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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Saren.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Elizabeth, now are you friend? I've been better, but

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm fine. I think I'm doing well. I'm

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Speaker 2: above boards and above earth and you know, still sitting

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Speaker 2: upright and taking nurse.

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Speaker 3: There it is above ground and getting paid?

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Speaker 2: Is there you go? Yeah, on the right side of

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Speaker 2: the grass.

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Speaker 3: Do you know it's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god? Yes. So it was just recently the

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Speaker 2: Easter season, right, and I was thinking about it because,

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Speaker 2: like like you, I was raised Catholic and I used

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Speaker 2: to love to tell my mom inappropriate Jesus jokes around

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Speaker 2: the holidays. So you're not going to yeah, I'm doing

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Speaker 2: a Jesus joke, Elizabeth. So what was ridiculous is I

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Speaker 2: found one that I was like, oh man, this guy's great.

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Speaker 2: I got to send it to better realize my mother

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Speaker 2: doesn't do memes, but I thought i'd just share it

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Speaker 2: with you. Okay, let me see how well this plays

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Speaker 2: as you just say it out louds. I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 2: it your on the phone. Ready, here's the joke. This

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Speaker 2: is from a guy named Bennett who is imagine a

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Speaker 2: guy on Twitter. So here's the joke. You're ready, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: guy who only knows Jesus professionally, Honey, did.

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Speaker 4: You hear they crucified our carpenter. No, I love that

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Speaker 4: they crucified our carpenter. I don't love hilarious the guy

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Speaker 4: who only knows Jesus professionally.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna explain it to you. It's awesome.

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. I get it.

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. How excited I am to tell my mother

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Speaker 2: that you you.

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Speaker 3: Really went out there on this one.

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Speaker 2: That it's an easter thing between my mother and I.

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Speaker 3: Okay and the Lord. You and the Lord.

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Speaker 2: He forgives me. He forgives me. It's so easy. I

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Speaker 2: just asked. He's like, you're forgiven. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: Killer Saint Peter and I were still chuckling. I'm getting

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Speaker 2: in on. They're gonna grease the rails for me to

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Speaker 2: get into having Elizabeth. They're just gonna they got.

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Speaker 3: It all like a skid road, easy peasy. Do you

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Speaker 3: want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I'd love to being such a good con artist that

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Speaker 3: you get recognized on the street. This is Ridiculous Crime.

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Speaker 3: A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons.

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Speaker 3: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: No, you don't heard that.

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Speaker 3: Shape shifting cons are fascinating to me.

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Speaker 2: It shape shifting You are the ones.

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Speaker 3: Who like become whoever they need to be in the

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Speaker 3: moment to pull one over on the mark.

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Speaker 2: Ah okay, yes, like not.

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Speaker 3: Literal shape shifters.

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't think that's what people. I didn't think

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Speaker 2: that's a lizard david people. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, these are the people who make themselves so intriguing

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Speaker 3: and so irresistible that people will get swept up and

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Speaker 3: do whatever the con wants. Ah. Yes, the influencer cons,

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Speaker 3: they just want people just want to be near them,

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Speaker 3: or to be liked or loved by them, to be

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Speaker 2: Yes, just warm their hands by their fire.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have one of those for you today. So yeah.

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Speaker 3: Her name was Sophia Ivanovna.

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Speaker 2: Is it now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, bustein the whole thing, bless me. Uh okay, her

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Speaker 3: name was Sophia Ivanovna Blustein.

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Speaker 2: If you say so, bless me, bless you.

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Speaker 3: But everyone called her Sonya gold Hand.

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Speaker 2: That is an amazing name.

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Speaker 3: She was the queen. My god, that's good, Queen of

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Speaker 3: the thieves in Imperial Russia.

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Speaker 6: Oh and she was a theem fatal Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: She lived this incredible life from start to finish.

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Speaker 2: How is she not more famous? I've never heard of that.

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Speaker 3: I'm working on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, build the foundation.

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Speaker 3: Let's go back to the start. Let's let's start at

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Speaker 3: the beginning.

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Speaker 2: She was born, small black child.

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Speaker 3: She's born in a district of.

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Speaker 3: Back so back when she was born in eighteen forty six. Sure,

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Speaker 3: her area of Warsaw was just like a little village

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Speaker 2: That's not a village, No, it's like a bunch of

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Speaker 3: But it's like in this like outskirt area of Warsaw,

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Speaker 3: So her early life story is a little hazy, in

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Speaker 3: part because she told a lot of tall tales, and

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Speaker 3: so there are nuggets of truth in there, but much

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Speaker 2: Also, a great thing about the nineteenth century is like

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Speaker 2: somebody would come and take over your whole country, and

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Speaker 2: country's back. You're like, oh, I'm fighting to get back

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Speaker 2: by so, like everybody always so was so fluid. It's

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Speaker 3: And I'm fine with those fabrications, like We're just going

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Speaker 3: to rocket like it's it's the truth because Zaren, it's

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Speaker 3: her truth.

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Speaker 2: It is. Let's let it being in her truth.

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Speaker 3: So she she came from an eccentric and bohemian Jewish family,

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Speaker 3: and bohemian in the sense of artistic and nonconforming, not geographic.

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Speaker 3: She liked to tell people that she was born into

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Speaker 3: a family of smugglers, like you love this, and it

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Speaker 3: could have been true, but there's also evidence that her

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Speaker 3: dad was a simple barber. But you know what, why

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Speaker 2: I ask if Bob Dylan gets the backstory he wants,

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Speaker 2: so does she exactly?

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Speaker 3: And what does it matter anyway?

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Speaker 2: A good story?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, Sonia's house was usually full of shady foreign

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Speaker 3: So if this was indeed a smuggler's house. She met

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Speaker 3: a lot of criminals from all over with various specialties.

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Speaker 3: Because of this international parade through her home, she learned

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Speaker 3: And she was also just this incredible mimic and observer.

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Speaker 3: So she would watch and she became really acquainted with

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Speaker 2: Did she have like an opportunity to study them, Like

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Speaker 2: did she work in like, you know, a house or something.

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Speaker 3: So, but she started her criminal career when she was thirteen.

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Speaker 3: She would steal stuff from third class train cars.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they should class. It's such a crazy distinction.

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Speaker 3: Right, she get noticed in the first class?

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Speaker 2: Can here in second class? You got just enough money

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Speaker 2: to be in a class exactly? Like that is such

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Speaker 3: Well, she'd stick out in first class, so you know,

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Speaker 3: she she it was a different story in third class.

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Speaker 3: And she brought her sister with her and apparently, like

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Speaker 3: her sister wasn't that great a theft but Sonia and I, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 3: Sonya is amazing, And I say Sonya right, because there's

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Speaker 3: it's weird translations where she's born so fast she gets

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Speaker 3: called Sonya Russia an different things.

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Speaker 2: You got a chart out, Yeah, she goes.

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Speaker 3: At this point, she's so no, okay, people start calling

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Speaker 3: her Golden Hand because she's so adept at pickpocketing and

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Speaker 2: Wonder Goldhand's super smooth with that.

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Speaker 3: She's the greatest picture beautiful. So that adds to the

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Speaker 3: mystique in the legend of this, like golden criming goddess.

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Speaker 2: How close you can get to her victims.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly. That totally is what helps. So when

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Speaker 3: was like, I've had enough.

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Speaker 2: You're embarrassing me. I can't even go to get a

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Speaker 3: Right, so you know, he takes off. Her second husband

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a professional criminal, that's all he knows.

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Speaker 2: She has no marketable.

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Speaker 3: Skills, none, none, so she but she soaked up all

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Speaker 3: She's like you hold, she could charm any man, like cops, detectives, soldiers, nobility,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they'd throw it all away from her, and

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Speaker 3: for the most part, she would then slip away and

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Speaker 2: WHOA, yeah, you said a lot. I was thinking seven,

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Speaker 3: Think I think there's there's a lot of exaggeration back

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Speaker 2: But still this is like the yellow journalism era papers details,

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Speaker 3: So the marriages, they're part of the can of course,

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Speaker 3: the bulk of her scams they worked like this. She'd

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Speaker 3: dressed and so well Maddy, and oh, I'm so you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm so embarrassed.

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Speaker 2: And they want to be gracious and gentlemanly about it.

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Speaker 3: Right. She called this act the guten Morgan.

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Speaker 2: She's like an ocean's eleven yesh i pull a guten Morgan.

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Speaker 3: So a variation of it is that if the resident

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Speaker 3: pleasantly startled to see her standing there look at all gorgeous,

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Speaker 3: she'd still act like she was confused and embarrassed for

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Speaker 3: having gone to the wrong room, all apologies, but then

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Speaker 3: she'd play it like she was so captivated by this

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Speaker 3: the guy'd be like, no, no, no, stay. And so for

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Speaker 3: So now like she's got her clause in him right,

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Speaker 3: So then like they'd hook up. They would they'd make

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Speaker 3: So she's like pointing all these pieces and she's like

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Speaker 2: It takes like a whack on the head and leave, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Maybe family business. Maybe get a kid in there who

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Speaker 3: The door exactly, that's what you need. So one another

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Speaker 3: one she did was she went to this high end

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Speaker 3: Well, I could. I usually carry a fan in my bag,

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Speaker 2: So anyway, sonya, I'm so much past Schmitz. That'd be

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Speaker 3: She it was this old man that owned the shop,

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Speaker 3: as she's doing this, she's discreetly sliding like a dozen

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Speaker 3: Sleeves and like she later Yeah, apparently she had also

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Speaker 2: So he was a mote.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a break. We'll have more Sonia when we

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Speaker 7: In her.

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Speaker 3: Zaren Darren Elizabeth Sonia golden Man.

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Speaker 2: I'm still loving that name.

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Speaker 3: Her life is full of these kind of anecdotes of

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Speaker 2: And possibly silliness where she's like, oh, I forgot this

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Speaker 2: And how big were her nails if you could hold

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Speaker 3: And so she'd ask to see loose diamonds or unset stones,

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Speaker 3: And so the jeweler would lay them out and they

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Speaker 2: She's getting it, like basically the but if you.

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Speaker 2: Who that's a job.

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Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, this Italian lady written me off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So she chats for a while, flirts it up,

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Speaker 3: I was hoping that you could change a thousand rouble

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Speaker 3: the main bank over there. Why don't we travel together?

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00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 3: But she's like, what a coincidence. I had no idea

437
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 3: you were going to be on that train. She's got

438
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 3: eyes and ears everywhere planned this out. So they continued

439
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 3: chatting and then they meet up at the train station

440
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 3: later and they shared a sleeping compartment, which I'm sure

441
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 3: was a delight for dogmrov.

442
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm betting yeah.

443
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 3: So they continue their chat. They're like cracking each other up.

444
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: We're talking peak life moment.

445
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 3: For right, he picked up this rich lady and.

446
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: Like on a train, a sleeper car. Strange. Everything's like

447
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: his life is sexy, romantic fun.

448
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 3: You're having these deep conversations, having deep conversations, indulged in

449
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 3: a luxurious box of chocolate.

450
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 2: Bad luxury chocolate, luxury chocolate. This is like one of

451
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: my peak life just described a damn doga morov.

452
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 3: So night fell. By morning he had enjoyed a sound,

453
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 3: contented sleep.

454
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: I bet.

455
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 3: The light began to peek through the curtains in the

456
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,360
Speaker 3: train car and he looked around. No Sophia sun Donato.

457
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 3: He reached for his travel case. The cash he'd been

458
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 3: carrying was gone, as well as forty three thousand roubles

459
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 3: and securities documents. She took him. Uh, there was one heist, though.

460
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: I got it. One thing I had to say about

461
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: that that sucks to go from that peak moment to

462
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: the absolutely the mountains slipped and now you're at the

463
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: bottom of the valley that was just as high as

464
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: the mountain.

465
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 3: Because you think about it, you have to explain what happened.

466
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 3: You've got chocolate on your ship.

467
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 2: Chocolate what happened?

468
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: But you don't understand h So there's this one heist.

469
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 3: So this is the one that cemented her as queen

470
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 3: of the thieves. And like the ultimate con artists, a

471
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 3: full on ConA. It was a grand performance with identity, theft, seduction, forgery, escape.

472
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 3: I'm bu she pulls us off with like complete elegance

473
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 3: and cunning and when it was revealed, it pretty much

474
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 3: made Golden Hand a household name across Imperial Russia.

475
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: Go on, tell me, it's called the.

476
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 3: Von Mel Heist me life. May eighteen eighty three. Three okay,

477
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: So Sonya showed up at the von Mel jewelry store,

478
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: done up in all our finery. This time she was

479
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: not a countess or a baroness. She said she was

480
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 3: the wife of a very well known and very wealthy psychiatrist.

481
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 3: That she said she was in the market for some

482
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 3: fine jewelry. She wanted to treat herself, and her husband said,

483
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 3: you know what, spare no expense, not yourself.

484
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 7: Phone.

485
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 3: He came from money. He wanted her to have it all.

486
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 3: So she picked out a bunch of different pieces with

487
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 3: a value all together of almost fifty thousand roubles. That

488
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: was an incredible sum. So that's like the equivalent of

489
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 3: showing up on a whim to a jewelry store today

490
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 3: and being like, show me two million dollars in bobbles,

491
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 3: you know those things because I feel like it. Yeah, exactly,

492
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: let's so break me. So she picked out what she wanted,

493
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 3: She gave the jeweler her home address. She said that

494
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: her husband had the money to pay for it. She

495
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 3: certainly wasn't going to walk around with that kind of

496
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:00,120
Speaker 3: cash on her.

497
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: And from what we've talked about previously, in Russian like exchanges,

498
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: you can get your bills settled up much later. Yeah, yeah,

499
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: very understood.

500
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 3: She wasn't taking possession of the jewelry right then. She

501
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: was like, you bring it to my house and you know,

502
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: my husband will pay you. It'll be easy that way.

503
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 3: It's like you'll cash on delivery totally.

504
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: Zaren Cod huh.

505
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: Cod, close your eyes. Oh, I want you to picture it.

506
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: You are a courier for Carl von mel, a fancy jeweler.

507
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 3: He made a huge sale today and the two of

508
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: you are off to deliver it to the woman who

509
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: bought the gems. Apparently her husband is incredibly wealthy, filthy rich,

510
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: and he's going to pay upon delivery. You're carrying the

511
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 3: case with the jewelry in it, and von Mel is

512
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 3: there to get the money and schmooz up with the couple.

513
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: The two of you walk briskly down a leafy boulevard

514
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: in Saint Petersburg. It's a lovely spring day. The sun

515
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 3: is out and the chill is fading from the air.

516
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: Horses with shiny coats pulling gilded carriages roll by on

517
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: the street. You are in a very nice neighborhood. The

518
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 3: horse and carts where you live are more, shall we

519
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 3: say rusty. People in their finery, well crafted hats and

520
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: luxurious coats of embroidered fine fabric brush past you on

521
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 3: a sidewalk with polite nods and smiles. Von Mel is giddy.

522
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: He makes some big sales at the shop, but nothing

523
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: like this, and the potential for establishing a good relationship

524
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 3: with this wealthy couple has him excited. There's a pepinist step.

525
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: He's promised you a bonus too. You're in your best suit,

526
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: looking clean and sharp. This is a great day. You

527
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: reach the address the woman gave you and ring the bell.

528
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 3: After a pause, the large lacquered door opens and a

529
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: butler appears. He welcomes you out of the din of

530
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 3: the street and into the dark, lush interior of the

531
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 3: town home. Von Mell announces himself and the butler leads

532
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: you down a rich hallway, shine parquet floors and walls

533
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 3: thick with expensive oil paintings, to a very comfortable and

534
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 3: inviting study. Heavy leather club chairs face a rich mahogany

535
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: desk with intricate carved scroll work. A grandfather clock ticks

536
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: behind you. The woman is waiting in the office and

537
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 3: rises from one of the chairs to greet you. You

538
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 3: doff your cap. Von Mel bows and kisses the woman's

539
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: offered hand. She invites him to sit in the chair

540
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: beside hers. He accepts and instructs you to stand where

541
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: you are to the side. She tells Von Mel that

542
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 3: her husband will be in momentarily and how much she

543
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 3: appreciates the home delivery. She shoots you a sparkling smile

544
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: and a small wink. You go weak in the knees.

545
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 3: She's so beautiful, and she has this quality you can't

546
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 3: quite put your finger on, but you get this flash

547
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 3: that maybe she's sweet on you. Oh, that can't be,

548
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: but the look was undeniable. You blush a little. The

549
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 3: grandfather clock chimes two. Von Mel clears his throat and

550
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 3: tells you to present the case to madame. You approach

551
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 3: the woman and gently hand her the case full of jewels.

552
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 3: She takes it in her hands. You look at the

553
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: turn of her wrist. She is intoxicating. You blush again

554
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: and step back to your spot against the bookcase. Just then,

555
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: the door to the study opens. An older man in

556
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: a perfectly cut suit strides in, followed closely by two

557
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: other men in white outfits. The husband asks von Mel

558
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: what he's doing there. Von Mel pauses a little confused

559
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 3: and compliments the psychiatrist on his beautiful wife's incredible taste. Now,

560
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 3: if he could just get payment for these items. The

561
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 3: two men in orderly's whites come from behind the psychiatrist

562
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: and grab von Mel by the upper arms. They lift

563
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 3: her from the chair and began to drag him out

564
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: of the room. Von Mell is stunned, he protests, but

565
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: they're having none of it. Von Mel calls out for you,

566
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: and you look back and forth. A psychiatrist and his wife.

567
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: You briefly contemplate grabbing the case of jewelry, but this

568
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: whole thing is so strange that you just stand there

569
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: and stunned silence. The psychiatrist shouts in a booming voice

570
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: for you to leave, to get out of his office.

571
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: You put your head down and make for the door.

572
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: When you get out on the street, do you see

573
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: von Mell being crammed into a carriage Mark Saint Petersburg

574
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: Asylum on the side. He's still protesting as the carriage

575
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: rolls away. You can't go back to the shop, you

576
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: don't have key. You side the head home and hope

577
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: everything makes sense to Wow. Yeah, Zaren, what just happened?

578
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: I think only this got like shanghaied to a mental hospital.

579
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 3: We need to rewind a little bit. So before von

580
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: Mel and the fictional Zaron arrived at the home, Sonia

581
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: got there first, and she asked to see the psychiatrist.

582
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: And of course she's not married to him. We knew that,

583
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: but how did she get into the house. She introduces

584
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: herself to the psychiatrist as von Mel's wife, and she

585
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: said that her husband was old and confused, losing his mind.

586
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: It's impacting his business. It seems that he'd bought far

587
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: more diamonds than he could afford, and it was kind

588
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: of made him snap that he was going around telling

589
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: people that they had ordered diamonds and that he was

590
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: there to deliver and take payment. And he'd done this

591
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: for a couple of weeks now and he's just like

592
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: totally crackers. She needs, like, she needs to get him help.

593
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: He had a full on nervous breakdown. She's like, I

594
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: need to have him committed. So she pays the psychiatrist

595
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: up front for the treatment. She's like, my husband will

596
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: be here shortly, and you know what, he's gonna put

597
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 3: up a fight, but this is for his own good

598
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: that he just needs to be hauled away, no matter

599
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: what he says. And he was. He was hauled away,

600
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: as we saw, and then Sonia and the jewels gone.

601
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: So obviously the jeweler and the psychiatrist they figured it out,

602
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: you know, later on when it happened. But at that point,

603
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: she's gone.

604
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: All she needs that night's ride.

605
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: So let's pause here. When we get back from these ads,

606
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you how things finally caught up

607
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: with Golden.

608
00:30:45,920 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 6: Pandaren, Yes, Zaren Golden Hand, dude.

609
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: That was the I'm still reeling from that story, like

610
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: I've you know, that's a lot of old radio shows.

611
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: I had had an episode on Suspense that basically did that.

612
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: It was slightly different, but where they turnt they conned.

613
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: It was the doctor was conning people, and then when

614
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: the cops would show up, he would con the cops

615
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: into believing that the people he'd abducted were mentally unwell

616
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: and that's why they're protesting, and so he was like

617
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: and he's doing experiments on fear. It was it was

618
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: a great episode, but that's a much better use of

619
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: the same ideas.

620
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: Thinking about how at this time, you know, it's like

621
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: this burgeoning yan.

622
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's very well respected and they're trying to

623
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: help people and this is for your gold. But they're

624
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: gonna take you.

625
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: Off serious science. Yeah, doctors, but they.

626
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: Can throw you in like a rubber room, in like

627
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: one of those like straight jacket and there's nothing you

628
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: can do for like what seventy.

629
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 3: Two hours, right, And so for this one, it's especially

630
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: if she's so put together, presents herself and do you want.

631
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: To save her from this man? All you have to

632
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: do is just lock up her husband and then of

633
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: course you know that dispels all suspicion.

634
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: So she she's doing these kind of cops. That's the

635
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: big one. Where Ever, it's just like wow, respect that

636
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: was amazing masterpiece. Yeah so that. But she doesn't just

637
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: hit Russia, like I said, She pulled these scams all

638
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: over Europe and she played the countess or the rich lady.

639
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: She would seduce guys and get them to lavish her

640
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: with expensive gifts. She did some of like the merchant

641
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: ones as well, but traveling money. Yeah. Mostly it was

642
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: like she would just travel in these like the same thing.

643
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: As like the sting. You're gonna have your big scores

644
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: and you gotta have your little scores in between your.

645
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: Big scores, right right, And so she would. She'd promise

646
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: marriage a lot of times and then usually bailed before

647
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: that could happen. But obviously sometimes she had to go

648
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: through with it and marry the guy. That's how she

649
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: racked up all those marriages.

650
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: So she really did stand there and somebody it was

651
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: her name exactly, but she did went through the process

652
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: and along.

653
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: The way she had two kids.

654
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, really you saved that one.

655
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, So she has was on purpose. Yeah, she's two girls.

656
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: She was able to send them off to really really

657
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: expensive and prestigious boarding schools in Europe, and she didn't

658
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: want them to know what she really did, so they

659
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 3: were just like cartel daughters yet total cartel daughters and

660
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: like so pretty soon though, she shows up in America

661
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: at least she did according to our papers. Well, in

662
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 3: reading all yeah, in reading all the accounts, it seems

663
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: like some of the stories that they tell are almost

664
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: identical to tales of her exploits in Russia and across Europe,

665
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 3: Like too much of the detail is exactly the same. Okay,

666
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: Like maybe, yeah, she has a set playlist of what

667
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: she does. But I think that in that era, like

668
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: you were saying before yellow journalism, that they just grabbed

669
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: wire stories and get in there.

670
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: Sidicated stories were like a new thing basically, So you

671
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: would take a story and know that nobody in tepeak

672
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: had seen this, you could run it.

673
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: And then there's one where they're like I almost felt

674
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: like they were going to run a story and knew

675
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: that people would call him on it, so they created

676
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 3: even more of a backstory. So this is this article

677
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: from the Brooklyn Citizen in July of eighteen eighty nine

678
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: that claimed that Goldenhan once lived in Brooklyn.

679
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 2: The local girl.

680
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: How did they know this, they said? The paper said

681
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: they got a letter from an American official who was

682
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: living in Paris, who told of her exploits in the

683
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: United States, and the stories were supposedly backed up by

684
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: the recollections quote of an old Brooklyn detective, an old

685
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 3: Bertain detective who happened to be an ex Pankerton detective.

686
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: To oh, of course, was he was he named? Or

687
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 2: is he go unnamed?

688
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: Unnamed cars from the article quote Goldenhan's husband's continued. The

689
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: official like the numerous fictitious names which she adopted were

690
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: taken from all nationalities, and she regarded neither age nor

691
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: creed in choosing her victims. She ran away from two

692
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: in France, three in Germany, one in Spain, one in England,

693
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 3: and others in Italy. I had several in Russia and

694
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 3: the United States. She was in America in eighteen seventy eight,

695
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 3: and I saw her there, but she had a new

696
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 3: assumed name and was so rehabilitated in appearance that I

697
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: did not recognize her until one night after having met

698
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: her several times. The next day she disappeared with the

699
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: confiding broker's diamonds, and I did not see or hear

700
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: her again until some two or three years afterwards, when

701
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 3: she appeared in Paris. I love that he's saying, she

702
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: looks totally different, but it had to be her.

703
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw her a while back, and then I

704
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: was like, this isn't this is a new look for her.

705
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 3: The letter to the paper is supposed to be like

706
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 3: completely like unsolicited.

707
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also that it goes unnamed. He's not giving

708
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: any details that you can be like, oh not just

709
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: it's something he could confirm, but it would make sense,

710
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: like why he would come across her like, oh we

711
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: did this. She told me about this and connected to Russia.

712
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: It's just like, okay, you met goldenand okay, sure, well, let's.

713
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 3: Let's just go with it. Okay, let's it makes it worse.

714
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 2: Let's say it happen.

715
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 3: If she made it states I do like it. So

716
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: the reporter was like, I got this letter and I

717
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 3: ignored it because I thought it was stupid. I thought

718
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: he published it, you'll fight well no, Then so he

719
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 3: gets the letter. Then there's a description of this lady

720
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: con artist. That sounds familiar, So the reporter finds the

721
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: old letter and then runs the stories by an ex Pinkerton,

722
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: who said that the description from the American in Paris

723
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: was spot on with a woman he had followed in

724
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 3: Brooklyn in eighteen seventy two.

725
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: Do we think this is one of those journalists is

726
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: making up their sources and then he makes up a

727
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: source for his made up so he's now doubling down

728
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: on like that, and then he ads a whole little

729
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: I dismissed it previously, that's baby.

730
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: So apparently according to the expats god, she was calling

731
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: herself miss Pauline clan Cardi. That wow, that's she's a Russian,

732
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: pulling off like a convincing Irish woman.

733
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was the red hair.

734
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: She was living with a Frenchman, a card sharp.

735
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 2: Who hasn't done that in Brooklyn.

736
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 3: Height, right? Who among us in Brooklyn Heights?

737
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 2: So that or a saxophone player French.

738
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 3: So she'd seduce men and then the Frenchman would storm

739
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: in and act like her enraged brother, irate that someone

740
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: had taken his sister's virtue. Then they'd blackmail the guy

741
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: who was almost always married and the guy would pay

742
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: the French quote brother to keep him calm and quiet.

743
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: Huh, I was like something you'd expecting, like dead wood.

744
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so bizarre. One wealthy merchant though he'd had enough.

745
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: He contacted the detective and this is from the article quote.

746
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: It took me but a short time, said the old detective,

747
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 3: continuing his story, to find proofs of the conspiracy. But

748
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: the old merchant had not the moral courage even then

749
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: to face a public scandal. By shrewd work, the agency

750
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: for which I was then working managed to frighten the

751
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: Frenchman into leaving the country, and finding that the merchant

752
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: would no longer suffer the imposition practiced upon him, the

753
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 3: adventurous soon after word disappeared, probably to join her fellow

754
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: swindler in some new field of action. Referring to thick

755
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 3: volumes of criminal history, the detective traced the career of

756
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 3: a woman who he is sure was identical with Golden

757
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: Hand in various schemes in other parts of this country.

758
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: One thing I love about in the nineteen start, like

759
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: the eighteen nineties, eighteen eighties, they write like they have

760
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: so much time.

761
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, not a care on the world.

762
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: We're going to get to the point, but first I

763
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: want to take you through some details. It's some turns

764
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: of frames.

765
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: Slow it down.

766
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: I like that.

767
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: Slow it down every So the detective said that he

768
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 3: caught up with a woman a couple of years later

769
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: in Baltimore.

770
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 2: Oh god, he's not much At the same time.

771
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: She's supposed to be ping ponging all over Europe.

772
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: But anyways, apparently she makes her scores and comes over

773
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: to celebrate in Baltimore.

774
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: I want an eighties style T shirt that says Golden

775
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: hand with like the cities listed below, Moscow, Paris, Balta,

776
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Fresno.

777
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

778
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 3: So the detective was chasing an embezzler. This is a

779
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: guy who'd gotten the gig as the treasurer at a

780
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: religious society in New York, and then he made off

781
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: with thirty five thousand dollars of their funds. So, as

782
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: the detective described it quote, this sanctimonious fraud was a

783
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: good deal of a swell. Could see he was running

784
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: with the fancy, So the detective went undercover, as you do.

785
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: He ran with the rich and fabulous of Baltimore too.

786
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: A big Wallers mustache and had fun Oh, my god.

787
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: Yes, and so it was there that he crossed paths

788
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: with golden hand. So he told the baby.

789
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: A story story goes.

790
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: So he said that she was posing as a young

791
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: Russian heiress named Princess Nita Alexandria of Romanovmanov. I need

792
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 3: a Romanov by estimates with what he knew later, she

793
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: had to be like in her forties, but he said

794
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: she looked like she was in her twenties.

795
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: It was definitely her great skincare.

796
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the detective told the reporters. Quote. She was supposed

797
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: to be unable to speak much English and was accompanied

798
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: by a vinegar old Russian woman who passed is her

799
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: aunt and performed the functions of a chaperone with hawk

800
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: like vigilance.

801
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: Oh somebody got denied, yeah, Vinigary.

802
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: I love this quote. Quote. The Princess Nita was quite

803
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 3: the rage in Baltimore society when I made my debut

804
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: as an amateur dude, and she was certainly a captivating creature.

805
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 3: Surrounded with all the accompaniments of wealth. She was greatly

806
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: improved in appearance, though I at once recognized her as

807
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: the same blackmailer whom I had driven out of Brooklyn.

808
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: It took some time to get a trace of the

809
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: oily rascal for whom I was looking, and I saw

810
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: the princess often. She was reputed to have endless wealth,

811
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: kept a stylish turnout, and lived in a mansion taken

812
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 3: for the season.

813
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: I cannot tell which I prefer to imagine that he

814
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 2: made all this up and then he makes himself this

815
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: dude who's chasing after the golden hand and she's denying him,

816
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: but he still is there, or if this actually did

817
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: happen and he was some one and just another schmuck,

818
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: which she basically, yeah, got excited and then turned and

819
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: he got too. Now he's like, oh I ran round

820
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: of Brooklyn apprentic. Yeah, right, is like, man, come on.

821
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: Well, So one night, the detectives at this posh party

822
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: at some banker's house and he's wandering around. He found

823
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 3: a place in the conservatory to smoke a cigar, and

824
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: he's trying to keep an eye on that embezzler that

825
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: he's tracked.

826
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: And that place was not outside. No, that's awesome.

827
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so's he's tracking the embezzler with a cigar with

828
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: a cigar, wants to keep an eye on him, so

829
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: he posted up behind a plant in a conservatory and

830
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: like did a little steak out, Like he just sat

831
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: tooting on it, and like pretty soon here's the rustle

832
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 3: of a ball gown behind him and whispering. And then

833
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: a couple brushes past him and goes into an alcove

834
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: next to him. And they didn't see him, according to.

835
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 2: Him, because he was so well hidden behind the planet

836
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 2: with his cigar.

837
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: He peeked at them through the plants fronds, and he

838
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: watched the whole scene. It was very deer penthouse. He

839
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: saw princess and to quote all, a tremble with emotion

840
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 3: hanging on the arm of a scion of a leading

841
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: Baltimore family, who pressed one of her hands fervently in

842
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: the alcove. The youth dowered forth a passionate appeal, urging

843
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 3: the princess to fly with him that night, et cetera,

844
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 3: et cetera.

845
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: Pressing hands like he's pressing, touching flesh.

846
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: You're just like pressure.

847
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 2: I dare to impress upon you the rustling of fat,

848
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: feel heart beat in my hand.

849
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 3: But so then he hears Nita, who supposedly does't be English,

850
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 3: confess her love to the guy in perfect English, and

851
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: she said she was too. She said, I want to

852
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 3: run off with you tonight, come down. But I doubt

853
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: your devotion. I doubt your devotion to sparkle motion.

854
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see it in money.

855
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: Where's your commitment? So are you using me just in

856
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 3: this moment? Are you just caught up in the intoxicating

857
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: moment of it all?

858
00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 5: Like?

859
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: How do I know that you're true? What she said?

860
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: So he pulls from his pocket a handful of diamonds.

861
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 3: According to the detective, so apparently he knew he was

862
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: going to meet up with the princess and he wanted

863
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 3: to impress her, so he stole his mom's diamonds worth

864
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: ten grand, and he hands them to Nita possibly golden hand,

865
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 3: as proof of his love. And so suddenly like yeah,

866
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: the diamonds hit her golden hand. Suddenly that quote Vinegary

867
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: chaperone shows up and she's got this big scary Egor

868
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 3: dude with her. They pitch a fit and they like

869
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: whisk the princess away. Igor's like I'll meet you outside tomorrow,

870
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: I'll beat you, and so the like rich sale Sun

871
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 3: is just weeping. The next morning, Princess Nita Alexandra Romanov's

872
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 3: mansion empty, no sign of the entourage. They've skipped down her.

873
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: And then the Vinegary matron and eared.

874
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 3: Guy, they're all gone, gone gone. There were sightings by

875
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: this detective of Golden Hand and other cities before she

876
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: scooted off back to Europe. One was in Cincinnati, naturally

877
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: now she seduced a lawyer there.

878
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 2: Okay, lawyers there.

879
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 3: The back in Mother Russia, Goldenhand had become a folk hero.

880
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: Everyone loved the stories of her exploits. So it got

881
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: to the point where people were recognizing her on the

882
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: street for business.

883
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: That's never good for business. I thought people were doing

884
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: like pamphlets about her. It's all of a sudden, now

885
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: you got sketches of her.

886
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: They were writing songs.

887
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: Oh damn, and she's in.

888
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 3: The paper and everyone loves the stories of the exploits.

889
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, so it's like it's getting harder for her

890
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: to do this possible. As she got older, she also

891
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 3: got a softer touch, like not with crime but other humans.

892
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: So she became more and more charitable, and that only

893
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: enhanced her reputation as this folk hero, but also made

894
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: her more vulnerable. Her daughters were thriving. They grew up,

895
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 3: one went into the theater and they knew who their

896
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: mother was at that point, but like didn't let anyone

897
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: else know.

898
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: She became an actress a different names, natural talents exactly.

899
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: So in the end she got busted for going too big.

900
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: Thank you for asking, she I did, that's good. She

901
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 3: found herself in the court of the Czar, in the

902
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 3: presence of the Shaw of Persia.

903
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

904
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: And she tried to pull a move and take the

905
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: Shaw's jewels and got caught. She mad. She had her

906
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: private train car attached to the Shaw's special train.

907
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: Wow.

908
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 3: But then like everyone got wise.

909
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: To romance, uh huh uh huh.

910
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: One thing to hit merchants in like low level. She

911
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: went after a big dog in the biggest dog's house.

912
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the emperor visiting emperors. We can't rip

913
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 2: him off. They're both going to because and they were.

914
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: So she gets arrested. She stands trial, convicted. They shipped

915
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 3: her off to Siberia. Yeah, she wasn't there long though

916
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 3: before she seduced the war.

917
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: Of course.

918
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: So they get married and they run off married, they

919
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 3: run off together to Constantinople leaves the prison. He's like

920
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 3: run away with me. She's like, of course, I'd love

921
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: to Constantinople. Now is stanble? So she left him there

922
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: and then went back to Russia, and she was living

923
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 3: under the radar for two years before they caught her again,

924
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 3: just you know, going about her business. She goes to

925
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: trial again. When she gets caught, her defense lawyer Constantinople.

926
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: I guess not defense lawyer got to see her in action,

927
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: because like he go. After the trial, he goes to

928
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 3: visit her in prison, and she just keeps telling him

929
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: how grateful she is for his hard work, even though

930
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: she'd been sentenced to go back to Siberia. Please accept

931
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: this token of thanks, she says, and she hands him

932
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: a gold watch and chain and she puts it on

933
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: the table in front of him. He looks down and

934
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: he's like, I recognize that that's my watch, Shane. She

935
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 3: picked his pocket and presented him with his own.

936
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she should have given this.

937
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: She gets sent to Smolensk, escaped there a couple of times.

938
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she would like disguise herself as.

939
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: A soldier and oh I thought she had got she'd

940
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: seduced a soldier and got him.

941
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: She escaped. They're like Okay, we're gonna send you to

942
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 3: the prison on the island of Sokolin, Oh in the north.

943
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

944
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the territory that the Russians were fighting

945
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: with the Japanese. Yeah, very remote. She skipped out there

946
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: a couple of times too, but she would get caught

947
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: and they finally put her in solitary and she was

948
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 3: basically tortured. They kept her in chains. They sold photos

949
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: of her like that as postcards, and those became really

950
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: popular all over Russian Yeah, all chained up. The Russians

951
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: are dark souls. Dude.

952
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 2: Well I don't mean yeah whatever, but like the that's

953
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 2: just like.

954
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: She said that the postcard was the worst punishment. Of course,

955
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 3: I quote, this is such a picture of human degradation.

956
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: They tortured me with these photographs.

957
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: I completely agree. I mean it's not only did they

958
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: dehumanize her, but then they made her an image of dehumanization, right.

959
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 3: So while she was there, she had visitors.

960
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: She's the living symbol. Now, I mean that just sucks.

961
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: Anton Chekhov came calling.

962
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's like, I'm gonna name uncle Vanya after you.

963
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: He wrote, quote, looking at her, it is impossible to

964
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: believe that not long ago. She was beautiful to such

965
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: a degree that she charmed her prison guards, as she

966
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 3: did in Smolensk, for example, where the overseer helped her

967
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 3: to escape and himself ran away with her. He described

968
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: her as quote, small, skinny, already graying woman with a

969
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: crumpled old womanish face. And at this point she's in

970
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 3: her late forties. So it took a toll, but it

971
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: sounds like Tiberia is, oh god, five or so years

972
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: later though she's doing better.

973
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: I'd be willing to bet you if you look back.

974
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: She was like, you know, let me tell you a

975
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: little story about his shotgun.

976
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: There's this article in the Southern Daily Echo in Hampshire,

977
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 3: England that relayed the experiences of a man who visited

978
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 3: the Russian penal settlements. They're in sucklin' quote. Books have

979
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 3: been written and songs sung throughout Russia about the Golden

980
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 3: Hand who now lives in a pretty cottage on the

981
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 3: outskirts of Raikovskaya. I did not say that, and supplies

982
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 3: the village with eggs and vegetables. Sophie Bluffstein the name

983
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: she was using that did you have the gardeners and

984
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: chicken shoes keeping, received me very graciously and we passed

985
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 3: a pleasant hour together. For my hostess spoke French and

986
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 3: German fluently and was not unacquainted with London. She's a small,

987
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: slightly built woman with sharp, clearly cut features and clear

988
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 3: blue eyes and still shows traces of beauty that even

989
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 3: prison life has failed to obliterate. So they chat about

990
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: London and Paris. She's like, I love Paris. London's almost

991
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: as depressing as sad and sad as here. Yeah, so

992
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 3: like way to exaggerate, the author. Yeah, the author notes

993
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: at the end of his account, quote notwithstand. She is

994
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: a pleasant, cheerful little person. She's a cheerful little gal.

995
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 3: So she she died in nineteen oh two in Sokolen.

996
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: In addition to the folk songs, she was immortalized in

997
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 3: Russian films and literature. There's TV you know series. What's

998
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 3: wild is that there's this headless statue in a cemetery

999
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: in Moscow that is said to be her grave. Headless,

1000
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: it's just stylized, kind of just this body. There's debate

1001
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 3: about whether that is her grave, because a lot of

1002
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: people are like, she's actually buried in Siberia, but most

1003
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: believe that she's buried in that cemetery and it's become

1004
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: this place of pilgrimage.

1005
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 2: I love that.

1006
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: So her admirers to this day leave tokens and seek

1007
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 3: like spiritual assistance in their criming.

1008
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: Really, there are.

1009
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: Messages there that say stuff like sonya help us to

1010
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: become good thieves.

1011
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: She is a patron saint of crime.

1012
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 3: Crime. Yeah wow, so Zaren, what does your ridiculous takeaway?

1013
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: But of course Russia would have patron saints of crime.

1014
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: I love that. It's like the Narcolero. It's like, oh, yes,

1015
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,479
Speaker 2: we have we have songs about crime, we have patron

1016
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 2: saints and crime. Rushia is like, yes, we.

1017
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 3: Understand, we have the queen, we have crime. What is yours?

1018
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: Elizabeth? What's your ridiculous take I wish?

1019
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 3: Oh my god, thank you so much. Thank you Elizabeth

1020
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 3: for asking Elizabeth. I was really shocked. I have never

1021
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 3: heard of her, stumbled upon her.

1022
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: What an incredible name, credible story.

1023
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: What's interesting, too, is that there was like a TV

1024
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 3: series I think like in the nineties. Yeah, in Russia

1025
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 3: that they a lot of news articles tell her story

1026
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: based on that. But then there's I found an interview

1027
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 3: in a Russian language paper that I translated out where

1028
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, we made up like ninety percent of

1029
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 3: the story and so, but people didn't find that. So

1030
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 3: it's really hard parsing.

1031
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: Out, like you had to go to that question papers.

1032
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was I I just can't believe we

1033
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: haven't heard more about her. She's fascinating.

1034
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: That's a great story. But also, how are you going

1035
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: to try to rip off the shop Persia while he's

1036
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: hanging out with the Emperor of Russia?

1037
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, come on.

1038
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 2: I guess she was just desperate, wanted like her retirement,

1039
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: like one last.

1040
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 3: One that was less Probably it I think we need

1041
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: to talk about.

1042
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, we do produci D. Can you favor us

1043
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: with one? Super?

1044
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 3: I went cheap?

1045
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 5: I had a fourth grade student commit a ridiculous crime.

1046
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 5: What she did was independently right in print permission slips

1047
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 5: for the class to go to the zoo and then

1048
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 5: to Walmart to practice being Walmart greeters. It was five

1049
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 5: dollars cash that must be paid to her. She is

1050
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 5: the teacher's aid for the field trip, and she collected

1051
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 5: over fifty dollars in cash from her classmates. She would

1052
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 5: have gotten away with it, except on the day of

1053
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 5: the supposed field trip, a parent called to see if

1054
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 5: their child needed to bring lunch.

1055
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, our little golden han Wow that is

1056
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 3: that is brilliant and funny and terrifying. Yea god bless Look.

1057
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 3: You gotta gotta take care of your that's it for today.

1058
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 3: Who is a good one? You can find us online

1059
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 3: at ridiculous crime dot com. We're on blueskide Instagram. You

1060
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 3: can email us ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. Of

1061
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,080
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1062
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 3: But then also we have episodes on YouTube now, so

1063
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 3: we're trying to make it easier for people who use

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Speaker 3: YouTube as like they're everything player. We're gonna start putting

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1066
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1067
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1070
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Speaker 3: It's so cute. Yeah, watching the dog.

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Speaker 2: Did a great job.

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Speaker 2: You have a different channel that channel, but a different

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Speaker 2: stuff you want here here right.

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