1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is on an adventure, 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: but he will return shortly. They called me Ben. We're 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: joined as always with our super producer Alexa's code name 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: to know. It's time yet again for one of our 11 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: favorite segments, listener Mail, where we get to share stories 12 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: from around the world from your fellow conspiracy realist with 13 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: you and these This episode especially is going to be 14 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: a grab um. You know, our show prizes transparency whatever possible, 15 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: So just to put all the cards on the table, Matt, 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: without revealing too much, I think it's okay to say 17 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: that this is kind of a momentous day for us. 18 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 1: We are reaching the fruition of a long running, very 19 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: secret enterprise. Yes, and credit goes to you, sir. I 20 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: can't believe it's happening, happened, will happen? I don't know. 21 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: It's all things at once. Time is a flat circle, 22 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: and so is the Secret Project. Team Effort, Team effort. 23 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Nol is that here because he is the 24 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: first of us to get a face tattoo to the show. 25 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,839 Speaker 1: That's part of the secret product project. Now I'm kidding, 26 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I hope, I'm kidding. Um, I'm just trying 27 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: to picture. Uh, some people have really cool face tattoos. 28 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: I just don't see Nol as a face tattoo guy, 29 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: or either of us. Frankly, Yeah, I have been looking 30 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: for something. I need to get my first one at 31 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: some point. So you're gonna get a tattoo, I should, 32 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: I should get at least one. These freckles aren't going 33 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: to connect themselves, so there we go. There we go. 34 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: I used to draw on myself a lot. But what 35 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: I liked about that was if you get tired of it, 36 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: you can just wash it off. Yeah, so that's what 37 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: we should all do. Make a really good artist friend 38 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: and have them every once in a while, make something 39 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: incredible on your body, keep it for a little while, 40 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: and then you can wash it off. And I have 41 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: so many commitment problems I can't even get a temporary tattoo. 42 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: That's like the whole afternoon, you know what I mean? 43 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: What kind of person are you going to be at 44 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: the end of that? Anyway, my little pony usually that's 45 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: you know, I've seen a lot of paw patrol. I wonder, though, 46 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: I wonder what role tattoos play in like folklore and 47 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: in fairy tales. Because for our first letter today you 48 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: received a delightful, very endearing note that I thought we 49 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: could use to to kick off today's show. And by 50 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: the way, folks, today Matt and code named Doc and 51 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: I are going through We're gonna try to go through 52 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: as many as we can, as many phone calls, as 53 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: many text and emails, just because this is kind of like, uh, 54 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: it's kind of like family time for us, you know 55 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: what I mean. We mean it when we say we 56 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: want to hear from you and Matt. I want to 57 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: put us on hopefully again an endearing note. I would 58 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: like to read a letter that just came in today 59 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: That is to you, sir um. I don't know if 60 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: you've read this one yet, No I have not. All right, well, 61 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: here we go, Uh this is from Lucy h and 62 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: the title is the title cut my eye. Matt would 63 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: not survive a fairy tale. I'm going to read it 64 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: along with you. Okay, I I kind of disagree for 65 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: the record, but the title grabbed my attention. Okay, okay, alright, 66 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: so Lucy, don't worry. It's not a hit piece, so 67 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: Lucy says, hello, conspiracy realist listening to the Flame which podcast, 68 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: as a folklore nerd is very entertaining. Willow the Whisp 69 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: type folklore is one of my favorite types of stories. 70 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: It really grabs me by the noggin. The thing with 71 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: these stories is that they are mostly about dangerous creatures. 72 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: Rather than being the sort of harmless, playful type that 73 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: some of us would picture, most of them are malicious. 74 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: It cracks me up that Matt is so down to 75 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: just trapes after it. No disrespect to you, Matt, love you, man, 76 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: But that's a bad idea. Or maybe not, maybe they 77 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: are just there for a good time. Let me know 78 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: if you want a list of what not to do 79 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: in a fairy tale, I've got some items for you. 80 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: Great podcast is always have fun, try not to die, 81 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: dashing after strange lights, advice for the agent. I think, well, Lucy, um, 82 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: you don't know, but I give, and I've heard this 83 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: from many people. I give very good hugs, and I 84 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: just want to hug that light. And I have a 85 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: feeling that if I just embraced it, it wouldn't you know, 86 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: maybe burn me from the inside out. Or maybe it 87 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: would and would at least be interesting. Yeah, you know, 88 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: carpet deal and Lucy, Yeah, do send in that list. 89 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: I I have a couple of other lists I've pulled 90 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: from different works of folklore, and I would love to 91 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: see how our list compares. Also, Matt, just for a second, 92 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say, well, you know, 93 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: the thing about me is I've been told they give 94 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: a hundred and ten percent? Do I do? It's true, 95 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: It's true. I could I take your firm so so, Yeah, 96 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: I'm just glad that these tales grabbed Lucy by the noggin. Yes, 97 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: that doesn't seem dangerous as opposed to something weird by 98 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: the ankle or like, yeah, the elbow, anything that grabs 99 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: you by the ankle. Don't trust it. Don't trust that. 100 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: Don't trust that. You can put that up there with 101 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: don't die dashing after strange lights in the world of 102 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: good advice. Uh so, really, appreciated it. Uh. This also 103 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: gives us a chance to talk about something that's been 104 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: on my mind a lot, which is I want to 105 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: hear more stories, more works of folklore from the non 106 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: Western world, right, Like we've had a great time diving 107 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: into stories of cryptids and legends that are unfamiliar to 108 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the US or maybe even 109 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: the English speaking world in general. So keep them coming. 110 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: We also have this is also by the way, Matt, 111 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: this is a word salad rambling set up to our 112 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: first voicemail today, which I believe comes from a biologist 113 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: who's got a take on something that I think is 114 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,559 Speaker 1: interested both of us and a lot of our fellow 115 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist for a long time, which is thought forms. Right. 116 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: This message comes from someone called the Carbonate. Hey, guys, 117 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: I love the show. Great work. I I'm always impressed 118 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: by the attention and clarity you bring to some things 119 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: that are often less untouched. And um, I was really 120 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: interested in your conversation about memetic warfare, and as a biologist, 121 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: I was thinking about just how DNA is essentially information 122 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: being replicated and spread through kind of these carbon based systems, 123 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: and it's not entirely dissimilar from a meme just being 124 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: spread through these sort of electronic systems, and so essentially 125 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: life is just the replication and repetition of information. And 126 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 1: it kind of freaks me out a little thinking about 127 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: memes in the sense that they do spread, and they 128 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: do replicate, and in a way they may be non 129 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: biological organisms. So when you ask kind of who's controlling 130 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: the memes, like who's are rating this? I almost stopped 131 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: to think that they may actually be organisms under themselves 132 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: in a way that we are not traditionally used to 133 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: thinking about. And uh, the memes may be seeking their 134 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: own ends and self replication, using us as a host 135 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: in the same way of virus is a replicating pattern 136 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: that needs to use a cell to replicate. It's you know, 137 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: next generation. I think maybe it could be the same 138 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: thing where memes are using us as their host and replicating, 139 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: and they have taken upon their own their own evolutionary 140 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 1: success and and are trying to spread in the same 141 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: way that living organisms do. I think the same could 142 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: be true for corporations, nation states, religion, other ideas as. Essentially, 143 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: these replicating non biological organism um As a biologist that 144 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: terrifies me to no end, because it's life. I believe 145 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: in the machines, and so I don't know such you 146 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: guys might get a kick out of that interpretation. And 147 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: I wonder if you think that put eventually could be 148 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,359 Speaker 1: organisms in their own right, and we've kind of accidentally 149 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: created a new form of organism. Uh, and really let 150 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: that badger out of the bag. You can call me 151 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: the carbonists, and you can use my voice on air. 152 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: So love the work, love the show, pep up the 153 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: good work, guys, thinks Oh man, Yeah, that's the kind 154 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: of conversation that we have when we're not on air. 155 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: Generally accepted. There's way more WHOA on my end at 156 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: least I think it's Yeah, it's true. It's something that 157 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: we have we have talked about as a group. The 158 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: nature of what defines an organism is it? Is it 159 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: through behavior? Is it through physical attributes? Where what is 160 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: the line? You know, it reminds me of the debate 161 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: over whether or not a virus could be considered alive, right, 162 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: or if it's just a thing that is almost like 163 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: a piece of technology. You know, a virus does suffer 164 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: from a lot of the quandaries of existence that that 165 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: haunts the human species. But this is first off that 166 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: we're aware of. That we're aware of. You don't think 167 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 1: viruses think. We don't think viruses think right, right exactly, 168 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: which maybe is a bit supremacist of humans. But but 169 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: there's something fastening you. First, we have to thank you 170 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: the carbonate for lending a professional perspective here. Since you 171 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: are biologists, people might treat this, this idea, this concept 172 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: of yours, which I agree with and think is quite beautiful. 173 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: They might treat it with a little more credence than 174 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: if it were you know, just Matt, you and me 175 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: going whoa and uh. And for me, it's it is 176 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: breaking out the way he describes virus replicating DNA through 177 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: a carbon based system versus an electronic system for a meme. Right, 178 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: and you you have to go back. I have to 179 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: go back to oh, man, I guess it's biology classes 180 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: where we're learning about how a virus actually injects that 181 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: DNA into a cell. That cell takes that DNA, replicates 182 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: it and explodes with that same stuff out of it, right, 183 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: the same DNA out The virus continues to replicate. And 184 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: it does feel, man, it just it feels like It's 185 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: very similar with a human mind. When something like a 186 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: meme enters and we just want to share it. We 187 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: have like I feel compelled to to share a really 188 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: good meme. UM, And I wonder if I, assuming you 189 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: have something like that maybe, Oh yeah, definitely. I mean 190 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: this is this is something that I had speculated on 191 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: a number of years ago. And thank you as as 192 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: always for humoring those kinds of rants, which, to be clear, 193 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,479 Speaker 1: are just my opinion. But I I believe that compulsion 194 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: is true. I think it's something that many people have felt, 195 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: and it reminded me the carbonate You might enjoy reading 196 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: an article from Smithsonian called What Defines a Meme? By 197 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: James Gleek in two thousand and eleven, where Gleak talks 198 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: specifically about just the idea that you and and us 199 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: on our side have been kind of speculating about independently. Uh. 200 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: He says that information now can behave like human genes, 201 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: ideas can replicate, mutate, and evolve, And we definitely see 202 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: that in the world of memes, a successful meme just 203 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: becomes kind of a base format. UH. And we've got 204 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: also shout out to, uh, some of our conspiracy realists 205 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: like Holly, who will every so often make a stuff 206 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know, specific meme that you know, 207 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: folkes fun at us in a well deserved way. We 208 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: earned it usually and uh, and that specificity is just 209 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: built upon an earlier, pre existing concept. I had this 210 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: trippy thought years ago, man um and and it wrote 211 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: a short story about it, where the idea was that 212 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: when two people share an emotion of some sort, whether 213 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: it is enmity or maybe deep affection for one another, 214 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: that that in this world, in this fictional piece, that 215 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: idea becomes alive on its own right. So it's just 216 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: a it's a different perspective, you know that they're all 217 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: these cliches about like, oh, the things people do for 218 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: love and so on and so in that story or 219 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: in that perspective, the people that are in love or 220 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: the people that are you know, uh, very much opposed 221 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: each other. They're being compelled or forced to do things 222 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: not of their own volition, but because of this non 223 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: tangible entity, this emotion as a life form. That's it 224 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: that that they spawned right right. And it all started 225 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: with a really good hug. It all started with a 226 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: really good hug one way or another, yeah, and these ideas, 227 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, they might sound abstract, but as you will 228 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: come to see spoiler alert in our memetic Warfare episode, uh, 229 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: they're not as abstract as they might sound at first. 230 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: In preparation for that if if you want to do 231 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: a little homework, folks, do check out that Smithsonian article. 232 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: I I love this idea of conversation. I love the 233 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: idea of the talpa or the thought form, you know, 234 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: mainly because cognitively and philosophically can take us to some 235 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: very interesting places like this upcoming at break. Oh yeah, 236 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: well wait, wait a second. The last thing I want 237 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: to throw in here. I just looked up a few 238 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: things for anybody who wants to further check this stuff out. 239 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: You can find a website called philosophy talk dot org 240 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: and there is I think it's Yeah, it's a program 241 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: from that specifically discusses if virus if memes are viruses 242 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: of the mind. Pretty cool. You can it's a YouTube video. 243 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: You can watch the interview someone named Susan Blackmore. She 244 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: has some really cool insight on it. She's from the 245 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: University of Plymouth, or at least she was in. And 246 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: the other is an interview with Richard Dawkins posted on Wired, 247 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: and it's specifically discussing the word meme that I suppose 248 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: he coined, at least according to this article, he did 249 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: in his book The Selfish Gene. But it was not 250 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: speaking of an Internet meme like the way that we 251 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: imagine them now. It was any idea or concept that 252 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: basically travels and replicates throughout culture. Just stuff to think about. Yeah, 253 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: and let us know your take on this, folks. Uh 254 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: this this seemed like it's gobblety gook or does it 255 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: seem like there's some sand to the idea of living ideas? 256 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: Is that idea in the corner watching you whole? Better 257 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: check it's not in my corner. I'm still on there. Help. Yep, 258 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: there it is. Okay, we gotta go to a break 259 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: and we'll be right back. And we've returned. Let's hop 260 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: back over to email. We received a fascinating letter slash 261 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: suggestion from Diana from in j is what you said? 262 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: Diana said, Hi, gentlemen, just listen to your show regarding 263 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: past life memories. I find this topic very interesting, but 264 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: wanted to share the story of Shanti Devi. Please look 265 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: her up. It's a fascinating story. I believe her case 266 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: caught the attention of Mahatma Gandhi, who set up a 267 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: committee to investigate and after spending some time with her, 268 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: actually agreed that she is truly reincarnated. Love the show, 269 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: Keep up the conversation and conspiracies, Diana, this is this 270 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: is neat now. To be clear, not all five of 271 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: us here at stuff they don't want you to know, 272 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: are necessarily on the same page about the concept of reincarnation. Um. 273 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: Just for my part, before we briefly dive into Shanti 274 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: Devi's life. From my part, man, the problem is one 275 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: of prerequisites to understand the idea of past lives or reincarnation. 276 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: We have to have a better way of understanding what 277 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: happens to the mind when someone dies, you know what 278 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: I mean? Like does it uh? Does the switch just 279 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: click off? And that's it? Are some of the more 280 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: religious doctrines correct, you know, even the very very specific 281 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: ones We don't know. We don't the civilization, in my mind, 282 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: doesn't have the tools it would need to test for 283 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: the existence of reincarnation. Yeah, it's a long walk to 284 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: prove it, right, That's a real long walk. Like you said, 285 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: because of the hurdles you have to jump over to 286 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: get there. You know, personally, I would say I have 287 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: not seen compelling evidence that reincarnation occurs, because it's a 288 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: lot like UFO abduction stories, where you have to go 289 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: on just what someone is telling you. There are strange 290 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: instances where young people seem to know things that they 291 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: shouldn't know about, you know, themselves, or a person that 292 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: existed well before they were ever even a thought that 293 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: is odd as very odd. Right, the strangeness of that 294 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: occurrence throughout history. You've got this peppering of that experience. 295 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: It's worth exploring. It's just one of those things that 296 00:18:55,240 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be comfortable saying, yes, I believe in reincarnation anytime. Yeah, yeah, 297 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: I understand. But you know, you caught my interest again 298 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: with the mention of children saying creepy things. We had 299 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: some great responses from parents in the crowd who were like, Okay, look, guys, 300 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: I know reincarnation is a tall milkshake along walk whatever 301 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: you want to call it. Uh that I'm not saying 302 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: my kids reincarnated, but boy, they creaked me out with 303 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,719 Speaker 1: this thing, and uh, it reminded me that pulled up 304 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: this thread from a forum was just a list of 305 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: creepy things children have said. I'd like to share some 306 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: with you just for fun zies, just because we didn't 307 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: get a chance to do it last time. We're talking 308 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: about this, so so one guy says, this is over 309 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: on Reddit. By the way. This one guy says, uh, 310 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: he was tucking in his two year old and his 311 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: two year old said goodbye, dad, and I said, no, 312 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: we say good night, and he said, I know, but 313 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: this time it's goodbye. No, and the kids fine. To 314 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: be clear, the kid is absolutely fine. It just had 315 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: another regular, regular day after that, and then one more. 316 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll just pepper these out through throughout the rest 317 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: of the show. But one more. Another person on the 318 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: same thread says, I was on a bus recently, were 319 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: stopped outside of walk in clinic. A little girl in 320 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: the seat in front of me turned to her dad 321 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: and said, death is the poor man's doctor. And that 322 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: was it, right man, So we might we might throw 323 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: a few more of those in. Also, please continue to 324 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: share with us the stories of creepy things you said 325 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: as a kid, or creepy things that your own children 326 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: have said. While you're working on those or reliving those 327 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: possibly hilarious, possibly harrowing events. Let us introduce you to 328 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: Shanty Devi. Shaunty Devy was born on December eleven and 329 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: lived until December of nine teen eighties seven. She is 330 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: as you had indicated, She is most famous for being 331 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: the subject of research in the reincarnation. And it is true. 332 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: Gandhi did uh did set up a commission that investigated 333 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: and this resulted in Mahatma Gandhi himself supporting her claim 334 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 1: and saying, hey, this is legit, there's something to it. 335 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: But other reports by other researchers disputed it, and throughout 336 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: her life there were several articles and books published about her. 337 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: Other researchers also interviewed her. It wasn't just the Gandhi 338 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: squad and the other research of bal chald I think 339 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: the reincarnation stuff came in when she was about four 340 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: years old. According to the story, she was born in Delhi. 341 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: She told her parents when she was four something along 342 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: the lines of, look, my real home is in Mathura, 343 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: which is pretty far away from Delhi. And she said, 344 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: and I'm married. I got a husband. He's fair skin, 345 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: he has glasses, and he's got a big wart on 346 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: his left cheek. His shop is located in front of 347 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: the specific temple in this town, and her parents were like, oh, 348 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: the weird things children say. Uh, and Rubbert hit the 349 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: road when she ran away from home when she was 350 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: just six years old, trying to get to this place. 351 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: And then you know, she did not make it. Thankfully, 352 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: she didn't get abducted her parents founder she got home safely. 353 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: But later in school she said, look, I'm married. I 354 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: died ten days after I gave birth to a child. 355 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: And that's when a teacher at the school. Again, it's 356 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: all according to the story, right, there's no video of this, 357 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: but according to the story, teacher at the school noticed 358 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,239 Speaker 1: that she was using words that were part of the 359 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: dialect of Mathura, and she even named her husband and 360 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: so she said, my husband's name is Kadar. Enough, so 361 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: the headmaster is kind of like the principle of the school, 362 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: does some digging and they find that, surprise, surprise, yes, 363 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: there is a shopkeeper named Kadar Nath in Mathura. And 364 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: this band had lost his wife, Luke d Devi, about 365 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: nine years beforehand. And since we're just stacking coincidence up here, 366 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: and the unfortunate Miss Devi passed away about ten days 367 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: after giving birth to a son. So this is um. 368 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: This reminds me of the kind of stories I would 369 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: read in like time life, mysteries of the unknown books, 370 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: which may may be where first learned about this. Uh 371 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 1: so far, Matt, what do you think coincidence? Can we 372 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: dismiss all this? We don't know how common the last 373 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: name Nath maybe or Kadar Nath. You know, for all 374 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: we know, it could be like an equivalent of John Smith. 375 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: We just don't know how unique it is. It's a 376 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: hell of a coincidence, though. It's a lot If she 377 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: called him out by name, this guy happened to lose 378 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: his wife. I mean, things like that started to match up. 379 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: She apparently knew stuff about like deathbed requests that she 380 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: had given right. I don't know, man, That's the kind 381 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: of thing that makes me want to talk about it more, 382 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: think about it more. Um. I'm just trying to imagine 383 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: the experience of just having information in my mind that's 384 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: just there that I didn't read it. I didn't Well, 385 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: in this case, she would probably argue that she experienced it, 386 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: she lived that life. God, that's weird. That's gonna hurt 387 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: my brain. Well, let's let's keep punishing our brains here, 388 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: because it turns out this kidar Nath guy traveled to 389 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: Delhi himself and he I did something kind of weird. 390 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: He pretended to be a different person. He pretended to 391 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: be his own brother. But this kid, she's a kid. 392 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: At this point she recording this story, shant Devi immediately 393 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: recognizes kadarn and she recognizes kadar Nath's son, the kid 394 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 1: luked Devi gave birth to before she passed away. She 395 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: knew details about his life. And eventually even this guy 396 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: got convinced and he said, well, this kid must must 397 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: actually be a reincarnation of my wife passed away and 398 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: that this story, you know, garnered a lot of regional attention. 399 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: That's where the Gandhi commission comes in. Um, that's around 400 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: because of the time period which this occurred. Of course, 401 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: there's not like audio or video of this person's story. 402 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: We're reading written accounts. Also, there's a big question that 403 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: I have that I don't know. I don't know whether 404 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: or not we'll be able to answer this, but massive 405 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: thanks to anybody who can answer this. So if luked 406 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: Devi passes away and there is some kind of gap 407 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: in real world time between her death and the birth 408 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: of Shanti Devi. Then like, what happened? Where was Luke 409 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,239 Speaker 1: d in the meanwhile in some limbo in some like 410 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: metaphysical waiting room. Oh, I'm sure there numerous explanations for that, 411 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: that purgatorial time, right. Yeah, again, it's it depends on 412 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: what you believe. It's what religion did your family believe 413 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: when you were a kid growing up and you were 414 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: you were Shanty Devi's age at that time, um m hmm. Yeah. 415 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: And then complicating the matter, you may have heard in 416 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: the background there, folks, Uh, my one of my cats 417 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: apparently has some strong feelings because he was started catterwauling 418 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: when we're talking about reincarnation and you know, now I 419 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: can't help, but wonder, man, is is this cat trying 420 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: to tell me about his past life? Is it like 421 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: screaming out like, my name is Derek Jorgenson, I am 422 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: from Milwaukee. Let me out of this prison. Oh that 423 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: would be. That would be. That's why I'm never going 424 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: to get one of those, uh animal translation devices. I'm sorry. 425 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: I have great affection for my pets, but I'm not 426 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: super interested in their opinions. Yeah, I I kind of 427 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: want one for my dog. I swear she says food now, 428 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: give me food, food now when she barks at me. 429 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: But well, also, dogs are different, you know, and and 430 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: fundamentally so. And I don't mean to sound dismissive of 431 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: feline opinions. If the technology was there, give it a go. 432 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: But you might be interested to know there is a 433 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: training pad that some some folks have been using dog 434 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: owners to get their dog to quote unquote speak. It's like, 435 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen this, but you lay 436 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: it out on the floor. It's a matt or pad 437 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: and it has these various things that's that make that 438 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: say a word when a dog touches it with its paw, 439 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: like that touches a square that says like outside or 440 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: like good boy, or you know, pp or snack or 441 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: playtime whatever. And watching those videos, um, I know the 442 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: problems with those things, like the idea that the dog 443 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: in question could just be taking visual or body language 444 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: cues from its owner. But I also really really liked 445 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: the idea of a world in which uh dogs in 446 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: particular can speak with us. Again, I'm not saying I 447 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: don't want to hear from any cats. It's just my 448 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: two cats. I'm not particularly you know, I don't know 449 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: what their opinions would be. What if they're into some 450 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: really weird stuff. So it's my dog. All animals are. 451 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just some weird stuff. Um man, Okay, 452 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: I can't get my head out of this space. Let's 453 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: say a nine year old child walks up to you, 454 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: whoever you are, and they say, hey, I was your 455 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: spouse that died. I'm nine. I what do you do 456 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: at that point? What do you do? Yeah? Well, I'm 457 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so glad to see you, but I 458 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 1: don't run. I don't really want to be your parents. 459 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: M h um, and you're nine, so we're not going 460 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: to get remarried, just to be clear. Cool, it's good 461 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: to see you. I'm glad you're okay, you can delve again. Yeah, 462 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: and finally take up Violin where day David Busters? Ever? Uh? Yeah? Yeah, 463 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: this is true, and we can spend more time on 464 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: reincarnation to do that. We would love your help, so folks, please, 465 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: uh let us know other stories of famous alleged cases 466 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: of reincarnation that we can add to the tapestry here 467 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: one A three three std w y t K or 468 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: drop us an email conspiracy at I heart radio dot com. 469 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: With this, Matt, I I think maybe it's time for 470 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: us to pause for a word from our sponsors and 471 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: then maybe return with some what do you think voicemail? 472 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: We've got some juice here. Oh we do? Do you do? 473 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: You want to hear a weird thing my son said 474 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: just before we go to break, oh so much. Yes, okay, 475 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: So we're He was playing Mario Odyssey on his little 476 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: switch handheld system and he was playing and I'm watching him. 477 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: He's telling me what's happening, and then he pauses. He 478 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: turns the camera in the game. There's a gumba. He's 479 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: looking at a gumba and he goes, Dad, that gumba 480 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: is sus like said, don't worry. Don't worry, Dad, it's okay. 481 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: Sus just means suspicious. And I was like, okay, thanks, 482 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: thanks a little bro. That's not so. It's creepy, I'd 483 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: argue is endearing, right, I know, I it was just 484 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: it's the only thing I could find in my text. Okay, 485 00:30:54,280 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: here's our break, and we have returned. You know, I 486 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: feel like I was talking a big game at the 487 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: beginning of this segment when I say we're going to 488 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: go through a bunch of stuff, Um, just because everything 489 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: we get is so interesting. Uh, it can be difficult, Matt. 490 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure you can agree. It can be difficult for 491 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: us sometimes in these segments to try to keep it 492 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: to a concise kind of conversation. Right, we always find 493 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: ourselves on the precipice of a rabbit hole. So, Matt, 494 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: you found one that I have yet to hear. I'm 495 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 1: gonna be hearing it for the first time when our 496 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists on the air now, and I think 497 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: Doc hasn't heard it before either. But all you put 498 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: in your notes was can I say this part out loud? Folks? 499 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: All Matt put in the notes is behold a pyramid. 500 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: So color me intrigued. Here we go. This is Mohawk 501 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: Mick with a separate story or rather inquiry. Um, there's 502 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: a pyramid out in the Denver area. No, I'm sorry, 503 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: it's actually in the Michigan area, outside of Grand Rapids. 504 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: I apologize. I traveled a lot. We looked into it. 505 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: Upon finding it, It's a large, perfect pyramid out in 506 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: the middle of nothing around it signed saying that drones 507 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: will be deployed for trespassers. We looked into its past 508 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: and it was a central gathering information gathering post originally, 509 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: and then they tried to make it into a college 510 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: and the last we found that there was absolutely nothing 511 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: being done with its extremely weird scenarios behind its history. 512 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: I'll send you some links to the information we found 513 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: and see if you guys could uh maybe use your 514 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: expertise to dig a little bit further. Um, apologize us 515 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: for the beginning of the message here Again, I travel 516 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: a lot and I got a little misplaced. Thank you 517 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: so much against everything you guys do. So first off, 518 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna point this out. Mohawk Mick. You have an 519 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: amazing voice. I know, God, it's so good. I finally 520 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: saw that thing on Here's where it gets Crazy or 521 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: Facebook group that was talking about the voices of you 522 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: and and Noel, and I finally read through that whole thread, 523 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: like I'm rigging this election. Everyone votes, man. I appreciate that, 524 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: but I didn't need to be on that list. All right, 525 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: come on, But if Mohawk Mick was part of the show, 526 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: he hands down would take like he'd win it for sure. Yeah, 527 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: there are a couple of voices that that's just soothing. 528 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't listen to. I would listen to 529 00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: Mohawk Mick read a list of ingredients, you know, and 530 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: that would probably still find some sort of serenity. You 531 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: should do meditation videos on YouTube or about with that 532 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: SMR stuff. You should do that, Mohawk Mike. No, definitely 533 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: the creepy kind. So I don't know if this is 534 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: the place you're talking about, Mick, but this is what 535 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: I found. It's outside of Grand Rapids, Michigan. I found 536 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,919 Speaker 1: it via Atlas Obscura. It's called the steel Case Pyramid. Now, again, 537 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is what you're talking about, 538 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 1: but this is what I think might be it. It's 539 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: described as one lonely modern pyramid that's gone from corporate 540 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: think tank to deserted boondoggle. That's their little subtitle there. 541 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: You can again steel Case one word pyramid. You can 542 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: find images of it. It looks like very modern pyramid 543 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 1: that's just kind of out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, yeah, 544 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't look like work of ancient stone 545 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: or anything like that. Actually, looks really nifty, and you can. 546 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: You know, when I see photographs of this kind of stuff, 547 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: it's it's like you mommy to me, man, it's red meat, 548 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: it's snack time. I love urban exploration. I love gigantic 549 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: abandoned buildings. You know, one day I'm going to get 550 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 1: into that huge abandoned hotel in North Korea. Well, we'll 551 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: see my fall apart first. But I hope you get 552 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: to go to if you want to. Sorry, if you 553 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: want to. Yeah, the trick is getting out, so so 554 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: I think getting in might not be as as hard 555 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: as you think. Um. But with with this like it does, um, 556 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: it looks epic And that's not hyperbolic to say. It's 557 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: surprising to find that such a large, unique building would 558 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,919 Speaker 1: end up being abandoned, isn't it. So let's talk about 559 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: what its original purpose was, why it was built. It's 560 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: called the steel Case Pyramid because that's the company steel Case. 561 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,800 Speaker 1: They're a designer furniture manufacturer. At least they they were 562 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: at some point, and it was built in nine. That 563 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: thing looks like it's pretty modern is when it was built, 564 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: it was an R and D center. Now you know, 565 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: a pyramid, it really does look like a pyramid. A 566 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: pyramid structure is an interesting design for that kind of 567 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: thing you feel like you may need, oh I don't know, uh, 568 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: factory kind of facility, a large, open, high ceilinged place 569 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: to test out, you know, your furniture and other things, 570 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: to build new stuff, to actually have a large manufacturing setup. Well, 571 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: the pyramid itself is seven stories tall, and it is 572 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: a pyramid, so you can imagine the floor on the 573 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: bottom is larger than the floor above it, and then 574 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: so on and so on and so on until you 575 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,919 Speaker 1: to the seventh floor, which is apparently just a really 576 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: nice penthouse, like a place to stay and chill and 577 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: maybe be the CEO or the at least the person 578 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,720 Speaker 1: who runs the factory. Um. But the cool thing about 579 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: this bend, oh my god, what's got my gears turning, 580 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: is that beneath the pyramid itself there's a giant series 581 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: of basement sub basements where they actually did the R 582 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 1: and D and the testing and all kinds of stuff 583 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: down there. It's during West World to me, yeah, yeah, 584 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 1: and we know a little bit more about this as well, 585 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: because you see, this thing isn't just going to go 586 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: to ground and rout Away. Other people like Mohawk make 587 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: and like Matt and myself clearly saw the value in 588 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: this unique structure, and they liked all the cool stuff 589 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: about it, and they said, hey, let's resurrect this right now. 590 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: As far as we can tell, the Steelcase pyramid is 591 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: not in fact abandoned. That's right. You can head on 592 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: over to Switch dot com, s w I, T c 593 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: H dot com and read all about their grand rapids 594 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: ex A scale data center. Whoa, it's now. Well, I 595 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: don't know if they actually painted it white and red 596 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: like this, but it appears to be painted white and 597 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: gray with a bunch of red highlights, and it is 598 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: a giant data center, as Mohawk Mick I think alluded 599 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: to in his message Yeah yeah, Hey. And this pyramid, 600 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: or at least Steelcase, the company that originally created it, 601 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: we know a good bit about their history. They have 602 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: a Wikipedia page that's pretty well sourced and relatively comprehensive. 603 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: We can tell you a little bit about why it's 604 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: called steel Case. It's not a vast conspiracy. The company 605 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: just wanted to call itself that because of an advertising 606 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: campaign that was meant to promote metal office furniture over 607 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: wooden office furniture sounds like big steels getting in there. 608 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: Big steel, which is a real thing, very much so 609 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: it is this. Yeah, this company switch that purchased it 610 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: in appears to be the current owner as well. I 611 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: don't know yet whether they give tours, but I assume 612 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: it's probably like a lot of other office buildings. Unless 613 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: the data they're holding is super secure, classified or supersensitive, 614 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: then it might be a thing where you can go 615 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: into the lobby. By all accounts, the lobby also looks 616 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: really cool. There's like a massive pendulum hanging from the interior. 617 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: You can go maybe into the lobby and just say like, hey, 618 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: I wanna go on a tour. Uh mohawk Mix sent me, Yeah, 619 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: do it. Do it. There's also a switch center in Atlanta, 620 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 1: and I don't know if they sick drones on you there, 621 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: but we can at least try it out. It seems 622 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: like it's pretty sensitive stuff. Let's let's not all go 623 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 1: to the switch centers. Okay, that's private property. I'm a 624 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: little nervous. Well, you can write to these folks or 625 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: send them an email or call them and see if 626 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: they would be okay with giving you a tour, you know, yeah, 627 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: for sure, just just just go about it, right. You 628 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: didn't hear it from us, didn't you hear it from us? 629 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,760 Speaker 1: So with that, we also want to hear about anomalous 630 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: or strange or extraordinary structures in your neck of the 631 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: global woods. Bonus points if you can tell us some 632 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: local lore or legends about them. You know, I love 633 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: that stuff. I will go visit that abandoned hospital. Just 634 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 1: tell us where it is, you know what I mean? Yeah, sure, 635 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: I guess that I feel about that stuff the way 636 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: that you feel about flame, which is, oh, no, I 637 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: get it, I get it. You just want to give 638 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 1: the old structures a hug? No, same, got it? Yeah, 639 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: because I'm so pro hug as you know. Uh. We 640 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: we wanted to end today's Today's show with a little 641 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: bit of a mystery, and this was This is your idea, Matt, 642 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: and I think it's a really cool idea. We received 643 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: a mysterious phone call that might send you on your 644 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: own rabbit hole up not you found this, how about 645 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: you set it up for us. We can play it 646 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: and then we can see what our fellow listeners dig up. Yeah. 647 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what will do. You're you're on 648 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: the case for this one. You're ready. This message comes 649 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,919 Speaker 1: from someone that throws a really funny, just quick little 650 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: joke as they give us this brief cryptic message and mission. 651 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: Hey guys, this is her. I'm gonna try and keep 652 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: this clean. I'm just gonna give you a date and 653 00:41:52,920 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: I want you guys to go January thirteen, the place, Hawaii. 654 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: Have a good night, wonderful and and yeah, full disclosure, Matt, 655 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that we have our own belief on 656 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,880 Speaker 1: what we think this thing is. Right, I think we know. 657 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: Can you figure it out too? How you have to 658 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: do is google ith Man. This would be so much 659 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: more fun if the Internet wasn't a thing. Yes, yes, uh, 660 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: well let us know what you find. We can't wait 661 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: to hear from you. Thanks as always for tuning in. 662 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: Thanks one only code named dot Holiday. Here's how you 663 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 1: can find us online. Yeah, so we're gonna tell you. 664 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: But then, for some reason, it tickled me greatly that 665 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,360 Speaker 1: that caller said, Hey, this is Swiffer, I'm going to 666 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: keep this one cleanly, really well. You can find us 667 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: all over the place. We are on Twitter and Facebook 668 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,319 Speaker 1: and YouTube at conspiracy Stuff You can also find us 669 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: on Instagram where we are Conspiracy Stuff Show. Gotta add 670 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: that extra show in there. 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