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Speaker 1: Dirty Birds. What's up? And welcome to the Atlanta Falcons

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Speaker 1: podcast Network. I'm your host, Will mcfad and I'm joined

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Speaker 1: as always by Tory Nick Laney and Tory. We're kind

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Speaker 1: of in the middle of summer. Yeah, so you know,

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to know what you're watching reading,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing to pass the time with A

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Speaker 1: with a little extra free time these days.

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Speaker 2: So I'm catching up on all of my docuseries and documentaries.

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Speaker 2: I for those that don't know, I'm a bit of

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Speaker 2: a fixator, Like I fixate on things, and I ruminate

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Speaker 2: on things, and if I get on one topic, I

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Speaker 2: like have to know everything there is to know about it.

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Speaker 2: So right now, there's a documentary on Netflix about the

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Speaker 2: Titans submersible implosion, and there's also one that Discovery did. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I also so I watched both of those documentaries

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Speaker 2: in quick succession and was just like, well, how do

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Speaker 2: I feed this uh interest that I now have in

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Speaker 2: submersive submersible exploration and implosions. So now I'm currently watching

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Speaker 2: a docuseriies on the ar A San Juan, which was

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Speaker 2: an Argentinian submersiful to come back to us, Torry, come

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Speaker 2: back to us so far gone down this like rabbit hole.

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Speaker 3: It's not even funny.

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Speaker 2: But that's like when I have time on my hands,

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Speaker 2: I unfortunately turn into this like crazy person that has to.

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Speaker 3: Know everything there is to know about like one singular topic.

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Speaker 1: I cannot even bring myself to check those out because

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Speaker 1: I had I remember so vividly. I was on a

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Speaker 1: bachelor trip over the weekend that all of this took place,

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Speaker 1: and I was probably like a weirdo in the corner

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Speaker 1: this whole weekend just being like, what is up with

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Speaker 1: this vessel? Yeah, just where it is in the sea somewhere,

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Speaker 1: it's incredible. And I was like so just wrapped up

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Speaker 1: in my own anxiety of like imagining what that must be.

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Speaker 1: Like I can't bring myself to watch those documents. Are

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Speaker 1: they good or is it gonna make me like just diying?

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Speaker 2: No, I actually think they're really good, because it did

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Speaker 2: kind of ease my anxiety a little bit, like because of.

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Speaker 1: My anxiety that we know the ending of the book.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is is, you know the like this

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Speaker 2: was such a preventable Oh, it so was accident. It

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Speaker 2: wasn't even an accident, like it it shouldn't have happened.

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Speaker 2: There shouldn't have been people on that freaking sub.

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Speaker 1: So people are so confused right now about what podcast

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Speaker 1: they just tuned into. This is amazing.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't this a Falcons podcast.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 3: It's no longer it's not the Titan submersible.

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Speaker 1: Yes it has. It has been hijacked by the Submersible conversation.

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Speaker 1: But let's get it back on track. Today. We're here

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Speaker 1: to have a little fun. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the best players, uh, since two thousand for the Atlanta

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Speaker 1: Falcons an important distinction, an important distinction, and also I

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Speaker 1: want to make the distinction that we didn't think about

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Speaker 1: this all that hard. In fact, I came up with

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Speaker 1: the seating the brackets. I didn't even really see them

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Speaker 1: in any way. I was just kind of like, who

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Speaker 1: are some guys we want to talk about? I think

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Speaker 1: I would stand by we got thirty two players here,

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Speaker 1: you could quit. There's probably like six to eight players. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you could slot them in there, right, And honestly, I

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Speaker 1: thought about two having kind of requirements in terms of

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Speaker 1: have left us not able to talk about Jesse Bates.

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Speaker 1: But Jehan Robinson and I wanted to talk about them.

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Speaker 1: So again, I didn't really think all that hard about

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Speaker 1: this list, so neither should you. It's just an exercise

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Speaker 1: to talk about some players that we love. So you

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Speaker 1: want to build a go through a bracket together.

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Speaker 3: Let's go through a bracket.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited about this because I originally I was

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Speaker 2: talking to producer Jared about this. Producer Jared before we started,

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Speaker 2: and he was like, you and Will actually have a

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Speaker 1: So our first our first matchup on the bracket is

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Speaker 1: a one versus a thirty two seed Matt Ryan. Brank rhymes,

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Speaker 1: I I have Matt Ryan moving on in this matchup.

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Speaker 1: He might be in line for a second round upset

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Speaker 1: for me. No, I'm just kidding, but we should talk

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Speaker 1: about Brent Grimes, who was like one of the most

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Speaker 1: I think unique players in Falcons history. His highlight was

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Speaker 1: the twenty ten season I remember distinctly, like that was

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Speaker 1: Optimist Crimes. Yeah, and I was in high school and

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Speaker 1: This one is gonna be fun.

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Speaker 3: This one's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, We've got a sixteen seventeen matchup. But Jean Robinson

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Speaker 1: And some people might be mad at me for having

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Speaker 1: DeVante behind Bajon given that DeVante was here longer accomplished,

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Speaker 1: you know, more things like that. But again, Bajon is

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing is like, and we're having this

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Speaker 2: but it's like, what are the requirements that we need

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Speaker 2: Because I feel like what I'm looking for maybe different

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like what are these requirements?

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Speaker 2: And then I think like from there, that's where you

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Speaker 1: If it's like who's the most talented player, that's a

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Speaker 2: Right exactly. And so this is a bit like subjective

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Speaker 1: But like so the way I'm looking at it is

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Speaker 1: That's where I think this conversation is so interesting with

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Speaker 2: The problem though is is right now, as you're saying,

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Speaker 3: Can't put him ahead of Freeman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I personally, I'm like, if you're looking at DeVante

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Speaker 2: say that give Bjon another year and we're not talking

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Speaker 2: I couldn't push Bajon forward, despite the fact that I

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Speaker 3: A little bit better, a bit better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I expect it to when all of a sudden done.

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Speaker 1: If for no other reason, then Devonte Freeman never had

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Speaker 1: terms of kind of a ceiling. It's Jean without without

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Speaker 1: a question. But again, he's only done it for two

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Speaker 1: I wonder if if the twenty fifteen season had been

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Speaker 2: That's a great question, because I think that there is

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Speaker 2: I think the prime felt a little bit short lived.

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Speaker 2: Like I feel like it was a very like flash

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Speaker 2: there was a period before and after DeVonta Freeman that

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Speaker 2: before Taller, Algier and Jon Robinson got in here, we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it went and signed Todd Gurley to one year contract,

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Speaker 1: Youdo Smith, you know, Brian Hill, Quadria Allison, all those guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just didn't work. And that's kind of the way

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Speaker 1: if you remember kind of what he meant at that

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Speaker 1: to tick below, worked on Michael Turner kind of in that,

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Speaker 1: in that Jamal Anderson in that realm, right, But you

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Speaker 1: have Devontae Freeman. Yeah, moving on, I do as well,

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Speaker 1: which is again, I think that's gonna maybe ruffle some feathers,

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Speaker 1: it could very well be yeah. Cool. So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go on to our next one. This is a nine

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Speaker 1: to twenty four match up, our nine seed Grady Jarrett.

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Speaker 1: Our twenty four match up Matt Bryant, And honestly, he

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Speaker 1: I'm plugging in here, Matt, because personally, I think he's

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Speaker 2: So I have Grady moving forward, I do too, and

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Speaker 3: This one was tough. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: I had a tough time with this eleven, our twelve

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Speaker 2: It was really difficult because I was going back and

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Speaker 4: And I argue, and I really do feel like, if

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Speaker 1: This is this is shameful. This is shameful. Sorry you

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Speaker 2: But the thing is is, I was like, I'm trying

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Speaker 3: Story true font.

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Speaker 1: Team win. No, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I can't allow. I can't allow, so it doesn't true mine.

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Speaker 2: But if I will concede that to you, knowing that

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Speaker 3: Making Desmond Truefau Cinderella story.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's been true Fau. So I was like, fully French,

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Speaker 1: now I love this true. It's crazy. Patrick Kearney had

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, there's fine, that's fine. I'll take that. All

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Speaker 1: The best way to think about it, honestly, and it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that that matters because you have.

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Speaker 1: You brought him up Tony Gazales our four seed going

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately for Drake. You know, this is one of the

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Speaker 2: said this before, like I thought that Alex Mack acquisition

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00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 2: was one that took the Falcons offense. It like gave

434
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 2: them a oomph that they were missing. And I know

435
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 2: that's kind of strange to say for a sinner, but

436
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 2: I don't think if you hear Matt Ryan talk about

437
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,040
Speaker 2: Alex Mack like yeah, and for Matt Ryan Mack that

438
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,439
Speaker 2: Ryan's always been like super vocal about the impact that

439
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 2: Alex Mack had on his career, which Matt Ryan is

440
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 2: a career like his is a Hall of Fame level career. Yeah,

441
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 2: and Alex Mack, I think is right there in the

442
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 2: conversation of what he's what Matt Ryan's success was, and

443
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 2: I think Matt Ryan would say that too.

444
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 3: So for that reason, I'm moving Alex Mack forward.

445
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 2: Fortunately he's gonna have to go up against Michael Vick later,

446
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 2: but we'll get that to that point when we get there.

447
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: All runs must end at some points, right, Yeah, but

448
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 1: we will go to another offensive line matchup. We got

449
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 1: Jake Matthews as our eleven seed, and we got Justin

450
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 1: Blaylock as our twenty two seed. Blaylock another like very

451
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: much in the vein of Tyson Claybow, very much in

452
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: the vein of Todd Winer, like a solid tackle for

453
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 1: a long time here in Atlanta. So it is Jake Matthews.

454
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 2: I refuse to not let Jake Matthews get out.

455
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 3: Of the first round.

456
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,479
Speaker 2: He's like the Franchisees all time Ironman, literally one and

457
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 2: seventy four consecutive starts, knock on wood like this man.

458
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 3: What he has been for Atlanta in terms of consistency

459
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 3: in terms of reliability, there is. I would argue there's.

460
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: No one in the franchise outside of maybe Matt Ryan,

461
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: that touches that level of consistency.

462
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in the modern era for sure, if

463
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: you go back historically, like Mike ken is another tackle

464
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: who played for a really long time for Atlanta. But yeah,

465
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: we're talking about so so yeah, let's uh, let's keep

466
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: Jake's run going, yes, and keep that keep that streak alive.

467
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: So our next matchup in the bracket, we have Calvin

468
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: Ridley as the twenty seventh seed against Michael Turner as

469
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: the sixth seed. Another easy matchup, but an interesting discussion

470
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: because like the way that Calvin's again kind of like

471
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: career turned out I had I did not see coming

472
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 1: the way that, like his his third year was incredible.

473
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you when you think about Calvin

474
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 2: Ridley and the first you know three to your point,

475
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,479
Speaker 2: the first three years of Calvin Ridley's career, you're like,

476
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 2: this is a guy who's gonna put up Julio numbers.

477
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 1: He's the next one.

478
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 3: To Calvin.

479
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 2: And then it didn't pan out, It didn't work out

480
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 2: that way. And then Drake arrived and it kind of

481
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: like Calvin Ridley became more of a side conversation than

482
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: the main exactly the main spotlight. And I think that's why.

483
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I couldn't turn away Michael Turner when.

484
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 3: He was the spotlight.

485
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: He was the most career touchdowns in franchise history, most

486
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns in a single season in franchise history. Like

487
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: this was somebody to the point of what we're talking

488
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 2: about with the conversation around Devonte Freeman earlier, Like Michael

489
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 2: Turner was the epitome of a running back in Atlanta.

490
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely for a very long time in the league, for

491
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: a couple of years exactly.

492
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 3: So for that reason, he's moving forward.

493
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: Yes, I think like the fact that a real argument

494
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: was being made early in the Mount Ryan eras to like,

495
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: is Matt actually the most important part of this team,

496
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: this offense. A lot of people felt Michael Turner in

497
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 1: the ground game for the first few years when they

498
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: were making that run, it was really him and on

499
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: his shoulder. So yeah, he moves on. Even though Calvin

500
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: Ridley was super exciting, electric, he just the sang power

501
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: wasn't there and the responsibility, I would say probably wasn't there.

502
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: Next one, Wark Done as our seventh seed against Dion

503
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: Jones the twenty sixth seed.

504
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: Another tough first round matchup for the lower seed Deon Jones.

505
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: I'm super sorry Deon Jones, but it's work done.

506
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 3: Like he's a limited partner.

507
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: So I feel like if we don't put him forward,

508
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: like he's gonna walk through the door and be like

509
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: you guys.

510
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: Work Did you know Deon Jones is still in the league. Yes,

511
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: I did last year I think for Buffalo, Yes.

512
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 3: And I knew he was with Tampa for a.

513
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: Little bit Tampa. That's ye, with Buffalo, I think the

514
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: year before and then Tampa, yes, yes, so interesting. Yeah,

515
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: a lot of great memories with d.

516
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 3: I loved watching don play. Nothing against him, it's just

517
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 3: when you're going up against Warwick.

518
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: Sorry about it, all right. Next one we got Keith

519
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: Brooking ten seed against Jonathan Babineau the twenty three seed.

520
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: This two kind of again like individuals.

521
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, I here's the thing.

522
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 2: I have Jonathan Babineau moving forward because I do not

523
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 2: think Jonathan Babino gets the love.

524
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: That he deserves for the career that he had in Atlanta.

525
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 2: I think everyone is always talking about like John Abraham,

526
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 2: you talk about Grady Jarrett, you're talking about he was

527
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: Grady Jarrett before Grady Jarrett. Yes, and I think that.

528
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he spent all, what was it, twelve years

529
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: his entire career in Atlanta.

530
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: He last year was twenty sixteen.

531
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I just I had such an appreciation for

532
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 2: Jonathan Babino.

533
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 3: And even though I only remember.

534
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: The twilight years of like his career, I loved watching

535
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: him play, even if he wasn't playing to the love

536
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 2: of what he was earlier in his career.

537
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 3: And I know that you're a big Keith Brooking guy,

538
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 3: and you talked, you talked, you talked about him a lot.

539
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: So I just assumed, Okay, I've heard I've heard his

540
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: name out of your mouth a number of times.

541
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: I had a bobblehead of his as a kid.

542
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So I was just like assuming that I

543
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: was going to be your peg.

544
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, and I was willing to.

545
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: Fight for Jonathan Babino because I again, like just personally,

546
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: I love his story, I love his uh the way

547
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: that he played, I loved watching how he played, And

548
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: so for all of those reasons, I had him moving

549
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: forward which probably people would be like, that's a bit

550
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: of an upset, but personal choice, this is my bracket.

551
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: I'll give that to you honestly. Really, yeah, I think

552
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: it's I do want it to be known. I want

553
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: it on the record that that Tory is is the

554
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: driving engine between or behind Keith Brooking not making it

555
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: out of the first round. But Jonathan Bavenue is. If

556
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: there's anybody who's like as deserving as him for an

557
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: upset in the first round, I'd like to see it.

558
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that he I feel like we

559
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: need to do right by Babs.

560
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: Let's do right, Let's do right by Babs, and let's

561
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: have him go into the second round.

562
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: All right, this is this is another really fascinating, so

563
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 1: tough and then and we'll have to kind of speed

564
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: through the second round a little bit. But we wanted

565
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: to get some of the conversations about about these guys

566
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: who weren't moving on out of the way. This is

567
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: gonna be a crazy one. Fifteen seed Todd McClure going

568
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: up against eighteen seed Chris Linstrom.

569
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: Yep, this one hurt my soul because Chris Linstrom is

570
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: I would argue the best guard I take it back.

571
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: The best offensive lineman to come through Atlanta ever, ever, ever, ever,

572
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: I believe, even though he is only what five years

573
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: into his career, I think that we are going to

574
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: be talking about Chris Linstrom for a very, very, very

575
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: long time. I don't think any offensive lineman has racked

576
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: up the awards and the consistent respect that Chris Linstrom

577
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 2: gains from other players around the league and other coaches

578
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: around the league. However, you put him against Todd McClure

579
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: like mud duck, mud duck, the guy who is in

580
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: the ring of honor, like I, this matchup physically hurt me,

581
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: and I don't I honestly, I put a question mark.

582
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: Jared was asking me like earlier. Producer Jared was asking

583
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: me earlier, like Corey, you have to make a decision,

584
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: who are you taking? And I was like, I really

585
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: don't know, So you you talk, you tell me, because

586
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to make a decision.

587
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: I have Todd McClure, Okay, I.

588
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: Also had Todd mclauury, but I didn't want Chris Lnstrom to.

589
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: Not I didn't want like, I don't think. I don't

590
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: think Chris is busting through that door to yell at

591
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: you right now. I think again, the way that we're

592
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: looking at a player like Pajan or a player like Drake,

593
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: this is to some degree a little bit of a

594
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: lifetime achievement award, right simply by nature of the exercise.

595
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of who meant the most to the

596
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons during the two thousands. Yeah, Todd McClure meant

597
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: just as much as Chris Linstrom for longer. And I

598
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: think that for that reason we got to give it

599
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: to Todd McClay.

600
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: And again, when Bajon's career is done, when Chris Linstrom's

601
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: career is done, maybe we're having a completely different conversation.

602
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: They're gonna be climbing right before.

603
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: Right now, it's fine, and we will put a pain.

604
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: We'll come back to it.

605
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: Breathe in for four seconds, fine, pause for four seconds,

606
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: breathe out for four seconds.

607
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: Reset, yep, all right, now go to the next one.

608
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: Because I can't do this anymore. I can't talk about.

609
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: Crys Linstrom not making it all right, This one will

610
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: be easy. Let's do Julio as our two seed against

611
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: Andy Levtree as our thirty one seed. And Andy that

612
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: may be low for Andy again, quality player, just the

613
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: time a time thing. It's Julio, It's Julio.

614
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry again another Michael Vic Jesse Bates situation. Tough,

615
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: tough first round draw.

616
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: I think Andy Leavittrie was actually the first gender reveal

617
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: that I saw out on the practice fields in Faberry Branch.

618
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: But I'm sure you've seen a couple in your day

619
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: as well. You know, we've seen a few. It's always sweet,

620
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: really nice for the family to exciting time. I think

621
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: his was the first interesting A little fun facts about

622
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: Andy Letree. You guys will always remember where you were

623
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,239
Speaker 1: when you heard that. Let's move on to the to

624
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: the second round. So as a let's do a real

625
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: quick recap of the matchups that we've got going on

626
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: in round two. We've got Matt Ryan against DeVante Freeman.

627
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: We've got Grady Jarrett against John Abraham. We've got Roddy

628
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: White against Patrick Kearney. We've got Algie Crumpler against Tony

629
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: and Zalaz. We've got Michael Vick against Alex Mack. We've

630
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 1: got Jake Matthews against Michael Turner. Work done against Jonathan

631
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: Babinot and bringing it up with Todd McClure against Julio Jones. Yeah,

632
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: so let's dig in to Matt Ryan Devonte Freeman probably

633
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: the easiest of this entire second round.

634
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Matt.

635
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: Matt's may cool. So we talked a lot about DeVante earlier.

636
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: We'll move right along. Grady Jarrett and John Abraham. This okay,

637
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: this is crazy.

638
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: The only reason. Here's the thing.

639
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: So John Abraham has the franchise, he's a franchise leader

640
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: in sex. Grady Jarrett franchise leader and quarterback hits. He

641
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: surpassed John Abraham is this past year.

642
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on.

643
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: I did have a conversation when the day that Grady

644
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: Jarrett surpassed Abe in quarterback hits.

645
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: I went down.

646
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: I ran down and Abe was at the game, and

647
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: because he works with Maria Martin and they do some

648
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 2: stuff for eleven Alive together, and I was like, Grady

649
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: just passed you, and he goes, well, I think I

650
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: did it in one last year.

651
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: So there's that. So for for.

652
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: That reason, for that reason, that reason alone, and someone

653
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: will have to fact check me on that if if

654
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: he was even right about.

655
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: That, do you bring to this.

656
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: I do think that like the franchise leader in sas

657
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: has to move forward. I agree, as much as I

658
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: love Grady, as much as I love Grady's story, as

659
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: much as I still kind of personally wish Grady was

660
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 2: here and so but we have we have to give

661
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: it to Tape.

662
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: The biggest X factor in maybe Grady's defense is what

663
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: he meant to the community. Yeah, a lot of the

664
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: kind of like extra curricular and tangible things that he

665
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: brought to the organization. You know, John Abraham amazing player

666
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: on the field and also still involved as you just

667
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: mentioned with Maria and kind of involved in the media

668
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: side of things. So like he also involved in the

669
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: extra curriculars. But to me, it is just kind of

670
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: by nature of the importance of the position. It's a

671
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: little bit of yeah about like doing it at edge

672
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: Rusher and us consistently talking about the fact that the

673
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: Falcons have not had somebody like John Abraham since John

674
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: Abraham to me just means a little bit more than again,

675
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: like mad respect for what Grady Jared is. Yeah, but hey,

676
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: we're we're deciding between two of the best here. Somebody's

677
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: got to disappointed, ye, John Abraham, We'll see you on

678
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: in the next round. So we got a five versus twelve,

679
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: Roddy White versus Patrick Kearney, knowing, knowing that you didn't

680
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: even want Pattison to begin with, you were ready to

681
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: kick him to the curb. I assume I know who

682
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: you got.

683
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got Roddy.

684
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I have Roddy took great. I think that again.

685
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: Patrick Kearney is fascinating to me just because of the

686
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: way that nobody really talks about him anymore. He's kind

687
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: of a forgotten man, but he you know, he got

688
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit of love here. That's

689
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: why I was like defended. I was like, no, the

690
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: way that you feel about Jonathan Babine. So I was like,

691
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: we're not gonna Yeah, we're not getting him. Sony next one.

692
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: This is this is quick too. Algae Crumpler, Tony Gonzalez.

693
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: Unfortunately for Algae Crumpler, like Tony Gonzalez, was the epitome

694
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: of the position at that time. When you think about

695
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: national perspective of the tight end position, you all time,

696
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: you can't overlook Tony Gonzales, and for that reason it

697
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: has to be him.

698
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: His Pro Football Reference page in like the awards section

699
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: to the far right, is all just like AP Pro Bowl, AP,

700
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, AP AP, like it's insane every single year

701
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: except for like three. And it's not like he dropped

702
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: off in Atlanta, right, So it's not like he was

703
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: at the tail end of his career and he came

704
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: here and he was still putting up eight hundred yards

705
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: a season.

706
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 2: When Matt Ryan retired and we did all the Matt

707
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: Ryan retirement stuff here in Atlanta, I got on the

708
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 2: phone with Tony and we were talking about his days

709
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: in ma Ryan he said, he's like, I wish more

710
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 2: than anything that I had more years with Matt Ryan.

711
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: I was and he said, I wish more than anything,

712
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: my biggest regret is that I did not have.

713
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: The prime of my career.

714
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: Crazy he has. Ryan, Yeah, it's like, my guy, you

715
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: are basically like Jerry Rice at the tight end position,

716
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: and you're like man if I had been on Matt though,

717
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: and he.

718
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: Kind of said, he was like, that's not to diminish

719
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: anybody else that I played with. He was like, it

720
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: was just the connection I had with Matt was something

721
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: so special, and I think the connection Matt had with

722
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: a lot of players is pretty special. Matt Ryan helped

723
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: make players better. And I'm sorry that we're talking about

724
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: Matt Ryan while we're talking about Tony Gonzalez, but I

725
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: had to bring up that kind of anecdote because I

726
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: think it it shows kind of even more the potential

727
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: that there could have been.

728
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: Well, that was an early early clip that they used

729
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: to show really showed like Matt Ryan as either a

730
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: rookie or in a second year going up to the

731
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: bench to Tony and like yelling at him, getting in

732
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: his face, and it was like, oh, okay.

733
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: Yep, and Tony was like mad respect he talked, Yeah,

734
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: he talked about that moment too.

735
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: He was like, here's this kid from Boston College. Like,

736
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: but he was like he earned my.

737
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: Respects showing his moxie. Yeah, all right. Next one, we

738
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: got Michael Vick against Alex Mack.

739
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: Another tough draw. I'm so sorry, Alex Mack, but it's

740
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: Michael Vick.

741
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: As Zazie Beats in the TV show Atlanta famously said,

742
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: it's Michael Vick.

743
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: It's Michael Vick.

744
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: So moving right along, Michael Vick. Next one, we got

745
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: Jake Matthews against Michael Turner. This is this is actually

746
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: tougher than I kind of expected it too.

747
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: I kind of went back and forth about it a

748
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 2: couple of times. I think just name recognition though as

749
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: a falcon one out for me, which is why Michael

750
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: Turner is the one that I moved forward, because I

751
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: think that maybe it's by I think it's by nature

752
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: of the position, which is unfortunate. But I also am

753
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: a bit like what Michael Turner did for that offense,

754
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: not saying that Jake Matthews isn't currently doing that for

755
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: Atlanta right now, but I just think in terms of

756
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: like the history books, to your point is the I

757
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: think the blurb on Michael Turner is going to be

758
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: pretty lengthy.

759
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, And for me it was a little bit of

760
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: we never have really talked about Jake Matthews as kind

761
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: of like that top three tackle in the NFL. He's

762
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: always consistently to me at top ten, yeah, guy, But

763
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: for a couple of years there, Michael Turner was like

764
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: the number running, if not two, if not one.

765
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: Right.

766
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: So the peak, given that Michael Turner did have the

767
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: sustained success and was important to the team and all

768
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: of the things, was.

769
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: In the National conversation.

770
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: A bit more. Yeah, and fantasy football like it was

771
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: kind of right when the fantasy boom was happening and

772
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: he was like the best fantasy running back for a

773
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: couple of years.

774
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: And I think too, It's like the thing with Jake

775
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: Matthews is like we're talking about Crystal Instrom and how

776
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: many accolades and how I think how high up he

777
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: is on all of these offensive line rankings. So it's

778
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: not like people aren't looking at the Falcons offensive line

779
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: and being like, oh, Jake Matthews is like, it's just

780
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: chrysal Instrom in the national conversation.

781
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 3: So I think to that point, Yeah.

782
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: All right, Michael Turner, moving on. We got work done

783
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 1: against Jonathan Babino. It's work done.

784
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: It's work done.

785
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 1: Okay, Jonathan, you made a great run.

786
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: Hey, I got you as far as I could, my guy,

787
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: I pushed it as far as I could.

788
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: Cool, Well, work done. You're on a run. Todd McClure.

789
00:37:54,760 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, Julio Julio Jones. Yeah, we are onto the lead. Eight.

790
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: We got a Matt Ryan John Abraham matchup kicking us

791
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: off Matt Ryan. Do you think they ever let John Abraham,

792
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, tackle Matt Ryan in practice? Just once? Just once,

793
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: just to no.

794
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: It's one of those things like what like Matt would

795
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: never let anyone else throw to Julio, I'm sure would

796
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: never let a.

797
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: Don't touch me, don't no touch, no touch? All right, Yeah.

798
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: John Abraham was was incredible again, like so much fun

799
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: to watch. I wish he's a player that I wish

800
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: I had been able to see kind of now where

801
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: I would have had more appreciation. But at that point

802
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: in my life, I don't think I understood the nuances

803
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: of the game enough and so it was just like

804
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: sacks are great, yay. But now I want to go

805
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: back and I want to watch and enjoy because he

806
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: was just such a master at a lot of different things, agreed,

807
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: But his run ends here. We now have a maybe

808
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: the juiciest matchup of the whole thing. We got Roddy

809
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: White and Tony Gonzalez, a five to four matchup.

810
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: This goes back to my conversation about Tony. I wish

811
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: Tony was in Atlanta longer. I wish Tony was in

812
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: Atlanta when he was at the peak of his career

813
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: and his powers and his youth even and.

814
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: But I still have him going forward. I still have

815
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: him going.

816
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: Forward, I have Tony going beyond uh, Roddy.

817
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: Tony going beyond Roddy. Wow, Okay, I have Roddy. And

818
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: this might be one where we need Producer Jared to

819
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: ultimately m on this because I don't know if I'm

820
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: willing to back down from Roddy again.

821
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 3: I totally get it.

822
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: I'm willing to concede Roddy, but I want to make

823
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: it known that, like I thought, Tony Gonzalez, like as

824
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: I was growing up, like was the epitome of like

825
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: past catcher and I loved watching him.

826
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: Play and.

827
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: Right. And it's not like I didn't like that about Roddy.

828
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: It's just that like for contention for contentious sake.

829
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay it yeah, you want to read.

830
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: It, Producer Jared, I'm gonna go for Tony Gonzalez. Growing up,

831
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: I knew who Tony Gonzalez was, but didn't really know.

832
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: Who Roddy White was.

833
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: So from a national perspective, if like we're looking at it,

834
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: that's that's kind of his. And he said coming from

835
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: a from not a lifelong Falcons fan, yeah, like I

836
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: think that's a big part of it too, is like

837
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: probably a lot of Chiefs games though in Utah grown up, right,

838
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: Like I think Tony, what Tony was to the league

839
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: was different than what for sure what Roddy was to

840
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: the league.

841
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: Okay, then let's I had one Roddy question for you then,

842
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: and we'll do it now because Tony is gonna move on.

843
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: Do you think what, like, how concerned are you if

844
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: we pull back ten fifteen years from now that kind

845
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: of what happened to Patrick Kearney.

846
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: Happens to Roddy. I do worry about that because of Julio.

847
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: I do worry about that because we are.

848
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: Talking about Julio's career butting up against and kind of

849
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: on top of Roddy White.

850
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: It is this John this Jonathan Abraham.

851
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: Bus to pass the baton in like real time.

852
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: Right, and it's it's a bit like, oh, what you

853
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: had you kind of forgot about because you continue to

854
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: have and then surpassed.

855
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no appreciation by absence.

856
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And so I think because of that, like

857
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: it does that's a great you.

858
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: Got to carry the banner for Roddy. I gotta we

859
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: gotta keep like streets. We gotta let the youths know,

860
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: let them know. Two times state champion wrestler. We got

861
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: to keep that little lower third alive. They ran it

862
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: every single time.

863
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: As our resident gen Z Jared producer, Jared, I think

864
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: he's gen Z.

865
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's firmly Yeah, he's a gen Z.

866
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: Don't let the beat fool you.

867
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a ninety nine kid.

868
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: So he uh, he's the kids that we're trying to get.

869
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: On the Roddy chain. All right, let's go Michael Vick,

870
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: Michael Turner, the two Michaels duking it out. This is

871
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: tough too.

872
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: This is what's so difficult, And we're going to get

873
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 2: into this later if we move Michael Vick forward, because

874
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Speaker 2: I think the main part of the Michael Vick conversation

875
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Speaker 2: is that if you look at those teams outside of

876
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: like two thousand and four, they weren't like big time

877
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: playoff continuing.

878
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: Miss twelve games I think in two thousand and three.

879
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what you're talking about in terms of like

880
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: the impact on the team and the games that they

881
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 2: were winning is like.

882
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: The Green Bay playoff wild card game. Yeah, And then

883
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: it's the two thousand and four season, and then it's

884
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: some of the individual accolades in six and seven, huh

885
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: not in six ye with like his rushing totals of

886
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: becoming the first thousand yard rushing court, like all of

887
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, but does that add up to win

888
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: Michael Turner and the importance that he had.

889
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: Because the team was winning because of Michael Turner. Not

890
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: again not saying that they weren't winning because of Michael Vick,

891
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 2: but they weren't winning as much.

892
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: But he was undoubtedly the focal point of that offense,

893
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: even more so than Michael Turner was to Atlanta.

894
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: I think, And I think because also of the cultural

895
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: impact and Michael Vick had in the app the remnants

896
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: of his play, and I think you talk about the

897
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: quarterback position, it diverged with Michael Vick, and because of that,

898
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: you can't can't put Michael Turner above him.

899
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: I think if you're doing the Mount Rushmore of the

900
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons, Michael Turner comes off before Michael Vick does

901
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: in the future, if at any point you're ever replacing it. Agreed, Yeah, Okay,

902
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: so Michael Vick is moving on. Sorry, Michael Turner, we

903
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: got work done. Julio Jones. I think Julio's got this one.

904
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: I do too. Yeah, I'd love to spend more time

905
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: talking about work done. We got to kind of move

906
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: on for times sake, but please go look the man up.

907
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: He was awesome. He was amazing. Like the genre reminds

908
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: me of him in some ways inside of the tackles specifically,

909
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: So give him a google, go watching YouTube clips. He

910
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: was great. We got our final two, Matt Ryan and

911
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez.

912
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: You don't have Tony Gonzalez without Matt Ryan.

913
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you could also argue maybe you don't have

914
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan without Tony Zala. I think the impartial or

915
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: the wisdom and stuff that he gave to him early

916
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: on was very valuable as well.

917
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm but we're talking about Matt Ryan, the MVP.

918
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. Oh I'm not. I'm not putting tonyzals over. Okay,

919
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: don't worry. Don't you worry.

920
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 3: Matt Ryan to the championship as it should be.

921
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: Yep, number one in our brackets, number one in our hearts.

922
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: All right, next one we got oh, this is all time,

923
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: just cool showdown in Atlanta Falcons history. Michael Vick against

924
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: Julio Jones. You got Michael Vick. Wow? Really you got

925
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: Michael Vick.

926
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm you're so quarterback bias. I am, I

927
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: really am. I'm not even gonna lie.

928
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: I think that Michael Vick just what he did for Atlanta.

929
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: Like in terms of when people think about the Atlanta Falcons,

930
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: you do you think about Matt Ryan, you think about

931
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: Michael Vick, and you do think about Julio Jones. And

932
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: I think that it was really hard to put Michael

933
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: Vick above it, above Julio, but it was because of

934
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: the continual impact of Michael.

935
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: Vick on the game.

936
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, so you his lasting impact is lasting legacy.

937
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: We've seen players like Julio before. We have really only

938
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: seen players like Michael Vick since maybe one other time

939
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: in Lamar. But like, yeah, that's true, but we are

940
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: seeing more types of those players because of Michael Vick,

941
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: and that it makes sense. Again, I like, Julio is

942
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: might be I'm a big Claude hum prepin, but like

943
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: he might be the most talented player to ever play

944
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: in a Falcon's uniform.

945
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I agree, I.

946
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: Mean something to me, But you want to go on

947
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: Michael Vick, I I do, okay, In of who you're

948
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: thinking Atlanta Falcons, of the two thousands. Yeah, we go

949
00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: Michael Vick over Julio.

950
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

951
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: You can't talk about the Falcons franchise without talking about

952
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 2: Michael Vick.

953
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: Hey, you can't make a bracket without breaking some eggs.

954
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: He of course, let's break some eggs. Let's put Michael

955
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: Vick on into the finals against Matt Ryan. Is quarterback

956
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: on Quarterback showdown here. I think I think it was

957
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan's to lose. I don't think you lost it.

958
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 3: I don't either. I don't think.

959
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anyone you can put against Matt

960
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: Ryan that I'm not picking.

961
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan team history.

962
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 2: In team history, and I think it's almost poetic that

963
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: we got to Matt Ryan versus Michael Vick because of

964
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 2: everything that happened at the end of Michael Vick's years

965
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: in Atlanta and the absolute like weight on Matt Ryan's

966
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 2: shoulders to carry on the franchise and be the next

967
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: franchise quarterback after Michael Vick is one of the biggest

968
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: weights of any quarterback in any team history. I'm talking

969
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 2: any team across the league, and the fact that he

970
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: was able to have the career that he did, to

971
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: have the success that he did to have a Hall

972
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: of Fame level output in statistics and in every franchise

973
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: leader category.

974
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 3: You can think of.

975
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: Yep, it's Matt Ryan and what he meant to this

976
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: franchise over the years that he played for it is immeasurable.

977
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: Couldn't have said it any better. I think the situation

978
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: he walked into only adds to that that luster of

979
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: what he ultimately did. And he did it at a

980
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: time when we talk about Michael Vick kind of setting

981
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: a blueprint. Nobody was starting as a rookie at that time.

982
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: He and Joe Flacco in two thousand and eight kind

983
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: of were the first since Peyton to do it. And

984
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: people were scared off because Peyton threw all those picks.

985
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: What's Matt Ryan do. He takes some of the playoffs

986
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: in his first year that was so incredible. So he

987
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: beats Brent Grimes, Devonte Freeman, John Abraham, Tony Gonzalez, and

988
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: Michael Vick to claim our champion of the best, most important,

989
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: however you want to describe it, just falcons of the

990
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: two thousands that we wanted to talk about out bracket.

991
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: And I hope everybody was like, following along, we will

992
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 2: do different years, we'll do different all that stuff. Yeah,

993
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 2: because I I'm sure that people are like they don't

994
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: know what they're talking about. How could you leave this

995
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: person off? Or how could you move this person forward? Again,

996
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 2: this is just subjective. This is just our own thoughts

997
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: and feelings about this organization since two thousand and who

998
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 2: we remember, I guess like even for us like growing up.

999
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would encourage everybody. I just used a

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Speaker 1: website called brackethq dot com. It'll make your bracket. Share

1001
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Speaker 1: it with us if you want, let us know, uh,

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Speaker 1: share it on social media. DM US would love to

1003
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Speaker 1: see how everybody else sees this all playing out, because

1004
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: it was a really fun exercise and it's just honestly

1005
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: fun to talk about some players that we don't get

1006
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: a chance to chat about often. So thank you guys

1007
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Speaker 1: so much for watching listening. Please continue to fall along

1008
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Speaker 1: throughout the summer and lead up to training camp. We've

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Speaker 1: got a few more great piece of content on our

1010
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Speaker 1: way for you, but in the meantime, training camp previews,

1011
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: rolling all the positions, things like that, and we will

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Speaker 1: have you covered when the training camp begins. So for

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Speaker 1: Tory mclaney, I'm will McFadden and we'll see you guys

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Speaker 1: next time.