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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the distance. Welcome back, friends, I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you joined us. It's that mid October time frame and

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Speaker 1: hunting seasons are just kicking off. Maybe you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: listening to this on your way to a hunt this

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Speaker 1: weekend for opening Day, or maybe you're right now sitting

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Speaker 1: in your tree stand waiting on a white tail buck

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Speaker 1: to step out, jamming on this podcast. Now, when it

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Speaker 1: comes to white tail hunting, there's really just a pile

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Speaker 1: of information out there about food plots, management, stand locations.

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Speaker 1: The list goes on and on, and the reason is

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Speaker 1: because they are the most widely hunted big game animal

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Speaker 1: in North America. But this week I wanted to break

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Speaker 1: down a tactic a little bit different when it comes

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Speaker 1: to hunting white tails. I want to talk about hunting

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Speaker 1: white tails of the Western Way, often overlooked or really

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Speaker 1: a lot of the abundant public lands and white tail

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Speaker 1: opportunities from Colorado all the way to Washington State and

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Speaker 1: most the states in between. But with the seemingly endless

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Speaker 1: mountains and honestly thousands of places and acres for them

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Speaker 1: to hide, keen in might seem pretty difficult. So I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna give you some of my favorite tactics for

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Speaker 1: locating and hunting white tails from the big timber mountains

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Speaker 1: to the open broken country plains. But first, let's go

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Speaker 1: on the last day hunt for a big timber white

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Speaker 1: tail buck. Now, I definitely get to hunt pretty much

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Speaker 1: all the time, but a lot of that hunting has

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Speaker 1: spent guiding other people are taking other people out, So

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Speaker 1: when it comes to my own personal hunts sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: just a weekend warrior deal where I've got a couple

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Speaker 1: of days to go out and be successful. This just

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Speaker 1: so happens that it was the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: I just finished up my last week of guiding, and

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Speaker 1: I had the end of the weekend to to hunt

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Speaker 1: for myself, So I figured I had already filled my

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Speaker 1: I'd seen some pretty good white tails throughout the season.

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Speaker 1: This particular year is just a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: and figured, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna just go

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Speaker 1: The first day, I went out and saw some smaller deer,

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Speaker 1: some some younger bucks, which I normally would shoot because

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Speaker 1: just looking for pretty much any meat, and I normally

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Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, I'm just gonna try to find one

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Speaker 1: of these good ones. I saw a couple of bucks

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Speaker 1: that Saturday, and now it's closing time Sunday, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: all right, you can do this revery. So I went

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Speaker 1: gonna check certain areas where I had seen deer in

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Speaker 1: the past. There is where I know they like to travel.

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Speaker 1: and it just kind of like doing a method of

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Speaker 1: just really bad visibility. Everything was really wet, really wet

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Speaker 1: There's just one particular opening where it was kind of

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right. So I'm walking into my

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Speaker 1: But the lighting is weird. This deer is so dark

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Speaker 1: it up. As I'm zooming it up, the buck tucks

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Speaker 1: I shot the best deer of my life. But it's

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Speaker 1: fun to sometimes tell those stories of when you do

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Speaker 1: there was no doubts in my mind before pulling that trigger.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's just one of those scenarios. Where

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Speaker 1: it didn't work out, and that's hunting. And unfortunately it's

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Speaker 1: And who knows, maybe next year, maybe this year, I'll

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Speaker 1: a more successful version of this same type of story.

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Speaker 1: Ye kind of looking back over my hunting career and

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Speaker 1: in the places I've worked as a guide and things

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Speaker 1: that I've hunted, you know, I've actually guided a lot

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Speaker 1: of different states and hunted a lot of Western states

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Speaker 1: specifically for white tails. Some of my first guiding jobs

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Speaker 1: were actually big country white tail hunts archery season, and

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Speaker 1: then again like later in November when the rut kicked off,

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Speaker 1: big public land pieces. Over the years, you know, we

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Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of that, though, is just

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Speaker 1: of a lot of the other hunters that live in

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Speaker 1: these areas. Most Western hunters are just crazy about meal there,

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Speaker 1: and rightfully so. But that's not to say that the

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Speaker 1: white tail hunting can't be incredible, and honestly, on some

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Speaker 1: public land to boot. That's the best thing about it.

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Speaker 1: You know, where a lot of people live or hunt,

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Speaker 1: most of the places they're hunting might be small tracks

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Speaker 1: a lot of areas, and then if I don't see

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Speaker 1: anything that I'm looking for, I move now. Sometimes I

432
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: will bump year you think, oh man, you messed up

433
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: your opportunity or whatever. That's not always the case, because

434
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: I know this sounds like a very aggressive tactic. I'm

435
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: not just trying to like run through their blowing deer out.

436
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 1: But if I do kick a deer up, then I

437
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: analyze that spot. Okay, what was it doing? Was a

438
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: betting here? Now I know, Okay, well this is an

439
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 1: area that's holding white tails. If I if I jump

440
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 1: a dope. Okay, this is an area that's holding deer,

441
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: especially if I'm hunting during the rut or something, when

442
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: I can expect now is time where I start to

443
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: slow down. So you've got to realize, like you've got

444
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 1: all this land, You've got all these places to check.

445
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: It's like the density of white tailed deer might not

446
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 1: be what you're used to if you come from somewhere

447
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: like Wisconsin or Minnesota or Texas or Iowa. We like

448
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,959
Speaker 1: there's just hundreds of white tails per square mile whatever,

449
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 1: at least what it appears on TV, and some places

450
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 1: that I've checked out, there's just like a lot more

451
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: deer density than you go out west and you go, yeah,

452
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: there's gonna be five white tails in five square miles,

453
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 1: good luck, go find them. So you have to kind

454
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 1: of covered country and understand, hey, this is where the

455
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 1: deer at. Once I have found that, and that's just

456
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: like a combination of scouting maybe with your on X

457
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: or your maps, finding those those preferred habitat types for

458
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: a type of country hunting, and then honestly just doing

459
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: that cruising. Once I find the spots that they're going

460
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: to prefer, that's when I switch my tactics over to

461
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: more of a sit and wait tactic, but just on

462
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: a different scale. Now I have done it where I've

463
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Speaker 1: I've gone in there, set up a blind or maybe

464
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: like a tree stand in some places where I know,

465
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: like I know their patterns, I know their trails and

466
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: other things. But at that point, like what I'm doing

467
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: now is sitting and waiting, so I'll get in. I

468
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: might still hunt those areas really well, like really slow

469
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: still hunting, glass ng looking, especially if it's like maybe

470
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: a potential betting area, and then glassing maybe more feeding

471
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: areas mornings and evenings, and just identifying here's where the

472
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: deer are, here's maybe where they're feeding, here's maybe where

473
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: they're betting, and then I just my tactics to that.

474
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: So normally what I'm doing is, once I've found the deer,

475
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: now I s down. I focus in on that smaller

476
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: area because it's like, Okay, this is preferred habitat, there's

477
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: deer here. Take it slow and kind of switch over

478
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: to that still hunting or sitting tactic if I don't

479
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: get too impatient. Many times me personally, I get some

480
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: my impatients. So what I do is I go to like,

481
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: let's just pick one. Let's say we're hunting mountain bucks.

482
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: Checked all the clear cuts. I found a clear cut

483
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: where they're signed. I've seen deer. Cool. This is gonna

484
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: be my clear cut that I'm probably gonna hunt most

485
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: of the days for the rest of the trip or whatever,

486
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: because I don't know exactly what's going to be there.

487
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: So what I would do is in the morning, I

488
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: would be glassing the edges of the open for deer

489
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,239
Speaker 1: to come out into that open. They do like some

490
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: of the smaller shrubs, their browsers. They like that that

491
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: stuff that grows in the open if everything else is timbered.

492
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: Some mornings, I'm gonna be glassing that first thing sun

493
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: comes up. I'll be glassing until midmorning. Then what I'm

494
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: probably gonna do is me, I'm going to start moving now,

495
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna start looking like hunting or still hunting

496
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: through areas where I think they'll bed. So some of

497
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: the thicker stuff gonna just kind of like work my

498
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: way through their stop look, stop, look real slow glassing.

499
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna in the evening go back to an

500
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: area that I would think would be a feeding area

501
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 1: glass and hunt that try to spot something move in

502
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: spot and stock style. The same goes for the open territory.

503
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: I'll do that same thing, but within the open stuff,

504
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: I tend to glass a little bit more, find those

505
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: good vantages. Middle of the day, I'm often you know,

506
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: moving slow through areas where I think the deer might

507
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: be moving, constantly glass and constantly looking, and then set up,

508
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, trying to ambush or intercept when they're either

509
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: going out to feed or maybe you know, getting on

510
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: hunting those fringes or those edges around agriculture or other

511
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: habitat where they might be prone to use. I also combined,

512
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: when we're just kind of touching on tactics, I do

513
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: a lot of calling in the thicker stuff, a lot

514
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: of rattling, a lot of grunt tube, all that stuff.

515
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: Like I'll set up in an area where I know

516
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: there's good trails and other things where I've seen sign

517
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: of deer, and I'll use those calling and and other

518
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: tactics as well. Your standard white tailed tactics that work

519
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: everywhere also work out west too. So if you're a

520
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 1: guy that's really good at that, honestly bring your tactics

521
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: with you because there's a lot of people out here

522
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: that live out west that don't hunt that way, and

523
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: it can be very very effective at some of the

524
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: like targeting specific deer if you can find them, but

525
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: it does take a little bit to go from this

526
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: broad hey where the deer at to pinpointing those those

527
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: specific spots that they like. One thing you will find

528
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: is once you find that spot where those deer are, like,

529
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: you get these like micro pockets of white tailed deer.

530
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, all the white tails like this area.

531
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: You'll continually find white tails there. I know personally a

532
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: lot of the places that I've hunted and guided and

533
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: hunted different places that west. There might be just an example,

534
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: one place in Wyoming whereas like, all right, you look

535
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: around and there's mule deer here, and this mule deer country,

536
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: muleer country, and in this one pocket there's white tails.

537
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: And you can go back to that pocket year after

538
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: year and there's always white tails in there, and everywhere

539
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: else around there's not very many white tails and there's

540
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: some good bucks. You know, it's just because that's the

541
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: one pocket. Once I've kind of use that and understood,

542
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 1: then I can start focusing in and hunting white tails however,

543
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: you enjoy hunting them. A lot of times I would

544
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: get into that particular spot. I mean I've set up

545
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: tree stand many places waited, Like if I'm bow hunting,

546
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: I've definitely you know, set up a tree stand, try

547
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: to catch them moving from feed to betting area, what

548
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: have you. But then you can kind of focus in

549
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: your tactics, narrowing it from big to small, just by

550
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: trying to identify what is something that they need that

551
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of in this particular area.

552
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: I've actually got, you know, quite a bit of white

553
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: tail hunting coming up in in my future. It looks

554
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: like because most of the meal of your seasons for

555
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: me or my meal, your tags are closed, are over,

556
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I just it's there's just something

557
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: really fun about chasing, especially that those open country white tails.

558
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: You can get some really good bucks and it's just

559
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: like this really fun spot and stock game because they're

560
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: so on edge. But like when you can see them

561
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: especially oh it's like in the rut when they're running

562
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: around and then they go bed out in the tall grass,

563
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, cool, time to crawl in. That can

564
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: be really exciting. Can also be frustrating because it's kind

565
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: of like it reminds me of spot and stock animal hunting,

566
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: where they just get up and run away for no reason,

567
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: chasing dose or whatever, and there's seven miles and two

568
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: counties away by the time you get to them. But man,

569
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: it can be a really exciting, exciting hunt. You know.

570
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm kind of hoping maybe if I still have my

571
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: dear tag around Thanksgiving, maybe my wife and myself will

572
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: head out and just go on a full scale white

573
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: tail mission. I haven't decided though, whether they're gonna go

574
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: open country. You're big timber mountain bucks. There's just something

575
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: cool about like getting a big mountain buck I like

576
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: to call them. It's not like hunting white tails other places.

577
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: When you hunt in the mountains, those deer just act

578
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: so much different than the deer everywhere else in the US,

579
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: and there's just something fun about that. I kind of

580
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: I kind of think of them like, I don't know,

581
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: I didn't mention it. It's more similar to like hunting

582
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: coos deer, but just more cover. So it can be

583
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: very very exciting. On a On a side note, though,

584
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: I checked my email and I drew a public Land

585
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: Texas white tail tag. So I am pretty stoked about that.

586
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna doing that in January, a muzzleoader hunt, and uh,

587
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: for me, that's going to be the opposite of what

588
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. It's gonna be go in you know,

589
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: pick your stand location. I've got some ideas of how

590
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to hunt it. Um really looking forward to

591
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: doing that. Where that's most people like listen to this

592
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: podcast because they either you know, like the Western hunting

593
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: tactics are thinking about you know, coming out this way

594
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: and doing that more spot and stock style hunt, and

595
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: then here I am like all fired up to do

596
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: the opposite style where I'm going to test my patients

597
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: because I am a wander and I know that in

598
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: those in certain scenarios, these tactics aren't for everywhere. If

599
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: you've got a small area to hunt, you're gonna really

600
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: make some people mad if you're just sending their cruising

601
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: around all day. So that won't be me. Don't worry

602
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: if if you also have the tag with me, but

603
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really looking forward to that, so that'll be

604
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: kind of cool. I hope that this kind of like

605
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: kind of shifts your mindset to if you're if you're

606
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: big into white tail hunting or maybe where your white

607
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: tail hunt, You're like, you know, it's just another thing

608
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: to think about. And there's actually a lot more opportunity

609
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: in most states to hunt white tails, and I think

610
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: people just don't even think about it. There's some incredible

611
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: hunting that I think it's overlooked. I'm probably gonna piss

612
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people off because I'm exposing like the

613
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: probably the last best kept secret. I'm not giving away

614
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: any states or any specific spots. I'll let everybody else

615
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: figure that out on their own, because I'll say one

616
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: thing and then I just don't want to make too

617
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: many ripples in the pond and mess something up for myself.

618
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: But there are some really good white tail hunting and

619
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: it's just it's definitely a really fun opportunity. So until

620
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: next week, catch you later.