Speaker 1: Hello, Challenge Family. Devin Simone here, and you are listening
Speaker 1: to a new episode of MTV's official Challenge podcast. You guys,
Speaker 1: this is it. We just saw who won. We have
Speaker 1: new champions. Did you see that coming? Like, Okay, if
Speaker 1: you look back throughout the season, did you did you
Speaker 1: have on your scoreboard that it would be Tory and
Speaker 1: Devin taking home the wind. I feel like they put
Speaker 1: a pretty strong perform, like showing pretty much the whole
Speaker 1: way through the season, certainly halfway through. So excited for them,
Speaker 1: also excited to have them on this episode. We're going
Speaker 1: to get into everything about the finale, the final, what
Speaker 1: we didn't see, all the goodies, how they were really feeling.
Speaker 1: We'll find out how long some of those pieces really took.
Speaker 1: You'll be surprised and so much more. I think you'll
Speaker 1: learn a lot about them too. But this season overall,
Speaker 1: you know, it had some highs, it has some lows.
Speaker 1: How are you guys feeling about it? I feel I
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel emotional and no, it's at the
Speaker 1: time of the month. I feel emotional. I think it
Speaker 1: just there were some really great people on the season,
Speaker 1: and you know, Nelson had a shining season, and we
Speaker 1: got to see Olivia and Harassio just crush it this
Speaker 1: season and just full of surprises and twists and turns,
Speaker 1: and it was just so much fun to really watch
Speaker 1: and be a part and of course to share it
Speaker 1: all with you guys. I think something that we're going
Speaker 1: to start doing. I'm gonna test it out, all right,
Speaker 1: let me know what you think about it. But I'm
Speaker 1: going to test out giving an Icon of the Season
Speaker 1: award because I think, of course, we have our champs.
Speaker 1: You know, we do our gold Stars and Timeouts of
Speaker 1: the week, or you know, sometimes we do our Side
Speaker 1: Eye of the Week. But I think that we should
Speaker 1: honor someone who just really was a standout. And while
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who I think deserve
Speaker 1: the nomination, like Amber, I also think Nelson deserves a
Speaker 1: nomination for Icon of this Season. I'm gonna say Olivia,
Speaker 1: Olivia and Harassio, really it's gonna be a twofer because
Speaker 1: every single time they showed up this season as rookie,
Speaker 1: every anything thrown at them. We heard in last week's
Speaker 1: episode and we talked to the showrunner, the hbic Emour,
Speaker 1: she even said that as rookies, anything that was thrown
Speaker 1: at them. They took it and stride. They didn't quit.
Speaker 1: Even when Olivia heard her face, she was still ready
Speaker 1: to go. So I'm going to give them the first
Speaker 1: official Icon of the Season award. Congratulations you guys, you
Speaker 1: really deserve it for this particular episode. You gotta still
Speaker 1: do our gold stars and our timeouts. I'd say that
Speaker 1: our time Out of the week actually is going to
Speaker 1: go to that damn maze. That thing was big. It
Speaker 1: was scary. I was expecting people to jump out from
Speaker 1: the woods. I don't know. It was given me like
Speaker 1: corn people vibes. It was really cool to watch, but
Speaker 1: a little scary as hell. So I'm gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and say that the time Out of the Week goes
Speaker 1: to the maze. Was a little creepy. I'm gonna need
Speaker 1: it to back up. Okay, just back up off the
Speaker 1: people a little bit, and the gold Star of the
Speaker 1: Week goes to our Challenge Champs. Say what you want
Speaker 1: to say. They just displayed everything you want to see
Speaker 1: in a winner this season. I think they did both
Speaker 1: in the way that they won, the way that they
Speaker 1: won with grace, the way you could feel the unity
Speaker 1: of everyone there and you saw a, Nissa and Jordan
Speaker 1: rooting for them and Olivia Harassio as well, and then
Speaker 1: them offering to share some of their money with the
Speaker 1: remaining finalists. Just really a spectacular and beautiful moment all around.
Speaker 1: We got to see Banana's show vulnerability. We don't get
Speaker 1: to see that often as well. Like you, guys, it's
Speaker 1: all the fields, all the heartwarming, such a beautiful season,
Speaker 1: So glad you got to share it with you guys.
Speaker 1: Hope you guys had fun watching it. I know I
Speaker 1: did so good. Like that's what it's about. I feel
Speaker 1: like when we watch the Challenge, and you'll love to
Speaker 1: hear some of the things that Devin and Tory reveal
Speaker 1: when we get into this interview, things that they learned
Speaker 1: while competing, things that they would tell themselves, sort of
Speaker 1: their younger challenge selves. And if you're out there listening
Speaker 1: hoping to one day to Pete on the Challenge, you're
Speaker 1: definitely gonna want to listen for some of the wisdom
Speaker 1: and jims that they drop on this episode as well.
Speaker 1: So do what you need to do, But whatever you do,
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere. We're gonna take a quick break and
Speaker 1: we will be right back with an interview with our
Speaker 1: Challenge champs, Tory and Devin. Right after this, we have
Speaker 1: the ride our dies Dave and Dave or Devin and Tory,
Speaker 1: whatever you like to call them, But no matter what
Speaker 1: you call them, make sure you include their newest title,
Speaker 1: which is Challenge Champions. Welcome you guys, Thank you for
Speaker 1: having you. Don't get all quiet on me. Now, Devin,
Speaker 1: there we go. I am so excited. Can I just
Speaker 1: say just seriously, well deserved, well round of all the
Speaker 1: rounds of applauses, so well deserved, such a beautifully played game.
Speaker 1: What do you guys I think you brought differently to
Speaker 1: this season? Like looking back and given that you guys
Speaker 1: both have so much experience in the Challenge House, like
Speaker 1: as individuals and then we can talk about as a team.
Speaker 1: But what do you think you brought differently to this
Speaker 1: season than seasons prior each other? Yeah? Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: mean that's that's actually the that's the truth, right. It
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, neither one of us really shifted our
Speaker 1: gameplay too too much, our individual gameplay, but it was
Speaker 1: just like a serendipitous fusion of different tactics that really,
Speaker 1: I mean, we were on thin ice there in the beginning,
Speaker 1: and we dodged a few rough patches, but it's tough
Speaker 1: to explain. I never thought that it would really feel
Speaker 1: this way, like so many things have to go right
Speaker 1: that it's like, I don't know, I don't really know
Speaker 1: how it happened to be honest in retric and watching
Speaker 1: it back, yeah, I mean, who is this humble devon
Speaker 1: that we are seeing in this moment? Can I just
Speaker 1: say that even if you guys don't recognize it in
Speaker 1: the last and tour. We've talked about this a little
Speaker 1: bit this season on the podcast, but there's been such
Speaker 1: growth with you as individuals. As a viewer, it's apparent Tori,
Speaker 1: you've talked about the emphasis of really taking time and
Speaker 1: creating space for your own emotional wellbeing and your mental health.
Speaker 1: And Devin you've been seen as you know, the jokester,
Speaker 1: you know, the smart one. You came out with a
Speaker 1: banana hammock one season, like all sorts of things. But
Speaker 1: I feel like we still saw the jokes are on
Speaker 1: the fun side, but like when time's got tough, like
Speaker 1: the way you guys united as a team and supported
Speaker 1: one another, just spoke volumes about I don't know how
Speaker 1: you guys handle your relationships and as individuals. Is there
Speaker 1: anything like watching it back? Do you at least see
Speaker 1: some of that growth? Definitely? I mean I think that
Speaker 1: that's the reason why. And I was saying this while
Speaker 1: we were there, like we wanted the win, but like
Speaker 1: I think the wind was like, okay, we're ready to
Speaker 1: want you back. I think, at least for me personally,
Speaker 1: it took so much growth to be like accepting of myself.
Speaker 1: And then finally, like when you are faced with these
Speaker 1: like ridiculous obstacles that you have to do, like that
Speaker 1: elimination at the end that took six hours, Like you
Speaker 1: have to stay calm and be prepared to do that.
Speaker 1: And after you've kind of like faced yourself in a way,
Speaker 1: you kind of trust that you can get through anything
Speaker 1: on the outside. As corny as it sounds, it's just
Speaker 1: the most true thing. And I think that being chance
Speaker 1: is proof of that. But like also it takes luck,
Speaker 1: so I think it's a combination of luck and then
Speaker 1: hard work. Yeah, it's like I went so hard in
Speaker 1: the offseasons, so that like one thing that I haven't
Speaker 1: really shared I guess publicly, is like the mental beating
Speaker 1: that that final in Spies, Lies and Allies put on
Speaker 1: me because I was like heavy in the lead in
Speaker 1: the first portion of that and then our team won
Speaker 1: every checkpoint and to lose because I couldn't get my
Speaker 1: ass up a hill was like I was like, bro,
Speaker 1: you you a talk a lot of shit. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: so yes, and you're kind of fucking up uh And
Speaker 1: and be like if you actually you claim to show
Speaker 1: up every season and want to win, but you're not
Speaker 1: putting your body in a position to be able to win.
Speaker 1: And it was like a really hard realization that I
Speaker 1: had to make. And so I do see what you're
Speaker 1: saying about growth in that sense for sure, Like I
Speaker 1: feel that that way myself. Um, it was just more
Speaker 1: for me. It was like oftentimes I think people look
Speaker 1: in the mirror and they see what they want to
Speaker 1: see instead of what's actually there. And a lot of
Speaker 1: people live in like a self delusion, and in realizing
Speaker 1: and being self aware on the things that you need
Speaker 1: to work on isn't like a bad thing. It's actually
Speaker 1: the best thing you can do. And so that that
Speaker 1: was like that loss hurt so bad that I never
Speaker 1: I was like, I will never feel that way again,
Speaker 1: And just ran and ran and ran, and ran and ran,
Speaker 1: and it sucks. I hate running. It's stupid. If you
Speaker 1: get runners high. If you like running, I hate you.
Speaker 1: You're on the list. But it's just you just sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to do the things that you don't like
Speaker 1: to do. And I'm willing to do the things that
Speaker 1: I'm not good at and at so story and I
Speaker 1: think that's truly what separates us, says Challengers, is a
Speaker 1: lot of people want the things that they're good at
Speaker 1: to be what you need to have to win, right
Speaker 1: and and so they they're trying to force it. They're
Speaker 1: trying to cram around tagging a square hole and just
Speaker 1: be like, I can you know, do this with brute
Speaker 1: strength or I can do this just with endurance or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you have to work on your weaknesses.
Speaker 1: If half these kids just went on Amazon in order
Speaker 1: a fucking remedial math book, they would be I swear,
Speaker 1: I've said it in several episodes. Half the cast doesn't
Speaker 1: know how to divide by two. And that is not
Speaker 1: That is a solvable problem everybody. That is a solvable scenario. So,
Speaker 1: speaking of I mean you, the way that you work
Speaker 1: strategically and sort of just solving you know, puzzles and
Speaker 1: things and just and the way you're methodical and you
Speaker 1: maintain a level of calm about it while you were
Speaker 1: doing all this running in the offseason to prepare yourself
Speaker 1: for this season. Are there like activities that you kind
Speaker 1: of practice to maintain your mental agility? Is this just
Speaker 1: you know, I'd have to think some of it is
Speaker 1: just a natural skill. But are the things that you
Speaker 1: do to kind of sharpen your mind so that you're
Speaker 1: ready for any of these you know, sort of curveballs
Speaker 1: that TJ throw. Yeah. Absolutely, Like I can't stress enough,
Speaker 1: how seriously I took in training to lead up to
Speaker 1: this and oftentimes, and I believe this like wholeheartedly. You
Speaker 1: have to train in the way that you're going to compete.
Speaker 1: So like if I'm in the gym or if I'm running,
Speaker 1: I don't have headphones right because I'm not going to
Speaker 1: have headphones in the challenge. Like a lot of people, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people put themselves in positions like yeah,
Speaker 1: of course it's easy. You got in one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty beats per minute. Someone screaming like like motivation in
Speaker 1: your ear. You're gonna be, But where's it at when
Speaker 1: that's not there, When the only voice in your head
Speaker 1: is your own internal monologue, where are you at that?
Speaker 1: And if I do listen to something, it's like an
Speaker 1: educational podcast, which is interesting, but yeah, but that's like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I do, like I have. I ordered a bunch
Speaker 1: of little puzzles on Amazon. And like when I'm at
Speaker 1: the gym, when I'm in my like breaks or whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm doing like a little pocket tanagram. People must think
Speaker 1: I'm fucking nuts. I'm at water aerobics doing pocket tanagrams
Speaker 1: outside the pool. They're in the brakes. It's like it's
Speaker 1: it's a lot that is so smart, Devin, that's like
Speaker 1: so good though, that's like literally such a brilliant, brilliant
Speaker 1: I get Okay, let's break down some of this final
Speaker 1: So it is the law we had imour on last week.
Speaker 1: God love her. She's also nuts because she came up
Speaker 1: with this. But when you heard it was going to
Speaker 1: be one hundred hours, like, think back to that quick moment,
Speaker 1: what was your initial thought? Each of you? Honest of course,
Speaker 1: when you're one hundred hours, it's like a daunting like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, endless work But then the thing about finals,
Speaker 1: which I think is always difficult, is to pace yourself.
Speaker 1: You need to know kind of start an end time
Speaker 1: because you need to know how you have energy for.
Speaker 1: So it was actually kind of a blessing to know
Speaker 1: one hundred hours because then you knew the finish line.
Speaker 1: And I think it actually made it mentally easier. Like
Speaker 1: if they would have just said you're going to be
Speaker 1: going for days, that would have been like a different
Speaker 1: type of nervous experience, and who knows how we would
Speaker 1: have performed. I mean, I just know, like when I'm
Speaker 1: doing anything, I like to start in a finish so
Speaker 1: same it was easy to wrap my mind around it.
Speaker 1: I would say too about death. So like I knew
Speaker 1: right off the rip when they when they said one
Speaker 1: hundred hours, Like, I have so much confidence in Tori.
Speaker 1: She's just a like outstanding athlete and in a really
Speaker 1: driven person. I knew she wasn't going to quit. So
Speaker 1: I felt like when they said that, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: advantage us for sure, right, because we're never going to
Speaker 1: We may have like moments where like brief moments where
Speaker 1: we yelled at each other in the moment or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it's immediate, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and Van Hoggin
Speaker 1: we're good like right like right away, And so I
Speaker 1: mean we had seen Olivian Harassio struggle in the mini
Speaker 1: final with communication. Obviously, Jordan and Anisa weren't setting any
Speaker 1: precedents for a couple of communication goals and Nani and
Speaker 1: Bananas I just felt I just felt like we had
Speaker 1: an even an edge on them in communication, just based
Speaker 1: off of um like everything, the pressure. I felt like
Speaker 1: it was a lot of pressure for them to get
Speaker 1: Nannie her first win. And I think Bananas was putting
Speaker 1: I'd had conversations with him about this, that he was
Speaker 1: putting a lot of pressure of like being for lack
Speaker 1: of a better term than knight in shining armor that
Speaker 1: shows up and like helps her get her win. And
Speaker 1: so I thought, just mentally, we were in the best place.
Speaker 1: And Jordan has said this several times before, and I
Speaker 1: full will hardily agree with it. Now that I can
Speaker 1: run more than a mile without a shitting. My dants
Speaker 1: the herder the heart of the better, like itham out
Speaker 1: weedham out, like let's see who really, Let's see how
Speaker 1: bad you want it, because I guarantee you you don't
Speaker 1: want it more than even one of us. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Tori. I think knowing hearing you articulated
Speaker 1: like that, it's a really good point that at least
Speaker 1: knowing the start and finish in your mind, even though
Speaker 1: you guys don't have like clocks and watches and all
Speaker 1: of that, you can kind of be like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're checked almost like the checkpoints, right. Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: The sort of knowing, Devin, your calm under pressure is remarkable,
Speaker 1: and you doing these tan graves while on the treadmill
Speaker 1: and all these other things I think paints a picture
Speaker 1: of why some of that may be. But what else
Speaker 1: do you think allows you to remain calm under pressure?
Speaker 1: And have you always been like that or where do
Speaker 1: you think that comes from? Yes? Shout out to my mom.
Speaker 1: She is an absolute legend and total warrior. Really, like
Speaker 1: truly everyone says this about their mom, but like truly
Speaker 1: the best and strongest person I've ever known. She had
Speaker 1: a really difficult life and she just like classic I
Speaker 1: will not let this defeat me mentality. But she's really
Speaker 1: into holistic healing, or was when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: I mean she still is. But so she was doing
Speaker 1: raiki for a while, and like I had severe ADHD
Speaker 1: as a kid, but my parents didn't really believe in
Speaker 1: like putting me on speed, so she so she would
Speaker 1: do like reiki on me before I went to school.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if anyone's familiar with raiky, but
Speaker 1: it does require you to kind of like sit there
Speaker 1: and be calm, and so I think it was just
Speaker 1: ingrained in me from an early age that like I
Speaker 1: to to try to calm my mind. And because of
Speaker 1: that practice, and like what I do with cold exposure therapy,
Speaker 1: when you're in the heightened like state, the best thing
Speaker 1: to do is remain calm. And so, like what I
Speaker 1: to answer the question briefly, I think for like fifteen years,
Speaker 1: the first fifteen years of my life, I was like
Speaker 1: in a mode of panic. So my baseline for panic
Speaker 1: is just like super is way lower. When I get
Speaker 1: in that mode, I just have so many things that
Speaker 1: I've Like maybe for some other people that would be triggering,
Speaker 1: but for me, it feels like almost a sense of relief, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm I was born here, Like I get it, Like
Speaker 1: I can do this, no problem. Was born in the darkness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like I was like a wild fucking kid,
Speaker 1: like pretty bad, got expelled from three schools, like it
Speaker 1: was pretty bad. Yeah yeah, say I feel like this
Speaker 1: is not that shocking, Yeah yeah, which is why it's
Speaker 1: so amazing to see your growth like this, Devan, like
Speaker 1: where you are. Um now for those who aren't familiar,
Speaker 1: and then we'll talk a little bit more about this episode.
Speaker 1: Cold exposure therapy can you give people who don't know
Speaker 1: a little bit like what exactly that is? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I have to do another shout out to my main man,
Speaker 1: Sam Whiting, who's a certified Whimpoff instructor, and he got
Speaker 1: me into cold exposure therapy like three or four years ago.
Speaker 1: And the concept is to do exactly as it says
Speaker 1: in the title, which is exposed yourself to the cold
Speaker 1: and oftentimes so like the easiest way for us to
Speaker 1: do that, natural cold exposures is personally my favorite because like,
Speaker 1: if you're out there in nature, it's really cool. So
Speaker 1: we go in the river in the winter November to
Speaker 1: probably April in the temperatures at that time can vary
Speaker 1: anywhere from like fifty five down to you know, thirty
Speaker 1: two degrees moving obviously water freeze at thirty two, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't if it's moving. So we've had a couple
Speaker 1: thirty one degree dips. But the idea there is that
Speaker 1: you're really fucking cold. Obviously cold, no one's gonna say
Speaker 1: you're not cold, but in that fight or flight moment
Speaker 1: and you settle in, and can you send the energy
Speaker 1: that you've built, that you have stored in your body
Speaker 1: to your extremities so that you don't get literally frost bitted.
Speaker 1: So it's just a practice of sending energy out to
Speaker 1: the places that need it. And so where that translates
Speaker 1: kind of as a metaphor, is if you're in a
Speaker 1: state of panic, you need to send your energy to
Speaker 1: your brain to calm down. A lot of people get flustered,
Speaker 1: and you'll see sometimes that's why people get like red
Speaker 1: faced or flushed or whatever, because blood is rushing to
Speaker 1: their head because they trying to think of something to do.
Speaker 1: It's like the worst thing you can do is panic,
Speaker 1: and in the cold, if you panic, you're fuck. You
Speaker 1: have to stay calm and you have to just control
Speaker 1: your breathing and kind of manage your energy output. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like regulating your nervous system. It's like an
Speaker 1: exercise in working how to regulate your nervous system, which
Speaker 1: explains we talked about this a few episodes ago. But
Speaker 1: when you guys did that puzzle that where you had
Speaker 1: to meet in the ice bath, you know, to like
Speaker 1: exchange information, and I literally said, how the hell or
Speaker 1: Tory and Devin sitting there like they are chilling on
Speaker 1: the front portion of the lawn like you guys seemed
Speaker 1: not blustered at all. I was like, I mean, yeah, well, now, like,
Speaker 1: so you have these Jedi like powers basically, like you
Speaker 1: play it like this cool chill guy. You're like, ah, whatever,
Speaker 1: like let's go to the bar. Really you are training
Speaker 1: like the next karate kid on the back end, and
Speaker 1: then you get paired with your bestie for life, and
Speaker 1: then it makes sense that you guys dominate. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: talk about where we picked up in this episode of
Speaker 1: the final So you see the helicopters, all right, and
Speaker 1: you have the chalk bomb challenge. How are you guys
Speaker 1: going into that day knowing that you no longer have
Speaker 1: the lead? And then when you see what you're going
Speaker 1: to be doing, how are you guys feeling about it
Speaker 1: in that moment? Definitely nervous. I mean, we had had
Speaker 1: a lead up until the Spaghetti and that was kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh, like, that's a shitty place to lose
Speaker 1: a lead because you don't go home and try to
Speaker 1: shove an olive Garden menu in your mouth and time in.
Speaker 1: You don't train for that stuff. And we didn't know
Speaker 1: we were going to be up against Little Spaghetti. I mean,
Speaker 1: is nanny. That's her hip hop name is Little Spaghetti
Speaker 1: and she I mean she threw up in Banana's pocket
Speaker 1: and kept going. So it was like, Dad Cheese were incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we weren't winning that one. That was no one was
Speaker 1: going to beat them. They were so good at but brilliant.
Speaker 1: When you guys melted the ice cream, by the way,
Speaker 1: I saw you guys, like, but it looked like you guys,
Speaker 1: did you because when they cut to the episode, so
Speaker 1: Nanni was the one stirring it, right, and I saw
Speaker 1: her say like, don't try and steal my idea because
Speaker 1: you're cute. But then when you guys did it literally
Speaker 1: looked like chocolate milk. When did you hold it near
Speaker 1: the fire or something and started pouring water in it?
Speaker 1: So instead of just stirring it basic you added water
Speaker 1: to it just to like truly make it more of
Speaker 1: a milkshake. Yeah, that makes sense. Was it nasty? Oh?
Speaker 1: But that part, I mean like at that point everything
Speaker 1: was it was just it was just about fitting it in.
Speaker 1: It tastes great, So like the throw up after it
Speaker 1: was delicious. That Yeah, I forgot about that for a
Speaker 1: strown up for like three days, like little tiny, little
Speaker 1: like chocolate milk throw up, and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that is wild, absolutely wild. Yeah, okay, so back to
Speaker 1: the chop bomb. You guys are getting ready to get
Speaker 1: on this helicopter. Yeah, you end up and crushing it.
Speaker 1: But it seemed like people really struggled. What do you
Speaker 1: think was the hardest part of that particular checkpoint. Devin
Speaker 1: was literally doing a trigonometry up there, so he was
Speaker 1: solving the like he was figuring out when to throw
Speaker 1: it based off of the speed that we were arriving.
Speaker 1: I'm just over there kind of like doing my best,
Speaker 1: and I think I think that, like that's something about Devin,
Speaker 1: Like this is where people will never be able to
Speaker 1: sleep on him again, and they probably should have never
Speaker 1: in the past. You have to have a brain like that.
Speaker 1: You can train it. Yeah, sure, but Devin naturally does
Speaker 1: have a brain where he can walk up to anything
Speaker 1: and like figure out a way to figure it out.
Speaker 1: So he was just he absolutely dominated that part and
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have won it without him. I think it
Speaker 1: only made two. He made like eight. This is a
Speaker 1: point and we can totally cut it out, Dev if
Speaker 1: you want to. But something that's interesting that you called
Speaker 1: out because you are like just brilliant in so many
Speaker 1: ways of this. And you mentioned that as a kid
Speaker 1: you had ADHD. Right, I have ADHD. I think you
Speaker 1: always have it. I think it's like being an alcoholic. Well, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: it's like being an alcoholic, but yes, you do. You
Speaker 1: always have it. But it's a form of neurodivergence, meaning
Speaker 1: your brain literally does think differently and solve differently. And
Speaker 1: while people sometimes think that ADHD is and like a disability,
Speaker 1: it's actually when you can channel it a superpower because
Speaker 1: it allows you to think. I mean that's literally what
Speaker 1: neurodivergence is is thinking differently than others. And episode after
Speaker 1: episode this season, and especially in this episode in the
Speaker 1: final we see how everyone else is reacting rightfully, so
Speaker 1: to stress, all these random things thrown at you. You know,
Speaker 1: your brain has to be solving twelve things at a time,
Speaker 1: and yet your brain is able to just be like Nope, okay,
Speaker 1: this and then this and then this and then this,
Speaker 1: And I dare say, I look, I am no psychiatrist,
Speaker 1: but I dare say that that is a part of
Speaker 1: your ability to channel that ADHD and that neurodivergence has
Speaker 1: made you a rock star in that way, Like you've
Speaker 1: been so proactive in it in a way that I
Speaker 1: don't think can necessarily be taught and really is a superpower,
Speaker 1: which is so cool. So anyone listening who maybe has
Speaker 1: add or ADHD, hi, welcome to the club. But also
Speaker 1: just know that like, look, look, you could be like
Speaker 1: a Devin in that way and problem solving m if
Speaker 1: you really channel it, because I should be the model
Speaker 1: of anybody's child. Okay, maybe that is a child and
Speaker 1: not not the bar part, but certainly in your ability
Speaker 1: though to problems like a hands down, that's a really
Speaker 1: nice your ability problem solved than your ability to communicate
Speaker 1: dev like you know, like the first time we ever
Speaker 1: did aftermaths, you were wild and U seeing you really
Speaker 1: just kind of like a girl in this space has
Speaker 1: been really just fascinating. So back to the bomb, you
Speaker 1: doing the math and sort of telling Tory like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you gotta do it ahead of time, you know, beforehand
Speaker 1: to land on it. After you guys get back down
Speaker 1: and you're watching the other teams, did you have a
Speaker 1: strong sense that you would hit more targets or was
Speaker 1: it too hard to track in real time when you
Speaker 1: were on the ground. I say this in the episode,
Speaker 1: and I was very surprised at a no offense Tunisa.
Speaker 1: I thought Jordan was going to throw all fifteen in
Speaker 1: those if I'm if I'm a coach and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at this, I mean, I get it. Everyone wants to
Speaker 1: give it a go. Um. I thought he was throwing
Speaker 1: all fifteen. I was shocked that he didn't pick this
Speaker 1: up because he's very he is like we are like
Speaker 1: minded in the sense that typically you watched Jordan not
Speaker 1: make the same mistake twice in a physical event. He's
Speaker 1: very good at adjusting his strategy on the fly, and
Speaker 1: he's very good at burying his ego in the in
Speaker 1: game time and being like this did not work. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to keep smashing my head against the wall.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna switch at his strategy, so I was very
Speaker 1: surprised that he didn't get he didn't catch on faster.
Speaker 1: He got it towards the end, but I thought I
Speaker 1: thought he was going to murder it. I mean we
Speaker 1: came down and we were like, I think we thought
Speaker 1: we got eleven, so there must have been one on
Speaker 1: there that was close, and I thought that was I
Speaker 1: was like a pretty good estimator. I'm like that if
Speaker 1: someone beats that, they're not going to beat it by much,
Speaker 1: because you know, Jordan would have to go I mean,
Speaker 1: he would have had to shoot seventy percent from a
Speaker 1: helicopter if he shot Alli, if he did all fifteen.
Speaker 1: But I thought Nanni and Banana's got a good shot
Speaker 1: because he's he's a sneaky good gamer. So I was
Speaker 1: just hoping it wasn't enough. And it was like that,
Speaker 1: what seems what I'm learning kind of in this conversation too,
Speaker 1: which is probably something I should have recognized a long
Speaker 1: time ago, is like, my what I consider common sense
Speaker 1: is isn't for other people, and vice versa, and yeah,
Speaker 1: vice versa. Like the way my brain processes things is
Speaker 1: just I'm just like, oh duh, Like I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: think about trying to do it a different way. I
Speaker 1: would just do it that way. But there's there's stuff
Speaker 1: that I'm really bad at that other people like comes
Speaker 1: to them, you know, like second nature. Which again I
Speaker 1: think that's one of the reasons why our dynamic as
Speaker 1: a team was so effective, is because we actually do
Speaker 1: think very differently. And there's moments throughout this final where
Speaker 1: you see that when Tory recognizes the pattern in yes,
Speaker 1: the puzzle, like I would have never seen. I was
Speaker 1: shocked at myself that I didn't recognize that. I'm usually
Speaker 1: like patterned guy I'm seeing I mean, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the tiles to see if any of them have the
Speaker 1: same like, you know, structure to them. So it was
Speaker 1: like that it just that when I say serendipitous, and
Speaker 1: like it kind of felt almost like fate in a
Speaker 1: sense at how well the two of us match, Our
Speaker 1: skill sets matched up, and we filled in each other's weaknesses.
Speaker 1: And so the helicopter thing, obviously that was like a
Speaker 1: strength of mind. And we did the similar thing that
Speaker 1: a niece and Jordan did where I think like halfway
Speaker 1: through you were like, no, you got to throw these
Speaker 1: other ones. Yeah, So that's another thing like, it's just
Speaker 1: like that those little micro details of just doing it
Speaker 1: for the win instead of like, oh this is about me,
Speaker 1: It's like who gives us the best chance at this
Speaker 1: We were both willing to take a backseat at certain
Speaker 1: points if the other person had a better opportunity. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I love this, but some of us didn't get thirty
Speaker 1: eight thou dollars given to us, So we gotta pay
Speaker 1: some bills real quick. We're going to take a quick
Speaker 1: commercial break. We'll be right back after this. Now you
Speaker 1: get to this corn maze, did it feel haunting because
Speaker 1: it looks scary as hell for a brief moment, did
Speaker 1: you feel like there were spirits in there, like a
Speaker 1: scarecrow was going to jump out at you or you
Speaker 1: got you gotta tell them how badly we thought we
Speaker 1: fucked this up? Okay, yeah, okay, so this is this
Speaker 1: was nuts and this was not in the episode and
Speaker 1: we were yeah, so as we obviously for the record,
Speaker 1: this final is taking every twist in turn you can imagine.
Speaker 1: And I just want everybody to remember that at this point,
Speaker 1: we are on like four days of the final now,
Speaker 1: and you don't know what's coming up your way. So
Speaker 1: when you arrive to a corn field, and like, we
Speaker 1: obviously have a quick stopdown where we have to put
Speaker 1: on this new gear because it lights up. You just
Speaker 1: this whole attitude change starts to happen in your life.
Speaker 1: You're just kind of going with the flow of whatever's
Speaker 1: being thrown at you. But when we come up to
Speaker 1: the cornways, there's two keys on one side and then
Speaker 1: one key on the other side, and we get there first,
Speaker 1: and so now we have to choose are we going
Speaker 1: to go right or are we going to go left?
Speaker 1: And so hold on, Devin's like, hold on, okay, what
Speaker 1: in my last phone call? I called my mom and
Speaker 1: I asked her because I thought I was gonna have
Speaker 1: to pick daggers again, and I knew there was only
Speaker 1: a few guys left, so I assumed that there would
Speaker 1: only be two options, and so I asked her, if ever,
Speaker 1: I have to come to a situation and I need
Speaker 1: to pick left or right, which way should I go?
Speaker 1: And she said, well, I'm a lefty, so go left.
Speaker 1: So we decide to go left. We take the key.
Speaker 1: Obviously there's two keys on the left side, there's one
Speaker 1: key on the right side, So like we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: whoever gets here first would probably pick the right key,
Speaker 1: because there's one there, so you would assume, but Devin says,
Speaker 1: pick left. My mom's left handed, so we take the
Speaker 1: left key. We go. We arrive a couple moments later.
Speaker 1: That's when Nanny and Bananas arrive, and then we realize
Speaker 1: Anissa and Jordan are at another camp. We can't see them,
Speaker 1: so we're like, oh my god, what if they got
Speaker 1: like an air mattress and like that that was the
Speaker 1: gift for arriving there. We thought that that giant structure
Speaker 1: with all the lights was like their little penthouse, and
Speaker 1: they were. When you see Tory sitting on the cot
Speaker 1: in this episode, she's like stewing. She's like, your stupid moms,
Speaker 1: sorry pepperoni sandwich. I was like, what all love to
Speaker 1: your mom? Because it works out, and I want to
Speaker 1: explain why it works out. So then we get released
Speaker 1: a second time to then go into the maze and
Speaker 1: TJ's like, find your way, and then that's when Devin says,
Speaker 1: so I had already pretty much roamed him out for
Speaker 1: making us go left, and he's like, I'm like, which
Speaker 1: way do we go now? And he's like that's on you.
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, all right, well we went left
Speaker 1: last time, so that's why you heard me say all right,
Speaker 1: let's go right. And actually our path, the path we
Speaker 1: chose was the direct path to t J. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: were there, I'm not kidding, five minutes earlier than the
Speaker 1: other teams. We got. Wow, we had the direct path there.
Speaker 1: And the only reason why I picked right was because
Speaker 1: we picked left first. Obviously the whole thing was important
Speaker 1: because so technically Devin's momp of this season, she just
Speaker 1: set it up. She wanted you guys to do a
Speaker 1: little work for it. And I take her. I take
Speaker 1: her to the corn maze. One of the like we'd
Speaker 1: like to go on like dates, like daughter daughter son
Speaker 1: mom daughter dates, and so one of the places that
Speaker 1: we go is to a corn maze. Every fall, we
Speaker 1: go to a corn maze, Mike's maze, and we do
Speaker 1: the corn maze together and there's like little riddles in
Speaker 1: there and we get a fucking donut. So you really
Speaker 1: were just built for this season. I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: we walked into the we walked into the corn maze,
Speaker 1: and I was like, uh, check please right, Like he
Speaker 1: does like literally everything weird that was thrown at you
Speaker 1: this season. You're like, oh, yeah, no, I do that
Speaker 1: at the treadmill, like I do that regularly. We go
Speaker 1: to the coremates like my god, like, yeah, brilliant, that's
Speaker 1: so great. Well. Shout out to Devin's mom for ultimately
Speaker 1: securing the win this season. When you guys found out
Speaker 1: like this whole time that you're running the final, did
Speaker 1: it ever cross your mind that there would be another
Speaker 1: elimination at some point before actually reaching the very end? Devin,
Speaker 1: You're shaking your head, No, so you didn't think that
Speaker 1: there would be another I was so shook, and like,
Speaker 1: if if I ever play this game again and I
Speaker 1: think something, I'm just going to tell myself to shut
Speaker 1: up because I was. I was all for fifty in
Speaker 1: my plots, and I thought for sure it was, you know,
Speaker 1: going to be a race as most others are. And
Speaker 1: I just made an assumption like an idiot, and it
Speaker 1: was wrong again. And we have to assume, right, I
Speaker 1: don't know if this has been confirmed or not. We
Speaker 1: have to assume there was going to be another eliminate
Speaker 1: nation there was, it was confirmed. Less episode it okay
Speaker 1: because Olivia and Harassio are supposed to be there, by
Speaker 1: the way, in this last moment there with the cinder
Speaker 1: blocks and the chains and everything, they had the best chance.
Speaker 1: Olivia and Harassio had the best chance in retrospect, they
Speaker 1: had the best chance of beating us in the in
Speaker 1: that they had gotten there with us, They would have
Speaker 1: beat Nannie and Bananas only because I know Harassio would
Speaker 1: have methodically made that puzzle and he never never would
Speaker 1: have stopped. He would have fucking killed himself before he stopped,
Speaker 1: so he would have in Olivia. Obviously, we've seen Olivia's
Speaker 1: gas tank and her and her drive to continue on.
Speaker 1: So if they had messed that up, they would have
Speaker 1: undone it and did it again. So the sabotage, although
Speaker 1: I feel badly that we broke her face in five places,
Speaker 1: I mean serious, it was the best chance. I can't
Speaker 1: believe you guys did that? Did you? Guys? Were you
Speaker 1: shocked when Nanny? Because you know, on this show we
Speaker 1: talk about quitting a lot, right, and like you know
Speaker 1: how challengers never quit, And in this season especially, we
Speaker 1: saw many moments of Ultimate Warriors really wanting to fight through.
Speaker 1: I mean, Olivia was still trying to strategize while her
Speaker 1: behind was in the back of an ambulance. Anissa, you know,
Speaker 1: was crying out in pain. But what was like, give
Speaker 1: me the ball? And TJ was like, should we give
Speaker 1: her the ball? We see all of that and to
Speaker 1: see Nannie and Bananas just stop, well was really interesting.
Speaker 1: So what can you tell us around the timing of
Speaker 1: you know, was it even feasible? And then also what
Speaker 1: you think you would have done, each of you if
Speaker 1: the roles were reversed. Okay, well let's just put it
Speaker 1: into perspective like this. That whole elimination actually took five
Speaker 1: and a half hours. That entire thing. Each room took
Speaker 1: about aside from the spears in the beginning that was
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. Every room after that was at least an
Speaker 1: hour to an hour and a half. So, wow, that's
Speaker 1: how much time it took. They were stuck on the
Speaker 1: cinder blocks for so long. They were probably an hour
Speaker 1: behind us at one point, and not only that, they
Speaker 1: buried a crucial piece, So there were certain little things.
Speaker 1: I don't think that they quit. I think that they
Speaker 1: literally hit a point where they're an hour and a
Speaker 1: half behind us. What are there? What are they going
Speaker 1: to do? Yeah, it was Also, we didn't know how
Speaker 1: this is how mentally like confusing this game is. Our
Speaker 1: friends are over there, right, Anissa Jordan. I mean at
Speaker 1: this point living in Rassio, were much closer with us
Speaker 1: than they were with Banza Nani, and they're telling us
Speaker 1: were in the change room and they're telling us like no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, guys, like you can chill. They're still in
Speaker 1: the cinder blocks. And in my mind I'm like, oh no,
Speaker 1: they're lying this. They're lying to us, trying to get
Speaker 1: us to slow down. Like it's so the paranoia that
Speaker 1: crept in in that moment was crazy because we couldn't
Speaker 1: see them. We were in there once. Once we got
Speaker 1: in there. Also, I think I still have dirt in orifices.
Speaker 1: I'd imagine it was. It was everywhere, the dirt. The
Speaker 1: dirt was probably the one of the harder things I've done.
Speaker 1: And that was a big risk too, because we could
Speaker 1: have got buried in there. Watching it back, like seeing
Speaker 1: how that whole section was what ten minutes of the
Speaker 1: ten fifteen minutes of the final it took five and
Speaker 1: a half hours in real life. I just want to
Speaker 1: stress how hard that was. In the airport on the
Speaker 1: way home, I could not even close my hands because
Speaker 1: of how hard it was to pull the chain out,
Speaker 1: and you just like shredded your hands. I had bruises
Speaker 1: all of like, this was like the very hard. We
Speaker 1: don't believe you. You guys made it look so easy. Also,
Speaker 1: can I say at a portion in the final I
Speaker 1: talked about this last week after hour fifty, Okay, everybody's
Speaker 1: coming out. Clearly you guys haven't like really washed or whatever.
Speaker 1: You step out of your tent tory looking like a
Speaker 1: Revlon Ad. Okay, your hair was silky and shiny, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my hair barely looks that good
Speaker 1: when I've just gotten to blow out. How does stories
Speaker 1: step out? And literally it was like flowing and brushed.
Speaker 1: I'm like, where in what world? And how? I'm obviously
Speaker 1: kidding and we believe you that it was five and
Speaker 1: a half hours in a hard but you guys really
Speaker 1: did both in keeping your composure and your communication and
Speaker 1: being just so tenacious. As Young Dagger liked to say
Speaker 1: in a lot of his interviews, that you guys made
Speaker 1: it look I don't want to say easy, but you
Speaker 1: just did it with such like swagger and grace that
Speaker 1: made it easy. For an armchair quarterback to watch on
Speaker 1: and be like, Oh, that looks fun. You know I
Speaker 1: could do that. Yeah, that was I want to speak
Speaker 1: just to that point real quick, because I think it's
Speaker 1: really important to say this. There's I think that there's
Speaker 1: moments throughout this whole season when you have to rely
Speaker 1: on your partner for like a boost, like like literally
Speaker 1: like getting a mushroom in Mario, like you need like
Speaker 1: an injection of something, whatever it is, and over and
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. Tory had that for
Speaker 1: me constantly throughout the entire game, and it doesn't show.
Speaker 1: I was. I was surprised that it didn't show in
Speaker 1: this episode like her I don't know how to you're
Speaker 1: like motivating me throughout that the final two rooms, because
Speaker 1: there's like that It's come to a point where it's
Speaker 1: like I started to wonder after even after preparing the
Speaker 1: way that I prepared for this final I was like,
Speaker 1: how much gas do I have in the tank? And
Speaker 1: even before I would even like verbalize or right when,
Speaker 1: like the timing of her consistent motivation was like spot on.
Speaker 1: It was like if a thought started creeping in my head,
Speaker 1: It's like she was SYNCD up and was like nope,
Speaker 1: fuck that thought go. Yeah. It was like over and
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. So it's like, I think,
Speaker 1: if someone were to go back and watch this season
Speaker 1: knowing the outcome and how all the eliminations play out,
Speaker 1: the teams that had that X factor. We saw Nelson
Speaker 1: and the Res I think they had it yea often.
Speaker 1: I think Jay Michelle had it often. See Mariah for sure.
Speaker 1: Mariah had a kidding I think like in the beginning
Speaker 1: when they won. But yeah, obviously that not later in
Speaker 1: the season. That X factor is what separated the teams
Speaker 1: that I firmly believe that is like it was the
Speaker 1: pairs that that really valued each other as equals that
Speaker 1: as you go back and watch, this really dominated the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh thank you, Dave. I definitely feel it when we
Speaker 1: were in there, like especially digging through the stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was endless you're doing it, But our motive was
Speaker 1: slow motion is better than no motion. Yeah, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we were just like even if it's slow, we don't stop.
Speaker 1: We don't stop. And five and a half hours later,
Speaker 1: you know it was over. And that's my motto in
Speaker 1: the bedroom too, So that's kind of sexy. There we
Speaker 1: go slow matter, slow motions better than no motion. Um
Speaker 1: something love that so much? Um? So what do you
Speaker 1: think of God? What do you think? Oh? What were
Speaker 1: your biggest surprises for each of you? Like, what would
Speaker 1: be one thing that surprised you guys most from this season?
Speaker 1: And then who would be a team that surprised each
Speaker 1: of you the most this season? The team that surprised
Speaker 1: me the most probably Olive, you and Arassio, because I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: what a fucking season. Right like the moment they walked up,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, like a pretty Barbie. We're all like
Speaker 1: blond hair, like beautiful, big eyelashes were just and then
Speaker 1: like he looks like not you underestimating Barbie? Yeah? She
Speaker 1: had every time. Underestimated Barbie big time. She had every
Speaker 1: job in the book. Well rounded. Yeah, So definitely they
Speaker 1: surprised me most. And then I guess what surprised me
Speaker 1: more than that was like, and I think Devin kind
Speaker 1: of mentioned this before, is like, I you can't really
Speaker 1: explain when you feel like something is meant for you,
Speaker 1: Like when we were there, even going up to the final,
Speaker 1: like I just knew we were going to win, and
Speaker 1: I didn't It's not like this cocky feeling. It's just
Speaker 1: this like there's something inside me that truly believes it.
Speaker 1: And I think that really surprised me, Like that confidence
Speaker 1: and that calm, which I don't experience ever. I never
Speaker 1: experienced it in another final before, so I think that
Speaker 1: is what really took me by surprise. I think there
Speaker 1: is a moment internally when you know you're about to
Speaker 1: accept a big win. Maybe your body knows before you
Speaker 1: get it. And I think I felt that and that
Speaker 1: was really cool. Yeah, you guys, we could see that calm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They call it a flow state state where it's like
Speaker 1: it's like Steph Curry pulls up from forty feet and
Speaker 1: like shoots it turns around before the ball even goes in,
Speaker 1: and he knows it's already in. I did. I felt
Speaker 1: that way a little bit. I felt like Curry pulling
Speaker 1: up from forty I was like, no one, No one
Speaker 1: can guard me today. But like Patrick Mahomes does most weeks,
Speaker 1: I can fire. It hurts though well tread lightly. Ladies,
Speaker 1: this interview will hear one of you is going to
Speaker 1: be a big time loser when this comes out. That's
Speaker 1: why I said, most days That's why I said most
Speaker 1: days just to clarify and cover my tracks just in case.
Speaker 1: But that's yeah, that I can you guys, that that
Speaker 1: calm I feel like was sort of palpable and watching
Speaker 1: you all throughout the season, Tory, We've talked about the
Speaker 1: emotional roller coaster you went on, right, you know, you
Speaker 1: went from Terrorists of Love to challenge champion and what
Speaker 1: do you feel I've called my dog terrist of Love
Speaker 1: actually though, like last few weeks because of you. But
Speaker 1: you know, how does that play into your feelings about
Speaker 1: this season overall? Is there anything you would change looking
Speaker 1: back on it? Do you feel like that made the
Speaker 1: win even sweeter? We see you hugging Jordan, or at
Speaker 1: least Jordan's a bear hugging you right after you one.
Speaker 1: You know, how does that all feel given that you've
Speaker 1: gone through I think probably more than a lot of
Speaker 1: the challengers this particular season, just given the circumstance with Jordan,
Speaker 1: you know, your ex fiance being in the house. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: first of all, very thankful to have Devin by my
Speaker 1: side the entire time and be for him to be
Speaker 1: as like open minded SU was about it, because I
Speaker 1: know I was a lot sometimes, but he was always
Speaker 1: like a good person to talk to about it, so
Speaker 1: it was very supportive through the process. I definitely just
Speaker 1: feel like I wouldn't change a thing because, and Devin
Speaker 1: has said this before, if you win, then every little
Speaker 1: thing that you've done that season led up to that win.
Speaker 1: Then you can't change one thing because you don't know
Speaker 1: how it would affect later things. And if the outcome
Speaker 1: is to win, then everything was perfect. So I would
Speaker 1: not change a thing about it. I get to leave
Speaker 1: this season with closure with Jordan, who were great friends.
Speaker 1: Now I'm so thankful for our friendship and as a champ,
Speaker 1: and I got to share that money, We got to
Speaker 1: share that money with my with our friends, Like this
Speaker 1: was the most beautiful experience I could have been a
Speaker 1: part of. I'm so honored that I got to do
Speaker 1: it with Devin. Like, I wouldn't change a fucking thing.
Speaker 1: This will be my favorite season for the rest of
Speaker 1: my life, no matter how many I do. There's never
Speaker 1: going to be another one. Lash You're gonna change the
Speaker 1: seven to an eight on her arm. Also, also, I
Speaker 1: know you just said something funny. You said I got
Speaker 1: closure with Jordan, but he very clearly leaves the barn
Speaker 1: door just cracked up in there. At the end, you
Speaker 1: see me saying, don't listen to him. He goes, I
Speaker 1: don't know where it will be in five or six years.
Speaker 1: Jordan circling twenty twenty eight on his calendar. No one
Speaker 1: knows what could happen that it's going to send you
Speaker 1: a u uptext T years He was just says, shit, dude,
Speaker 1: a show. I think we love each other. I think
Speaker 1: we were, We respect each other. We're very thankful where
Speaker 1: we are now. But I think we we know that
Speaker 1: we're good friends. Yeah, all things considered, it was a
Speaker 1: pretty flawless run, even in the turmoil and the um
Speaker 1: you know, challenges that came with with Jordan being there.
Speaker 1: He was a huge part, huge part and played in
Speaker 1: our success. Was like he because he also was I
Speaker 1: mean we didn't know this at the time, but like
Speaker 1: he was keeping me safe on our on our team,
Speaker 1: and we didn't know how that could have affected things.
Speaker 1: Like it was. It was all very He was very
Speaker 1: much like it or not entangled in our team um
Speaker 1: and we couldn't separate it. So shout out to Jordan's
Speaker 1: for for you know, doing what he did for us
Speaker 1: and speaking of doing that, So when did you guys
Speaker 1: have that moment? Which was such a beautiful moment. Literally
Speaker 1: was in tears, which is not why I watched the
Speaker 1: challenge dag Nabbit, but with in tears from that final episode,
Speaker 1: not only seeing you guys win, but seeing your speech
Speaker 1: at the end and giving your teammates, you know, a
Speaker 1: portion of your winning spreading that love. When did you
Speaker 1: guys decide that was that before you officially one? Like,
Speaker 1: how did that conversation you know come to be? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it take it away. It happened in the chain room.
Speaker 1: We we realized that we were like leaps and bounds
Speaker 1: ahead of them. So I'm like pulling the chains out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, so you want to split the
Speaker 1: money with them? And he was like, let's just fucking
Speaker 1: win first. Yet don't start writing checks to people, dude,
Speaker 1: We're like literally in a room full of chains trying
Speaker 1: to hand it out. But yeah, that was I will
Speaker 1: always like I've said this from the beginning, I've had
Speaker 1: the opportunity to steal from my partner twice. Once was
Speaker 1: I think twenty five grand not going to take that,
Speaker 1: but I don't end At the time, it was you know,
Speaker 1: more meaningful than now. The other one was like one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty UM in second chances, I will always
Speaker 1: share the money. I will always share the money. Tory
Speaker 1: will always share the money because if you let it,
Speaker 1: if you if you let money control you, you are fucked. Also,
Speaker 1: it got us fourteen thousand dollars underneath the tax bracket
Speaker 1: that we would have had it picked one that was fact.
Speaker 1: And there's that neurodivergence. Seventh, thinking ahead, like like doing
Speaker 1: the numbers, calculating it's either yeah, yeah, that look, that's valid.
Speaker 1: That's valid. Its wealthy people do it. It made and
Speaker 1: it's very important, beautiful moment. Yeah, it's it's there are
Speaker 1: people that in the in life in general, that believe
Speaker 1: that they did the thing, and it's just like, okay,
Speaker 1: you did do it, but you didn't do it alone.
Speaker 1: And recognition of people in the assistance that they gave
Speaker 1: you throughout the process is really important thing. And so
Speaker 1: like I know, I seem I come across maybe like
Speaker 1: a dick or whatever, like I'm cocky or arrogant or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm so aware of the fact that I need help
Speaker 1: from people all the time, and I am completely okay
Speaker 1: with that, and I appreciate and recognize when people have
Speaker 1: done things for me towards the same way. She spoke
Speaker 1: about it several times, and so it's like, we weren't
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna do that in front of all of them,
Speaker 1: just like devastated with double black eyes, in a broken face,
Speaker 1: a torn acl Nanni just lost her mom. Banana's beating
Speaker 1: himself up that he couldn't get the wind for Jordan
Speaker 1: had to live it with me, Like it was like
Speaker 1: they all went through fucking the Ringer. We're gonna sit
Speaker 1: there and just be like, oh yeah, thanks by and
Speaker 1: then getting a van with him, like that's not cool, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was just it really was. It so beautiful and
Speaker 1: you two as individuals, Yes, dev you can come across
Speaker 1: as arrogant and cocky sometimes, although I think people now
Speaker 1: are leaning into knowing that you it's ingest sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: like that, you know, like recently you retweeted Fessie's claim
Speaker 1: of being the top like competitors of all time, and
Speaker 1: then I retweeted your claim but said, I'm one of
Speaker 1: the top four female podcast hosts, and so you know
Speaker 1: you're you're playful with it. I think people who have
Speaker 1: really gotten to know you see that. But you both
Speaker 1: as individuals really are very like giving and have giving
Speaker 1: spirits and lift each other up and other people up
Speaker 1: outside of the show when cameras aren't rolling. And I've
Speaker 1: been fortunate enough to experience that even briefly, which is
Speaker 1: just so cool. And thank you guys, and thank you
Speaker 1: for continuing the tradition. And I like that you threw
Speaker 1: that line in there about it being a tradition, you know,
Speaker 1: so that hopefully that torch gets carried forward around sharing
Speaker 1: the winds, sharing the love, because ultimately the challenge family
Speaker 1: is just that it is one big ass dysfunctional family,
Speaker 1: but a place of like love, growth and in some ways, yes,
Speaker 1: closer than I think. Yeah, Banana said it like closer
Speaker 1: than blood, because you go through these life altering experiences
Speaker 1: that you know, many people don't have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: go through. If there was one thing that each of
Speaker 1: you would want viewers to take away from this season,
Speaker 1: like one So for those listening, Devin and tory A
Speaker 1: are co parents to a duck named Theo. He's not
Speaker 1: a real duck. I believe they got him at a
Speaker 1: garage sale or in a state sale, but they co
Speaker 1: parent him. And then also Dev held up before we
Speaker 1: started this recording a pillow that he got from Tori
Speaker 1: that he claims to have embroidered himself. So they're very
Speaker 1: much about, like, you know, quotes inspiration. He's holding up
Speaker 1: the pillow now. But what would be sort of the
Speaker 1: quote or the thing that you would want viewers, listeners
Speaker 1: challenge fans to take away from this particular season. Devin,
Speaker 1: let's start with you. Sure. This is a tough one
Speaker 1: because I don't know necessarily I guess a quote, an
Speaker 1: actual quote, but I guess just a message that I
Speaker 1: would want people to take away is as an underdog
Speaker 1: and somebody that has been constantly discredited and honestly just
Speaker 1: downright disliked for some reason by a lot of the
Speaker 1: competitors in this show. I think it's mainly because we
Speaker 1: have different skill sets, but I won't ramble. Don't have
Speaker 1: confidence in your own abilities, and be willing to work
Speaker 1: on yourself and don't see what you want to see,
Speaker 1: see what's actually there, and be self aware and work
Speaker 1: on your weaknesses, and don't let your your failures like
Speaker 1: shape your future. If you're willing to just go back
Speaker 1: to the well enough times and you're patient enough and
Speaker 1: you are hard working enough, it'll it'll pan out for
Speaker 1: the most part. So that's what I would say, is like,
Speaker 1: just have confidence in your abilities, but be willing to
Speaker 1: put in the work. Yeah, and what about you, Tori,
Speaker 1: I pretty much feel the exact same, Like my quote
Speaker 1: would be, just be relentless in pursuit of that dream,
Speaker 1: like truly relentless. If that means that you're coming back
Speaker 1: for your seventh season then and you still haven't gotten it,
Speaker 1: don't stop. And not only that, but trust the process.
Speaker 1: I think those are the two things that have really
Speaker 1: helped me because sometimes I felt like the path has
Speaker 1: taken me away, like like I was all the way
Speaker 1: the end of the corn Maze and I was trying
Speaker 1: to get to the middle. But like maybe that part
Speaker 1: was so necessary for me to get through whatever it took,
Speaker 1: because maybe at the center I needed to skill set
Speaker 1: that that part of the corn Mays took me. It
Speaker 1: so as corny as that sounds, oh my god, corny,
Speaker 1: let's go, but I really feel that way, like to
Speaker 1: be relentless, be relentless with your pursuit of either healing
Speaker 1: or your dreams and then at the same time like
Speaker 1: trust the process because now you just never know when
Speaker 1: something's going to be important and going to help you that.
Speaker 1: I love that so much. Devin, did t J actually
Speaker 1: give you that hug? Uh? We saw you. You told
Speaker 1: t J give me a hug. I told him to
Speaker 1: hold my body, Yes, and did he did? He? Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting on that. Hopefully we can make that happen.
Speaker 1: And and Tory, I'm surprised your proudest moment wasn't when
Speaker 1: you said to the camera that you needed to fart
Speaker 1: and instead God, like they did me so dirty and
Speaker 1: glad we're talking about hashtag the fart because that was electric. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the part that wasn't just a part? Yes, yeah, I talk.
Speaker 1: Oh God, they did be dirty with that one. You
Speaker 1: can see like my double chin over the helmet. I
Speaker 1: like the face that you make when you say it
Speaker 1: to You're like, ope, it was the wave for me
Speaker 1: just waves to him. Hi, Yeah, sorry, sorry. Well I
Speaker 1: hope that million dollars allowed you to get some fresh
Speaker 1: underwear for both of you to take some showers, um
Speaker 1: and really just enjoy this time. It has been such
Speaker 1: a pleasure to watch you all on this journey of
Speaker 1: the season and so proud of you, like, really genuinely
Speaker 1: well deserved. Couldn't have been a more perfect season. Well
Speaker 1: except for Olivia's face though it would have been different.
Speaker 1: But other than that, couldn't have been a more perfect season.
Speaker 1: You guys played an amazing game and so excited that
Speaker 1: you guys are now in the Ring of champions. So
Speaker 1: who well, as you know, I like games and we
Speaker 1: do games here on the podcast. So we have a
Speaker 1: final game for you, Challenge champs. We have two questions
Speaker 1: for you about each other. You say your rider dies.
Speaker 1: We've seen that, but we really want you to prove
Speaker 1: it now. And by the way, if you don't win
Speaker 1: these then you have to give all your money up.
Speaker 1: Just so you know, those are the rules. I don't
Speaker 1: make them, I just abide by them. Okay, so good
Speaker 1: luck getting it for me, it's gone. Wait. What did
Speaker 1: you guys buy vegan corn dogs? You probably did tory
Speaker 1: for either of them. New underwear. I spent mine on
Speaker 1: cotton balls and vegan dogs. What were the first things
Speaker 1: you guys bought after you won? Uh? Well, the money
Speaker 1: hasn't hit yet. Oh I know. I figured we don't
Speaker 1: got that loot now, But I did, uh, I got
Speaker 1: I did get I got my mom cool necklace. Oh
Speaker 1: that's cool, that's really cool. I gave everybody. I gave
Speaker 1: everybody in my family like thirty eight one hundred dollars
Speaker 1: for Christmas? So does that count? Oh? That's sweet? Really
Speaker 1: taking this thirty eight things? Seriously? I know I've been right.
Speaker 1: She's going to change that tattoo. You just keep taking
Speaker 1: away zeros. Who's getting three? Yeah, who's getting eight dollars?
Speaker 1: I think she's like, I'm giving you thirty eight cents?
Speaker 1: All right? Okay, So you know we love games on
Speaker 1: the show. We have a final game for you where
Speaker 1: we have two questions for you about each other. You
Speaker 1: say your writer dies, Now it's time to prove it.
Speaker 1: This first question is for Devin. Devin, this is a
Speaker 1: fairly easy one. I feel like you should get this.
Speaker 1: What is tory zodiac sign? Um? Well, I know her
Speaker 1: birthday is Mark seventh, but I don't really know the
Speaker 1: zodiac signs. I'm an Arie, so she's whatever is before Arias,
Speaker 1: which I think is uh no, it's not that one.
Speaker 1: Oh no, tell that one. Ut. I know I know
Speaker 1: it is, but I don't yeah, uh, it's I think
Speaker 1: she's holding up of fish pisces. Okay, okay, yeah, you
Speaker 1: totally cheated on that one. You too, So Devin does
Speaker 1: not get that problem? Well, I just I know her birthday.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know astrology. Sorry, I'm not
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old girl. That Hey, Devin, maybe that's
Speaker 1: one of the areas you need to work on because
Speaker 1: you never know when you come back. That could be
Speaker 1: the things. Actually, yeah, and challenge USA that was there
Speaker 1: were astrology questions as a part of tribute, so you know. Um.
Speaker 1: Question for Tory Devin showed up to prom wearing all
Speaker 1: one color? What color was it? Pink? Okay, you two
Speaker 1: are cheating. You guys can't see this. If you're not cheating,
Speaker 1: you're not trying right now. They're cheating, all right? Yes,
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, these two Just when I said you
Speaker 1: guys were examples, I take it all back, all right.
Speaker 1: Question for Devin. What was Tori's twenty twenty one Halloween costume? Oh?
Speaker 1: She was? She was a much room. Yes, and they
Speaker 1: didn't cheat for that answer, A good job at the point.
Speaker 1: Look a lot like toad school. Actually, And this one
Speaker 1: is for Tory. Uh, what is Devin's favorite beer? Is
Speaker 1: it a IPA or pale ale dev? What's the answer? We? Actually?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah, I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: have I said Have I announced this somewhere? But yeah,
Speaker 1: if I were, if I were to not be counting cows,
Speaker 1: I'm having her. I'm having a nice heavy eap on
Speaker 1: getting absolutely blasted grey go there we go. Well, you
Speaker 1: guys are indeed right. No, that was not one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Y'all got a fifty percent is not a passing great
Speaker 1: but U but you still, you guys won this episode
Speaker 1: and you won this season overall, and I think you
Speaker 1: won the hearts of a lot of people. So for
Speaker 1: being here. Uh no, you will have to listen um
Speaker 1: to see who gets the gold Star of this week. Actually,
Speaker 1: you know what, I was going to give it to
Speaker 1: you guys, Ye gold star last week. You get gold
Speaker 1: Star this week because I really just loved how you
Speaker 1: handled your win. Um, it was beautiful to watch. So
Speaker 1: props to both of you. Now, if people want to
Speaker 1: continue giving you gold stars or just um watch what
Speaker 1: you're up to? Where can they find you on social media?
Speaker 1: You guys can find me at Tory Underscore deal on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I also have my own personal podcast, Tory dealing with
Speaker 1: where I talk more intimately with people. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: come hang out, come on Instagram, come say hi and
Speaker 1: send pictures of date because I'll reply. Yeah, And if
Speaker 1: you want to talk to me, send a photo of
Speaker 1: me to Tory. She'll weed through all those and then
Speaker 1: if any of you are a chill, she'll make a
Speaker 1: recommendation and I'll I'll reach out. Yeah, oh gosh, probably
Speaker 1: that's the easiest avenue to get in contact with me.
Speaker 1: There we go, So do what you will. All right,
Speaker 1: do what you will and getting connected to those two.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys again. Congratulations on your win. Whoo whoo.
Speaker 1: Go celebrate so excited for you both. Can't wait to
Speaker 1: see what's up next for you guys in the Challenge universe,
Speaker 1: and go enjoy being champions day. Yeah, I'm coming for
Speaker 1: a later, daw Dave. Yeah, come on, come over, let's
Speaker 1: go to the ocean. I was about to go all right,
Speaker 1: I'm coming over, buddy, I'm gonna run there. You guys,
Speaker 1: are you feeling emotional? Is it just me? It can't
Speaker 1: just be me? I know, it can't just be me.
Speaker 1: That was a wonderful interview with Tory and Devin otherwise
Speaker 1: known as Dave and Dave, otherwise known as our Challenge champions.
Speaker 1: So great, so glad that we got to hear their
Speaker 1: journey and their story and prove that never give up
Speaker 1: on yourselves and keep working for the win. And the
Speaker 1: thing that you might think is your disadvantage could actually
Speaker 1: be your superpower. And when you you know, a million dollars,
Speaker 1: So learn so much from that. Thank you guys for listening.
Speaker 1: If you want to keep up with me, you can
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Speaker 1: and then, okay, just because we saw the finale doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's over yet. Y'all know some people, we got
Speaker 1: some unfinished business. We want to see if Olivia tells
Speaker 1: Nelson off for what's happening for that? So the reunion
Speaker 1: is next week, the Challenge Writer Dies Reunion. Make sure
Speaker 1: you check it out, and then right after that, you
Speaker 1: know we're gonna have a lot of things to say
Speaker 1: about it, and the girls will be back, So tune
Speaker 1: in to an all new episode of MTV's official Challenge
Speaker 1: podcast right after the reunion. We'll see you then your
Speaker 1: favorite place to be. Bye, guys,