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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one, seventy six,

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Speaker 1: Episode two of Len Guys to production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. It's Tuesday, March one. My name

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Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien a k A. Trip me once, shame

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Speaker 1: on you trip me twice. I can't get tripped again.

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Speaker 1: That is of Red George's reference to me claiming that

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Speaker 1: I was untrippable. I believe last week. And I'll introduce

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Speaker 1: my co host, and then I have a story that

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Speaker 1: that happened to me that very night. I'm thrilled to

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Speaker 1: be joined as always by my co host, Mr Miles Grass,

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Speaker 1: Miles Gray, a K Horonomous Washed a k NBA All Star,

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Speaker 1: Chris Washed a k A. Daniel wash of Washed two

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Speaker 1: point oh or Washed point no or at Star washeda

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Speaker 1: Baron Cohen a K A from the visionary director J. J.

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Speaker 1: Abrams the hit TV show Wash. Shout out to Christie

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Speaker 1: Alma Gucci May for you know. I guess he he

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Speaker 1: cluded in he got glued into the fact that we

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Speaker 1: were dealing with our where we where we stood on

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Speaker 1: the time space, time continue and taste. I love when

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Speaker 1: we give them just a little inch, a little like

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Speaker 1: we're like, we're washed, and then there's like twenty fucking washed.

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Speaker 1: It's true. We are old as fuck. We are also

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Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the brilliant,

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Speaker 1: the talented Cerise Castle. Welcome. Hi, Hi, thanks for stopping by. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me on What's what's what's what's good

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Speaker 1: in your part of town? You're in l A, right,

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Speaker 1: I am in l A. Yes, Yeah, weather's okay, weather

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Speaker 1: over there, little fold because it could always be warmer

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, Yeah, what is it? Jack has a

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Speaker 1: theory that it's the houses just not insulated properly. That's

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Speaker 1: why when it's cold, all the houses stay cold here.

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Speaker 1: I believe it. Yeah, I don't know. It just seems

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Speaker 1: like it gets colder at higher temperatures here inside houses.

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Speaker 1: Or are we just so you know, sensitive to things

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Speaker 1: not being around seventy degrees that it's like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I think something's wrong with this house. We're a population

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Speaker 1: of people who moved for the most part, miles. I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't wanna be an annoying local erasure of locals,

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Speaker 1: but there's a lot of people here, who who moved

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Speaker 1: here to pursue a world that is always seventy two degrees? Uh,

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Speaker 1: so maybe that's maybe there's some sampling error there, But

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Speaker 1: real quick, I did want to mention that I think

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Speaker 1: the very day that we recorded the episode about how

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Speaker 1: I am impossible to trip, that wasn't what the whole

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Speaker 1: episode wasn't that sperience, but it was something that I

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Speaker 1: absolutely bragged about for some reason. That night, I was

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Speaker 1: walking downstairs grab my wife a snack that she could

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Speaker 1: slipped on the top step and uh, in such a

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Speaker 1: cartoonish fashion that I threw my phone up in the

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Speaker 1: air and it fell all the way down over the

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Speaker 1: banister and shattered. So I was without a phone all weekend. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And it was like literally like Mr Bean combined with

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Speaker 1: the woman from that commercial about how iPhones new iPhones

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Speaker 1: are unbreakable or whatever, but she only dropped it from

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Speaker 1: like shoulder height down. I dropped it, Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: a whole story down, and you gave us some added

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Speaker 1: hype I throwing it up first, Yeah I did. I

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Speaker 1: did make that sound. And my wife said, you're so

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Speaker 1: it combines both a k S I'm washed as fucked

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Speaker 1: and incredibly tripable easy to trip. I'm I might be

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Speaker 1: one of the more easy to trip people in the world. Uh. Anyways, series,

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Speaker 1: we're going to get to know you a little bit

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Speaker 1: better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners

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Speaker 1: a couple of the things we're talking about. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about that uh Cloak and Dagger club that was

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Speaker 1: used goth trappings and uh eyes, wide shut vibes too, cloak,

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Speaker 1: what was essentially an old fashioned toxic rape culture. UM.

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Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about the police

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, how they treated one of the murder victims

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Speaker 1: husbands compared to how they treated the murderer. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about series's peace a tradition of violence,

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Speaker 1: the history of deputy gangs in the Los Angeles County

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Speaker 1: blowing chips. So we're gonna talk about that. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about Spring break in Miami. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: that college scandal getting the obligatory streaming documentary. Uh, kind

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Speaker 1: of a dramatic film like woven in There. Also real

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Speaker 1: easy on the parents. Oh yeah, uh, and on the institutions.

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Speaker 1: It's just like this guy what a what a huckster? Huh,

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Speaker 1: but you kind of gotta kind of gotta appreciate his hustle. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about all of that plenty more. But first three,

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Speaker 1: we like to ask our guests, what is something from

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Speaker 1: your search history that is revealing about who you are,

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Speaker 1: what you're up to? Uh, that sort of thing. Oh god,

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Speaker 1: I mean my search history is all just like deputy

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Speaker 1: gang ship for a Google search, because I saw you

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Speaker 1: to do they just be like share deputy blah blah

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Speaker 1: sort of doing that kind of research using Google and stuff? Yeah? Um,

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Speaker 1: so generally when I use Google, um for that sort

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Speaker 1: trying to find out, um, what they're up to in

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Speaker 1: their current life. Probably the best one that I found

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Speaker 1: is a man named Cliff Yates who was responsible for

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Speaker 1: at least one death that we know of, a man

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Speaker 1: This guy is now trying to be an actor. So

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Speaker 1: when you pull him up on Google Goal, you get

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Speaker 1: motivational YouTube channel. Um, you get books that he's written

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Speaker 1: that he's written about being a law enforcement officer for

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Speaker 1: thirty five years, called Deputy. And that's where a book

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Speaker 1: in which he describes police work as quote hunting for humans.

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Speaker 1: I am on Cliff Yates dot com right now, uh

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Speaker 1: and uh, I mean I think that also speaks to

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Speaker 1: to haunt humans is do we know? Does he is

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Speaker 1: he actually working as an actor? Um, he's put on

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Speaker 1: a few comedy shows regular. Of course, it's some common

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Speaker 1: fun that he's a regular at the comedy store. He was, yes.

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Speaker 1: Oh shit, man, If anyone if annys like getting has

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Speaker 1: witnessed the comedic stylings of Cliff Yates hit us up

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Speaker 1: what is something you think is overrated? Hm? Hmmm, something

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Speaker 1: I think is overrated? I would say tooth gems tooth

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Speaker 1: know a lot of tooth gemmers. When I was um

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Speaker 1: Like in quarantine, people wearing tooth gems. I just think

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Speaker 1: something about that. It's just like I don't know too far.

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Speaker 1: Like I want I want grills on my cannines, on

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Speaker 1: like on your fucking teeth, like the fuck. I also

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Speaker 1: love the overlap of COVID party throwers and gemmers, and

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Speaker 1: it's just a circle. It's just like, you know, I

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Speaker 1: the same people that you hear mutterings about for you know,

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Speaker 1: And they still continue to operate to this day, and

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Speaker 1: celebrities like go to them, like the game hosted and

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Speaker 1: they operate pretty openly and no one really seems to

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Speaker 1: is it against women? Is it sex workers? Are we

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Speaker 1: then going to have a conversation about how we create

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Speaker 1: a new way of communicating, of looking at people with

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Speaker 1: more empathy, um in that sense, But no, it's just

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Speaker 1: sort of let's just argue about the labels first, to

431
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Speaker 1: not do anything substantive, and it's just it's just yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it happens every time, happens every single time. UM,

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Speaker 1: And it's it's starting to feel you know, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's already just it's just compounding a NonStop year of

435
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: shitty events. You all right, let's talk, uh sis about

436
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Speaker 1: about the piece you are reporting for knock l A.

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Speaker 1: Is that uh you can you talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: first of all about that publication and like how how

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00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: the peace came came about? Yeah, definitely. UM. So knock

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00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: l A is the journalism arm of a nonprofit here

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00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: in l A called ground Game UM. And they do

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00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: organizing around UM, you know, like voter registration, UM. They

443
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: help people get the vaccine. UM. They did some mutual

444
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: aid at the beginning of the pandemic and I believe

445
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: that's still ongoing. So they're great. And they have this

446
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: journalism outfit that is doing some really great work. As

447
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: far as independent media in the Los Angeles UM landscape,

448
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: there isn't too much of that, so they're a great addition.

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00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: I reached out to them with a list that I

450
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: had got my hands on through some public records actual

451
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: requests UM. And it's a list that the County of

452
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles keeps of litigation that they've been involved in

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Speaker 1: where deputy gangs have been involved. And I went to

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Speaker 1: knock and I said, hey, like this is UM. I

455
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: think this list could turn into you know, a pretty

456
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: big project, UM, and I'd love to work with you

457
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Speaker 1: to use this to sort of create a history of

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Speaker 1: what we know about deputy gangs in the Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Department. And they said, yes, of course, let's

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Speaker 1: get started. And they were really great, UM with helping

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Speaker 1: me first of all, pay for everything. UM. Although all

462
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: of this stuff is public record, you do have to

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Speaker 1: pay for it, and that adds up very quickly. This

464
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: series cost over three thousand dollars to just research. They

465
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: were really great with providing me with some research assistance

466
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Speaker 1: to get through quite literally tens of thousands of pages

467
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Speaker 1: of documents UM in the past six months. And they

468
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: gave me a great home for the website. And they

469
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: are helping me build a database of all of the

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Speaker 1: law enforcement officials that we have identified that have an

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Speaker 1: affiliate with a deputy gang, which will be available for

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Speaker 1: the public to use and it will be a living

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Speaker 1: document that we will be updating for years to come.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. So, I mean, for I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people they've heard us talk about deputy gangs before

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Speaker 1: on this show. We've referenced it, We've talked about like

477
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Speaker 1: any time. Maybe it becomes a slight news story and

478
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 1: then vanishes pretty quickly. We like to touch on it,

479
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Speaker 1: but can you kind of just walk us through the

480
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: evolution of the like the gangs within the Sheriff's department

481
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: in Nelly County, Yeah, definitely. So the gangs in the

482
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles County Sheriff's apartment have existed at least since

483
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Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, starting with a gang called the Little

484
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Speaker 1: Devils that was based out of the East Los Angeles station.

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Speaker 1: There was a huge event in the seventies called the

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Speaker 1: Chicano Moratorium, which I'm sure you've talked about on this

487
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Speaker 1: show as well, Um, which was a demonstration of about

488
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Speaker 1: people in East Los Angeles, a heavy the Latin next area,

489
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Speaker 1: demonstrating against the Vietnam War. And this event, it's alleged

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Speaker 1: that Little Devils were a part of a group of

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Speaker 1: deputies that brutalized people at this demonstration. Um, you know

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Speaker 1: the photos from what happened that they are atrocious. A

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Speaker 1: journalist was even killed by a deputy who shot a

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Speaker 1: can of tear gas at him. His name was Ruben Salazar.

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Speaker 1: So after that happened, a investigation was done, or I'll

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Speaker 1: say investigation invitations. Yeah, so it was the chief was

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Speaker 1: asked to identify members of the Little Devils and a

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00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: list was made. But that's that's all that really happened

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00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: with that, as far as we know, they were put

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Speaker 1: on a list, and from that point, I mean, deputy

501
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: gangs were pretty much allowed to flourish. Um. The sheriff

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Speaker 1: at that time, Sherman Block, he said um that he

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Speaker 1: thought gang members probably got a kick out of deputies

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Speaker 1: being in a gang and flashing gang signs at them.

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Speaker 1: At that time, we know of at least um, let's see,

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Speaker 1: following the nineteen seventies, we know of probably four gangs

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Speaker 1: that were functioning between the eighties and the nineties. Those

508
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Speaker 1: are the Wayside Whities in the Wayside Honor Rancher Jail,

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Speaker 1: the cave Men, which was sort of like a second

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Speaker 1: generation of the Little Devils at the East Los Angeles Station.

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Speaker 1: And there were the Linwood Vikings, which is probably the one,

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Speaker 1: um we know the most about. They were based in

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Speaker 1: the Linwood Station and they were identified as a white

514
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Speaker 1: supremacist gang by a US federal judge. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: that didn't mean they were exclusively white. They had several

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Speaker 1: um Latino and black members. Um, they're Viking tattoos. They

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Speaker 1: would change the horns to signify their ethnic identity. And

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Speaker 1: you know, they would just essentially go out and terrorize people.

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00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: They would you know, hold families at gunpoint, um and

520
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: execute unauthorized searches. They chased people and shot them. They

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Speaker 1: murdered people. One investigator that I spoke to, he believes

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Speaker 1: that a deputy is responsible for the murder of a

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Speaker 1: client of his that he represented in a class action

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Speaker 1: suit against the Sheriff's Department in the Linwood station that

525
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: was called Darren Thomas versus Los Angeles that he was

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Speaker 1: settled in the nineties. But that's how we got a

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Speaker 1: lot of information about the vikings was as a results

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Speaker 1: of that case. And in terms of like gangs, right,

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Speaker 1: we use the term gang and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: if you're thinking of a street gang, like they're involved

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Speaker 1: in you know, drugs or whatever other kind of racket, racketeering,

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Speaker 1: whatever kind of activities. First, what are the activities of

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Speaker 1: like a sheriff's deputy gang, Like, what what are the

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Speaker 1: act like what do we see them engage in that

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Speaker 1: is sort of specific to these organized groups within the department. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say they functioned pretty much like a typical

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Speaker 1: criminal street gang. The California penal code um there are

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Speaker 1: a couple of signifiers that they look forward to categorize

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Speaker 1: something as a street gang, one of which is a

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Speaker 1: common hand sign, common tattoo. We've got that and engaged

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Speaker 1: in crimes. We've seen deputy gangs engage in, you know, drugs.

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Speaker 1: We've seen them engage in robberies. We've seen them engage in, yes,

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00:33:53,960 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: drive by shootings, assaults, murders, so, you know, rape much

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00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: anything that a criminal streak gang does, the deputy gang does.

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00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: They're just doing it in uniform right and using the

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Speaker 1: authority of this state to justify the violence. And then

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00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: it seems like every time that they are uh, somebody

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00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: attempts to bring them to justice, and the police force

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00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: of the city tries to like deal with the gangs.

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Speaker 1: There's a pattern of it being so weak or so

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00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: ineffectual the penalties that the gangs almost seem entitled to

552
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: do more and do worse, like, at least so far

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00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: in your reporting the part that I'm up to, it

554
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: just seems like it's a pattern of them doing something unbelievably,

555
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, out in the open brutal racist They get

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00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: brought up on that and there's either settlement, but there's

557
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: never any criminal repercussions, and and that seems to make

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00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: the gangs feel like, oh ship, we can we can

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00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: do this and more. Oh yeah, in terms of like

560
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: saying right, we have to bring things into the light

561
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: of day, right to try and sanitize the situation. What

562
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: are the current obstacles I mean, aside from you know,

563
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: systemic white supremacy that allows these sort of structures to

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00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: remain in place. Are what are the kinds of awareness

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00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: that we can bring to the public to obviously create

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Speaker 1: more public pressure or how do we how what is

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00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: what is the way to remedy this based on what

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00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: you've investigated? Yeah, um, well, there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: groups that have been involved in this work for a

570
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: long time, which longer than I've been investigating it. One

571
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: in particular that um I would like to point people

572
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: to is to check the SHAREFF Coalition. They work with

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00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: the a c l U that has been monitoring deputy

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00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: gangs for years um and they're organizing around a lot

575
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: of things that could change these policies. Like one thing

576
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: that I learned about that I didn't know about was

577
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: the peace Officer's Bill of Rights, which is a law

578
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: that exists in most states that gives UM law enforcement

579
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: officers the right to know everything about an investing a

580
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: criminal investigation that they are the subject of. They get

581
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: to meet with a union representative and a lawyer and

582
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: review all that before they talked to any investigators. The

583
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: investigation has to be completed within a year or they

584
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: cannot be charged. Um. And that's that's the case in

585
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: most states. Um, So this isn't. This isn't that's not

586
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: specifically just a Los Angeles problem. That's that's something that's

587
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: happening all over the country. But yeah, it's it seems

588
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: like this this is a problem, Like when you read

589
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: about reporting of corruption and NYPD, like there's all sorts

590
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: of well, it might not be like organized gangs with

591
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: hand signals like that. It seems like there's a very

592
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: common problem there. Yeah. I mean, it's just that it's

593
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Speaker 1: impossible to bring them to criminal justice under the current system,

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00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: and that of course they're going to feel entitled to

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00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: continue to I think the first your first report is

596
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: called the protected class um, which I think is fitting right.

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00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one other thing I'd want to mention is, UM,

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00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: when we're looking at l A specifically about this. UM,

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00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: another reason why you won't see a lot of these

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00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: deputies charged in these shootings. UM it goes back to

601
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: the district attorney. Right. The district attorney is the one

602
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: who decides whether or not they'll be prosecuted. The district

603
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: attorney and the sheriffs are now in the same union,

604
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: I believe, so you know, there's a really symbiotic relationship there. UM.

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00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: Oftentimes the police union, you know, they'll just straight up

606
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: threatened the district attorneys. UM, and they'll say, you know,

607
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: like if you're going to prosecute our guys, like, don't

608
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: count on us to show up and testify when you have,

609
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, a high profile case, that type of thing.

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00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: The union will really hold people hostage. So there are

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00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people involved in this, right Yeah. I

612
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: mean even over the summer, like when even the city

613
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: council here was even mulling over defunding the police department

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Speaker 1: or law enforcement like the show of force to be

615
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: like hey, we you know a very like very seemingly

616
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: innocent being like hey, we're all here together. But when

617
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: you see a group of people telling you, oh, man,

618
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: like who's going to protect you? Who's going to protect you?

619
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Speaker 1: And saying things like that to somebody who's possibly in

620
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Speaker 1: a position to bring accountability, like, yeah, you see that

621
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Speaker 1: there's many things at work that's a you know, propping

622
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: them up. Who's going to protect you from us? Right? Essentially?

623
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Speaker 1: For instance, yeah, the the Salads our story was wild, like, uh,

624
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Speaker 1: that's kind of where you're reporting starts, and so he

625
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: was a journalist who had been critical of law enforcement, right,

626
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: and then he gets you know, shot and killed by

627
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Speaker 1: a crowd controlled device, which is something we're still seeing

628
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Speaker 1: to this day, like maiming people. Yeah. Yeah, that story

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Speaker 1: was really hard for me, um to read because it's

630
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: it's like kind of like looking in a mirror, right,

631
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: like doing the same stuff now I've been shot um

632
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Speaker 1: with less than lethal ammunitions by police. Um, yeah, it's

633
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Speaker 1: the same things are happening today, right, Like the work

634
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: that you're doing is so important and something that to me,

635
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Speaker 1: I would immediately begin to shy away from, like you know,

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Speaker 1: just to be like the fear that I already have

637
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: in innately of police. But then for you, like and

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Speaker 1: the work that all people do activists around this, I

639
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Speaker 1: think is really impressive because yeah, like there are examples

640
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Speaker 1: of retaliation for those trying to bring them to account,

641
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: and like reading that on top of the history of

642
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: how these gangs operate, it's really just seems like a

643
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: like a like just a daunting task, but one that,

644
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: like you said, is absolutely necessary for people to become

645
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: aware of it because the more it just operates in secrecy,

646
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: then it's just gonna proliferate and flourish and we'll the

647
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, we're like, wow, how did this

648
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: get here? Because we haven't brought the attention to it.

649
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: So for that, like, yeah, very grateful for the work

650
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: that you and many others do in that in that space,

651
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: because it helps us to sort of understand really what's

652
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: at stake in the city. The story about them, Um,

653
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: I think it's a person in the community that they murdered,

654
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: and then that when that man's child is like a teenager,

655
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: they threatened the child basically too, saying like we we

656
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: have our eye on you. Like it's like they're generationally

657
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: like cruel and uh talia tory against just anyone who

658
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: crosses them. Yeah, I was speaking to the family of Um,

659
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 1: a family member of Anthony Vargas yesterday and that's a

660
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: young man who was killed by the Los Angeles County

661
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: Sheriff's apartment UM Bendito s gang. And she was telling

662
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: me that, you know, the deputies will park outside of

663
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: her house and talk to her nieces and nephews and

664
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: threaten um Anthony's older brother. So you know this, like

665
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 1: I said, that story that you were talking about, Jack,

666
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: that happened thirty years ago, but these same tactics like

667
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: that that that was going on this week. Unbelievable. All right, Well,

668
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: hopefully we can have you back as the as more

669
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: parts of the story are published. All right, let's take

670
00:41:52,239 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll be right back, and we're back,

671
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: and before we move on three. So I was just

672
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: curious because I I think, you know, heading into uh,

673
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: I guess, the my adult life. I assumed that the

674
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: mainstream media was like doing was like good enough, you know, uh,

675
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: sufficient to you know, fulfill the obligation of journalism and

676
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: in our country, into our society, and that like you know,

677
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: weeklies or alternative papers, all weeklies when I was becoming

678
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: an adult, is what they were like. That that was

679
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, just additional stuff, but if it was like

680
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: really important that the mainstream media would kind of report

681
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: on it. So I was just curious to hear you

682
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: talk about like how you made the decision to kind

683
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: of go to publish this report through uh, you know,

684
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: ground Game, as opposed to like l A Times with

685
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: the New York Times, which seems like you should be

686
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: reporting on this front page. Definitely, Um, And I'll just

687
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: make a quick distinction of Knock is like technically separate

688
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: from ground Game. They're they're friends, but technically separate. I Yeah. So,

689
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: I mean this is a story that I've wanted to

690
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: do for years. And this is a story that you know,

691
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: a lot of those organizations that you just shout it out,

692
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, this is

693
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: something that they've known about for longer than I've been alive. Frankly, Um,

694
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: there were articles that I read, um from papers like

695
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: that where they would put in like two paragraphs about

696
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, these deputy gangs and then move on and

697
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: forget about it. Frankly, it's just not something that they're

698
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: interested in. I've worked in newsrooms in places like that,

699
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: and I recently had a very public reckoning with one

700
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: of them, Casey or w where I spoke about the

701
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: racism that I faced. So, you know, frankly, in my opinion,

702
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: this just isn't something that mainstream news rooms are interested in.

703
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 1: One because it affects low income people of color, which

704
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: they don't think is a community worth investing in or

705
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: worth covering. UM. Secondly, a lot of mainstream organizations just

706
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: like don't want to take this stuff seriously UM stories

707
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: that go on in places like that. I can't tell

708
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: you how many times I have pitched stories UM focusing

709
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: in brown and black, low income communities that are passed

710
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: over again and again and again. So this story didn't

711
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: happen before because of systemic racism. And I chose to

712
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: go with an independent news outlet because they were the

713
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: ones that We're willing to spend money that they frankly

714
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: didn't have, and time that people were volunteering their time

715
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: to help me with us. They knew that it was

716
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: something worth investing in. And frankly, I think that that's

717
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: really where good reporting happens, because mainstream use rooms just

718
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: frankly don't give a ship. They have their own agendas

719
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: and it's just to be complicit in upholding the facto

720
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: white supremacy or whatever, and any story that gets near

721
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: something that would bring awareness that could precipitate some change,

722
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: like is it worth it is? It's something we're interested in.

723
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: Will people read it without actually thinking of, like fundamentally,

724
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: how you're supposed to operate journalistic, like in terms of

725
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: a journalist or an outlet to inform the public about

726
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: what is happening where they live. And that's that advocation

727
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 1: of responsibilities. Yeah, it's sucked up. And then we're left

728
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: to having to a think of like where our news

729
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: comes from, and I think most people aren't able to

730
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: even think critically of where their news is coming from

731
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: and how it's being presented and why it's being presented

732
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: a certain way. Yeah, alright, Uh so we are gonna

733
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 1: make that the very first link where people can read

734
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: a traditional violence the history of Deputy Gangs in the

735
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department in the foot notes. But um,

736
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: and people need to check it out because it's frankly

737
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: better than anything I've ever read in the New York

738
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: Times or Los Angeles Times, And thank you so much.

739
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: I've been rejected from both both of those newsrooms. UM

740
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: uh yeah, so thank you for that compliment. Yeah, that's

741
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: what's so upsetting for us to to talk about like

742
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: always what's in the news, and we're like, there's so

743
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: many things that are in the news that are not

744
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: in the news, you know what I mean. Um, And

745
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: it takes like having to be like, Okay, well we're

746
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: not going to count in fucking MSNBC. They're gonna talk

747
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: about this ship. Um. So you know, people have to

748
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: constantly look and remind ourselves about like truly like what

749
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: what the news is trying to get people to think

750
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: about their own world at times. Yeah, I try to

751
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: actively avoid uh, MSNBC, CNN, New York Times, like just

752
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: because I think that that is the sort of of

753
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: mainstream narrative that our listeners probably encounter the most. And yeah,

754
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: it's incredibly biased. Let me say something else about the

755
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: New York Times now that since we're airing them out.

756
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: I once at a meeting with an editor at the

757
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: New York Times, um for a story, and it was

758
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: a story that had been covered before by a smaller outlet,

759
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: and you know, I I went into the meeting saying,

760
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: you know, this is this has been done by a

761
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: smaller outlet. But you know, don't worry. I've got I've

762
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: got another angle. It's different. And they said, huh, okay,

763
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: so done, buy a smaller outlet. Hut. And I start

764
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: panicking a little bit, you know, like, oh God, like

765
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: they're going to kill my pitch. And she says, New

766
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: York Times hasn't done. It hasn't happened yet. And that's

767
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: that's truly the attitude that they have any and like,

768
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 1: we see how many how many journalists do we see

769
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: saying I wrote this story six months ago, and now

770
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: The New York Times is running it like it's a

771
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: brand new thing. That's that's their bread and butter. It's

772
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: what they do that in normalizing Nazis. Yes, they're like,

773
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, this Nazi likes fucking I can't believe

774
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: it's not butter spray? Would you believe it? Anyway? Alright,

775
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 1: let's talk about spring Break, which was going off over

776
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: the weekend in Miami on Miami Beach. The videos we're

777
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: pretty wild, just a ton of kids doing I don't know.

778
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: I I have a hard time putting myself in their

779
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: position because I never had a full year of my uh,

780
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: young life just swallowed by a pandemic. But I certainly

781
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: understandable that they're, you know, wanting to get out there.

782
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: I think it's just there's just so many elements too,

783
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: Like one, you have Florida that's like, hey, baby, it's

784
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: wide open down here, because Rhonda Santis is like being like,

785
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: I don't we don't know about COVID. Really forget that

786
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: we have the highest concentrations of the B seven variant

787
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: in the state. But there's a lot of like there's

788
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: just I've seen all so too. Um, just the vaccine

789
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: rollout has definitely contributed for many people that begin like

790
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: operating a new sort of headspace of perceived safety when

791
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure there actually is. I mean, it's

792
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: it's fantastic the vaccine is being rolled out, but not

793
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: to the extent I see and hear people discuss like

794
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: what they think the world is at the moment. So

795
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: in the Mayor of Miami had to set a curfew

796
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 1: from eight pm to six am for the next three weeks.

797
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: Um just trying to just trying to discourage people on

798
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: spring break from coming down there. But I think it's, yeah,

799
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 1: it's tough. You've got a generation of kids who are

800
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: like in their prime partying years, and I try and

801
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 1: put myself in the mindset of an eighteen to twenty

802
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: two year old person, and I'm like, I don't know

803
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: if I kind of I'm fucking reckless. I don't know

804
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: what you want to say. But we're adding layers of like,

805
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: you know, there's responsibility to others in the community you're

806
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: entering the party that isn't quite there. But yeah, just

807
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: it's a just an overall, you know, trend, I think

808
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: in general, not just Miami itself. Like I'm saying, like

809
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: the vaccine rollout is as I see, it feels like

810
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: a very yeah, like has this false sense of safety

811
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are just like immediately buying into,

812
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: even when they themselves are like I'm not gonna get

813
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: the vaccine yet though. But the the like the sound

814
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: bites from some of the kids, they were just saying

815
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: like we will not like I will not stop partying. Um.

816
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: I think one of the quotes was we will continue

817
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: to rage. So I mean, like, what do you how

818
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Speaker 1: do you look at it, like in terms of seeing

819
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Speaker 1: spring Breakers right now series and like the party scene

820
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: you were covering, like the mentality is it? Is it nihilistic?

821
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Speaker 1: Is it pure ignorance? Like how what what sort of

822
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: like the fuel from from how you see it? Yeah,

823
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Speaker 1: I mean the kids that I spoke to in the

824
00:50:54,160 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: party saying they really didn't believe that COVID was dangerous, right. Um.

825
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: A lot of them were telling me that they thought

826
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Speaker 1: that the government was lying to them about, you know,

827
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: how many people had died and the death rates and

828
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: that stuff like that, and they sort of finished it

829
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: off with, you know like, I you know, I'm young,

830
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten sick, and none of my friends have

831
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: gotten sick. Um, so whatever. There, they really weren't um

832
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: so much thinking about people around them and how it

833
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: might affect them. Yeah. I really don't think they really

834
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: care about others. Um, that was my takeaway. Yeah, yeah,

835
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Speaker 1: I mean I'm trying to think of like two year

836
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: old person that actually does care about others at that stage. Um,

837
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Speaker 1: So as you ship, like when you're coming into a

838
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: world that's like societally reflecting back to you that no

839
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Speaker 1: one gives a funk about you, So you know, like

840
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: it's just that you know that I can totally see

841
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: how that feeds the mentality of like nobody gives a

842
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: funk about We don't live in the country where people

843
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: give a funk about each other, So what the funk?

844
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: Why are we now trying to give a funk about

845
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: each other? Yeah? Yeah, And it's hard to like the

846
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: this disease in particular when the people who are so

847
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: who are UM more at risk are not the young

848
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: people who are of like spring break partying age, like A.

849
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Speaker 1: I think it's just even though it's should be simple

850
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Speaker 1: to just be like, yeah, but you're killing old people.

851
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: I feel like that that is a population that's uniquely

852
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: ill suited to give a shit about that, unfortunately, and

853
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: they're killing young people to write. I mean there was

854
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: that I forgot that athlete that collapsed after having COVID,

855
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And even now, like

856
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: you even look at l A, like what overt of

857
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: the people that are in the hospital coming from people

858
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Speaker 1: under fifty although the deaths are happening for people over fifty,

859
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: but right now people under fifty or a majority of

860
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: the hospitalization. So like that. I remember early in the pandemic,

861
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 1: everyone's like, it's an old people's disease, like the old UM.

862
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess it's hard to like inform people

863
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: when and you could get like long COVID too if

864
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: you're young. That's that's the other I think that's even

865
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: scarier than dying. YEA, Yeah, I feel like why didn't

866
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 1: they do like a fucking you know, this is your

867
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: brain on drugs type campaign about COVID, like you know

868
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Speaker 1: what I mean, because everything I had to like seek

869
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: out like medical like journal things that we're talking about

870
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: purely like really what the long term effects could be

871
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: that we're like I think touched on and like a

872
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: sentence or two in a normal like a news article

873
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: like online, But like, those are the moments that really

874
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: had me very much concerned about my safety or what

875
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: it meant to be careless about what I think, how

876
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: contagious it is or isn't, because yeah, I mean we had,

877
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, one of our guy who flew in the

878
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: pandemic to go back home to the UK because the

879
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: borders were closing. She caught COVID on the flight, and

880
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: she was talking about to this day. How you know

881
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: she's she's in her early thirties, not like you know,

882
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: no real health conditions, but still has like you know,

883
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: the brain fog and moments of like real deep fatigue

884
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: and things like that, and that's really something to consider.

885
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: But I guess, you know, again, we all have different calculus.

886
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: We're going into it with our own, you know, risk

887
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: assessment models. Yeah. Um, all right, let's talk about the

888
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: Netflix documentary about the college admission scandal. I don't know

889
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: if uh you guys had a chance to watch that yet.

890
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: I watched over the weekend. Is it a like a

891
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: just feature length documentary documentary. The second I heard they

892
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: weren't going in on everybody as hard as they could,

893
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: I was like, this isn't the thing I want to see,

894
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to do that version of it. It

895
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: basically focuses on the the white haired guy that you

896
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: saw in all the articles, like the mug shots of him. Um,

897
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: and to the point that they have Matthew Modine like

898
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: dramatize a bunch of the conversations. They have transcripts for, um,

899
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: just give Matthew Modein like a terrible haircut and they're like, yeah,

900
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: that'll do. And the conversations like they edited them down,

901
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: but it's you know, they're sort of boring, but they

902
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: do give you a really good understanding of just like

903
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 1: how rich people think about the world and how little

904
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: they think about the ethics of what they're doing, or

905
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: how it affects people who have been less, who have

906
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: been given less than they have, Like that's just completely

907
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: not a consideration, uh, for any of the people. It

908
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: seems like during some of the conversations it's going to

909
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: be and then they're like, look, I don't give a

910
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: shit about the ethics here. I'm just worried, like what

911
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: if people find out about this? Um, yeah that sounds right. Yeah,

912
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that's the way. That's the path

913
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: to like ultra wealth is like I don't give a

914
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: funk about the ethics, Like I can get it right

915
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: and then fuck it. If there's accountability, I'll just fucking

916
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: just say, fucking I'm rich. I don't I'm insulated from

917
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: all this ship. Yeah. It's also was it really that

918
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: jarring to hear how these people would talk? Because I

919
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: feel like in a way you're like, yeah, of course, yeah,

920
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: not jarring at all, not jarring at all, just more

921
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: of like a a interesting collage of that where you're

922
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: just like, man, these motherfucker's and like just little details

923
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: of how they speak and like what they like. There

924
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: are some conversations where one of the moms is like,

925
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: you know, my older sister, yeah, or my older daughter,

926
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: Like she doesn't give a shit about any like any

927
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: of this, so she's not like worried at all. But

928
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: my younger one is actually smart, and it's pretty brutal,

929
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: like how just kind of distance, yeah, detachment as a

930
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: parent to your own children as well. Like there's the

931
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 1: older one that's kind of a weirdo loser, and then

932
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: the younger one though that one's smart. I forget her name,

933
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: But then because it's yeah, it's more important to them

934
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: than it is to the kids obviously, and I think

935
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: more important to them from a like appearance's perspective than

936
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: it is to uh, like what what benefits they think

937
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: they're the kids are getting. The big thing is that

938
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: the university is kind of there. There's like one storyline

939
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: where they look at the sailing coach from Stanford who

940
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: never took any bribes, like directly they all went to

941
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: I think the sailing program and the athletic department, and

942
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: they kind of make the case that like Stanford was

943
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, complete us it and the whole thing. But

944
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: it really is like I don't know, the the whole

945
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: thing seems to be the the universities like these are

946
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: all just people exploiting a wildly corrupt system where you know,

947
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: if you give them enough money, like your kid gets

948
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: in over somebody more deserving of an education than them,

949
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 1: or of that spot than them, right, Yeah, and giving

950
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: it to someone who isn't gonna then enter the world

951
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: and use any of that knowledge. They'll just rest on

952
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: the fact that they have wealth to rely on versus

953
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: people who are trying to get educated for a promobility.

954
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, just more of you know, as

955
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 1: we talk about like wealthy kids and like how much

956
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: the like their parents wealth enables like their lack of

957
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: like evolution as an adult. And yeah, you get to

958
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: this point it's like, yeah, you want to go to

959
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: college or you might learn something, or do you want

960
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: to go for appearances not something substantive because we're here

961
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: in the optics economy, we're not here for actual comes,

962
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: which I think goes across the board. I think for

963
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 1: people who think like that and use their wealth for

964
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: good or whatever the funk it is, it's just for appearances,

965
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: is not about substantive change, and I love them. Yeah, alright.

966
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: And lastly, just an update from a story that we

967
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: I think had mentioned on one of the trending episodes

968
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: last week that movie Pass had a website up that

969
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: was a countdown to the movies starting again or some

970
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: ship and it seemed like movie Pass was going to relaunch.

971
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: That was a it was a prank. Movie Pas is dead.

972
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: Uh and apparently like it was. It might have been

973
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: part of a attempt to like kind of pump up

974
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: their parent companies stock, which did temporarily blip up too

975
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: near one sent to near one penny, so somebody might

976
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: have made uh dozens on that one. Yeah, the timer

977
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: hit zero yesterday. Uh. Nothing, nothing happened except when you

978
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: go to the website, it downloads the text file to

979
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: your computer. So don't go to the website. Uh, it's

980
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: don't don't open whatever it is. One of the people

981
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: who was tracking the story did open it and it

982
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: just said, okay, sorry. This website was made with around

983
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: twenty dollars with no purpose other than two full friends

984
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: tweet out by a Twitter user who we have no

985
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: affiliation with. The media media did pick it up and

986
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: say official movie Pass website, which was completely fabricated by

987
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: those journalists. So, um, you can say journalists at that journalists. Yeah.

988
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: I looked at the U r L. It had the

989
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: word movie pass in there, so yeah, thank you. Also,

990
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: I went to Yale School of Journalism because my parents

991
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: gave them seven exactly. Um, now I write blocks well series.

992
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: It has been such a pleasure having you on TDZ.

993
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Read you? Follow you? Yeah,

994
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: you can find me um on Twitter and Instagram. Um,

995
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: just by my name's Serres Castle Um. And I would

996
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: love it if your listeners are so inclined to check

997
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Speaker 1: out knock l a where my series A tradition of

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Speaker 1: violence is living. And if they're so inclined, please shoot

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Speaker 1: us a dollar or two on the knock Patreon because,

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Speaker 1: like I said this, this research was really expensive and

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Speaker 1: I'd like to keep doing it. Yeah, do that? Is

1002
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Speaker 1: there a tweeter some of the work of social media

1003
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Speaker 1: you've been enjoying, Oh, a work of social media that

1004
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: I've been enjoying. Yes, and I love that baby video,

1005
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: the video of the baby who sees a video of

1006
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: her self crying and it's just like, I like becomes

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01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: like self aware sort of. Yes, Oh baby sees video

1008
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Speaker 1: of self crying. Oh, there's just download a file to

1009
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: your website here. No, yeah, I did a text file,

1010
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Speaker 1: but I just I just saw I just see a

1011
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: still image of this baby going like this, what's going on?

1012
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: But it looked like they fooled me with that. That

1013
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: that's still because it definitely looked like a baby being like,

1014
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: what the fuck is wrong with you? Me? Miles? Where

1015
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: can people find you? What the tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram,

1016
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: Miles of Gray. Also the other podcast for twenty Day

1017
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: Fiance where we just kind of blow some steam off

1018
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: talk about that trash reality show content. Some tweets that

1019
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: I like. First one is from you know Another Value

1020
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Speaker 1: Local Molly Lambert at Molly Lambert is tweeting, well, I

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Speaker 1: walked through the Echo Park thrift and everything was from

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Speaker 1: the two thousands and one girl told her friend a

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Speaker 1: at sea. I guess over all feeling the washedness come

1025
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Speaker 1: up from us. Another one uh from trash Jones at

1026
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Speaker 1: Jay Zucks, tweeting if you hear me telling the same

1027
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Speaker 1: story twice, just let it go. I only have like

1028
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Speaker 1: six memories and they all take turns, Welcome to podcasting,

1029
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Speaker 1: and finally at young thug w y n G t

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I'm here. Um in

1032
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Speaker 1: my mind I was like, what are you talking about? Man?

1033
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Speaker 1: I was burning CDs in two thousand, man, nineteen years right? Okay?

1034
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Speaker 1: Especially just swapping playlist now on Spotify and ship yea.

1035
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Speaker 1: A couple of tweets I have been enjoying. Uh live

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Speaker 1: p tweeted, baby, are you okay? You hardly responded to

1037
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: the Instagram story I posted for the sole purpose of

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Speaker 1: getting a response from you, and h Calathia tweeted, has

1039
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Speaker 1: anyone noticed that you park in a driveway but cry

1040
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: in a Walgreens bathroom? Uh? You can find me on

1041
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: Twitter at Jack Underscore. O'Brien, you can find us on

1042
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: Twitter at daily Zeykegeist. Were at the Daily Zekeeist on Instagram.

1043
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: We have a Facebook fan page and a website, Daily

1044
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: zygeist dot com, where we post our episodes. On our

1045
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,959
Speaker 1: foot notes, y linkoff to the information that we talked

1046
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Speaker 1: about in today's episode, as well as a song that

1047
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Speaker 1: we recommend you go check out and enjoy. Vibes. Uh,

1048
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Speaker 1: specifically this track vibes is right by legendary dance hall

1049
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: reggae artist Barrington Leave Uh. This just has It's a

1050
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Speaker 1: track that, like for being reggae, You're expecting, like the

1051
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Speaker 1: rhythms to drop in, but it doesn't. And still Barrington

1052
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Speaker 1: Levy just scrooning with that voice of his and the

1053
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Speaker 1: vibes is right that the title does not deceive. And

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Speaker 1: if you don't know Barrington Levy is, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe if you like shine from bad Boy into early

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Speaker 1: two thousands, if you remember Sidney what Little Liz good

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Speaker 1: Lie wha um, that was Barrington Levy. If not, you

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Speaker 1: know what, this is a neworts for you to check out.

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Speaker 1: So check that one out. I'm too young to know

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Speaker 1: for this morning. We are back this afternoon to tell

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