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Speaker 1: another episode against the Chronicles podcast. And I'm with my
Speaker 1: brothers Big j J and Um. You know it was
Speaker 1: a period of time man, back in the late nineties,
Speaker 1: and uh, I would say, from the late nineties on
Speaker 1: you know mid nineties kind of to the early two thousand's.
Speaker 1: Man Master P had a chokehold on rapping, a serious
Speaker 1: chokehold on rap, and it just kind of just can't
Speaker 1: you can't say it came from out of nowhere because
Speaker 1: he just kind of just crept on up. And I
Speaker 1: remember every No Limit record that you would go by.
Speaker 1: You look on the back of the album covering, you
Speaker 1: see all these different cats you never heard of about
Speaker 1: to come with albums. You'd be like, Man, it just
Speaker 1: made you interested in knowing who these different artists. Was
Speaker 1: called Duggery Fiend and you know these dudes you never
Speaker 1: heard of me a x Mr serve On and all
Speaker 1: these different people and one of them people with somebody
Speaker 1: from Kansas City, Missouri named Big Court and we got
Speaker 1: them live in the hot seat tonight. Yeah, what's going on? Well,
Speaker 1: backing with you, man, I'm glad to be here, bro
Speaker 1: Man for sure. Man, we lead half you man, because
Speaker 1: I got a lot of I really want to get
Speaker 1: your perspective on a lot of different things, man, because
Speaker 1: you're one of the people that kind of like made
Speaker 1: it from rap and took advantage of all opportunities you
Speaker 1: hadn't rap and started to get into some whole other
Speaker 1: stuff that we had talked about, you know, real estate
Speaker 1: and just other different things that you know, the average
Speaker 1: dude and thinking about that. Man when you get a
Speaker 1: record contract, man, and you know, you just think about
Speaker 1: getting them some jewelry. Right, So that was your position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I signed with Yeah, I wouldn't like this all the time. Man.
Speaker 1: I was never secured to think about it. Bro. I
Speaker 1: signed with P right out of high school. I was
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. This was ninety five, So
Speaker 1: now I played basketball, right, Everybody think I was like this,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't. You know what I I say. I didn't
Speaker 1: start I didn't pick up a wait till I was thirty.
Speaker 1: Run Sure you guys, if y'all see this brother, this
Speaker 1: brother is on swoll right, Yeah, you got like pop
Speaker 1: my arm. Yeah. You know what. The strange thing about
Speaker 1: me working out, like to be honest with you, like
Speaker 1: I was doing I was. I was really doing some
Speaker 1: ship I wasn't supposed to be doing, and and I
Speaker 1: was moving in such a way where mentally I was
Speaker 1: kind of like, I guess I could say in the
Speaker 1: back of my mind getting sell block. Ready, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying like that was part of my motivation.
Speaker 1: You felt like that at the time, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because I still you know, I always was
Speaker 1: able to have the duality. I was always able to
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying too, like I had. I
Speaker 1: was making money in music, but I was moving in
Speaker 1: the street too. And you know, sometimes when you get
Speaker 1: money and it becomes so easy, you feel like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they watched me. They just let me just dig my ditch.
Speaker 1: And I felt like it was right around the corner,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so I just you know,
Speaker 1: I literally just start you know, That's why I started
Speaker 1: buying real estate. I started kind of like mentally preparing
Speaker 1: myself thinking that, you know, ship that other shoe gonna drop,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, yeah, that's how that
Speaker 1: came about. So you started doing let's go back, go
Speaker 1: back into the repea for sure, how you bumping the master?
Speaker 1: Um Man? That story crazy, bro, Like, um um, you
Speaker 1: know I'm in Kansas City. I didn't even know who
Speaker 1: p was, you know what I'm saying, Like, Uh, this
Speaker 1: dude Romeo right now used to cut my hair, um
Speaker 1: even as a kid, you know, and he used to
Speaker 1: brain like regional talent to the city and I remember
Speaker 1: him telling me, man, I'm gonna bring this dude name
Speaker 1: master P I and I was like it was master P.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I ain't never heard of that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And so long story short, me
Speaker 1: and uh partner of mine, Cisco, We was part of
Speaker 1: a group you know what I'm saying, called CCG. So
Speaker 1: we was local at the time. And I'm like sixteen fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 1: and um, really, to be honest with you, man, I
Speaker 1: just started sending tapes out. I started looking at all
Speaker 1: the dresses on the back of the tapes. I sent
Speaker 1: ship the Ruthless Man. I used to bug this ship
Speaker 1: out of Ruthless. It was his chick up there in
Speaker 1: name Cassandra where you know she is, James, Yeah, because man,
Speaker 1: I got to know that chick. I used to call
Speaker 1: so much, you know what I'm saying. A matter of fact, eight,
Speaker 1: I sent some ship to you and I think your
Speaker 1: attorney back then, Yeah, this is when you dropped the
Speaker 1: album where you had on the slacks and uh last
Speaker 1: man stand there. So I'm in Kansas City. You know,
Speaker 1: I grew up on all these guys, so I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to get on. We don't got no industry, ain't
Speaker 1: no Internet, ain't no information. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Strange wasn't around back then. Strange wasn't even thought of,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You're talking about ninety four
Speaker 1: ninety five. So ruthless is where I wanted to go.
Speaker 1: So I used to call all the time trying to
Speaker 1: get in touch with Easy. Uh. Finally Easy got to
Speaker 1: tape and she was like, yeah, Easy like y'all tape whatever. Whatever.
Speaker 1: He died. I think it was in March something like that.
Speaker 1: So then I got back on the hunt and just
Speaker 1: bugged the ship out of p BRO. I just was
Speaker 1: calling his voicemail, just filling it up. I was on
Speaker 1: rap a lot, all them. So he the one that
Speaker 1: went't got to tape. He liked it. He was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to funk with y'all. I want
Speaker 1: to fly you'all out. So the first record he put
Speaker 1: us on was down South Hustlers, which went gold, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and then ship it was on
Speaker 1: from there. Yeah. I just got off house arrest. I
Speaker 1: was living with my father at the time because um
Speaker 1: I was in UM I had been in juvenile and
Speaker 1: you know, juvenile court, at least in Missouri, it worked
Speaker 1: kind of like family court because I didn't get uh certified,
Speaker 1: They was gonna certify me and give me what they
Speaker 1: called juvenile life and didn't keep me till I was
Speaker 1: like eighteen. I think it was eighteen or twenty one
Speaker 1: that sent me to prison. But I end up looking out.
Speaker 1: They took me from my mind maybe live with my dad.
Speaker 1: So I had just you know, because my lawyer was like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he got a father, got a job. You know,
Speaker 1: he played that game, and so uh yeah, ship, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They got lucky. I got super lucky,
Speaker 1: super lucky bro beagon. I knew a lot of people
Speaker 1: luck to the thinking about Missouri. But Missouri, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: one of the cities in the Midwest that got like
Speaker 1: a lot of old l a gags in the city.
Speaker 1: They got bloods out that they got crips out there,
Speaker 1: and they've been doing it since the eighties. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: watched it. I literally watched it come into the city
Speaker 1: because you know, I was born in seventy six, so
Speaker 1: you figure, you know, eighty six, eight seven, eighty eight,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a kid on my bike. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I'm just a regular kid. I ain't
Speaker 1: exposed to nothing, you know what I'm saying. Like I
Speaker 1: grew up in the hood, but I came from a
Speaker 1: good household. You know what I'm saying. I'm an only child,
Speaker 1: so I came from a loving house, like I don't
Speaker 1: have you know what I mean. Like, but what happened
Speaker 1: is you start seeing, um, the influx of a you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of niggas from the West Coast, you know,
Speaker 1: coming to the city and that you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: They hustling, and so a lot of the niggas from
Speaker 1: my city, whoever they was copying from, that's who they
Speaker 1: aligned themselves with. It was a lot of sixties and
Speaker 1: a lot of East Coast that came down there, and uh,
Speaker 1: my neighborhood, you know, got colonized. I guess you could
Speaker 1: say it became a crib neighborhood. Like we're tech is
Speaker 1: from technology from the fifties. A lot of brams came,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, to his section. So all
Speaker 1: the niggas that was getting their work from them became bloods,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that's kind of high.
Speaker 1: I watched it, you know what I mean. And so
Speaker 1: now the older niggas, that's that's getting money. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm having to deal with their little brothers because their
Speaker 1: little brothers trying to emulate them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So now my hood, So what happens is I start
Speaker 1: to become um sucked into it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: just because the environment starts to become hostile. I was
Speaker 1: never like active, you know, but because you grow up there,
Speaker 1: you get sucked in, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I'm with the homies ship. A couple of my homies
Speaker 1: might be fighting on crip or whatever, but I'm just
Speaker 1: fighting because they're my friends. But it don't look like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. When it's like that, guilty,
Speaker 1: you know, like you you fighting with them niggers, then
Speaker 1: you from they set. You come from a good home.
Speaker 1: I did. You didn't have to do that. I didn't,
Speaker 1: but didn't you had to go outside that I had
Speaker 1: to go outside the environment. Yeah, that's what I want
Speaker 1: people to understand. Yeah, you had outside took over. My
Speaker 1: daddy can't protect you, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: when I'm going to the park to play basketball, play football,
Speaker 1: and just in the environment I got. I gotta you know,
Speaker 1: I have to maintain out there. You know. Now my
Speaker 1: mother was loving, but you know, my mother used to
Speaker 1: tell me, I'm raising no pussies, So you know, I
Speaker 1: still had to you know. She she made me line
Speaker 1: it up a few times, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So she wasn't having that. But I literally watched our city,
Speaker 1: you know, and it got bad probably about the early nineties,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It really took off down there. Know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was off down there. There was a lot of money.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody was getting it back then, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, shouted to my boy, you know, money Green,
Speaker 1: Snug know some cats out there. You know, Rodney money
Speaker 1: Green was on the on the red side. He read side, Yeah, Snug,
Speaker 1: he was over there with taking them from the cats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was all. Yeah. They they real dudes, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that they're great dudes. And uh Rodney.
Speaker 1: Rodney was a hustler. He didn't you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He wasn't with that, but he was getting money a
Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, Rodney was getting Kansas City, Rodney money
Speaker 1: Green Yeah, don't need money yeah Roney Rodney, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I just saying Rodney probably about a year ago. Um,
Speaker 1: I was looking at a hot matter of fact, because
Speaker 1: he was doing he does real estate as well, and
Speaker 1: we was both being on the same house. It was
Speaker 1: like three hundred something housand. He was trying to get it,
Speaker 1: I think, just to do something with it or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we get them from your statement, all this magnificent stuff
Speaker 1: that you're doing, but we're staying back. We had to
Speaker 1: stay in the gutter for it just a little bit longer.
Speaker 1: Know what I means. I want to take it up
Speaker 1: for show. So you and your crime man, you're sending
Speaker 1: you know what, man, that's funny. We'd be used to
Speaker 1: send tapes are demos to record company addresses on the
Speaker 1: back and ship you know what I mean, trying to
Speaker 1: get some money. But so you plugged up with Pete.
Speaker 1: Your whole life changed after that? Like what happened next? Like,
Speaker 1: um no, not really, not like that. Um well, so
Speaker 1: my my situation with Pete was unique, bro, because like
Speaker 1: I signed with Pete, we did the Downs House Hustlers.
Speaker 1: I was, like I said, I was a part of
Speaker 1: a duo. So me and P we we established the
Speaker 1: relationship before we actually got to Oakland. I've been talking
Speaker 1: to him for months. My partner had never talked to him.
Speaker 1: So they was kind of like, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: strangers when we met for the first time. Uh, him
Speaker 1: and my partner really didn't They didn't like each other,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so we had a
Speaker 1: manager at the time who he didn't know Ship, but
Speaker 1: he knew more than us. He was a little older
Speaker 1: than us, and so my partner kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: gravitated towards the manager. I really didn't like him either,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I gravitated towards peace. So
Speaker 1: there was this kind of you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So P he literally came
Speaker 1: and got me one day. It was like, Bro checked
Speaker 1: us out. I funk with you, but I don't like
Speaker 1: the mother niggers, So, uh, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: What you wanta do? What you gotta understand. You know,
Speaker 1: I come from a game mentality too, So I was like,
Speaker 1: with damn big Bro, respectfully, you know, uh, Ship, you
Speaker 1: gotta take both of us you know, I came out
Speaker 1: here with him, so I'm gonna leave with him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so that's what it was.
Speaker 1: You know, I end up going back to Kansas City
Speaker 1: with my partner, you know what I'm saying. But me
Speaker 1: and Pete always kept a relationship. So what he did
Speaker 1: that was solid is I created a label and I
Speaker 1: started putting out into Pendent records. What he did he
Speaker 1: used his influence to basically, you know I say influence,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, to basically make like the
Speaker 1: distributors Southwest City Hall. You know all that ship select
Speaker 1: though to pay me upfront for whatever I got pressed up.
Speaker 1: So if I got fifty thousand units pressed up, which
Speaker 1: I did, they paid me seven dollars up front, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I'm like eighteen nineteen, that's
Speaker 1: right there, exactly exactly. So I'm getting three four hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, you know what I'm saying off for record.
Speaker 1: That's why I was putting them out so much, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I mean that ship came
Speaker 1: back to bite me because nobody explained taxes and ship
Speaker 1: to me. But you know what I'm saying, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: all that ship mine, you know, but you published at
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, he was up until probably the early
Speaker 1: two thousand's, you know what I'm saying. He kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, started wanting to go in a different direction
Speaker 1: in life, and you know, and then I kept it
Speaker 1: moving as a solo artist, you know. But me and
Speaker 1: pe all ways was like brothers, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So so my journey was different, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: With No Limit, even though I was always synonymous with
Speaker 1: No Limit, but I just didn't. I never technically put
Speaker 1: a record. I don't know, but it was a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of people. You ain't the only one that didn't
Speaker 1: put a bricket off. But I know this, p always
Speaker 1: missed what you want to business said. I thought she
Speaker 1: was an executive over there. The show exactly met a
Speaker 1: lot of other ship you know what I'm saying. Like music,
Speaker 1: It was just like he'd be like court Man, go
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, You don't need to do
Speaker 1: all that, Go and go get your money over there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was it just worked
Speaker 1: and I was always kind of you know what i mean,
Speaker 1: my own boss and and autonomous like that. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I kind of moved to the beat
Speaker 1: of my own drum even way back then, you know. Now,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, he always was big bro. I
Speaker 1: deferred to him, you know, like a big homie, like
Speaker 1: o G like a mogul. But I always had my
Speaker 1: own ship, you know what I mean? And I think
Speaker 1: that's why our relationship was always what it what it's been.
Speaker 1: So he didn't know bad dude, who p not at all?
Speaker 1: You heard something different. But what a lot of people
Speaker 1: say he did, He didn't did she did? He didn't
Speaker 1: give me what he without deserved like that. But you
Speaker 1: hear that with everybody, don't hear that? You know what?
Speaker 1: This is the thing about that bro. I speak on
Speaker 1: that a little bit, and I mean, listen, I can't
Speaker 1: speak for nobody because everybody had their own experience, but
Speaker 1: I kind of know, you know how he got down technically,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, what he would do is man,
Speaker 1: he would he would give you lumps. Okay, say let's
Speaker 1: just be one hunter. A lot of the rappers that
Speaker 1: came on No Limit, the brand No Limit was selling
Speaker 1: that ship. These people didn't have track records. They weren't
Speaker 1: someone wasn't even real artists necessarily, They just nigged in
Speaker 1: the hood to wrap. He's like, okay, I know you're
Speaker 1: nigging want rap. Okay, come on, because no limit. The
Speaker 1: brand is hot right now. We put that tank on anything,
Speaker 1: it's gonna sell, you know what I mean. So you
Speaker 1: would nigga. You ain't never put a demo together. You're
Speaker 1: just wrapping in the hood. So he takes you and say,
Speaker 1: all right here, i'mna give you five hundred thousand, buy
Speaker 1: you a half million dollar house. You know I'm saying,
Speaker 1: set you up with a few cars. You okay, you're good.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You can get out there
Speaker 1: and get your show money. Go to charge niggas for
Speaker 1: versus all that ship. Right, So he may be spent,
Speaker 1: say a meal meal five on you. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Say your album go gold. You do the numbers,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So your album go gold?
Speaker 1: What's that? Maybe three point five million or so? It
Speaker 1: was generated, But you know how to recoup. You talk
Speaker 1: about the recoup ship. So he was nothing. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You have to be you have to know
Speaker 1: how to First of all, you're dumb as fuck. If
Speaker 1: you get a half a million dollars and go by
Speaker 1: half a million dollar house, don't go do that ship
Speaker 1: because you're not going to recoup anything. But eight, but
Speaker 1: think about no, he gave that to them, Okay, and
Speaker 1: they should know. I don't want that ship because you
Speaker 1: give me a half a million dollar house. I gotta
Speaker 1: pay the mortgage on this motherfucker. I gotta pay the
Speaker 1: taxes on the property. Okay to do it, So you
Speaker 1: ain't never getting no rule to yet. Yeah, right, it
Speaker 1: could go like that, But then but then think about it.
Speaker 1: Eight opposed to him giving you know what I'm saying seven,
Speaker 1: you know, say one cent, you know, fifty cents? You
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, Because if he paid your your
Speaker 1: album do five hundred thousand and he giving you fifty cents,
Speaker 1: he was pretty much doing non traditional deals. But but
Speaker 1: but no, let's do that. Let's do that. Let's do
Speaker 1: the numbers. Though. If he give you fifty cent a record,
Speaker 1: and you go go, what is what is what is
Speaker 1: he supposed to get you? What is the math on that?
Speaker 1: What's at two hundred fifty thousand? That's two hundred fifty thousand.
Speaker 1: So if he didn't basically invested a million dollars in you,
Speaker 1: he paid you, you see what I'm saying, more than
Speaker 1: what you would have got if he said, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do? You like the white Man, do you?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Here you go. You're gonna
Speaker 1: get your your YOURR seven points. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And here you go. And then you wait for this
Speaker 1: money to come in and wait for us to recouping
Speaker 1: all that ship. So you see it, it's still not
Speaker 1: a good deal man, because at the end of the day, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta how are you gonna pay for that ship?
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be that rapid nigga forever? You're not
Speaker 1: getting them shows. You're not. You already seeing you're not talented.
Speaker 1: You're not talented. So okay, you take the house. You
Speaker 1: take that. So you're going so you gotta remain the hustler,
Speaker 1: right because you got a million dollar you got a
Speaker 1: half a million dollar house. You got two cards in
Speaker 1: your driveway total than a half a million. Now you
Speaker 1: got a million dollar tack. Now you're gonna how am
Speaker 1: I supposed to maintain this ship? When I can't get
Speaker 1: a fucking show. No, that's what you do. Well, you
Speaker 1: hot to get your ass out on tour. You most
Speaker 1: of them niggas was not hot, and you know, but
Speaker 1: this is no they hot if they got a gold record.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If you got a gold record,
Speaker 1: there's somebody somewhere buying your ship, and it's niggas. It
Speaker 1: will give you when we know, we know the game.
Speaker 1: A lot of that ship is not selling. A lot
Speaker 1: of that ship was being bought by their own companies.
Speaker 1: You said, a lot of that ship, like you said,
Speaker 1: the name was selling that ship. A lot of those artists,
Speaker 1: like I said, I was gonna sign a no limit okay,
Speaker 1: l A lot of those artists, like you said, the
Speaker 1: name was selling them. And at a time when the
Speaker 1: name was done, what had happened to a lot of
Speaker 1: artists on the limit for sure? Okay, So now I'm
Speaker 1: stuck with a million dollar fucking house paid for it.
Speaker 1: You can, but ain't it different? If if it would
Speaker 1: be different if m c A signed with no limit,
Speaker 1: and just think what he would have did up front
Speaker 1: with you because you m c A. But like you said,
Speaker 1: in the long run, that house is gonna be sold,
Speaker 1: the cars is gonna be sold. But then eight but
Speaker 1: though playing Devil's advocate, though bro, if he had did
Speaker 1: a traditional deal, left because if you were smart enough,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't take a traditional deal. But some artists as
Speaker 1: but some artists as the beginning artists. You gotta take
Speaker 1: about it. Like I said, you gotta nigga right off
Speaker 1: the street. What kind of leverage do we have? Really?
Speaker 1: Nothing exactly, sound like he was unfair. No, it was
Speaker 1: ultimately what I'm saying. Ultimately, what I'm saying is no,
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I can't speak for everybody, but pe
Speaker 1: is a given dude, like he gave freely, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And actually it's a lot of times
Speaker 1: where I would tell him, nigga, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I think you're being too nice,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But you know, but you
Speaker 1: can't please everybody in this business. And the thing he
Speaker 1: was like, he said that when you gotta do that,
Speaker 1: ain't really talented that don't know the business? Oh he
Speaker 1: know is he got this house and these two cars.
Speaker 1: In his mind he thinks he really don't did some
Speaker 1: ship but but that it could have been at the
Speaker 1: beginning responsibility people going the hood. Oh you wrapped? Come
Speaker 1: on now, somebody in the hood. So dog, you gotta
Speaker 1: think just like like with with Puffy, right, just like
Speaker 1: with Diddy and I think rest in Peace to was
Speaker 1: a black ribe that just passed away. You know, people
Speaker 1: was like, he's I mean, no disrespect, but dude is grown.
Speaker 1: So just because he worked for Puffy and was signed
Speaker 1: a Puffy twenty five years ago, he's still supposed to
Speaker 1: be responsible for him. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: this is a grown ass man. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So at some point where it's a kind of building
Speaker 1: the internet. Man, don't nothing make sense on the internet.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. But I'm kind of saying
Speaker 1: even to eight point though, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like if a nigga you you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like in the hood, if a nigga
Speaker 1: throw you a couple, you know what I'm saying, Whatever
Speaker 1: whatever and tell you okay, wrong with the ball. You
Speaker 1: ain't even gotta pay me nothing back, Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So now you fumble the rock. You know,
Speaker 1: when you fall on your ass. Oh so it's his fault,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that, But that's how like
Speaker 1: you said, we're talking about people, man, that don't have
Speaker 1: no place in the music business. Sometimes they just don't
Speaker 1: got no places. That's what you're talking about. Them people
Speaker 1: will always be even though they got more than what
Speaker 1: they were supposed to get tech they got a shot,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Because it was some people
Speaker 1: that came off with no limits, that had pretty cool careers.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of vival artists that came from
Speaker 1: John to say that's death from some There was a
Speaker 1: lot of them. And I don't say people. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say us on that bro that shouldn't have been in
Speaker 1: the music business. But we wentn't on the music part
Speaker 1: of it. We was on the other end of it.
Speaker 1: Oh No, I wasn't talking about that. Um, I wasn't
Speaker 1: talking about I'm talking about the person that's a rapper.
Speaker 1: It wasn't shouldn't have you over there trying to make
Speaker 1: rap records, you know what I'm saying. That's the whole
Speaker 1: different thing. You know, when you get put somebody in
Speaker 1: the rama being an artist that's different executive. You can
Speaker 1: show somebody how to be executive. You can get a
Speaker 1: homie and tell him how to do this. But when
Speaker 1: you take that same homie can turn them into artists. Now,
Speaker 1: man your wraps and he messed around to get off
Speaker 1: with it. That's a whole different list scenario right there.
Speaker 1: They can kind of get, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: concluded a little bit because they don't understand it. But
Speaker 1: you can't take I wouldn't talking about that things too.
Speaker 1: See the thing about me, Bro is like I don't know, Bro,
Speaker 1: the way I was raised like accountability. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I don't never make excuses for ship that
Speaker 1: that happened good, you know what I'm saying, Like I
Speaker 1: if somebody give me an opportunity, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's up to me to educate myself and to fill
Speaker 1: that opportunity. And if we can talk about opportunities, let's
Speaker 1: go into that. So you meet Pete Man. Y'all got
Speaker 1: this um chemistreet shown built up man, and I assumed
Speaker 1: through your relationship with him, you start making the gang
Speaker 1: in connections. What was the first thing that when when
Speaker 1: the real estate thing was the first thing you went into.
Speaker 1: M M. Yeah, real estate again, going back to that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, uh man, still having a
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, A footing the street, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I started buying real estate just
Speaker 1: because I started seeing a lot of the old heads
Speaker 1: in my that was getting money in my city. They
Speaker 1: was doing that. They was buying houses and fixing them up.
Speaker 1: So I thought in my mind, like, Okay, if I
Speaker 1: buy a house and I fixed it up, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, if I go to jail, then it
Speaker 1: could be something, you know, I could leverage to get
Speaker 1: out of something, you know what I mean. So that's
Speaker 1: why that's I bought my first house when I was nineteen,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And uh yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I noticed back in the Midwest, it's easier to
Speaker 1: get a house dollars. That's what I did my first house.
Speaker 1: I paid one thousand for it. I put like another
Speaker 1: fifteen into it. This is what I thought, right because
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm past that point in my life,
Speaker 1: but I was weed. I was moving big weed back
Speaker 1: down going to pass so but that's a whole another story.
Speaker 1: But so I bought a house I paid twenty one
Speaker 1: thou for put another fifteen into it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And I was standing outside the house thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, like, damn, I'm gonna get my money back,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, and I'm like, ship,
Speaker 1: if I if I because I'm renting it for like
Speaker 1: six hundred a month because that's the cost of living there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I'm like, damn, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be all fucking year, you know, years get my money.
Speaker 1: And then it dinned on me like, oh, this ship
Speaker 1: like weed. You don't make a lot of money, y'all
Speaker 1: of it, but its volume, you know, because that's what
Speaker 1: I understood at the time. So I was like, shoot,
Speaker 1: I need to get tentities, you know. So they end
Speaker 1: of like get tentities. Now I got by six seven
Speaker 1: thousand coming in a month, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about equity. I didn't know no type
Speaker 1: of language of real estate and no ship. I just
Speaker 1: knew by this cost. I didn't know none of that,
Speaker 1: right appraisal, what the fund is that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So, um, by the time I hit twenty one,
Speaker 1: I had like twelve properties, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I was just chasing that monthly ring, you know,
Speaker 1: he trying to get that ship and trying to hurry
Speaker 1: up before this looming jail thing I thought was coming,
Speaker 1: you know. And uh I remember my uh my brother
Speaker 1: had introduced me to this lady at a UM at
Speaker 1: a credit union down there, and she was just impressed
Speaker 1: by me. I didn't understand why. You know. She was like,
Speaker 1: so you got that many properties freeing clear. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But when you get money
Speaker 1: like that, it's like, I ain't mean. And she was like,
Speaker 1: you know how much equity you got? I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And so anyway, she showed me how to
Speaker 1: basically leverage, you know what, I had my portfolio, and
Speaker 1: probably in about a couple of months she had got
Speaker 1: me like a seven hundred thousand not a line of
Speaker 1: credit over that ship, which means I had access to
Speaker 1: seven hundred thousand or do whatever I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what I'm saying. And then I'm
Speaker 1: getting money from the records. I'm getting money, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I was I was moving back then,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and that's what opened
Speaker 1: my my mind to start thinking outside the box on
Speaker 1: a lot of ship, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: then I started doing it in Atlanta. I had a
Speaker 1: business in Atlanta too, So yeah, I started really um
Speaker 1: spread my wings, you know what I'm saying. Entrepreneurial, you know. Wise,
Speaker 1: So you kind of started gravitating more towards that in
Speaker 1: the music as when I was started doing the music. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was still doing the music that I was doing
Speaker 1: everything because you gotta think, that's what Pe model for me,
Speaker 1: you know, to have these multiple revenue streams. You know,
Speaker 1: That's the thing I learned from Pete was work ethic,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like he never just had
Speaker 1: one thing. Think about it. When no limit was at
Speaker 1: his peak, he had toys, he had choose, he had speakers,
Speaker 1: he had all kinds of ship, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that's that's what was modeled for me. So that's
Speaker 1: what I you know, that's what I emulated in my
Speaker 1: own way. You know. So I had the records, I had, uh,
Speaker 1: I had a business in Atlanta, had real estate in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: I had the properties and again I'm like one, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, so you just kept the party.
Speaker 1: You just kept the party going with the real estate
Speaker 1: then and then eventually started getting to succeed. This is
Speaker 1: my whole thing with real estate, right, it's a slow ground.
Speaker 1: Like you said, at first, you get a house, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, charging um thousand dollars rent, your
Speaker 1: mortgage might be nine fifty a month or whatever like
Speaker 1: that here. Yeah, but no not you can't get no
Speaker 1: show like like like this is not a cash flow
Speaker 1: type state because it's so expensive. So that's what I
Speaker 1: was saying. In California, it is hard. So I'm just
Speaker 1: telling the listeners out there, everybody and not gonna have
Speaker 1: the same success the Midwest. Different ship. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta do it in the South and Middlewest because you
Speaker 1: can go you can go to like I'll take you
Speaker 1: some ship. Now. You can get a house for five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Yeah, you had to put a lot of
Speaker 1: ship into it. It makes it be a land with
Speaker 1: a foundation on it. Because just the thing still when
Speaker 1: I so when I did that, I moved out here
Speaker 1: when I was twenty three, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And I moved to Brentwood, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: right down Barrington and Sunset, and it was a culture
Speaker 1: shock for me, you know what I mean, because I'm
Speaker 1: like the rent over there. I was paying like four
Speaker 1: grand a month for a two bed room, you know
Speaker 1: what i mean. I'm like the fun Like I just
Speaker 1: came from a townhouse, you know what I'm saying, with
Speaker 1: three floors and six bedrooms and ship and I was
Speaker 1: paying fifteen hundred dollars in Kansas Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: But it was a trip because when I went to
Speaker 1: go buy my first house, I was looking at Brentwood
Speaker 1: and I ain't gonna lie. I couldn't afford it, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That ship in Brentwood was like
Speaker 1: Fox five million for hair down. So I end up
Speaker 1: moving to a Sino and I tripped on that because
Speaker 1: the first house I bought in a SnO was like
Speaker 1: a million, you know what I mean. And I was like, fuck,
Speaker 1: like ship, twenty of my properties in Kansas City is
Speaker 1: this one house, you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 1: like the cost of living I had to adjust to,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying coming out here. And then
Speaker 1: that's when I've seen it. I can't do that real
Speaker 1: estate ship out here. Out here, this is a flipping city,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You just by low, get
Speaker 1: a good deal and then flip that ship. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I was going back to. I said, Man, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit easier, you know what I'm saying. The
Speaker 1: Mother's states. This ship is so expensive, super expensive out here, bro,
Speaker 1: you know. And then that's when I started getting into
Speaker 1: producing movies and ship like that. Then I started, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, using my money to do that
Speaker 1: over show. So you were so you jumped allay in
Speaker 1: the movie game with some of the d s. The
Speaker 1: first movie I did, I spent like three hundred thousand
Speaker 1: on my own money. It was a movie I did
Speaker 1: with me and Cat Williams and Lawrence Hill and Jacobs
Speaker 1: called Young American Gangsters, and I, uh, that was just
Speaker 1: some ship I just tried. I moved out here and
Speaker 1: I started like auditioning for ship, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I started doing a bunch of independent movies and just
Speaker 1: kind of learning what they do and how they do
Speaker 1: what they do and asking questions and ship. And then
Speaker 1: once I started learning more, I was like, Ship, I
Speaker 1: can do this ship I got the money to do
Speaker 1: this ship, you just put up your own three stacks. Man. Listen, dog,
Speaker 1: I'm young, you know what I'm saying. Dumb. I didn't
Speaker 1: even have an exit strategy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I just was like, funking, I'm gonna do it. How
Speaker 1: did that work out? It worked out barely. So I
Speaker 1: end up my co producer Ken that came with me.
Speaker 1: He took me to Cans to France, to the peace
Speaker 1: to the Cans Film Festival. So I flew over there
Speaker 1: to get distribution for my movie. And I got distribution
Speaker 1: with a company literally around the corner from my house.
Speaker 1: And that's crazy, some niggers, it's around the corner from you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I got sucked on that movie too, because you know,
Speaker 1: I was you know, I thought like a drug dealer,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So they gave me a
Speaker 1: little bit over what I spent on it, and I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do another one. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Many people made three five me not about that movie,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But that's the thing, man,
Speaker 1: I learned. That's why you got to educate yourself to
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And I was chasing money because I
Speaker 1: had a you know, drug dealer mentality. But that's what
Speaker 1: I learned, like, you gotta do ship that you love
Speaker 1: and ship that you that you you know, move with purpose,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because anytime you chase some money,
Speaker 1: you're gonna fail at the ship. You know, chasing money
Speaker 1: only applies in the street because that's all it is.
Speaker 1: But when you start wanting to build things and get
Speaker 1: into things, you gotta really love what you're doing because
Speaker 1: you're gonna put in the time to master it and
Speaker 1: it'll be successful. So it was kind of a failure,
Speaker 1: but it was but at the same time, it was
Speaker 1: a lesson, you know. So you got your money, you
Speaker 1: got your money back. They could have been been a
Speaker 1: lot of worse. You could have not got your breath back.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been tripping. That's that's that. But that's
Speaker 1: that admitting I was getting it like that. I wasn't
Speaker 1: even tripping. That three hundred wasn't nothing at the time,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I was just like
Speaker 1: because I was literally in my living room watching myself, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm feeling myself like, get me a cat
Speaker 1: on it. Then it donned on me, like, boy, how
Speaker 1: are you gonna get your money out of this? I
Speaker 1: had no idea, you know what I'm saying. None. And
Speaker 1: you know that's why you gotta study what it is
Speaker 1: you're trying to do yourself, so you know you made
Speaker 1: the mistakes that you know, what was the first move
Speaker 1: you make out made outside of the real estate that
Speaker 1: was like pretty much that that home run. He was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it. Now this is with cragging. Man, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. Still, Um, I don't know that I
Speaker 1: necessarily had one. To be very honest, I think I
Speaker 1: just start knowing how to move different and more efficient
Speaker 1: with what I was doing, you know what I'm saying, Like, um,
Speaker 1: I mean, I made money, money come and go. But
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's just learning how to I always say,
Speaker 1: you live life long enough here to teach you how
Speaker 1: to live, you know what I'm saying. So I think
Speaker 1: it's just learning and paying attention to the lessons and
Speaker 1: the failures that I had, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and doing better, just doing you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You know, me and James were talking about that earlier,
Speaker 1: and I was telling him. I said, man, um, whenever
Speaker 1: I don't hear the I would hear the lick on
Speaker 1: somebody and get that money. It seemed like that money
Speaker 1: would just go like fast, like it was almost like
Speaker 1: like disappear in your pockets. Kind yeah, for sure, because
Speaker 1: it don't have no value. But if I went to
Speaker 1: work for my uncle or something that he built, I
Speaker 1: was back then if I want to work for him
Speaker 1: in the summer for a week to get them hundred
Speaker 1: dollars for them school clothes or whatever, it seemed like
Speaker 1: I held only that money, I wouldn't. I might not
Speaker 1: buy them Leavis. I man, I can't get in a
Speaker 1: T shirt. I gotta you know, we gotta go to
Speaker 1: k Mark. Yeah, you appreciate you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You appreciate it a little bit more. And I think
Speaker 1: it's the same thing like you said you had the
Speaker 1: drug deal mentality. You just you suggest hitting them. But
Speaker 1: you know what, I worked hard for that ship. I
Speaker 1: don't know who said that the hustling was easy, because
Speaker 1: it wasn't, and not to not how I was doing it.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a lot of logistics that ship,
Speaker 1: and headache and stress that went with it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it wasn't easy by any you know.
Speaker 1: And then again I had other businesses that I was running,
Speaker 1: even with the real estates I created, um just about default.
Speaker 1: I had created a property management company because I had
Speaker 1: all those properties, and because I had moved to l
Speaker 1: A and you know, I would meet different investors that
Speaker 1: also had properties in my city and they would ask
Speaker 1: me like, man, you gotta air condition? Due, Man, you
Speaker 1: got a plumber, you know. So it dawned on me like, oh, Ship,
Speaker 1: I'm from there, so I have a network there. So
Speaker 1: you know, I got a couple of chicks, and I
Speaker 1: created a property management company, which you know, that company
Speaker 1: even now to this day, you know, we managed like
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars worth the assets. And that was just
Speaker 1: me on some hustle. Ship. I just seen an opportunity like, oh, Ship,
Speaker 1: you ain't got air condition, dude, Oh you don't either.
Speaker 1: How many properties you got? You got forty? You don't
Speaker 1: worry about it. I got air condition, do Yeah. We're
Speaker 1: gonna outlined it first, like yeah, man, I got a
Speaker 1: whole company. We got people that have handled that for you.
Speaker 1: So at some point I had to structure correctly but
Speaker 1: you know it's just you know, like Pepe would always say, Man,
Speaker 1: to start a good business, you know, you find a problem,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and then you present the solution.
Speaker 1: So you know that was just by chance, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's another thing that I had got into. But
Speaker 1: man is just paying attention to to the to the opportunity,
Speaker 1: man and not being scared to try some ship, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I tried. I ain't never
Speaker 1: been scared to put up my own money or try
Speaker 1: something or fail, you know what I mean. That's just
Speaker 1: part of the process. You gotta be willing to take
Speaker 1: You gotta be willing to take risk, and you would
Speaker 1: do man pretty much. They come from the same environment.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of us, you know. So it could
Speaker 1: have went either way. Yeah for sure. You know it
Speaker 1: could have went either way because Kansas City is a
Speaker 1: mother do the city got some going on out there? Yeah, Bro,
Speaker 1: I wasn't that good. I mean, I don't take the
Speaker 1: credit like that, you know what I'm saying. I had
Speaker 1: a lot of people praying for me to be honest
Speaker 1: with you. You know, I just I wasn't that you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like just super smart and just
Speaker 1: super you know what I mean. I mean, I did
Speaker 1: everything I could to try to make it. But you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people praying for me, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, honestly. And then too, you know, my
Speaker 1: old lady man, you know that I think having a
Speaker 1: good woman in your in your corner, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and keeps you grounded and kind of balances
Speaker 1: you off status. That had a lot to do with
Speaker 1: it too, you know what I mean, because she you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I had kids early, you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: my daughter, I had my daughter my six team, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I kind of had to
Speaker 1: step up to the plate early in life. You know.
Speaker 1: I went to jail at fifteen. Then I got a
Speaker 1: child at six team. So while I'm doing all of that,
Speaker 1: even with pe in real estate, I got a whole
Speaker 1: fucking family, you know what I'm saying. So you had
Speaker 1: to make some Yeah, and behind closed doors, I'm working
Speaker 1: on being a man, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: may have seen poise than all of that ship, but
Speaker 1: behind closed doors, and I'm trying to figure it out
Speaker 1: because I didn't grow up with my father the state
Speaker 1: made me go live with my father. I had had
Speaker 1: a relationship with him really up to that point. So
Speaker 1: we like two niggas just living in the house. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, When when did you figure out
Speaker 1: you was a man? Because I tell everybody I didn't
Speaker 1: figure out I was a man, Jill. I was in
Speaker 1: my fifties. For the chef. I'm gonna tell you, I
Speaker 1: know exactly, James, that's a good question. I tell you
Speaker 1: exactly when I knew I had moved to l A.
Speaker 1: I had went back to Kansas City one time. I
Speaker 1: was with my brother, who does really estate. He the
Speaker 1: one that actually kind of taught me and my job.
Speaker 1: My only child is my half brother. I didn't meet
Speaker 1: him till I was like fifteen sixteen. So now he
Speaker 1: is square dude, you know what I mean. I was
Speaker 1: on his porch and one of his properties and somebody
Speaker 1: broke into it. He was passing his cards out to
Speaker 1: the neighbors, and so, uh, you square dude. He was
Speaker 1: just like, Hey, if y'all see somebody mess with the property,
Speaker 1: called the police and call me the dude. So as
Speaker 1: a dude next door or some young niggas, this nigga.
Speaker 1: I'm on the porch literally like, man, I'm thinking to myself, Man,
Speaker 1: my brother needs to hurry up. I gotta go. Nigga
Speaker 1: next door literally looks at me and says, Nigga, what
Speaker 1: the funk you looking at? I looked over my shoulder,
Speaker 1: like who you're talking to? He was like, Niggy, y'all
Speaker 1: think somebody broken your ship and they ain't nobody. He
Speaker 1: just started tripping, So you know, I got my thing
Speaker 1: on me, you know what I mean. So I hop
Speaker 1: off the porch and I gonna walk up on him.
Speaker 1: I said, little nigga, who the fuck you talking to?
Speaker 1: You know? And he was like, no, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: y'all woo woo woo. So at that moment, I said, listen, bro,
Speaker 1: you know, I said, man, my brother owns a h
Speaker 1: insurance company, like he's not tripping like that. And I said,
Speaker 1: and do you hear your mama right here? Your family
Speaker 1: right here, like you don't know what I'm on. And
Speaker 1: I'm saying that to say I started, I start kind
Speaker 1: of chastising him respectfully, and I didn't respond how I
Speaker 1: would have responded years earlier, because I didn't care that
Speaker 1: if he thought I was a bit ass nigga. Whole
Speaker 1: ass nigga. I didn't even care about that because so
Speaker 1: after I told him, I raised up my shirt and said, Bro,
Speaker 1: you're not even doing it right, like you're trying to
Speaker 1: be tough and shit, like you don't even know who
Speaker 1: you're talking to. I raised up my shirt and showed him,
Speaker 1: you know, like nigga, you you out here just being tough,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I told him, I said, dog,
Speaker 1: you know the cemetery full of tough niggas. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The penitentiary full of tough niggas too.
Speaker 1: They had to show them niggas what time it was,
Speaker 1: so it's a lose lose situation. But he acted like
Speaker 1: he had never been talked to like that before. He apologized,
Speaker 1: gave me, you know, Dapa sit man my bad behind me. Boy,
Speaker 1: you know how he is out here. So when I
Speaker 1: walked away from that situation, I said, damn, I said,
Speaker 1: I finally grew up. I finally grew up, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Because I didn't care rather he thought
Speaker 1: I was a whole ass nigga. I didn't care whether
Speaker 1: he thought I told him that I said, dog, if
Speaker 1: you this is what I don't care if you say
Speaker 1: I'm a bit or whatever you're gonna say about me. Dog,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I don't have no problem
Speaker 1: with you. This is just a misunderstanding, you know. And
Speaker 1: I say that I was about five six, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I think that's when I hit
Speaker 1: adulthood right then, even though I had an old lady,
Speaker 1: kids and all that ship. You know, my mentality, you know,
Speaker 1: ship sometimes even now, you know what I mean, you
Speaker 1: may kind of digressive, bit, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: with certain situations. I think I think we all don't
Speaker 1: have them nigger moments as adults, that we don't have
Speaker 1: them miltdowns and ship. The motherfucker press your button and
Speaker 1: you start acting out when the motherfuckering ship. You know,
Speaker 1: So would you say man for because it seemed like
Speaker 1: you had a plan, right And it don't go like
Speaker 1: that for everybody, because I think for every former D
Speaker 1: boy man, they very seldom get to actually become who
Speaker 1: they are supposed to be, because I know most of
Speaker 1: them is like every drug dealer I ever knew was
Speaker 1: actually some of the best business people I don't ever
Speaker 1: seen you know what I mean. And I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: put none of my homies, but it's an executive out
Speaker 1: that not it's killing it. And I know for Shore,
Speaker 1: he was you know what I'm saying, doing his things.
Speaker 1: Some of them make the best businessman, but a lot
Speaker 1: of them don't get that chance, the opportunity. Like you said, man,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people. Man. I think when
Speaker 1: people go when they're about to get cracked, I think
Speaker 1: they know. My brother in law was about to get cracked.
Speaker 1: He knew, we thought he is losing his mind. You know.
Speaker 1: I think everybody knows, so you might not have been
Speaker 1: going crazy, you know what I think. Man, It was
Speaker 1: somebody telling on me at the point, because when I
Speaker 1: would come back from Kansas City, UM, or really from
Speaker 1: anywhere in the Midwest. When I would come through l
Speaker 1: a x Dog, the people would always jam me up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They called me with money
Speaker 1: a few times, you know, and I would be like, damn,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I'm coming through. That I start
Speaker 1: trying different airlines and ship and I'm not talking I'm
Speaker 1: talking about when I'm leaving l a X Plain clothes
Speaker 1: motherfuckers start coming up to me like you know how
Speaker 1: much you know, how much money do you have on you?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I'm like, when that ship start,
Speaker 1: you know, so you you see little signs like that,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to make it seem like I
Speaker 1: was on something. You know, I wasn't, you know, Freeway
Speaker 1: Ricky Ross and no ship like that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I was a weed, dude. I didn't funk
Speaker 1: with none of that other ship, right. I learned that
Speaker 1: early on because you know, because of them crack laws
Speaker 1: and ship you know what I'm saying, And I start
Speaker 1: seeing niggas you know, getting some ship or ounce, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's what made a lot of
Speaker 1: niggers though, go to the weed game stead of the
Speaker 1: d game, you mean, because man, the motherfucking laws back
Speaker 1: then wasn't no Still still motherfucker's was getting cracked for
Speaker 1: that weed though. Yeah, I was operating in federal guidelines
Speaker 1: with the weed because I'm you know, I'm getting for
Speaker 1: five hundred pounds, you know what I'm saying. But even
Speaker 1: still it was still different. It's Reggie ship, this their
Speaker 1: headaches ship right right right? That stressed stress. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But but it was going back then,
Speaker 1: back in them days, and that's all you had in
Speaker 1: the mid West, man. No, yeah, that's all they had. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know this is before me, this is you know me.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even the thing y'all had indol and yeah
Speaker 1: we we had a little time. We have orange. But
Speaker 1: you go back on tour back east, nigga, you knop
Speaker 1: off that motherfucking tour bus sticks and stones may break
Speaker 1: your old ship. Fine cracker going off like God? Really,
Speaker 1: but going back back then, yeah, nigga pounded that ship
Speaker 1: was going for thousand dollars. I mean because what it
Speaker 1: was back then. I mean, it's old ship. But like
Speaker 1: I paid two d pass so and I come back
Speaker 1: home six fifty you know what I'm saying, six hundred
Speaker 1: just cash out. Yeah, and I ran, I ran very quietly.
Speaker 1: I was never you know, a super per seed, like
Speaker 1: I said, Man, it's just God because I was a rapper.
Speaker 1: So people knew me as that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you really couldn't tell the difference. Only people I
Speaker 1: dealt with. And I'll be honest with you, and you
Speaker 1: know I don't want to like give novice and nothing
Speaker 1: like that. But I didn't deal with everybody. I didn't
Speaker 1: deal with niggas that I felt like there was on
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Speaker 1: to start your rich water day. I didn't deal with niggas.
Speaker 1: I felt like I didn't have nothing to lose, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And nigga don't do anything for money.
Speaker 1: I didn't deal with them. I deal with niggas that
Speaker 1: had businesses, niggas that worked every day but still did
Speaker 1: their things and they was trying to just you know,
Speaker 1: get by. I didn't deal with like trapping, trapping tight niggas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: weed is a whole different clients, yea man, because I
Speaker 1: sold both, and I'll tell you I prefer the weed
Speaker 1: customer crack customerstomer. Yeah, you know chilling how that I'm
Speaker 1: saying stick, you know, because the weed because I lived
Speaker 1: next door for a whole bunch of people that went
Speaker 1: to Long Beach State, And so I be able to
Speaker 1: go get an ounce of red hair sets for thirty
Speaker 1: forty bucks man from Ontario, I will drive out the Ontario.
Speaker 1: Don't get me two or three ounces of red hair
Speaker 1: sets and just come on and bag up, yeah, and
Speaker 1: be so without dude, and just made my money that way.
Speaker 1: And it was just a way easier time. When I
Speaker 1: got into the crack, ship Dog, it feels like the
Speaker 1: devil said your chest man. It's like it's a crazy
Speaker 1: ass motherfucking It's just real. It's a funked up five,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Crack touched my family like
Speaker 1: I'm sure it did everybody and everybody's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I just didn't see. I knew niggas that was
Speaker 1: making money in it, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: you know I do niggas doing you know, phone a
Speaker 1: halves nine eighteens, everybody like they was. The man was
Speaker 1: doing like you said, niggas was doing four and a
Speaker 1: half and nine ounces, and ship I just not doing
Speaker 1: no more, you know what. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And that should go a long way in the hood
Speaker 1: where you could buy some dating's. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: get your ship together, you look, you know, getting chains
Speaker 1: some clothes. But you know, I've seen too many niggas, man,
Speaker 1: you know, get that time and I was like, it's
Speaker 1: not worth an ounces a thousand dollars back then eight
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. And I'm like, bro, you know, ten years
Speaker 1: for a sixteen ro you know huh you know so
Speaker 1: um yeah, the weed thing, you know, that was what
Speaker 1: that was. And and I got a homeboy right now,
Speaker 1: man rat you know Chevelle Foy should he they gave
Speaker 1: him thirty years. I actually have a documentary that I'm
Speaker 1: producing called Ghostop based on that because you know, like
Speaker 1: he got thirty years. I went to high school with him.
Speaker 1: Good dude, you know what I'm saying, Telling nobody or
Speaker 1: nothing they game thirty years for they didn't catch him
Speaker 1: with a grain of salt. And you know that's how
Speaker 1: they get us with the conspiracy loss. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, if enohing niggas say you did it,
Speaker 1: then you didn't. They don't got to catch you with nothing.
Speaker 1: If if if me decided to conspire on you, say, man,
Speaker 1: I saw a kid of doping it back his car.
Speaker 1: They didn't come and pick you up. Man, thirty years
Speaker 1: of this man's life though, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: they never and I read through the case and they
Speaker 1: basically convicted him on you know, they say ship, like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: through our surveillance and our wire taps, we estimate he
Speaker 1: was moving this estimated You charge the nigger with estimation,
Speaker 1: like you're supposed to put that ship on the table,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, um, you know that,
Speaker 1: you know, the rules change when you start getting in
Speaker 1: the heron and all. You know, and even now with
Speaker 1: math and all that ship, you know, the game done. Really,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying with technology and all that,
Speaker 1: because even I'm younger than y'all, but you know, so
Speaker 1: I'm in the nineties when I jumped off the porch,
Speaker 1: but the eighties y'all could really get it. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, y'all could really get it. But man,
Speaker 1: it's too much technology. Boy, we just talked about the
Speaker 1: one in jail now, macminister. Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah. Technology
Speaker 1: will catch your ass up like like a motherfucker dude.
Speaker 1: Because the thing was, I got a homeboy, that worked
Speaker 1: on I ain't gonna say what beer he worked for,
Speaker 1: but he worked homicide. And he told me, man, they
Speaker 1: cracked the case. He said, dude, here's something crazy. We
Speaker 1: cracked the case because dude, I guess a piece of
Speaker 1: damn from a piece of his skin fell off, bro
Speaker 1: for sure, and they was able to take that. Look like,
Speaker 1: how the hell do you find a piece of skin
Speaker 1: and the shag carpet, bro, and just in there looking
Speaker 1: at and that. He said he had the perfect crime.
Speaker 1: But and find pizzas And that's just scary though, just
Speaker 1: the coldest one County jail. You know, you gotta get swabbed, definitely,
Speaker 1: that's start opinion and painion. And they started taking motherfucker's
Speaker 1: out of their sail. Oh uh we investigating this and
Speaker 1: from years ago, yeah, oh, because you gotta get swabbed
Speaker 1: in county jail. Now now you can be out of
Speaker 1: there raping the motherfucker. Why don't they put that ship through.
Speaker 1: What you get, what you get a felony, so you
Speaker 1: become a felon here. So now they've breaking motherfucker's down
Speaker 1: with it. I've been I'm talking about five ships rape
Speaker 1: just DNA match. That's the coldest ship on the planet
Speaker 1: because they have swabbed the nigger like it ain't ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd have been a prisoner to my own technology though,
Speaker 1: And thank god, by man, I remember what it was
Speaker 1: probably a couple of years ago, you know, I had
Speaker 1: one of the moments of uh, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know, and I wanted to it was something happening,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I was I was
Speaker 1: about to get on some bullshit. But then you get
Speaker 1: to think, and I was like, funk, I got all
Speaker 1: these rain cameras around my house and I couldn't even
Speaker 1: think of how to delete the ship. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, Oh, you can't go to my house
Speaker 1: and be like nigga, you left at twelve am. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You get cut your house. You
Speaker 1: don't come and tell you the biggest thing, the biggest
Speaker 1: thing to get motherfucker's cut up. Now, this ship right here,
Speaker 1: right next to their phone, right make phone, dog, because
Speaker 1: this ship right here, dude, I don't care what kind
Speaker 1: of alibiut you get. Who you thinking motherfucker's think is
Speaker 1: they turned his motherfucker off. It could plank to you
Speaker 1: right right now. One thing. No, no, no, I bet
Speaker 1: they're different on that one. Turn that motherfucker off. It
Speaker 1: ain't gonna pin. They can't tell where you I don't know, James,
Speaker 1: because now they got the ship where the camera like
Speaker 1: right now, this motherfuck probably taking pictures of me right now.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like they got it where
Speaker 1: turn their mother upside down there clothed. They can't be
Speaker 1: where you at, but its mother motherfucker. You gotta do
Speaker 1: his thing. Your phone on, baby, hit my phone callers
Speaker 1: number a certain amount of time and just let it
Speaker 1: just ship there. Yea, like the truth. I didn't know
Speaker 1: what you're doing to record what's what's on the this
Speaker 1: time from this time? But this is my thing, Like
Speaker 1: what I tell young guys, man, you know what saying,
Speaker 1: specially those from my city who familiar with you know
Speaker 1: the run I had back then, and you know, listen,
Speaker 1: everybody have a good run. You got an expiration date.
Speaker 1: It just is what it is. If I still have
Speaker 1: been doing that, I'm sure at some point I'd have
Speaker 1: an issue, you know, at some point, you know, I say, man,
Speaker 1: you you know you use that ship, you use what
Speaker 1: you learned in that, you use your resource. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You so with a plan and with
Speaker 1: a purpose. You know. Um, I mean every good business
Speaker 1: was founded on a good crime. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When you think the health the United States? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So even with prohibition and all that ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's all founded on some bullshit.
Speaker 1: So I always tell guys, man, you gotta he sees
Speaker 1: your opportunity. I told a little homie of mine, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He gonna see this and know
Speaker 1: who I'm talking about. But here a little part of
Speaker 1: mine that was He wind up being on the FBI's
Speaker 1: most wanting He was on the run for five years.
Speaker 1: I literally told this nigga. I said, bro, you are
Speaker 1: having a wonderful run. I told him this when he
Speaker 1: was getting it, getting it, getting it right. I mean
Speaker 1: this nigga would I said, you having a run way
Speaker 1: past what I was doing because his nigga ball rolls
Speaker 1: Royces and all kind of ship. So no, and he
Speaker 1: was telling me not because it man, it's weed, And said,
Speaker 1: I said, nigger, I said, the amount of me that
Speaker 1: you're doing, they get no, you you they get it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and they end up, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, catching up with him and he
Speaker 1: told me. He was like, man, you're right, bro. He
Speaker 1: was like he was right because I was telling him.
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, you know, man, you have so
Speaker 1: much money. Now you become a prisoner of your money.
Speaker 1: You can't even do ship with it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. You gotta rolls Royce and your sister's name, like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like what you doing? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So you know that's why I
Speaker 1: try to tell these young guys, man, educate yourself, you know,
Speaker 1: find something that you love. You know, you got guys
Speaker 1: that you know, you like cars, Okay, start flipping some cars,
Speaker 1: you know, get you a little lot, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever it is you like doing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like you know ship? Hey, you know
Speaker 1: you you was an athlete. You enjoyed football, So you're coaching,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you know it's always
Speaker 1: something that you love, you know, and and you're going
Speaker 1: to succeed at it. So that's what I like. Because
Speaker 1: me and Pete we travel. We talked to kids a lot,
Speaker 1: and that's always my message to them. Even some of
Speaker 1: the ones is older. You know they've got their mind
Speaker 1: made up. You know that that's what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dog, you know what I'm saying, you could
Speaker 1: do you You probably have skills that will take you
Speaker 1: so much further. Yeah, man, So I know you gotta
Speaker 1: your next step in your evolution. You don't step in
Speaker 1: the media and you gotta podcast now. You gotta show
Speaker 1: eats you doing now? Yeah? Yeah, for sure holding court podcast.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I did that with me
Speaker 1: and my co producer Ken. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Producer Ken. Um. You know, We've been producing a lot
Speaker 1: of content. You know, I got a TV show as well,
Speaker 1: called twelve that I produced, Um, that I created with
Speaker 1: me and act actress Jasmine Lewis. You know what I'm saying. Uh,
Speaker 1: we got a sticky fingers attached to it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. We got Master p in it, We
Speaker 1: got Dion Cole in it. So really I kind of
Speaker 1: been focusing on just being a media company in general,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So the podcast is just
Speaker 1: the arm of that, you know what I mean? Um?
Speaker 1: And you know, like I tell guys, man, I'm not
Speaker 1: formally educated. I graduated high school, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So everything that I've learned up to this point has
Speaker 1: been just simply trying, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 1: felling and and you know, just learning from the missteps,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, even with with movie production,
Speaker 1: with with music, with real estate. I didn't go to
Speaker 1: school for none of that, ship though. It's just a
Speaker 1: lot of common sense and that tenacity and that focus
Speaker 1: from you know, hustling. But so yeah, I created the
Speaker 1: Holding Court podcast man, and uh, you know, I wanted
Speaker 1: it to be a place where, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: like drink Champs, where you come and celebrate the o
Speaker 1: g s. You know what I'm saying. Like a lot
Speaker 1: of these young niggas, they you know, they throw around
Speaker 1: the turn boss, everybody a boss boss boss. I don't
Speaker 1: think they really have a reference point at what that is,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Just because you've got some money,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and what you know that
Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate the motherfucker's who did it with
Speaker 1: no reference point, you know what I'm saying. When you
Speaker 1: look at you, you know, like Luther Campbell's and uh,
Speaker 1: Tony Draper's and and Jay Frances. You know, there was
Speaker 1: no reference point at what they did, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Back then, niggas just want to record deal
Speaker 1: when nobody thinking, like, you know what, I can own
Speaker 1: some ship in control and they that't That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I created the Holding Court Podcast to break on
Speaker 1: you know people, not just you know them, but just
Speaker 1: anybody that's proficient and and you know they're laying and
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and to celebrate them, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and document their journey because man, you know,
Speaker 1: at this point in my life, bro, I'm all about
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, inspiring people, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like even with healthy living, like I look
Speaker 1: like this, I work out as a lifestyle, but I
Speaker 1: also try to you know, motivate us as as black people,
Speaker 1: as Niggers in the hood that you know, to be
Speaker 1: health conscious, you know what I'm saying. You know, it's
Speaker 1: cool to look like this, but more importantly, you want
Speaker 1: to be healthy on the inside because you got you
Speaker 1: gotta protein or something protein. Yeah yeah. I got my
Speaker 1: own supplement line called True Muscle Sports, and that was
Speaker 1: something that Pete you know, we travel a lot, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And Pete, you know, we would
Speaker 1: go places and people would always ask me like what
Speaker 1: do I would I take. I would run down the
Speaker 1: laundry list of ship that I take, and he was like,
Speaker 1: may need to be telling these people you take something
Speaker 1: your own. And then I was like, damn, I never
Speaker 1: thought about it. He always think about how to hustle
Speaker 1: some Yeah, business man, it's the motherfucker's who has the
Speaker 1: mentality like why give him the money when you can
Speaker 1: do it yourself? Why promote his ship when you should
Speaker 1: be promoting your own ship. Yeah, it's the same. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the same ship they did if they can go
Speaker 1: out and make some protein part and a lot of
Speaker 1: people do that. That's all I did. And he helped
Speaker 1: me with it. He literally found the manufacturing ship. He said, Court,
Speaker 1: let's do it. So it's the same thing that we're
Speaker 1: doing with his You know, he has his products and
Speaker 1: all of that, with the grocery store stuff. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you I saw some master Pete rice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got rice, cereal, pancakes, all this ship. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that's the hustling mock man. This
Speaker 1: nigga boy. He sell Ice toy Eskimo twice. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to tell you. Yeah. So so what I told him,
Speaker 1: I said, Pete, what we need to do is we
Speaker 1: need to create something healthy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And let me run that arm of it. Let me
Speaker 1: be the ambassador for that arm, you know, and especially
Speaker 1: because his narrative is, you know, black business, black owned.
Speaker 1: You know, you want to make a way for your people,
Speaker 1: for your partners, you know what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 1: something we're doing together. So we have a healthy snack
Speaker 1: that we've developed that it'll be out this summer. So
Speaker 1: that and ship, like I said the Holding Court podcast,
Speaker 1: I had ship Pete and came through and done it.
Speaker 1: Silky Shocker, Chico Brown, Um felly male h Ship bone
Speaker 1: thugs well flesh and bone, busybone Um trying to get
Speaker 1: eight excuse me, trying to get eight on that motherfucker
Speaker 1: trying to get games. You know, the sticky fingers man,
Speaker 1: Jasmine Lewis, um J Prince came through. I know you
Speaker 1: got many of your big fancy place over there. Professional
Speaker 1: and everything I was doing and everything I did it
Speaker 1: big because you know that's what I'm saying, bro, I
Speaker 1: come from that understanding of no limits. So we always
Speaker 1: made ship look big. You always gotta make that ship
Speaker 1: look big when you do it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that's why I had my set built. You know,
Speaker 1: we got the three cameras, I got the sound ruined
Speaker 1: the whole nine, you know what I mean. So you know,
Speaker 1: but you know I'm working with you still. You know
Speaker 1: we're gonna figure some sh it out all right, for
Speaker 1: shore man, for show man. Man. There you have it, man,
Speaker 1: And that's you know what, Man, if you got your
Speaker 1: ship together, you can pretty much accomplish anything in life
Speaker 1: and ain't no excute if you got your head on right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this man when came from Kansas City, Missouri, selling weed
Speaker 1: though and doing this thing, and manipulated this opportunity, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I made a lot of mistakes, though, James.
Speaker 1: So I mean still I want to you know, I
Speaker 1: made a lot of mistakes. That's part of the process,
Speaker 1: you know. You have to be willing to fall on
Speaker 1: your face, you know. So I just didn't get everything right,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's why I tell youngsters a lot
Speaker 1: of the times we had we as O. G. S.
Speaker 1: We have the information, not because we just did everything right.
Speaker 1: Sometimes go we fucked up a lot me so, but
Speaker 1: before you do all that, though, I just want to
Speaker 1: let me, let me have a moment to give you
Speaker 1: your flowers though, and you as well. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because I got inspired to do my podcast
Speaker 1: because of y'all, you know what I'm saying, and watching
Speaker 1: that man and el yeah, and watching James for real,
Speaker 1: real talk. This ain't no Hollywood ship you do. You
Speaker 1: know your evolution, you know what I'm saying. From the
Speaker 1: first interview that you did, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: because it was like you didn't want to do the cameras.
Speaker 1: It was just like you was just like, man, listen,
Speaker 1: y'all paying me to be here. Fuck it? What you want?
Speaker 1: What you want to know, I'm gonna tell you. But
Speaker 1: then I watched you embraced that space, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and come into your own and you just
Speaker 1: covered what you had to offer to the world, you
Speaker 1: know what saying, with your testimony and your growth. So man,
Speaker 1: salute to you. Thank you. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Come on, bro, I grew up on you Monday. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I feel like this is an
Speaker 1: older brother right here. You know what I mean, all
Speaker 1: the way from Nigga. The Blue Tape, Um, I bullshit
Speaker 1: you not. We made it was a clean tape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We had two version. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a super inspirational song, you know, back then.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying For me that that was
Speaker 1: the first rap song that I heard that got me
Speaker 1: into music. Was Iced Tea Squeeze the trigger. But when
Speaker 1: I got that Blue tape, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: that we made it, it was like it encapsulated just
Speaker 1: that that that dream exactly with a dream, because we
Speaker 1: all had one as being young kids. We all had
Speaker 1: a dream of being something that we became at that moment,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I used to always
Speaker 1: write raps about that ship, you know, being stuck in poverty,
Speaker 1: being stuck in the gang ship, and wondering what it
Speaker 1: would be like if a nigger had a different path.
Speaker 1: You get me, so all you always you had to
Speaker 1: write those perspectives for because I felt like it was
Speaker 1: always somebody like myself out there getting me, even though
Speaker 1: nig It was banging and doing all that ship we
Speaker 1: all started from, you know, like nephew out there, we
Speaker 1: all started as an innocent young kid who had dreams
Speaker 1: of I don't be a police officer, fireman, I won't
Speaker 1: be a motherfucking football player or fucking whatever, and your
Speaker 1: your dream got crushed by growing up in the motherfucking
Speaker 1: hood man, straight up. That's all we made it. Bro
Speaker 1: That that inspired me. I don't know why. It always
Speaker 1: stuck with me, you know what I'm saying, And over
Speaker 1: the years I would I would kind of go back
Speaker 1: to it, you know what I'm saying, to kind of
Speaker 1: refocus my focus with different levels of my life. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying exactly, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Looking from it's good to see you here. You know, healthy,
Speaker 1: You ain't all funked up, you know exactly, still got
Speaker 1: your facilities, you still look like you Oh you just
Speaker 1: had a birthday and still my nigga. I love what
Speaker 1: you built with this whole thing, you know, and how
Speaker 1: you spearheading it, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: appreciate you to my brother, so you know, I want
Speaker 1: to give y'all y'all exactly appreciate you brow which show
Speaker 1: you know what I got these kids with your gram?
Speaker 1: What's your Instagram? Exactly? My Instagram is I am Big Court.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that they could follow the
Speaker 1: Holding Court podcast on i G as well. You know
Speaker 1: in Facebook. I think it's official Big Quarter, Big Court
Speaker 1: Officials some ship like that. But so man, we we
Speaker 1: could have a link in the description. Man, y'all make
Speaker 1: sure y'all check the homie out. And there's another one down.
Speaker 1: We out of here s