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Speaker 1: history class from how Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Tray Wilson and I'm Holly Frying.

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Speaker 1: You know what we haven't talked about in a while?

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Speaker 1: What pirates? It has been a bit and who doesn't

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Speaker 1: story I know, And so today we have the much

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Speaker 1: requested duo of an Bonnie and Mary read, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: really a lot, a lot of requests. Most of the

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Speaker 1: pirates we have talked about on the show have been

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Speaker 1: captains of their own ships or, in the case of

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Speaker 1: Chungy Sou from the Sarah and Dublina Years, a whole

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Speaker 1: fleet of ships. As a side note, I listened to

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Speaker 1: the beginning of that podcast the other day. I have

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Speaker 1: listened to it before, but I was really listening to

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Speaker 1: the beginning the beginning of it, and Sarah and Bablina

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Speaker 1: also mentioned that they also got a lot of requests

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Speaker 1: for a Bonnie and Mary read, and so people have

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Speaker 1: been asking for that for quite a while. Uh. Bonnie

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Speaker 1: and Read though they were members of another pirate's crew,

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Speaker 1: and they were made famous by a book called A

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Speaker 1: General History of the Pirates from their first rise and

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Speaker 1: settlement of the island of Providence to the present time.

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Speaker 1: And that book is where most of the information on

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Speaker 1: their lives came from. So we're also going to talk

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Speaker 1: about that book itself in today's show. And so you're

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Speaker 1: probably going to notice when we're talking about the early

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Speaker 1: lives of these two women that we are being weirdly vague.

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Speaker 1: It is possible that at about two o'clock yesterday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: I am Holly and said, I understand why no one

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Speaker 1: did this yet, Uh, because it's weirdly fake. And we

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Speaker 1: are going to talk about I it is weirdly vague

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Speaker 1: in the third act of today's show when we talk

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Speaker 1: about this book that made and Bonnie and Mary Read

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Speaker 1: quite famous. So we'll start with Mary Reid, who was

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Speaker 1: most likely born in England, and although there's no historical

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Speaker 1: documentation to substantiate it, according to a General History of Pirates,

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Speaker 1: her mother married a sailor and had a son. That

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Speaker 1: sailor didn't return from a voyage and Mary Reid's mother,

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Speaker 1: still living with her in laws, later became pregnant and

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Speaker 1: enough time had passed that her departed husband could not

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Speaker 1: having a child out of wedlock, she went away to

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Speaker 1: the country. Before she was born, Mary's half brother died,

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Speaker 1: and then after her birth, Mary's mother stayed in the

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Speaker 1: Then she went back to London with the hope of

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Speaker 1: leaving the young Mary with her late husband's mother. Disguised

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Speaker 1: did offer them some money to help with expenses, which

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Speaker 1: meant that Mary had to continue to masquerade as her

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Speaker 1: grandmother died when Mary was about thirteen years old, and

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Speaker 1: her mother, who by this point had filled her in

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Speaker 1: according again to the general history of pirates, Reid resumed

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Speaker 1: According to general history of the Pirates. When Anne took

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Speaker 1: It's possible that in this behavior and the habit that

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Speaker 1: Bonnie and Mary Read were part of John Rackham a

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Speaker 1: k a. Calico Jack Rackham's crew. As for Rackham, he

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Speaker 1: had served as quartermaster under another pirate named Charles Vain

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Speaker 1: it was discovered that Anne Bonnie was again pregnant with

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Speaker 1: a party that stole a sloop called the William, which

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Speaker 1: so most of Rackham's crew were intoxicated when Barnett ordered

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Speaker 1: So A General History of the Pirates from their first

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Speaker 1: Uh do you want to explicitly read the listener mail there?

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Speaker 1: It's pre fun from David. Uh. David says theorist Tracy

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Speaker 1: and Holly, I must thank you first and foremost for

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Speaker 1: introducing me to how exciting and funny informative podcasts can be.

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Speaker 1: Prior to May, I had never so much as attempted

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Speaker 1: ly did white men. Yes, it's true, I'd never even

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Speaker 1: tremendously grateful I fell upon it. After today's podcast aired,

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Speaker 1: I scrambled to see what increasingly fantastical and unusual topic

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Speaker 1: name love a bond tentometer, and, instead of doing what

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Speaker 1: my heart's content. Apparently, the tintometer was originally meant for

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Speaker 1: beer and to help brewers to make a better, more

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Speaker 1: So I love beer. I love your podcast. That being said,

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Speaker 1: I asked in full earnest that you do a podcast

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Speaker 1: on the life of Joseph Joseph Love a Bond and

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Speaker 1: the Tintometer. Any man who has a beard like his

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Speaker 1: and a passion for beer like mine deserves a solid

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Speaker 1: thirty minute podcast from the audacious sirens of stuffy ms

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Speaker 1: in history, Stay well in podcast on Sincerely yours, David

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Speaker 1: uh Thank you so much, David uh So. I also

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Speaker 1: turned to it as like deciding what counted as yellow

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Speaker 1: butter and what didn't. Um I did not realize that

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Speaker 1: like corral my friend Eric, who is a brewer, into

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Speaker 1: you know you have our numbers. You could just ask

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Speaker 1: us anyway. Uh yeah, So thank you so much again

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Speaker 1: for that letter. If you would like to write to us,

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Speaker 1: were a history podcast that how Stuff Works dot com. Um.

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Speaker 1: We're also on Facebook at facebook dot com slash missed

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Speaker 1: also on Pinterest at pentriest dot com slash missed in History.

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Speaker 1: you can come to our parent company's website, which is

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Speaker 1: Pirates Work, which I wrote long ago during my time

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Speaker 1: as a House to Work staff writer. UH. You can

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Speaker 1: also come to our website, which is missing history dot com,

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Speaker 1: where you will find show notes about all the episodes

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Speaker 1: our live shows that we have coming up this summer

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