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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our Here

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Speaker 1: is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 3: I think the the other element with Josh Allen, just

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Speaker 3: from my standpoint, is that he's probably the hardest quarterback

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Speaker 3: to defend in the in the league, because he's just

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Speaker 3: so otherworldly talented physically, Like there's really not a weakness

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Speaker 3: to his game from a physical talent standpoint, because of

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Speaker 3: how good he is with his arm man with his legs.

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Speaker 2: I think Lamar is harder to defend.

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Speaker 3: I don't Lamar to me, and I love Lamar, you know,

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Speaker 3: but Lamar is a between the numbers thrower. If you

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Speaker 3: can funnel the ball outside the numbers and make him

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Speaker 3: push the ball outside the numbers, Lamar is not the same. Well,

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Speaker 3: I guess we'll find out.

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Speaker 2: I guess we want.

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Speaker 3: We got the back to back here at the two

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Speaker 3: most recent NFL MVPs, right, I think I think that's right.

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Speaker 3: And some people think Lamar should have been the MVP

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Speaker 3: last year. Should have so maybe some people sitting to

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Speaker 3: my right. So yeah, there's a it'll be interesting to

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Speaker 3: see how it looks against these two guys. Now, Lamar

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Speaker 3: is not fully healthy, so I think that that is

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Speaker 3: an important caveat to put on it. But we'll get

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Speaker 3: to Lamar and we'll get to the Baltimore Ravens. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: we're a few minutes late. I know none of you care,

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Speaker 3: but there was some bad traffic, maybe an accident or

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Speaker 3: something on our both of our commutes this morning, so

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Speaker 3: i'lex meet me by a few minutes, so he would

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Speaker 3: have been on time. It was it was me that

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Speaker 3: was three minutes late, So I apologize. But we're here.

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Speaker 3: We're up and running. All things considered, it wasn't as

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Speaker 3: late as we could have probably been given the traffic

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Speaker 3: in the situation, so we'll take it. Anyway. Let's talk

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Speaker 3: a little bit about this Bills game. We'll certainly get

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Speaker 3: to the Ravens here, probably in the second hour of

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Speaker 3: the show. We'll take your calls and emails. With the

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Speaker 3: phone lines already lighting up this morning and the emails.

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Speaker 3: And it does seem like a loss like this one

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Speaker 3: elicit's a lot more response than a ten game winning streak.

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Speaker 3: For some reason, that might just be the market we

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Speaker 3: are in but I want to start here with the

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Speaker 3: Bills in this game on Sunday, because we texted back

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Speaker 3: and forth about this Sunday morning, Sunday night into Monday morning.

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Speaker 3: It felt like about where we were in our steps

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Speaker 3: settled now as I kind of put a bow on

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Speaker 3: Baltimore is there's like a macro and microway to look

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Speaker 3: at this game. And I think after the game, I

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Speaker 3: a second and realize that if you had told me

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Speaker 3: coming into the season they were going to play two

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Speaker 3: games against Buffalo, they were gonna split those two games,

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Speaker 3: and they were going to be super competitive in both games.

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Speaker 3: I would say that's great. You know that that's a

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Speaker 3: good step forward. I think that there's no doubt about it,

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Speaker 3: and I think the people of Bill's mafia are sort

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Speaker 3: The Patriots have closed the gap with the Bills, like

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Speaker 3: they can now go on the same field, stand toe

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Speaker 3: even beat them. And maybe they should have even beaten

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Speaker 3: them on Sunday, right, and been two and zero against

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Speaker 3: I think it's really good thing that this show is

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Speaker 3: perfect for this type of loss that we're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about all this different minutia that can tributed to

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Speaker 3: the loss, instead of just saying we just don't got

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Speaker 3: the personnel, we don't got the horses to hang with them, right,

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Speaker 3: This is about the margins. Like, this game was decided

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Speaker 3: by a bunch of little things that we'll certainly get to,

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Speaker 3: even to the point where you know, I was getting

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Speaker 3: a huge part of this game massive, Right, So like,

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Speaker 3: these are things that we're going to talk about today

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Speaker 3: that aren't just yeah, they're a lot better than they

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: I think that's that's the way you got to look

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Speaker 2: From the one thing I'll put back push back on

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Speaker 2: a little bit with that, and I agree with a

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Speaker 2: good chunk of what you said. There are some personnel things,

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Speaker 2: but it's about injuries. It's not about not having the players.

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Speaker 2: Injuries are the kind of things that didn't happen over

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Speaker 2: to be one of the biggest issues for this team. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: credit to the Patriots training staff. It really didn't come

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Speaker 2: up until. I mean, this has been a very healthy

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Speaker 2: back and say it later and it sounds contradictive. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: of the few areas we will talk about, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: better personnel here, better personnel there. I do think they

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Speaker 2: that that's the National Football League. Like guys get hurt.

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Speaker 2: That happens. And I know the Bills had guys hurt too,

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Speaker 2: and the Patriots not taking advantage of that was also

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Speaker 2: part of the problem in this game. But you know,

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Speaker 2: when you look at Okay, where were the Bills really

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Speaker 2: credit to the Bills. They attacked areas where the Patriots

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that's all fair. I think then

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Speaker 3: there's you know, this is more maybe part of the

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Speaker 3: second thing I was going to say, but you just said,

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Speaker 3: then there's the micro view of it. Yeah, analyzing this

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Speaker 3: specific game in a vacuum and then analyzing the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five New England Patriots. Not the program Mike Rabel's

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Speaker 3: trying to build in the career that Drake May is

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Speaker 3: think the disappointing part about it is, well, just come

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Speaker 3: out and say it. You blew a twenty one point lead, right,

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Speaker 3: So that's obviously in itself a disappointing part. But the

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Speaker 3: that this was the first time that Josh McDaniels and

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Speaker 3: And all year long, McDaniels has pressed all the right buttons.

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Speaker 3: winning drive. So you just look at all these different

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Speaker 3: fact that they blewed twenty one point lead seventeen at halftime.

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Speaker 3: You're discouraged by the fact that they for the first

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Speaker 3: there and then defensively. There was some things that were

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Speaker 3: this show, not bragging, just saying we did, and that

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Speaker 3: home to roost finally on some of these things. And

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about the red zone defense, the run defense,

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Speaker 3: the lack of pressure with four you know, you have

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Speaker 3: to kind of blitz in disguise and you know, draw

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Speaker 3: on the micro level to this loss are discouraging, even

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Speaker 3: though I still think the arrow is pointed upward on

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Speaker 3: where they're going in the macro sense of it. But

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Speaker 3: let's get into some of the micro you know, we

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Speaker 3: stuff that gets you beat. But did you just have

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Speaker 3: any opinions on it? Big picture, little picture?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I mean big picture, Look, they're

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Speaker 2: right there. But I think it's maybe a reminder that

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Speaker 2: and we talked about a lot. Hey, this is a

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Speaker 2: they have experience elsewhere, and those teams typically go through

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Speaker 2: growing pains, and we'd been surprised at the lack of

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Speaker 2: growing pains over the course of this season, which they

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Speaker 2: should have had more, and credit to them that they didn't.

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Speaker 2: This game was kind of a frank reminder of, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is still a team that kind of needs to

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Speaker 2: learn what to do when they get in that situation. Now,

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Speaker 2: what you hope is, because I'm somebody who's been. You know,

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Speaker 2: I can't I criticize teams all the time for blowing

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Speaker 2: big leads. I can't come in here and say it's fine, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: shouldn't blow up twenty point one point lead at home

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Speaker 2: to a division opponent with the division on the line,

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Speaker 2: like that is a bad loss. However you want to

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Speaker 2: spin it, you want to talk about, Okay, well, it

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Speaker 2: shows they're making progress and it shows they're better in

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Speaker 2: the long term. That can be true, but it's still

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Speaker 2: a bad loss. And now next time they're in this situation,

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Speaker 2: you know there's gonna be that question. The Patriots have

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Speaker 2: not been a good fourth quarter team for a few

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Speaker 2: weeks now. It just hasn't mattered because they've gotten off

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Speaker 2: to these big leads. Right Well, now, you know, against

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: They've done a great job this year when we come

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Speaker 2: in after a game and talk about, well, this is

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Speaker 2: They've done a good job of answering them and answering

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Speaker 2: we'll see if and when they get their redemption shot

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Speaker 2: at this one. But it's it's a tough loss, and

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Speaker 2: this was a game where you want, especially once you

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Speaker 2: game established ball control they get. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: and that forty six to eighteen play disparity in the

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Speaker 2: they lost control of the game because they didn't run

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Speaker 2: the football, I don't think that's incorrect. But I also

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Speaker 2: think that that's a monumental under cell of what happened.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't like the one thing that led to all

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Speaker 2: twenty one point lead on the Bills. That's good, that's encouraging,

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Speaker 2: Like I don't. You can have some you know, you

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Speaker 3: It's interesting.

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Speaker 2: When I was on with David Andrews on Monday, he

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Speaker 3: This was the vision, you know, this was the vision

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Speaker 3: not have been blocked better. That was a that is

435
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 3: teach tape of how to block one back power. I mean,

436
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 3: that was just perfect execution. Egos untouched to the house

437
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 3: for fifty plus yards. That was all on the blocking.

438
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 3: I thought Garrett Bradberry was outstanding in this game, had

439
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 3: multiple standout run blocks. Watching this game back so really

440
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 3: encouraging stuff. And then of course, you know we have

441
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 3: to talk about the Drake runs and you know, getting

442
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 3: that going in the red zone was something that I

443
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 3: think we all sort of felt like was in their

444
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 3: back pocket and something that they could pull out in

445
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 3: a big game. They decided to pull it out this week,

446
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 3: and I obviously, you know, two runs, two touchdowns couldn't

447
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 3: go much better than it did. And I really liked

448
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 3: the way that they had a couple of different wrinkles

449
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 3: and a couple of different designs on them as well.

450
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 3: You know, the first ones like a peer zone read

451
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 3: and the second one was a quarterback draw. I thought

452
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 3: that that second one probably was an RP where he's

453
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 3: kind of reading the linebacker. Is he going to drop

454
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 3: out into coverage or is he going to join the rush.

455
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 3: If he joins the rush, you throw it. If he

456
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 3: drops out, you run it. But both of them worked.

457
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 3: The second one worked really well. The first one they

458
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 3: got some good blocks on the perimeter there by Booty

459
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: and Hunter Henry to help him get in. But that

460
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 3: that was exactly what the doctor ordered. It seemed like

461
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 3: in the red zone. And now you put that on

462
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: film and now teams have to prepare for his legs

463
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 3: down there, and you can have different things that branch

464
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,239
Speaker 3: off of those two kind of core plays of your

465
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 3: run game down there in the red zone. So that

466
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 3: was extremely encouraging that they finally got some red zone

467
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: success with the Drake runs.

468
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people talked about it going into

469
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 2: the bay, right, what's one of the wrinkles you want

470
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 2: to see fix the red zone and maybe get Drake's

471
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: legs involved, And they did it, even that second run.

472
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 2: I know this has been said, but in case anybody

473
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: missed it, like you see the linemen start to get

474
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: up to the next level, so it looked like he scrambled,

475
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: but that's a designed Yeah, like that's a delayed quarterback run.

476
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: If he throws, that be a legal man downfield. So

477
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,479
Speaker 2: they put that wrinkle in, and you're right, even if

478
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: they don't go back to it a ton, it's now

479
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: something teams are gonna have to think about and be

480
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: prepared for.

481
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was well designed. It was

482
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 3: well done by Drake. Now, I didn't think that Drake

483
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 3: May did a whole lot of heavy lifting in the

484
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 3: first half of this game. But he was still nine

485
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 3: to eleven with one hundred and eight yards passing, So

486
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: it wasn't It was a pretty good statistical half for

487
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 3: Drake May in the first half at least, you know,

488
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 3: one hundred percent tile epa per drop back. I mean,

489
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 3: he was he was dealing. He was dealing in the

490
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 3: offense was humming in the first half. Now, like I said,

491
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 3: it wasn't a ton of heavy lifting. I you know,

492
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 3: the runs were more the highlights. You know, the seventeen

493
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 3: yard scramble in particular was just a great run by him.

494
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 3: But we're gonna probably say some not so flattering things

495
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 3: about Drake May here in a few minutes. And the

496
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 3: first half I thought was was really good from him,

497
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 3: and he was doing his thing. He was doing the

498
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: MVP thing. You know, you're running, you're you're throwing, you're

499
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 3: running in touchdown. That that was the type of half

500
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: that he, you know, has. It makes you think that

501
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 3: this guy can beat Josh Allen right toe. So that

502
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 3: was the offense. Defensively, I tried to come up with

503
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: some good things to put for the defense. I had

504
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: a tougher time, frankly than the offense. I did not

505
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 3: think the defense played particularly well at in this game

506
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 3: from start to finish. The opening drive is Buffalo has

507
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: two wide open receivers that they stub their own toe

508
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: Like Brandon comes is wide open and he bobbles the

509
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 3: ball and falls out of bounds. Dalton Kincaid's wide open

510
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 3: on third down and Josh Allen airmails it. Like So

511
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: was that good defense or was that bad offense? They

512
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 3: did have some good rushes in the first half. I thought,

513
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 3: you know, pass rushes. They had one nice blitz on

514
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 3: third down. I think it was the second drive of

515
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 3: the game for Buffalo.

516
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, was that the one they sent Marcus Jones?

517
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, where they got some free runners and they really

518
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 3: it was a good blitz. Good call, and then Harold

519
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: Landry had sack. Was a nice rush by him and

520
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: Barmore on the stunt over the right hand side there.

521
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: So I put first half pass rush. I thought that

522
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 3: it was solid.

523
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: Better.

524
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 3: Now do you maybe you like to see them hold

525
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 3: that blitz in their back pocket for the fourth quarter? Like,

526
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: I guess you could make that argument, but I'm not

527
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: going to be two nimpicky. There were a couple of

528
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: good rushes in there. I thought in the first half

529
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: that that got them off the field in some big spots.

530
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I have a problem with them using it

531
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 2: there because you want to you want to get ahead,

532
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: and they this is what's crazy. I mean about this

533
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: whole game. We can talk, you know, we'll talk more

534
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: about this show was on a lot of what the

535
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: Bills did, a lot of what happened in that game,

536
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 2: and Mike Rabel kind of said this after the game.

537
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: There were no surprises. The Bills did not. There were

538
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 2: a couple of small wrinkles here and there. But Mike

539
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: Vrabel talked during the week about, hey, we got to

540
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 2: play sixteen minutes as a team that knows how to

541
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 2: come back. They're not out of any game despite deaf sit.

542
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: We'll get to the kick return. Jeremy Springer talked about

543
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 2: the kick returning unit things like that, like they knew

544
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,719
Speaker 2: they had to get the momentum as quickly as possible.

545
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: So I don't mind using that play early because, yeah,

546
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: you get up twenty one nothing, you should win the game, right,

547
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 2: And that's probably the thought process is let's not keep

548
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: it in our back pocket for when the Bills have

549
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: all this momentum and are steaming downhill, let's prevent them

550
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 2: from getting there. And they did that, so in that

551
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: sense it's encouraging. They just needed more just that one play.

552
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: So some major breaking news in the AFC East.

553
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 2: That I was gonna read this. I didn't usually get

554
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: annoyed when I pop in with breaking different things.

555
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: This is pretty major. Do you want to read or

556
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 3: do you want me to read it?

557
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: I will now. I don't know if we're thinking the

558
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: same thing.

559
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 3: The Dolphins are are benching to.

560
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: A oh no, all right, Wow, I had a different thing.

561
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: They are benching to. The Dolphins made another move to, well,

562
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: they benched to it. Okay, they also cut Matthew Judon.

563
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, benching to is a bigger deal than that. Well,

564
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: Matthew Judon's washed. Sorry no, I love Matthew Judon from

565
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 3: what he did for the Patriots for a couple of

566
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 3: years there, but that's that's not a no anyways. Has

567
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: he been like a good secial teams player for maybe

568
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: you can tell me that. I don't know. So Tua's cut, benched,

569
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 3: not cut, Sorry, yeah, benched. Queen Yours is going to

570
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: start the rest of the way. So there's a short

571
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 3: term implication of this, which is the Patriots play the

572
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: Dolphins in Week eighteen and probably are gonna need to

573
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: win that game to win the AFCs, so they'll they'll

574
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: be up against Queen Yours it sounds like, but this

575
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: is a massive, massive move for the Dolphins because I

576
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: don't know how you come back from this with Tua,

577
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 3: Like do you go back to Tua for twenty twenty six?

578
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: I think that's hard to do. He's not hurt. You're

579
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: benching him because of performance, So I think that that's

580
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: hard to do. Now they might have a new head

581
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 3: coach as well. But so this could be the end

582
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: of the two eight era in Miami, is what I'm

583
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: trying to So I.

584
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 2: Talked about this yesterday on felgrin MAZ, do you let

585
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel pick a new quarterback? Because if you do that,

586
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 2: and I know there's been this whole run of first

587
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: round picks who or first overall picks, who's coaches got

588
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 2: fired whatever, But like, you don't want to be that

589
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: team right now.

590
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 3: So and this isn't really a class to be.

591
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: And this is not a class. No, so if but

592
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: if if you're if you're going with a new quarterback,

593
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: to me, that means in part that you're committing to

594
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel for two more years.

595
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: You also want a victory lap on Mike McDaniel.

596
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: He should have been fired a long time ago. I mean,

597
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: I think my my stance is pretty clear on that.

598
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: Is a new GM going to want new GM is

599
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: not going to want to inherit a quarterback, especially not

600
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: a quarterback like Toua with this contract, who plays this way.

601
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: Is he gonna want to inherit that coach? So that's

602
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: what it comes down to me. I would move on

603
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: from both. I don't think that's surprising anybody, but I.

604
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: Think that's where we're headed. But you also, it's bold

605
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: as an organization to allow Mike McDaniel to make this decision,

606
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: because if you're too, like this could burn a bridge

607
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 3: with two that there's no coming back from if you

608
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: want to have to as a part of your future

609
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: at all. And I know they don't know who's gonna

610
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: be running a team, but you understand what I'm getting at,

611
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: Like you if you know Mike McDaniel's a lamb duck

612
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: head coach and he's gonna get fired at the end

613
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: of the year, Like, do you let that coach bench

614
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: your franchise quarterback? Like that's that's a big move to

615
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: allow guy that's going to be fired in three weeks.

616
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: So unless you know, are you moving on from both

617
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: of them?

618
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough, But I just it's an interesting move

619
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: obviously in the short term that Miami game. Look, the

620
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: Dolphins have played spoiler before. We all remember twenty nineteen.

621
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't like the upstart Dolphins with Brian Flores

622
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: trying to prove the owner wrong.

623
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 5: Though.

624
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: This is a little different.

625
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is sky is following the franchise. Fifty six

626
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: million dollars quarterback is benched and now they're going to

627
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 3: have to come up here in week eighteen. It's probably

628
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: gonna be freezing and play a game against the Patriots

629
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: who are probably gonna need it to win the division.

630
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: So some things breaking the Patriots way there in Miami. Uh,

631
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: let's get back to real quick.

632
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: Where yours wasn't bo Nix your comp for him, like

633
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: a year ago, a year and a half ago.

634
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: Oh No, I don't think he's as talented as both. Okay, no,

635
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: I think he's got.

636
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: A well, I think I might have been a lesser

637
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: Bonnix was your comp.

638
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he's got a great arm. So

639
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: I'm not a big Queen Ears guy. I think that

640
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: once you saw him a little bit in the college

641
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: football playoff and and the struggles that he had pushing

642
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: the ball down the field. Uh, in terms of arm strength,

643
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: you know, he's he's maybe a little bit more talented

644
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: than like a mac Jones, but it's not much that

645
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 3: arm isn't isn't great. But we'll see, Uh, we'll see

646
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: with Quen yours that that's a that's an interesting move.

647
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: I think that. I do think.

648
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: I will say I do think it's less damning that

649
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: they make it now when they're eliminated from the playoffs,

650
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: because this could also be and whether this is true

651
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: or not, you know, you sell it to too is

652
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: well we're out. You know, I think he's been playing

653
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: through something, right, he's banged up. I mean, he was awful,

654
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: I know, but you can you can sell this as

655
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: I think he's.

656
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: Really like even though they've won some games, like he's been.

657
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: Bad, right, And no I'm not.

658
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: There is also some stuff and I don't necessarily care

659
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: about this at all, but you know, I don't know

660
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 3: how much it rubbed the teammates a great way. And

661
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm not down there.

662
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: But when he said the thing about the meetings or whatever.

663
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: And he's like smiling and like having a great time

664
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: as they're getting blown out by the Steelers, I just

665
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: think that it was over. I think the whole thing.

666
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: I think so too. But I do think it's if

667
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: they were still in playoff contention and they did this,

668
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: it's a lot more damning and and it's still damning,

669
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: but like, you know, okay, like like the commanders are

670
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: doing Jadan Daniels, Hey, we're gonna sit you down. We're

671
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: out of playoffs. We don't want to get hurt. Sure,

672
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: YadA YadA, YadA, like and I don't think that's what

673
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: this is. I think this is a benching. But they

674
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: can at least kind of sell it like that. Where

675
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: is if you bention when you're still alive for the playoffs,

676
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: there's no right, there's no two ways around what that is.

677
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: Fair point. I just think that it's an interesting thing

678
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: to do with Mike McDaniel on such thin ice that

679
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: you're allowing a coach that's job security is not great

680
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 3: to bench a guy that you owe fifty six millions.

681
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: You already know that what's happening to that.

682
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: Coach, But if you're going to fire him, allowing him

683
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: to make a decision like that is bold.

684
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: Well, unless you know you're moving on from both.

685
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: Right, So maybe, but that's the only way that this

686
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: is kind of makes.

687
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: Sense or or it's yeah, like if they're so you're saying, like,

688
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: what if they want to stick it out with two

689
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,959
Speaker 2: of them move on for McDaniels, correct, Well, then it

690
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: becomes well, no, he benched you, so he fired him,

691
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: and now we'll get you a new coach that'll fix it.

692
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's a mess.

693
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: It's a mess.

694
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: It's a mess situation. Let's get back to the Patriots.

695
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: We can talk a little bit more about the Dolphins

696
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: A mess, and I'll come on, we can talk a

697
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: little I thought you were going to go into the

698
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: battle it's but but it's not. It wasn't a mess.

699
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: It was a little extreme, a little extreme.

700
00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: It's a extreme.

701
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 3: So I put some things in the bads that you

702
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: maybe you might think are stuff that gets you beat.

703
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: But I thought, for the most part this was just bad,

704
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: not stuff that gets you beat. Let's start on. Let's

705
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: start with the offense. I just thought, for the first

706
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: time really all year, in the second half of this game,

707
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: I thought separation and just like receivers, seeing coverage and

708
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: understanding things. And I heard you talking a little bit

709
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 3: about Digs yesterday with Badard, and I agree with his

710
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: analysis that it seemed like everybody was confused about what

711
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: the Bills were doing in the second half, not just

712
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: Drake May. And that was a little bit weird to me,

713
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: because like, you have Digs, you have Hunter Henry, you

714
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 3: have Mac Collock. These are veteran guys. Yeah, you know,

715
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: these are veteran receivers. It just didn't seem like they

716
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: really It's like they went and it came out in

717
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: the second half, and they kind of like completely lost

718
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: a feel for the game, like they just didn't really

719
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: know what was going on from like reading out coverages,

720
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: seeing the rotations, all that kind of stuff, and just

721
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: going back to the first half. I come back to

722
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: that play in the two minute drill right before halftime

723
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: where the Bills rotting to cover three, Hunter Henry just

724
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: sits right down in the middle of the zones and

725
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: they hit like an eighteen yard play. And then in

726
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: the second half, they couldn't do that at all, you know,

727
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: they couldn't find the soft spots, they couldn't separate versus

728
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 3: man to man coverage. I think we've known for a

729
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: while now that this receiving gore is average, maybe you know,

730
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: like middling in the NFL, being elevated by a good

731
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 3: scheme and a great quarterback. But this was the first

732
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: time all year where that really came to roost, where

733
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 3: it just didn't feel like the guys were really getting

734
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: open for Drake May on tape and we'll talk about

735
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: Drake May. Don't get me wrong. It wasn't just all

736
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 3: on the receivers, but it was a little bit odd,

737
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 3: like I don't I want to call it concerning because

738
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: it hasn't happened yet until this point. It was more

739
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: just strange that they were all seem so kind of

740
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: flummixed by what the Bills were doing and all they

741
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: you know, they were doing a good job of disguising

742
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 3: it and dressing it up and spitting post snap and

743
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 3: all that good stuff. But they were just playing cover two.

744
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: It wasn't like it was like some exotic coverage that

745
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: they've never seen before. Uh. But I did think that

746
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 3: there was a lot uh in the second half of

747
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: covered snaps, like just where guys were just stuck to

748
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: coverage and couldn't get it separation. And even when there

749
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: were a few opportunities, it wasn't like guys were open

750
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: like it we're talking about, you know, the third down

751
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 3: throw to Hunter Henry that I'm sure Drake may would

752
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: want to have back. He's open, but it's not like

753
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: it's you know, wide open like we've seen some times

754
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 3: this year.

755
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: The whole thing goes back to I hate to keep

756
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: going back to this, but it's a story the game

757
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: for me. You run eighteen plays in the second half,

758
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: they never gotten a rhythm, and we've seen what this

759
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: offense can do when they get in Rythm. We saw

760
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: it in the first half. Yeah, and that impacts everybody

761
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: so and that impacts are out running. I think that

762
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: impacts the connection between the quarterback and the receivers, all

763
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: of it. And I do wonder too if some of

764
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: it was you know, they've got no more man, which

765
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: the Patriots weren't expecting, and that kind of threw some

766
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 2: things off as well.

767
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the last play of the game for

768
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 3: the Patriots, that fourth downplay that gave me some serious

769
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 3: like flashbacks to what this offense has looked like the

770
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 3: last few years, like from like twenty two to twenty four,

771
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 3: where it wasn't good, where you just have guys bottled up,

772
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 3: terrible spacing, like nobody open and it just looks like

773
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: a kind of a jumbled mess and you're just like,

774
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: what is going on here? And they played manton man coverage.

775
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: They dropped the ends out into like little like robber zones.

776
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: It was, but it wasn't like something that Digs and

777
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: Hunter Henry have never seen before that they should have

778
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: been totally stuck like glue to the coverage. It was.

779
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: It was odd. Now, I didn't put it in the

780
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 3: stuff that gets you beat because it hasn't happened routinely yet,

781
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: you know, I want to give them a couple of

782
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 3: some grace here and say, all right, if this happens again,

783
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 3: let's say on Sunday night against the Ravens, then maybe

784
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: we have more of a bigger picture concern here. Right now,

785
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: it's just bad. It's not stuff that gets you beat.

786
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: To me, the other category are things in this category

787
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 3: the run defense. This is just this is starting to

788
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: get under my skin a little bit out, yeah, because

789
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: the one thing that I think is a non negotiable

790
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: for Mike Rabel and this football team. You cannot let

791
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 3: the you know, posing run run running back right up

792
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: the gut, like you can't let them just run it

793
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: right down your throat like that. That is something that

794
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: needs to be unacceptable as a defense, right like especially

795
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: you know the A gaps, Like you can't just run

796
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: like James Cook run right through the A gap every

797
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: single time untouched. That that was concerning this run defense.

798
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 3: Since Milton Williams has gone out, has gone in the tank.

799
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 3: We've all put the stats up at this point, but

800
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 3: they're bottom five in the league and EPA and rushing

801
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: success rates without Milton Williams, after being top ten run

802
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 3: defense from pretty much the entire first nine weeks ten

803
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: weeks of the season. I think this kind of started

804
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: in Tampa. You know, Tampa had some cracks there in

805
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: the run defense with Milton Williams out there, and then

806
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: Milton Williams gets hurt against the Jets and then it's

807
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 3: really gone into the Crappers since then. So the couple

808
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 3: of different things about the run defense. You know, in

809
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: this game, James Cook eighty two for fifteen attempts on

810
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: inside runs, just right down your throat, eighty two rushing

811
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: yards fifteen attempts. That can't happen. You know, at some

812
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: point you have to put your big boys in the

813
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 3: A gaps and say run outside like you got you know,

814
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: like you got to run it someplace else because you're

815
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: not coming in here now. Roberts Blaine should have been

816
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: right there, right like that.

817
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: That right, that's an underrated loss too. Like obviously Milton

818
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: Williams a big part of it. I think, don't leave

819
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: out them not having Roberts Blaine.

820
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: But the fits and we'll get to this and the

821
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: stuff that gets you beat. So I'll put that on

822
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 3: the back burner. But just in general, this run defense

823
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: post Milton Williams injury has kind of fallen apart a

824
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: little bit here, a little bit.

825
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I do think getting him back

826
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: will help. Now they're not going to have him back

827
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: for this game against the Ravens, who run the ball

828
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: really well. So that's you know, and you hope they

829
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: have Roberts Blaine back. We'll see if he's out of

830
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: practice today, first practice of the week. But are there

831
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: some you know, people keep saying, is it a schematic thing?

832
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: Is it just as simple as personnel. I do think

833
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: there's you know, some schematic tweaks, but it's I don't

834
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: think it's a coincidence that the run defense fell off

835
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: when they lost Milton Williams and then and not only that,

836
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: like they've they haven't had Kiros Tonga for parts of

837
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: this stretch. They haven't had Roberts Blaine for parts of

838
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: the stretch. They have Jelani to fe for parts of

839
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: the stresses. Player, this is.

840
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: The spine of your defense.

841
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: Listen, and this is where I, as I said kind

842
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: of when we open the show, I don't think that

843
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: there's no personnel concerns from this game. But it's not

844
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: like past years. It was just like, well the roster sucks. Yeah,

845
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 2: they we knew it going into the season. Like they

846
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 2: did a great job of overhauling the top twenty two,

847
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: you know, the starters on both sides of the ball.

848
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 2: They did a great job upgrading those spots. The depth

849
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: still isn't quite where it needed to be. And you know,

850
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: Tonga looked like maybe an answer there his first game

851
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: back from an injury. I didn't think he had one

852
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: of his better games. I don't know what was going

853
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: on with him. I just I figure he's probably still hurt.

854
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: I don't because I didn't look at it like he

855
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: was physically getting moved. He kept on trying to like

856
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: backdoor their zone runs, so like they were you know

857
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 3: when you run zone, like the brokers are going to

858
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: reach on the line of scrimmage, flowing you know, horizontally

859
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: to the line of scrimmage. And he just kept on

860
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: like trying to swim and shoot gaps into the backfield

861
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 3: on the back door, you know, the backside A or

862
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: the backside B gap, and like nobody was replacing him

863
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 3: in the gap, right, So he was swimming and he

864
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: was jumping in, trying to jump into the backfield, and

865
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 3: there was no fill from the second level or something

866
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 3: or anywhere really to try to replace him, And so

867
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: all James Cook was doing was aiming that run outside

868
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 3: and then just cutting it back right through the middle

869
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: because Tongo was just vacating the middle of the field.

870
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: Like I didn't feel like it was like that Tongo

871
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 3: was getting like manhandled in there. I felt like there

872
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 3: was like what we're like, what are we fitting here?

873
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: Like what's what's the call and what's what's the plan

874
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: of how we're trying to fit the run here? And

875
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 3: I'll admit, like you can't it's really hard to watch

876
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: film and without knowing what the call is defensively to

877
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: tell you like what exactly the fit was like and

878
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: what who's where everybody was supposed to go? But all

879
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: I can tell you is that there was nobody in

880
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 3: the a gap right right and that is obviously not

881
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: how you draw it up. So they were like loading

882
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: the front a little bit to the play side of

883
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: the form and trying they were trying to force the cutbacks,

884
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: like they wanted him to cut back, but there was

885
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: just nobody there for him. You know when he did

886
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: cut back, there just wasn't anybody there, So it was

887
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: more and we'll get to this, like I said, but

888
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: this was more to me. This was more like you know,

889
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: details like this was like not necessarily that I thought

890
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: that they were just getting blown off the ball. It

891
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 3: just felt like they were kind of beating themselves a

892
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: lot in the run game. So I want to put

893
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: that on the back burner because we'll get to it.

894
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: The last thing I had on the back bry just

895
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: to finish that thought like that that the run game.

896
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: To me, I do think the issues are more personnel

897
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: than schematic. Again, it's not to say that they're in

898
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: some things they can do better, like you just highlighted,

899
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 2: but yeah, Spallain or mill Williams and Robert explaining like

900
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: don't forget that part of it too. Getting those guys

901
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: back should be a big help. It's just you know,

902
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: they're not getting mill Williams back for this game. He's

903
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: still not eligible to come off. I are for at

904
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: least another week and then we'll see about Splain.

905
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 3: Right, And I think that two things can be true

906
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 3: at the same time, Like they're not going to be

907
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: a dominant run defense. Without all their guys health. But

908
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: it doesn't got to be it doesn't have to be

909
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 3: bottom of the league, right either.

910
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it shouldn't be this bad, but it's I think

911
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 2: there is an element, there's like a reverse ewing theory

912
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 2: element here where like, it doesn't need to be this bad,

913
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: but because mill Williams was such an important player, as

914
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: they try to reinvent it, because they have to kind

915
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: of reinvent it without them, you go through growing pains

916
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: of trial and error and experimenting with different things. You know.

917
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: I think if they had time, eventually they would water

918
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: would find its level and they'd figure it out. But

919
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: at that point, you'd rather just get in the Lewis

920
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: back sooner at that point than go through all that.

921
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 3: Okay, last thing in the bads and then we got

922
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: to get to the stuff they get to be, which

923
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: is probably gonna be a few minutes of breakdown here.

924
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 3: But just the four man pass rush, yeah, they just

925
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: they don't get home with four against good offensive lines

926
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 3: like Buffalo twenty one percent pressure rate on their four

927
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: man rushes, which you know they use about almost sixty

928
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: percent of the time as most teams do, so they

929
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: need a lot more from Chase On and Landry. Then

930
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: they got in this game, you know, they know a

931
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: lot more. Now, was there an element of you know,

932
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: rush lane integrity and not getting past Josh Allen and

933
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: having to kind of contain him in the pocket from

934
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 3: the edges. I think that's absolutely fair to say that

935
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: there was some element of that. But at the end

936
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: of the day, you can't just let him sit there

937
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: and throw the ball right. You have to get some

938
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: pressure on him, and you have to be able to

939
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 3: get some pressure without blitzing too on occasion, and they

940
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: just didn't have it in this game. You know, Landry

941
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: had the sack in the first half, that was his

942
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: only pressure in the entire game, and then Chason had

943
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 3: one hurry in this game and that was it. They

944
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 3: had two pressures combined out of their starting edge guys. Like,

945
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: that's just not going to cut it. And with Christian

946
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 3: Barmore in the inside getting double teams and triple teams

947
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: all the time, like, there's where's it going to come from?

948
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: You know, it's just not going to come from anywhere

949
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 3: at that point. So they just need more from both

950
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: those guys. And I don't know if that means with

951
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: Landry into particular. I don't know if that means rotating

952
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: him a little bit more with Ponder Jenning is to

953
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: try to keep them fresh. I don't know what the

954
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: response or the answer is there, but they just need

955
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: more four man pass rush. They can't blitz all the time,

956
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: so you have to find a way to get some

957
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 3: pressure with four.

958
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: It's funny I before the game, I was kind of

959
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: getting started. We we've obviously it's been great. We haven't

960
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: really done draft talk this year because we haven't had to,

961
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 2: but I'm still gonna have up tomorrow my like players

962
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: to watch in the college football playoff thing for Patriots fans. Yeah,

963
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: And I put the list together a Thursday Friday last

964
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: week whenever it was and I was like, there's a

965
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: lot of edge rushers on here. My two edge rusher

966
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 2: had out. I think it's on the n I saw

967
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 2: that game and I put I added another edge rusher

968
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: to the list. I was between an edge rusher and

969
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: wide receiver from one team, and I was like, Nope,

970
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna add more edge rushers to this. Like it's

971
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: a great edge class. We're gonna talk. There's a lot

972
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: of names we're gonna get familiar with people already probably

973
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: familiar with some cash as Hall, Dave Bailey, Romelo Height. Like,

974
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna get ready for a lot of edge rusher.

975
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: Talk to Spring by the way, you'll have your time

976
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: to talk about your edge. Well, I'm gonna add this

977
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: real quick. I texted you this morning, but I'm just

978
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: gonna put it out there now. The top edge guy

979
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: in the class who the Patriots probably have a shot

980
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: at Rumbain. Yeah, there are questions about his arm length,

981
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: about his arm light. Here we go, so we get

982
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: to do that whole thing. Well, they're not going to

983
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: be picking that well unless.

984
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: Is falls because of his arms, and then we do

985
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: have to be a pretty big fall. But yeah, they

986
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: to me, and I know we're going to probably talk

987
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: a little bit about receivers and playmakers on offense, which

988
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 3: is absolutely in neat as well. I think they could

989
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 3: still use that top guys too, But I think edge

990
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 3: rusher right now is the number one night.

991
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: And oddly enough, because again, as I was going through this,

992
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, which guy do I take from

993
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: each team? There's a lot of teams with a really

994
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: good receiver and a really good edge rusher. We're going

995
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: to be talking about a total of like ten schools.

996
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, this whole.

997
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: Spring, because all the players that that are fits are

998
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: on the same teams.

999
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 3: All right, let's go over to the stuff togainst you

1000
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: beat and you'll have your special teams minute here in

1001
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 3: a second.

1002
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just glad it's in this category.

1003
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 3: So the first thing that I have here, let's stick

1004
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: on the defense, because we were talking by the defense,

1005
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 3: and we'll get back to the offense. So in the

1006
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: Patriots meeting room, they have a sign that has the

1007
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: team identity and these are basically just like non negotiables

1008
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: for Mike Rable. Number one is effort in finish. Yeah right,

1009
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 3: That's that's like kind of his mantra. That's his thing.

1010
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 3: That's one of his sayings. Effort and finish is number one.

1011
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: Do you remember against Tampa Bay Tony Romo said that

1012
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 3: the Patriots were DTF and everybody made a big deal

1013
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: about it on the broadcast because of what the other

1014
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: meeting of DTF is. Well, they have their own meeting

1015
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: of DTF. And my guess is that this is either

1016
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: just football lingo across the league that you hear a lot,

1017
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 3: or Mike Rabel said it to Tony Romo in a

1018
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: production meeting, But the Patriots version of DTF is details, technique, fundamentals, right,

1019
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 3: those three things. And I just thought defensively in this

1020
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: game they were not DTF at all. Like their pass

1021
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: rush was kind of a jumbled mess. Their run fits

1022
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: were kind of a jumbled mess. I thought coverage at

1023
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: times they were busting coverages at different times in this game. Uh,

1024
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit more.

1025
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 6: You know.

1026
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: The one the plays that stood out to me that

1027
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 3: really bugged me the third and seven backed up they

1028
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: have Buffalo backed up. It's third and seven from the

1029
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: Buffalo twelve. They I don't know what they were doing

1030
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: up front. They like had guys running into each other upfront,

1031
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: Like we talk about that a lot with like routes

1032
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 3: spacing on offense. This was that equivalent but on defense

1033
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: where they'd literally have dudes running into each other in

1034
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: the pass rush and picking each other. And in the

1035
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 3: back end, Uh, they someone didn't carry or someone didn't

1036
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 3: pass off or something in zone and h Dalton Kincaid

1037
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 3: is just wide open in the middle of the field.

1038
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 3: The coordination of the defense in this game was poor.

1039
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 3: They did not tackle. Well, they had ten miss tackles

1040
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 3: in this game as well, But overall, I you know,

1041
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: we were talking just about this with the personnel versus

1042
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: the scheme. If you play a good offense like Buffalo

1043
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 3: and you're not sharp on the details and the techniques

1044
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: and the fundamentals, you were going to give up thirty

1045
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 3: five points. Like That's just the way that this goes

1046
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 3: in this league. When you play a good quarterback, you

1047
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 3: can't make mistakes like that. You just can't. And that's

1048
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: exactly what Mike Rabel said on Monday. So this is

1049
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 3: just one of those things where, yeah, you were shorthanded defensively,

1050
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 3: you don't have Splin, you don't have Milton Williams. But

1051
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: if you were a DTF, I think that you don't

1052
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: give up five straight touchdown drives and lose the game.

1053
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah? No, I mean they got sloppy, and we

1054
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: talked last week about how the Bills were sloppy, and

1055
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: you know, the Patriots, you know, you didn't count on

1056
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 2: them playing a clean game. I don't think the Bills

1057
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: played a perfectly clean game either, but the Patriots were

1058
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 2: the sloppier team.

1059
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, absolutely, So then the other things you know,

1060
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 3: going to the offense. I do think that it's fair

1061
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 3: to second guess the second half play calling, but not

1062
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: necessarily just because they didn't run the ball enough. I

1063
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: think that's part of it. But you know, they're getting

1064
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 3: all these too high state safety structures from Buffalo. Eighty

1065
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 3: six percent of the time, the Bill has played two

1066
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: high safeties in the second half, and we all talk

1067
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: about it when you know they're playing well. Drake May

1068
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 3: is the best deep ball thrower in the NFL. So

1069
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 3: the Bills said, you're not thrown deep. If you're gonna

1070
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 3: beat us, it's gonna be by taking profits. It's gonna

1071
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: be by driving the ball. You're gonna have to go

1072
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: on ten twelve play drives. They kind of just said

1073
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: enough is enough on the big plays. Now most of

1074
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 3: the big players are on the ground in this game.

1075
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: But regardless, they said, we're not giving up, you know,

1076
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 3: one play sixty five yard touchdown drives anymore. We're gonna

1077
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 3: make you march it in the fourth quarter. We're gonna

1078
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 3: play two high safeties, we're gonna play man to man

1079
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 3: underneath it, and you're gonna have to find ways to

1080
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: beat us. And it was just disappointing that Josh McDaniels

1081
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 3: did not have any sort of beater ready, right, Like,

1082
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 3: you have to there's got to be something that you

1083
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: can do against two man to get somebody open, you know,

1084
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 3: and I know it's it's a difficult coverage because the

1085
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 3: guys are sitting inside levery and this team and this

1086
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: offense wants to throw the ball breaking into the middle

1087
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 3: of the field. And that's exactly what Buffalo took away

1088
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 3: in this game. They took away the deep ball, and

1089
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 3: they took away the middle of the field, which is

1090
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 3: where the Patriots live as an offense. So they're trying

1091
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: to make you play left handed, and they deserve credit

1092
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 3: for doing that. But at the same time, your offensive

1093
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: coordinator needs to at some point like you have to

1094
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: have something right. And I also would say we talked

1095
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 3: about this going into the game, that this is what

1096
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 3: Buffalo was going to do. Now, it took them a

1097
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 3: half to figure it out, but I knew going into

1098
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: the game they were going to play cover two. I

1099
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: knew it because that's what they did in the first

1100
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: half in Week five that gave the Patriots trouble. In

1101
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 3: Week five second half, they come out, they start blitzing

1102
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 3: and doing all this ridiculous stuff, and Drake May tore

1103
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 3: them apart. That's what the first half looked like this time,

1104
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 3: and the second half looked like the first half in

1105
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: Week five. So I do I hold Josh m McDaniels

1106
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 3: accountable because he's really good at his job and he's

1107
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 3: the veteran OC, and I think that they should have

1108
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 3: been able to find a way to scheme some stuff

1109
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: open in the passing game, even if it was just

1110
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: to get Drake May into a rhythm and then maybe

1111
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 3: he makes some plays. But once you're asking him, you know,

1112
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to absolve him. We're gonna get the Drake.

1113
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 3: But once you ask him in the fourth quarter, you know,

1114
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 3: there's two thirty left and you have to drive the field.

1115
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 3: Like he's already out of whack at that point, right,

1116
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: and so like at some point you have to get

1117
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: him some easy completions. You had to get him a

1118
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 3: rhythm and then maybe he could have pulled out that

1119
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: two minute drive to win the football game. So I

1120
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: think both of them kind of sharing it equally. You know,

1121
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 3: he didn't play well. McDaniels didn't call it particularly well.

1122
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: And they lost.

1123
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 2: What's the opposite of complimentary, not like complimentary, like.

1124
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 3: Like complimentary football, Yeah, I mean non complimentary.

1125
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: I don't try I'm trying to think if there's an exact,

1126
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 2: incomparable or contrasting. Okay, so it was contrasting football because

1127
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: I mean there's some truth to it all you say,

1128
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: to everything you said. But again, it's also it's hard

1129
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: to get into that rhythm and develop when you can't

1130
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: stay on the field and when the defense can't get

1131
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: you the ball back and this and that. So yeah,

1132
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: it's a little bit on everybody. I just when I

1133
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: look at the play calling, get eighteen plays to work with. Yeah,

1134
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 2: there's only so much you can do in eighteen plays.

1135
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 2: It's just the reality of it, right, which.

1136
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 3: Is why it's important to establish get a few.

1137
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: First downs, establish some Drake said that after the game

1138
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: when he was asked what went wrong in the second half,

1139
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 2: So we couldn't get the first first down?

1140
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So that's a big thing to me. I

1141
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 3: think that that first first down is a big emphasis

1142
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 3: for Josh McDaniels as well, in terms of drive starters

1143
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 3: and things like that. That's always big with him, Like

1144
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: we got to get the first first down in the

1145
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 3: drive and get the drive moving, and they weren't able

1146
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 3: to do that in this game. Then there's the whole

1147
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 3: conversation about Drake May in the second half of this game.

1148
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 3: He was not good. I mean, there's really just no

1149
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 3: other way to put it. You know, five minus plays

1150
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 3: for me in this second half. I only had him

1151
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,479
Speaker 3: with one plus play. He had the turnover worthy play

1152
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 3: on the spray to Henry that hit Jordan Poyer right

1153
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: in the face. It should have been an interesting He

1154
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 3: was not good. I didn't think that he was very

1155
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 3: decisive or saw the field well. He wasn't, you know.

1156
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 3: Vrabel said this on Monday and kind of back it up.

1157
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 3: He wasn't. His first reads were covered a lot in

1158
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: the first half and the second half, excuse me, his

1159
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 3: first reads and the progressions were covered a lot, and

1160
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 3: he wasn't progressing quickly enough off the first read like

1161
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 3: if it's covered, move on right like that was what

1162
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 3: Rabel's message kind of was, and he didn't do that

1163
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 3: very well in this half of football. You know, the

1164
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 3: throw to Hunter Henry on third down. I know a

1165
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 3: lot of people are going to call it a drop.

1166
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was a good ball. You know,

1167
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: it's behind him and makes Hunter Henry make like a

1168
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 3: twisting kind of catch attempt at it. If that's out

1169
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 3: in front of Hunter Henry where it should be, it's

1170
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: a first down, you know. So they just didn't play well.

1171
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: And I don't need to drag him for it. We

1172
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: don't need to kill him for it. But if you're

1173
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 3: being objective, it was not a good half of football

1174
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 3: for him, and you know, you expect better and he

1175
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: can definitely play better, you know, you see that. So

1176
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 3: putting these two together of you know, the lack of

1177
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: answers that they had schematically for what Buffalo is doing

1178
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: and Drake may struggling in this game, I just wonder,

1179
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 3: you know, if they see this again and whether we

1180
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: can kind of get into whether it's a blueprint not

1181
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 3: a blueprint whatever. You know, if they see this from Baltimore,

1182
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: if they see this in the playoffs, you know, what

1183
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 3: do they kind of go to to have better answers

1184
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 3: the second time around? I think will be important.

1185
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean some of it's just the accuracy, right,

1186
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: like the sprays came back, and you know, when you

1187
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: don't have answers, you start getting sped up, and that's

1188
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 2: where some of those those accuracy issues come from. But

1189
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 2: they've seen it now, right for all to talk about, Okay,

1190
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: this is the blue Is this the blueprint for Drake

1191
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 2: May And we've said a lot this year, Okay, that

1192
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 2: might be the blueprint. And he comes out the next

1193
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: week in shreds and so we'll see expect the Ravens

1194
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 2: to do a lot of what the Bills did. But

1195
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: you've seen it now, right, So now they can start

1196
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: trying to put together some answers. They have a whole

1197
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: week to start putting together some answers.

1198
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 3: It was very weird to see him struggle so much

1199
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 3: with two high safeties because he's shredded two high safeties

1200
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 3: all season long, and this game he just didn't see

1201
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 3: it well, just wasn't seeing the field well, wasn't seeing

1202
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 3: the rotations and stuff like that well. And then throw

1203
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 3: it particularly well either. So not a great half of

1204
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: the quarterback. All right, last thing here and then we

1205
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 3: can stop being so doom and gloom about this. The

1206
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 3: kickoff coverage, man, I mean fifty eight forty five and

1207
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 3: then thirty eight plus the fifteen yard penalty makesed that

1208
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 3: a fifty three yard net return as well change the game,

1209
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: Ray Davis, and the kickoff return changed the entire game.

1210
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: You know, they get two big kickoff returns in a

1211
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 3: row that sets up two short fields, two touchdown drives

1212
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 3: for Buffalo to get back in the football game. This

1213
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: was one of those times. And this is often the

1214
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 3: case with special teams, kind of like offensive line. Usually

1215
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: only talk about it if it's really good or really bad.

1216
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 3: This is one of the times we're talking about it

1217
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 3: because it was really bad.

1218
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again you go back to the big gear,

1219
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: you go back to Thursday and Jeremy Springer talked about

1220
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: how they were going to be a threat. And after

1221
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,280
Speaker 2: I think the third return and the offense, the Patriot's

1222
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 2: still somewhat in control the game at this point. But

1223
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 2: after the third return, I turned to Matt Dollf I said,

1224
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: this is exactly what happened when the Bills played the

1225
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: Buccaneers a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, was the Buccaneers

1226
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: had control that game early on, but the Bills broke

1227
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: a couple of not like highlight tape returns, But they're

1228
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: getting right around midfield and now the offense has a

1229
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: short field and they're able to start getting in a rhythm.

1230
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: And you know I've said this, some people said, well,

1231
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: you know, this first couple of kick returns, the Patriots

1232
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: are still in control the game. But the Bills offense

1233
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: started getting their legs under them. And then when they

1234
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: had to drive longer down the field later on, they'd

1235
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: already kind of been able to figure out some things

1236
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: that work when they'd worked on those shorter fields. So

1237
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: you just can't have it. Goes back to what we

1238
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: talked about turning the trade ubline about the Patriots acquirming

1239
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: and kick return. Now, I Thinkyle Wims been good in

1240
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: that role, should have had a big return, got wiped

1241
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 2: out by a penalty. I do want to add one

1242
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: more that reminds me to the things that get you beat.

1243
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 3: But yeah, I knew.

1244
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: I say, yeah, you can't have it. You just can't

1245
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: have it. Can't be giving over their first five drives.

1246
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: So this is through the opening kickoff of the second half,

1247
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: the Bill's average starting field position was the Patriots forty

1248
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: two yard line when you take out the one that

1249
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: came off a punt, So the first four kickoffs for

1250
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: the Patriots, the Bill's average starting field position was the

1251
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: forty nine yard line. Yeah, you can't win that way.

1252
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: You can make a good offense, you cannot win only

1253
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: giving a team half the field.

1254
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was a huge part of the game.

1255
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: Vrabel really stressed it Sunday and Monday, saying we can't

1256
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: leave out the field position that day. You know, we

1257
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 3: were putting the defense in some tough spots, especially against

1258
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: you know, the raigning MVP. Those are some tough spots

1259
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 3: to be in. That's not to absolve the defense, but

1260
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 3: all of this goes hand in hand. And you know,

1261
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 3: when we'd unpack this loss, this was all three phases

1262
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: in the second half of this game that came apart.

1263
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,919
Speaker 3: You know, like, this isn't just Drake May. I've seen

1264
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 3: a lot of that that this loss is on Drake May.

1265
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 3: I think that's bullshit. Honestly, I think that that's frankly bs.

1266
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: And a big reason why is because of all the

1267
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 3: things that we've just talked about about the other two

1268
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 3: phases of the game, Like the defense gave of five

1269
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 3: straight touchdown drives, the kickoff coverage was not good, Like

1270
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 3: you can't just take those things out and say, well,

1271
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: you know, the quarterback should just save everybody all the time,

1272
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 3: like that's not fair to hit.

1273
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 2: It was again, it was everything. It was. It was offense, defense,

1274
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 2: special teams. It was a lotdown in all three phases.

1275
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 3: So you really have to put into all of it.

1276
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, just we got a break, but

1277
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: the kickoff coverage just really quickly they got schemed up

1278
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 3: in the kickoff coverage. Now I'm not a kickoff coverage savant.

1279
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 3: I don't know enough about it to tell you. I

1280
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 3: don't know if they got schemed up because the Bills

1281
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 3: saw something in the Patriots kickoff coverage and how they

1282
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 3: cover kicks, or if the Bills just have these kind

1283
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 3: of neat little wrinkles in their scheme and and the

1284
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: Patriots just weren't totally prepared for it. Either way, it's

1285
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 3: not good. But if it's something that the Bill saw

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Speaker 3: on tape that they could expose with the Patriots, I'd

1287
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 3: say that's probably worse because now you're gonna go up

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Speaker 3: against Baltimore and John Hart, a former special teams coordinator,

1289
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Speaker 3: He's going to see the same things on the film, right,

1290
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Speaker 3: He's gonna be able to design it up. So the

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Speaker 3: first big kickoff return they had, they basically ran power.

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Speaker 3: They had pulled a guy from the other side of

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Speaker 3: the field in front, like as a lead blocker, and

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Speaker 3: created a crease. The second one, they put an offensive

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Speaker 3: lineman at in the middle of the field, which is

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Speaker 3: not usually you don't see offensive linemen on the field

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Speaker 3: on kickoff return. So you see an offensive lineman there

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the field, you know, he just

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Speaker 3: opens a hole for Davis. A third one was kind

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Speaker 3: of more just like straight kickoff, like normal kickoff return.

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Speaker 3: But it was really just all three times they kind

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Speaker 3: of got schemed up, and I think that was a

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01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 3: little bit worrisome as well. So can't have it, Like

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Speaker 3: you said, you can't special teams is just like offensive

1305
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 3: line to me, you can't have wild swings either way. Right,

1306
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 3: You just want the special teams to not get you beat.

1307
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 3: It doesn't necessarily need to win you the game, but

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01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 3: it can't get you beat either. In this game, it

1309
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 3: was definitely part of the things that got you beat.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's take a hang on. Okay, I want

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Speaker 3: to add one more thing though, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: It's seven penalties, yes, five month third or fourth down

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Speaker 2: two on kickoffs.

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Speaker 3: I'm not rolling my eyes because I disagree that it

1315
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 3: wasn't a factor in this game because it was. I'm

1316
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 3: rolling my eyes because those penalties were so borderline penalties.

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01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 2: I think the more egregious was the non calls compared

1318
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: to the calls.

1319
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 3: The call on Carlton Davis is bad.

1320
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: So here's the thing with Carlon Davis went to make

1321
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Speaker 2: I've seen that called before and and it's a TICKI

1322
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 2: tak call. I would rather they not call it. I've

1323
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: seen it called. The bigger issue and this goes back

1324
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Speaker 2: to something I've talked about all year. There's poorly officiated

1325
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: games and there's unfairly officiated games. Different things. So a

1326
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: a all unfairly officiated game are poorly officiated. A game

1327
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 2: could be poorly officiated without being unfairly officiated. I said,

1328
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Speaker 2: because I know the Bills fans are all hot and

1329
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 2: bothered on this, I said Week five was a poorly

1330
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: officiated game. It didn't impact the outcome, neither did it here.

1331
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 2: But there's a certain operational level I think it's fair

1332
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 2: to expect from officials in the National Football League. As

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01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 2: Carlton Davis said, it should not take you ten seconds

1334
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 2: to get the flag out right. It's like in baseball,

1335
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Speaker 2: when an umpire.

1336
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Speaker 3: Does you know it when you see it, it's either

1337
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 3: it's either a penalty or it's not a penalty. And

1338
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 3: if you have to sit there and think about it,

1339
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 3: then it's probably not a penalty.

1340
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: You shouldn't right, if you have to reconsider it, don't

1341
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 2: call it. That's just that should be the instruction point.

1342
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Speaker 3: It was not as delayed, but it was kind of

1343
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 3: like in New Orleans.

1344
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 2: Finished his celebration in New Orleans.

1345
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, when they scored that touchdown and then they like

1346
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 3: had the extra point team on the field and they

1347
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 3: called it. They called a penalty for a pass interference,

1348
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 3: like out of nowhere. Look, the reason why I didn't

1349
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 3: have it is because I feel like it was a

1350
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 3: bit a poorly officiated game. And so I have a

1351
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 3: tough time sitting here today and saying you got you know,

1352
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,479
Speaker 3: you were sloppy and he had too many penalties called

1353
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 3: on you, because I just didn't really think the game

1354
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 3: was very well.

1355
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 2: Efficient to the two penalties on the kickoff were there? Definitely,

1356
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 2: the face mask on score yeah. The faalse start and

1357
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 2: hold were there, yep, And those are very costly penalties.

1358
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but the hold on The kickoff too by

1359
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 3: Mapu is tough because all he's got to do is

1360
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 3: let go, like right, Like all you gotta do is

1361
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 3: as you know, so Kyle Williams reversus field, which is tough. Right.

1362
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 3: You don't know your back is to him, so you

1363
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 3: don't know that he's reversing field. But all you got

1364
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 3: to do when you feel the guy trying to go

1365
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 3: outside of you is just is just let go and

1366
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 3: then it's not holding.

1367
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 2: The two that I questioned the most were the Marcus

1368
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 2: Jones went, I don't know what the hell happened there

1369
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 2: between the catch non catch and whether or not it

1370
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 2: was a penalty like that. That thing was a mess. Yeah,

1371
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: and the non call on the ball the hole Hollins

1372
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 2: with Tray White, which happened to be similar plays, right,

1373
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 2: because you know, my thing with the officials like be consistent.

1374
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 3: I had as much of an issue with the Hollands

1375
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 3: one as I did with the Davis one. So the

1376
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,959
Speaker 3: Hollins ones, it's a it's a heave, it's an arm punt.

1377
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 2: So here's my issue with the Hollands one. You know,

1378
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 2: people might look at that and say, well it wasn't catchable.

1379
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 2: They have not really cared this year. Really going back

1380
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: to last year. It wasn't that it wasn't catchable, It

1381
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: just what was the one to what was the Mark

1382
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 2: Jones one?

1383
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 3: I couldn't explain. There was an arm punt, So this

1384
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 3: was that wasn't an arm punk? Yeah it was, No,

1385
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 3: it wasn't. There was. There was a fourth down play

1386
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: and like they.

1387
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: Don't do the Josh Allen thing, that was as much

1388
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:40,919
Speaker 2: an arm point.

1389
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 3: No, not even close. Yes, what do you mean? They

1390
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 3: took the safety out of the middle of the field

1391
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 3: and it was the read of where he's supposed to

1392
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 3: go with the ball.

1393
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 2: It's fourth and three and he hums went down the

1394
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: field to a covered player.

1395
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 3: I that was not an arm punt.

1396
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: Those two you either call both of those or you

1397
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: call neither of those, and I'd be.

1398
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 3: Throwing either a fifty plus yard bomb down the right side.

1399
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 2: Well, it was a little more of an arm punt

1400
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 2: than the other. But that was that was the catch.

1401
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: Was not an arm that that was that was an effort.

1402
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 2: Let's see what happens he from Josh Allen. That was.

1403
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 2: Let's not act like that was some unbelievable other worldly play.

1404
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: It's not what that was.

1405
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Speaker 3: I didn't say that. I just said that that was

1406
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 3: that was the play.

1407
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 2: It's fourth down. There's nothing here. I'm gonna throw this

1408
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 2: up in hunting.

1409
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 3: I don't think that that was nothing there.

1410
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 2: There was nothing there, no here. Jones is right there.

1411
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 3: I'm trying to explain to you what happened. Okay, the

1412
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 3: safety's in the middle of the field. It was Jalen Hawkins.

1413
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 3: They run mesh right, the wheel comes out of the

1414
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 3: backfield from the running back. Jalen Hawkins takes the running

1415
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 3: back out of the backfield, so it's basically cover zero. Okay,

1416
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 3: there's nobody in the part of the field, so he's

1417
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 3: one on one down the field with Shakiir and Marcus Jones.

1418
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 3: That's the only place there was to go with the ball.

1419
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 2: Okay, it's josh Allen. Yeah, couldn't run around scramble whatever

1420
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 2: he threw to covered receiver down the field.

1421
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 3: I don't even think he threw to a cover receiver.

1422
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I think Marcus Jones did

1423
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 3: a really good job of driving the catch point. But

1424
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 3: I don't think he was like he was not like

1425
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,439
Speaker 3: wide open by any means. But Marcus Jones got beat

1426
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 3: off the line of scrimmage on the play.

1427
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Speaker 2: Like I'm I don't know. Those two plays should have

1428
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 2: been called the same way. To me, there are very

1429
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 2: similar plays. They should have been called the same way.

1430
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 2: I'd be fine if they threw a flag on neither. Personally,

1431
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Speaker 2: That's how I'd rather they do it. I think that

1432
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: the Jones was sticky tack. It also definitely wasn't caught.

1433
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Speaker 2: But whatever. But again, the officiating didn't ultimately impact the

1434
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Speaker 2: outcome of the game. To me, you plow a twenty

1435
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Speaker 2: one point lead, it's a lot more in officiating, but

1436
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1437
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Speaker 2: out the clock at the end of the first half,

1438
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Speaker 2: and they weren't all plays consistently, and they're throwing the

1439
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Speaker 3: Thanks for waiting. On hold, We're going to get to

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01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 3: the calls, the emails. We'll talk a little Ravens before

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Speaker 3: the show wraps up. Tony is in Canada. What's up, Tony?

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Speaker 11: Hey, guys, good morning. Before I forget, I'm sure we

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01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 11: won't chat again. So happy holidays to all of you guys.

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01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 3: Thank you too, Thank you.

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01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 11: Yeah. So you know, I'm still trying to figure out

1512
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 11: the Buffalo loss, and definitely I agree listening to the

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01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 11: show it was all three phases that cost us the game.

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01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 11: But if I have to put my finger on one

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01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 11: one of those three phases. I'm going to put it

1516
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 11: on the offense because the defense are all banged up

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01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 11: and we can expect much more of the same next game.

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01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 11: Baltimore is going to want to run the ball and

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01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 11: we have a scrambling quarterback. But I'm going to put

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01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 11: it on the offense. Like you guys said, we're the

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01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 11: highest scoring offensive team in the first half, and in

1522
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 11: the second half, things just shut down. If you take

1523
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 11: away that run from Anderson in the second half, which

1524
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 11: was unbelievable, and you can't count on that very often.

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01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 11: We were really scoreless in the second half.

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Speaker 5: I'd like to see.

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01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 11: May scramble more, uses legs more, especially in those like

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01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 11: at the last drive, third down, four down, only five

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01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 11: yards we needed. I was surprised he didn't use his

1530
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 11: legs and Buffalo did go to man to man and

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01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 11: there was no separation with the receivers. So that's all

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01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 11: I have to say. I'm gonna listen to the rest

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01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 11: of the show. Thanks again, guys, and go path.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Tony, thanks for the call. Yeah, we talked a

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01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 3: little bit about that on PU yesterday. Alex just you

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01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 3: know it wasn't. The system wasn't working right. There wasn't.

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01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 3: The guys weren't getting schemed open. The receivers were having

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01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 3: trouble separating, you know, So could Drake may have just

1539
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 3: gone playground mode and start running around and try to

1540
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 3: make some plays. I think there's some truth to that. Now,

1541
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 3: Buffalo did strategically spy him a couple of times on

1542
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 3: third and fourth down, and they had a nice nice

1543
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 3: job of doing that on a handful of plays. So

1544
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 3: you know, the third down that he threw the ball

1545
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 3: up the sideline to Henderson kind of into no man's land,

1546
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 3: there was a spy on that play, So I didn't

1547
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 3: know if he necessarily could have ran. I mean, he's fast.

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01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 3: He hit twenty point whatever miles an hour running in

1549
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 3: front of Trevon Henderson, So could he run away from

1550
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 3: the spy. Sure he could have. But you know that's

1551
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 3: what teams are gonna do. They're gonna keep him in

1552
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,560
Speaker 3: the pocket. They're gonna make him read it out, you know,

1553
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 3: find the open guys like you. He had booty on

1554
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 3: the backside coming across the field on the shallow on

1555
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 3: that particular play, so as somebody you know, watching it,

1556
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 3: It's easy for me to say with a clicker, but

1557
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 3: I would have rather him come off the covered side

1558
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 3: and come to the backside crosser and hit Booty coming

1559
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 3: across the field and give him a chance to get

1560
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 3: the first down. But I do hear the argument that

1561
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 3: when there's nothing there and the plays aren't developing the

1562
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 3: way you want them to develop, he has that second

1563
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 3: reaction ability to just kind of start going playground mode

1564
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 3: on everybody, and maybe he could have done that a

1565
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 3: little bit more. Patty is an aguan. What's up, Patty?

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01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 5: Hey, Good morning, Jens.

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01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 4: Hey.

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Speaker 5: I just want to share the same sentiment. Happy holidays

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01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,600
Speaker 5: to you guys. If you remember last Wednesday when I

1570
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 5: called in, I said that I believe that offensive execution

1571
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 5: was going to be paramount to the past win in

1572
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 5: the game and to me, and like, it just brings

1573
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 5: up what happened in the second half brings up a

1574
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 5: much bigger problem just for this season, because I mean,

1575
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 5: I know we see that like they don't have the depth,

1576
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 5: you know, especially defensively. But I think the only game

1577
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 5: that I could say that they probably played a good

1578
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 5: sixty minute game was the Panthers game. And to me,

1579
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 5: that's like the biggest it's it's the thing that's going

1580
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 5: to hamstring them the most going forward and into the playoffs.

1581
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 5: But I mean, I'm already, I'm listening. I'm alright with it.

1582
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 5: I kind of feel like we're playing with house money.

1583
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 5: I do think they're going to win the division and

1584
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 5: you know, hopefully want a playoff game this year. But

1585
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 5: I just think that, like when they do get to

1586
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 5: the playoffs, And I said this on the postgame show,

1587
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 5: you have to play sixty em in a game against

1588
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 5: good teams and because if you don't, you can't expect

1589
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 5: to play one half of good football and expect to win.

1590
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 5: That's that's my uh, that's my little rant. And I

1591
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 5: just wanted to get your guys opinion what that What

1592
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,759
Speaker 5: the hell do you think is going on with Christian Zalids.

1593
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll take that question off here.

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01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the call. Bat. It just on the

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01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 3: first thing. That was sort of why I opened the

1596
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 3: show the way that I opened, because I do think

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01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 3: there is an element of they might just not be

1598
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 3: quite their talent wise to play sixty four minutes against

1599
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 3: a good team like Buffalo. Well, and that's not to

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01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 3: let them off the hook. But it's just they might

1601
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 3: be a little bit, a few pieces away from being

1602
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 3: that kind of but I do think they're more talented

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01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:45,799
Speaker 3: team at this point than Buffalo.

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01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 2: Now the injury is hurt, but I don't know, after

1605
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:54,560
Speaker 2: Allen and Cook, where does Buffalo have? Line's good? The

1606
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 2: line's very good. I shouldn't say the offense lines a

1607
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 2: very good, but like, yeah, not a lot of talent

1608
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 2: on the defense on a wide receiver, you know, it's

1609
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 2: all in the running backs tight ends the line.

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01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I say. It's close, and that I

1611
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 3: think that that's reassuring even though you lost the game,

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01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 3: Like you saw two teams on the field, and I

1613
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 3: don't want to offend anybody in Denver, so I'll say, yeah,

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01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 3: two of the three best teams in the AFC maybe

1615
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 3: played that game on Sunday, Like I think you could

1616
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 3: really make.

1617
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 2: There's only four one of four teams gonna come out

1618
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:24,759
Speaker 2: of the a FC, and there may be different odds

1619
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 2: for each, but it's only gonna be one of four

1620
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 2: teams in my mind, to come out of the AFC.

1621
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 2: And I'm just listening in the order off the top

1622
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 2: of my head. Patriots, Bills, Broncos, Texans.

1623
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. See, I don't see it for the Texans, but

1624
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 3: I agree with you all that defense. It's a really

1625
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 3: good defense. But they're gonna have to go on the

1626
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 3: road three straight games, and I just.

1627
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 2: That defense will travel.

1628
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe they get the maybe they do catch the Jaguars,

1629
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 3: but it's gonna be hard.

1630
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 5: All right.

1631
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 2: But all right, let me ask you this. Are the

1632
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 2: Texans closer to the Patriots, Broncos, and Bills or are

1633
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: they closer to these Steelers, Jaguars and Chargers.

1634
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 3: Probably the first group, but I think the Jaguars are

1635
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 3: kind of sneak.

1636
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 2: We'll see with the Jaguars.

1637
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 3: And I'm not getting too caught up with what happened

1638
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 3: on the Jets, but every single time I try to,

1639
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 3: I keep on thinking the Jaguars are going to be

1640
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 3: the Jaguars. They keep winning, so I have to give

1641
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 3: them credit. I do give them credit.

1642
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: But they beat the Jets, they beat the Colts without

1643
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 2: a quarterback, they beat the Titans, they beat the Cardinals,

1644
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: like that's their win streak right now. They do have

1645
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 2: a win against the Chargers at home like they have.

1646
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 2: We could do the easy schedule thing with them too,

1647
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 2: and Houston has beat them, I think twice this year

1648
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 2: and now they split. But just to one more thing,

1649
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 2: to Patty's point, like you hope this game is Mike

1650
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 2: Rabels said earlier this year, and I look, I think

1651
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 2: it was a good quote. You'd rather learn from winning

1652
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 2: than you would learn from losing. Yeah, and I think

1653
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 2: that's a good approach. But I do think there's some

1654
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 2: things that are just gonna be hammered home with a

1655
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 2: loss more than they are with a win. And the

1656
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 2: playing sixty minutes the fourth quarter all that, it's kind

1657
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 2: of easy for that to go in one ear and

1658
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 2: out the other if you're still winning. And so you

1659
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 2: hope that this isn't. You don't want them to be

1660
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 2: one of those teams, sorry, Evan, like the forty nine

1661
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 2: ers that can't hold the lead in a big game.

1662
01:16:59,479 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 3: Don't smur.

1663
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 2: I think Kyle Shannon is the most blown fourth quarter

1664
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:02,919
Speaker 2: leagues in the NFL.

1665
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 3: Because this is this is You've done a nice job

1666
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 3: of not making this show about this, because this is

1667
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 3: the crux of your frustration of this. Yeah, you are, mister,

1668
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 3: don't blow big lead, don't blow le Kyle Shanahan is

1669
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 3: your right.

1670
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 2: You so put them on that level because they did

1671
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 2: it once. Yeah, and they did it in a regular

1672
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 2: season game. Kyle Shanahan has done it in multiple Super

1673
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 2: bowl Kyle, by the way, one more year, one more

1674
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 2: year until he's out of the Marv Leavy list. By

1675
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 2: the way, one more year.

1676
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 3: Can we just this is not the forty nine ers show.

1677
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 3: But Kyle Shannan has done a hell of a job

1678
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 3: with that San Francisco team this year.

1679
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 2: You know what, he's a great regular season coach. You

1680
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 2: know what I have to see. We both know.

1681
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 3: But they have been decimated by and and you know.

1682
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 2: Credit to Mac Jones, your credit to Jones. Jones not playing,

1683
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: Jones not played.

1684
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 3: Wekay, can you finish your point? Don't blow big le

1685
01:17:59,640 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 3: you hold.

1686
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 2: It's a wake up call. And I trust Rabel, Like

1687
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 2: Rabel's a coach I trust in this situation. So okay,

1688
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 2: like this is what happens when you let go of

1689
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: the rope. Don't do it again. But it is something

1690
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 2: that's now on the radar. But you know next time

1691
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 2: that you know, let's say they get up big on

1692
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 2: the Ravens early step on the throat and you now

1693
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 2: have this in the back of your head. The team

1694
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 2: has in the back of the head of all right,

1695
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: we know what it looks like when we don't finish.

1696
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 2: We know what a poor effort down the stretch looks like. Uh,

1697
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 2: you know, we're We're going to turn around. So I Rabel,

1698
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 2: I trust for this not to be an issue because

1699
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 2: I just the way he's approached other elements of the

1700
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 2: game and stretches a part of this too, Like they're

1701
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 2: so focused.

1702
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 3: On the spot. I'm just so surprised like that a

1703
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:44,560
Speaker 3: team coached by Rabel and Josh McDaniels fell apart the

1704
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 3: way that it did.

1705
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 2: And that's why I don't think that's why as frustrated

1706
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 2: as I was, Okay, it was very frustrating.

1707
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were in a dark place, so frustrated.

1708
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 2: But it's not something I'm gonna panic about because I

1709
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,679
Speaker 2: don't think that that's the DNA of what Mike Rabel's

1710
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 2: program is going to be. I think they they it's

1711
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 2: a young team that needed a wake up call and

1712
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 2: got at a bad spot, and hopefully they treated as that.

1713
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree, and that was sort of why

1714
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 3: I was on the other side on right when you

1715
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 3: were kind of you know, I know nothing bothers you

1716
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 3: more in sports, not just football. Nothing in sports bothers

1717
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 3: you more than blown blowing big leads.

1718
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 2: I mean, had you Celtics got up fourteen nothing on

1719
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 2: the Pistons and had you feel about that like it's frustrating.

1720
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 2: It's frustrated in the.

1721
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 3: First quarter of an NBA game.

1722
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 2: So the NBA is a little different. And I said

1723
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 2: this to you that the NBA do that.

1724
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 3: But do you want to bring up the Celtics against

1725
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 3: the Knicks and the playoffs last year? That's it.

1726
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 2: We don't need to go back. But that's a more

1727
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 2: fair comp to what happened in this game. Look, and

1728
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 2: you just hope they learned from it and move on.

1729
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 2: And again, they've been so good with the clock. You

1730
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 2: look at the end of the game in Tampa, right, Yeah,

1731
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 2: they've been so good with the clock in managing these things.

1732
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 2: I trust them to get it fixed and get it

1733
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 2: cleaned up. It's just unfortunate had happened in that spot,

1734
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 2: specifically with was on the line against that team.

1735
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 3: So the other thing that Patty brought up, that this

1736
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 3: thing goes up your backside. The Christian Gonzales thing is

1737
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 3: starting to irk me a little bit. Because I hold

1738
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 3: Christian Goanzales to a really high standard because I think

1739
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 3: he's a hell of a football player. And I you know,

1740
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 3: we've all loved Christian Gonzalez since the draft they drafted him,

1741
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 3: and I've you know, thought he's been a great player

1742
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,799
Speaker 3: ever since. Like we know what Christian Gonzalez is capable

1743
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 3: of doing. I did not think he played well in

1744
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 3: this game, and it didn't show up in the box

1745
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 3: score because they kept.

1746
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 2: Dropping that first drive, he gets beat twice.

1747
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got beat twice on the first drive, both

1748
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 3: one drop, one air mail by Josh Allen. Then Josh

1749
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 3: Palmer dropped another pass that he got beat on. Later

1750
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 3: on in the game, he busted a coverage that Allen

1751
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 3: was late to the deep ball to Cooks that Jalen

1752
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 3: Hawkins came over and broke up. Yeah, but that was

1753
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 3: the whole defense was in cover three and Christian Gonzales

1754
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 3: was in Cover two for some reason. Okay, so he

1755
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:00,759
Speaker 3: thought he had a safety behind him and he didn't,

1756
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 3: so he let Cooks go down the sideline to nobody.

1757
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,600
Speaker 3: I just know that there's another level for Christian Gonzales

1758
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 3: that he I don't think has always played to this year.

1759
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 5: Ye.

1760
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if that's the hamstring. I don't

1761
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 3: know if it's the scheme. I don't know what it is.

1762
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 3: But there's another level that he can get to and

1763
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 3: we've seen it. And the last thing I'll just say

1764
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 3: on the Christian Gonzales thing, this was one of those

1765
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 3: games where the defense needed somebody to make a play.

1766
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 3: You needed to stem the tide. You needed somebody to

1767
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 3: step up and make a play. And on Monday, Mike

1768
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 3: Rabel was asked, and I'm not trying to throw shade,

1769
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 3: but Mike Rabel was asked about Christian Barmore and he

1770
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 3: pivoted the question Drake May a little bit as well,

1771
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 3: but he said, all of our good players and I

1772
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 3: just if you're gonna hold it against Christian Barmore that

1773
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 3: he's getting double and triple team because Milton Williams isn't

1774
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 3: a rushing with him anymore and he's not necessarily making

1775
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 3: as many impact full plays as he was before, then

1776
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 3: we have to do the same thing with Christian Gonzales.

1777
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 3: Like you can make a play, like you can pick

1778
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 3: something off, you can break up a pass on third down. Uh,

1779
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 3: you know you you can, you know, do something like

1780
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 3: do anything.

1781
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 2: Well, I I think I don't get on Gonzalez's lack

1782
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 2: of on ball production as much as some other people, because.

1783
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 3: To me, the great corners have on ball production. But

1784
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 3: like it's not enough to just cover your guy.

1785
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 2: But if you're not targeted, you're not targeted. But he

1786
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 2: was targeted right now he's getting targeted. So that's where

1787
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,560
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, this game is a little different targeted.

1788
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,560
Speaker 3: Ty Law, you know kee to leave Gilmore.

1789
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 2: Well, okay, but there's there's two kinds of corners. Like

1790
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of lockdowns versus ball hawks, but

1791
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 2: a lot.

1792
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 3: Of those, like Diana's a ballhawk, but like a lot

1793
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 3: of the all the guys that I just named, Revus, Gilmour,

1794
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 3: sird Tan, those guys locked their guys down too.

1795
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 2: They locked Reavis didn't have a ton on ball production,

1796
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 2: so we threw him. But Revis, when he was thrown at,

1797
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 2: you pay sure. And Gonzalez has done that at times.

1798
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 2: I think people get a little too like why doesn't

1799
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 2: he have ten interceptions? Yeah, they're not thrown at him

1800
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 2: that much. In this game he was thrown at. He

1801
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 2: didn't find a way to make an impact on the ball.

1802
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 3: All I'm saying is is that it takes all your

1803
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 3: stars in a game like that, not you know, Drake

1804
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 3: may Barmore, Gonzalez, Diggs, who I think needs you know,

1805
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,759
Speaker 3: should be held accountable for his game and his performance

1806
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 3: as well. It takes all your stars in a game

1807
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 3: like that. And I don't know why. It just seems

1808
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,719
Speaker 3: like because maybe he didn't actually give up the catches

1809
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 3: in those spots that you know, Christian Gonzalez has kind

1810
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 3: of skated a little bit. But in my opinion, you know,

1811
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 3: when your defense is giving up five straight touchdown drives

1812
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 3: against the reigning MVP, like you need your stars to start.

1813
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 3: You need somebody to make a play, and I hold

1814
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 3: all of them accountable for not making the plays. All right,

1815
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 3: let's move on to Sam here in Virginia. What's up? Sam?

1816
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1817
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 12: Covered a lot of what I wanted to talk about

1818
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 12: you guys invest in the business here, But wanted to

1819
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 12: ask on that fourth down play call late in the

1820
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 12: fourth quarter, what'd you see on that? It kind of

1821
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 12: looked like, I don't know, some poor esecution, kind of

1822
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 12: a weird play call where they stacked Mac mccollins and

1823
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 12: Hunter Henry and they basically just get pushed into each other.

1824
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 12: It digs gets no separation and Sposa bat it down.

1825
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 12: I don't know that one stuck out to me obviously

1826
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 12: because of the circumstances. And one thing I wanted to

1827
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,600
Speaker 12: ask about Trick mays an accuracy. Taylor Kyle's brought up,

1828
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 12: you know, poor weather obviously maybe being a factor, citing

1829
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 12: the Bucks game as well, using that could contribute to

1830
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 12: the inaccuracy. Do you think that's something worth monitoring. Just

1831
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 12: kind of want to check in on what you guys

1832
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 12: saw in the film from that, So thanks, I'll take

1833
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 12: it off one.

1834
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 3: Yes, Sam. You know, look, I don't know if we

1835
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 3: have a large enough sample size yet on the poor

1836
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 3: weather thing. I admit I kinda I kind of defend

1837
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 3: the wall a little bit on the poor weather thing

1838
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 3: because I think it's kind of low hanging fruit, like

1839
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 3: it was cold out. Okay, Well, you play football in

1840
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 3: New England, so that's really a big thing for Drake

1841
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 3: May Then he's got to find the right combination of

1842
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 3: whether it's gear clothing, whether it's you know, practicing in

1843
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 3: the cold more. I don't know how you do that

1844
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 3: in the offseason. But find a way. I don't know,

1845
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 3: but I'm not. I just I think it's kind of

1846
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 3: like an excuse, like, well, he played poorly in the cold.

1847
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 3: I don't want to go there. I want to give

1848
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 3: him the benefit of the doubt that he's gonna figure

1849
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 3: that out and get better. Like this isn't like Tua

1850
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:31,640
Speaker 3: in the cold, you know what I mean?

1851
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 2: Like this is I also think, you know, you want

1852
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 2: to break it down. Okay, so it was in the cold.

1853
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 2: That's a varia, But we don't really know about Drake May. Yeah,

1854
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 2: was also coming off an extended week off where he

1855
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 2: struggled as well against Cincinnati. So is it some of that.

1856
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 2: It's also we didn't talk about there's enough going into

1857
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 2: the game. That's the first time Drake Mays played a

1858
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:50,719
Speaker 2: team twice in a season in his career. Yeah, because

1859
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 2: last year he didn't play in the first Dolphins game, right,

1860
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 2: he played the very end of the first Jets game,

1861
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 2: got hurt very early in the second, and then he

1862
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 2: played the first Bills game, played well, and then the

1863
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 2: second game is that Week eighteen thing where he you know,

1864
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 2: played a drive and came off. So it could be

1865
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 2: any number of variables like This is just a young quarterback.

1866
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 2: You kind of learn as you go. These questions come

1867
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 2: up and you see, oh he answers them. So or

1868
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 2: he just could have had a bad day.

1869
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, yeah, so like.

1870
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 2: It could be any number of things.

1871
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I admitted it. I'm sensitive to the

1872
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 3: whole you know, he's bad in cold weather thing, because

1873
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 3: I think it's just such a small sample size of

1874
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,639
Speaker 3: meaningful football games in cold weather, like this is basically

1875
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 3: the only one. Like I'm not given gonna go back

1876
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 3: to his rookie season when they are getting blown out

1877
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 3: by the Chargers or something like that and say, ah,

1878
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 3: he's bad. You know, that's another one, right Like that

1879
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 3: teams stunk like there was nobody around him, there was

1880
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 3: nothing he could do about it. This is the first

1881
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 3: time that I really feel like he, you know, played

1882
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 3: a true cold weather game. You know, I don't think

1883
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 3: it's gonna be quite as cold in Baltimore. You know,

1884
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 3: we'll see, but you know, have the Jets game, I'll

1885
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 3: have the Dolphins game in Week eighteen. It's gonna be cold.

1886
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 3: You know, we'll see what happens if this starts to

1887
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 3: snowball like it did for Tua. Where Tua I think

1888
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 3: is like oh and seven and now when it's below

1889
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 3: forty degrees with like a terrible passer rating and all

1890
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 3: that stuff, then we can then we can start to

1891
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 3: talk about it. I think it's still a little bit

1892
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 3: too early to kind of put that on him as like, oh,

1893
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 3: he's a bad cold weather quarterback. I think we're being

1894
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 3: a little bit premature. Sean is in Vancouver.

1895
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 6: What's up, Sean, Hey, Alex, I been happy Kunaka, thank you,

1896
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 6: thank you, find thank you. Will I want to find

1897
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 6: out if you think Joe Toney is getting enough praise, because,

1898
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 6: like you look at his career and he kept doing England.

1899
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 6: He wont two Super Bowls with the Patriots. He leaves

1900
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 6: the Patriots are terrible, and he goes to Kansas City.

1901
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 6: They win another two super Bowls. He leaves their terrible

1902
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 6: well in you know, relative terms, and he's with Chicago

1903
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 6: and they were terrible. Now they're going to win their

1904
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 6: division most likely. So what's your opinion about Joe Toney.

1905
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 3: That's a very off topic conversation, Sean, But we both

1906
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 3: love Joe Touney. I think, you know, he's probably one

1907
01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 3: of the best guards of his era. Yeah, I think

1908
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 3: he's gonna have a really really strong Hall of Fame case.

1909
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 3: It's hard for guards to get into the Hall of Fame.

1910
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 3: It's harder than it should be. But he's gonna have

1911
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 3: a really strong case for it. I mean, he's probably not.

1912
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 3: His whole thing is probably more consistency than it is dominance.

1913
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:15,879
Speaker 3: Like I don't think that he's had.

1914
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 2: Quite the peak, but like his sad moments, I mean,

1915
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 2: you go back to the twenty eighteen super Bowl, is

1916
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 2: going to be what they show when they make his case.

1917
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 3: One on one against a Yeah, but they're I don't

1918
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 3: know about man handling, but he's one on one and

1919
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Speaker 3: Heed he took kind took him out of the game.

1920
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 3: He won the reps. He won the reps. Zach Martin,

1921
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 3: Quentin Nelson. I think those guys might have been better

1922
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 3: at their peaks, Like they might have been more dominant,

1923
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 3: you know, because they're both the kind of like road

1924
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,640
Speaker 3: graders too, so it's like a different type of thing.

1925
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 3: But he definitely definitely has the Hall of Fame case.

1926
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 3: Great player. I don't know, you know, let's just leave

1927
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 3: it at that. I'm not sure if I would say, like, oh,

1928
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 3: the Patriots winning and the Chiefs winning is all because

1929
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 3: Joe Toney, like.

1930
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 2: He's won a lot of football anam.

1931
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's playing with braid Ian Patack Mahomes, but he's

1932
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 3: an awesome player and deserves a spot in the Hall

1933
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 3: of Fame. Mark is in Connecticut. What's that? Mark?

1934
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 11: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. Happy holidays to

1935
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 11: you as well. I was at the game over the weekend,

1936
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 11: and again it was a tail of two half and

1937
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 11: you know, it's just disappointing because you had like the

1938
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 11: so high in the first half and then you had

1939
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 11: the real love in the second half. But what I

1940
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 11: wanted to ask you is, you know, the Philip Rivers

1941
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 11: thing is kind of interesting because do we have anybody

1942
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 11: sitting at home or anybody that is like an outside linebacker,

1943
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:39,719
Speaker 11: edge rusher, or even a middle linebacker that can add

1944
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 11: some depth that you know, is not like a practice

1945
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,600
Speaker 11: squad player, but like a legit kind of player that

1946
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 11: can come in here and help this team out.

1947
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the call.

1948
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Speaker 2: Mark.

1949
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 3: If that player existed, then he'd be on at the area.

1950
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 2: It's quarterback kicker on her really the only position you

1951
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 2: do that He almost won, though.

1952
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 3: It almost went. I had to watch it.

1953
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 2: He almost won. I saw a second half. I mean,

1954
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 2: Judo just got cut. Like that's probably as close you're

1955
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 2: going to get to that. Yeah, I mean, and he's

1956
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 2: he's not had a great year. Yeah, not had a

1957
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 2: great year.

1958
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 3: Chad Muma.

1959
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 2: Maybe Chad Mooma is not forty five years old.

1960
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 3: We were overre talking about that, Oh that thing like

1961
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 3: pulling Luke Keikley out of retirement or something like that

1962
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 3: what his question was.

1963
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, I get like, is there anybody borderline like

1964
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 2: just retired that they could try to bring back for

1965
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 2: a run.

1966
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 3: It's a pretty ridiculous that Luke Keikley wasn't the first

1967
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 3: ballot Hall of Famer him, but him coming back and

1968
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,799
Speaker 3: then resetting his clock five years after he got snubbed

1969
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:39,520
Speaker 3: last year would be kind of funny.

1970
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,679
Speaker 2: Would be great. He probably still play. He's not that old.

1971
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 2: You're tired young. Yeah, a lot of those linebackers do,

1972
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 2: Chad Mouma. Was it just me or were you also

1973
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 2: in on him in that draft?

1974
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 3: I remember, I mean it was an awesome athlete coming out,

1975
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 3: you know, one of the better combines for a linebacker

1976
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,799
Speaker 3: in his class. But it just you know, hasn't translated.

1977
01:30:57,840 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 3: I'm sure that they probably have an idea of him

1978
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 3: cover and kicks, like, you know, that's the type of

1979
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 3: profile that.

1980
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 2: Also, Louke Keigley's only one year older than Matthew Judon.

1981
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not old at all. Neither was like Patrick

1982
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 3: Willis or Patrick Willis is older when he were was Uh,

1983
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 3: I think it was Willis.

1984
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:15,440
Speaker 2: I think in Navara Bowman.

1985
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 3: Navara Bowman was young too.

1986
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 2: Oh wilsonly played eight years.

1987
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, a lot of those guys. All right, Hayden

1988
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 3: is in Minnesota. What's up, Hayden?

1989
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 10: Hey, first time, first time caller, longtime listener. Uh, just

1990
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 10: want us to say, you know, how awesome you guys are.

1991
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 10: You know, you guys actually talked ball and and actually

1992
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 10: talk about the sports instead of this this junk on

1993
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 10: you know, SBC SPN where they talk about just how

1994
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 10: everything affects legacies. So I just wanted to say, you

1995
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:52,759
Speaker 10: guys are awesome. You can you know, and Pature's unfiltered

1996
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 10: as well.

1997
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Speaker 3: Thank you appreciate that, Hayden, Yeah, of course.

1998
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1999
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 4: And then.

2000
01:31:59,240 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 5: Two questions here.

2001
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 10: One, I was looking for Christmas presents for my dad

2002
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 10: and the rivalry collection he was he was wanting some

2003
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 10: of the rivalry collections. Couldn't find it anywhere. Do you

2004
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 10: guys know if that's gonna be on fail or you know,

2005
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 10: gonna be gonna be out uh for for purchase. I

2006
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 10: saw like a bunch of different different teams, you know,

2007
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 10: all the other teams, but couldn't find any Patriots stuff.

2008
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 10: So was just curious what what that looks like on

2009
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 10: on your website there, Yeah, go ahead, and then and

2010
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 10: then the and then the last question I have is

2011
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 10: just you know, I've noticed this over the past couple

2012
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 10: of weeks of the past couple of games watching the

2013
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:41,719
Speaker 10: Patriots and was just curious. I haven't heard any anybody

2014
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 10: talk about it, but is there any concern from Drake

2015
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 10: may like not having that closer mentality like you think

2016
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 10: of like you know, Kobe Lebron fourth quarter, need a shot,

2017
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 10: they got it. You know, there's been I know the

2018
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 10: Dolphins game, he had an opportunity to close it out

2019
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,600
Speaker 10: and couldn't put a drive together, had to have the

2020
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 10: defense close it out. I think the same thing happened

2021
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 10: with the Falcons game and this Bills game two, you know,

2022
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 10: three examples of him being able to have a drive

2023
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 10: to close it out and then not having you know,

2024
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:19,680
Speaker 10: not completing that drive and making the defense close it out.

2025
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 10: Is there any concern there?

2026
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 2: Uh?

2027
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the call. And I think that this

2028
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 3: is another one that is filed in the interesting but

2029
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 3: not quite enough evidence yet, kind of like the cold

2030
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 3: weather thing. Yeah, there's definitely something to what he said.

2031
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 3: The caller said, Uh, he did put together the game

2032
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 3: winning drive in Buffalo, And I do think he has

2033
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 3: the right mentality and has the right background to be

2034
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 3: a good clutch quarterback because you know, he talks a

2035
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 3: lot about basketball and his brothers and you know, wanting

2036
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:53,640
Speaker 3: that last shot and that sort of thing. So I

2037
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 3: do think he has that mentality. But uh, I clutches

2038
01:33:58,520 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 3: a thing. I'm not trying to go on nerd on

2039
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 3: you and say clutch isn't a thing, But it's also about,

2040
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 3: you know, being able to execute really well right, And

2041
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 3: you know, it's not just enough to like want to

2042
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 3: be clutch or or you know whatever. But you know

2043
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 3: what makes the great ones great is that they execute

2044
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 3: in the clutch on top of that. So you know,

2045
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 3: he's a young quarterback and hopefully that comes along here eventually.

2046
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 3: It's not that we've seen it in flashes. You know,

2047
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,760
Speaker 3: he did it against Buffalo in week five, and yeah,

2048
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:26,640
Speaker 3: you know, hopefully there's more of that to come to

2049
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 3: the Rivalry gear. That's more of a question for the

2050
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 3: boss man. But I do think that I heard a

2051
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 3: rumor that maybe they were getting more in stock for

2052
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 3: the holiday season at the Pro Shop. But I gotta

2053
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 3: tell you, because I have the Bomber jacket. As you know,

2054
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 3: people stop me everywhere when I'm wearing that thing. Like

2055
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 3: if I'm out in public in that jacket, I get

2056
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:49,599
Speaker 3: asked at least once like where did Like how did

2057
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:51,680
Speaker 3: you get that? You know, it's kind of crazy how

2058
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,560
Speaker 3: much people want it, so you're not alone hated and

2059
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:57,640
Speaker 3: everybody's looking for the rivalry gear. It's it's hot right now.

2060
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 3: But I did think I do think that Fred might

2061
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 3: have said that they might be trying to restock it,

2062
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 3: like for you know, Christmas coming up now, but for

2063
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:09,439
Speaker 3: the holidays, so maybe look on the Pro Shop. Justina

2064
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 3: is in North Carolina. What's up, Justina?

2065
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 6: Hi?

2066
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 4: Evan, You know that you and I were the first

2067
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 4: to support Drake and we knew we knew his talent,

2068
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 4: but at the same time, we also noticed that at

2069
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 4: the end of games he's some of the games he

2070
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:37,799
Speaker 4: finished good, but in some of them he also seems

2071
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 4: to choke. Even back in North Carolina State, even back

2072
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 4: last year with the cold, you know, through the interceptions

2073
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 4: and sometimes you can see that he has that I

2074
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 4: don't know what it is, but he's it's like he's

2075
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 4: had that hyperactivity and he may not see things as slowly.

2076
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:05,600
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking that maybe he should possibly when he

2077
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 4: feels that way, they should enable him the ability to

2078
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 4: call the time out to regroup, you know, in it's

2079
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 4: a critical situation like that at the end of the game.

2080
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 4: What do you think about that?

2081
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Justina, it's funny. Uh, Paul said yesterday he needed

2082
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 3: a hockey time out.

2083
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:23,680
Speaker 2: I was going to say, like, would you want a

2084
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 2: basketball time out there at any point?

2085
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 3: And I kind of do did kind of expect I

2086
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 3: kept on looking over to the sideline to see if

2087
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,560
Speaker 3: Rabel kind of did any sort of like but you know,

2088
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:36,519
Speaker 3: when it was kind of getting away from them in

2089
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 3: the second half, like a hockey timeout, like obviously don't

2090
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 3: have as much time necessarily, or it's not exactly the same,

2091
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 3: but I hear what Justina is saying, and I hear

2092
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 3: what she's saying about his college game as well, because

2093
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 3: that that was sort of them in college for Drake

2094
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 3: May was that you could put up his ten best

2095
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 3: throws from a game against anybody in the country, but

2096
01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 3: then you look up at the scoreboard in North Carolina

2097
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 3: losing and it was like kind of like a weird

2098
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:07,640
Speaker 3: thing of like style over substance, where like he was

2099
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 3: clearly talented and was just making unbelievable throws even at

2100
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 3: North Carolina. But they his first year as the starter,

2101
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 3: they won some a good amount of games and made

2102
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 3: it to the a SEC Championship game, and they were

2103
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 3: a good team. But his second year they were not

2104
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 3: a great team. And I think a lot of people

2105
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 3: were kind of like, sort of like what we do

2106
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 3: with Justin Herbert, like why is this guy so good?

2107
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 3: And the eye test is so clear that he's this good,

2108
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:36,720
Speaker 3: but then he doesn't win in the big spots. And

2109
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 3: I think there's some truth to that in a young

2110
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 3: player's career, But I do think that that can develop,

2111
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:43,880
Speaker 3: Like I do think he can get better at those

2112
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 3: types of things, and I do think it's still kind

2113
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 3: of a small sample size. We have eight minutes here

2114
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 3: to talk about the Ravens, which is always how this

2115
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:54,479
Speaker 3: kind of feels like it goes down. So I'll just

2116
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 3: kind of whittle this down to like my few big

2117
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:59,560
Speaker 3: picture points on this game. The number one thing I

2118
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 3: always think about what the Baltimore Ravens before you play

2119
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:05,560
Speaker 3: a game against them is physicality. Like you better be

2120
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 3: ready to hit on Sunday night. This is gonna be

2121
01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 3: an old school, smash mouthed bully ball type of game,

2122
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 3: and you better bring your hard hat, says Kevin Garnett

2123
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 3: would say, like, this is not this is not for

2124
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 3: the fan of this is not for the week. This

2125
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 3: is not gonna be one of those types of games.

2126
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 3: This isn't gonna be finesse. They're gonna come at you

2127
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 3: in the trenches, especially offensively. Can the Patriots fine a

2128
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 3: run defense in six days?

2129
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:31,760
Speaker 11: Like?

2130
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, But this Baltimore team, even though they've

2131
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 3: had some struggles this year and Lamar hasn't been quite

2132
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 3: as good because of the injuries and all that kind

2133
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 3: of stuff, they still run the ball with the best

2134
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 3: of them, and they're gonna put heavy personnel on the field.

2135
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Speaker 3: You're gonna have multiple tight ends you're gonna have Patrick

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01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 3: Card their full back, who's a beast, and they're gonna

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01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 3: have Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson, and they're gonna come

2138
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 3: right at you running the football. So can you find

2139
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 3: a way to stop the run? I wish I had

2140
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 3: like some I don't know, like schematics or x's and

2141
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 3: o's that I could tell you all. But to me,

2142
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 3: this is just about want to Like, you just have

2143
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 3: to have that mentality to her.

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01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 2: Players say a lot, that's what we're on defenses. You

2145
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 2: know how many yards the Ravens averaged on the ground

2146
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 2: last week?

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01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 3: Oh? Got it? Probably a lot?

2148
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 2: Nine point one?

2149
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, they like they do an excellent job of scripting

2150
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,719
Speaker 3: and sequencing their run game two. Yeah, Like I'm gonna

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01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 3: publish game plan my preview tomorrow. And there's one power

2152
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 3: play that they run and they hit it three different ways,

2153
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 3: but it all looks the same, right, and so they'll

2154
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 3: run power lead just the natural way, just right down

2155
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:45,720
Speaker 3: at your throat run game. Then they have like a

2156
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:49,080
Speaker 3: misdirection toss off the power lead where they pull the

2157
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:51,559
Speaker 3: guard and then they toss it out to Henry out

2158
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 3: on the perimeter in the opposite direction and then they

2159
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:57,160
Speaker 3: have power lead play actions. They have pop passes where

2160
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:59,640
Speaker 3: they are running play action off the power lead. Not

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01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 3: even to mention the gun runs and the RPOs and

2162
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,559
Speaker 3: the Lamar Jackson elements and all that kind of stuff.

2163
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 3: It is a terrifically well designed run game. Like Todd

2164
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 3: Monkin is a wizard with the run game.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at the Ravens and they only

2166
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 2: threw the ball twelve times last week. Now they got

2167
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:21,679
Speaker 2: up early, Yeah, so that helps. But like, what incentive

2168
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 2: is there for the Ravens to throw the ball in

2169
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,240
Speaker 2: this game zero. I would not be surprised if the

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Speaker 2: Ravens come out run the ball thirty somethingtimes if the

2171
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 2: Patriots opened the door for him. But now here's the thing.

2172
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 2: This is where you go back to last week's game.

2173
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:35,599
Speaker 2: The Bill showed that just because you're behind multiple scores

2174
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 2: on the Patriots doesn't mean you need to stop running

2175
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 2: the football. So this is where you're gonna have a chance, hopefully,

2176
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:44,719
Speaker 2: like if the Patriots are getting early, lad, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: have a chance to kind of right the wrong from

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01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:48,640
Speaker 2: last week. Because in theory down twenty one nothing you

2179
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 2: should stop running the ball. Bill's doubled down on running

2180
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:51,519
Speaker 2: the ball and it worked.

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01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:53,840
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if the Ravens take the

2183
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 2: same philosophy if they fall behind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you got. This is one of those games where

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01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 3: this is not negotiabull, stop the run type of game.

2186
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 3: And you're not going to completely shut out Derrick Henry

2187
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:06,240
Speaker 3: and Mitchell's a good back too, Like they're change of

2188
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 3: pace back. He's good as well. You're not going to

2189
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 3: completely shut those guys down, but you need to manage

2190
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 3: the run game so that it doesn't take over the

2191
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:13,680
Speaker 3: football game.

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01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: That's a big part of this game as well, a

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Speaker 3: big thing for me.

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01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:20,360
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about it earlier, but part of what

2196
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 2: killed him against the Bills was, especially in the second half,

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01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:27,400
Speaker 2: there were some players where I'm watching it and it's like,

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01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 2: all right, well they got contact with James Cook, like

2199
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 2: a yard or two from line scrimmage. Great, And then

2200
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 2: I look up and it's second and five. Yeah, because

2201
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 2: Cook's winning the tackle when the two come together.

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01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 3: Derrick Henry is gonna win every tackle.

2203
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 2: So but they he is. You're run but like you

2204
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 2: got and that's where they miss Splaine. You got a

2205
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:49,719
Speaker 2: gang tackle. You got to get multiple defenders to the football,

2206
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:52,479
Speaker 2: so that Okay, you hit him two yards past line

2207
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:54,679
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, but then he drags guys and he falls

2208
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:57,640
Speaker 2: forward and suddenly you actually defended the run. Okay, but

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01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 2: it's still a seven yard run. Yeah, R Henry, it's

2210
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 2: a key to the game. And it sucks because Derek

2211
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:05,840
Speaker 2: Henry is the best in the league at this, maybe

2212
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 2: the best at this all right, Jim Brown, Earl Campbell R. Yeah,

2213
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 2: it's gonna vote Earl Campbell or some of those guys. Yeah,

2214
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 2: but those hidden yards killed them? Was it one hundred

2215
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 2: one of one hundred and seven yards after contact for

2216
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 2: one oh one out of one oh seven? I forget

2217
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 2: if that was Cook or the team, but that was Cook.

2218
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 2: You cannot allow hitting yards, but it just so happens.

2219
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:30,720
Speaker 2: He's there facing is maybe the greatest hitten yard of

2220
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:31,639
Speaker 2: running back of all time.

2221
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's a tough matchup in that sense. But

2222
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 3: this is not Pete Lamar as a passer or a runner.

2223
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 3: There's some he's clearly hurt and limited with his ability

2224
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 3: to run because like he's getting caught by like defensive linemen,

2225
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 3: which is just you never see that from Lamar Jackson, like,

2226
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 3: that's that's super rare from him. So it's not that

2227
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 3: you can take him lightly. But I do think if

2228
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 3: the Patriots can turn this into a drop back passing

2229
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 3: game for Lamar and at least manage the run, you know,

2230
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:06,519
Speaker 3: and not get completely exposed in the run game, I

2231
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 3: don't think this is the best the Ravens have ever

2232
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 3: really been as a drop back passing team, and they've

2233
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 3: always been a little bit, you know, kind of weary

2234
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 3: in that regard. Anyways, big thing with Lamar, you know,

2235
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 3: I love Lamar, but going back to college, he does

2236
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 3: not want to throw the ball outside the numbers. He's

2237
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 3: always been a better middle of the field thrower. The

2238
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:28,759
Speaker 3: stats bear that out. This is one of those games

2239
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 3: where when you do get him to throw, you want

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Speaker 3: to funnel the ball outside. You want to make him

2241
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:35,880
Speaker 3: try to push the ball outside the numbers. He can

2242
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 3: be lethal if you let him live on seams and

2243
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:40,639
Speaker 3: crossers in the middle of the field, to the tight

2244
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 3: ends and zay flowers, he will tear you apart. He

2245
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 3: will be lethal. But he is not a great outside

2246
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 3: the numbers thrower and never really has been going back

2247
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 3: to college. Defensively, really quickly. They're going to spin the

2248
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 3: dial on Drake May. It's what they did to Joe

2249
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:01,040
Speaker 3: Burrow last week. That was a first time Joe Burrow's

2250
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:04,040
Speaker 3: been shut out in his NFL career last week against

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01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 3: the Ravens. They are exotic. They spin the dial a lot,

2252
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 3: but they have to because they don't get a ton

2253
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 3: of pressure without it. So they are kind of in

2254
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:17,919
Speaker 3: the same boat as the Patriots, where like their standard

2255
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:20,800
Speaker 3: four man rushes have not been very good this year.

2256
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 3: They're thirty first in the league in ZACH rate their

2257
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:27,160
Speaker 3: twenty fourth and pass rush win rate. So they're creating

2258
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:31,759
Speaker 3: pressure with scheme like they're disguising pressure. They're doing different

2259
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 3: things to get quarterbacks to hold the football, which is

2260
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:37,680
Speaker 3: in allowing them to get pressure. So I do think

2261
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:40,880
Speaker 3: that Drake May is going to have time to survey

2262
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:43,599
Speaker 3: in this game. But they have to do a much

2263
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:46,719
Speaker 3: better job of reading out coverages and seeing the open

2264
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 3: spaces and separating than what they did against Buffalo. So

2265
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:52,200
Speaker 3: I think that the Ravens are going to hit all

2266
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 3: the same notes that the Bills did. They're gonna run

2267
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 3: the football, They're going to just dress it up and

2268
01:44:57,080 --> 01:45:01,400
Speaker 3: disguise it on defense, and I'm sure that John Harbaugh,

2269
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 3: because he normally does, will probably have some returns you

2270
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 3: know ready on the kickoff returns as well. So I

2271
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 3: think that this is going to be the exact kind

2272
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 3: of game that you just played. I don't know if

2273
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 3: they're going to be up twenty one nothing, but the

2274
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 3: type of game and the way it's going to go

2275
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 3: is going to be exact.

2276
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 2: They're gonna have a lot of chance to prove what

2277
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 2: was real last week and what was an anomaly.

2278
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is going to be one of your types

2279
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 3: of games. Al, It's going to be a bully ball.

2280
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 3: This is smash mouth football on Sunday night football. The

2281
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:33,480
Speaker 3: Ravens need it too. I don't think they're mathematically eliminated

2282
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:36,160
Speaker 3: if they lose, but it gets the real dicey for them.

2283
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 2: I mean, the AFC North is a beautiful mess.

2284
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 3: Well, they have to win the North. They're not going

2285
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:43,120
Speaker 3: to win. They're not going to be a wildcard team.

2286
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:44,560
Speaker 3: So if they're going to make the playoffs, they have

2287
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 3: to beat the Steelers. I think they play in Week eighteen.

2288
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 3: I'm sure that game might be the last game is

2289
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:49,800
Speaker 3: Sunday night game.

2290
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, they also at the Beckers after this one.

2291
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:55,400
Speaker 3: Okay, So yeah, they're in trouble if they lose this game.

2292
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:58,680
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that. So that's the Ravens. I

2293
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:00,639
Speaker 3: wish we had a few more minutes to break that down,

2294
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 3: but that's that's the juxt of it. That's the simplest

2295
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 3: of it. Really quickly. Actually, just one last thing, tight ends.

2296
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 3: This is gonna they he loves throwing to is likely

2297
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:14,559
Speaker 3: and Mark Andrews. The Patriots had some issues with Knox

2298
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:16,640
Speaker 3: and Kincaid last week, so that would be another key

2299
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 3: to the game. But that's it. Stop the run, have

2300
01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:22,559
Speaker 3: some fun. It's gonna be a tough one, I think

2301
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 3: on Sunday night. But I do think the Patriots bounced

2302
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 3: back in this game. I think they're the better team,

2303
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 3: and they are at least the healthier team, you know,

2304
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 3: with where Lamar is at right now. But we'll see.

2305
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 3: I'll be there in Baltimore, Alex and I will be

2306
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 3: back next week to talk about this Ravens game. Previous

2307
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:42,200
Speaker 3: the Jets, I guess. I mean, you know, whatever is

2308
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 3: left of the Jets by the time that rolls around,

2309
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:49,960
Speaker 3: Cook Brady Cook could be not you know, they can't

2310
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 3: win the division by themselves. But if the Eagles beat

2311
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 3: If the Patriots win the next two and the Eagles

2312
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:58,840
Speaker 3: beat the Bills in Buffalo in week seventeen, raps, that's wraps. Yeah,

2313
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,280
Speaker 3: so maybe they'll be in position if they can take

2314
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:04,080
Speaker 3: care of business on Sunday night. Patriots on Filter will

2315
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:06,559
Speaker 3: be up in nine minutes. We'll be back next week

2316
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 3: on Catch twenty two. We'll see you guys.

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01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 2: Then. Hey, this is Alex.

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