WEBVTT - Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #18

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<v Speaker 1>Colson Media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it could Happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly

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<v Speaker 2>newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling

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<v Speaker 2>world of what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm joined by James Stout and Robert Evans.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, what's up? Everybody? Who's got ed us?

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<v Speaker 2>You everybody, We're giving you ED this episode, we're covering

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<v Speaker 2>the week of May twenty one to May twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a really busy news week for the latter

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<v Speaker 2>half of that week, so we're going to be mostly

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<v Speaker 2>catching up with that. Jesus, and let's start with the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest news from late last week, domestically the shooting of

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<v Speaker 2>two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, DC. The shooting took

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<v Speaker 2>place around nine pm on Wednesday, May twenty first, outside

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<v Speaker 2>of event at the Capitol Jewish Museum. Prior to the shooting,

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<v Speaker 2>the suspect was seen pacing outside of the building. According

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<v Speaker 2>to witnesses and surveillance video, a thirty one year old

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<v Speaker 2>man named Elias Rodriguez approached a group of four people

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<v Speaker 2>leaving the event. As he walked past them, he turned

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<v Speaker 2>to face their backs and shot two people and continued

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<v Speaker 2>to fire as they felt the ground. One of the victims,

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty six year old woman, tried to crawl away

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<v Speaker 2>after being shot. Rodriguez followed her and fired again Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>while he was reloading, She sat up, and then Rodriguez

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<v Speaker 2>shot her several more times before throwing his gun into

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<v Speaker 2>a bush. He ran into the museum after the shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>Security let him in thinking that he was a victim.

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<v Speaker 2>Witnesses say he appeared traumatized and in shock. People from

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<v Speaker 2>the museum event brought him water, and when they asked

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<v Speaker 2>him if he was okay or if he was injured,

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<v Speaker 2>Rodriguez requested the police. When cops arrived, he allegedly admitted

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<v Speaker 2>to shooting, and, according to witnesses, quote, grabbed a red

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<v Speaker 2>cafea out of his pocket and started free Palestine chance

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<v Speaker 2>quote there is only one solution, Antifada revolution unquote. While

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<v Speaker 2>being arrested and taken out of the building, he chanted free,

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<v Speaker 2>Free Palestine. Israel's ambassador to the US claimed that the

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<v Speaker 2>two victims were deliberately targeted as Israeli embassy employees, and

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<v Speaker 2>that Rariguez mingled with attendees at the reception earlier that

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<v Speaker 2>evening before raising suspicion and being asked to leave. Although

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<v Speaker 2>the organization who put on this event, the American Jewish Committee,

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<v Speaker 2>disputes this account. They say that Rodriguez tried to register

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<v Speaker 2>for their event but was denied entry following a background check.

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<v Speaker 2>Rodriguez is a lifelong Chicago resident. He got an English

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<v Speaker 2>degree at the University of Chicago, legally bought a gun

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<v Speaker 2>in Illinois and flew with it to d S the

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<v Speaker 2>night before the shooting. This event was as an American

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish Committee access DC Young Diplomat's Reception. The description for

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<v Speaker 2>the event reads quote, this special event brings together Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>young professionals age twenty two to forty five and the

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<v Speaker 2>DC diplomatic community for an evening dedicated to fostering unity

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<v Speaker 2>and celebrating Jewish heritage. Join us for heavy appetizers, cocktails, conversations,

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<v Speaker 2>and a special guest speaker. We are excited to introduce

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<v Speaker 2>this year's theme, turning Pain into Purpose. Here from members

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<v Speaker 2>of the Multi Faith Alliance and Israel as they delve

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<v Speaker 2>into humanitarian diplomacy and have a coalition of organizations from

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<v Speaker 2>the region and for the Region are working together in

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<v Speaker 2>response to humanitarian crises through the Middle East and North

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<v Speaker 2>Africa regions. The two victims were a young couple, Sarah

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<v Speaker 2>Milgram and Ran Lisinski, twenty six and thirty, who met

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<v Speaker 2>through their work at the embassy. Lisinski identified as a Christian,

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<v Speaker 2>though he was born in Israel and moved to Germany

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<v Speaker 2>as a kid, then returned to Israel and served in

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<v Speaker 2>the IDF. There is an alternative claim that he was

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<v Speaker 2>born in Nuremberg and then moved to Israel as a teenager,

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<v Speaker 2>but most reporting says that he was born in Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>In the aftermath of the shooting, politicians widely condemned this

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<v Speaker 2>as anti Semitic violence. The acting US Attorney said that

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<v Speaker 2>they are investigating the cases a hate crime and an

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<v Speaker 2>act of terrorism. Dan Bongino, Deputy FBI director, said the

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<v Speaker 2>shooting was a quote act of targeted violence. The Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>Foreign Minister and net Yahoo have laid blame at college

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<v Speaker 2>protesters and foreign government officials, including the leaders of France,

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<v Speaker 2>Britain in Canada, accusing them of blood libel for talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Israel's quote supposed genocide and crimes against humanity unquote,

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<v Speaker 2>and calling such rhetoric critical of Israel. Quote unquote incitement.

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<v Speaker 2>Natanyahu said, quote free Palestine is just today's version of

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<v Speaker 2>Hyle Hitler Jesus Christ. They don't want a Palestinian state.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to destroy the Jewish state. They want to

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<v Speaker 2>annihilate all Jewish people who have been in the left

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<v Speaker 2>d of Israel for three thousand, five hundred years.

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<v Speaker 3>This is, obviously, I think, in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of thing net Yahoo has been waiting for,

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<v Speaker 3>and probably the kind of thing that a number of

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<v Speaker 3>folks in that Trump is put in federal law enforcement

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<v Speaker 3>have been waiting for because it provides them with some

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<v Speaker 3>opportunities to continue their push to criminalize student organizing and

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<v Speaker 3>organizing against Israeli war crimes. Right. Like, the argument they

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<v Speaker 3>want to be able to make is that just saying

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<v Speaker 3>free Palestine is an active terrorism, And there was an

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<v Speaker 3>act of terrorism here, right, Like shooting two embassy employees

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<v Speaker 3>for the crimes of their government. Like that is a

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<v Speaker 3>clear act of terrorism. Right. You can feel however you

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<v Speaker 3>want to about it, but like that's the definition of

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<v Speaker 3>what was done. But the things he was chanting were

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<v Speaker 3>not part of the active terrorism. The fact that he

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<v Speaker 3>shot people to death was the active terrorism.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's the murdering people, that's the terrorism.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that is already illegal, by the way, and

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<v Speaker 3>quite heavily, I'll be interested. We don't seem to know

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<v Speaker 3>much about where he got the firearm yet that I've

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<v Speaker 3>come across.

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<v Speaker 2>So he legally purchased it in Illinois.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he bought it in Illinois, which has like fairly

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<v Speaker 3>strict gun laws. Yes, some of the strictest in the US.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's one of those things where there's already quite

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of regulation around everything that he did here.

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<v Speaker 3>But fundamentally, if you're able to buy guns, which you

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<v Speaker 3>are because this, you know, if there's an amendment, there

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<v Speaker 3>will be people who carry out attacks like this. And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really know there certainly didn't seem to be

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<v Speaker 3>outside of this guy's personal chats with his friends, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of evidence that would have set him on anybody's radar.

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<v Speaker 3>He had been at like a PSL Party for Socialism

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<v Speaker 3>and Liberation March in twenty seventeen or something, but like,

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<v Speaker 3>this wasn't a guy who had a history of violence

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<v Speaker 3>or anything like that. And quite frankly, that's just a

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<v Speaker 3>reality of the country that we live in, is that

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<v Speaker 3>when people like this decide to carry out shootings for

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<v Speaker 3>whatever reason, the odds of catching them are extraordinarily low.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very hard to flag for a guy specifically like

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<v Speaker 2>like this because there's a lot of them out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, and most of them don't do shootings.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this active been widely condemned. Like pro Palestine commentators

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<v Speaker 2>have said that this style of like adventurist terrorism does

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to help the Palestine people and in fact only

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<v Speaker 2>hurts them and plays into what like the Israel lobby

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<v Speaker 2>and Natya who have been like wanting to happen for

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<v Speaker 2>a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I think kat Aboukazela, a Parastalian American woman he's running

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<v Speaker 4>for office in Illinois.

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<v Speaker 3>Worked it for media matters for years. Yeah. It does

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of videos. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Anyway, I saw that she'd she had somethink about

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<v Speaker 4>how like, yeah, this was something that evidently should be condemned. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>that is wrong, and it's not advancing the cause of

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<v Speaker 4>Palestinian freedom, Like I think adventurist terrorism is a good

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<v Speaker 4>way to describe it. Geah, just getting pad and by

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<v Speaker 4>people on the internet, which like I don't know people

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<v Speaker 4>engaging with this like from a place it doesn't come

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<v Speaker 4>from like it's bad when random folks get shot killed.

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<v Speaker 2>No, people have have used the horrific genocide as a

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<v Speaker 2>way to like channel their general societal frustration and find

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<v Speaker 2>a way to like just act incredibly hostile like to

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<v Speaker 2>actual Palestinians. Yeah yeah, yeah, who don't share the exact

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<v Speaker 2>same like anti imperialist TM views that they might have. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just permission to abuse people online.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, deeply, like verbally violent and like no psycho shit.

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<v Speaker 2>And this guy engaged in that kind of stuff as

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<v Speaker 2>well as well, as we'll see.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get a little bit into his background. So he

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<v Speaker 2>has a manifesto that he posted on his Twitter account.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's it's Kojent like in terms of it's not

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<v Speaker 3>the ramblings of like a madman or something. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 3>like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It all has an English degree, he knows how to write.

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<v Speaker 2>He has worked as a writer for like almost a decade.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean that in terms of, like

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<v Speaker 3>it's very clear what he's trying to say. There's not

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<v Speaker 3>any evidence here of like a disconnect or whatever. He's

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<v Speaker 3>not doing this because he's blaming Israel for making the

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<v Speaker 3>weather bad or whatever. Right right, yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The manifesto is title to Escalate for Gaza, Bring the

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<v Speaker 2>War Home, and he attempts to explain the rationale behind

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<v Speaker 2>his actions. He starts by discussing the unknown total scale

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<v Speaker 2>of dead Palestinians, writing that quote atrocity is committed by

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<v Speaker 2>Israelis against Palestine, defy description and defy quantification. He writes

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<v Speaker 2>about how, despite protests and shifts in public opinion, the

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<v Speaker 2>US government has continually refused to reign in Israel and

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<v Speaker 2>instead moves to criminalize dissent. He talks about armed action.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote an armed action is not necessarily a military action.

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<v Speaker 2>It usually is not. Usually it is theater and spectacle,

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<v Speaker 2>a quality it shares in many unarmed actions.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote yeah, and I do find you know, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the first things that happened when this attack was carried

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<v Speaker 3>out was people started theorizing that this had been some

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<v Speaker 3>Nazi who was using this to using the propouse and

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<v Speaker 3>cost like camouflage as Nazism. And I don't think that

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<v Speaker 3>the preponderance of evidence suggests that there are two weird things.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them is that this guy's previous Twitter name

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<v Speaker 3>was Habbo eighty eight and he was not born in

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<v Speaker 3>eighty eight obviously whenever you see an eighty eight in

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<v Speaker 3>the Native Curse Millennial. And the other is that the

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<v Speaker 3>bring the war home reference in his manifesto, which is

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<v Speaker 3>basically a reference to something that I believe was Louis Beam,

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<v Speaker 3>who is a neo Nazi organizer, said about trying to

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<v Speaker 3>get Vietnam veterans to essentially bring the war home to

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<v Speaker 3>the United States in order to spark a race war.

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<v Speaker 3>And those two little things are weird. However, the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of this guy's fairly well documented history and background does

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<v Speaker 3>not suggest anything like that, So I don't think that

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<v Speaker 3>that's the credible thing to blame this on. Quite frankly, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go over some of that background in brief.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He also talked about targeting government representatives quote the impunity

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<v Speaker 2>that representatives of our government feel at a bedding, that

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<v Speaker 2>this slaughter should be revealed as an illusion. He then

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<v Speaker 2>tells the story of a man who tried to throw

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara off a boat into the sea.

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<v Speaker 2>He finishes with his thoughts on the quote unquote morality

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<v Speaker 2>of armed demonstration, where he discusses this tendency to dehumanize

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<v Speaker 2>the perpetrators of atrocities, as a method for us to

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<v Speaker 2>cope with the monstrous evil that ordinary humans are capable of.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>This action would have been morally justified taken eleven years

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<v Speaker 2>ago during Protective Edge, around the time I personally became

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<v Speaker 2>acutely aware of our brutal conduct in Palestine. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think to most Americans such an action would have been illegible.

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<v Speaker 2>It would seem insane. I'm glad that today, at least

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<v Speaker 2>there are many Americans for which the action will be

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<v Speaker 2>highly legible and, in some funny way, the only sane

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<v Speaker 2>thing to do unquote. It did find it interesting that

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<v Speaker 2>on December fifth, twenty twenty four, Rodriguez posted on his

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter account that quote eighty percent of the country applauds

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<v Speaker 2>the targeted annihilation of a healthcare insurance EXECUTIVEUOTE. As for

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<v Speaker 2>his political background, Rodriguez identifies as a Maoist, third worldiest yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and believes that the global seuth alone has quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>revolutionary potential. A friend of Rodriguez described his politics to

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<v Speaker 2>journalist KNK Clippenstein like this quote. He was a big

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<v Speaker 2>proponent of the emerging resistance axis of Russia, Iran Hesbula

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<v Speaker 2>Assad Syria.

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<v Speaker 3>How'd that go?

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<v Speaker 2>He seemed pretty vocally in favor of Hamas for years,

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<v Speaker 2>way before twenty twenty three. He'd always hated Israel and

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<v Speaker 2>would call it quote the little Satan unquote.

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<v Speaker 4>For fox sake, they Asad test are in supreme as. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a fucking ab test for someone having shitty politics.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, with the hundreds of thousands of civilians killed by aside.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, Asad who gaffed his own people who murdered

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<v Speaker 4>little children.

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<v Speaker 3>Including thousands and thousands of Palestinians by the way. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but again, you shouldn't expect coherence or particularly well informed

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<v Speaker 3>opinions out of folks.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This His online presence mirrors what I would call like

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<v Speaker 2>the typical like anti imperialist TM poster, where he's there

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<v Speaker 2>is most of his frustration at the Democrats, sometimes at Republicans,

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<v Speaker 2>but mostly yeah, posts about being pro Russia, Iran, Hesbala,

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<v Speaker 2>pro Asade, and particularly the past few years, posting a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of a Palestine right with explicit defense and like

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<v Speaker 2>veneration of Hamas. The same friend that talked to Klippenstein

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<v Speaker 2>and also said quote, it's driving me crazy that people

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<v Speaker 2>are calling it a false flag. This development is shocking,

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<v Speaker 2>but not completely out of character. Yeah, he always had

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<v Speaker 2>strong political convictions. From the sound of the manifesto, he's

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<v Speaker 2>the same as he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Unquote Yeah, and I mean that seems true. Again, we

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<v Speaker 3>still don't have a like, a perfect knowledge of all

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<v Speaker 3>of this guy's you know, online life.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this is just a week away.

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<v Speaker 3>But based on what Kin's posted, based on this interview,

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<v Speaker 3>that makes complete sense. Yeah, right, I like, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have any trouble believing that for a number of reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>No, absolutely, this is this is not a false flag attack.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's conspiratorial nonsense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that's this guy did a thing that

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<v Speaker 3>he's sincerely believed in, and it seems like everything he'd

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<v Speaker 3>been expressing in the year or two leading up to

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<v Speaker 3>doing this, you know, was consistent with what he did now.

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<v Speaker 2>Rodriguez was affiliated with the Chicago PSL Party for socialistm

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<v Speaker 2>in Liberation back in twenty seventeen and spoke to the

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<v Speaker 2>media on their behalf, though he would later regret his

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<v Speaker 2>association with the group, telling friends quote, PSL sucks shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I had just done a misadventure with the

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<v Speaker 2>Freedom Road Socialist Organization rather than the PSL lol YEA.

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<v Speaker 2>Rodriguez remained somewhat politically active in Chicago. In twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>he posted video from a local pro Palestine march on

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<v Speaker 2>his Twitter account. Clippenstein spoke with at least five friends

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<v Speaker 2>of his, who all claimed that they never heard Rodriguez

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<v Speaker 2>express anti Semitic sentiments. Now, one of Arigue's friends gave

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<v Speaker 2>Clippenstein access to a years old private WhatsApp group chat

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<v Speaker 2>that Rodriguez frequently posted in, including up to a day

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<v Speaker 2>before the shooting. Clippenstein says, quote, the messages don't reveal

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<v Speaker 2>any hatred of Jews per se, but they do portray

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<v Speaker 2>an often bitter man who hated all sorts of other things,

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<v Speaker 2>especially Israel and its Warren Gaza unquote. Yeah, and from

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<v Speaker 2>what we conceived of the chats that kind has posted,

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<v Speaker 2>this matches pretty well. A chat member wrote, quote, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>almost surprised you're not anti Semitic elias. It usually goes

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<v Speaker 2>hand in hand with the whole Stalin did nothing wrong, mantra.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and his response to this was like, Stalin ended,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, among other things, Stalin ended the greatest anti

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<v Speaker 3>Semitic state in history, which I've seen his evidence that

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<v Speaker 3>he wasn't pro Stalin. He just supported Stalin, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>defeating the Nazis. But he says like among other things,

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<v Speaker 3>so he clearly got a number of reasons he likes Stalin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, from the exchanges with his friends, this guy's clearly

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<v Speaker 2>like a like a tanky anti imperialist type.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yeah, a million such examples.

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<v Speaker 2>The only time he talked about race explicitly was the

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<v Speaker 2>lambast white people quote. Lol, you probably would have to

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<v Speaker 2>actually genified white people to make this a normal country.

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<v Speaker 2>Like even a very targeted and selective rehabilitation program would

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<v Speaker 2>probably have to lead to the lifetime imprisonments of tens

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<v Speaker 2>of millions of white people.

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<v Speaker 4>The uh, there's a Stalin did nothing really, Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 4>that gay brained type that we were looking for.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and again it's one of those things. We're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about this because there's a bunch of guys who expressed

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<v Speaker 3>similar views. This is the only one who's done as shooting.

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<v Speaker 3>When we talk about this making sense, we're not talking

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<v Speaker 3>about this like as evidence that like, oh, someone who's

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<v Speaker 3>a fucking Tanky type is like is likely to commit

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<v Speaker 3>a mass shooting right, they go hand in hand.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this is the first time of take he's done anything.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the first one of these I've heard of

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<v Speaker 3>in quite quite a long time. Yeah, it's just this guy.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a bunch of people who expressed similar things to

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<v Speaker 3>this guy, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>On October seventh, he celebrated the Hamas attack. Quote. Just

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<v Speaker 2>saw an incredibly gory video of the aftermath of Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>troops trying to get dressed for the ambush, absolutely massacred

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<v Speaker 2>by Hamas fighters. I am ao love checking back in

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<v Speaker 2>with the news every few hours, Like, hmm, I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>if Israel still exists. You don't often get to credibly

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if Israel is over yet today or not?

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<v Speaker 3>Unquote yeah, and again like that just kind of shows

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<v Speaker 3>the general lack of knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>A level of political delusion.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, like a lot of kind of telegram propaganda

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<v Speaker 4>consumption type worldview here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and can convince you that what's happening is different

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<v Speaker 3>from the reality.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In this chat, he lmented to friends and expressed sorrow

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<v Speaker 2>at the deaths of Hamas and has been of leaders

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes his ire was directed at other members of

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<v Speaker 2>this leaked chat. At one point, going on an unhinged

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<v Speaker 2>ablest rant, attacking one of his friends for being privileged

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<v Speaker 2>after they discussed the challenges of having a brother with cazophrenia. Quote,

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<v Speaker 2>why not just have him committed. You can't possibly be

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<v Speaker 2>gaining anything from a relationship with a person like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Just put him in a padded room and forget about him.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>If there was a person you loved, he's gone, now

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<v Speaker 2>let it go. Can you just chain him in the

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<v Speaker 2>basement and slide meals under the door. I'm just tired

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<v Speaker 2>of hearing about this guy. He's useless, we get it,

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<v Speaker 2>Stop complaining and just dispose of him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean this goes with the people who I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know aren't useful to me, are of no value? Right,

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<v Speaker 4>that people don't have inherent value, and you know they

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<v Speaker 4>don't agree with or are useful to him, then fuck them.

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<v Speaker 4>They can die. Like I guess there's some kind of

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<v Speaker 4>coherence there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Robert, you want to mention the something awful?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I do, Garrison. So the other thing that came

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<v Speaker 3>out in Ken's article is that this dude was a

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<v Speaker 3>poster Well. His friends described him as a dedicated poster,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the worst thing you can be described as being,

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<v Speaker 3>and noted that he had been there had been some

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<v Speaker 3>when it came out that like his former Twitter user

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<v Speaker 3>name had been like Habbo eighty eight. That was very

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<v Speaker 3>clearly a reference to a game called Habo Hotel that

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<v Speaker 3>if you're gen z, there's very good odds you don't remember.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was a big thing for people who were

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<v Speaker 3>on four Chan and who were on Something Awful. And

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<v Speaker 3>Something Awful was the website that gave birth to four Chan.

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<v Speaker 3>It's where I was raised on the internet, and many

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<v Speaker 3>many years ago, around the turn of the millennium, I

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<v Speaker 3>think I don't remember the exact year, but we started

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<v Speaker 3>gathering on this game for children. It was like an

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<v Speaker 3>MMO for little kids and like pretending to be members

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<v Speaker 3>of a cult in order to like confuse small children.

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<v Speaker 3>And then four Chan did their own version of that

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<v Speaker 3>that was a bit more racist, which is often the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, many such cases, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Many such cases. Anyway, when this came out, there was

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<v Speaker 3>a debate was this guy a channer or was this

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<v Speaker 3>guy a goon you know, a member of the Something

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<v Speaker 3>Awful forums, And a lot of people thought I called goon.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of people thought Shanner because of his age,

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<v Speaker 3>he was a little bit young to have been a

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<v Speaker 3>part of the something awful have a hotel things. I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's actually likely or he did both. But his

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<v Speaker 3>friends described him as somebody who was really into something awful, right,

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<v Speaker 3>as somebody who had been influenced by that in particularly

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<v Speaker 3>a subset of the something awful forms called FIAD, which

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<v Speaker 3>stands for fuck you and Die, which kind of pioneered

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the most toxic aspects of online discourse.

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<v Speaker 4>Apparently Jesus.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, folks have found at least one of his accounts

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't have a lot of posts, although that doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>mean much because number one, he could have deleted a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of stuff, which many people did when they got older.

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<v Speaker 3>Number Two, he could have had another account, which is

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<v Speaker 3>also the case. The one account that people know was

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<v Speaker 3>his was banned for shooting and killing two him to

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<v Speaker 3>see employees. There's reasons given in the ever lengthening Something

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<v Speaker 3>Awful ban list when somebody gets banned. Obviously, again, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think there's like a positive thing to him being

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<v Speaker 3>like him being on something awful didn't cause him to

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<v Speaker 3>shoot two people, but him being on Something Awful was

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<v Speaker 3>a natural part of the progression that led to him

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<v Speaker 3>being the kind of like toxic online asshole that he was.

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<v Speaker 3>And sort of evidence of that is that one of

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<v Speaker 3>the last things he had done online before the shooting

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<v Speaker 3>was he had gotten briefly onto Blue Sky and then

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<v Speaker 3>gotten in trouble for repeatedly harassing Will Stanzel, who's another

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<v Speaker 3>annoying asshole on the Internet, who was also a Something

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<v Speaker 3>Awful goon who was raised in this same chunk of

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<v Speaker 3>the Internet, and who became a similar kind of asshole,

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<v Speaker 3>just with wildly different politics. And these two hated each other,

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<v Speaker 3>and Elias like threatened to murder him over the internet

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<v Speaker 3>because he's like again that these guys, he's that type

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<v Speaker 3>of guy. He's that type of guy, which doesn't mean again,

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<v Speaker 3>which doesn't mean this is why he did a shooting

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<v Speaker 3>or had anything to do with that, because there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of this type of guy and almost none of

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<v Speaker 3>them commit acts of terrorism. It just like his background

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<v Speaker 3>makes complete sense for the kind of guy that we

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<v Speaker 3>can see that he was online.

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<v Speaker 2>The last thing I'll say about this is that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>beyond this like senseless loss of life, which is like

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<v Speaker 2>an issue in and of itself. Obviously, this also contributes

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<v Speaker 2>to further loss of life in the way this plays

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<v Speaker 2>into like media capture. Right now, we have a whole

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<v Speaker 2>week were the news cycles dominated by two people getting

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<v Speaker 2>murdered in the streets of DC, and this does not

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<v Speaker 2>help the Palestinian people currently being killed by Israel. The

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<v Speaker 2>exact same day that this happened, Wednesday, the twenty first,

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<v Speaker 2>ninety three people were killed in Israeli attacks across the

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza Strip and that type of stuff does not really

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<v Speaker 2>get reported anymore because that's how media capture works. Americans

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<v Speaker 2>are really good at getting desensitized to this in a

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<v Speaker 2>large scale media environment, but stuff like this only serves

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<v Speaker 2>as a distraction and fuels Israel's oone motivation for their

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<v Speaker 2>continued actions.

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<v Speaker 4>Talking of media capture, Garrison, we have been captured by

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<v Speaker 4>the advertisers in this show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true.

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<v Speaker 5>There you go, and we are back.

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<v Speaker 2>Another big news item from last week was the passing

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<v Speaker 2>of the big, beautiful budget bill in the House. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk more about this bill as it turns through the Senate,

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<v Speaker 2>but first our co host Mia Wong has a special

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<v Speaker 2>report on how the bill targets trans healthcare.

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<v Speaker 6>So we're going to talk a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 6>budget bill that's currently working through a bunch of processes

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<v Speaker 6>in the Senate, that's been passed by the House. I

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<v Speaker 6>am Mia Wong, and with me to talk about how

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<v Speaker 6>this budget specifically is unbelievably bad for trans people is

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<v Speaker 6>Maddi Castikin from Mad cast and Mirror Levine from the

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<v Speaker 6>Free Radical. Glad to have both of you to hear.

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<v Speaker 6>You've both been doing a bunch of journalism about this

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<v Speaker 6>stuff specifically and what people can do about it. First,

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<v Speaker 6>can you can you explain what is going on in

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<v Speaker 6>this budget with the ban on trans healthcare using Medicaid?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely So. The budget bill, also known as House Resolution one,

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<v Speaker 7>is this year's reconciliation bill, which is Congress basically deciding

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<v Speaker 7>next year's budget and how they're going to allocate it

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<v Speaker 7>their funds. This time around, Republicans decided it would be

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<v Speaker 7>a great idea to push through. So what it was

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:13.360
<v Speaker 7>at first was a intense limitation on what Medicaid cover,

0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:16.840
<v Speaker 7>essentially just humongous Medicaid cuts. And this is what I

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:19.879
<v Speaker 7>began investigating first. Me and Mattie were talking about it

0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 7>a bunch she's the one who took me off to it.

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 7>They started off by implementing huge cuts to Medicaid that

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:28.240
<v Speaker 7>would result in millions of people losing access to their healthcare,

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.120
<v Speaker 7>not even just trans people. Shortly after they announced these cuts,

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 7>for instance, adapt a group of disabled activists. They are

0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:39.720
<v Speaker 7>famous for being the ones who climbed up the steps

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.680
<v Speaker 7>of the I believe it was the Capital Building in

0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 7>the nineties to raise awareness and help get the American

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:52.160
<v Speaker 7>Disabilities Act passed. They staged a protest on the United

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:57.119
<v Speaker 7>States Capital during a hearing for this bill where Republicans

0:25:57.119 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 7>were just talking about it and praising themselves. Multiple active

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:03.920
<v Speaker 7>got arrested. They're all fine now apparently apparently they weren't

0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 7>treated too bad either, which is good to hear. But

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 7>what ultimately happened is more and more came out, and

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 7>it came revealed that not only would disabled people be affected,

0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 7>but basically every marginalized group for people of course being

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:22.159
<v Speaker 7>what we were focusing on given the beat, but this

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 7>will impact essentially everyone, especially if you're a low income,

0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 7>especially if you are a person of color, you are

0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:34.200
<v Speaker 7>more likely to be impacted just by virtue of this bill,

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 7>and how sweeping it is, and Republicans implemented a ban

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 7>for gender ferming care for minors on it. It was

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:49.199
<v Speaker 7>a very milktoas ban that at the time was projected

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:51.479
<v Speaker 7>to pretty much get overturned in court right away if

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 7>we were to pass.

0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:54.120
<v Speaker 3>They didn't stop there, though.

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 7>They quickly evolved it and they tried to implement it

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 7>into a sweeping ban on gender firming care for all

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 7>ages is on Medicaid and for any health insurance received

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:10.440
<v Speaker 7>through Affordable Care Act marketplaces. And ultimately this led to

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 7>a lot of panic and a lot of people assuming

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.160
<v Speaker 7>that their care is going to be taken away immediately.

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:17.920
<v Speaker 7>That wasn't what's going to happen on the minimum effective

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 7>date that's currently in the bill is twenty twenty seven.

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.639
<v Speaker 7>I'm telling people to prepare if it passes for twenty

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 7>twenty six, because there's a decent change. Republicans will try

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.439
<v Speaker 7>to expedite it. Because it passed through the House, it

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 7>passed through committees in the House, it was sent to

0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:35.640
<v Speaker 7>the Senate, and I think that's what we'll give to Mattie

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 7>to talk about kind of what next steps for that are.

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, so lake Man was saying there's a lot of

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 8>really huge. As bill is tremendous, they could talk for

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 8>hours about it, but focusing on the transparts, there's a

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:52.560
<v Speaker 8>ban on medicaid funding and there's also a ban on

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:56.440
<v Speaker 8>including trans cares and essential health benefit and ACA plans.

0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:00.080
<v Speaker 8>And the thing about both of these provisions is so

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 8>that normally with reconciliation bills, they're supposed to be focused

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:08.639
<v Speaker 8>on budget items, not policy items. So for example, you

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 8>couldn't say, hey, weed is legal everywhere now or something

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 8>like that, or raise the minimum wage, which Democrats tried

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 8>to do in twenty twenty one and they failed because

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:20.920
<v Speaker 8>there are rules regarding how this process works. And so

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.440
<v Speaker 8>what we argued in an article was that there's a

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 8>possibility that, you know, if activists and advocates reach out

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 8>to their senators and advocated to point out that this

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:34.639
<v Speaker 8>part of the bill is completely against those provisions, against

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:38.719
<v Speaker 8>those procedural rules for the Senate Parliamentaria could rule against

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 8>it and basically strike that portion of the bill without

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:44.480
<v Speaker 8>ever even becoming law. And you know, that would stay

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 8>people a lot of stress and anxiety, and you don't

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 8>have to worry about the court battles and what happens

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 8>with Scremetti versus us, which is a Supreme Court case

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 8>that's going to be ruled on on gender firming care soon.

0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 8>So what we've been telling people, and you know, including

0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 8>listeners for your show, is that people really need to

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:02.480
<v Speaker 8>reach out to their senators every single day, email call

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 8>and ask them to vote no on this bill. On

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 8>HR one and it specifically mentioned the trans healthcare aspects.

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 8>And if you want, there's templates online on our website,

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 8>or you can just you know, ask them, Hey, we

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 8>don't think this bill is good.

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:16.960
<v Speaker 3>We don't.

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 8>We want you to challenge specifically the parts that are

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 8>attacking trans people. And I can confirm with you. I

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 8>can't share too much information, but I can confirm with

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 8>you that we are making real, legitimate progress on killing

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:31.479
<v Speaker 8>this provision. And the more people we have calling in

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 8>every single day, the better our odds are. But there's

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 8>still more ways to fight back. And I want Mara

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 8>to pick up on how people can fight back on

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 8>the ground.

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So in addition to reaching out to your senators,

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 7>of course, to that, there's an email template, Mattie wrote

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 7>of a great one. It tells you everything you need

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 7>to do. You can even leave a phone call to

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 7>the script it takes like five minutes. But more long

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 7>term is this is not going to be the only

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:58.240
<v Speaker 7>attack on gender affirming care. It's not going to stop here.

0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 7>This is just the latest attempt that they're trying to do. Ultimately,

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 7>we cannot rely on the government to give us a

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 7>central health care. We cannot rely on the government to

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 7>protect us and give us what we need, because fundamentally,

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 7>the government and the laws that it aims to uphold

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 7>are about protecting the rich, protecting the powerful, protecting the wealthy.

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 7>The law is functionally something that gives police power to

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 7>act as essentially an occupying army on state and to

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 7>persecute anyone who deviates from what those who are disproportionately

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 7>rich and powerful decruity. And we need to start focusing

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 7>on building long term solutions. Everything we can do with

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 7>legislative activism is important, but ultimately it will not save

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 7>us because there will be more attacks down the line,

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 7>and they'll keep coming, and they only need to win once.

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 7>We need to win that every time. But there are

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 7>long term solutions. My beat at this point is essentially

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:59.479
<v Speaker 7>just telling everyone to get plugged into your local mutual

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 7>aid network, get plugged into people doing work on the

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 7>ground in your state, in your area, who are focusing

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 7>on a plethora of different issues. A bit of a

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 7>self plug here, but I wrote an article, for instance,

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 7>last month, where I interviewed a seasoned activist in the

0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 7>Twin Cities who told me just a lot about the

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 7>history of radical practice in the cities, especially in light

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 7>of the George Floyd riots and especially in right of

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 7>corporate pride, rango capitalism, whole nine yards. Recommend reading it.

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 7>It's on the free radical dot org. Check it out.

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 7>But beyond of course my own writing in my own interviews,

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 7>there are so many people doing work that doesn't get

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 7>covered because it either isn't pattalable to mainstream news audiences

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 7>or it isn't seeking coverage for a variety of reasons.

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 7>In every single major city this I can guarantee there

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 7>are people doing work. Most of the time. It's not

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 7>going to be publicly visible, but they are there. I

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 7>would recommend that everyone who is not currently plugged in

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 7>gets started with something that is much more entry level

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 7>and something that is much more like meant to be

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 7>kind of for everyone who may not be willing to

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 7>do more in depth and more treesy type of stuff,

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 7>food not bombs, is the great thing I recommend for

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 7>everyone to check out. Not every city has one, most two,

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 7>every state has one. Beyond that, there are plenty of

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 7>local mutual aid groups in every single locality, and if

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 7>there's not one directly by you, there's probably one in

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 7>your nearest major city. I would specifically recommend I'm a

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 7>bit biased here, but I would recommend focusing on ones

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 7>that are decentralized and non hierarchical, ones that don't revolve

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 7>around centralizing power and placing that power in the hands

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 7>of people who are either good at smooth talking or

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 7>who have a lot of money. Ultimately, the way forward

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 7>for people of all different marginalized groups, not even just

0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 7>trans people. You know on document immigrants, blocking auditions, well

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 7>of color, low income people, disable people, and so forth.

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 7>The way forward is by recognizing that our issues affect

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 7>all of us. Attacks on trans healthcare are not limited there. Inevitably,

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 7>let's say they ban trance healthcare overnight, They're going to

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.080
<v Speaker 7>come for intersex people. Next, They're going to come for

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 7>gay people. Next, they're going to come for everyone. So

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 7>I would just say get involved in your local groups

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 7>and reach out there. Are resources out there. If you

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 7>need some, check out the free radical dot org. I

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:29.600
<v Speaker 7>recommend a ton of them.

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 8>Thank you and yees. Our upside for Matti Metticast is

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 8>m adycast dot com and you can find our templates

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 8>for contacting your senators there. Thank you so much for

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 8>helping yourself and helping your community.

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, thank you so much for that. I want to

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 6>close on I want to read the route a real

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 6>line for fucking Davix manifesto from and or. Remember that

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 6>the frontier of the rebellion is everywhere, and even the

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 6>smallest insurrection pushes our line forward. And one of the

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 6>arguments that can make make sure that I think it's

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 6>just true is that in order to maintain their holds,

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 6>these people have to win one hundred battles across one

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:09.799
<v Speaker 6>hundred fronts, you know. But this means that there are

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 6>so many different things that you can do to resist

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 6>them and to make sure that this fucking budget they're

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 6>trying to pass, to make sure that everyone in this

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 6>country suffers, and specifically that trans people cannot use the

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 6>health insurances that we need, use Medicaid, use Affordable Care

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 6>Act to pay for stuff. This stuff can be resisted

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 6>in so many different ways. You can, as we've talked about,

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 6>you can call your senators, you can yell at them,

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 6>you can make their lives miserable until they agree to

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.960
<v Speaker 6>not do this. And then also you can join your

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 6>local mituway groups, you can join local activist groups. You

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 6>can start, you know, getting a serious organized other ways

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.280
<v Speaker 6>you can. Again, like we've talked a lot about unions

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 6>and the role of unions and trying to struggle on

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:48.759
<v Speaker 6>the show. We've talked of God, We've talked about so

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:50.399
<v Speaker 6>many things. I'm going to do a one second plug

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:52.360
<v Speaker 6>for the episode I wrote last year called you already

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:54.799
<v Speaker 6>know how to organize, because you do already know how

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 6>to organize. And yeah, none of the things that are

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 6>happening here are inevitable. They can be stopped and there

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 6>are so many different ways for you to start stopping them.

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:07.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So we're back and we're talking about Gavin Newsome

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 3>and particularly the intersection of the governor of California and

0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump, which is a lot more shameful than you'd expect.

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 3>So if you remember a little earlier this year, there

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:28.319
<v Speaker 3>was a big brujaha publicly because a California transgender high

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 3>school athlete one at the woman's eight feet triple jump.

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 3>This is an eleventh grade transgender athlete from Urupa Valley

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 3>High School near Riverside, California, and she won the Division

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:44.760
<v Speaker 3>three girls long jump and triple jump and placed seventh

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:48.239
<v Speaker 3>in the high jump at her Southern Section championship a

0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 3>few weeks later. There's going to be I don't think

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:53.319
<v Speaker 3>it's happened yet a championship meet that she qualified for

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 3>as a result of this. And when this happened, it

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:58.120
<v Speaker 3>was immediately left on by the Trump administration and by

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.879
<v Speaker 3>right wing media as evidence of this thing that they've

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 3>been trying to push for forever, which is that trans

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 3>athletes are a threat to women's sports. Right now, this

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:12.720
<v Speaker 3>is something that number one, there's just not a lot

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 3>of And this is also something that like, I think

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 3>something like two thirds of Americans when polled, say that

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 3>they don't feel like trans athletes should be competing with

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:26.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, quote unquote naturally born women in women's sports.

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Right Like, this is a thing that the right has

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 3>built a lot of support for because they have made

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:34.359
<v Speaker 3>this a political issue for so long, and they've been

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:38.759
<v Speaker 3>largely successful in that the State of California and California

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:42.440
<v Speaker 3>lawmakers have been pushing back against this. There have been

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:47.000
<v Speaker 3>state bills in order to allow these girls to continue

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:50.919
<v Speaker 3>to compete, but Gavin Newsom has not expressed the same

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:55.280
<v Speaker 3>degree of support. And this kind of largely came out

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.360
<v Speaker 3>earlier this month when he had a meeting with conservative

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 3>personality Charlie Kirk on his new podcast. As Newsom said,

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 3>Kirk pushed so hard on the topic that Newsom said

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 3>he felt like he had to address it. Here's how

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 3>Newsom characterized it, and then he asked me, tell me

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 3>that's not fair. And I looked at him. I said,

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.960
<v Speaker 3>you're right, that's not And so it wasn't some grand design.

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:16.800
<v Speaker 3>And I know, I know that hurt a lot of people,

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 3>but respectively, I just disagree with those on the other

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 3>side of this. Now, this brought a backlash against Newsom.

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 3>He was attacked for flip flopping because again, like the

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 3>California Democratic Party's position on this has been to defend

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:34.839
<v Speaker 3>trans athletes, but Newsom kind of flipped as soon as

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:37.720
<v Speaker 3>he was in a room with Charlie Kirk. Now, Newsom

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.279
<v Speaker 3>will argue that he also tried to stick up for

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 3>trans athletes to Charlie Kirk to be clear about that,

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 3>this is exactly what he said to Charlie completely fair

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 3>on the issue of fairness. I completely agree. So that's

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.359
<v Speaker 3>easy to call out the unfairness of that. There's also

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 3>a humility and grace that these poor people are more

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.880
<v Speaker 3>likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression, and the

0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:00.320
<v Speaker 3>way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is issue

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 3>that I have a hard time with as well. So

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 3>both things I can hold in my hand. How can

0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:06.360
<v Speaker 3>we address this issue with the kind of decency that

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 3>I think you know is inherent in you but not

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 3>always expressed in the issue. And first of all, there's

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 3>no decency inherent in Charlie Kirk. And second, yeah, there's

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:16.359
<v Speaker 3>also a humility and grace that these poor people are

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:19.160
<v Speaker 3>more likely to commit suicide. What does that? What that mean?

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:20.840
<v Speaker 3>What does that mean? Gavin?

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.799
<v Speaker 4>That's not a sentence? Also, like, just like I made

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 4>my living exercising for most of my twenties, right Like,

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 4>you're a professional athletes done sports?

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 4>Like, and then I've done all kinds of other shit

0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:35.800
<v Speaker 4>where I still got paid to race my bike, right Like? Yeah,

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 4>sports are unfair. It fucking sucks. I coached people who

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 4>worked way.

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Harder than me.

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 4>They trained super hard, they slept well, they ate better. Unfortunately,

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:52.560
<v Speaker 4>for whatever reason, they were not able to get to

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 4>the same level.

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:54.720
<v Speaker 3>That sucks.

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:57.640
<v Speaker 4>But like sport is inherently unfair. The idea that like

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 4>the only difference is like this, like your xx x

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:05.400
<v Speaker 4>y chromosoonality is nonsense. Like, especially in high school sports,

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 4>kids will develop at different times.

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 3>That is unfair.

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 4>Some kids will excel and then other kids will get better.

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 4>The function of high school sports is not to find

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:16.800
<v Speaker 4>who can go like higher, faster, stronger. It's to teach

0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 4>people to play nicely with one another and to communicate

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 4>inclusion and excluding trans kids is completely contrary to that.

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's like, yeah, I think that's a great point, James,

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:32.840
<v Speaker 3>is that, like number one, this is all being entirely

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 3>made about like who places how, which is always going

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 3>to be based largely on things that like people can't control,

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 3>because like people's bodies are different, you know, Yeah, and

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:45.840
<v Speaker 3>they developed differently.

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:47.839
<v Speaker 4>Like there are people who I beat by graces when

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:49.520
<v Speaker 4>I was a kid who have one stages at the

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 4>Tour de France. Yeah, like if our bodies developed differently,

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 4>that's completely normal.

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's this again. The thing that should matter

0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:59.359
<v Speaker 3>here is not treating a community of people hatefully, which

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 3>is the entire of the reason the right has made

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 3>this an issue. It has nothing to do with fairness,

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:05.680
<v Speaker 3>it has nothing to do with sports. It's entirely about

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 3>hurting a group of people.

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:09.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, if these people gave a single shit about women's sports,

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:11.640
<v Speaker 4>said it being there when women weren't getting paid the

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 4>same Did it been there when they didn't get the

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:14.880
<v Speaker 4>same TV covery? Did it there when they didn't get

0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 4>the same price money?

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 3>And they were mostly making fun of women's sports at

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 3>that point in time? Yea. Now, I do think one

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 3>thing that's funny here is that when Newsom was when

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:27.279
<v Speaker 3>people asked, rightly, like when Californian legislators were pushing to

0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 3>protect trans athletes, why didn't you bring up that you

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.680
<v Speaker 3>felt this way? And his answer was, I didn't have

0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 3>a podcast, I wasn't having that conversation. I was out

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:38.360
<v Speaker 3>there on the campaign trail and the big blue bubble,

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:40.320
<v Speaker 3>on the big blue bus and the big blue crowds,

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:43.360
<v Speaker 3>having big blue conversations. And then he went on to

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.280
<v Speaker 3>say that basically the backlash to him agreeing with Charlie

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 3>Kirk on this has convinced him. I always thought the

0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:51.239
<v Speaker 3>right overstated how judgmental my party was, and I'll be

0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:53.520
<v Speaker 3>candid with you, I have a deeper understanding now of

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:56.920
<v Speaker 3>that critique than I ever ever ever understood. It's like,

0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 3>now that people are angry at me, I believe there's

0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:01.799
<v Speaker 3>a problem with my party being judgmental.

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, now that I've faced a consequence of my shit,

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 4>I hate trans people even more.

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it must be so hard to be Gavin Newsome.

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 2>It's gotta be tough and betray your constituents to get

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 2>the approval of a millennial right wing podcaster who goes around.

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 3>Who still hates you touring.

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 2>College campuses to debate seventeen year olds. That must be

0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:25.839
<v Speaker 2>so hard for you.

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 3>It's gotta be tough. Gotta be tough, Gavin.

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 4>He did say in his podcast his kid likes Charlie Kirk,

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 4>not surprisingly. Maybe this is all just a ploy to

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:34.879
<v Speaker 4>be a cool dad.

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not surprised he sucks at being a dad.

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 4>Gavin usedomings you wants to be a cool dad, Emty,

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 4>it's embarrassing.

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Reminds me that Jake Dapper just said his kid's not

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.759
<v Speaker 2>really into politics. He's just into World War two and

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:51.960
<v Speaker 2>gaming great part of World War two.

0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 4>Tapurious, curious many such cases.

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:57.400
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't his kid want to be a cop? Is that

0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Jake Tapper? Yeah, that makes sense. That sounds like Jake

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 3>fucking Tapper's kid. So look. Earlier this week on Tuesday,

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 3>President Trump shared a truth social post, a truth threatening

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:12.960
<v Speaker 3>to yesa he retruthed a post threatening to withhold federal

0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:16.560
<v Speaker 3>funding from California over the participation of this high school

0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:21.799
<v Speaker 3>trans athlete in the upcoming California Interscholastic Federation State Track

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 3>and Field Championships. Right, and he said that, under the

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 3>leadership of radical left Democrat Gavin Nuskum, California continues to

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:32.960
<v Speaker 3>illegally allow men to play in women's sports. The governor

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 3>himself said it is unfair. Trump wrote, first off, the

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 3>fact that Gavin agreed with Charlie INA's podcast did nothing

0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:43.439
<v Speaker 3>to change the rhetoric around him. He's still radical left

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 3>democrat Gavin newscom because you can't make these people unhappy,

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:48.920
<v Speaker 3>because it's not about fairness, it's about hurting people.

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, you can fight this. The governor of Maine has been.

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:55.400
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to talk about Maine. Yes, yeah, so Trump

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:58.239
<v Speaker 3>made this same threat to the state of Maine when

0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:01.800
<v Speaker 3>the governor of Maine refused to stop allowing trans people

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 3>to compete in women's sports, and the administration attempted to

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:09.960
<v Speaker 3>freeze funds intended for a main child nutrition program.

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:12.640
<v Speaker 2>No more food for your kids because woa, no more.

0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:16.400
<v Speaker 3>Food for poor kids because woke. And in response, the

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:18.719
<v Speaker 3>governor made was like, all right, let's fucking go to

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:21.399
<v Speaker 3>the mat. And they filed a lawsuit against the US

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:26.640
<v Speaker 3>Department of Agriculture, and the Trump administration settled, like they

0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.000
<v Speaker 3>they backed down. They agreed to stop freezing the funds

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:34.120
<v Speaker 3>if Maine dropped the lawsuit, right, Like, as soon as

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:38.360
<v Speaker 3>Maine sued, Trump backed down, right and rather than attempting

0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:41.600
<v Speaker 3>to do that even though there's ample evidence that the

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.160
<v Speaker 3>administration backs down. And to be fair, and I think

0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:48.560
<v Speaker 3>against Maine, California's got a lot more weight to throw around. Yeah,

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.880
<v Speaker 3>it's the fifth largest economy on the planet. They have

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 3>some they have some fucking hack behind them, and like

0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 3>news clearly has.

0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:59.480
<v Speaker 4>No moral principle other than advancing his own career in

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:01.279
<v Speaker 4>personal iron wealth right now.

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 3>But like, even if that is the case.

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 4>It's so easy to be like, yeah, I'll fight him

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.239
<v Speaker 4>on this, I'll fight for the trans kids and get

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:09.720
<v Speaker 4>some like resist a points.

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:12.600
<v Speaker 3>But he's just too much of a fucking cow. The

0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 3>first rule of fighting these people is don't give them anything.

0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Don't treat them like people. They're monsters, their scum. You

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 3>fight them every step of the way, right, Like, it

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.359
<v Speaker 3>doesn't matter what you feel about the issue. You never

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:28.319
<v Speaker 3>give pieces a shit like this a win. Yeah. Right,

0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:30.440
<v Speaker 3>that's just not the way you fight them.

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:32.360
<v Speaker 2>This is the problem with people like Evin, who just

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 2>whose entire politics is just chasing the zeitgeist.

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:35.400
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 2>So then when you interpret the zeitgeist as like swinging

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 2>against your previously held progressive DEI woke LGBTQ plus values, Yeah,

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:45.319
<v Speaker 2>then you just go along with that swing and you

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 2>actually don't even care about getting this getting this points

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 2>anymore because you think the culture is going in a

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 2>different direction. Sure, and all you care about is being

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 2>in the cultural zeitgeist. Yeah, you don't actually stand for anything,

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 2>like you're just you're just nothing.

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And everyone can see that as opposed to understanding

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:01.000
<v Speaker 3>what Governor Frey of main nderstands, which is that no,

0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:03.319
<v Speaker 3>you stand there. You accept that the zeitgeist is a

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:06.200
<v Speaker 3>screen door and it's going to bounce off of you

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 3>and back in enough for another direction if you stand

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 3>for something, right, Gavin decided not to stand for something,

0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:17.440
<v Speaker 3>and immediately after Trump made that tweet threatening to withhold

0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:21.320
<v Speaker 3>funds from the state of California, and you know, the

0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:25.799
<v Speaker 3>Department of Education has opened title for investigations in two

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:29.319
<v Speaker 3>leagues that have allowed trans athletes, including CIF, which is

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:32.879
<v Speaker 3>California's high school governing a sports governing body. Right after

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Trump made this most recent truth, the CIF released a

0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:39.480
<v Speaker 3>statement saying that it had made the decision to pilot

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:43.160
<v Speaker 3>an entry process for the championship that's coming up that

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 3>will alter the way they hand out awards. It will

0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:51.440
<v Speaker 3>expand qualification opportunities for biological female student athletes. Is the

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:54.239
<v Speaker 3>exact way that they have phrased this. And basically what

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:57.439
<v Speaker 3>they're going to be doing is giving an award for

0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 3>biological men, biological women, and than trans competitors. Right, so

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:04.880
<v Speaker 3>there will be like three long jump awards.

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:07.720
<v Speaker 2>It's like a segregated scoring field.

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's some I guess you could say it's

0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:14.880
<v Speaker 3>not as awful as trying to ban people. But also

0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:18.359
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of like you're not even taking any kind

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:22.000
<v Speaker 3>of stance here. It's not it's just it's nothing. It's

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:26.520
<v Speaker 3>nothing now. Newsome spokesperson as a Garden says cif proposed

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 3>pilot is a reasonable, respectful way to navigate a complex

0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:32.960
<v Speaker 3>issue without compromising competitive fairness. That governor is encouraged by

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 3>this thoughtful approach. And I should note here this has

0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:41.720
<v Speaker 3>done nothing to actually calm the right or get conservatives

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 3>to back down right.

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Now, because they don't want trans kids competing at all.

0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:47.439
<v Speaker 2>They don't want trans kids in public life.

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:51.200
<v Speaker 3>They don't want tids existing. Yes, and so like the

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:53.360
<v Speaker 3>conservative Californians are still angry.

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:55.840
<v Speaker 2>You can't take them for their word for it. Yeah,

0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:58.520
<v Speaker 2>they don't care about fairness in sports. This is all

0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:02.200
<v Speaker 2>about just eradicating trans genders from public life, like as

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:04.960
<v Speaker 2>as Michael Knowles said at Sea Pack like two years ago,

0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Like that's yeah what they actually care about.

0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:08.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And there's you know, there's been a bunch of

0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:13.600
<v Speaker 3>statements some some Democrats and the legislative LGBTQ cock because

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:15.799
<v Speaker 3>it have been like well, Gavin's you know, otherwise been

0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:19.239
<v Speaker 3>a good ally. You know for LGBTQ people, and I

0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:21.919
<v Speaker 3>don't agree with this is something that an assembly member

0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:25.359
<v Speaker 3>Chris Ward said basically, I don't agree with this particular move.

0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:28.080
<v Speaker 3>But he's been a good ally for a long time.

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Has he though? Has he though?

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:34.280
<v Speaker 4>I mean when it's convenient to him, I guess I prefer.

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:37.799
<v Speaker 3>Caucus member Alex Lee said that Newsom was quote just

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:40.319
<v Speaker 3>commenting on how he personally feels. He mentioned it on

0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:42.799
<v Speaker 3>his dumb podcast. He never intended it to be a

0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:47.040
<v Speaker 3>policy direction. Announced, Hell, yeah, it's a dumb podcast.

0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 4>Yea, yeah, I mean you should be concerned that he

0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:52.360
<v Speaker 4>has a dumb pot cost what he deemed it. I

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 4>just trans people like, yeah, he signed vetos all the time.

0:47:56.200 --> 0:47:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Like again, I found a k c Ira add An

0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:01.880
<v Speaker 3>article on this that quotes Publican assembly Woman Kate Sanchez,

0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 3>who wrote a bill that would have banned trans athletes

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:07.319
<v Speaker 3>from competing in girls high school sports earlier this year.

0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:11.120
<v Speaker 3>This is what she said about cif's rule chains pilot policy.

0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 3>It's incredibly weak. We're angry, We're pissed at this. How

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 3>every day that goes by and no one is protecting

0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:18.240
<v Speaker 3>our girls. This is inexcusable. We need to have something done.

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:20.560
<v Speaker 3>Governor whoson needs to pick aside, do something, do the

0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:23.279
<v Speaker 3>right thing. So again, this gets you nothing with them, right,

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:26.400
<v Speaker 3>it benefits you not at all. There's another quote I

0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:29.040
<v Speaker 3>want to read here from State Senator Scott Weiner, who

0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:31.000
<v Speaker 3>is the leader of the Senate Budget Committee and again

0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 3>a member of the LGBTQ Rights Caucus. Trump is now

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 3>targeting California, just like he targeted Maine. Threatening to withhold

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 3>federal funds of California doesn't follow as I legal edicts

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:43.239
<v Speaker 3>targeting transgender people. California law protects trans people. That won't

0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:45.719
<v Speaker 3>change Main one in court. So will California. There's only

0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:48.640
<v Speaker 3>one answer to a bully No, And as Main Governor

0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 3>Janet Mills said, see you in court. Sorry I got

0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why I said Governor Fray earlier, but anyway,

0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:58.560
<v Speaker 3>the point here is that you have Californian legislators saying

0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:01.600
<v Speaker 3>the right thing, and then you have of fucking Newsome

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 3>being like, no, no, no, actually we're totally going to

0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:06.120
<v Speaker 3>cave and in a way that won't even make the

0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:09.359
<v Speaker 3>Republicans happy. It's just frustrating to me that you do

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:12.600
<v Speaker 3>have Democrats trying to do the right thing here in

0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:16.560
<v Speaker 3>California politics and Newsom absolutely having CIF do a run

0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:20.400
<v Speaker 3>around on them out of pure cowardice. Anyway, that's what

0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:20.840
<v Speaker 3>I got.

0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:21.879
<v Speaker 2>Get him out of there.

0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Get him out of there. Fuck Evin Newsom.

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:26.719
<v Speaker 4>We tried to. That was a recall, but it was

0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 4>not for the right reasons.

0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:30.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the last time we recalled a California governor, it

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:31.800
<v Speaker 3>was a real mixed bag.

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, speaking of a mixed bag, that's right, and we're back. Okay,

0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:49.560
<v Speaker 2>we're back.

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:50.120
<v Speaker 3>We're back.

0:49:50.680 --> 0:49:52.920
<v Speaker 2>James don want to finish us up here, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Do, Garrison, I would like that very much. I want

0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 4>to talk about a couple of things. I'm going to

0:49:57.000 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 4>try and keep this faster and know it's already been

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:02.440
<v Speaker 4>a long episode up with ice agents have been arresting

0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:06.480
<v Speaker 4>people in immigration court around the country and placing them

0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 4>at expedited remove all proceedings. If you want to know

0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 4>more about exactly what they exploited remove all proceedings are

0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:15.080
<v Speaker 4>and how they work, you can go back to our episode,

0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:17.919
<v Speaker 4>which will have aired the day before you hear this,

0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:20.280
<v Speaker 4>and that would explain And I talked to an immigration

0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:22.279
<v Speaker 4>attorney there and explain a little bit more about how

0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:26.560
<v Speaker 4>that works. This includes people whose cases were not dismissed.

0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:29.080
<v Speaker 4>So Previously it was reported that ICE was dismissing cases

0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:31.400
<v Speaker 4>of people who had arrived less than two years ago

0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 4>and placing them under two forty explanited remove all proceedings.

0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:38.640
<v Speaker 4>Apparently they are also detaining other people. I am not

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:42.160
<v Speaker 4>sure how that works. I have not seen any justifications

0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:45.279
<v Speaker 4>for this to give me an explanation for it. I'm

0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:49.120
<v Speaker 4>not sure how much that matters anymore. These people are

0:50:49.120 --> 0:50:52.080
<v Speaker 4>going to have to fight their removal from detention, which

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:55.080
<v Speaker 4>is obviously going to be a pretty unpleasant experience.

0:50:55.160 --> 0:50:56.600
<v Speaker 3>Right. Detention in these.

0:50:56.480 --> 0:51:00.000
<v Speaker 4>In these cour civic or geogroup facilities is pretty bad.

0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:03.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm aware of cases where I misidentified the person being

0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:08.440
<v Speaker 4>detained cuff the wrong person. And I'm aware that there

0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:13.319
<v Speaker 4>are Spectrum Services who are an ICE detention officer provider officers,

0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:16.560
<v Speaker 4>at least outside some of these facilities. I believe also

0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:19.799
<v Speaker 4>inside Spectrum Services. I've noticed been posting a lot of

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:22.960
<v Speaker 4>job adverts recently. This is something I sometimes keep an

0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:25.880
<v Speaker 4>eye on. Right like right before the end of title

0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:30.120
<v Speaker 4>forty two, I saw they were advertising for ICE contractors

0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:35.799
<v Speaker 4>to transport detainees. So this is sometimes a sign that

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:38.759
<v Speaker 4>bad things are a foot in the immigration world. I'm

0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:41.640
<v Speaker 4>guessing in this case it's either this or a plan

0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:45.640
<v Speaker 4>to further expand detention capacity, which also something the Trump

0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:49.000
<v Speaker 4>administration has been talking about. Right, So they also have

0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:52.200
<v Speaker 4>these various subjective orders authorizing more budget and the budget

0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 4>bill or threwting more budget for detaining migrants. Secondly, the

0:51:57.239 --> 0:52:00.680
<v Speaker 4>South Sudan case rope we's covered this last week at

0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 4>ALVSUS Known.

0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:05.200
<v Speaker 3>We also covered it earlier in this week.

0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.880
<v Speaker 4>If you go back to our episode which aired on Wednesday,

0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:09.600
<v Speaker 4>you can hear more about the sort of blow by

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:12.760
<v Speaker 4>blow of timeline of that case. In the South Studian case,

0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:15.880
<v Speaker 4>Trump administration seems to have gone directly to the Supreme

0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:20.920
<v Speaker 4>Court try and get an emergency stay on the injunction,

0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:23.680
<v Speaker 4>which afforded due process rights to the migrants who are

0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 4>currently detained into booty. The administration asked for a stay

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:31.319
<v Speaker 4>of the court's injunction. The courts injunction had given them

0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:35.200
<v Speaker 4>ten days to assert their reasonable fear of torture and

0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:38.040
<v Speaker 4>then a further fifteen days to ask to reopen their

0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:41.840
<v Speaker 4>case if the Department of Home Land Security determined that

0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:45.760
<v Speaker 4>fear not to be credible. Justice Supreme Court Justice Jackson

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:49.160
<v Speaker 4>has given the plentiffs a week to respond to the

0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:53.160
<v Speaker 4>United States the DOJ's call for a stay right, So

0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:57.080
<v Speaker 4>in practices, people will still have that ten days from

0:52:57.080 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 4>the injunction to make their play that they have a

0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:03.520
<v Speaker 4>fear of torture. Right. South Sudan has said that if

0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:06.359
<v Speaker 4>these people aren't South Sudanese, it will just return them

0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:10.360
<v Speaker 4>to their country of citizenship. So if the United States

0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:12.800
<v Speaker 4>can't return them there because they have a fear of torture,

0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:15.880
<v Speaker 4>it just seems like the whole South Sudan thing is

0:53:15.920 --> 0:53:19.319
<v Speaker 4>just an end run around the Convention against Torture right

0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:21.359
<v Speaker 4>there their obligation not to return people to places where

0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 4>they will be tortured. Talking of returning people to places

0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:29.839
<v Speaker 4>where they will be tortured. Unfortunately, the Trump administration has

0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:34.000
<v Speaker 4>deported twenty people to Mianma. This is according to reporting

0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:36.719
<v Speaker 4>in Meanma Now. I've also written about it on my

0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:40.200
<v Speaker 4>page Patreon page. I've linked both of those in the

0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:42.120
<v Speaker 4>show notes. But it should be noted that me and

0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:45.000
<v Speaker 4>I Now broke the story and it's getting very little

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:49.239
<v Speaker 4>coverage in the United States. I can speculate as to

0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:51.840
<v Speaker 4>why that you probably don't need to hear me to

0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:53.600
<v Speaker 4>sort of join the dots there.

0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:55.160
<v Speaker 3>This is atrocious.

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.719
<v Speaker 4>Robert and I have both spoken to people with extensive

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:03.359
<v Speaker 4>experience of detention in me m Aar, and like, when

0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:05.279
<v Speaker 4>we talk about the worst attention conditions in the world,

0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:06.920
<v Speaker 4>we get to a point where it doesn't really make

0:54:06.960 --> 0:54:09.000
<v Speaker 4>any sense for us to say, like a is worse in.

0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Right, right, that this is worse than Sednaia or whatever.

0:54:11.920 --> 0:54:14.840
<v Speaker 3>But it's on like the level which was Assad's torture

0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:16.280
<v Speaker 3>prison and Syria as.

0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:20.160
<v Speaker 4>Sads butchery for human beings.

0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:20.800
<v Speaker 3>Like we're talking about that level.

0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:23.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like I mean things that I have heard. People

0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:26.680
<v Speaker 4>have been electrocuted to death. People are water boarded, people

0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:31.520
<v Speaker 4>have acid poured in their mouths. Bodies are found without organs,

0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:36.000
<v Speaker 4>people are beaten to such an extent that their entire

0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:40.720
<v Speaker 4>bodies are covered with bruises and contusions. Many times people

0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:43.440
<v Speaker 4>will only know that their family member is detained when

0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:45.239
<v Speaker 4>they disappear, and then a few days later they get

0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:48.680
<v Speaker 4>a call telling them to pick up the body. Conditions

0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:54.480
<v Speaker 4>in Burmese hunted attention facilities are atrocious. These people are

0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:59.120
<v Speaker 4>currently being held at the on Tarpi Interrogation Center. It

0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.160
<v Speaker 4>appears at seven, one of the earliest, but this has

0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:03.520
<v Speaker 4>been happening since March. It appears that somebody these people

0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:07.160
<v Speaker 4>have been released. The rest are being held by SAC.

0:55:07.440 --> 0:55:11.520
<v Speaker 4>That's the Burmese hunter of military intelligence units, who will

0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 4>almost certainly torture them. Me and MA does have a

0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:19.160
<v Speaker 4>temporary protected status, but I think I've seen a couple

0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:20.840
<v Speaker 4>of posts about this, so I just want to clarify

0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:23.880
<v Speaker 4>the TPS doesn't apply to people who entered after the

0:55:23.920 --> 0:55:27.960
<v Speaker 4>TPS was granted, or to people who have committed certain crimes.

0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:30.480
<v Speaker 4>We know that at least one of the men they

0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:34.640
<v Speaker 4>returned had been convicted of a crime. Not all of

0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:37.319
<v Speaker 4>these crimes are like particularly HENUS felonies. Right, you can

0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:40.200
<v Speaker 4>do a certain number of misdemeanors and also be deported

0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:43.799
<v Speaker 4>under a TPS. But I'm trying to find out who

0:55:43.840 --> 0:55:46.799
<v Speaker 4>these people are. I know that you can't download our

0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:50.080
<v Speaker 4>podcast in Meanma, which is a huge dub for us.

0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:53.200
<v Speaker 4>But you know, I know a lot of Burmese people

0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:55.720
<v Speaker 4>do listen, so you know, if you have an particular

0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:58.080
<v Speaker 4>insight into this, you could reach out to us. We'll

0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.640
<v Speaker 4>drop the email addressing a little bit here it does

0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:02.680
<v Speaker 4>seem very unlikely that these people were given a chance

0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:05.400
<v Speaker 4>to make a claim of fear of torture, right, because

0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:08.120
<v Speaker 4>it would be a very easy claim to make, given

0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:13.040
<v Speaker 4>every major human rights organization on the planet has documented

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:16.120
<v Speaker 4>torture of detainees in Meanma. I was just reading a

0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:19.800
<v Speaker 4>report this morning about harassment of trans women in prisons

0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:23.720
<v Speaker 4>in Myanmar. But the same thing goes for CIS folks,

0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:26.239
<v Speaker 4>for straight folks, for everyone, right, no one, No one

0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:28.320
<v Speaker 4>comes out of there the same they went in. Yeah,

0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:30.239
<v Speaker 4>I can't believe that these people were given a chance

0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:32.560
<v Speaker 4>to claim a credible fear because it would have been

0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:35.240
<v Speaker 4>such an easy claim to make, yep, And they wouldn't

0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:38.399
<v Speaker 4>have been returned there. So yeah, I wish the story

0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:41.040
<v Speaker 4>was getting more reporting. I wish more people in the

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:43.399
<v Speaker 4>media in this country cared about me and Maa. But

0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:46.640
<v Speaker 4>that's a drama I have been beating for four years now,

0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:49.000
<v Speaker 4>and I don't think she's going to change anytime soon.

0:56:49.440 --> 0:56:51.600
<v Speaker 4>So I guess all there is to say is that

0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:54.879
<v Speaker 4>I really appreciate those of you who do, especially those

0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:57.560
<v Speaker 4>of you who listen to the show and take an

0:56:57.600 --> 0:57:01.439
<v Speaker 4>interest in all things Meanma. But yeah, if these people

0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:03.360
<v Speaker 4>have been returned to a country that the US press

0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 4>was more familiar with, there'd be a lot more noise

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:07.680
<v Speaker 4>about this, but this is absolutely unconscionable.

0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:10.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, these people will be tortured. It would not shock

0:57:10.640 --> 0:57:11.799
<v Speaker 4>me if some of these people died.

0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:14.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, now, this is I mean, there have been cases

0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:17.120
<v Speaker 3>so far. I think at least seven of the people

0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:19.600
<v Speaker 3>that have been sent over previously in the last year

0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:22.480
<v Speaker 3>or so by the US have been released from this prison.

0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:25.680
<v Speaker 3>So it's not unnecessarily a death sentence, but for a

0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:28.760
<v Speaker 3>good number of them it will be, right, Yeah, especially

0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:32.520
<v Speaker 3>since there are also Rowhinga people who will be deported

0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:36.000
<v Speaker 3>in the near future and presumably directly back to the

0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:36.560
<v Speaker 3>same place.

0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:40.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean it's documented that people deported from Thailand

0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:43.600
<v Speaker 4>are immediately conscripted and yeah, sent me to the military. Right,

0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:46.720
<v Speaker 4>So if they get out of prison, there's a good

0:57:46.800 --> 0:57:49.680
<v Speaker 4>chance that, especially if they're men, that they will be

0:57:50.560 --> 0:57:53.400
<v Speaker 4>Women do get conscripted too in Meanmar, but there's a

0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:56.160
<v Speaker 4>good chance with that will happen too. They've been conscripting

0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:58.720
<v Speaker 4>a lot of o Hinga people. So yeah, the outcomes of

0:57:58.760 --> 0:58:01.880
<v Speaker 4>this will be very poor and U Yeah, the only

0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.480
<v Speaker 4>way torture stops in Burma. Is is when the revolution

0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:07.160
<v Speaker 4>succeeds and liberates to Britains. Like that, there is no

0:58:07.960 --> 0:58:12.280
<v Speaker 4>reasoning with the Burmese hunter. Yep, it's about all I got.

0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:13.680
<v Speaker 4>It's pretty fucked like.

0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:20.280
<v Speaker 3>Speaking of fucked, let's listen to the tariffs song. There's

0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:22.640
<v Speaker 3>no terriffs this week now, fuck it. Well, let's just

0:58:22.720 --> 0:58:24.480
<v Speaker 3>listen to it and then have the end of the episode.

0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:26.640
<v Speaker 3>Just gets a nice song. Let's just listen to it now.

0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:28.280
<v Speaker 2>We don't have time to listen to it. This is

0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:29.120
<v Speaker 2>the end of the episode.

0:58:29.240 --> 0:58:32.040
<v Speaker 3>Wow, Garrison took it away from you and complained to

0:58:32.080 --> 0:58:33.200
<v Speaker 3>them online.

0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:37.160
<v Speaker 4>The constant agist attacks on the Clash have not stopped.

0:58:37.560 --> 0:58:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, fellas, all that money for nothing?

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