Speaker 1: On the Bechdelcast, the questions asked if movies have women
Speaker 1: and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zefphnbast start changing
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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the Bechdel Cast, the show where
Speaker 2: we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the
Speaker 2: Bechdel test simply as a jumping off point. Caitlin popping
Speaker 2: in here to say that this week we are unlocking
Speaker 2: a Patreon aka Matreon episode on Scary Movie, the first
Speaker 2: one from the year two thousand, since the new one
Speaker 2: is coming out very soon. We released this on the
Speaker 2: Matreon around this time last year as part of a
Speaker 2: theme called spoof Tember, if I'm remembering correctly, in which
Speaker 2: we covered Scary Movie and Young Frankenstein. So here is
Speaker 2: that unlocked episode on Scary Movie. Enjoy Del Cast, Jamie,
Speaker 2: do you like Scary Movie?
Speaker 3: Was?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: That part was funny. That do you remember the do
Speaker 2: you know what that's referencing?
Speaker 1: It's a Budweiser commercial, right, yeah, okay, yeah there. I
Speaker 1: had to check a bunch of references in this, although
Speaker 1: some of them it's like James vander Beacon a window. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know what that means. Mm hmm, yeah, I know
Speaker 1: what that means. Unfortunately, there were some things I feel like,
Speaker 1: as we go through this, maybe we can help each
Speaker 1: other figure out. Because there are most of the references
Speaker 1: I got, there were a few that I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that people knew what this was at the time.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I was a sentient teen Yeah.
Speaker 1: Year this came out, you were the target audience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really was. Unfortunately, so we're covering scary movie. Uh, Matrons,
Speaker 2: this was your number one by a landslide, number one.
Speaker 1: Absolutely weirdos No. I feel like I was talking with
Speaker 1: Gret about it this morning. I think we talked about
Speaker 1: it too, where it's like you guys wanted us to
Speaker 1: have the exact conversation we're about to have, which is,
Speaker 1: what the fuck you got? Why did we have to
Speaker 1: watch this? What if?
Speaker 2: Twist? We loved it, We love scary movie.
Speaker 1: Actually it is a feminist mustapiece. I thought it was
Speaker 1: so fa I was looking. I was trying to figure
Speaker 1: out just like how the cast of this movie felt
Speaker 1: about having worked on it, particularly Regina Hall, because you're
Speaker 1: like the get her out of here. They're like, we
Speaker 1: need to airlift Regina Hall out of this horrible movie.
Speaker 1: But that this was like sort of a big break
Speaker 1: roll for her, and so she did one of those
Speaker 1: I forget what magazine it is, but it's like the
Speaker 1: career retrospective video. Yeah, and scary movie is the first
Speaker 1: thing she talks about, and she's very polite about it.
Speaker 1: She was like, yeah, that like my she mentions, because
Speaker 1: we'll talk about, like, I think, the various failures of
Speaker 1: this movie and some successes. I will say there were
Speaker 1: some things that made me laugh.
Speaker 2: There were a couple funny jokes. I'll admit it.
Speaker 1: The nine one one white woman in trouble joke, very funny.
Speaker 2: Was up.
Speaker 1: It really was like many jokes in this movie just
Speaker 1: repeating a joke that had previously been made. But I laughed, sure, Becauzam,
Speaker 1: I laughed, sure, But that was more just because they
Speaker 1: said something. Anyways, So Regina Hall was she was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I you know, I got the chance to do
Speaker 1: this part, and my manager or agent or whoever, was like,
Speaker 1: probably don't do this because this is like a super
Speaker 1: stereotyped black woman character. I think that she called it
Speaker 1: a loud girl character, which I'd never heard it in
Speaker 1: that way before. But yeah, like she's like, it's a
Speaker 1: loud girl character. You're going to get type cast as this,
Speaker 1: like I will didn't do it, And Regina Hall was like,
Speaker 1: She's like, and now I really understood what they meant.
Speaker 1: But like she she took the role because A it
Speaker 1: was a role, and B because she was a big
Speaker 1: fan of the Waynes Brothers, which is I'm sure while
Speaker 1: a lot of people were in this movie. And and
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that this movie was more financially successful
Speaker 1: than the movie that it's based on, Scream. I mean,
Speaker 1: both are wildly successful. And I know what you did
Speaker 1: last summer, but only for like ten minutes. Weirdly, I
Speaker 1: thought it's.
Speaker 2: Definitely way more parodying Scream.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Scream obviously came out in ninety six, made
Speaker 1: for fifteen million dollars, made one hundred and seventy three
Speaker 1: million dollars. Hello, scary movie made for nineteen million dollars,
Speaker 1: made two hundred and seventy eight million dollars. Wild unjust
Speaker 1: unjust Yeah, sorry, anyways, I just I I didn't know
Speaker 1: Regina Hall was in this and I was like upset
Speaker 1: for her and Anna Faris Anna Faris. I feel like
Speaker 1: she said a very interesting career where you're just like,
Speaker 1: is anyone ever gonna let her cook? Is anyone ever
Speaker 1: gonna let this woman cook? Or anyways?
Speaker 2: Ah Okay, I'm yelling, oh, well, what's your history with this?
Speaker 2: Had you seen it before? No?
Speaker 1: I had not seen it. I had seen clips of
Speaker 1: I've never seen a scary movie all the way through,
Speaker 1: but I feel like these movies often find second lives
Speaker 1: in There were scenes I recognized because they were like
Speaker 1: posted on like early YouTube or whatever, or I think
Speaker 1: I definitely remember whatever scary movie because luckily this is
Speaker 1: streaming on Paramount Plus right now. And I was like,
Speaker 1: should I watch scary movie too? It's not streaming, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: h well.
Speaker 2: It is on Hoopla and I did watch it for this.
Speaker 2: I have like one to two notes on it. It's okay,
Speaker 2: but I only rewatched it because not to interrupt your
Speaker 2: history with it. But you're fine, it's there.
Speaker 1: There isn't any I mean, I saw it in clips.
Speaker 1: I just I was always gonna say, is I remember
Speaker 1: the one is scary movie too? The one that references
Speaker 1: the ring I remember the clipt from The Ring, I
Speaker 1: don't think, so that must be Regina Hall fighting the
Speaker 1: girl from the Ring? What oppen?
Speaker 2: Okay, that must be Scary Movie three or beyond, because
Speaker 2: there are I think five of.
Speaker 1: These total, and the original cast is like basically in
Speaker 1: the first four, which is why like they they I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure they kept Regina Hall until Scary Movie four.
Speaker 1: Poor Regina what Anyways?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had seen this movie before it came out
Speaker 2: in two thousand and I was thirteen or fourteen, so yeah,
Speaker 2: the target demo totally. And I think I saw this
Speaker 2: before I saw a Scream, So.
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of letterbox reviews to that effect,
Speaker 1: which is like kind of fun it was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I wish it had been the other way around,
Speaker 2: but sure, I can't fix it now. And I think
Speaker 2: I only saw a Scary movie once prior or Oh no,
Speaker 2: I did actually rewatch it when we covered Scream just
Speaker 2: to see, and I think I just had a little
Speaker 2: just a couple comments about how it's like so bad
Speaker 2: and every horrible joke that you can think of is made.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't realize exactly how like beat for because
Speaker 1: I didn't watch Scary movie too. I watched Scream immediately after,
Speaker 1: and which was helpful because I hadn't seen I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen Scream for like a year or something like I
Speaker 1: usually watch it every Halloween. But just like literally seen
Speaker 1: to scene there is reused dialogue, which that one point
Speaker 1: they call attention.
Speaker 2: To in Scary Movie. Yeah, you're just like this sucks,
Speaker 2: this is so lazy and oh god this Yeah, this
Speaker 2: movie is truly really punishing. But so in two thousand
Speaker 2: and one, when Scary Movie two came out, for some reason,
Speaker 2: I was slightly more attached to that one. I had
Speaker 2: seen that probably three or four times in the early
Speaker 2: two thousands. We're saying, I think probably once in theaters
Speaker 2: and then I'm guessing like I would like go to
Speaker 2: a friend's house for a hang and we would put
Speaker 2: it on. I don't know, but I have like more
Speaker 2: memories from that one. I kind of didn't really remember
Speaker 2: anything from Scary Movie. They're all horrible. I don't think
Speaker 2: I've seen any of the sequels beyond Scary Movie two.
Speaker 1: I think that that's fair. Yeah, I've like it's just
Speaker 1: all like although I mean, okay, positive things I can
Speaker 1: say about this movie. Also, the Waynes brothers. They're historic figures,
Speaker 1: right like, they're ye who have made stuff I really like.
Speaker 1: For example, Hollywood Shuffle movie we've covered on this very shows.
Speaker 1: It was directed by Robert Townsend, but it was co
Speaker 1: written by Keenan Ivry Wayns. He created in living color,
Speaker 1: which is like an iconic comedy series. This was I
Speaker 1: didn't realize scary movie, whether we like it as a
Speaker 1: movie or not, was the highest grossing movie by a
Speaker 1: black director for years until a different bad movie displaced it,
Speaker 1: Fantastic Four in two thousand and five. Jessica Alba Fantastic.
Speaker 2: Four, Yeah, directed by Tim's story. Yeah. Also he I
Speaker 2: mean he worked a ton with any More, like all
Speaker 2: this stuff right like I so, I guess listeners, when
Speaker 2: you're setting your expectations, this is not a takedown of
Speaker 2: the Waynes brother writ large Right, they're complicated figures, but
Speaker 2: they are also like just like iconic comedians. I would
Speaker 2: say that this genre specifically is maybe the genre that
Speaker 2: is set to age the absolutely the worst of almost
Speaker 2: any movie genre, because not only is the hu more
Speaker 2: very offensive and dated, so were the references.
Speaker 1: So if so, if you like, we're not the target
Speaker 1: audience for this movie. You're just like, I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm being punished and I don't know what they're fucking
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: So there's a reference in Scary Movie Too, where there's
Speaker 2: like this hole it's horrible, but the tires on a
Speaker 2: wheelchair are Firestone tires. Do you remember the whole scandal
Speaker 2: around Firestone tires? Not really two thousands? No, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 2: I remember, I'm kind of curious, just that they were
Speaker 2: horribly made, and like cars kept getting in horrible accidents
Speaker 2: because like the tires would basically fall apart or like
Speaker 2: catch on fire or something while they were driving. Whoa,
Speaker 2: And so there's a reference to that in Scary Movie Too.
Speaker 2: I did not know that to your point, No one
Speaker 2: remembers that.
Speaker 1: No except for me. Also, there's a continuing on on
Speaker 1: the Wayne's brother train, because there's just so many brothers.
Speaker 1: Wayne's brother also wrote and directed a movie we will
Speaker 1: be covering on the show. It's just like the recording
Speaker 1: time keeps getting postponed. White white Ken and Ivory Wayne's
Speaker 1: is not you know, at the top of he's not
Speaker 1: one of the white.
Speaker 2: Chicks, and who can forget major pain for that?
Speaker 1: Did I ever tell you I've never seen Major Pain,
Speaker 1: but my freshman year of college, we had a cardboard
Speaker 1: cutout of him in my room. My ROOMT had a
Speaker 1: cardboard cutout of Major Pain. So he was, in fact
Speaker 1: the first person I saw when I woke Well, not
Speaker 1: a part, he's cardboard, but like, h yeah, Damon Waynes
Speaker 1: was the first thing I saw when I woke up. Wow.
Speaker 2: And then you've got Damon Wayne's junior yup of New Girl,
Speaker 2: Fame and others.
Speaker 1: Hollywood Dynasty. Yeah, there's there. I think their generation of
Speaker 1: Wayne's in Hollywood. Now I'm not totally sure.
Speaker 2: Well there's like there are like ten siblings, yes, because
Speaker 2: it's like Keenan Ivory Wayne's and Sean Wayns and Marlon
Speaker 2: Wayns are all brothers.
Speaker 1: Is Damon Wayne's a cousin?
Speaker 2: Like I googled Wayne's family tree? Okay, let me where's
Speaker 2: the tab?
Speaker 1: Starting to feel very Game of Thrones, like you have
Speaker 1: to there's charts.
Speaker 2: So Dwayne Waynes is a writer and film composer. He's
Speaker 2: the eldest. Then Keenan Ivory Waynes is the second eldest.
Speaker 2: There's Deirdre who's a screenwriter and producer.
Speaker 1: I didn't know there was a Wayne's sister.
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, there's another. There's Kimberly and actor and.
Speaker 1: Writer Kimberly never mind because she's she's in some of
Speaker 1: their stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's Elvira. She has worked as a writer's assistant
Speaker 2: and a writer. Okay, There's Nadya, who the little blurb
Speaker 2: about her has primarily stayed out of the spotlight.
Speaker 1: Good for her.
Speaker 2: There's DeVaughn, also largely kept her life private. There's Sean.
Speaker 1: I like that the girls. The girls are generally like no,
Speaker 1: thank you, not interested, like good for you, good for you.
Speaker 2: Sean born in nineteen seventy one and Marlon born in
Speaker 2: seventy two, versus their elder brother Keenan born in nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty eight and Damon Senior born in nineteen sixty. So yeah,
Speaker 2: there's like many siblings many years apart.
Speaker 1: But Keenan's guy. I always think of him as like
Speaker 1: sort of the elder because it's like his younger brothers
Speaker 1: are in his stuff. He was involved in Eddie Murphy
Speaker 1: raw like he's I feel like he's the I don't
Speaker 1: know they's So it's we could do a whole Wayne's
Speaker 1: family history show basically, right, Yeah, and I also I
Speaker 1: was like, which Wayne's brother was it Marlon's last year.
Speaker 1: In spite of the fact that we will see some
Speaker 1: very you know, transphobic and homophobic jokes in Scary Movie,
Speaker 1: I do feel like it is worth mentioning that a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I don't know if his son
Speaker 1: said it publicly or if he has asked about it,
Speaker 1: but he has a trans son who he has been
Speaker 1: extremely publicly vocally supportive of, which I thought was really
Speaker 1: nice to. You know, people can grow. So while Marlon
Speaker 1: Wayne's you know, as we'll talk about, had a hand
Speaker 1: in writing some pretty horrifically transphobic and homophobic jokes in
Speaker 1: the year two thousand, I, you know, again just couching
Speaker 1: it in people grow. We're talking about the year two
Speaker 1: thousand and it's not going to feel good.
Speaker 2: It certainly is not.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, your history is you saw it when it
Speaker 1: came out, But you're more of a scary movie too, head.
Speaker 2: I mean, technically yes, But also I've I've left these
Speaker 2: movies in the path. I haven't seen any of them
Speaker 2: since like probably two thousand and three, fair enough, but yeah,
Speaker 2: for some reason, Scary Movie two was the one which
Speaker 2: is mostly a parody of Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Do they always choose like one movie to basically
Speaker 1: rip off pretty much?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then maybe there will be like kind of
Speaker 2: a side plot or like a secondary movie that they'll
Speaker 2: pull from, But it seems to be like mostly one movie, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Haunting from nineteen ninety nine, although the opening sequence
Speaker 2: of Scary Movie two is an Exorcist parody.
Speaker 1: They love the Exorcist because it's also heavily round. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it is like one of the most iconic
Speaker 1: horror movies, but it's not recent at all, So I
Speaker 1: was like, why is it.
Speaker 2: They also love Titanic. Yeah, because there's a Titanic reference
Speaker 2: in Scary Movie and Scary Movie two.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a pretty clever, dark but well
Speaker 1: execution almostad too. They're okay, there's just there's just a lot.
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on. Yeah, this movie wants to
Speaker 1: be screamed so bad, and this is the crux of
Speaker 1: it that I know. I'm like, in no way the
Speaker 1: first person to make this observation. We've talked about over text,
Speaker 1: but like, why would you parody Scream when Scream is
Speaker 1: a satire of horror movies? It's a hat on a
Speaker 1: hat it does. So I feel like any or most
Speaker 1: of at least if you're looking at this from a
Speaker 1: critical standpoint, which I know you're not supposed to, but
Speaker 1: we're doing it anyway.
Speaker 2: It's our job.
Speaker 1: But that's our job. That's what you pay us the
Speaker 1: five dollars for. But you know, like I feel like
Speaker 1: most of the attempts to, like Scream in particular, it
Speaker 1: just like falls apart really quickly because it's like Scream
Speaker 1: is already it would make more sense to do, you know,
Speaker 1: an ursus parody or a sixth sense parody, or like
Speaker 1: a movie that is at its core sincere not that Scream,
Speaker 1: I mean and Scream. So that was what I did
Speaker 1: instead of watching scary movie too. I rewatched Scream. We've
Speaker 1: covered it on the show before. It's a classic. It's great,
Speaker 1: you know, has its flaws, certainly, but like it is
Speaker 1: clearly commenting on horror tropes, which I feel like the
Speaker 1: second trilogy does even.
Speaker 2: More in like pretty I think clever and astute ways,
Speaker 2: something that scary movie you know, utterly fails to do.
Speaker 1: And it's not even like rewatching Scream, I mean it's
Speaker 1: high drama. Like you love the characters, but like it's
Speaker 1: not subtle about what it's doing, like it's it's tell
Speaker 1: but you know, the scary movie really challenges whatnot subtle
Speaker 1: can look like. Yeah, I don't know, do you have
Speaker 1: anything else? I guess, oh the last whatever positive contextual
Speaker 1: thing that I will say about this movie and also
Speaker 1: what they make scherioh Terry do in this movie. I
Speaker 1: love Schario Terry, Like can we not make her do that? Anyways,
Speaker 1: but that this movie's success and again feel about this
Speaker 1: way you will basically revived this genre like the like
Speaker 1: super spoofy summer movie and that like continued throughout the
Speaker 1: two thousands, like with this franchise, but also with you know,
Speaker 1: epic movie vampires.
Speaker 2: Suck blah blah blah, like those movies got another teen
Speaker 2: movie totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there there were stuff like this in the
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties and not saying there were the most
Speaker 1: baseballs you know, like but in general, like it feels
Speaker 1: like these kinds of movies had a huge moment in
Speaker 1: like the seventies and then again in the two thousands.
Speaker 2: I forget if it was epic movie or there were
Speaker 2: a hand full of ones like this where they were
Speaker 2: just like, let's take a pretty broad genre and then
Speaker 2: call it something movie. I don't remember if it was
Speaker 2: epic movie or something similar, but I walked out of it.
Speaker 2: I went to go see in the theater and I
Speaker 2: was like, this is so bad. It's like one of
Speaker 2: the few movies I've ever walked out of. I so
Speaker 2: to say, do you remember the first movie you walked
Speaker 2: out of? I did, and it might have been that.
Speaker 1: Really, it made me feel so powerful the first movie
Speaker 1: I walked out of, and like in retrospect, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that was a little dramatic. But I walked out of
Speaker 1: bas Lerman's Great Gatsby.
Speaker 2: I mean visual cacophony.
Speaker 1: I said, enough is enough, enough is enough. I think
Speaker 1: I was being like a little like, this isn't like
Speaker 1: the book, Like you know, I was being a dork.
Speaker 1: But you know what I did did I said what
Speaker 1: I said, And I remember that when I did it,
Speaker 1: I was wearing a Monster's University hat. So it still
Speaker 1: was like kind of humiliating. Anyway, that's hilarious, adult woman.
Speaker 2: I almost walked out of bos Lherman's el this because
Speaker 2: that to me was very people. Oh you know what,
Speaker 2: I think it was disaster movie that I walked out
Speaker 2: of two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: Oh I remember, Yes, I mean that felt barely justified.
Speaker 1: I like, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The last thing I'll say before we dive into
Speaker 2: the recap is that something that would have probably made
Speaker 2: more sense to bring up on the Young Frankenstein episode,
Speaker 2: because we were talking about our relationship with spoof and parody,
Speaker 2: I forgot to mention that I made a student film
Speaker 2: which was a parody. I think I mentioned it on
Speaker 2: the show before. But it's called Car Wars Return of
Speaker 2: the Jetta. Wait, I don't rememberich is awesome. I think
Speaker 2: we can.
Speaker 1: All agree, okay, no notes, it.
Speaker 2: Was okay, so because my friend had a beat up
Speaker 2: Volkswagen Jetta, and so I was just like, can I
Speaker 2: use your car slash? Will you be in my my
Speaker 2: little movie?
Speaker 1: That's sweet? I love that. I Also, I guess I
Speaker 1: should have for my context, I should have mentioned for
Speaker 1: all the shit I'm about to talk. You know, I
Speaker 1: wrote on Robot Chicken for two seasons, so look, so look,
Speaker 1: am I above this clearly not? Clearly not? I wrote
Speaker 1: on robot Chicken for two seasons. For like five dollars cumulatively,
Speaker 1: So like, you know.
Speaker 2: But pretty good parody sketches on that.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I've always been a fan of that show I Gritty.
Speaker 1: That was my favorite that I got away with I
Speaker 1: Gritty guys, come on, come on, you gotta watch I Gritty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was like God, that was like seven or eight
Speaker 1: years ago now, so even the ones that I am
Speaker 1: proud of still feel a little dated. One was like,
Speaker 1: uh about what was that Remy Mallick show, Mister Robot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did a mister Robot parody that at the time
Speaker 1: did numbers. But now someone would be like, huh, what
Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Anyways? Yeah, am I am?
Speaker 1: I above obvious pairs. No, no, I paid my rent
Speaker 1: for a little while.
Speaker 2: Yeh.
Speaker 1: But but I will say, having been in rooms of
Speaker 1: that nature, what you do find is constantly fighting against
Speaker 1: jokes that are not dissimilar to the ones that appear
Speaker 1: in this movie, because I feel like parody can be
Speaker 1: super fun, as you like, your short film is an
Speaker 1: example of that. I Gritty, It's an example of gritty.
Speaker 2: Wait, let me just say one more thing. Also, Okay,
Speaker 2: so I Gritty, Tanya, mister Robot, I Robot remember that.
Speaker 1: Makes you think, it makes you think, sorry, wait what
Speaker 1: was that? I there was like one robot because the
Speaker 1: catch I read that, I was like, oh, that didn't
Speaker 1: even have anything to do with anything. It was a
Speaker 1: fake commercial for like Cheetoh, like what to do when
Speaker 1: you've been fingered by a guy who just ate Cheetos? Anyways,
Speaker 1: So that wasn't a parody as much as just something
Speaker 1: that was on my mind at the time.
Speaker 2: That was original content.
Speaker 1: That's IP, that's IP anyway, whoa oh. But just like
Speaker 1: the fact that, like I don't know, this genre is possible.
Speaker 1: It's possible to write really funny stuff. It's always gonna
Speaker 1: rely on you know, the viewer knowing what the reference
Speaker 1: is for the most part, although some people's aw scary
Speaker 1: movie and then so I'll scream. So it's like, if
Speaker 1: it's strong enough, it can it can stand on its own.
Speaker 1: Usually you need to know the reference. But it really
Speaker 1: does open itself up to like some of the like
Speaker 1: nastiest prejudices at the time. I'm thinking of the time
Speaker 1: in the Robot Chicken writer's room when I had got
Speaker 1: into a full on argument and I won't get specific
Speaker 1: about who I was talking to but this was in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen nineteen about whether Elon Musk was cool or not,
Speaker 1: and he really was like, what do you hate rockets?
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I hate Nazis and then he
Speaker 1: was like, you're being dramatic and anyways, so these are
Speaker 1: this is the tenor of this. However, this movie, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I would be really surprised if there wasn't
Speaker 1: like a punch up room for movies like this. That's
Speaker 1: something that as a writer I'm always like curious about,
Speaker 1: because you know whatever, for listeners that aren't aware, there's
Speaker 1: usually for usually on comedy movies, a lot of the
Speaker 1: time on kids movies, once a script is complete, they
Speaker 1: will hire a group of writers or comedians to come
Speaker 1: in for a couple of days and just pitch jokes
Speaker 1: that like aren't quite working. I've done one of these
Speaker 1: rooms before. They're fun, but you don't get any credit,
Speaker 1: like I think sometimes people get thank yous or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be surprised if that happened here. But
Speaker 1: as far as the credited writers, there's Sean and Marlon
Speaker 1: Wains the brother of course is directing, Buddy Johnson and
Speaker 1: Phil Bowman, which I like who are these men? And
Speaker 1: those are those are the names of old men to.
Speaker 2: Me, they were writers on The Wayne Brothers Show, so
Speaker 2: that's probably why they got pulled into this.
Speaker 1: Which was one of the other jokes that made me laugh.
Speaker 1: I've never seen The Waynes Brothers show, but during the
Speaker 1: stab scene, just the like, oh, and the Wayne Brothers
Speaker 1: is a really good show. We didn't even get a
Speaker 1: parting episode or whatever. That's fun. That's fun. They're not
Speaker 1: the weird credits. The weird credits are Jason Friedberg and
Speaker 1: Aaron Seltzer, who get a credit because of a WGA
Speaker 1: rule in spite of not having written on the movie
Speaker 1: at all. They just were like, what if we parodied Scream?
Speaker 1: A very lucrative decision for them to pitch the most
Speaker 1: obvious idea ever and then other people write the movie.
Speaker 2: Because Here's what happened from what I understand. According to
Speaker 2: scholarly journal Wikipedia, so the Waynes Brothers and then Buddy,
Speaker 2: Buddy and Phil were developing the script for Scary Movie,
Speaker 2: which was originally called something like Scream if you still know,
Speaker 2: oh what I did last Halloween or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the only way it could be more
Speaker 1: dated would be and also that Scream was almost called
Speaker 1: scary movie is kind of a fun thing.
Speaker 2: So they were developing that script at the same time Miramax,
Speaker 2: because yep, this movie was produced by Bob and Harvey Weinstein.
Speaker 1: It isn't that interesting time every time a movie opens
Speaker 1: with that, you're like, well, wow, or we're off to
Speaker 1: a bad start.
Speaker 2: Right, So Miramax was developing a different spoof of Scream
Speaker 2: that Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer were writing, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if they just sort of like decided to
Speaker 2: combine efforts or what exactly, but that's basically why, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Friedberg and Seltzer have writing credits on Scary Movie, even
Speaker 2: though I don't think they worked on any draft of
Speaker 2: this script.
Speaker 1: The lesson being, if you're a Hollywood writer, just start
Speaker 1: pitching the most obvious shit around town and eventually you'll
Speaker 1: start making passive income off of it. Right, Good for them.
Speaker 1: I also something that could so like we were talking
Speaker 1: about this movie is clearly ripping off Scream and I
Speaker 1: Know you did last summer, which I kind of forgot.
Speaker 1: I know, we talked about it when we covered I
Speaker 1: Know what You did last Summer. More recently, we're both
Speaker 1: written by the same guy. They're both written by Kevin Williamson.
Speaker 1: And what a fascinating cultural figure he is, indeed, because
Speaker 1: he also created Dawson's Creek, which is referenced in the
Speaker 1: movie that is parodying two of his movies.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's all connected. Her web connects them all.
Speaker 1: Kevin's web connects them all. I'm I'm always rooting for
Speaker 1: Kevin for obvious reasons.
Speaker 2: Anyone likes Kevin Kevin le mignon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is really kind of it, That's the whole reason.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, so I was like, Wow, there's just
Speaker 1: so many layers of Kevin and Williamson in this damn movie.
Speaker 1: Although I do think, I know.
Speaker 2: What you did last Summer is corny, it kind of sucks,
Speaker 2: but what can you do it an you do? But
Speaker 2: Scream rocks and it didn't need to be parodied, and
Speaker 2: it makes no sense that it was, and yet scary
Speaker 2: moving one And yet should I do the recap?
Speaker 1: I guess? So, I mean, yeah, it's basically Scream but worse.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I guess like spoilers for Scream because
Speaker 2: most of the same twists that happen in Scream also
Speaker 2: happened in this movie. So if you haven't seen Scream,
Speaker 2: it's about to be spoiled more or less. Okay, So
Speaker 2: the movie opens much the same way Scream opens, where
Speaker 2: like the ghost face killer calls a woman. The character's
Speaker 2: name is Drew played by Carmen Electra formerly played by
Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore in Scream.
Speaker 1: Wow. The subtle reference to the text poor carbon Electra
Speaker 1: in this day like poor I mean, but every time
Speaker 1: you see an actor, just think we're saying poor them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the killer calls her and asks her about scary movies,
Speaker 2: and then he shows up and starts chasing her stabs
Speaker 2: her in the chest.
Speaker 1: This is truly like I forgot until I rewatch Scream
Speaker 1: beat for beat for beat for beat the exact same scene,
Speaker 1: to the point where I kind of forgot that the
Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore's character's parents come home at this exact moment
Speaker 1: in this one. The mother's giving the father RoadHead ha haha,
Speaker 1: something that I don't know. I just am like, that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. There's so much RoadHead in this movie. I
Speaker 1: was like, stop telling teenagers that RoadHead is a thing.
Speaker 1: It is not a thing. I've done it twice and
Speaker 1: it was scary and they always crashed the car. It's scary.
Speaker 1: Don't give RoadHead. Don't be like people scary movie or
Speaker 1: me and the there's two different points in this movie.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Carmen Electra in her first five seconds that
Speaker 1: was green. Oops. I farted, Okay, like there it just
Speaker 1: for no reason, just for let's have a fart. Same
Speaker 1: thing with Anna Faris at some point where.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, she farts in the bathtub.
Speaker 1: Yeah what why not? I don't know. I like why not?
Speaker 1: But also why I'm being a snob, but also why,
Speaker 1: but also why? And it's only women, Like why are
Speaker 1: women farting? It feels fetishy?
Speaker 2: Anyways, it could well or it could be really thoughtful
Speaker 2: representation to show the women fart too. I don't fart, Okay,
Speaker 2: I've never fried. Yeah, me either. I don't know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing.
Speaker 2: Anything to not talk about this movie. Okay, I know,
Speaker 2: all right, So this this sequence happens. Yeah, cut to
Speaker 2: a teen girl named Cindy played by Anna Ferris.
Speaker 1: Now eagle eyed viewers keep in mind the character that's
Speaker 1: based on his named Sidney, whereas her name is Cindy whoa.
Speaker 1: So the parallels are subtle, but stay with us. Also,
Speaker 1: young young Anna Ferris. Did you see the story about
Speaker 1: how she ended up in this movie? Kind of?
Speaker 2: I sort of forget it already.
Speaker 1: So I think I don't know that much about Anna
Speaker 1: Ferris as a person other than I think she's like
Speaker 1: a really good comic actor who has almost exclusively been
Speaker 1: in movies that have aged very poorly, and I would
Speaker 1: like to see her in a movie that isn't I Weirdly,
Speaker 1: the last time I was visiting producer of this very show, Sophie,
Speaker 1: we rewatched The House Bunny for some reason. Uh huh
Speaker 1: does not age well?
Speaker 2: I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: It's well, it does not age well. That's but like
Speaker 1: Anna Faris is a very very talented actor. I feel
Speaker 1: like she I know she was like early to podcasting.
Speaker 1: She was married to Chris Pratt at one point, a
Speaker 1: lot going on, and he.
Speaker 2: Has been very very ablest about the child they have together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, she seems I've listened to her podcast
Speaker 1: a couple of times. She seems genuinely great. And I
Speaker 1: don't know at what point or maybe Chris Pratt came
Speaker 1: with a broken brain. But clearly he got like famous
Speaker 1: and his brain broke or something, and he's awful to
Speaker 1: their kid. It seems like he was awful to her. Anyways.
Speaker 1: I think she's very interesting and this was her first
Speaker 1: It might have been her first one of her first
Speaker 1: roles and definitely her first big role. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: like happened sort of. She had just like graduated from
Speaker 1: college and she was gonna go to London, and then
Speaker 1: they were like, wait, just take one audition in la
Speaker 1: and then and then it was this, and then she
Speaker 1: she had to be in them. I kep saying it
Speaker 1: had to like that she was four. I don't like,
Speaker 1: but she was in the first flour yikes too well. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I like her. Her and Regina Hall. I just am
Speaker 1: like they should make a different movie together. Agree, I
Speaker 1: would watch it.
Speaker 2: Let's write something for them, Okay, Okay, So we meet Cindy.
Speaker 2: She's in her bedroom. Her boyfriend Bobby climbed through her
Speaker 2: window and he's horny, horny, horny, and he wants to
Speaker 2: have sex, but she's a virgin and she wants to wait,
Speaker 2: thus initiating her entire arc. And we'll talk about that later.
Speaker 1: Not the electric fence underwear. Just nasty business, are we going?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we couldn't reference every offensive joke
Speaker 1: in the movie, but I'm just gonna single out the
Speaker 1: ones that upset me them up. Sure, Sure, the electric
Speaker 1: fence underwear. I was upset by her dad being friends
Speaker 1: with Pablo Escobar and being a drug trafficker. I guess
Speaker 1: I was neutral on that. I don't like the joke, shrug,
Speaker 1: but there is funny. I don't know, like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it's again. I was like, I was trying
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, where they were going with that,
Speaker 1: but it just sort of seemed like so there would
Speaker 1: be a guy being like, don't look at the drug
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 2: I think it's hashtag random humor.
Speaker 1: It's and in two thousand room from the hashtag. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like it really gets cooked in the back
Speaker 1: half of the two thousands. That's when we have the
Speaker 1: finger mustaches. We get these get pretty pretty thorny in
Speaker 1: the random apartment. But yeah, this is this is it begins.
Speaker 2: It begins. Okay, So we cut to the next day
Speaker 2: at school, we meet Cindy's friends Brenda played by Regina Holl.
Speaker 2: Brenda's brother Shorty played by Marlon Wayne's.
Speaker 1: And just for what it's worth, so most of the
Speaker 1: characters and scholarly journal Wikipedia, they let you know which
Speaker 1: character becomes which character. Billy Loomis Bobby Prince. I mean
Speaker 1: that's literally a one to one. He's often saying the
Speaker 1: exact same dialogue as Billy Loomis. It's I think he's
Speaker 1: maybe the most poorly realized character all of all of them,
Speaker 1: and at the end he's gay. They literally give him
Speaker 1: the last name Prince because he's also sort of based
Speaker 1: on a Freddie Prince Junior character. Right whatever, Shorty is
Speaker 1: supposed to be the Jamie Kennedy character in Scream. Regina
Speaker 1: Hall is supposed to be. I picked out the Brandy
Speaker 1: character from I Know What You Did Last Summer, but
Speaker 1: also I guess a Jada Pinkett Smith character from Scream two,
Speaker 1: which I have not seen.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. Anyways, okay, so those are those characters. Then
Speaker 2: we also meet Buffy, a friend of Cindy's, played by
Speaker 2: Shannon Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: I wonder what that's a reference to.
Speaker 2: No idea hard to say. Is there a famous buzz
Speaker 2: teen character.
Speaker 1: And it's in the nineties based on a character played
Speaker 1: by Sarah Michelle Geller. Also, I felt like that was
Speaker 1: more based on the Rose McGowan character, and I hate
Speaker 1: how they talk about her. I hate how they talk
Speaker 1: about her. It felt like the way it was written
Speaker 1: was intended. I mean, and maybe I'm wrong, but it
Speaker 1: just felt like, so the way she's introduced is so
Speaker 1: aggressively hateful of like that, like floody girl has no
Speaker 1: respect for herself. And it felt to me, based on
Speaker 1: how Rose McGowan was talked about in that time, it
Speaker 1: felt like a direct missive at her, not even at
Speaker 1: that character. It pissed me off quite frankly.
Speaker 2: It's very pissy. Yeah, so Buffy's boyfriend Greg, okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: he's heavy with Greg.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, many many such Gregs.
Speaker 2: I don't even know fucking the actor who plays him.
Speaker 2: I didn't write it down.
Speaker 1: Lachlan Munroe. Oh, very expensive sounding name. What else has
Speaker 1: he done? He's in White Chicks also, Oh and he
Speaker 1: was in Riverdale. Okay, that's interesting, Okay whatever. Next we
Speaker 1: meet Ray played by Sean Wayns, who is also Brenda's boyfriend.
Speaker 1: But there's all these constant jokes that he's actually gay. Literally,
Speaker 1: I think that there's there's a scene the sequence where
Speaker 1: they're ripping off I Know what you did last summer,
Speaker 1: which happens for about ten minutes and then kind of
Speaker 1: really doesn't come back up her again. I don't think
Speaker 1: that fifteen seconds passes without there being a gay joke
Speaker 1: from from or at this character. Yes, in the same
Speaker 1: way that like all the entire LGBT community is presented
Speaker 1: in this movie as predators, freaks exactly, Yes, like creeps, predators, whatever,
Speaker 1: Just like all of these broad stereotypes that it's really
Speaker 1: unpleasant to revisit of like, well, if someone is gay
Speaker 1: there attracted to every man they see, like you're like,
Speaker 1: ah yeah, nasty, and and also like ends up by extension,
Speaker 1: like the Regina Hall character being constantly like made a
Speaker 1: joke of of like how does she not know? And
Speaker 1: like whatever it.
Speaker 2: It sucks so bad. Okay. So they're all hanging out
Speaker 2: together at school and word has spread about their classmate
Speaker 2: Drew having been murdered. The press is on campus, including
Speaker 2: a reporter named Gail Hailstorm played by Cherio Terry.
Speaker 1: They didn't even change the name. They didn't even change
Speaker 1: the name of that character. Yeah, they changed the spelling.
Speaker 1: Chario terry. Not fair.
Speaker 2: Not fair. So the teens are wondering if Drew's death
Speaker 2: had something to do with them accidentally killing a man
Speaker 2: last year, and this is when we get the flashback
Speaker 2: that's a direct reference to I Know what You Did
Speaker 2: last summer where they hit a man with their car,
Speaker 2: dump him in the sea and agree to never tell
Speaker 2: anyone about it, although Cindy's like, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 2: we should tell the police.
Speaker 1: It's so weird because I feel like you could take
Speaker 1: that sequence out of the movie and nothing would change.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: But there was one joke, okay, there was one joke
Speaker 1: I liked in that sequence where the guy is fine,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and he's like, oh good, no worries. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, this is like a fun studio comedy
Speaker 1: joke where that But then of course the Ray character
Speaker 1: is like, I'll grab his ass. You're like, what there
Speaker 1: is okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So we cut back to
Speaker 2: the present. The reporter Gail approaches a character named Officer
Speaker 2: Doofy to try to get more information about Drew's murder,
Speaker 2: and we will talk about all of the very ablest
Speaker 2: things that are happening around this.
Speaker 1: Gundar fucking believable. I mean, and this is this character
Speaker 1: is directly and offensively mapped on the David Arquette character
Speaker 1: from Scream, whose officer Dewey get it?
Speaker 2: Whoa Yeah anyway, Okay. Meanwhile, at school, the ghostface killer
Speaker 2: is kind of like lurking around. He's leaving notes for Cindy.
Speaker 2: He leaves a photo for Greg, which is like this
Speaker 2: extended small penis joke. Then there's a scene where Buffy
Speaker 2: is participating in a beauty pageant and the killer murders
Speaker 2: Greg as he's watching his girlfriend like be in the
Speaker 2: beauty pageant. Actually, I kind of like that joke too,
Speaker 2: where it's like she will now do a dramatic reading
Speaker 2: and she like gives this performance which is just reacting
Speaker 2: to seeing her boyfriend. Right, yeah, it works. Yeah, more
Speaker 2: stuff like that, please, less of all the other horrible stuff.
Speaker 1: Or you know, just don't make the movie.
Speaker 2: Just don't make the movie was a completely movie necessary?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: So then she witnesses her boyfriend Greg being murdered. At home,
Speaker 2: Cindy gets a call from the killer who is inside
Speaker 2: her house and he attacks her, but then the cops
Speaker 2: show up and her boyfriend Bobby shows up and he
Speaker 2: has like the killer's knife and phone and gloves on him,
Speaker 2: so he seems very suspicious and is arrested. So then
Speaker 2: Sydney not Sydney, that's the Scream character Cindy. Cindy goes
Speaker 2: to spend the night with Buffy and then she gets
Speaker 2: another phone call from the killer, so it seems like,
Speaker 2: oh no, they locked up the wrong guy. And of
Speaker 2: course this also happens in Scream. So any drum had
Speaker 2: attention that you might be expecting from a movie while
Speaker 2: it's not really there because you already know what happens
Speaker 2: because they did it.
Speaker 1: And also you don't like one of the big successes
Speaker 1: of Cream.
Speaker 2: Five Cream, what is it? I?
Speaker 1: Oh, man, I liked five Cream And maybe maybe it's
Speaker 1: because I just I ride for Jenna Ortega, I have
Speaker 1: a crush on Jack Quaid. That movie works for me. Anyways.
Speaker 1: One of the successes of Scream is that it's clearly
Speaker 1: like commenting on stuff, but it still manages to like
Speaker 1: write characters that you care about for sure. Cannot be said.
Speaker 1: Cannot be said, especially because our final girl character the
Speaker 1: movie hates her. There is a running joke, well I
Speaker 1: would say it. I think it happens she's physically thrown
Speaker 1: around by various characters Cindy in multiple points. Yeah, Cindy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's supposed to like build. I think that the
Speaker 1: three is like the first one is, you know, she's
Speaker 1: like pushed a little bit. The second one she's like
Speaker 1: body slammed you hear bones crack. Oh yeah, and then
Speaker 1: later she's blasted into the ceiling with come, which is
Speaker 1: I think one of the least pleasant things I've ever
Speaker 1: seen committed to film. Yeah, it's clearly a mannequin. But
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 2: Happens again in Scary Movie too, during the scene the
Speaker 2: references Titanic, and so that feels like a crime.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, yeah, I Regina Hall luckily. I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to see her in War, but I feel
Speaker 1: like Regina Hall has been able to escape this type
Speaker 1: of movie. I just feel like someone someone, someone Hollywood
Speaker 1: elite listening to our show, someone rescue Anna Faris from
Speaker 1: this type of movie. It's just not fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, So anyway, the killer calls Cindy, so she's like, oh, no,
Speaker 2: it couldn't have been my boyfriend because he's in jail now,
Speaker 2: So who's calling me? And Bobby is released. Meanwhile, for
Speaker 2: some reason, Buffy does not believe that the killer is
Speaker 2: harassing Cindy, even though Buffy saw her boyfriend get murdered
Speaker 2: by the killer. Yeah, but this movie isn't interested in
Speaker 2: allowing women to have thoughts or logic.
Speaker 1: I literally do think, yeah, that they were just like
Speaker 1: Bimbo and they cast who, by all accounts, seems to
Speaker 1: be a lovely person. She's a huge animal rights advocate.
Speaker 1: But Shannon Elizabeth, who plays this character, was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't know this because I wasn't horny at the time,
Speaker 1: but you know, she was, like I guess, considered like
Speaker 1: a sex symbol of the time. She's also in the
Speaker 1: American Pie movies, so I feel like even having her
Speaker 1: in this kind of role was sort of meant to
Speaker 1: signal like, don't take this character seriously for sure, which
Speaker 1: is horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the character in America and Pie who And
Speaker 2: I forget exactly how this plays out in that movie
Speaker 2: because not that I'm ever gonna fucking revisit.
Speaker 1: That, but like, I totally wiped it from my memory.
Speaker 1: I don't remember a single.
Speaker 2: Thing it again. It was unfortunately a movie that I
Speaker 2: was the target demo for when it came out, so yeah,
Speaker 2: I was familiar with it. But uh, like the big
Speaker 2: scene with her is when she's like undressing in front
Speaker 2: of a webcam, but I think doesn't know oh, because
Speaker 2: the Jason Biggs character, like, God, she's like, whatever, change
Speaker 2: clothes in my room, and then he like sets up
Speaker 2: a webcam that's like broadcasting video of her undressing, which
Speaker 2: she does not know about, and like broadcasting it to
Speaker 2: like everyone at school. And it's so it's like extremely
Speaker 2: exploitative and horrible, and that's like what made her famous.
Speaker 2: That's what she's famous for.
Speaker 1: We've and we've talked about this multiple times in the show,
Speaker 1: but I really do feel like the late nineties into
Speaker 1: the early two thousands was one of the low points
Speaker 1: for representation of women in general, which is wild, but
Speaker 1: I really do think it was like done better in
Speaker 1: the eighties and the seventies.
Speaker 2: I kept thinking as I was watching this that this
Speaker 2: movie is just like very emblematic of what American culture
Speaker 2: thought was edgy comedy. Yeah at that time, Like this
Speaker 2: is just like you need a reference point, like this
Speaker 2: is it. This is what we thought was good and funny.
Speaker 1: Right, And it's like and it bears out because it
Speaker 1: was like one of the most successful comedies like ever.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's so weird, especially after having covered
Speaker 1: Young Frankenstein, a movie that came out nearly thirty years
Speaker 1: before this one. You know, there we had plenty of
Speaker 1: notes about it, and women do not play a you know,
Speaker 1: or anyone but sis, men don't play a significant role
Speaker 1: in the movie. But it's still there's far less to
Speaker 1: talk about than this. It's just wild, not to say
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess like tempering that with I'm sure
Speaker 1: that there were plenty of broad comedies in the seventies
Speaker 1: that were offensive in the way that this is, but
Speaker 1: this is like one of the definitive comedies of the
Speaker 1: early two thousands, And what does that say.
Speaker 2: I also just to take another little tangent here to
Speaker 2: prep to prepare for the new Naked Gun movie, which
Speaker 2: I do think I'll see. But I was hanging out
Speaker 2: with Brian the other night and he was like, let's
Speaker 2: watch the first Naked Gun and I was like, sure,
Speaker 2: I'll rewatch it, and then I realized I was like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, I've never seen this. My point is
Speaker 2: that it's not, you know, a beacon of representation or
Speaker 2: inclusivity or anything like that. I mean, O. J. Simpson
Speaker 2: is in the movie for crying out on but it's
Speaker 2: actually pretty funny, Like I was, like the jokes, most
Speaker 2: of the jokes are not wildly problematic, and most of
Speaker 2: them are like pretty funny, goofy, like spoofy slapstick stuff.
Speaker 1: Sure, I feel the same way. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in a long time, but like Airplane,
Speaker 1: I feel playing in the same category there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So it's very possible to like do a
Speaker 2: silly spoof that isn't horrendously problematic.
Speaker 1: But I think it gets back to what you're saying
Speaker 1: where it's like it's a clear part of this movie's
Speaker 1: agenda to be edgy, which I would say is not
Speaker 1: really true of those other movies, like their number one
Speaker 1: goal is for it to be funny, where I've like this,
Speaker 1: this movie's number one goal is to be edgy to teenagers,
Speaker 1: and it does appear that it was successful. But is
Speaker 1: that a worthy goal?
Speaker 2: I would say no. No. So the Buffy character is
Speaker 2: like mocking her friend Cindy, being like, oh, you silly goose,
Speaker 2: You're lying about being hers by a murderer. He's not
Speaker 2: even real. And then the killer goes after Buffy and
Speaker 2: murders her.
Speaker 1: Well, she is a bimbo, so of course she's gotta go. Yes.
Speaker 2: We cut to Brenda and Ray at the movies. They're
Speaker 2: watching Shakespeare in Love, which is kind of hilarious to.
Speaker 1: Me, so bizarre because it's like they would have had
Speaker 1: to have gotten the rights for that. I'm curious what
Speaker 1: the story behind that is. Yeah, I didn't hate that joke,
Speaker 1: but I was just like, how did they make that? Oh?
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm pretty sure that that's a Miramax movie.
Speaker 1: Oh Okay, that's almost certainly what it was, because there's
Speaker 1: all of that really unfortunate, disgusting. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of anecdotes about Harvey Weinstein connected to Shakespeare in Love,
Speaker 1: where basically he bought that movie oscars and also I
Speaker 1: believe harassed Gwyneth Paltrow Miscoop herself. Anyways, I'm guessing that
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Is that is, I wouldn't surprised
Speaker 1: that was the Weinstein brothers just doing a random victory
Speaker 1: lap for a bunch of oscars that they purchased.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that said, I do like the movie Shakespeare in Love.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. I've never seen it. It should
Speaker 1: be covered.
Speaker 2: I've seen it in a while. I think we'd have
Speaker 2: some stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'm down.
Speaker 2: In any case, Ray and Brenda are watching Shakespeare in Love.
Speaker 2: Ray goes into the bathroom and gets stabbed in the
Speaker 2: head by a penis you know what what?
Speaker 1: I obviously wrote that down, But this movie is so
Speaker 1: full to the broom with stuff like that that I
Speaker 1: honestly kind of forgot already that that happens.
Speaker 2: That happens. And then while this is happening, Brenda is
Speaker 2: in a very like caricaturish stereotypical way, is loudly talking
Speaker 2: throughout the movie, and the audience around her is getting
Speaker 2: very annoyed, so they all stab and kill her. And
Speaker 2: this entire sequence is a reference to Scream two.
Speaker 1: I see. Okay, I did not know that. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: that I like that. I'm glad that there is that
Speaker 1: Regina Hall brief interview clip about it. I wasn't able
Speaker 1: to find her talking about scary movie very much elsewhere,
Speaker 1: which is fair. But that's like the like loud girl
Speaker 1: stereotype that she's talking about, right, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, in some ways, I'm like, I,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a white girl. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: it's my place to criticize necessarily. But also I think,
Speaker 1: like listening to Regina Hall talk about like that is
Speaker 1: very telling. So yeah, I'm gonna say I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 1: I think that sucks. I think it sucks. It sucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okay. So at Cindy's house, meanwhile, a party
Speaker 2: is happening and the killer goes after a woman in
Speaker 2: the garage and she's killed by the garage door, which
Speaker 2: is another direct reference to a scene from the first
Speaker 2: Scream movie, except this time it's very fat phobic.
Speaker 3: Hm.
Speaker 1: Because they had to get that in as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, it seems like they just had a
Speaker 2: checklist for I mean, honestly.
Speaker 1: Because at some point you're like, well, I mean, at
Speaker 1: some point I remember thinking, I'm like, I'm waiting for
Speaker 1: a transphobic joke. Oh, and I didn't have to wait long.
Speaker 2: Nope, did I even include that in? Oh I don't
Speaker 2: even include that scene in the recap because I just
Speaker 2: wanted to barrel pasted.
Speaker 1: But because most well, yeah, I mean I don't even
Speaker 1: remember at what point in the movie that happens, because again,
Speaker 1: it's just very random. It's a scene. It's just Okay.
Speaker 1: The character's name is miss Man, and yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: brain power level we're working with here, played by Jane.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say her last name, Jane.
Speaker 2: Not enough trick of vowels in it.
Speaker 1: Missing a vowel, is what I would say to Jane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Jane is a bodybuilder in real life. But I
Speaker 1: feel like we're supposed to interpret her character as a
Speaker 1: trans woman, do you like, due to the character miss.
Speaker 2: Man and the character having testicals and a penis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like a horrific transphobic joke that the
Speaker 1: more I learned about, the worse it gets somehow.
Speaker 2: Because at first she's the joke is that she's a
Speaker 2: stereotypical gym teacher like predatory lesbian with masculine features who
Speaker 2: is like preying on her students. Then the joke becomes
Speaker 2: that she's a trans woman whose testicles are hanging out
Speaker 2: of her underwear, and everything about it is horrific, And again.
Speaker 1: Like in a similar vein, I think it's somehow worse,
Speaker 1: but in a similar vein to the repeated homophobic joke
Speaker 1: with Ray that Ray is attracted to every man he
Speaker 1: meets and will assault every man he meets if given
Speaker 1: the opportunity. The same logic is put onto the only
Speaker 1: canonically trans character also played by a SIS actor, Like
Speaker 1: just it's it's a nightmare. And I also really feel
Speaker 1: for Jane Tricca in this scenario too, because she's a
Speaker 1: professional athlete. This is her first movie appearance she's ever
Speaker 1: been in, and you know, it's just like it's it's
Speaker 1: horrifically transphobic first and foremost. And I also think it
Speaker 1: just like says a lot of anytime you see a woman, sis,
Speaker 1: trans whatever that is strong, it is made a joke
Speaker 1: of and I definitely hate that. And yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's interesting, well that have we ever talked about the
Speaker 1: predatory gym teacher trope on this show because it is
Speaker 1: such a thing and I think it does like run
Speaker 1: the spectrum of gender as well. But I think, like,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, if the character is coded as a woman,
Speaker 1: it's a predatory lesbian. But I'm also thinking of the
Speaker 1: coach from Mean Girls as like a predatory man, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of Sue Sylvester. You know, like you're just
Speaker 1: you're just thinking of a lot of characters, and Sue
Speaker 1: Sylvester is an icon, Make no mistake, She's a legend.
Speaker 1: She's a problematic legend. But there's the trope, you know.
Speaker 2: Yea, Jane Trica, I'll just read you a list of
Speaker 2: the names of characters she has played in movies. In
Speaker 2: addition to Miss Man and her character, she's played a
Speaker 2: character named buff Babe bodybuilder guard Amazon, which I'm guessing
Speaker 2: refers to like wonder Woman and a tall Amazon woman
Speaker 2: kind of thing. Yeah, hospital security and bull Dyke number two. Like, so,
Speaker 2: if you're wondering if she has been type.
Speaker 1: Cast, yes, a yes, I would say yes, certainly. Yes.
Speaker 1: I will say. One of her cooler roles is she's
Speaker 1: in the Telephone music video with Lady Gaga and Beyonce.
Speaker 1: I watched the cliff because I was like, where is
Speaker 1: she in that? She's one of the prison guards who
Speaker 1: like brings Lady Gaga into the prison in that so,
Speaker 1: I'm like, at least after all this fucking bullshit she
Speaker 1: had to deal with, she got to hang out with
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga. Yeah, I guess that. I guess that's my
Speaker 1: whole feeling there. But I was like just relieved to
Speaker 1: see like someone on this list of collaborators who am
Speaker 1: like Oho, it seems like probably was respectful and kind
Speaker 1: to her.
Speaker 2: I hope.
Speaker 1: So also she is on Who's line? That's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah she did. She made a cameo appearance as
Speaker 1: herself on the Drew Carey Show. I'd be curious to
Speaker 1: know how she's framed, but she appears at herself and
Speaker 1: then apparently she and she and Drew hit it off
Speaker 1: because she was on whose line a couple times in
Speaker 1: the early two thousands, no kidding, and she was on
Speaker 1: Tim and Eric at one point. I don't feel it
Speaker 1: as so, you know, I I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: She's Jane come on the show. But yeah, she does
Speaker 1: not return to this Gary movie franchise after this, and
Speaker 1: I'm glad for it because it's just like, that joke
Speaker 1: is offensive, but it's offensive on far more levels than
Speaker 1: I even understood one. So yeah, and as with many
Speaker 1: of the jokes at age horrifically with this movie, it
Speaker 1: has no bearing on the plot and could have been
Speaker 1: taken out.
Speaker 2: Indeed, Yeah, other things that could have been taken out.
Speaker 2: Is the storyline where Cindy is like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: should I have sex with my boyfriend who keeps trying
Speaker 2: to assault me. She decides at the party after drinking
Speaker 2: a lot, and so we can, you know, we'll talk
Speaker 2: all about this. But she is finally ready to have
Speaker 2: sex with Bobby, so she and him go to her room. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the Killer is busy smoking weed with Shorty and his
Speaker 2: stoner friends.
Speaker 1: This is the main scene I knew from this movie.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay because I remember seeing it like Halloween stores,
Speaker 1: they'd be the ghost face mask and then the stoner
Speaker 1: GHEs face.
Speaker 2: Mask, right, yeah, so he's he's just having a fun
Speaker 2: time and then he accidentally kills a bunch of the stoners. Sure,
Speaker 2: and then I guess he's like, oh right, I have
Speaker 2: to continue the plot of the movie. So then he
Speaker 2: comes into Cindy's room after she and Bobby have had sex,
Speaker 2: and it seems like the Killer stabs Bobby. But twist,
Speaker 2: it's the same ending as and there are two killers.
Speaker 1: I was so like, really really, and then they do
Speaker 1: add their own twist, But it's maybe the worst piece
Speaker 1: of friend ever committed to film.
Speaker 2: The twist is that Bobby is gay and has been
Speaker 2: I guess this whole time, and then.
Speaker 1: That Ray isn't is not gay, Okay.
Speaker 2: So we just don't really know what's happening about that.
Speaker 1: So we're laughing and it's funny.
Speaker 2: Okay. So so they're working in cahoots, Bobby and Ray,
Speaker 2: and they're doing the thing where they're like, okay, we
Speaker 2: kind of have to like frame someone else, so we
Speaker 2: have to stab each other. Ray stabs Bobby, but then
Speaker 2: a third ghost face killer shows up and stabs Ray.
Speaker 2: So those guys are dead now. And then this other
Speaker 2: ghost face killer tries to kill Cindy. There's a whole
Speaker 2: Matrix reference where they're like battling each other.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing clips of this. The number of bad
Speaker 1: Matrix parities done in the years after the Matrix is
Speaker 1: just like also as wild that like this movie came
Speaker 1: out because The Matrix came out in ninety nine. This
Speaker 1: movie came out in I mean, I know this movie
Speaker 1: was like made in just a couple of months, right,
Speaker 1: But if nothing else, the joke was topical. The joke sucks,
Speaker 1: but it was it was you know, the turnaround time
Speaker 1: is pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: I agree, you know what matrix reference in a movie
Speaker 2: that comes out after the matrix is good? What Shrek.
Speaker 1: So true? I'm so glad you said that. I feel
Speaker 1: better now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Just ignore the matrix reference in scary movie.
Speaker 2: Think about the matrix reference in Shrek one.
Speaker 1: Yes, which is tasteful and really impressive because it came
Speaker 1: out two years later and it was animated. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: in a way even more impressive. There you go.
Speaker 2: Anyway, So this third ghost face killer, he like, escapes
Speaker 2: and presumably he's the person who the teens accidentally hit
Speaker 2: with their car last year. So the sheriff questions Cindy.
Speaker 2: She tells him about like, oh, yeah, it's probably this
Speaker 2: guy who we dumped in the ocean, and the sheriff
Speaker 2: is like, no, we found that guy. We found his
Speaker 2: dead body, so the killer has to be someone else.
Speaker 2: And then Cindy realizes its officer Doofy. There's a Usual
Speaker 2: Suspects reference where Doofy changes his gait, his appearance, his
Speaker 2: way of speaking.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know what that was a reference to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Usual Suspects. And now he's like cool and
Speaker 2: sexy question mark and he escapes with Gail Hailstorm. The end.
Speaker 1: Well, I think let's just talk about Officer Doofy right now,
Speaker 1: because it's just it is really awful, obviously because it
Speaker 1: is a one of the most broad offensive performances of
Speaker 1: a developmentally disabled character like ever committed, played by an
Speaker 1: actor who is not developmentally disabled, a guy named Dave
Speaker 1: Sheridan whatever. I don't know who this guy is, but
Speaker 1: I mean it's horrible and also not unusual for this time.
Speaker 1: I feel like it is important to mention across genres.
Speaker 1: I think it was still in the two thousands and
Speaker 1: throughout the film prior to this time. This is I
Speaker 1: think one of the more offensive displays of this trope,
Speaker 1: but actors playing developmentally disabled characters was very normal at
Speaker 1: this time. I think that the reason it's more offensive
Speaker 1: in this case is because it is in this like
Speaker 1: edgy broad comedy. But I'm also thinking of movies like
Speaker 1: I Am Sam, which came out with Sean Penn around
Speaker 1: this time. I'm thinking about True Confessions with Shilah buff
Speaker 1: I think about even going back Rauh, Dustin Hoffman and
Speaker 1: rain Man. I mean, like there is.
Speaker 2: I mean Forrest Gumpchorrest Gump.
Speaker 1: It was considered I think in the drama category it
Speaker 1: was considered oscar bait to do this oh very long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is very true.
Speaker 1: And in this case, obviously Dave Sheridan is not going
Speaker 1: for an oscar with this performance. He's just being extremely
Speaker 1: offensive and the whole I mean, and just humiliating the
Speaker 1: character in every way you could possibly imagine. They're humiliating him,
Speaker 1: like hygienically, they're humiliating him sexually, and also the predatory
Speaker 1: nature of the Shoreio Terry character in this like is
Speaker 1: just above and beyond. And then to learn that this
Speaker 1: was all done in service of the twist being he's
Speaker 1: not actually developmentally disabled, which, on top of it being offensive,
Speaker 1: makes no sense because he's Buffy. He's been Buffy's brother
Speaker 1: his entire life, Like, what do you mean He's been
Speaker 1: undercover for the plot of Scary Movie his entire life, right,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. Like, so, on top of being
Speaker 1: offensive and bad for two thousand offensive, it also makes
Speaker 1: no sense, like.
Speaker 2: It's utterly nonsensical, as are most of the jokes in
Speaker 2: the movie, which are also incredibly problematic. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just it's exhausting in Scary Movie too.
Speaker 1: What's what's he in Gilbert Gray? Sorry, I just thought
Speaker 1: of another. Oh yeah, sorry, could you oh correct? In
Speaker 1: Scary Movie two, ableism is also leaned into with a
Speaker 1: David Cross character and a Chris Elliott character. Interesting, and
Speaker 1: so many jokes are made at both of their expenses
Speaker 1: in really horrifying ways. But yeah, I mean I didn't
Speaker 1: even write down a whole lot of specifics. I just
Speaker 1: sort of went through the list of like I unfortunately did.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just wanted to sort of close out
Speaker 1: the discussion of Officer doofy. What it comes back to
Speaker 1: is like, like we've talked about, and I think as
Speaker 1: has become more standard practice, although not perfect, in the
Speaker 1: last ten to fifteen years, is that disabled actors should
Speaker 1: be playing disabled characters. And we've seen that in I mean,
Speaker 1: the movie that comes immediately to mind is Coda, and
Speaker 1: I know that, like unfortunately it's a Shilah buff movie.
Speaker 1: But The Peanut Butter Falcon is another movie. But a
Speaker 1: disabled actor would never want to be in this movie
Speaker 1: because the part is specifically written to punch down at them.
Speaker 1: And so it's like there is this twohund or going
Speaker 1: on where first of all, it's clear that the production
Speaker 1: of this movie would never consider hiring a disabled actor.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, they've written a part that
Speaker 1: is so offensive that a disabled actor would very likely
Speaker 1: never want to play it. So it's just like, I
Speaker 1: don't know it's creating it like reminds me of in
Speaker 1: different ways, but like in terms of inclusivity, how can
Speaker 1: a movie like this be inclusive when it is such
Speaker 1: a hostile environment creatively, right, where Like I've felt this
Speaker 1: way in different writers rooms I've been in right where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this is this movie is or this
Speaker 1: this room is heavily white men, especially like the further
Speaker 1: back you go, and you're like, okay, like the should
Speaker 1: be more diversity in this room. But how could there
Speaker 1: be more diversity in this room when it's so hostile
Speaker 1: to people who aren't white men? Like if I'm a
Speaker 1: white girl and I'm struggling in here, how Like it's
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know it. I feel like it
Speaker 1: really speaks to a very particular kind of comedy that
Speaker 1: is just like with some exceptions, And again I'm saying
Speaker 1: this about the two thousands, Wayne's brother world, right, but
Speaker 1: like it's just it's hostile for sure.
Speaker 2: I hate it and not that you'd really know based
Speaker 2: on how certain characters are written and portrayed in the movie.
Speaker 2: But this is a movie that's written and directed by
Speaker 2: black filmmakers. And as we already talked about with the
Speaker 2: Brenda character, and I would also say with the shorty character,
Speaker 2: still like lean into stereotypes about black characters.
Speaker 1: Which I think is like, I would be curious because
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't know. Again, two white people
Speaker 1: tell me so, grain of salt. But again, like this
Speaker 1: with this Regina Hall clip, she does reference that. She's like,
Speaker 1: you know, part of the reason she decided to do
Speaker 1: Scary movie was because it was a parody, and so
Speaker 1: I think in her estimation at the time, she's like, well, yes,
Speaker 1: this is a very broad stereotype of black characters, but
Speaker 1: it's being written and directed by black creators, and it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be a parody of this broad character we
Speaker 1: see all the time, including in both of the movies.
Speaker 1: This movie is ripping off, which point fairly taken. But
Speaker 1: if that is the intention, which I totally believe it
Speaker 1: could be, it's not successful because it's not subverting anything.
Speaker 1: It's just doing it right. Worse right, like it's doing
Speaker 1: it worse. So how is that? I don't know where
Speaker 1: it's like, And again you get like shades of commentary
Speaker 1: that like the Wayne's brothers are fucking famously gray at
Speaker 1: like Hollywood shuffle dude. Like I think like the two
Speaker 1: jokes that felt like it wasn't just copy pasting a
Speaker 1: stereotype was the Titanic slash Amistad two joke, which if
Speaker 1: you haven't seen the movie first and foremost don't, but
Speaker 1: basically you see black characters saying I'm the King of
Speaker 1: the World a law Jack Dawson, and then it's revealed
Speaker 1: that it's on the Amistad a slave ship. Dark joke,
Speaker 1: but clearly trying to say something in the same way
Speaker 1: that like the in one of the many shot for
Speaker 1: shot parodies of Scream where Cindy has to like input,
Speaker 1: like what's your emergency and she puts in white women
Speaker 1: in trouble cut two cops, twelve cruisers like that it's funny,
Speaker 1: that's a that's like saying something. But the way that
Speaker 1: Brenda's character is written, like what is it doing if
Speaker 1: not just the stereotype, Like it's not meaningfully subverting it
Speaker 1: in any way, which is frustrating because you know that
Speaker 1: the Waynes brothers can and have done that, so why
Speaker 1: not here, And also especially with like the only black
Speaker 1: women in the movie, as Regina Hall, like I'm just like, ugh,
Speaker 1: it sucks, it sucks. And then yeah, Ray's character is
Speaker 1: I think generally more they're the oh well, all of
Speaker 1: the gay jokes are are Ray. I can't even too
Speaker 1: many to remember, too many to remember, but they're they're
Speaker 1: written to threaten other characters. They're written to humiliate Regina
Speaker 1: Hall's character, and that's generally what they're there to do,
Speaker 1: and to imply that he just will do sexual things
Speaker 1: to people without their consent, the finger and the butt
Speaker 1: in the car, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it is horrible stuff like that. It is
Speaker 2: just like the general over sexualization of women between Carmen
Speaker 2: Electra at the beginning of the movie and then the
Speaker 2: Shannon Elizabeth character throughout the rest of the movie.
Speaker 1: And then the Anna Faris character too, Like the Anna
Speaker 1: Faris character is treated horribly and like you know, there,
Speaker 1: yes the bombshell quote unquote characters, characters interesting way that
Speaker 1: Anna Faris would later herself play but isn't playing in
Speaker 1: this movie because she's either was originally brunette or is
Speaker 1: wearing a brunette wig. I actually don't know which because
Speaker 1: she was late she's now famously blonde, but who knows.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like a die job.
Speaker 1: Hard to say, but she's playing the Sydney character who
Speaker 1: in the Kevin Williamson script is like not ready to
Speaker 1: lose her frigay whatever, which is commenting on Final Girl tropes.
Speaker 1: Uh right, Like that is the point of that character.
Speaker 1: But this movie is just like, well, what if we
Speaker 1: took that and made her not comment on anything but
Speaker 1: be a prude who we don't like, someone who is
Speaker 1: physically assaulted, someone who does lose her virginity when extremely
Speaker 1: drunk and gets blasted to the ceiling by com uh
Speaker 1: it just like she's yeah, the Cindy character, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was maybe just because and
Speaker 1: this is doesn't speak while either of like the Kermin
Speaker 1: Electric character. Everything they can do with her in five
Speaker 1: minutes they do in a way that is also commenting
Speaker 1: on her own career because you have the bay watchment whatever.
Speaker 2: And then she gets stabbed in the chest and like
Speaker 2: a silicone implant is pulled out and like that's a
Speaker 2: joke and sucks.
Speaker 1: It fucking sucks, But I yeah, I mean down to
Speaker 1: like I think that for me, like of all of
Speaker 1: the misguided and actively hostile things that this movie does,
Speaker 1: I think the treatment of the final girl's very telling
Speaker 1: because that is like such a horror movie classic and
Speaker 1: something that like Scream famously handles pretty well.
Speaker 2: Right because the Cindy character does have sex, and the
Speaker 2: trope of any sexually active woman has to be murdered
Speaker 2: in a slash suer movie that gets subverted in Scream
Speaker 2: because she has sex and she survives and it's.
Speaker 1: But the last shot of the movie is Cindy getting
Speaker 1: hit by a card, right like it's just like it.
Speaker 2: Also, it just seems that either scary movie doesn't understand
Speaker 2: what trope was being subverted in Scream, or they don't
Speaker 2: care because they're just.
Speaker 1: Like I would guess it's the it's the latter because
Speaker 1: I think that they're just like going for the edgiest
Speaker 1: laugh available at any given moment, because it's like these
Speaker 1: are smart writers, like there is so it's I just it.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I feel like the the litmus test for
Speaker 1: how this movie works, it sort of hangs in like
Speaker 1: how this indie character is treated and she's treated like
Speaker 1: a body, Like she's just treated like a body the
Speaker 1: entire time, and it sucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again with her whole arc where she's
Speaker 2: you know, deciding whether or not or if and when
Speaker 2: she's going to feel ready to have sex for the
Speaker 2: first time. Like a story about a teen girl coming
Speaker 2: into her like sexual readiness can be a very compelling story,
Speaker 2: but the movie doesn't handle this with any kind of nuance.
Speaker 2: So much of it is.
Speaker 1: Because the movie hates women like them and for it
Speaker 1: not to be like old school Bechtel cast, But like,
Speaker 1: how else do you possibly just ribe the attitude towards
Speaker 1: women in this movie? They just hate. The movie hates
Speaker 1: you know, do the Wayne's brothers hate women? I hope not,
Speaker 1: but this movie definitely does.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, And with other examples we see too, where
Speaker 2: it's jokes that are disparaging of women who are sex workers.
Speaker 2: The yeah, I remember that all the times that like
Speaker 2: the Cindy character like gets the shit beaten out of
Speaker 2: her by a man, and that's the joke.
Speaker 1: Right, that's like a runner, that's the runner, And it
Speaker 1: like peaks with her getting like come blasted or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's just really really nasty.
Speaker 2: It's really nasty.
Speaker 1: And this is our protagonist, Like the movie hates its protagonist.
Speaker 1: What else do you need to know?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did make note of a few jokes that
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, yeah, sheate the comedy in this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're okay.
Speaker 2: The first one, I think it starts out seeming like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're gonna say something here, but then it just kidding
Speaker 2: where Buffy and Cindy and Brenda have like linked up
Speaker 2: and they're like walking around the campus of their school
Speaker 2: or whatever, and Buffy is saying, oh, you know, I
Speaker 2: just want to like help people and feed hungry people,
Speaker 2: and then the character who is coded as an unhoused
Speaker 2: man approaches them and asks them for a dollar. Buffy
Speaker 2: screams after she has just said, like I want to
Speaker 2: help feed hungry people, but she's like, oh, get away
Speaker 2: from me. So it seems like, okay, that's commentary on
Speaker 2: the way that people tend to treat unhoused people and
Speaker 2: dehumanize them and be unwilling to help them. Cindy is
Speaker 2: then like no, no, no, can't you see he's hungry
Speaker 2: and she gives him a sandwich and We're like, okay,
Speaker 2: that that could have been something. But then the unhoused
Speaker 2: man says, I said I wanted a dollar, you bitch,
Speaker 2: and then throws the sandwich at bad.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Which plays into all of these nasty stereotypes around
Speaker 1: on house people is that they are you know, hostile
Speaker 1: and misogynist and horrible. I think, what is the I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's not the commentary is bad fundamentally, I do
Speaker 1: think that, and they're not trying to do this, but
Speaker 1: I do think it's like if you're trying, if you're
Speaker 1: speaking with an unhoused person and you're trying to figure out, like,
Speaker 1: you know, what she should have done there is ask
Speaker 1: them what they need, like what can I help you with?
Speaker 1: Versus like because I know that there's just like a
Speaker 1: billion stories of like you know, someone who needs help
Speaker 1: with male who needs help with their ID, and then
Speaker 1: you know, like some well intentioned person who is not
Speaker 1: listening gives them a granola bar and calls it a day,
Speaker 1: and they're like, I'm an amazing person. So it's like there,
Speaker 1: you know, again, there was an opportunity for a joke
Speaker 1: that was not punching down at an unhoused character, and
Speaker 1: that could even have been like commenting on Anna Faris's
Speaker 1: character of like thinking she was doing a good thing
Speaker 1: while also demonstrating that she wasn't listening and was sort
Speaker 1: of doing that more for herself then for the person
Speaker 1: she was talking to. But again, kind of a pointless
Speaker 1: thing to bring up because that's clearly not what they
Speaker 1: were trying to do. Yeah, and it never comes back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that that was almost interesting with the Shannon
Speaker 1: Elizabeth thing, but then it like undercuts its own commentary immediately.
Speaker 2: Sure, and then you have the Bobby character, who a
Speaker 2: bunch of stereotypes about, you know, people living in poverty
Speaker 2: are deployed here where he lives in like a rundown
Speaker 2: trailer and.
Speaker 1: The next door to the school. Also, I was like,
Speaker 1: on time, there's so many jokes in this movie that,
Speaker 1: on top of being offensive, are also confusing, where it's
Speaker 1: like what is like.
Speaker 2: Huh, It's confusing. And also he's like he's an abusive person.
Speaker 2: He yeah, is constantly wearing his girlfriend Cindy down and
Speaker 2: trying to pressure her into performing sexual acts for him
Speaker 2: and all this stuff. So yeah, just a lot of
Speaker 2: nasty stuff. The jokes that I do that I do
Speaker 2: like because there are a handful early on the characters
Speaker 2: are like, if this were a horror movie, they'd cast
Speaker 2: people in their late twenties and early thirties to play us.
Speaker 2: And then it's visibly a cast of people in their
Speaker 2: late twenties and thirties.
Speaker 1: Thirties feels generous for a couple.
Speaker 2: The scene where I think it's after Buffy has died
Speaker 2: or something like. The joke is that Cindy and Bobby
Speaker 2: are talking a about someone and you assume that it's
Speaker 2: one of their friends, maybe Buffy, maybe someone. But they're like,
Speaker 2: she's gone and she's not coming back. And Bobby's like,
Speaker 2: that was over a year ago. You have to move on.
Speaker 2: And then Cindy says, but Ginger was such an important
Speaker 2: member of the Spice Girls.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm laughing.
Speaker 2: That's a funny joke.
Speaker 1: That's funny. That's funny.
Speaker 2: The scene where the woman goes into the garage to
Speaker 2: get more beer. Obviously, again there's a lot of fat
Speaker 2: phobia surrounding this character, and.
Speaker 1: If you could even call them a character, because who
Speaker 1: is this person?
Speaker 2: Well, she she kind of makes a joke about that.
Speaker 2: She's like, come on, I'm just a day player, yeah,
Speaker 2: which oh yeah, yeah, funny, funny. And then upon her
Speaker 2: first going into the garage, there's some disturbance and then
Speaker 2: it's revealed to be a cat and she's like, oh, kitty,
Speaker 2: you scared me. And then there's another one and then
Speaker 2: there's a horse there. Yeah, she says, you scared me. Funny.
Speaker 1: That felt like a very like mel Brooksy kind of.
Speaker 2: Joke totally, as does the joke where Cindy and Bobby
Speaker 2: are in her bedroom. She says, it's not as though
Speaker 2: this is a movie, and he's like, it is a movie. See,
Speaker 2: there's the sound guy, there's the script supervisor.
Speaker 1: The same thing, but they bump the camera does a
Speaker 1: you know, bumps into her.
Speaker 2: Which are okay, two jokes literally from Spaceballs, where a
Speaker 2: camera like pulls into far and like bonks the Rick
Speaker 2: Morana's character on the head. And then there's another.
Speaker 1: That's the reason I have to watch Spaceballs is because
Speaker 1: I have a forever crash on.
Speaker 2: Rick moranis well you know who else is in it,
Speaker 2: John Candy, also Bill Pullman and also Joan Rivers. It's
Speaker 2: a great cast.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's like a lot of crushes. That's a lot.
Speaker 1: That's a lot wow, Bill Pullman, and then there and
Speaker 1: then there's the Bill Pullman too, I know, all right.
Speaker 2: And then there's also a scene in Spaceballs where they
Speaker 2: have to figure out what to do next, so they
Speaker 2: consult the script of Spaceballs. Okay, and that's funny.
Speaker 1: Okay, fun okay, fine, you learn it's fun anyway.
Speaker 2: Every other joke though, in Scary movie is the most offensive,
Speaker 2: reductive piece of shit you couldn't even possibly think of.
Speaker 1: It sucks. It sucks, you know. Even if it is
Speaker 1: the most successful Wayne Brothers raunchy comedy, it is also
Speaker 1: the most brain dead one because I haven't watched White
Speaker 1: Girls in many years. But it's it's saying something, you know,
Speaker 1: like there isn't there's just like I think that the
Speaker 1: real issue with this movie is like that there is
Speaker 1: no agenda and it doesn't feel like the movie has
Speaker 1: a particular fondness for I mean, I think part of
Speaker 1: why if we're talking about like the differences between this
Speaker 1: and Young Frankenstein, obviously there's a lot, but I feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of why even the more badly aging
Speaker 1: elements of Young Frankenstein at its or you can tell
Speaker 1: that it was made by someone who has a lot
Speaker 1: of affection for the source material. I do not feel
Speaker 1: this here, but I do not feel this here. I
Speaker 1: feel like they like horror movies, but especially because the
Speaker 1: movies they ripping off are so recent. It just doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like it's because of how the joke that wins
Speaker 1: or that ends up in the final script is never
Speaker 1: what is in conversation with the source material. It's always like,
Speaker 1: what is the most edgy thing we could do in
Speaker 1: this moment. It just feels ultimately like there, from moment
Speaker 1: to moment, they're not really thinking about the source material
Speaker 1: at all. They're just like regurgitating it in a more
Speaker 1: offensive way where you know, Young Frankenstein, as we talked about,
Speaker 1: like not not all of it works, but you can
Speaker 1: tell at very least that like mel Brooks is thinking
Speaker 1: about the Frankenstein story, which again is like such a
Speaker 1: low bar to clear. But it just like in this
Speaker 1: movie that is at times a shot for shot, word
Speaker 1: for word parody of Scream, it doesn't feel like they
Speaker 1: care about what Scream was trying to do. Like there's
Speaker 1: and and the fact that you know this Sydney Cindy
Speaker 1: stand in they hate this character they're beating the shit
Speaker 1: out of her and like really not making much of
Speaker 1: an effort outside of I would say Anna Faris's performance
Speaker 1: to try to endear us to her, what is it
Speaker 1: for in that case? Like, I guess it really comes
Speaker 1: down to, like what is the function of a movie
Speaker 1: like this? And the answer is, most likely don't think
Speaker 1: too hard about it, like to make money. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a commercial endeavor. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: this is like, you know, if you're thinking logistically or
Speaker 1: the Waynes Brothers. You know, their show just got canceled
Speaker 1: and like, you know, there's a big disappointment. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: you do take the big swing and go for the
Speaker 1: big you know, brain dead studio comedy to you know,
Speaker 1: keep yourself in the game. Its streats rategically makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense, but it just feels so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say devoid of passion. It's clear that, like
Speaker 1: it seems like people are generally having fun making this
Speaker 1: terrible movie, but it just feel there's just a void
Speaker 1: about it. It feels like you're saying, it feels very
Speaker 1: very very very commercial, which isn't always a bad thing,
Speaker 1: but in this case is because it is not saying anything.
Speaker 1: It seems to have very little affection for its source material,
Speaker 1: and you know, is actively seeking to offend in a
Speaker 1: way that I mean that people still do now unfortunately,
Speaker 1: where it's like how many shitty edge lord comics you know,
Speaker 1: become infuriated when they're like, oh, you can't laugh at that,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well it wasn't funny, like you know,
Speaker 1: our choosing edginess. Well, this isn't the case for the
Speaker 1: Way Brothers, like we're There's a lot I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: like a bunch of edge large comics who who go
Speaker 1: edgy because they never were funny and now they and
Speaker 1: they need to manufacture a reason why no one is laughing,
Speaker 1: which is tragic, but many such cases. But the Winds
Speaker 1: Brothers are funny, So why are they doing this? I
Speaker 1: think it's like commercial, like it's money, a really kind
Speaker 1: of gross way to make a lot of money. I
Speaker 1: think I agree.
Speaker 2: I was looking up how this movie was reviewed at
Speaker 2: the time, and it was generally not super favorably, where
Speaker 2: a lot of critics pointed out the like crude and
Speaker 2: tasteless humor, although some of them were like, well, despite
Speaker 2: that I still lived left loved it, such as a
Speaker 2: Variety critic named Joe Leyden was basically like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: there's certainly no political correctness here, and the like limits
Speaker 2: of our rated respectability are stretched, if not shredded, but
Speaker 2: then says, but you'll laugh until you're ashamed of yourself.
Speaker 2: I mean, which honestly, in two thousand, like people were
Speaker 2: like that guy.
Speaker 1: But also it seems like that is true, and like
Speaker 1: it's so very a sign of the times that like
Speaker 1: it was so widely acceptable. And I think that, like
Speaker 1: in that review alone like speaks to how male reviews
Speaker 1: are and how directly and not to say that women
Speaker 1: didn't see and enjoy this movie. You don't make two
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy eight million dollars, you know, for nothing,
Speaker 1: But but I do feel it's like it's so clear
Speaker 1: who the intended audience of this movie is, and it's men.
Speaker 1: And yeah, just like what a strangle holds the young
Speaker 1: male demographic had on movies and culture at most points
Speaker 1: in history. But I think again, just like there's something
Speaker 1: about the late nineties early two thousands is just like
Speaker 1: so completely egregious in this department right where like literally
Speaker 1: she gets blasted to the wall with come, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't say it can't. I first stay so upsetting.
Speaker 1: I found it so upseting. There it was Grant walked in.
Speaker 1: Greg came home for work last night while I was
Speaker 1: watching that scene. He's like, suck.
Speaker 2: Like it's like I'm at work right now, I mean,
Speaker 2: speaking from experience, the target, yeah, is like who who's
Speaker 2: gonna Who's gonna laugh at these jokes? It's probably gonna
Speaker 2: be like teen boys and because of the world centers
Speaker 2: everything around them and caters to them. Like I was like, well,
Speaker 2: all my friends are going to the like it was
Speaker 2: like I'll go along. And I probably fucking laughed at
Speaker 2: the time. I don't remember. Again, I was laughing at
Speaker 2: scary movie too, I guess enough to see it three
Speaker 2: times or whatever.
Speaker 1: And there's nothing The thing is like that there's I
Speaker 1: mean whatever is part of what our shows about, Like
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. I feel like what is
Speaker 1: so because I think of like I'm trying to think of,
Speaker 1: like what my real definitive, Like this movie hates women
Speaker 1: and I called it one of my favorites for a
Speaker 1: long time. There's plenty of them, but like how much
Speaker 1: of that is a symptom of like how we were
Speaker 1: conditioned to see ourselves at that time and.
Speaker 2: Right, because like if there is a movie that's quote
Speaker 2: unquote for chicks, like a rom com, it's not as
Speaker 2: though men were like, sure, I'll go with my like
Speaker 2: you know, girl friend migal pals to that movie. They
Speaker 2: would have no interest in that. But it was like, well.
Speaker 1: That has kind of changed overtime too, which a shit,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, but it was like the idea is like, well,
Speaker 1: what activity appeals to the men in the group, right,
Speaker 1: regardless of your taste or gender or whatever.
Speaker 2: You're You're like, well, this is what we're doing because
Speaker 2: that's what the boys want to do. And I saw
Speaker 2: so many movies that way. But totally going back to
Speaker 2: the reviews are sometimes friend, sometimes enemy. Roger Ebert our.
Speaker 1: Friend of me. What did he have to say?
Speaker 2: Oh, well, he gave the film three out of four stars, incorrigible.
Speaker 2: He says that it quote delivers the goods and called
Speaker 2: scary movie a raucous satirical attack on slasher movies. And
Speaker 2: it's like, sir, do you mean scream because sure, but
Speaker 2: if you're talking about scary movie, that's really incorrect.
Speaker 1: Really really weird. Yeah, I wonder if to what extent
Speaker 1: I mean, like, was he because I could see at
Speaker 1: the time, like, if you were just a fan of
Speaker 1: the Waynes Brothers, maybe you would give this movie the
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. And there's definitely a movie that
Speaker 1: I've that's a jump to Roger Ebert, right whatever, Like,
Speaker 1: but I'm like trying to think of like what could
Speaker 1: he possibly be on about. Like there's people who I've
Speaker 1: been like, oh, this must be commentary because otherwise this
Speaker 1: is horrible. But like I don't know, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a no, babe, that's a no. You
Speaker 1: were wrong.
Speaker 2: He was wrong on that one. I don't really have
Speaker 2: a whole lot else to say. I don't really want
Speaker 2: to talk about this movie anymore.
Speaker 1: It's really actually so unpleasant And.
Speaker 2: Ma, trans why did you do this?
Speaker 1: I hope you I hope this is what you want. Oh.
Speaker 1: The last thing that I noticed that this is unfortunately
Speaker 1: the one joke that I thought aged horrifically. Well. Did
Speaker 1: you catch one of Regina Hall's first lines is about
Speaker 1: a party that underage girls were at at Ditty's house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're like, this joke is twenty five years old
Speaker 1: and he's in court now. Yeah, so yeah, that was
Speaker 1: something I picked up on. Yeah, I think we could
Speaker 1: keep going. I mean, they just there's a million tiny
Speaker 1: jokes that have no bearing on the plot because there
Speaker 1: is no plot because the plot is screamed.
Speaker 2: A joke that like trivializes suicide real close until the
Speaker 2: roofies wore off.
Speaker 1: That's another one that, like the the carbon electric character,
Speaker 1: it's I forget which of the fucking.
Speaker 2: Dufist guys, it's the Shorty character.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: There are several jokes about adults praying on teenagers, and
Speaker 2: there's a really weird joke at the very end of
Speaker 2: the movie where Cindy's dad, who I forget the name
Speaker 2: of that actor, but he's in Groundhog Day. I recognize
Speaker 2: him from that. But he says something like he's like,
Speaker 2: did you get any of your girlfriend's numbers for me?
Speaker 2: And she's like, no, they all died, not like no,
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be fucking praying on team.
Speaker 1: But it's like the movie knows exactly what it's doing there,
Speaker 1: like it's not I don't know.
Speaker 2: But then he says to his own daughter, yeah, as
Speaker 2: she's like leaving to go off with the sheriff for
Speaker 2: questioning or whatever. He's like, call me the way that
Speaker 2: you would say to a character that you're romantically interested in.
Speaker 2: He's like call me.
Speaker 1: Oh, It's like, yeah, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: That's your daughter?
Speaker 1: Oh I guess I didn't take it that way. Oh
Speaker 1: really I would like, I guess I did. I mean
Speaker 1: I could, yeah, maybe that, But I mean by the
Speaker 1: end of the movie, I was just.
Speaker 3: Like like just letting it wash behind me, like it
Speaker 3: just it just Yeah, I'm going through my list of
Speaker 3: jokes I hated.
Speaker 1: Oh when she gets hit on by the cop, that
Speaker 1: was another like adult praying on a kid. Ye, let's
Speaker 1: see what else? Yeah? Uh Gail uh, fat shaming and
Speaker 1: various racist bullying of her cameraman. They parody that moment
Speaker 1: between Sydney and Gail weathers that is a great moment
Speaker 1: and scream in the worst most annoying way possible, where
Speaker 1: literally Gail just shouts at Cindy, your ass looks fat
Speaker 1: and then she and then Cindy punches her in the face.
Speaker 1: You're like, that's one of the Bessie then scream how
Speaker 1: dare they how dare they do that dare. What else
Speaker 1: do we got? Oh? The one of the jokes I
Speaker 1: did know from this movie was the Blair Witch joke
Speaker 1: with the horrible cgi snot bubble that looks like CGI
Speaker 1: that sucked? What else do we got? What else do
Speaker 1: we got? So many bad?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: This one is just a bad joke. They make out
Speaker 1: and then their tongues get tied together like it's Roger
Speaker 1: Rabbit or something. What the fuck was that all about?
Speaker 2: Shrug? Oh?
Speaker 1: And then the and then and then when they do
Speaker 1: have sex, which is problematic as it is, she's like,
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for this for a long time, which
Speaker 1: they demonstrate by having her have like gigantic pubes that
Speaker 1: he has to change saw and I was like, bury
Speaker 1: yourself alive for that one. That one was really bad. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was my That was my list of jokes. We
Speaker 1: didn't get to that. I hated.
Speaker 2: So nasty this movie.
Speaker 1: It is just move filed under a movie with dark aura.
Speaker 1: I think I gotta start making a letterbox list of that,
Speaker 1: because this and Sixteen.
Speaker 2: Candles are started.
Speaker 1: The immediate movies that come to mind with movies with
Speaker 1: the dark aura.
Speaker 2: I would add, Oh, actually, the Fairly Brother speaking, going
Speaker 2: back to our conversation about ableism and movies, they are
Speaker 2: obsessed with it. Yeah, and there's something about Mary. I
Speaker 2: would also.
Speaker 1: Include oh, yes, movie with a dark aura. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: then weren't the fair the ones that like one an
Speaker 1: Oscar for the Green Book?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I literally I think I was like so annoying about
Speaker 1: it at the time that I gave a quote to
Speaker 1: the Washington Post in spite of having no power at all.
Speaker 1: But I really despised that moment in movies post Me Too,
Speaker 1: Like two years post Me Too, we talked about this
Speaker 1: on the show, where all of the you know, misogynists
Speaker 1: to start directors of these big broad comedies of the
Speaker 1: nineties and two thousands, all of a sudden made their
Speaker 1: woman movie or made their like commentary movie and started
Speaker 1: winning fucking Oscars for it. There was also what was
Speaker 1: that that Fox News movie that sucked ass?
Speaker 2: Oh bomb show.
Speaker 1: That Joker, the Fairly Brothers waiting for Green Book. It's
Speaker 1: like just opportunistic bullshit. None of the movies hold up.
Speaker 1: I know people do like Joker, that's their business whatever,
Speaker 1: but like any of the like, I get it. I
Speaker 1: really want to cover that on the show. Someday, just overall,
Speaker 1: I want to like, now that it's there's been enough time,
Speaker 1: maybe I should just write about it or something, But
Speaker 1: like really pulling together that period of like two or
Speaker 1: three years post b two where it was men processing
Speaker 1: their feelings about feeling bad they portrayed women and then
Speaker 1: calling it feminism and winning Oscars and what the fuck
Speaker 1: was that all about? I hated that it was.
Speaker 2: It was bad. Does scary movie past the Bechdel test?
Speaker 1: That can't be true.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't pay attention.
Speaker 1: Let me double check.
Speaker 2: I couldn't be bothered.
Speaker 1: Let me double check scholarly Journal, Bechdel test dot com.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is just a waste of my
Speaker 1: one human life. Like, of course, wait, scary movie, but
Speaker 1: oh okay Bechdel test.
Speaker 2: I mean I could see Cindy and Buffy or Cindy
Speaker 2: and Brenda maybe talking about something.
Speaker 1: It might I don't know it might, but let's just
Speaker 1: say it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Spiritually, No, yeah, spiritually, this movie hates women. So even
Speaker 2: if its technically pass, who cares?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, wait it does technically pass. Let's see. Let's see, well,
Speaker 1: let's see if it passes our version of test. Because
Speaker 1: this is from Wow, really really going above and beyond
Speaker 1: this week. This is from a listical from twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two on Entertainment Weekly dot com. Movies you wouldn't expect
Speaker 1: passed the Buckel test, but do thank you really helpful. Okay,
Speaker 1: scary movie. All it says is the scariest thing about
Speaker 1: this movie is it passes the Buckdel test. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Sure, let's go with that. But also nipplescale wise negative
Speaker 2: five negative a million.
Speaker 1: Negative a million, adding it to the list of movies
Speaker 1: with a dark aura. They're far better Wayne's Brothers movies
Speaker 1: TV shows is set to watch, just watch Hollywood Shuffle,
Speaker 1: watch White Chicks, like you know, just just don't watch this.
Speaker 2: No, I still have never seen White Chicks.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it since I was a kid, so
Speaker 1: maybe maybe don't see it. I don't know. I saw
Speaker 1: what it came out. Anyways, at least that movie is
Speaker 1: trying to do something. This movie is trying to make
Speaker 1: money and it was successful at it, and they tend
Speaker 1: to be very bleak movies to watch later on because
Speaker 1: it just feels somewhat craven and wish it was.
Speaker 2: Wes craven who directed Scream?
Speaker 1: Who directed Scream? Anyways, this movie's obsessed with Kevin Williamson.
Speaker 1: I tried to find out if he had ever commented
Speaker 1: on its existence, and iconically he has never acknowledged its existence,
Speaker 1: even though they did better than all of his movies,
Speaker 1: which is also, you know, an affront. Anyways, if I
Speaker 1: had nipples, I would give them to Jane Trica, but
Speaker 1: I don't.
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