love Lizzo and I actually 217 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: really loved her last album because I Love You. But 218 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: the singles that she has been putting out have been 219 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: I mean, they've just they've just they've been TikTok songs. 220 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: We can say that they've been perfect. And I don't 221 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: want to get and because I love her, I don't 222 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: want to get on here and like grill Lizzo. Like 223 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: even if I don't think that this new album Special 224 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: is really that great. The thing that I feel warrants 225 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: critique is a song on this album called Everybody's Gay. 226 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: Have you seen or heard about this at all? Not? Well, 227 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: she there's actually only seen kind of uniformly positive engagement 228 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: with the Lizzo album from people. That's so interesting to me. Um. 229 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: I will save maybe my thoughts on the album for 230 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: group chats, but I think that it is worth it 231 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: to say that Lizzo and her team knew what they 232 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: were doing when they put a song on this album 233 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: called Everybody's Gay. They're gonna get the pink news them 234 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: to us, like headline circuit that says Lizzo has created 235 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: like the next queer anthem. This is so amazing, Um, 236 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: like put it up in the clubs. It's Michael Jackson 237 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: referential like whatever. And like this song, first of all, 238 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: it sucks. The lyrics are garbage, and I feel like 239 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: it is such a vacant ploy to be an ally 240 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: anthem that has not earned its keep, Like when we 241 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: think about the canon of gay anthems or whatever, starting 242 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: from like Diana Ross doing I'm coming out to express 243 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: yourself to born this way. This is coming from artists 244 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: who have clocked the hours and have put in the 245 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: work as like a queer ally so to speak, to 246 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: have written and put out a single that is like 247 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: essentially pandering to that community, and I feel like this 248 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: song was on like you need to calm down levels 249 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: of like cringe in terms of what it was trying 250 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: to do with like the Pride circuit. And I don't know, 251 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: it just like was very ick to me because Lizzo 252 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: unfortunately belongs to this class of celebrities that briefly came 253 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: out as like queer and then went back into the closet. 254 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: Was like, no, I'm an ally, I'm an ally because 255 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: like Nikki did that, jesse J did that, Gaga kind 256 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: of did that, Like Marcos never said that she's not 257 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: actually bisexual, no, but she has very explicitly pivoted to 258 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: ally and every every time she talks about the community 259 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: she identifies as an ally, even if she hasn't explicitly 260 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: said I'm not bisexual anymore or whatever. It is a 261 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: strict heijik motivation, probably put on by like their management teams. 262 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's maybe something they don't want to do, 263 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: but like if celebrities are queer, they often have to 264 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: go back into the closet to have more mainstream appeal, 265 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: and I feel like Lizza was one of those people. Yeah, 266 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: I think the difference with Gaga and not to harbor Gaga, 267 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: but you know, I spent most of yesterday watching clips 268 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: from the Chromatical Ball and the thing that says Gaga 269 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: apart her her sexuality aside, and I think it's a 270 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: very slippery slope to say, like she's not who she 271 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: says she is, but Gaga is and has always been 272 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: fully immersed in queer exactly exactly. It's in a way 273 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: in a way that I've never seen lizzob And I 274 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: wonder if for Lizzo because she's such a gen Z 275 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: pop star and we're at this point of like no labels, 276 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, like everyone's gay. Like she does feel the 277 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: right to play in that sandbox without having actually like 278 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: done the on the ground work, just because of the 279 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: sort of like almost post identity era that we are in. 280 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: And the thing about this song and also with you 281 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: need to Calm Down, which I think is in the 282 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: same category. It's like, which I do. It's one of 283 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: my baby to kind of regularly no no, no, not 284 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: but but it's like it's the one with if I'm 285 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: coming to that. This is Taylor Swift Spotify playlist and 286 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: you need to calm down comes on I won't skip. 287 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you are losing credibility on this podcast 288 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: fast that song issh Um, I don't give a ship. Well, 289 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: what I was going to say that you disagree with 290 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: is that the I would totally excuse the egregiousness of 291 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: both of these like songs if they were just good songs. 292 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: But the songs are both of the songs. I think 293 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: we're more focused on shape never made anybody. Let's get 294 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: that sucks. That's one of the worst things that has 295 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: ever been written. Um. And I really feel like like 296 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: if the songs were good, all of this would be forgiven. 297 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: Like I would not give a ship about being pandered too. 298 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: If the song is good and um, and that's like 299 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,239 Speaker 1: not a great that's I'm not proud of that, but 300 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: I think that that is culturally. Culturally, that's how the 301 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: machine works. And um. Yeah. Anyways, I just needed to 302 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: to to vent about it because Lizzo is someone who 303 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: I adore and admire and I'm rooting for and she 304 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, her celebrity is not tainted. She's going to 305 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: continue to ascend and make better and better work. But like, 306 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: this is just not it and I don't think the 307 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: album is is it either it's like, honestly like bootleg 308 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, bordering on bootleg justin Timberlake, which is bootleg 309 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, I guess, but it's like getting to like 310 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: the Robin Thick territory of like generic like disco feel good. 311 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: I don't even know what it is, but I mean 312 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: speaking but speaking of disco feel good. Before we go, um, 313 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm here to give my official review of Minions The 314 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: Rise of grou which I did see on my birthday 315 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: last week, and it was so good. I had such 316 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: a fun time at that movie. I went in knowing 317 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing about Minions still known, I think I probably 318 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: know less about them having seen the movie. But it 319 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: was a great time. It was short and sweet. The 320 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: one thing I was disappointed about was that a lot 321 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: of the songs on the album are not actually in 322 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: the movie. It's like a lot of the songs that 323 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: are covered, they played the actual versions of them in 324 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: the movie. So I guess the album is more like 325 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: inspired by the film. It's more of like a vibe. 326 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, it was. It was great. I had 327 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: a great time, and um, I I don't know that 328 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: I will ever see a Minions movie again. I did 329 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: clock some gentle Minions in the theater, which I don't 330 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: know if you've seen this phenomenon for the visions. What 331 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: are what our gentlemans? So it's this TikTok thing of 332 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: young men who go to Minions movies in full suits. 333 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: Do they have any Minions makeup or paraphernili just they're 334 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: just wearing suits? What gentle minions, gentlemenion? Where does this 335 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: come from? That's so CULTI probably from TikTok. Probably from 336 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: TikTok as it always comes from TikTok. Um. Wow, maybe 337 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: I'll wear my suit to the Minions to the to 338 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: my Minion screening. I don't really recommend you see it. 339 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: I don't think you would enjoy it. I mean, I 340 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: think it would be fine, but I just it's not 341 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: how I want to spend my day, I guess. I 342 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: still I'm honestly behind on on like going to theaters 343 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: and seeing movies. I have to get my home, I asked, Hi, 344 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: an am see, I've been seeing like the thing three 345 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: movies a week because of my now stubs. A list status, 346 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: that's ryan a list status, Mama, I'm going to see 347 00:20:46,440 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: where the crowdut sing tomorrow problematic. I have something I'm 348 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: not going to say shameful but definitely vulnerable to admit, 349 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: which is that when Titanic came out in theaters, I 350 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: saw it five times, and the original release, the original release, 351 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: I saw it five times. And how old were you? 352 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: I was nine and I saw it five times. The 353 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: first time I saw with my mom, and then after 354 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: that she was like, you're on your own. So the 355 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: most visceral memory I have of seeing it is I 356 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: went with my brother, my brother who's two years younger 357 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: than me, so he would have been seven, and totally 358 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: didn't get what was going on. And I was sobbing 359 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: the whole movie. And at the end, after the movie ended, 360 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: we were outside of the movie theater waiting for my 361 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: mom to pick us up, sobbing, and this elderly couple, 362 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: this like old woman came over to be like, little boy, 363 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: are you okay? You know she didn't know, and I 364 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: was like, it was, It's just such a sad movie 365 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: that honestly sounds a lot like your experience of watching Coco, 366 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: which I think you've counted on the show before. But 367 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: I just can't remember. Yes, Um, I do have a 368 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: propensity for crying so loudly in an after movies that 369 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: people need to check on me. Stranger alright, complete strangers 370 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: are like, are you okay? Girl? You know I am 371 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: a cancer. I'm a crier and nothing gets me like 372 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: a melodramatic movie. And what is more melodramatic? Then we 373 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: told you this was melodrama, as Lord sang on her 374 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen album Melodrama. Um, yeah, Titanic really is 375 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: the perfect blending of a romantic melodrama and an action 376 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: disaster movie, like perfectly, like if they had a child, 377 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: like the absolute best even split of a film in 378 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: those two ways, and like each of them kind of 379 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: in conversation with them, like propping up the other, because 380 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: you could have made a Titanic movie that's all about 381 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: just like the disaster of it, but then you would 382 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: be missing the human element and you could make this 383 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: like schmaltzy romance movie, but it wouldn't have the high 384 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: stakes of the Titanic sinking. So I do think bringing 385 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: those two together is what makes this like a perfect film, 386 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: And the love story is what lets you feel this 387 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: kind of larger than life tragedy in a really human way, 388 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: and like that their personal tragedy makes the huge scale 389 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: of the Titanic itself feel even more tragic. I was, 390 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of other movies that are also 391 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: like one part romance one part disaster film, Like Hunger 392 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 1: Games is like, I guess, more dystopian than it is disaster. Yeah, 393 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: and it's also not a romance. I mean it does. 394 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: It has a love triangle in it, but it's not 395 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: what it's about. But the love triangle takes is in 396 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: the entire trilogy. I think it's a little but it's 397 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: not centered the way it isn't in Titanic because its Titanic. 398 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: What people think about is not, Oh, King Kong, that's 399 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: a love story. I don't think Peter Jackson said it 400 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: was a love story, But I'm talking about like, when 401 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: you leave Titanic, you don't you think about the love story? 402 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: Did you like King Kong? Talk about another three hour movie? 403 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: I've never seen it. Really, I will say it's very good. 404 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: Jack Black eight, He really does he play King Kong? No, 405 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: he plays like you know the scientists that that you 406 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: know understands King Kong, that who has the love story 407 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: Jack Black and King Kong. I'm sure there's fan fiction about. 408 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: I think they loves to or as King Kong and 409 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: Naomi Watts. I think it's I think there's a I 410 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: don't actually remember, but I do just have a very 411 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: vivid memory of Peter Jackson talking about how much he 412 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: loves King Kong and that is a love story. Um 413 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: is Peter Jackson British? No, he know, he's from New Zealand. 414 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: Was like the whole the whole thing. Oh right, yeah, 415 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: that's why tellphone Anyways, Titanic. Um. I was not allowed 416 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: to watch Titanic growing up, obviously, but we really devastated. 417 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: It's weirdest, like in our household, like there could not 418 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: be like a runchier movie, Like like in my mind 419 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: it was the most r rated, most scandalous thing I 420 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: could possibly go see because of Kate Winslet's boobs, because 421 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: of well I didn't know why at the time, but 422 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: looking back, looking back, because because of the boobs, like 423 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: the sex scene is like like really really p g 424 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: Like all you see is her hands. I mean it's 425 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: very visceral, but you don't see anything, you know what 426 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: I mean, And you see them kind of like shuddering 427 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: on each other and and you know, like it is 428 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: kind of clear that in that relationship, Jack is the 429 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: bottom because he's the one who is much more like 430 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: winded by the whole situation. He like collapses on top 431 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: of her. And um, yeah, Kate is definitely the topic. Also, 432 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: like they are. I think they're a T for TA couple, right, 433 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,479 Speaker 1: you were telling me this, and I feel like, um, 434 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: I feel like you know, I would, I would ask 435 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: you to provide evidence and our support. Okay, okay, I will, 436 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: you will, I will provide me some some backing. So 437 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: some of this is so some of this is supported 438 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: by producer Phoebe who found an article that was written 439 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: about this whole thing. Um, the article neither of us 440 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: have read. This theory is this theory is not mine. 441 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: I mean I've definitely always felt that there was their 442 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: Their vibe was very tee for tea, which I see immediately. 443 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: But one of the things that was specifically called out 444 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: it's like, I do think Leo of this era, like 445 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: teen dreamboat Leo on the cover of Tiger Beet magazine, 446 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: is really giving like a year on T energy, maybe 447 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: even less than a year. I think a year. I 448 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: think a year long enough for the voice to drop 449 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: a little bit um like post top surgery. And that's 450 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: one of the things is that you never see him 451 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: shirtless in the movie. Yeah, there we go, because you 452 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: don't want to see you because otherwise you would see 453 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: the topic. Jack and Rose very chosen names. I'm sorry, 454 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: I mean not really really coming for me, but they are. 455 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: They're chosen names. I mean, Jack is a really hot name. 456 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: I feel like that must have been it probably, I'll 457 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: bet you those were two of the most popular names, 458 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: like absolutely, like like kids who now are what like 459 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: twenty there are all Rose. Well, actually they've all transitions 460 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: for the Jackson Jack. Um, I was there? Um, did 461 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: you have the VHS box set? Girl and My boy? 462 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: That I mean the movie that came in three VHS? 463 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: I know its two VH. Sorry. I remember so vividly 464 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: the day that I went to the mall to buy 465 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: the box set of Titanic and I went home and 466 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: I watched it while sitting on the bed that my 467 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: ex stepdad's grandma died on, and watched the movie twice 468 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: in a row, and then probably watch it like every 469 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: day after school when I got home stick in the 470 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: head and now for a year and I I And 471 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't just the movie for me, so like Titanic 472 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: mania was such a thing. Okay, you had the paraphernalia. 473 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: I had the paraphernalia. I had a book about the movie. 474 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: I had a book about the shipwreck. I asked for 475 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: a model of it for Hanuka and got it and 476 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: built about like a fifteenth of it and then completely 477 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: abandoned it and just sat in sat in my closet. 478 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: Um I I was. I was more obsessed with the 479 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: movie than with the ship, and like the story itself, 480 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: although I do like other you know, Titanic associated media, 481 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: like I love that Titanic the Titanic sinking is the 482 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: inciting incident of Downtown Abbey. I didn't know this either, 483 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: And I mean, my mind is blowing because I've never 484 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: seen down Natty Well. I didn't he really need you 485 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: really need to change that it's about the Titanic for 486 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: some reason. But that's like, I mean, I feel like 487 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: the Titanic is like nerd ship. Like the fact that 488 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: James Cameron. Another fact that you turned me onto that 489 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: I had no idea was that James Cameron was a 490 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: marine biologist or he was not a marine biologist, but 491 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: he was fascinated with the bottom of the ocean. Um 492 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: he worked as an explorer. Well he he you know, 493 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: was a very rich director after the success of Terminator 494 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: and Aliens, and he started doing all this underwater exploration 495 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of the footage of the Titanic that's 496 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: in the movie are from his And that's why the 497 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: Bill Paxton character in the movie like is in the 498 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: movie because he is basically a self insert of James 499 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: Cameron and literally, like in a deleted scene, hooks up 500 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: with Um James Cameron's ex wife, who was who plays 501 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: the granddaughter of Old Rose. I'm shook to find out 502 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: that there are deleted scenes, honestly because this man needed 503 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: an editor and I need more. I wish the deleted 504 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: scenes were on the movie. I think it could be longer. 505 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: No it I feel like a third of it could 506 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: have been a chop chop chopped or honestly, if it 507 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: were made today, it would just be a limited series. 508 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: It would be it would have been a great limited series. 509 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: It would be. I mean that's basically what Downtown abou 510 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,479 Speaker 1: Ish I would like to I would like a limited 511 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: series that's centered around Kathy Bates, the uncloppable Molly Brown. 512 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: Well that is actually and we have to get to Kathy. 513 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: But I have to say, like, the thing that is 514 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: really cool about the world building of the movie is 515 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: that the Titanic is in and of itself an ecosystem 516 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: that you only peel away a few layers of by 517 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: way of the characters that you follow around. But if 518 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: it were a mini series, you really would get to 519 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: dive into so many different parts of the boat and 520 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: so many different like people that kind of make this 521 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: thing happen. It would be very Downton Abbey. It would 522 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: be very because down to like the whole point of 523 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: Downton Abbey is like it's about the the the tension 524 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: and the differences between the upstairs and the downstairs, the 525 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: masters and the servants. And I think that's what um 526 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: something that's like I like Titanic obviously as a movie 527 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: like does reckon with class, Like that's what the whole 528 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: love story is about. But you're right in that, I 529 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: think like it's a really great setting for a longer 530 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: piece of fiction because you could investigate all of these 531 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: different people, like you know, the people, the first class people, 532 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, the people in steer Ridge, the people who 533 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: are working on the boat. How long were they at 534 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: sea before they crashed? Um, I want to say like 535 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: ten days? Okay on April twelve. I would love to 536 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: watch a mini series that was about those ten days. 537 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: And they could all just be about gossip, like literally, 538 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: like intracommunal, like Titanic, like class Woul should barely be 539 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: the gilded age? Yes on a boat. Yeah, well not 540 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: the guild age, because that is like not a good 541 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: TV show. But like, get out of here, baby, you 542 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: have said verbatim that it's not good like you. The 543 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: first couple of episodes were a little boring, but by 544 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: the end of the season it was incredible, but incredible 545 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: in a background television No, no, incredible and I was 546 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: on the edge of my seat glued to the TV. 547 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: Really yes, well maybe I will. And it's and it 548 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: was created and written by Julian Fellows, who also created 549 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: and wrote down Too Abbey, So she must have been upset. 550 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: Was she obsessed with the titan Titanic too? I think 551 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: that the reason the Titanic sinking is is was useful 552 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: as a plot device in Downton Abbey. And I think 553 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: why a lot of artists, like James Cameron other people 554 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: find it interesting. Is because it does feel like a 555 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: cultural shift, and like, um, it does kind of signal 556 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: the end of and the end of of of a 557 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: period in you know, society for sure. Like it is 558 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: kind of like the end of like the Gilded Age 559 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: and like the Edwardian era UM, and it kind of 560 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: ushers in a new age UM. And it like literally 561 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: all of these rich people dying you know, at sea 562 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: at like at this during this um you know, kind 563 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: of like the most at the time, like the biggest 564 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: manifestation of opulence and arrogance, you know, because it was 565 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: like the Ship of dreams. It was like the biggest 566 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: ship ever made. It was unsinkable. And that like the 567 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: gag that that ship sunk on a maiden voyage while 568 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: all of the some of the richest, most famous people 569 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: in the world were on board. Is like that's why 570 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: it's such an enduring tragedy, is because it is like 571 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: a crystallization of, you know, the arrogance of man. So 572 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: the Titanic basically was this generation's fire Festival. It's not 573 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: a perfect metaphor because I think like fire Festival was 574 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 1: like was a scam, and the Titanic was not necessarily 575 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: a scam. It was just like, well it scammed a 576 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: lot of people, was theirs. It was just kind of 577 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: like a gross miscalculation, whereas Fire Festival like was actually 578 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: trying to pull the wool over people's eyes. Well, I 579 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: mean the Titanic was clearly not built properly, like very 580 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: Boeing seven kind of stick. Like that's a little bit 581 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: of a scam. They did scam people. Yeah, where's the 582 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: wors the inventing and a miniseries about like the girl 583 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: boss who made this? I love that it has to 584 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: be a woman. That's that's why we have all these 585 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: girl Boss TV shows. It's like it's just misogyny. Yeah. 586 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: I feel like if if the Titanic existed, you know today, 587 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: like the top of that would be like influencers, you 588 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean, influencers and like George W. Bush, 589 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: who else would be up there? Just rich people, rich people, 590 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: the Headid's real housewife. Maybe. I don't think the Kardashian 591 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think any of the house eyes 592 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 1: are even rich enough to be like on the top 593 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: of the type. Yeah, well maybe the Beverly Hills girls yeah, 594 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: or the Dubai girls. The Dubai girls, Yeah, yeah, they would, 595 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: But who wants to be on a boat for that long? 596 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: Like the the idea of traveling by boat? Do you 597 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: get sea sick? I do get sea sick on like 598 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: extended trips. I've only been on one cruise. I don't 599 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: remember why my parents didn't and we might have gotten 600 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: like a group on or something. But I remember enjoying 601 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: the novelty of a cruise, but like mostly being disgusted 602 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: by everything I lost. I lost my virginity on a cruise. No, ye, 603 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: you lost your virginity at seat I know, just like 604 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: just like Jack and Rose and I did think about 605 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: that while it was happening. Yeah, and it was who 606 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: was it? What was the circumstance? How have we never 607 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: talked about this on a podcast about virginity? So it 608 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: was New Year's Eve? No, it was not New Year's Eve. 609 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: I was a senior in high school and I was 610 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 1: had like made friends with these kids who were on 611 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: the cruise, and we were all like in a hotel. 612 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: We were all in one of our rooms, and there 613 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: was one other gay kid, and so the two straight 614 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: couples we were with started like hooking up in their 615 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: respective beds, because that's just like what teenagers do when 616 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: they're hanging out. It's like, well, like we're all going 617 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: to hook up in the same room because like we 618 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: don't have anywhere else to go, and so the gay 619 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: can I kind of looked at each other and we're like, 620 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: I guess we should leave um. And then we were 621 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: like we hadn't been into each other the whole trip, 622 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: but it's it's it's a default. It's yeah, and also 623 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: you know the romance of being New Year's Eve if 624 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: we were and we couldn't go back to either of 625 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 1: our rooms because I was sharing a room with my brother. 626 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: He was sharing a room with like someone else in 627 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: his family. So we had to go to a bathroom 628 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: and fuck in one of the stalls, and he used 629 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: hand soap as lube, yes, and it was like so 630 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: painful and uncomfortable, but I did your asshole was squeaky clean. 631 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: I was squeaky clean, and I do think I might 632 00:37:54,320 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: have like done hand on the side of the bathroom. Rose, Like, Rose, 633 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: is that why you have not? Why do you have 634 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: your name? Rose? Is this? So that is how I 635 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: lost my virginy? I never spoke to this boy again. 636 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: He was very cute though he looked like um, he 637 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: looked like Jason Biggs from American Pie. Wow. So that 638 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 1: was my sort of Titanics. And then the boat sank 639 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: an iceberg in the boat sank, Wow, But I survived 640 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: because I got into the life boat with the women 641 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: and children. Do you think if we were on the 642 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: Titanic in and we tried to get on one of 643 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: the life boats with the women and children, do you 644 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: think they would let us on? No? I don't think so. Well, 645 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: I mean they might let me on because they'll be like, well, 646 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: here's a man. But that's they wouldn't have because children. 647 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,720 Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah. Oh. In my head, I just immediately 648 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: assumed that all the men get the privilege of getting on. 649 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: Then that's the river someone happened. It's the what's the 650 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: one circumstance in which the patriarchy like doesn't right? Right? 651 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: But that I mean, rich guys still got their own 652 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: boats though, Because you think I would if they would 653 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,439 Speaker 1: have just assumed I was like I was fish, Yeah, 654 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 1: I think I would have gotten on the boat. I mean, yeah, 655 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: I guess it would depend I would depend on a 656 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: few different things. But you know, I wouldn't have left 657 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: you behind. I would have stayed on the boat with you, 658 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,439 Speaker 1: just like Ross I would have. I would have gotten 659 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: on the boat and then I would have had that 660 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,320 Speaker 1: moment I was like, I can't leave them behind, and 661 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: I would have jumped onto the ship. But then I 662 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: probably would have like missed and fallen into water and die. 663 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: I know, oh my god. Honestly, like disaster movies, like 664 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: really like like I had a lot of existential terror 665 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 1: around because of disaster movies when I was a kid. 666 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: Um we had this there's this like novel slash TV 667 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: series that's really popular among Christians called Left Behind. Yes, 668 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: I've never read it, but I remember every time I 669 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: went into a bookstore when I was a kid, I 670 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 1: would see them and the covers are very much giving 671 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: like young adults sci fi fantasy. Yeah, and so I 672 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: would so I would always be like, is this something 673 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,720 Speaker 1: I should be reading? Is this like a vampire romance 674 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: or something? And for those of you that don't know, 675 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: it's about the rapture. It's about the rapture of our 676 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: Lord and Savior. I've never I don't remember ever finishing 677 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: the books, but I actually have a very vivid This 678 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 1: is a really great Margot memory of when my sister 679 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: started reading this series. I remember her being very affective 680 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: by it. And one night my mom was like, princesso Francisco, 681 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 1: come come into Medissa's room and I was like, okay, 682 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: And I come in and my sister is sobbing uncontrollably, 683 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, what's going on? 684 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: There is everything okay? And my sister has like the 685 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: Left Behind, like the Left Behind book, like the first one, 686 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: like in her lap or whatever, and and um, she's 687 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: crying because the book is horrific and like really scary 688 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: and about the end of the world and how if 689 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: you're a sinner you're going to die basically yeah. And 690 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: my my mom was like, your sister has decided to 691 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: accept Lord and Savior into her heart and she she's 692 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 1: chosen a path of Christ. Isn't that such good news? 693 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: And I was like, my my sister is literally crying. 694 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: She's like, aren't you so happy? And I was like, 695 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: so this book enacted psychological terror to trick my sister, 696 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: and that was the whole point of them. Yes, literally 697 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: there's propaganda. They're literally propagandic It so fucked um. But yeah, no, 698 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: I wish there was like a basically what the Titanic. 699 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 1: I wish there was like a teen book series about 700 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: the Titanic. There probably is. We need a gay Titanic story. 701 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: I would love. I mean, this is what I'm saying 702 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: about the mini series is like, well, I mean there's 703 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: there's so many different stories. I mean there are lots 704 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: of like in fan fiction, there's lots of Titanic A 705 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: use alternate universe. So it's like these two characters but 706 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,240 Speaker 1: they're on the Titanic. I've definitely very Potter. Yeah, Draco 707 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: Harry on the Titanic. I've definitely I've actually definitely read 708 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: that before. Stupid I hate that. Oh my god. Okay, 709 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: so some of my favorite parts of the movie, Okay, 710 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: favorite favorite line reading, So like they're definitely like when 711 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: Rose gets out of the car at the beginning, and 712 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: like she has the hot on and she looks up 713 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: at the type Titanic and then it doesn't look bigger 714 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 1: than the Maretania and then um, you know, she has 715 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: some some banter with Billy Zane, who plays Cal her 716 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 1: her fiance, and he says you can be blase about 717 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: something's Rose, but not about Titanic love that love that one. 718 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: Also when Rose and her mom are fighting about like 719 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: being poor and Rose's mom is tightening her corset and 720 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: they're fighting and Rosco's careful mother, you'll give yourself a 721 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: nose bleed, which is a scene that I reenacted with 722 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: Rebecca Moore on the set of The Cocktail Story is 723 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: Poor and that I was in. Oh no, no, it 724 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: was with Sophie. Sophie was lacing up my corset. I 725 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: love that. I mean, any scene in any cultural object 726 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: where a woman is putting another woman into a corset 727 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: is a movie that I want to watch. The Caribbean. 728 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: We're just going a cut breeze. Were she saying it 729 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: like through her teeth. And then because Kire Nightley does 730 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,399 Speaker 1: have the same voice as Sean Connery, so she says 731 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: like you have no shunch of decentcy just you can 732 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 1: you can hear her underbite, and she faints because of 733 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,720 Speaker 1: the corset because that's why she falls into the oceans 734 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 1: because her corset is so tight. Well, she actually was 735 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 1: physically injured from that scene. She I think she like 736 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: broke a rib or something like that, but she did 737 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,919 Speaker 1: it so gracefully. Yeah, and she was seventeen years old. 738 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: How old was she? She was? She was young. I 739 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: also think I think Kate Winslett was really young when 740 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 1: she made Titanic could be in Partan, but Kira could 741 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: not be in Titanic. Wait, no, Kira could actually do 742 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: Titanic beautifully. Kate Winslet she turned twenty one while filming 743 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: the movie, and Leo turned two, so they were really young, 744 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: really young. Do you think do you think Kira could 745 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: be in Titanic as Rose? Yeah? No, I mean yes, 746 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: I certainly think that Kira has that sort of I's 747 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: not Kira who. Kira has that like overlay of real 748 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: t with like a like a strength underneath, and she 749 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: could definitely do it. Yeah, that that that kind of um, 750 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: a tenacity, a spunk he has that spunk Rose Rose 751 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: definitely has spunk um And you know, like it's sad like, 752 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,759 Speaker 1: let's not forget that the Jack and Rose meat because 753 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: Rose is about to kill herself. Yeah, she's about to 754 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: jump off the back of the boat and get shredded 755 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,439 Speaker 1: by the propellers. I forgot about that. Very dark Yeah 756 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 1: it is, and that it feels like it feels like 757 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm standing in the middle of a room screaming that 758 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 1: no one here's that's kind of the beginning of the holiday. 759 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: To do you remember when she sticks her head and 760 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: no point, no point. I love that scene. I mean, 761 00:44:46,440 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: been there a girl. Another of my favorite scenes, which 762 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: I did think was really discussing at the time, is 763 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,280 Speaker 1: the scene where Jack teachers Rose has a spit spit 764 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: like a man. Well yeah, I mean, and they really 765 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: like Hakka lugi and then he swallows it. There really is, 766 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: which is kind of hot. Now it is hot. I 767 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: remember it being hot. The movie could not exist without 768 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: gender roles, like the gender in this movie is so strong, 769 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: which I think actually is an appeal to the movie. 770 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,320 Speaker 1: I I really love the hard line that is and 771 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 1: that honestly enforces your teeth for te totally. I mean, 772 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: she's running around like like that scene where she's running 773 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,319 Speaker 1: around the bottom of the ship as it's full full 774 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: of water and she's in a fucking gown, in the gown, 775 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: the gown, but she won't because she's a lady. But 776 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,439 Speaker 1: it's such a gag and she looks so good. And also, 777 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,720 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, like the screen, I think the story wants 778 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: you to see the ways that Kate. You know, Kate's 779 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,880 Speaker 1: character really has a lot more like man tendencies, Like 780 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 1: she has a tenacity, she has that you know, confidence, 781 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 1: she she wants to bring into those spaces. And Leo 782 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: is like very sensitive and like very dreamy and like 783 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: they like that that that that duality, the swappiness and 784 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,760 Speaker 1: the t for tinas she does. She kind of feels 785 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,760 Speaker 1: like the heroine and he feels like the damns the heroine. 786 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 1: He that is so tea all the way. I wonder 787 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 1: like was that intentional or no? No, I mean like 788 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: they're there. But you know, it doesn't matter what movie 789 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: you make, there will be you know, seven hundred term 790 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,839 Speaker 1: papers about why it's queer or why the gender roles 791 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: have been Titanic is. You know, I wouldn't say that 792 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,360 Speaker 1: it's queer. I will say that it's like gay canon 793 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: because of the further surrounding it and how much we 794 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: love it. And you know, some things are so heterosexual 795 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: that they become gay. Yeah, they have to turn back 796 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,439 Speaker 1: around and become gay. And I think that so much 797 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,880 Speaker 1: of the lead up there's a lot of suspended romantic tension, 798 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,959 Speaker 1: and I think that that build up is also very gay. 799 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: There's a lot that comes with the like when are 800 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,759 Speaker 1: they going to kiss? Oh my god, how they're falling 801 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,800 Speaker 1: in love? Oh my god, it's happening, like swept away 802 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,480 Speaker 1: my flying machine, I'm flying Jack? What is I'm flying? 803 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 1: It's the little song he sings to her when they're 804 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,880 Speaker 1: on the on the back on the world. Yeah, okay, 805 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: oh god, that was like so inescapable like that, just 806 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 1: like the culture surrounding Titanic. I remember reading Mad magazine 807 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 1: and it was the whole Titanity magazine. Allowed to read 808 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,719 Speaker 1: that growing up because it's kind of raunchy, right, yeah 809 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: it is. Um well, I would read Nickelodeon magazine, which 810 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: probably had some Titanic stuff in it. I had a 811 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 1: replica Heart of the Ocean, of course he did. And 812 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 1: I was it expensive or when it was cheap, and 813 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: I might still have one because I was Old Rose 814 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 1: for Halloween a couple of years ago. Was one of 815 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: my last successful Halloween costume. Really good Halloween cost thank you. 816 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: I did the old age makeup myself, right, Oh I 817 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 1: love that, by which I mean I just didn't wear makeup. Yeah, 818 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 1: you watched one YouTube tutorial and oh yeah I love that. No, 819 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 1: I know, I did actual old age makeup and that 820 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 1: was I was djaying, So I was like DJ old 821 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: Rose that night. That was fun. I love that we 822 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,319 Speaker 1: need to bring you out of DJ retirement. I've been 823 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 1: advocating for this. I feel like at our next our 824 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,920 Speaker 1: next show really needs to have what was your DJ name? 825 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: Just Rose? It was just Rose, DJ Rose. What was 826 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 1: your vibe as a DJ? Um techno? It was like 827 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: it was like um Berlin's sex party me um uh pop. 828 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,399 Speaker 1: I was going to ask if you played pop. Yeah. 829 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: I played like really trolley remixes of pop songs like 830 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 1: I would like I would play like a sex party 831 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,359 Speaker 1: at a dungeon and not like five Am. I would 832 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,319 Speaker 1: play a remix of come Clean, the Hillary Duff song. 833 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,400 Speaker 1: That's really good. That's a really good yeah. So that 834 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 1: was That was kind of my DJ five I'm sure 835 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,480 Speaker 1: I have a my Heart Will Go On remix somewhere which, 836 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,799 Speaker 1: oh my god, my Heart will go On. We were 837 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: remaking Titanic. Who would do the song? We're thinking, Okay, 838 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 1: we're thinking torch song but mainstream. I feel like Adele 839 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 1: is obvious because mainstream, but like think about it in 840 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 1: the nineties, like Celine Dion was not necessarily at her peak, 841 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,200 Speaker 1: but in the late nineties she wasn't. She was around, 842 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 1: but she well around in the United States and Canada. 843 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,480 Speaker 1: She is the most famous person of that. Okay, so 844 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,400 Speaker 1: actually I do think Adele, you're right. Yeah, to me, 845 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 1: it's getting Dell. But who else? A Delphie is too 846 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 1: obvious because she did the James Bond movie too. She 847 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,400 Speaker 1: didn't a Bond song, Like, who else would it be? 848 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,360 Speaker 1: Like a tor a contemporary Torch song. It's not Phoebe 849 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,279 Speaker 1: Bridgers to all, but she's actually so mainstream now maybe no, 850 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,359 Speaker 1: it wouldn't. Can you imagine Bridgers doing a Titanic song? 851 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,400 Speaker 1: Actually if they? Here's the thing though, is like if 852 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 1: it were made today, it would probably like Jack Antonov 853 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: would like produce the soundtrack, and then it would be 854 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,879 Speaker 1: like all the that's not melodramatic enough. You know. There 855 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 1: was a Titanic musical and I saw it when I 856 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 1: was a kid. Yeah, it was bad. What was it? 857 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,759 Speaker 1: I think that some of the music I think that 858 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 1: it is it is regarded as a good piece of art. 859 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,799 Speaker 1: Maybe I don't. I don't. I think it was kind 860 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 1: of a flop, although it might have won best musical 861 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 1: at the Tony's. I'm not sure and I won't look 862 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 1: it up, but I did see it because, as I said, 863 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: I was obsessed with Titanic and this was like still 864 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,360 Speaker 1: in the years Titanic Mania, and like, I'm still obsessed 865 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: with Titanic. I I'm not saying that my name is 866 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,600 Speaker 1: Rose because of Titanic, but it is certainly a contributing factor. 867 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I would absolutely be rewatching if it was 868 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 1: an hour shorter. I will probably watch it tonight, like 869 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,880 Speaker 1: while I'm repacking for a fire Island. Hopefully, oh my god, 870 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,320 Speaker 1: hopefully the ferry doesn't sink. No, but we should do. 871 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,360 Speaker 1: We should do um King of the World on the 872 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,680 Speaker 1: Fire Island ferry. I'm just imagining us in the middle 873 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,360 Speaker 1: of whatever. I don't know. Harbor is between Sayville and 874 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:37,000 Speaker 1: the Pines on a floating door being like road, and 875 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 1: the water is actually only like six ft deep. Yeah, 876 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,440 Speaker 1: and there's like a twink like drowning and sludge on 877 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 1: the slide. That's like help If the boat sinks, though, 878 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,279 Speaker 1: what are we going to have to float on? I 879 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:53,360 Speaker 1: guess like a case of lacroix. Someone brought a palette 880 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: of of keylime Lacroix. Yeah, but yeah, okay, but if 881 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 1: there's not room enough for both of us on it 882 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:06,640 Speaker 1: on the Lacroix palette, who's surviving. I mean, I feel 883 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,320 Speaker 1: like I have more survivalist instincts than you. No offense, 884 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,520 Speaker 1: Oh so you would push me off and kill me. No, 885 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,239 Speaker 1: that's not what I'm saying. I was just saying I 886 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,520 Speaker 1: have more survivalist instincts. But I do think, yes, you 887 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,720 Speaker 1: would push me off and kill me. Well, the reality 888 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,240 Speaker 1: is that if we did, if we have our ferry 889 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,759 Speaker 1: wrecked between Sayville and and Fire Island, I do think 890 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,960 Speaker 1: you could swim to shore and survive. I think we 891 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,319 Speaker 1: I think we both could could make it to shore. 892 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,040 Speaker 1: I think we both could. I have definitely on Fire 893 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,799 Speaker 1: Island been. There was one time on my birthday where 894 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 1: I was so high on ketamine that I went to 895 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,680 Speaker 1: the ocean and swam out really really far. And then 896 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 1: that's kind of scared. And then realized once I got 897 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,239 Speaker 1: that far out that all my energy is gone and 898 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 1: I did not know how I was going to get 899 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:59,279 Speaker 1: back to shore. And that's so dumb, right, And I 900 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:04,640 Speaker 1: was so high, I was so high, but so stupid. 901 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm just floating in the middle. That's the kind of 902 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,680 Speaker 1: dumb ship I used to do. I was so high 903 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: and I just like I just kind of like gave 904 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,239 Speaker 1: it up to God, and eventually the waves did bring 905 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,680 Speaker 1: me back to shore. Honestly, and honestly, nothing feels better 906 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,960 Speaker 1: than being in the ocean on Kenemine. It is the 907 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,200 Speaker 1: best feeling. I feel like it's so even if both 908 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,359 Speaker 1: of us but not when you think you're about to die. Yeah, 909 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,200 Speaker 1: even if both of us have the kind of um 910 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,759 Speaker 1: ability to swim back to shore. I feel like the 911 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,359 Speaker 1: weight of like all of my toiletries would would would 912 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,560 Speaker 1: sink me to the ocean. Oh so you're still holding 913 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,040 Speaker 1: onto your bags And I mean it's a lot of girl. 914 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:43,440 Speaker 1: The combined cost of my toiletries when I travel hundreds 915 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,920 Speaker 1: and hundreds and hundreds of dollars. Yes, more than the 916 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,880 Speaker 1: heart of the ocean. Is my heart of the ocean. Okay, 917 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 1: It's like you and I did it again video. It's like, um, 918 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 1: I hand you like a like a Tata Harper Boister. 919 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,800 Speaker 1: It's like I thought, the old woman moisturizer alone is 920 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,840 Speaker 1: like a hundred and twenty dollars. It was gifted to 921 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,719 Speaker 1: me Okay, so you should be okay, letting it sink 922 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,759 Speaker 1: to the bottom of the whatever, Sayville Harbor. But I 923 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,560 Speaker 1: think in this scenario we never would imagine. I think 924 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,760 Speaker 1: in that Titanic as well, they never would have imagined 925 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 1: that they would die. They never thought I would draw. 926 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm keeping my phone because it's waterproof, and that's that 927 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,440 Speaker 1: everything else can sin. Phones actually really aren't waterproof. And 928 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,400 Speaker 1: I learned that the hard way in Mexico City. I 929 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,399 Speaker 1: mean not Mexico City, in Mexico when I was there. Um, 930 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,000 Speaker 1: but I mean, I don't know what would weigh you down, 931 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:39,240 Speaker 1: all your skims, um my baggage, not my my metaphor 932 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,840 Speaker 1: emotional baggage, because I'd be like, okay, well if this 933 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,479 Speaker 1: is I mean, this is a way out, So why not? Okay, okay? 934 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,880 Speaker 1: And this is great because you know Joel has already 935 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,640 Speaker 1: you know, laid the ground of the class warfare in 936 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,680 Speaker 1: Fire Islands. So we have that component of the Titanic 937 00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:01,000 Speaker 1: allegory set for us. Um. Yeah, cool. So we're going 938 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,239 Speaker 1: to green light this, Yeah, we are going to I 939 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,480 Speaker 1: hope sell I don't know, free form. No, this podcast 940 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,360 Speaker 1: is coming to you from beyond the grave because we 941 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,719 Speaker 1: will be dying in a boat wreck tomorrow. We have 942 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,319 Speaker 1: plans to off the coast of Fire Island and um, 943 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:26,640 Speaker 1: it's been nice knowing you. Yeah, I love. Next week 944 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,600 Speaker 1: we'll be back for a ribbon in conversation about pop culture. 945 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,720 Speaker 1: And when we say pop we mean literally soda soda 946 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 1: called u pepsi seven up um. Yes, and we'll be 947 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,840 Speaker 1: talking about soda with Cola Scola, so you know. And 948 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,080 Speaker 1: the next week, drink your favorite soda or if you're 949 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,960 Speaker 1: not a soda person, drink some water and drink drink 950 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,640 Speaker 1: some water, bitch like a loser. Yeah, you can leave 951 00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,000 Speaker 1: us a review on Apple podcast It really helps us 952 00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,120 Speaker 1: out a lot. 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