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Speaker 1: Previously on Number one.

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Speaker 2: Dad, it may have been the greatest scam for a

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Speaker 2: sports fan, posing as a Sports Illustrated Kids reporter with

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Speaker 2: your dad and getting into all the games, not to

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Speaker 1: A kid, Did you love it?

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Speaker 3: Nor would you get tired of it?

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Speaker 4: Eventually I got tired of it. My dad was a

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Speaker 4: comment in everyday life. I love sports, he loved lying.

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Speaker 3: Sully is very young.

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Speaker 5: But let's say that he hears about all the stuff

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Speaker 5: that you and your dad did, Madison Square Garden, meeting

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Speaker 5: all these athletes. What if he wants to try it

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Speaker 3: With you, what would you say?

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Speaker 4: I would say that those are different times and that

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Speaker 4: it's always best to be honest. And my role model

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Speaker 4: wasn't the best role model, and I'm trying to be

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Speaker 4: the best role model for you.

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Speaker 5: You didn't tell me a lot about your father for

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Speaker 1: That's my wife Ali.

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Speaker 4: When we first started dating, I kept her in the

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Speaker 5: He was kind of a really big mystery. I knew

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Speaker 5: that your relationship with him was strained, that you didn't

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Speaker 5: I mean, it blew my mind. Honestly, it was obvious

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Speaker 1: Life, Manny Veter.

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Speaker 4: My father was a full blooded comment who never told

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Speaker 1: Ever.

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Speaker 4: As a teenager, I couldn't stand the way he was,

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Speaker 4: I didn't want anything to do with them. But I

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Speaker 4: me wonder, where is my dad now?

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Speaker 5: You better hope that your dad doesn't find out about

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Speaker 1: What do you think he would do if he finds out?

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Speaker 5: I mean, based off of everything you've told me, he

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Speaker 1: This is number one death.

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Speaker 3: Gary.

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Speaker 4: What's up man?

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Speaker 1: Hey buddy.

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Speaker 4: That's my producer, Adam Lowett. I've known him for a while.

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Speaker 4: We met back when I was an intern at The

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Speaker 4: Daily Show in two thousand and six. When he was

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Speaker 4: and bagels every morning. He's incredibly talented. I owe him

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Speaker 4: big time. For being a part of this and frankly,

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Speaker 4: I couldn't do it without him. He also wrote to Centro,

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Speaker 4: so I did some investigating, and I basically, I mean,

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Speaker 4: as far as investigating goes, it's nothing crazy. I searched

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Speaker 4: that he's been a defendant or plaintiff in twenty three

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Speaker 4: court cases since nineteen eighty four. That's just too good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there's even more.

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Speaker 4: This is just from a Google search, but some of

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Speaker 4: the cases that came up. He sued her she Park,

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Speaker 4: claiming he broke a rib on one of their rye

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Speaker 4: sued Geico a bunch for what I presume are all

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Speaker 4: I couldn't see anything other than his friend list and

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Speaker 4: his profile pick.

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Speaker 1: But his profile pick is of him and Joe Biden.

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Speaker 4: And how he did that, How he met Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: that I don't know.

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Speaker 6: But where they at Madison Square Guarden.

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Speaker 1: No, And that's the other thing.

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Speaker 4: I assume he didn't meet him legitimately but like, how

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Speaker 4: are you meeting the president under you know, non legitimate terms?

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's so fascinating.

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Speaker 4: But this is the thing, this is how I grew up.

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Speaker 4: But so far, this is all I was able to find.

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Speaker 4: So paid right, that would that would be nice? Uh?

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Speaker 4: And that would make that would make this podcast much

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Speaker 4: easier too, if paid you three dollars a monthly?

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Speaker 7: Fe right?

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Speaker 2: And I know he said, you're going to go talk

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Speaker 1: So that's the thing.

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Speaker 4: I have shows this weekend and I'm going to be traveling,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to bring Ali with me when I go

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Speaker 4: meet her, so that should hopefully.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: I think my mom will be open to talking if

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Speaker 1: And I'm also going to bring Sullivan along too.

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Speaker 4: And I know I'm pulling the same kind of moves

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Speaker 4: bringing Sali along the same way my dad would bring

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Speaker 4: the court system. He was so confident in his knowledge

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Speaker 4: last time my mom and I set his name out

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Speaker 8: How are you feeling about everything?

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Speaker 4: I mean this, obviously, this whole thing is very heavy

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Speaker 4: and just I mean I haven't talked about my dad

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Speaker 4: you know, and you know, to you, And to be

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Speaker 4: doing this publicly is a lot. Talking about my father

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Speaker 4: a lot of emotions that I buried a long time ago.

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Speaker 4: So I thought it'd be best to sit down with

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Speaker 9: I really want to honor that you're coming in to

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Speaker 9: do this individual work. I recalling couple's work was sort

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Speaker 2: Talk about your dad and your family history with your dad.

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Speaker 4: I talked to Ali about it, and I said that

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Speaker 9: I do recall how hard it was for you to

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Speaker 4: One of the things that made me stop caring about

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Speaker 9: Is she aware Gary that you're thinking of, you know,

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Speaker 4: Just no, So I have to That's another thing that

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Speaker 9: Need to be prepared of her reaction.

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Speaker 4: When I was a teenager, the arguments between my parents

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Speaker 4: To make matters worse, my father put me in the

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Speaker 9: Gary, it sounds like you had to find ways to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, if I asked him for lunch money

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Speaker 9: Your photo copy dollar bills right for lunch money. What

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Speaker 9: I'm noticing, Gary, is that your dad didn't just model

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Speaker 4: However, I do think of things that he did that

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Speaker 9: You're about to enter into a pretty intense journey. Are

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Speaker 4: with comedians Sam Morrell. Sam is one of the funniest

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Speaker 10: It's funny, I've knew you for years before I knew

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Speaker 10: this stuff. So I was like, oh, Gary's like a

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Speaker 10: normal guy, but like everyone's got their thing.

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Speaker 4: When I started doing stand up, because of my relationship

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Speaker 4: Gary Roy basically because of Rodney Dangerfield was Jack Roy.

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Speaker 10: It's unusual because you actually, for a joke, I are

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Speaker 10: pretty autobiographical. A lot of joke people who do the

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Speaker 10: misdirect style that you do, it's like all lies, but

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Speaker 10: But you avoid that, but you do avoid that.

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Speaker 4: I avoid it, and part of my thinking I don't

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Speaker 10: Did you blame me they're your parents, or did you

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Speaker 10: Well, you ever worried for safety. I mean, this is

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Speaker 10: Do you ask your mom ever about this?

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Speaker 4: I have not talked to my mom about my father

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't mentioned him. She has no idea I'm

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Speaker 10: Be great at the end of this podcast, your dad

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm opening up Pandora's box by letting

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Speaker 6: Hi, honey, right, what do you want to get to say?

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Speaker 3: Having a great time too?

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Speaker 3: You couldn't make it.

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Speaker 4: This was a walk in the park for my father.

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Speaker 1: He went on live.

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Speaker 6: We really miss your kids, We really do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mommy, you miss Gary.

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Speaker 5: I really do think that used your practice because you're

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Speaker 3: You can't be nasty while you're asking her for a fever.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to be. It's not asking her favorite.

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Speaker 3: When is the last time that you spoke about your

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Speaker 1: When?

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Speaker 3: Seriously when never.

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Speaker 5: We've been together ten years and I have not once

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Speaker 3: Or anything like that. I've never once heard her mention him.

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Speaker 5: You know, obviously she's not meaning that has not been

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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I think your mother is going to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, what are you gonna say?

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Speaker 4: It's about my childhood, but it's mainly about my relationship

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Speaker 3: You need me to put it by two cents.

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Speaker 6: God. All right, Sally, see Granny.

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Speaker 4: Despite all my preparation, I was still nervous about bringing

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Speaker 4: It's good news. I sold the podcast to iHeartRadio. But

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Speaker 1: It's about my father.

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Speaker 4: That sound you heard was my mom's fork literally dropping

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Speaker 1: Well, that didn't go as I'd hoped.

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Speaker 5: That was really intense, and my heart breaks for your mom.

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Speaker 5: That's the first time I've ever seen you and your

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Speaker 5: I think you need to understand her hesitation, obviously because

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Speaker 1: You know, I went in there and wanted to ask

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but in helping you, I mean I.

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Speaker 4: I realized that her experience, although my experience was also bad,

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Speaker 11: And you know, I mean the fact that she was

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Speaker 5: And you're her mother clawed her way out of an

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Speaker 4: He made her life a living health and right now

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but this would open up the door, even if.

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Speaker 4: She doesn't say anything bad, like than any of the

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Speaker 3: But I get just mentioning his name.

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Speaker 5: I get what you're looking for, the origin story, anything

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Speaker 3: It's ammunition.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to do.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna keep going.

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Speaker 5: I mean, her not saying anything from the woman who

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Speaker 5: I feel closer to your mother, But that also must

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you're gonna cry again.

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Speaker 3: It's okay, Babida Bibeta. We in an emergency session.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing is, I'm not going to be able

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Speaker 1: to control him as.

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Speaker 7: Much as I remember him being a piece of garbage

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Speaker 7: in my childhood. I I wish, you know, I wish

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Speaker 7: he was just like the Sports Illustrated.

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Speaker 3: Story, But it's not.

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Speaker 5: You can twist like the Sports Illustrated stuff like you

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Speaker 5: can you can play with a lot of the things

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Speaker 5: that happened to shed a positive light on them. There

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Speaker 5: is it's impossible to shed a positive light on any

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Speaker 5: of your mom's experience.

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Speaker 3: That's the problem.

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Speaker 5: And even if she's talking about their first date and

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Speaker 5: stuff like that, it's still mentioning him.

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Speaker 3: Listen, we're doing this, We're in this, and I'm with

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Speaker 3: you till the freaking end.

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Speaker 5: But I think you saying, and you are very smart,

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Speaker 5: but you can what you just said, you cannot control him,

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Speaker 5: I think is right. Don't underestimate the power of what

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Speaker 5: could happen.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode of Number one Dad.

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Speaker 4: So what do you think is the hardest part about

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Speaker 4: having a comment for a father?

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Speaker 5: It was the domino effect of one lie after another

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Speaker 5: led to our family really just falling apart.

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Speaker 6: Maybe I was naive at the time, but he knew

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Speaker 6: how to do certain things.

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Speaker 1: He knew how to manipulate people.

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Speaker 12: He had met Obama, but the way he would explain

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Speaker 12: it was that, you know, he had a tight relationship

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Speaker 12: with him.

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