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Speaker 1: Colson Media.

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Speaker 2: This is it could Happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling

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Speaker 2: world of what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today.

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by James Stout and Robert Evans.

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Speaker 3: Hello, what's up? Everybody? Who's got ed us?

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Speaker 2: You everybody, We're giving you ED this episode, we're covering

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Speaker 2: the week of May twenty one to May twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: It was a really busy news week for the latter

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Speaker 2: half of that week, so we're going to be mostly

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Speaker 2: catching up with that. Jesus, and let's start with the

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Speaker 2: biggest news from late last week, domestically the shooting of

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Speaker 2: two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, DC. The shooting took

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Speaker 2: place around nine pm on Wednesday, May twenty first, outside

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Speaker 2: of event at the Capitol Jewish Museum. Prior to the shooting,

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Speaker 2: the suspect was seen pacing outside of the building. According

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Speaker 2: to witnesses and surveillance video, a thirty one year old

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Speaker 2: man named Elias Rodriguez approached a group of four people

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Speaker 2: leaving the event. As he walked past them, he turned

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Speaker 2: to face their backs and shot two people and continued

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Speaker 2: to fire as they felt the ground. One of the victims,

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Speaker 2: a twenty six year old woman, tried to crawl away

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Speaker 2: after being shot. Rodriguez followed her and fired again Jesus

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Speaker 2: while he was reloading, She sat up, and then Rodriguez

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Speaker 2: shot her several more times before throwing his gun into

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Speaker 2: a bush. He ran into the museum after the shooting.

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Speaker 2: Security let him in thinking that he was a victim.

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Speaker 2: Witnesses say he appeared traumatized and in shock. People from

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Speaker 2: the museum event brought him water, and when they asked

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Speaker 2: him if he was okay or if he was injured,

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Speaker 2: Rodriguez requested the police. When cops arrived, he allegedly admitted

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Speaker 2: to shooting, and, according to witnesses, quote, grabbed a red

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Speaker 2: cafea out of his pocket and started free Palestine chance

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Speaker 2: quote there is only one solution, Antifada revolution unquote. While

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Speaker 2: being arrested and taken out of the building, he chanted free,

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Speaker 2: Free Palestine. Israel's ambassador to the US claimed that the

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Speaker 2: two victims were deliberately targeted as Israeli embassy employees, and

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Speaker 2: that Rariguez mingled with attendees at the reception earlier that

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Speaker 2: evening before raising suspicion and being asked to leave. Although

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Speaker 2: the organization who put on this event, the American Jewish Committee,

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Speaker 2: disputes this account. They say that Rodriguez tried to register

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Speaker 2: for their event but was denied entry following a background check.

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Speaker 2: Rodriguez is a lifelong Chicago resident. He got an English

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Speaker 2: degree at the University of Chicago, legally bought a gun

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Speaker 2: in Illinois and flew with it to d S the

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Speaker 2: night before the shooting. This event was as an American

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Speaker 2: Jewish Committee access DC Young Diplomat's Reception. The description for

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Speaker 2: the event reads quote, this special event brings together Jewish

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Speaker 2: young professionals age twenty two to forty five and the

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Speaker 2: DC diplomatic community for an evening dedicated to fostering unity

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Speaker 2: and celebrating Jewish heritage. Join us for heavy appetizers, cocktails, conversations,

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Speaker 2: and a special guest speaker. We are excited to introduce

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Speaker 2: this year's theme, turning Pain into Purpose. Here from members

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Speaker 2: of the Multi Faith Alliance and Israel as they delve

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Speaker 2: into humanitarian diplomacy and have a coalition of organizations from

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Speaker 2: the region and for the Region are working together in

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Speaker 2: response to humanitarian crises through the Middle East and North

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Speaker 2: Africa regions. The two victims were a young couple, Sarah

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Speaker 2: Milgram and Ran Lisinski, twenty six and thirty, who met

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Speaker 2: through their work at the embassy. Lisinski identified as a Christian,

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Speaker 2: though he was born in Israel and moved to Germany

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Speaker 2: as a kid, then returned to Israel and served in

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Speaker 2: the IDF. There is an alternative claim that he was

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Speaker 2: born in Nuremberg and then moved to Israel as a teenager,

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Speaker 2: but most reporting says that he was born in Israel.

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Speaker 2: In the aftermath of the shooting, politicians widely condemned this

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Speaker 2: as anti Semitic violence. The acting US Attorney said that

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Speaker 2: they are investigating the cases a hate crime and an

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Speaker 2: act of terrorism. Dan Bongino, Deputy FBI director, said the

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Speaker 2: shooting was a quote act of targeted violence. The Israeli

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Speaker 2: Foreign Minister and net Yahoo have laid blame at college

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Speaker 2: protesters and foreign government officials, including the leaders of France,

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Speaker 2: Britain in Canada, accusing them of blood libel for talking

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Speaker 2: about Israel's quote supposed genocide and crimes against humanity unquote,

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Speaker 2: and calling such rhetoric critical of Israel. Quote unquote incitement.

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Speaker 2: Natanyahu said, quote free Palestine is just today's version of

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Speaker 2: Hyle Hitler Jesus Christ. They don't want a Palestinian state.

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Speaker 2: They want to destroy the Jewish state. They want to

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Speaker 2: annihilate all Jewish people who have been in the left

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Speaker 3: This is, obviously, I think, in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 3: have been waiting for because it provides them with some

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Speaker 3: opportunities to continue their push to criminalize student organizing and

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Speaker 3: organizing against Israeli war crimes. Right. Like, the argument they

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Speaker 3: free Palestine is an active terrorism, And there was an

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Speaker 3: act of terrorism here, right, Like shooting two embassy employees

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Speaker 3: for the crimes of their government. Like that is a

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Speaker 3: clear act of terrorism. Right. You can feel however you

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Speaker 3: want to about it, but like that's the definition of

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Speaker 3: what was done. But the things he was chanting were

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Speaker 3: not part of the active terrorism. The fact that he

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Speaker 3: shot people to death was the active terrorism.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the murdering people, that's the terrorism.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is already illegal, by the way, and

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Speaker 3: quite heavily, I'll be interested. We don't seem to know

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Speaker 2: So he legally purchased it in Illinois.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he bought it in Illinois, which has like fairly

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Speaker 3: strict gun laws. Yes, some of the strictest in the US.

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Speaker 3: So it's one of those things where there's already quite

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Speaker 3: a bit of regulation around everything that he did here.

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Speaker 3: But fundamentally, if you're able to buy guns, which you

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Speaker 3: are because this, you know, if there's an amendment, there

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Speaker 3: will be people who carry out attacks like this. And

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Speaker 3: I don't really know there certainly didn't seem to be

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Speaker 3: outside of this guy's personal chats with his friends, a

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Speaker 3: He had been at like a PSL Party for Socialism

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Speaker 3: and Liberation March in twenty seventeen or something, but like,

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Speaker 3: this wasn't a guy who had a history of violence

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Speaker 3: or anything like that. And quite frankly, that's just a

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Speaker 3: reality of the country that we live in, is that

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Speaker 3: when people like this decide to carry out shootings for

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Speaker 3: whatever reason, the odds of catching them are extraordinarily low.

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Speaker 2: It's very hard to flag for a guy specifically like

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and most of them don't do shootings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this active been widely condemned. Like pro Palestine commentators

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Speaker 2: have said that this style of like adventurist terrorism does

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Speaker 2: nothing to help the Palestine people and in fact only

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Speaker 2: hurts them and plays into what like the Israel lobby

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Speaker 2: and Natya who have been like wanting to happen for

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think kat Aboukazela, a Parastalian American woman he's running

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Speaker 4: for office in Illinois.

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Speaker 3: Worked it for media matters for years. Yeah. It does

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Anyway, I saw that she'd she had somethink about

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Speaker 4: how like, yeah, this was something that evidently should be condemned. Right,

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Speaker 4: that is wrong, and it's not advancing the cause of

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Speaker 4: Palestinian freedom, Like I think adventurist terrorism is a good

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Speaker 4: way to describe it. Geah, just getting pad and by

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Speaker 4: people on the internet, which like I don't know people

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Speaker 4: engaging with this like from a place it doesn't come

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Speaker 4: from like it's bad when random folks get shot killed.

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Speaker 2: No, people have have used the horrific genocide as a

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Speaker 2: way to like channel their general societal frustration and find

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Speaker 2: same like anti imperialist TM views that they might have. Right,

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Speaker 2: it's just permission to abuse people online.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, deeply, like verbally violent and like no psycho shit.

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Speaker 2: And this guy engaged in that kind of stuff as

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Speaker 2: well as well, as we'll see.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Let's get a little bit into his background. So he

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Speaker 2: has a manifesto that he posted on his Twitter account.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's Kojent like in terms of it's not

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Speaker 3: the ramblings of like a madman or something. There's nothing

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Speaker 2: It all has an English degree, he knows how to write.

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Speaker 2: He has worked as a writer for like almost a decade.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean that in terms of, like

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Speaker 3: it's very clear what he's trying to say. There's not

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Speaker 2: The manifesto is title to Escalate for Gaza, Bring the

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Speaker 2: his actions. He starts by discussing the unknown total scale

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Speaker 2: of dead Palestinians, writing that quote atrocity is committed by

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Speaker 2: instead moves to criminalize dissent. He talks about armed action.

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Speaker 2: Quote an armed action is not necessarily a military action.

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Speaker 2: It usually is not. Usually it is theater and spectacle,

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Speaker 3: Quote yeah, and I do find you know, one of

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Speaker 3: the first things that happened when this attack was carried

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Speaker 3: the preponderance of evidence suggests that there are two weird things.

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Speaker 3: One of them is that this guy's previous Twitter name

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Speaker 3: basically a reference to something that I believe was Louis Beam,

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Speaker 3: the United States in order to spark a race war.

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Speaker 3: And those two little things are weird. However, the rest

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Speaker 3: of this guy's fairly well documented history and background does

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Speaker 3: not suggest anything like that, So I don't think that

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Speaker 3: that's the credible thing to blame this on. Quite frankly, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'll go over some of that background in brief.

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Speaker 2: He also talked about targeting government representatives quote the impunity

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Speaker 2: that representatives of our government feel at a bedding, that

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Speaker 2: this slaughter should be revealed as an illusion. He then

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Speaker 2: tells the story of a man who tried to throw

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Speaker 2: Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara off a boat into the sea.

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Speaker 2: He finishes with his thoughts on the quote unquote morality

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Speaker 2: of armed demonstration, where he discusses this tendency to dehumanize

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Speaker 2: the perpetrators of atrocities, as a method for us to

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Speaker 2: cope with the monstrous evil that ordinary humans are capable of.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 2: This action would have been morally justified taken eleven years

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Speaker 2: ago during Protective Edge, around the time I personally became

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Speaker 2: acutely aware of our brutal conduct in Palestine. But I

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Speaker 2: think to most Americans such an action would have been illegible.

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Speaker 2: It would seem insane. I'm glad that today, at least

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Speaker 2: there are many Americans for which the action will be

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Speaker 2: thing to do unquote. It did find it interesting that

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Speaker 2: on December fifth, twenty twenty four, Rodriguez posted on his

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Speaker 2: the targeted annihilation of a healthcare insurance EXECUTIVEUOTE. As for

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Speaker 2: his political background, Rodriguez identifies as a Maoist, third worldiest yeah,

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Speaker 3: How'd that go?

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Speaker 2: He seemed pretty vocally in favor of Hamas for years,

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Speaker 4: For fox sake, they Asad test are in supreme as. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: This His online presence mirrors what I would call like

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Speaker 3: Unquote Yeah, and I mean that seems true. Again, we

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Speaker 2: No, this is just a week away.

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Speaker 3: But based on what Kin's posted, based on this interview,

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, this is this is not a false flag attack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's this guy did a thing that

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Speaker 2: Rodriguez was affiliated with the Chicago PSL Party for socialistm

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Speaker 2: Rodriguez remained somewhat politically active in Chicago. In twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and his response to this was like, Stalin ended,

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, a million such examples.

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Speaker 3: Well, and again it's one of those things. We're talking

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Speaker 2: No, this is the first time of take he's done anything.

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Speaker 3: This is the first one of these I've heard of

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Speaker 2: On October seventh, he celebrated the Hamas attack. Quote. Just

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Speaker 3: Unquote yeah, and again like that just kind of shows

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Speaker 3: Yes, and can convince you that what's happening is different

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Speaker 2: If there was a person you loved, he's gone, now

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Speaker 2: Stop complaining and just dispose of him.

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Speaker 2: Well, Robert, you want to mention the something awful?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do, Garrison. So the other thing that came

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Speaker 2: The last thing I'll say about this is that you know,

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Speaker 4: Talking of media capture, Garrison, we have been captured by

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Speaker 4: the advertisers in this show.

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Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 2: Another big news item from last week was the passing

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Speaker 2: of the big, beautiful budget bill in the House. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk more about this bill as it turns through the Senate,

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Speaker 2: but first our co host Mia Wong has a special

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Speaker 2: report on how the bill targets trans healthcare.

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Speaker 6: So we're going to talk a little bit about the

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Speaker 6: budget bill that's currently working through a bunch of processes

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Speaker 6: in the Senate, that's been passed by the House. I

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Speaker 6: am Mia Wong, and with me to talk about how

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Speaker 6: this budget specifically is unbelievably bad for trans people is

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Speaker 6: Maddi Castikin from Mad cast and Mirror Levine from the

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Speaker 6: Free Radical. Glad to have both of you to hear.

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Speaker 6: You've both been doing a bunch of journalism about this

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Speaker 6: stuff specifically and what people can do about it. First,

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Speaker 6: can you can you explain what is going on in

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Speaker 6: this budget with the ban on trans healthcare using Medicaid?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely So. The budget bill, also known as House Resolution one,

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Speaker 7: is this year's reconciliation bill, which is Congress basically deciding

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Speaker 7: next year's budget and how they're going to allocate it

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Speaker 7: their funds. This time around, Republicans decided it would be

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Speaker 7: a great idea to push through. So what it was

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Speaker 7: at first was a intense limitation on what Medicaid cover,

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Speaker 7: essentially just humongous Medicaid cuts. And this is what I

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Speaker 7: began investigating first. Me and Mattie were talking about it

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Speaker 7: a bunch she's the one who took me off to it.

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Speaker 7: They started off by implementing huge cuts to Medicaid that

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Speaker 7: would result in millions of people losing access to their healthcare,

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Speaker 7: not even just trans people. Shortly after they announced these cuts,

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Speaker 7: for instance, adapt a group of disabled activists. They are

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Speaker 7: famous for being the ones who climbed up the steps

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Speaker 7: of the I believe it was the Capital Building in

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Speaker 7: the nineties to raise awareness and help get the American

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Speaker 7: Disabilities Act passed. They staged a protest on the United

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Speaker 7: States Capital during a hearing for this bill where Republicans

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Speaker 7: were just talking about it and praising themselves. Multiple active

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Speaker 7: got arrested. They're all fine now apparently apparently they weren't

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Speaker 7: treated too bad either, which is good to hear. But

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Speaker 7: what ultimately happened is more and more came out, and

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Speaker 7: it came revealed that not only would disabled people be affected,

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Speaker 7: but basically every marginalized group for people of course being

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Speaker 7: what we were focusing on given the beat, but this

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Speaker 7: will impact essentially everyone, especially if you're a low income,

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Speaker 7: especially if you are a person of color, you are

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Speaker 7: more likely to be impacted just by virtue of this bill,

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Speaker 7: and how sweeping it is, and Republicans implemented a ban

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Speaker 7: for gender ferming care for minors on it. It was

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Speaker 7: a very milktoas ban that at the time was projected

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Speaker 7: to pretty much get overturned in court right away if

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Speaker 7: we were to pass.

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Speaker 3: They didn't stop there, though.

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Speaker 7: They quickly evolved it and they tried to implement it

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Speaker 7: into a sweeping ban on gender firming care for all

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Speaker 7: ages is on Medicaid and for any health insurance received

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Speaker 7: through Affordable Care Act marketplaces. And ultimately this led to

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Speaker 7: a lot of panic and a lot of people assuming

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Speaker 7: that their care is going to be taken away immediately.

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Speaker 7: That wasn't what's going to happen on the minimum effective

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Speaker 7: date that's currently in the bill is twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 7: I'm telling people to prepare if it passes for twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty six, because there's a decent change. Republicans will try

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Speaker 7: to expedite it. Because it passed through the House, it

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Speaker 7: passed through committees in the House, it was sent to

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Speaker 7: the Senate, and I think that's what we'll give to Mattie

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Speaker 7: to talk about kind of what next steps for that are.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so lake Man was saying there's a lot of

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Speaker 8: really huge. As bill is tremendous, they could talk for

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Speaker 8: hours about it, but focusing on the transparts, there's a

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Speaker 8: ban on medicaid funding and there's also a ban on

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Speaker 8: including trans cares and essential health benefit and ACA plans.

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Speaker 8: And the thing about both of these provisions is so

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Speaker 8: that normally with reconciliation bills, they're supposed to be focused

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Speaker 8: on budget items, not policy items. So for example, you

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Speaker 8: couldn't say, hey, weed is legal everywhere now or something

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Speaker 8: like that, or raise the minimum wage, which Democrats tried

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Speaker 8: to do in twenty twenty one and they failed because

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Speaker 8: there are rules regarding how this process works. And so

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Speaker 8: what we argued in an article was that there's a

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Speaker 8: possibility that, you know, if activists and advocates reach out

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Speaker 8: to their senators and advocated to point out that this

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Speaker 8: part of the bill is completely against those provisions, against

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Speaker 8: those procedural rules for the Senate Parliamentaria could rule against

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Speaker 8: it and basically strike that portion of the bill without

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Speaker 8: ever even becoming law. And you know, that would stay

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Speaker 8: people a lot of stress and anxiety, and you don't

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Speaker 8: have to worry about the court battles and what happens

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Speaker 8: with Scremetti versus us, which is a Supreme Court case

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Speaker 8: that's going to be ruled on on gender firming care soon.

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Speaker 8: So what we've been telling people, and you know, including

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Speaker 8: listeners for your show, is that people really need to

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Speaker 8: reach out to their senators every single day, email call

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Speaker 8: and ask them to vote no on this bill. On

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Speaker 8: HR one and it specifically mentioned the trans healthcare aspects.

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Speaker 8: And if you want, there's templates online on our website,

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Speaker 8: or you can just you know, ask them, Hey, we

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Speaker 8: don't think this bill is good.

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Speaker 3: We don't.

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Speaker 8: We want you to challenge specifically the parts that are

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Speaker 8: attacking trans people. And I can confirm with you. I

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Speaker 8: can't share too much information, but I can confirm with

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Speaker 8: you that we are making real, legitimate progress on killing

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Speaker 8: this provision. And the more people we have calling in

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Speaker 8: every single day, the better our odds are. But there's

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Speaker 8: still more ways to fight back. And I want Mara

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Speaker 8: to pick up on how people can fight back on

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Speaker 8: the ground.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So in addition to reaching out to your senators,

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Speaker 7: of course, to that, there's an email template, Mattie wrote

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Speaker 7: of a great one. It tells you everything you need

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Speaker 7: to do. You can even leave a phone call to

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Speaker 7: the script it takes like five minutes. But more long

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Speaker 7: term is this is not going to be the only

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Speaker 7: attack on gender affirming care. It's not going to stop here.

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Speaker 7: This is just the latest attempt that they're trying to do. Ultimately,

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Speaker 7: we cannot rely on the government to give us a

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Speaker 7: central health care. We cannot rely on the government to

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Speaker 7: protect us and give us what we need, because fundamentally,

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Speaker 7: the government and the laws that it aims to uphold

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Speaker 7: are about protecting the rich, protecting the powerful, protecting the wealthy.

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Speaker 7: The law is functionally something that gives police power to

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Speaker 7: act as essentially an occupying army on state and to

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Speaker 7: persecute anyone who deviates from what those who are disproportionately

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Speaker 7: rich and powerful decruity. And we need to start focusing

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Speaker 7: on building long term solutions. Everything we can do with

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Speaker 7: legislative activism is important, but ultimately it will not save

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Speaker 7: us because there will be more attacks down the line,

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Speaker 7: and they'll keep coming, and they only need to win once.

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Speaker 7: We need to win that every time. But there are

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Speaker 7: long term solutions. My beat at this point is essentially

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Speaker 7: just telling everyone to get plugged into your local mutual

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Speaker 7: aid network, get plugged into people doing work on the

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Speaker 7: ground in your state, in your area, who are focusing

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Speaker 7: on a plethora of different issues. A bit of a

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Speaker 7: self plug here, but I wrote an article, for instance,

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Speaker 7: last month, where I interviewed a seasoned activist in the

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Speaker 7: Twin Cities who told me just a lot about the

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Speaker 7: history of radical practice in the cities, especially in light

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Speaker 7: of the George Floyd riots and especially in right of

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Speaker 7: corporate pride, rango capitalism, whole nine yards. Recommend reading it.

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Speaker 7: It's on the free radical dot org. Check it out.

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Speaker 7: But beyond of course my own writing in my own interviews,

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Speaker 7: there are so many people doing work that doesn't get

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Speaker 7: covered because it either isn't pattalable to mainstream news audiences

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Speaker 7: or it isn't seeking coverage for a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 7: In every single major city this I can guarantee there

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Speaker 7: are people doing work. Most of the time. It's not

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Speaker 7: going to be publicly visible, but they are there. I

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Speaker 7: would recommend that everyone who is not currently plugged in

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Speaker 7: gets started with something that is much more entry level

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Speaker 7: and something that is much more like meant to be

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Speaker 7: kind of for everyone who may not be willing to

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Speaker 7: do more in depth and more treesy type of stuff,

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Speaker 7: food not bombs, is the great thing I recommend for

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Speaker 7: everyone to check out. Not every city has one, most two,

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Speaker 7: every state has one. Beyond that, there are plenty of

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Speaker 7: local mutual aid groups in every single locality, and if

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Speaker 7: there's not one directly by you, there's probably one in

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Speaker 7: your nearest major city. I would specifically recommend I'm a

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Speaker 7: bit biased here, but I would recommend focusing on ones

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Speaker 7: that are decentralized and non hierarchical, ones that don't revolve

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Speaker 7: around centralizing power and placing that power in the hands

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Speaker 7: of people who are either good at smooth talking or

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Speaker 7: who have a lot of money. Ultimately, the way forward

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Speaker 7: for people of all different marginalized groups, not even just

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Speaker 7: trans people. You know on document immigrants, blocking auditions, well

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Speaker 7: of color, low income people, disable people, and so forth.

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Speaker 7: The way forward is by recognizing that our issues affect

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Speaker 7: all of us. Attacks on trans healthcare are not limited there. Inevitably,

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Speaker 7: let's say they ban trance healthcare overnight, They're going to

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Speaker 7: come for intersex people. Next, They're going to come for

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Speaker 7: gay people. Next, they're going to come for everyone. So

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Speaker 7: I would just say get involved in your local groups

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Speaker 7: and reach out there. Are resources out there. If you

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Speaker 7: need some, check out the free radical dot org. I

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Speaker 7: recommend a ton of them.

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Speaker 8: Thank you and yees. Our upside for Matti Metticast is

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Speaker 8: m adycast dot com and you can find our templates

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Speaker 8: for contacting your senators there. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 8: helping yourself and helping your community.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you so much for that. I want to

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Speaker 6: close on I want to read the route a real

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Speaker 6: line for fucking Davix manifesto from and or. Remember that

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Speaker 6: the frontier of the rebellion is everywhere, and even the

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Speaker 6: smallest insurrection pushes our line forward. And one of the

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Speaker 6: arguments that can make make sure that I think it's

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Speaker 6: just true is that in order to maintain their holds,

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Speaker 6: these people have to win one hundred battles across one

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Speaker 6: hundred fronts, you know. But this means that there are

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Speaker 6: so many different things that you can do to resist

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Speaker 6: them and to make sure that this fucking budget they're

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Speaker 6: trying to pass, to make sure that everyone in this

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Speaker 6: country suffers, and specifically that trans people cannot use the

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Speaker 6: health insurances that we need, use Medicaid, use Affordable Care

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Speaker 6: Act to pay for stuff. This stuff can be resisted

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Speaker 6: in so many different ways. You can, as we've talked about,

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Speaker 6: you can call your senators, you can yell at them,

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Speaker 6: you can make their lives miserable until they agree to

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Speaker 6: not do this. And then also you can join your

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Speaker 6: local mituway groups, you can join local activist groups. You

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Speaker 6: can start, you know, getting a serious organized other ways

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Speaker 6: you can. Again, like we've talked a lot about unions

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Speaker 6: and the role of unions and trying to struggle on

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Speaker 6: the show. We've talked of God, We've talked about so

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Speaker 6: many things. I'm going to do a one second plug

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Speaker 6: for the episode I wrote last year called you already

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Speaker 6: know how to organize, because you do already know how

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Speaker 6: to organize. And yeah, none of the things that are

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Speaker 6: happening here are inevitable. They can be stopped and there

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Speaker 6: are so many different ways for you to start stopping them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we're back and we're talking about Gavin Newsome

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Speaker 3: and particularly the intersection of the governor of California and

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump, which is a lot more shameful than you'd expect.

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Speaker 3: So if you remember a little earlier this year, there

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Speaker 3: was a big brujaha publicly because a California transgender high

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Speaker 3: school athlete one at the woman's eight feet triple jump.

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Speaker 3: This is an eleventh grade transgender athlete from Urupa Valley

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Speaker 3: High School near Riverside, California, and she won the Division

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Speaker 3: three girls long jump and triple jump and placed seventh

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Speaker 3: in the high jump at her Southern Section championship a

655
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Speaker 3: few weeks later. There's going to be I don't think

656
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Speaker 3: it's happened yet a championship meet that she qualified for

657
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Speaker 3: as a result of this. And when this happened, it

658
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Speaker 3: was immediately left on by the Trump administration and by

659
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 3: right wing media as evidence of this thing that they've

660
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: been trying to push for forever, which is that trans

661
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Speaker 3: athletes are a threat to women's sports. Right now, this

662
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 3: is something that number one, there's just not a lot

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Speaker 3: of And this is also something that like, I think

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Speaker 3: something like two thirds of Americans when polled, say that

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Speaker 3: they don't feel like trans athletes should be competing with

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Speaker 3: you know, quote unquote naturally born women in women's sports.

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Speaker 3: Right Like, this is a thing that the right has

668
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Speaker 3: built a lot of support for because they have made

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Speaker 3: this a political issue for so long, and they've been

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Speaker 3: largely successful in that the State of California and California

671
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Speaker 3: lawmakers have been pushing back against this. There have been

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Speaker 3: state bills in order to allow these girls to continue

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Speaker 3: to compete, but Gavin Newsom has not expressed the same

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Speaker 3: degree of support. And this kind of largely came out

675
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Speaker 3: earlier this month when he had a meeting with conservative

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Speaker 3: personality Charlie Kirk on his new podcast. As Newsom said,

677
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Speaker 3: Kirk pushed so hard on the topic that Newsom said

678
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Speaker 3: he felt like he had to address it. Here's how

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Speaker 3: Newsom characterized it, and then he asked me, tell me

680
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Speaker 3: that's not fair. And I looked at him. I said,

681
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Speaker 3: you're right, that's not And so it wasn't some grand design.

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Speaker 3: And I know, I know that hurt a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: but respectively, I just disagree with those on the other

684
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Speaker 3: side of this. Now, this brought a backlash against Newsom.

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Speaker 3: He was attacked for flip flopping because again, like the

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Speaker 3: California Democratic Party's position on this has been to defend

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Speaker 3: trans athletes, but Newsom kind of flipped as soon as

688
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 3: he was in a room with Charlie Kirk. Now, Newsom

689
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: will argue that he also tried to stick up for

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00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 3: trans athletes to Charlie Kirk to be clear about that,

691
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: this is exactly what he said to Charlie completely fair

692
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Speaker 3: on the issue of fairness. I completely agree. So that's

693
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Speaker 3: easy to call out the unfairness of that. There's also

694
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Speaker 3: a humility and grace that these poor people are more

695
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Speaker 3: likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression, and the

696
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 3: way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is issue

697
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: that I have a hard time with as well. So

698
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Speaker 3: both things I can hold in my hand. How can

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Speaker 3: we address this issue with the kind of decency that

700
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Speaker 3: I think you know is inherent in you but not

701
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Speaker 3: always expressed in the issue. And first of all, there's

702
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Speaker 3: no decency inherent in Charlie Kirk. And second, yeah, there's

703
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Speaker 3: also a humility and grace that these poor people are

704
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Speaker 3: more likely to commit suicide. What does that? What that mean?

705
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Speaker 3: What does that mean? Gavin?

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Speaker 4: That's not a sentence? Also, like, just like I made

707
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 4: my living exercising for most of my twenties, right Like,

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Speaker 4: you're a professional athletes done sports?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

710
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Speaker 4: Like, and then I've done all kinds of other shit

711
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 4: where I still got paid to race my bike, right Like? Yeah,

712
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: sports are unfair. It fucking sucks. I coached people who

713
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Speaker 4: worked way.

714
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Speaker 3: Harder than me.

715
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Speaker 4: They trained super hard, they slept well, they ate better. Unfortunately,

716
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Speaker 4: for whatever reason, they were not able to get to

717
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Speaker 4: the same level.

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Speaker 3: That sucks.

719
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Speaker 4: But like sport is inherently unfair. The idea that like

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Speaker 4: the only difference is like this, like your xx x

721
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 4: y chromosoonality is nonsense. Like, especially in high school sports,

722
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Speaker 4: kids will develop at different times.

723
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Speaker 3: That is unfair.

724
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Speaker 4: Some kids will excel and then other kids will get better.

725
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Speaker 4: The function of high school sports is not to find

726
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Speaker 4: who can go like higher, faster, stronger. It's to teach

727
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Speaker 4: people to play nicely with one another and to communicate

728
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Speaker 4: inclusion and excluding trans kids is completely contrary to that.

729
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's like, yeah, I think that's a great point, James,

730
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Speaker 3: is that, like number one, this is all being entirely

731
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: made about like who places how, which is always going

732
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Speaker 3: to be based largely on things that like people can't control,

733
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Speaker 3: because like people's bodies are different, you know, Yeah, and

734
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Speaker 3: they developed differently.

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Speaker 4: Like there are people who I beat by graces when

736
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Speaker 4: I was a kid who have one stages at the

737
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Speaker 4: Tour de France. Yeah, like if our bodies developed differently,

738
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Speaker 4: that's completely normal.

739
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's this again. The thing that should matter

740
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 3: here is not treating a community of people hatefully, which

741
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 3: is the entire of the reason the right has made

742
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 3: this an issue. It has nothing to do with fairness,

743
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Speaker 3: it has nothing to do with sports. It's entirely about

744
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Speaker 3: hurting a group of people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if these people gave a single shit about women's sports,

746
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Speaker 4: said it being there when women weren't getting paid the

747
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Speaker 4: same Did it been there when they didn't get the

748
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Speaker 4: same TV covery? Did it there when they didn't get

749
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Speaker 4: the same price money?

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Speaker 3: And they were mostly making fun of women's sports at

751
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Speaker 3: that point in time? Yea. Now, I do think one

752
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: thing that's funny here is that when Newsom was when

753
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Speaker 3: people asked, rightly, like when Californian legislators were pushing to

754
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Speaker 3: protect trans athletes, why didn't you bring up that you

755
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Speaker 3: felt this way? And his answer was, I didn't have

756
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: a podcast, I wasn't having that conversation. I was out

757
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 3: there on the campaign trail and the big blue bubble,

758
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 3: on the big blue bus and the big blue crowds,

759
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: having big blue conversations. And then he went on to

760
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Speaker 3: say that basically the backlash to him agreeing with Charlie

761
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Speaker 3: Kirk on this has convinced him. I always thought the

762
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Speaker 3: right overstated how judgmental my party was, and I'll be

763
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Speaker 3: candid with you, I have a deeper understanding now of

764
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: that critique than I ever ever ever understood. It's like,

765
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: now that people are angry at me, I believe there's

766
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 3: a problem with my party being judgmental.

767
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, now that I've faced a consequence of my shit,

768
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 4: I hate trans people even more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be so hard to be Gavin Newsome.

770
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Speaker 2: It's gotta be tough and betray your constituents to get

771
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Speaker 2: the approval of a millennial right wing podcaster who goes around.

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Speaker 3: Who still hates you touring.

773
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Speaker 2: College campuses to debate seventeen year olds. That must be

774
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Speaker 2: so hard for you.

775
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: It's gotta be tough. Gotta be tough, Gavin.

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Speaker 4: He did say in his podcast his kid likes Charlie Kirk,

777
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: not surprisingly. Maybe this is all just a ploy to

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Speaker 4: be a cool dad.

779
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not surprised he sucks at being a dad.

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Speaker 4: Gavin usedomings you wants to be a cool dad, Emty,

781
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 4: it's embarrassing.

782
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Speaker 2: Reminds me that Jake Dapper just said his kid's not

783
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: really into politics. He's just into World War two and

784
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: gaming great part of World War two.

785
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Speaker 4: Tapurious, curious many such cases.

786
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Speaker 3: Doesn't his kid want to be a cop? Is that

787
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Speaker 3: Jake Tapper? Yeah, that makes sense. That sounds like Jake

788
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: fucking Tapper's kid. So look. Earlier this week on Tuesday,

789
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Speaker 3: President Trump shared a truth social post, a truth threatening

790
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Speaker 3: to yesa he retruthed a post threatening to withhold federal

791
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: funding from California over the participation of this high school

792
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Speaker 3: trans athlete in the upcoming California Interscholastic Federation State Track

793
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 3: and Field Championships. Right, and he said that, under the

794
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: leadership of radical left Democrat Gavin Nuskum, California continues to

795
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: illegally allow men to play in women's sports. The governor

796
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: himself said it is unfair. Trump wrote, first off, the

797
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: fact that Gavin agreed with Charlie INA's podcast did nothing

798
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 3: to change the rhetoric around him. He's still radical left

799
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: democrat Gavin newscom because you can't make these people unhappy,

800
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: because it's not about fairness, it's about hurting people.

801
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: Right, you can fight this. The governor of Maine has been.

802
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk about Maine. Yes, yeah, so Trump

803
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 3: made this same threat to the state of Maine when

804
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 3: the governor of Maine refused to stop allowing trans people

805
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: to compete in women's sports, and the administration attempted to

806
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: freeze funds intended for a main child nutrition program.

807
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Speaker 2: No more food for your kids because woa, no more.

808
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 3: Food for poor kids because woke. And in response, the

809
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 3: governor made was like, all right, let's fucking go to

810
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 3: the mat. And they filed a lawsuit against the US

811
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Speaker 3: Department of Agriculture, and the Trump administration settled, like they

812
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: they backed down. They agreed to stop freezing the funds

813
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: if Maine dropped the lawsuit, right, Like, as soon as

814
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 3: Maine sued, Trump backed down, right and rather than attempting

815
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: to do that even though there's ample evidence that the

816
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: administration backs down. And to be fair, and I think

817
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: against Maine, California's got a lot more weight to throw around. Yeah,

818
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 3: it's the fifth largest economy on the planet. They have

819
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: some they have some fucking hack behind them, and like

820
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: news clearly has.

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Speaker 4: No moral principle other than advancing his own career in

822
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 4: personal iron wealth right now.

823
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Speaker 3: But like, even if that is the case.

824
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 4: It's so easy to be like, yeah, I'll fight him

825
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 4: on this, I'll fight for the trans kids and get

826
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 4: some like resist a points.

827
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Speaker 3: But he's just too much of a fucking cow. The

828
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: first rule of fighting these people is don't give them anything.

829
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: Don't treat them like people. They're monsters, their scum. You

830
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: fight them every step of the way, right, Like, it

831
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what you feel about the issue. You never

832
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 3: give pieces a shit like this a win. Yeah. Right,

833
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: that's just not the way you fight them.

834
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Speaker 2: This is the problem with people like Evin, who just

835
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: whose entire politics is just chasing the zeitgeist.

836
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

837
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: So then when you interpret the zeitgeist as like swinging

838
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: against your previously held progressive DEI woke LGBTQ plus values, Yeah,

839
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: then you just go along with that swing and you

840
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: actually don't even care about getting this getting this points

841
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: anymore because you think the culture is going in a

842
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: different direction. Sure, and all you care about is being

843
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: in the cultural zeitgeist. Yeah, you don't actually stand for anything,

844
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: like you're just you're just nothing.

845
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And everyone can see that as opposed to understanding

846
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: what Governor Frey of main nderstands, which is that no,

847
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: you stand there. You accept that the zeitgeist is a

848
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 3: screen door and it's going to bounce off of you

849
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: and back in enough for another direction if you stand

850
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: for something, right, Gavin decided not to stand for something,

851
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: and immediately after Trump made that tweet threatening to withhold

852
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 3: funds from the state of California, and you know, the

853
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 3: Department of Education has opened title for investigations in two

854
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: leagues that have allowed trans athletes, including CIF, which is

855
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 3: California's high school governing a sports governing body. Right after

856
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: Trump made this most recent truth, the CIF released a

857
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: statement saying that it had made the decision to pilot

858
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 3: an entry process for the championship that's coming up that

859
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: will alter the way they hand out awards. It will

860
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 3: expand qualification opportunities for biological female student athletes. Is the

861
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 3: exact way that they have phrased this. And basically what

862
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 3: they're going to be doing is giving an award for

863
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: biological men, biological women, and than trans competitors. Right, so

864
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: there will be like three long jump awards.

865
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Speaker 2: It's like a segregated scoring field.

866
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's some I guess you could say it's

867
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: not as awful as trying to ban people. But also

868
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: it's kind of like you're not even taking any kind

869
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: of stance here. It's not it's just it's nothing. It's

870
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: nothing now. Newsome spokesperson as a Garden says cif proposed

871
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: pilot is a reasonable, respectful way to navigate a complex

872
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: issue without compromising competitive fairness. That governor is encouraged by

873
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: this thoughtful approach. And I should note here this has

874
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 3: done nothing to actually calm the right or get conservatives

875
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: to back down right.

876
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: Now, because they don't want trans kids competing at all.

877
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 2: They don't want trans kids in public life.

878
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: They don't want tids existing. Yes, and so like the

879
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: conservative Californians are still angry.

880
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: You can't take them for their word for it. Yeah,

881
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: they don't care about fairness in sports. This is all

882
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: about just eradicating trans genders from public life, like as

883
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: as Michael Knowles said at Sea Pack like two years ago,

884
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 2: Like that's yeah what they actually care about.

885
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's you know, there's been a bunch of

886
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: statements some some Democrats and the legislative LGBTQ cock because

887
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: it have been like well, Gavin's you know, otherwise been

888
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 3: a good ally. You know for LGBTQ people, and I

889
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 3: don't agree with this is something that an assembly member

890
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 3: Chris Ward said basically, I don't agree with this particular move.

891
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: But he's been a good ally for a long time.

892
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: Has he though? Has he though?

893
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

894
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 4: I mean when it's convenient to him, I guess I prefer.

895
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 3: Caucus member Alex Lee said that Newsom was quote just

896
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 3: commenting on how he personally feels. He mentioned it on

897
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 3: his dumb podcast. He never intended it to be a

898
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: policy direction. Announced, Hell, yeah, it's a dumb podcast.

899
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, I mean you should be concerned that he

900
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 4: has a dumb pot cost what he deemed it. I

901
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 4: just trans people like, yeah, he signed vetos all the time.

902
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: Like again, I found a k c Ira add An

903
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 3: article on this that quotes Publican assembly Woman Kate Sanchez,

904
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: who wrote a bill that would have banned trans athletes

905
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: from competing in girls high school sports earlier this year.

906
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: This is what she said about cif's rule chains pilot policy.

907
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: It's incredibly weak. We're angry, We're pissed at this. How

908
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: every day that goes by and no one is protecting

909
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 3: our girls. This is inexcusable. We need to have something done.

910
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: Governor whoson needs to pick aside, do something, do the

911
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: right thing. So again, this gets you nothing with them, right,

912
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 3: it benefits you not at all. There's another quote I

913
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: want to read here from State Senator Scott Weiner, who

914
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: is the leader of the Senate Budget Committee and again

915
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: a member of the LGBTQ Rights Caucus. Trump is now

916
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: targeting California, just like he targeted Maine. Threatening to withhold

917
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: federal funds of California doesn't follow as I legal edicts

918
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 3: targeting transgender people. California law protects trans people. That won't

919
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 3: change Main one in court. So will California. There's only

920
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: one answer to a bully No, And as Main Governor

921
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: Janet Mills said, see you in court. Sorry I got

922
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: I don't know why I said Governor Fray earlier, but anyway,

923
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 3: the point here is that you have Californian legislators saying

924
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: the right thing, and then you have of fucking Newsome

925
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: being like, no, no, no, actually we're totally going to

926
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: cave and in a way that won't even make the

927
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 3: Republicans happy. It's just frustrating to me that you do

928
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: have Democrats trying to do the right thing here in

929
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 3: California politics and Newsom absolutely having CIF do a run

930
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 3: around on them out of pure cowardice. Anyway, that's what

931
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 3: I got.

932
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 2: Get him out of there.

933
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 3: Get him out of there. Fuck Evin Newsom.

934
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 4: We tried to. That was a recall, but it was

935
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 4: not for the right reasons.

936
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, the last time we recalled a California governor, it

937
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 3: was a real mixed bag.

938
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of a mixed bag, that's right, and we're back. Okay,

939
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: we're back.

940
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: We're back.

941
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: James don want to finish us up here, I.

942
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 4: Do, Garrison, I would like that very much. I want

943
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 4: to talk about a couple of things. I'm going to

944
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 4: try and keep this faster and know it's already been

945
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 4: a long episode up with ice agents have been arresting

946
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 4: people in immigration court around the country and placing them

947
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 4: at expedited remove all proceedings. If you want to know

948
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 4: more about exactly what they exploited remove all proceedings are

949
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: and how they work, you can go back to our episode,

950
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 4: which will have aired the day before you hear this,

951
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 4: and that would explain And I talked to an immigration

952
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 4: attorney there and explain a little bit more about how

953
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 4: that works. This includes people whose cases were not dismissed.

954
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: So Previously it was reported that ICE was dismissing cases

955
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 4: of people who had arrived less than two years ago

956
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 4: and placing them under two forty explanited remove all proceedings.

957
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 4: Apparently they are also detaining other people. I am not

958
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 4: sure how that works. I have not seen any justifications

959
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 4: for this to give me an explanation for it. I'm

960
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 4: not sure how much that matters anymore. These people are

961
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 4: going to have to fight their removal from detention, which

962
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 4: is obviously going to be a pretty unpleasant experience.

963
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: Right. Detention in these.

964
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 4: In these cour civic or geogroup facilities is pretty bad.

965
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 4: I'm aware of cases where I misidentified the person being

966
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 4: detained cuff the wrong person. And I'm aware that there

967
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 4: are Spectrum Services who are an ICE detention officer provider officers,

968
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 4: at least outside some of these facilities. I believe also

969
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 4: inside Spectrum Services. I've noticed been posting a lot of

970
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 4: job adverts recently. This is something I sometimes keep an

971
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 4: eye on. Right like right before the end of title

972
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 4: forty two, I saw they were advertising for ICE contractors

973
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 4: to transport detainees. So this is sometimes a sign that

974
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 4: bad things are a foot in the immigration world. I'm

975
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 4: guessing in this case it's either this or a plan

976
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 4: to further expand detention capacity, which also something the Trump

977
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 4: administration has been talking about. Right, So they also have

978
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 4: these various subjective orders authorizing more budget and the budget

979
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 4: bill or threwting more budget for detaining migrants. Secondly, the

980
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 4: South Sudan case rope we's covered this last week at

981
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 4: ALVSUS Known.

982
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: We also covered it earlier in this week.

983
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 4: If you go back to our episode which aired on Wednesday,

984
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 4: you can hear more about the sort of blow by

985
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 4: blow of timeline of that case. In the South Studian case,

986
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 4: Trump administration seems to have gone directly to the Supreme

987
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 4: Court try and get an emergency stay on the injunction,

988
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 4: which afforded due process rights to the migrants who are

989
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 4: currently detained into booty. The administration asked for a stay

990
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 4: of the court's injunction. The courts injunction had given them

991
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 4: ten days to assert their reasonable fear of torture and

992
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 4: then a further fifteen days to ask to reopen their

993
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 4: case if the Department of Home Land Security determined that

994
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 4: fear not to be credible. Justice Supreme Court Justice Jackson

995
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 4: has given the plentiffs a week to respond to the

996
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 4: United States the DOJ's call for a stay right, So

997
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 4: in practices, people will still have that ten days from

998
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 4: the injunction to make their play that they have a

999
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 4: fear of torture. Right. South Sudan has said that if

1000
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 4: these people aren't South Sudanese, it will just return them

1001
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 4: to their country of citizenship. So if the United States

1002
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 4: can't return them there because they have a fear of torture,

1003
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 4: it just seems like the whole South Sudan thing is

1004
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 4: just an end run around the Convention against Torture right

1005
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 4: there their obligation not to return people to places where

1006
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 4: they will be tortured. Talking of returning people to places

1007
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 4: where they will be tortured. Unfortunately, the Trump administration has

1008
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 4: deported twenty people to Mianma. This is according to reporting

1009
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 4: in Meanma Now. I've also written about it on my

1010
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 4: page Patreon page. I've linked both of those in the

1011
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 4: show notes. But it should be noted that me and

1012
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 4: I Now broke the story and it's getting very little

1013
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 4: coverage in the United States. I can speculate as to

1014
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 4: why that you probably don't need to hear me to

1015
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 4: sort of join the dots there.

1016
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 3: This is atrocious.

1017
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 4: Robert and I have both spoken to people with extensive

1018
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 4: experience of detention in me m Aar, and like, when

1019
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 4: we talk about the worst attention conditions in the world,

1020
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 4: we get to a point where it doesn't really make

1021
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 4: any sense for us to say, like a is worse in.

1022
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 3: Right, right, that this is worse than Sednaia or whatever.

1023
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 3: But it's on like the level which was Assad's torture

1024
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 3: prison and Syria as.

1025
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 4: Sads butchery for human beings.

1026
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 3: Like we're talking about that level.

1027
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I mean things that I have heard. People

1028
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 4: have been electrocuted to death. People are water boarded, people

1029
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 4: have acid poured in their mouths. Bodies are found without organs,

1030
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 4: people are beaten to such an extent that their entire

1031
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 4: bodies are covered with bruises and contusions. Many times people

1032
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 4: will only know that their family member is detained when

1033
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 4: they disappear, and then a few days later they get

1034
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 4: a call telling them to pick up the body. Conditions

1035
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 4: in Burmese hunted attention facilities are atrocious. These people are

1036
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 4: currently being held at the on Tarpi Interrogation Center. It

1037
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 4: appears at seven, one of the earliest, but this has

1038
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 4: been happening since March. It appears that somebody these people

1039
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 4: have been released. The rest are being held by SAC.

1040
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 4: That's the Burmese hunter of military intelligence units, who will

1041
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 4: almost certainly torture them. Me and MA does have a

1042
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 4: temporary protected status, but I think I've seen a couple

1043
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 4: of posts about this, so I just want to clarify

1044
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 4: the TPS doesn't apply to people who entered after the

1045
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 4: TPS was granted, or to people who have committed certain crimes.

1046
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 4: We know that at least one of the men they

1047
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 4: returned had been convicted of a crime. Not all of

1048
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 4: these crimes are like particularly HENUS felonies. Right, you can

1049
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 4: do a certain number of misdemeanors and also be deported

1050
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 4: under a TPS. But I'm trying to find out who

1051
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 4: these people are. I know that you can't download our

1052
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 4: podcast in Meanma, which is a huge dub for us.

1053
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 4: But you know, I know a lot of Burmese people

1054
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 4: do listen, so you know, if you have an particular

1055
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 4: insight into this, you could reach out to us. We'll

1056
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 4: drop the email addressing a little bit here it does

1057
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 4: seem very unlikely that these people were given a chance

1058
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 4: to make a claim of fear of torture, right, because

1059
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 4: it would be a very easy claim to make, given

1060
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 4: every major human rights organization on the planet has documented

1061
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 4: torture of detainees in Meanma. I was just reading a

1062
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 4: report this morning about harassment of trans women in prisons

1063
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 4: in Myanmar. But the same thing goes for CIS folks,

1064
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 4: for straight folks, for everyone, right, no one, No one

1065
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 4: comes out of there the same they went in. Yeah,

1066
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 4: I can't believe that these people were given a chance

1067
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 4: to claim a credible fear because it would have been

1068
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 4: such an easy claim to make, yep, And they wouldn't

1069
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 4: have been returned there. So yeah, I wish the story

1070
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 4: was getting more reporting. I wish more people in the

1071
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 4: media in this country cared about me and Maa. But

1072
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 4: that's a drama I have been beating for four years now,

1073
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 4: and I don't think she's going to change anytime soon.

1074
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 4: So I guess all there is to say is that

1075
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 4: I really appreciate those of you who do, especially those

1076
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 4: of you who listen to the show and take an

1077
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 4: interest in all things Meanma. But yeah, if these people

1078
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 4: have been returned to a country that the US press

1079
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 4: was more familiar with, there'd be a lot more noise

1080
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 4: about this, but this is absolutely unconscionable.

1081
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1082
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, these people will be tortured. It would not shock

1083
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 4: me if some of these people died.

1084
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Speaker 3: Yeah, now, this is I mean, there have been cases

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Speaker 3: so far. I think at least seven of the people

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Speaker 3: that have been sent over previously in the last year

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Speaker 3: or so by the US have been released from this prison.

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Speaker 3: So it's not unnecessarily a death sentence, but for a

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Speaker 3: good number of them it will be, right, Yeah, especially

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00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: since there are also Rowhinga people who will be deported

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Speaker 3: in the near future and presumably directly back to the

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00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: same place.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's documented that people deported from Thailand

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Speaker 4: are immediately conscripted and yeah, sent me to the military. Right,

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Speaker 4: So if they get out of prison, there's a good

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Speaker 4: chance that, especially if they're men, that they will be

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Speaker 4: Women do get conscripted too in Meanmar, but there's a

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Speaker 4: good chance with that will happen too. They've been conscripting

1099
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 4: a lot of o Hinga people. So yeah, the outcomes of

1100
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 4: this will be very poor and U Yeah, the only

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00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 4: way torture stops in Burma. Is is when the revolution

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Speaker 4: succeeds and liberates to Britains. Like that, there is no

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Speaker 4: reasoning with the Burmese hunter. Yep, it's about all I got.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty fucked like.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of fucked, let's listen to the tariffs song. There's

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Speaker 3: no terriffs this week now, fuck it. Well, let's just

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Speaker 3: listen to it and then have the end of the episode.

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Speaker 3: Just gets a nice song. Let's just listen to it now.

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Speaker 2: We don't have time to listen to it. This is

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Speaker 2: the end of the episode.

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00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 3: Wow, Garrison took it away from you and complained to

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Speaker 3: them online.

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Speaker 4: The constant agist attacks on the Clash have not stopped.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, fellas, all that money for nothing?

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Speaker 3: We reported the new.

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