Speaker 1: Previously on Number one.
Speaker 2: Dad, it may have been the greatest scam for a
Speaker 2: sports fan, posing as a Sports Illustrated Kids reporter with
Speaker 2: your dad and getting into all the games, not to
Speaker 2: mention the locker rooms was.
Speaker 1: A kid, Did you love it?
Speaker 3: Nor would you get tired of it?
Speaker 4: Eventually I got tired of it. My dad was a
Speaker 4: comment in everyday life. I love sports, he loved lying.
Speaker 3: Sully is very young.
Speaker 5: But let's say that he hears about all the stuff
Speaker 5: that you and your dad did, Madison Square Garden, meeting
Speaker 5: all these athletes. What if he wants to try it
Speaker 5: with you?
Speaker 3: With you, what would you say?
Speaker 4: I would say that those are different times and that
Speaker 4: it's always best to be honest. And my role model
Speaker 4: wasn't the best role model, and I'm trying to be
Speaker 4: the best role model for you.
Speaker 5: You didn't tell me a lot about your father for
Speaker 5: a long time.
Speaker 1: That's my wife Ali.
Speaker 4: When we first started dating, I kept her in the
Speaker 4: dark about my relationship with my dad.
Speaker 5: He was kind of a really big mystery. I knew
Speaker 5: that your relationship with him was strained, that you didn't
Speaker 5: speak to him, But then you know, when you told
Speaker 5: me a bunch of the different stories and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: I mean, it blew my mind. Honestly, it was obvious
Speaker 5: that it had impacted your.
Speaker 1: Life, Manny Veter.
Speaker 4: My father was a full blooded comment who never told
Speaker 4: the truth about anything.
Speaker 1: Ever.
Speaker 4: As a teenager, I couldn't stand the way he was,
Speaker 4: so twenty four years ago I cut him out of
Speaker 4: my life completely. We didn't speak, no emails or texts.
Speaker 4: I didn't want anything to do with them. But I
Speaker 4: just had a son of my own, which brought up
Speaker 4: a ton of old memories of my childhood and made
Speaker 4: me wonder, where is my dad now?
Speaker 5: You better hope that your dad doesn't find out about
Speaker 5: this before you're ready to talk to him.
Speaker 1: What do you think he would do if he finds out?
Speaker 5: I mean, based off of everything you've told me, he
Speaker 5: would probably sue everybody involved.
Speaker 1: This is number one death.
Speaker 3: Gary.
Speaker 4: What's up man?
Speaker 1: Hey buddy.
Speaker 4: That's my producer, Adam Lowett. I've known him for a while.
Speaker 4: We met back when I was an intern at The
Speaker 4: Daily Show in two thousand and six. When he was
Speaker 4: working there, I used to have to get him coffee
Speaker 4: and bagels every morning. He's incredibly talented. I owe him
Speaker 4: big time. For being a part of this and frankly,
Speaker 4: I couldn't do it without him. He also wrote to Centro,
Speaker 4: so I did some investigating, and I basically, I mean,
Speaker 4: as far as investigating goes, it's nothing crazy. I searched
Speaker 4: him on Google and I was able to find out
Speaker 4: that he's been a defendant or plaintiff in twenty three
Speaker 4: court cases since nineteen eighty four. That's just too good.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there's even more.
Speaker 4: This is just from a Google search, but some of
Speaker 4: the cases that came up. He sued her she Park,
Speaker 4: claiming he broke a rib on one of their rye
Speaker 4: he did a slip and fall at our hometown movie
Speaker 4: theater and then took them to court. And he also
Speaker 4: sued Geico a bunch for what I presume are all
Speaker 4: false insurance claims. I also unblocked him on Facebook and
Speaker 4: I couldn't see anything other than his friend list and
Speaker 4: his profile pick.
Speaker 1: But his profile pick is of him and Joe Biden.
Speaker 4: And how he did that, How he met Joe Biden
Speaker 4: that I don't know.
Speaker 6: But where they at Madison Square Guarden.
Speaker 1: No, And that's the other thing.
Speaker 4: I assume he didn't meet him legitimately but like, how
Speaker 4: are you meeting the president under you know, non legitimate terms?
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's so fascinating.
Speaker 4: But this is the thing, this is how I grew up.
Speaker 4: But so far, this is all I was able to find.
Speaker 4: So paid right, that would that would be nice? Uh?
Speaker 4: And that would make that would make this podcast much
Speaker 4: easier too, if paid you three dollars a monthly?
Speaker 7: Fe right?
Speaker 2: And I know he said, you're going to go talk
Speaker 2: to your mom soon and ask her to be on
Speaker 2: the podcast.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing.
Speaker 4: I have shows this weekend and I'm going to be traveling,
Speaker 4: so I can't can't do it till early next week.
Speaker 4: I'm going to bring Ali with me when I go
Speaker 4: meet her, so that should hopefully.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: I think my mom will be open to talking if
Speaker 4: Ali's there, that's like my best shot.
Speaker 1: And I'm also going to bring Sullivan along too.
Speaker 4: And I know I'm pulling the same kind of moves
Speaker 4: bringing Sali along the same way my dad would bring
Speaker 4: me along to soften people up. But I feel our
Speaker 4: situations are pretty different and it also worked. My father
Speaker 4: was the ultimate shyster who is a master at manipulating
Speaker 4: the court system. He was so confident in his knowledge
Speaker 4: of law that he even represented himself in the divorce
Speaker 4: between him and my mom. He was always one step
Speaker 4: ahead of my mother's legal representation. He knew how to
Speaker 4: delay the proceedings, costing my mother thousands of dollars attorney's fees.
Speaker 4: Their divorce started when I was fifteen years old and
Speaker 4: dragged on for ten years, and in the end, my
Speaker 4: father took everything, including my childhood home. Their divorce was
Speaker 4: finalized in two thousand and five. That is literally the
Speaker 4: last time my mom and I set his name out
Speaker 4: loud to each other. And in a few days I'm
Speaker 4: going to go to her house to ask her to
Speaker 4: break the silence.
Speaker 8: How are you feeling about everything?
Speaker 4: I mean this, obviously, this whole thing is very heavy
Speaker 4: and just I mean I haven't talked about my dad
Speaker 4: ever to her, and just even me talking out loud,
Speaker 4: you know, and you know, to you, And to be
Speaker 4: doing this publicly is a lot. Talking about my father
Speaker 4: and eventually seeking him out is going to bring up
Speaker 4: a lot of emotions that I buried a long time ago.
Speaker 4: So I thought it'd be best to sit down with
Speaker 4: my therapist. But Beata Spinelli, who also happened to help
Speaker 4: my wife Ali and I when we did couples countsling
Speaker 4: a few years back.
Speaker 9: I really want to honor that you're coming in to
Speaker 9: do this individual work. I recalling couple's work was sort
Speaker 9: of difficult to.
Speaker 2: Talk about your dad and your family history with your dad.
Speaker 4: I talked to Ali about it, and I said that
Speaker 4: I'm going to go back to Babta and talk to
Speaker 4: her about my dad. It's so weird for me to
Speaker 4: even say my dad because it's like I normally refer
Speaker 4: to him. I call him Manny, I call him by
Speaker 4: his first name.
Speaker 9: I do recall how hard it was for you to
Speaker 9: speak about your dad, and it was hard to even
Speaker 9: bring him in as someone that had been somewhat part
Speaker 9: of your life.
Speaker 4: One of the things that made me stop caring about
Speaker 4: my father because of the way that he treated my mom.
Speaker 9: Is she aware Gary that you're thinking of, you know,
Speaker 9: baby meeting your father?
Speaker 4: Just no, So I have to That's another thing that
Speaker 4: I have to talk to her, and that's you know,
Speaker 4: that's a it's a tough thing to bring up my dad,
Speaker 4: so you.
Speaker 9: Need to be prepared of her reaction.
Speaker 4: When I was a teenager, the arguments between my parents
Speaker 4: became it every day occurrence. My father's constant schemes and
Speaker 4: court cases began to take its toll on my family,
Speaker 4: and bills were piling up. My mom told my dad
Speaker 4: she wanted a divorce, and that's when things got really bad.
Speaker 4: To make matters worse, my father put me in the
Speaker 4: middle of it.
Speaker 9: Gary, it sounds like you had to find ways to
Speaker 9: survive at a young age.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, if I asked him for lunch money
Speaker 4: in high school, he would say, ask your mom, even
Speaker 4: though lunch is a dollar fifty five, So then I'd
Speaker 4: ask her, And then she wasn't working. She was a
Speaker 4: stay at home mom, so she only had money that
Speaker 4: my father would give her, which was in a good
Speaker 4: situation of being when they obviously are having problems, and
Speaker 4: he stopped giving her money. So him telling me to
Speaker 4: ask my mom, who he knows doesn't have any money
Speaker 4: or maybe only has a few dollars, winds up being like, well,
Speaker 4: why if you have the money, why can't you just
Speaker 4: get Why am I in the middle of this? And
Speaker 4: then eventually I just started photocopying dollar bills so I
Speaker 4: could give that to the lunch lady. And then my
Speaker 4: dad found out about that, and then instead of giving
Speaker 4: me money, he's just started helping me photocopy dollar bills
Speaker 4: to make him look more realistic.
Speaker 9: Your photo copy dollar bills right for lunch money. What
Speaker 9: I'm noticing, Gary, is that your dad didn't just model
Speaker 9: these questionable behaviors, but he encouraged it.
Speaker 4: However, I do think of things that he did that
Speaker 4: was great too, And that's kind of what brings me
Speaker 4: here is that, you know, I don't know if it
Speaker 4: was all bad.
Speaker 9: You're about to enter into a pretty intense journey. Are
Speaker 9: you afraid at all about how things are going to
Speaker 9: turn out?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm afraid.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be talking to a whole bunch of
Speaker 4: different people that are from my past and my dad's past,
Speaker 4: and there's a chance that somebody may reach out to
Speaker 4: him before I'm even ready to talk to him. And
Speaker 4: you know, there's also like, if I opened the door
Speaker 4: to him, there's a chance that he hurts me and
Speaker 4: my family all over again. As a comic, I'm on
Speaker 4: the road all the time, and right now I'm traveling
Speaker 4: with comedians Sam Morrell. Sam is one of the funniest
Speaker 4: people and one of my close friends. We have a
Speaker 4: lot in common too. Aside from being comedians, we both
Speaker 4: have strained relationships with our biological fathers.
Speaker 10: It's funny, I've knew you for years before I knew
Speaker 10: this stuff. So I was like, oh, Gary's like a
Speaker 10: normal guy, but like everyone's got their thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: When I started doing stand up, because of my relationship
Speaker 4: with my father and how I didn't want to like
Speaker 4: have my last name become anything veet, I went as
Speaker 4: Gary Roy basically because of Rodney Dangerfield was Jack Roy.
Speaker 4: So I was like you and as Gary Roy yeah
Speaker 4: for like the first six months, and I was just like,
Speaker 4: let me try and build something and stand up under
Speaker 4: this you know, pseudonym. And it was just so whenever
Speaker 4: somebody would bring me up, it just didn't it didn't
Speaker 4: feel right. Yeah. So, I mean one of the things
Speaker 4: that I don't do and you do is I don't
Speaker 4: talk about my dad at all on my act.
Speaker 10: It's unusual because you actually, for a joke, I are
Speaker 10: pretty autobiographical. A lot of joke people who do the
Speaker 10: misdirect style that you do, it's like all lies, but
Speaker 10: you're very honest in your act.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really do.
Speaker 10: But you avoid that, but you do avoid that.
Speaker 4: I avoid it, and part of my thinking I don't
Speaker 4: want to give my dad any credit. I don't want
Speaker 4: him to think that I came up with a joke
Speaker 4: for him, and then I'm thinking about him.
Speaker 10: It's for you at the end, I know, like that
Speaker 10: to me, that says that you have anger toward him,
Speaker 10: and you should the fact that you don't want to
Speaker 10: give him anything, right, But I mean, you're making this
Speaker 10: podcast from meet like early bits where like you know,
Speaker 10: people would say, you know, is your biological father or
Speaker 10: good dad? And I'd be like, if he were, I
Speaker 10: probably wouldn't refer to him as my biological father.
Speaker 1: Love that jet they were quick laughs.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It's like I showed Ali a picture of him
Speaker 4: once and she was like, you look like him, and
Speaker 4: I was like, it makes me so upset.
Speaker 10: How do you feel about looking like someone that you
Speaker 10: don't like?
Speaker 4: I know, it's tough. I mean I wish I looked
Speaker 4: like you know, Bradley Cooper. I wish that was the case.
Speaker 4: I didn't really feel like I had an incredibly fulfilling childhood.
Speaker 4: My parents were constantly fighting, and to a point where
Speaker 4: they weren't physically fighting but it was crazy yelling that
Speaker 4: would constantly go on where cops would get called by.
Speaker 1: Either my mom or my dad. Damn.
Speaker 4: And it's pretty embarrassing when you're a kid living in
Speaker 4: a pretty like nice house and cops would just be outside,
Speaker 4: and you know, I have friends in the neighborhood where
Speaker 4: next day at school they'd be like.
Speaker 1: So, why were cops outside? And you kind of just
Speaker 1: curl into a ball where you're just like, oh.
Speaker 4: It was just had like a little health scare in
Speaker 4: the house, just trying to make up anything, not knowing
Speaker 4: if they buy it or not. I would be so embarrassed.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even have friends come over my entire high
Speaker 4: school life. I didn't have friends come over my house.
Speaker 4: I was too embarrassed because I didn't know what was
Speaker 4: going to happen between my parents.
Speaker 10: Damn.
Speaker 4: By the spring of my sophomore year of high school,
Speaker 4: I knew there was no way I was going to
Speaker 4: be able to make it another two years living under
Speaker 4: the same roof as my parents. Both my sisters had
Speaker 4: left for college, and I was all alone. It was
Speaker 4: just me and my dog Kobe. I knew some kids
Speaker 4: through playing hockey that went to a private boarding school
Speaker 4: in Massachusetts, and I saw this as my way out.
Speaker 4: So I filled out all the paperwork, and in a
Speaker 4: surprise joint decision, my parents both agreed to send me away.
Speaker 4: You know, most teenagers would be upset if they were
Speaker 4: sent to boarding school. I, on the other hand, was
Speaker 4: glad to go.
Speaker 10: Did you blame me they're your parents, or did you
Speaker 10: like they're just both they can't get it together?
Speaker 4: Well, I was blaming my dad, and like I was
Speaker 4: really you know, when I was saying I had a
Speaker 4: bad childhood, it's tough because my childhood is what also
Speaker 4: shaped me to be who I am.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: I mean, you have to appreciate your experiences, I think
Speaker 4: and look at the positive things that have come from it.
Speaker 4: So at the time, I was definitely angry, more angry
Speaker 4: at my dad than my mom. It seemed my dad
Speaker 4: was really mistreating my mom and I didn't understand why.
Speaker 4: And he would talk to me about it and he'd
Speaker 4: be like, when you get older, you'll understand. Well, it's
Speaker 4: like I'm older and making a whole podcast to try
Speaker 4: and figure this shit out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Was he a charming guy though?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he would get things out of people that that,
Speaker 4: you know, you'd be surprised he'd be able to pull
Speaker 4: off anything. I mean, you know the you know, the
Speaker 4: sports stories that he was able to do. And then
Speaker 4: he has some other other con stuff that I've heard
Speaker 4: stories about that I'm gonna ask other family members.
Speaker 10: Well, you ever worried for safety. I mean, this is
Speaker 10: like kind of sketchy stuff.
Speaker 4: I blocked it out for so long, But as a kid,
Speaker 4: people were constantly showing up at our house pissed at
Speaker 4: my father, yelling at him on our front lawn, and
Speaker 4: it was always about money. I remember one instance when
Speaker 4: a man dressed in a suit rang the doorbell like
Speaker 4: fifty times in a row. My dad told my family
Speaker 4: to be quiet and not answer the door. Then this
Speaker 4: guy walks around to the back of our house and
Speaker 4: starts looking through our windows. He was relentless because then
Speaker 4: he just sat in his car waiting in our driveway.
Speaker 4: A little while later, realizing he wasn't leaving, my dad
Speaker 4: took off all his clothes and walked out in nothing
Speaker 4: but a towel, apologizing that he'd just gotten out of
Speaker 4: the shower and hadn't heard the doorbell. He then handed
Speaker 4: the guy an envelope full of cash.
Speaker 10: Do you ask your mom ever about this?
Speaker 1: No, wouldn't We went and talk about it to this today.
Speaker 4: I have not talked to my mom about my father
Speaker 4: in twenty four years.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't mentioned him. She has no idea I'm
Speaker 4: doing this podcast yet. I'm going to her house with
Speaker 4: Ali as soon as we get off the road. I'm
Speaker 4: going to ask her if she'll be on it, and
Speaker 4: I have no idea what she'll say.
Speaker 10: Be great at the end of this podcast, your dad
Speaker 10: just like charms you today. He cons you and you're
Speaker 10: just another victim of this. You're like, it's possible. I
Speaker 10: turned out he was a great guy and I was wrong.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm opening up Pandora's box by letting
Speaker 4: him into my life. For sure. It's so crazy to
Speaker 4: think about my parents being married. I have zero memories
Speaker 4: of them being happy together or even liking each other.
Speaker 4: But I know it happened because I found this old
Speaker 4: tape of them on vacation.
Speaker 6: Hi, honey, right, what do you want to get to say?
Speaker 1: Letting the kids.
Speaker 3: Having a great time too?
Speaker 4: Bid?
Speaker 3: You couldn't make it.
Speaker 1: That's them in the Cayman Isle.
Speaker 4: But even my parents' vacation was rooted in one of
Speaker 4: my father's lies. The only way they were able to
Speaker 4: go was because my dad entered a contest in the
Speaker 4: early nineties on Fox five's Good Day New York. They
Speaker 4: were looking for someone with the worst first date story,
Speaker 4: and the winner got a free trip to the Caribbean.
Speaker 4: This was a walk in the park for my father.
Speaker 1: He went on live.
Speaker 4: TV, where his completely fabricated story beat out three other contestants.
Speaker 6: We really miss your kids, We really do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mommy, you miss Gary.
Speaker 3: Oh, I miss Gary and miss Scanny.
Speaker 5: I really do think that used your practice because you're
Speaker 5: told where your mother is terrible.
Speaker 3: You can't be nasty while you're asking her for a fever.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be. It's not asking her favorite.
Speaker 4: So here I am driving to my mom's house with
Speaker 4: Ali and our son Sullivan to ask if she'll be
Speaker 4: on the podcast.
Speaker 3: When is the last time that you spoke about your
Speaker 3: father with your mom?
Speaker 1: When?
Speaker 3: Seriously when never.
Speaker 5: We've been together ten years and I have not once
Speaker 5: heard your mom mention your dad ever, like ever, even
Speaker 5: when she talks about like you as a baby, or
Speaker 5: your childhood.
Speaker 3: Or anything like that. I've never once heard her mention him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's not a big fan.
Speaker 5: You know, obviously she's not meaning that has not been
Speaker 5: a topic of conversation in ten years. And you can't
Speaker 5: even have a conversation with her about like egg salad.
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I think your mother is going to
Speaker 3: be so taken aback.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, what are you gonna say?
Speaker 4: I am going to say that I am doing a
Speaker 4: podcast and don't doing it about well, I'm going to
Speaker 4: get to that. I want to say, I'm doing a podcast.
Speaker 4: It's about my childhood, but it's mainly about my relationship
Speaker 4: with my father, and I'm interviewing different people, people that
Speaker 4: know him, and you know him, don't you. Well, so
Speaker 4: say something like that, Yeah, I may need your help
Speaker 4: on this.
Speaker 3: You need me to put it by two cents.
Speaker 4: In just here and there, Like, God, you're gonna be
Speaker 4: there when I'm saying I know.
Speaker 3: And I'm like so uncomfortable about it.
Speaker 8: All right, boy, you're ready, yep, as ready as I'll
Speaker 8: ever be.
Speaker 6: God. All right, Sally, see Granny.
Speaker 4: Despite all my preparation, I was still nervous about bringing
Speaker 4: up my father to my mom. I kept waiting for
Speaker 4: the perfect moment, but there is never a right time
Speaker 4: to bring up the man who made her life. Hell,
Speaker 4: so as we sat down for lunch, I decided it
Speaker 4: was now or never. So I have something to tell you.
Speaker 4: It's good news. I sold the podcast to iHeartRadio. But
Speaker 4: there is a catch.
Speaker 1: It's about my father.
Speaker 4: That sound you heard was my mom's fork literally dropping
Speaker 4: out of her hand.
Speaker 1: Well, that didn't go as I'd hoped.
Speaker 5: That was really intense, and my heart breaks for your mom.
Speaker 5: That's the first time I've ever seen you and your
Speaker 5: mom cry together, which was like.
Speaker 3: Pretty nuts.
Speaker 5: I think you need to understand her hesitation, obviously because
Speaker 5: your father hasn't gone after you the past twenty years.
Speaker 1: You know, I went in there and wanted to ask
Speaker 1: her to help me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but in helping you, I mean I.
Speaker 1: Blocked out a lot of those things.
Speaker 4: I realized that her experience, although my experience was also bad,
Speaker 4: she had it even you know, she had it the worst.
Speaker 11: And you know, I mean the fact that she was
Speaker 11: even she was even talking to me about the things yeah,
Speaker 11: that we never talked about before, was I mean, that
Speaker 11: was amazing.
Speaker 5: And you're her mother clawed her way out of an
Speaker 5: unbelievably impossible situation, the potential for there to be any
Speaker 5: repercussions on her Negatively, of course, why would your mother
Speaker 5: want to do that.
Speaker 4: He made her life a living health and right now
Speaker 4: he's not any has nothing to do with her life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this would open up the door, even if.
Speaker 4: She doesn't say anything bad, like than any of the
Speaker 4: bad stuff, which you know would obviously give them more
Speaker 4: reason to come after her.
Speaker 3: But I get just mentioning his name.
Speaker 5: I get what you're looking for, the origin story, anything
Speaker 5: like that, But I think her fears that if he
Speaker 5: even hears her speaking his name.
Speaker 3: It's ammunition.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do.
Speaker 3: You're gonna keep going.
Speaker 5: I mean, her not saying anything from the woman who
Speaker 5: would do anything for you, which I believe your mother
Speaker 5: would in a heartbeat, speaks volumes. It validates that he
Speaker 5: even more. You know, I was not expecting you to cry.
Speaker 5: I feel closer to your mother, But that also must
Speaker 5: have been really hard for you, Like you were crying
Speaker 5: with your mom. When's the last time your mom saw
Speaker 5: you cry? I don't know exactly, because you buried a
Speaker 5: lot of this stuff.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're gonna cry again.
Speaker 3: It's okay, Babida Bibeta. We in an emergency session.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is, I'm not going to be able
Speaker 1: to control him as.
Speaker 7: Much as I remember him being a piece of garbage
Speaker 7: in my childhood. I I wish, you know, I wish
Speaker 7: he was just like the Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 3: Story, But it's not.
Speaker 5: You can twist like the Sports Illustrated stuff like you
Speaker 5: can you can play with a lot of the things
Speaker 5: that happened to shed a positive light on them. There
Speaker 5: is it's impossible to shed a positive light on any
Speaker 5: of your mom's experience.
Speaker 3: That's the problem.
Speaker 5: And even if she's talking about their first date and
Speaker 5: stuff like that, it's still mentioning him.
Speaker 3: Listen, we're doing this, We're in this, and I'm with
Speaker 3: you till the freaking end.
Speaker 5: But I think you saying, and you are very smart,
Speaker 5: but you can what you just said, you cannot control him,
Speaker 5: I think is right. Don't underestimate the power of what
Speaker 5: could happen.
Speaker 1: On the next episode of Number one Dad.
Speaker 4: So what do you think is the hardest part about
Speaker 4: having a comment for a father?
Speaker 5: It was the domino effect of one lie after another
Speaker 5: led to our family really just falling apart.
Speaker 6: Maybe I was naive at the time, but he knew
Speaker 6: how to do certain things.
Speaker 1: He knew how to manipulate people.
Speaker 12: He had met Obama, but the way he would explain
Speaker 12: it was that, you know, he had a tight relationship
Speaker 12: with him.
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