WEBVTT - Ep 129: GRIFF 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.520 I guess I never thought I would be like someone 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:05.040 who really was attached to the mainstream that much, which 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:06.880 is funny, which is why I think I found the 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:11.920 Brits quite an amazing but like an accelerated experience, because 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.000 I never thought I wrote pop songs for the charts. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:22.680 Go hit it. Evening, folks, welcome to another new episode 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.680 of Midnight Chats, our music interview podcast for late night listening. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.560 My name's Greg. I'm here with Stu. Stu, what is 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.920 the big news in your world? Well, I've been moving house, 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.760 so I've just mainly been a ball of stress. But 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.920 I think I've turned a corner now now that I've moved, 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:41.080 I'm feeling a lot better. 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.199 We've had a very busy time here on the podcast 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.279 as well. Thank you to everyone who listened to our 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:50.400 Brian Eno episode last week. I did very well, including 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.960 getting some shares on David Bowie's Instagram account, which was 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:54.880 nice to see. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:56.720 This week, I've recorded. 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.560 Two new episodes, one of which is going to be 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.360 next week's episode. We're going to turn that one around 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.680 quickly and we're going to hold onto the other one 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.240 for a bit later down the line. But let's talk 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.480 about tonight's episode, Greg, because you spoke to Griff, and 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.280 I'll be honest, before I listened to this, I didn't 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:16.800 know that much about Griff myself. I didn't know much 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:20.800 about her background or what she's been up to. And 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.319 in case there is anyone tuning in who is in 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.120 a similar boat to that, tell us a bit about 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.040 Griff herself, and also why you wanted to talk to her, 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:31.160 because you've wanted to speak. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.320 To her for a while. Well, I've wanted to speak 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:35.720 to Griff. I've been excited to meet Griff ever since 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:40.000 I saw her performance on the brit Awards, which was 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.480 back in twenty twenty one. She played her song black Hole, 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:48.360 which is a pop banger, and I was just flawed 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.080 because I don't remember a new artist ever delivering such 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:56.640 like an accomplished, impactful performance at the Brits. Basically, she 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.240 looked like she'd been doing this for like twenty years, 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.400 and I just from that was like, wow, like this 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.800 is somebody really really special. If you haven't seen that 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.560 BRIT's performance, it is on YouTube. Griff says that she 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.359 can't bear to watch it, but I've put a link 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.440 in the show notes. If you haven't seen it and 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:12.480 you can go and have a look at it, along 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.040 with some of the other things that we mentioned in 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:14.680 this conversation. 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.720 I do remember that performance and how amazing it was, 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.280 and for someone who is still so young as she 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.760 is now, when she was talking to you, it really 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.120 sounded like she's someone who just knows exactly what she 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:25.919 wants to do. 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.280 Oh definitely. I think she's twenty three now and she's 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.760 super grounded. They didn't seem to be sort of you know, 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.800 it wasn't anything kind of mechanical about her, if you 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.360 know what I meant. So she was just really really 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.320 open and just really really lovely to chat to. But 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:43.800 the big news is that she's just announced her debut 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.600 album and it's going to be coming out on the 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.480 nineteenth of July, and it's called Vertigo. And she's announced 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.200 a big tour later in the year, playing some massive venues. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.760 So that's exciting because like her show is immense as well, 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.239 so it's basically it's going to be a big year 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:00.080 for Griff. Here. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.639 It is then Greg talking with Griff on tonight's episode 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.880 of Midnight Chats. If you're new to us here, welcome. 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.880 If you've been here, before welcome back. Thank you for 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.440 listening to Midnight Chats. We love making this podcast. If 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.000 there's one thing you can really do to help us 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.280 and to help the show is simply tell a friend 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.880 force them to listen. That's the way that this podcast 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:22.120 is going to grow and we're going to get more 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.880 people listening to it. So if you are enjoying the episodes, 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.720 please do tell your friends who like music all about 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.040 it and join us on social media. We've sort of 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:34.160 ditch TikTok to be honest, but we are on Instagram 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.160 Midnight Chats Pod. There's lots of clips there. We're put 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.480 some bits of Griff, there's some stuff from the Emo 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:44.400 episode last week. Before that we had MGMT. We're trying 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.840 to ramp that up a bit and have a bit 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.680 of fun with it. So join us over there Midnight 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.800 Chats Pod. For now, though, here is Griff on Tonight's 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:55.360 episode of Midnight Chats. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.520 This will obviously exist in the world in a future time. 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.960 But today is release date. Well no, I shouldn't probably 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.480 say that, actually, but anyway, it's been a hectic day, 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:09.960 but it's good feeling. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.120 I think we can say it's release day. It's fine. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.880 Because people will understand that we've done this in the past. 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.320 We're speaking to our future selves. Yeah exactly, miss me too. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:20.960 You're going to be sharing it later on today. 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:21.400 Yeah exactly. 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:25.719 The release days feel exciting? Do they feel stressful? 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.520 Do they feel I'm getting better at them? 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.200 I don't love them. They're not fun. 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.279 There's no part of me that wakes up and goes, 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:38.960 oh yeah release day because they're stressful, and there's usually 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.479 lots to do and you're usually just pretty nervous about 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.239 how it's going to be received, and it's the moment 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.920 where as song has been sitting on your laptop forages 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:49.799 and then is out in the world. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.880 So yeah, fantastic, all and all. Happy to be here. 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.240 What a start of the year that you've had though, 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.400 twenty twenty four, Well, we're not far into it. You've 0:04:59.400 --> 0:04:59.920 packed it in. 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:01.200 It's been busy. Yeah. 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.919 Yeah. So you celebrated New Year pretty much on stage 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:06.720 in Australia, Is that right? 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:07.920 Well researched. 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.840 Yeah, I went to Australia twice in January, which is 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:11.800 just suicidal. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:13.560 Really my god, I know. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:15.640 So what out there back again? 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:16.200 Yeah? 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:17.560 Yeah yeah yeah. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:18.640 How is your jet lag? 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:19.280 Yeah? 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.560 Brutal I mean I did so. I did a festival 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:23.719 out there for New Years, which was fine. It's my 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.120 first time ever in Australia. Came back, finished a bunch 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.800 of music, then went back out to like Asia and 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.640 Australia and then America and then here I am back. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:33.400 To release some music. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.920 On the upside, you must have seen pretty much every 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.080 film that, like the airline has to offer, now, do 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:39.360 you know? 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.839 I try my best not too And I'm a sleeper. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.440 I can sleep anywhere on anything at any time of day, 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.279 so I actually don't by the time I wake up, 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.280 I haven't gotten around to like seeing the entertainment. 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.440 I'm so jealous of that. So you can you could 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.320 get on a pretty much and fall asleep. 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.160 Yeah yeah, Like if you gave me fifteen minutes right now, 0:05:58.160 --> 0:05:59.640 I would probably be out so. 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.719 Many artist to be listened to this going, Like, I'm 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.120 so jealous because like the touring thing is had brutal 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.800 and so like if you can catch a nap when 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:08.760 you're in the airport, and. 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.600 That's fine, yeah, it helps the jet. 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.120 Like like usually I can usually be anywhere if I 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:14.840 can just I can power up, if I can power 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:15.800 up forty five minutes. 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.720 I'm pretty good. Yeah, that's what my days look like. 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.440 Yeah. So seeing in the New Year on stage, have 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:27.000 you ever done anything? What's what would you have normally 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:27.479 been doing? 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.840 I probably would have been chilling with some girlfriends. I've 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.920 never done New Year's abroad, let alone in a hot place. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.800 That was kind of freaky, but it was really nice. 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.240 I was out there with Holly up Well, we happened 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:41.720 to both be on the same lineup, so I think 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.440 we just were like, let's buddy up. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:43.880 And be friends. 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.920 So yeah, we got wasted and pop champagne on the stage, 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.480 which was really fun. The footage is actually terrible though, 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.160 because you can tell we're not party girls and we're 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.880 absolutely amateurs. We were like, yeah, let's pop some champagne, 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.839 and then when you look back, we clearly forgot to 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.160 do the thumb over the thing, so we were essentially 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.800 just pouring the bottle on all these cables. 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:02.280 But it was nice. 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.240 It's fun, but that's something you could get used to that, 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.440 I mean, learning how to pop champagne, Like, yeah, I. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.240 Know, who would have thought I need to know that? 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:10.240 I know. 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:12.760 So after that, I mean, you, like you said you 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.720 were in the Far East, doing some shows, and then 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.480 you went to the States. 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:21.200 I did Grammys, popped in not I wasn't at the 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.160 actual Grammys. I went to an after party, which was 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.440 like fun those things again, never been to a Grammy 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:26.120 after party. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.240 Lots of famous people, was there? Yeah, that's fun. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.280 Any spots that you were like even outside of the 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.240 music world, anybody who were just like, oh, I'm in 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:34.720 the room with this person. 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.480 That room was it was mainly music people, but it 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:43.160 was just like, who was it. I'm trying to think, Uh, 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.720 it was like really famous. I mean Ed Sheeran came down, 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:50.400 He's pretty famous. Yes, I think was there. Barry Kergan, 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:54.360 the actor, thought he was there. The guy in Selburn, Yeah, 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:55.400 that was that was cool. 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.120 Like Doo was there. Yeah. Lots of famous people. It's 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:00.600 quite weird. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.600 Yeah, and some people that you actually know. 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:04.240 Yeah, yeah that's true. 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:08.160 Yeah, yeah, nice like quickly say hi and then the 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:09.800 music's so luge you can't even really talk. 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:10.200 But yeah. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.480 Yeah. So this year has been Is this going to 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:15.360 be kind of typical of how this year pans out? 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:19.040 Because you've you're like heading overseas to play like some 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.160 big shows. You're no doubt kind of trying to continue 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.960 to write music, you're sharing music, all this stuff going on. 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.400 Is that the kind of you're switching modes a lot, right? 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:28.760 Is that? 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:28.920 How? 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:30.040 Yeah? It does. 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.760 It's weird now, I think being an artist because I 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:35.760 don't know. To me when I went into this, I 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:41.000 always understood an artist's job in cycles. So you tour 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.280 and then you write, and then you promo, and those 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.280 those cycles last for good lengths of time, whereas now 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:48.600 it feels like you kind of have to do all 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.720 of it at the same time and there's no mercy. 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:54.320 So yeah, it's like one day you've got your tour 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.040 hair on, next day you've got your promo hair on 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.679 and your social's hat on, and then next day you're 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:00.480 trying to write. So yeah, it's all happening at the 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.400 same time. But I'm excited. It's been a while since 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.599 I've released music, so it's nice to be back in 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:05.120 the flow of it. 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.160 Definitely. Yeah, And we're going to talk about some of 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.480 that music that you're you've shared recently. As we speak, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.640 it's it's Brits Week in the UK. Are you going 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.360 this year? I am. I'm going to pop in, Yeah, 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.000 pop in. I love what you say, popping. It's like 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.479 as if we're going to sort of testa. 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.280 Yeah, we're just going to Tesco, pop in and see 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.240 what the new kid, new kids on the block, you. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:23.200 Know, pick up some bits. 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.680 Yeah, just wave to a few friends, take a photo, 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:27.600 and then pop out. 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.280 Yeah. Yeah, as I was kind of looking forward to 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.439 chating you to you today, I was had went back 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.240 and watched your BRIT's performance from twenty twenty World and 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.640 oh god, does it make you feel of it? 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.800 Like, yeah, that feels me the same nerves that I 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.240 had at the time. I've never watched it since, have 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.120 you not? Yeah? I think I watched it back once 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:47.600 after my performance and then that was it. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:49.720 Can I Well, I want to tell you a story 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.480 about what I was watching it that night because I 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.800 felt I must be honest, I don't always watch the Brits, 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:56.640 but I was watching that night. 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.120 That seems like a choice since you're a music person, 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:01.640 Is it because you don't go around to it because 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.960 you like, I'm anti awards, I'm anti establishment? 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.240 No, oh, I'm a bit anti establishment. I'd like to 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.959 think of as that was establishing. No, just like I 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.959 think sometimes sometimes I'm kind of like, yeah, I want 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:16.600 to catch it. In other times I'll want to churning 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:20.520 out of it. And I just remember, I mean, first off, 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.160 that was a weird year because it was like I 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.040 was really I think we were all feeling like super 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.760 hungry for music and missing it because it was twenty 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:32.560 twenty one, so we were like emerging from lockdowns and 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.679 like COVID pandemic. So it had its own sort of 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.640 surreal spin for those reasons. Yeah, but I just remember, 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.800 I remember your performance. I was sat, I was sat 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.360 on the sofa with my wife and you came on 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:47.000 and I was like, my god, like you are it 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:51.520 was so assured, and it was just so like it 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:54.160 was amazing, like composed, and I was just considering that, like, 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.760 you know, what a platform, what I like, surreal moment 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.640 that must have been to find yourself in and like 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.559 probably undoubtedly super nerve wracking. Yeah, it was as if 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.560 you'd played the Brits like twenty years in a row. 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:07.840 Oh that's really kind Yeah, so what. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.400 So but you suggested that probably what was actually good, 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.560 what was actually that. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.880 Time is Oh, it was just so a lot because 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.240 it's again I think it, like you said, it felt 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.160 really extreme because of COVID. So I've sat in my 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.480 bedroom for two years and then suddenly everyone was like, right, 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.480 go on, like and We've all grown up watching the 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.359 Brits and I've seen the most iconic performances. 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.480 So I was just like really nervous. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.240 And then you're also performing for like a room full 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.960 of everyone you look up to, and you know that 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.959 there's however many people watching online and you know it's 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.280 going to exist online forever. It was just it's like 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.200 the worst recipe for social anxiety. I remember waking up 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.920 the next day just like feeling so sick and looking 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.120 like dreading looking at my phone, but also like torturing 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.000 myself by like trying to look at all the feedback 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.400 on it. But no, I am proud of it and 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.760 I am happy with it, but yeah, I can't watch 0:11:58.800 --> 0:11:59.160 it back. 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.000 Yeah yeah you should be. I was like, holy shit, 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.959 that is incredible, Like what a performance, because I think, yeah, 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.760 the Brits produces like those iconic moments, and sometimes they 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.200 come from Adele and one spotlight and a piano, and 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.439 other times they come from an artist that's like going 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.520 to have been like new to a lot of people. 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.240 And that's that is one thing that I do appreciate 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.520 about the Brits, but I think that was a particularly 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.800 weird year because it was it was like not even 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.040 half full, right, because it was social distancing and so 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.079 like all the artists were there sat like little. 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:34.080 Yeah, it was really strange. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.000 We were all really far away from a table not 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.360 too much, probably the same size as this. 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:41.240 But I guess it's my only real experience of the Brits. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.679 It will be interesting to go this year where we're 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.480 properly free again, because I don't I haven't experienced the 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.079 Brits and that kind of hey there you feeling where 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.280 everyone's just getting drunk on the floor with Jack Whitehall 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:52.520 just taking the make out of everyone, you. 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:52.880 Know what I mean. 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.839 I'm excited to experience that kind of Brits because it's 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:57.719 it's been pretty covidly since so. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:02.079 Yeah it has. And that that night was that when 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:03.800 you first got to meet Taylor Swift. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.280 Yeah it was. That was just like the cherry on 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:08.480 the cake at the end of the night. 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.880 After I've done all the like again, first real red 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.480 carpet experience, first real like press experience, did the big performance, 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.360 got the award, sat down, Taylor go gets her award. 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:20.600 She kind of like said my name in the mic, 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.600 just to say hi. That was scary enough. And then 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.440 the night had ended and we were walking back to 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.320 our dressing room and then my manager kind of took 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.839 me on a detour and he was like, time to 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:35.520 meet Taylor, and I was like, oh my god, and 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.120 so yeah, yeah, I went into her dressing room, said hi, 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.040 you chated for a bit, and she was really lovely. 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:41.400 Yeah, she was eating some chips. 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:42.160 She was eating chips. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:43.960 Offered me a chip, did she Yeah? 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.839 It was lovely because people don't eat at those events, 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:48.959 so I was relieved to see a whole rider full 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:49.560 of chips. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:54.480 It's great, yeah, amazing, and like yeah, I mean it's 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.280 it's not just like big artists co signs and another 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.640 emerging artist. You know, that's a night nice to have 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.760 or a nice feeding because Taylor, since like your real 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.520 kind of formative years of discovering music, has been like 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:11.319 an important artist to you and something a big influence, 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:15.520 like her songwriting and everything else. So regardless of whether 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.320 it's Taylor Swift or if Taylor Swift didn't have billions 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.560 of fans, if it was just like your songwriting idol, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.239 that would have been like an important moment. 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.160 Right, definitely. Yeah. 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.040 Yeah, there are two layers to it where it's like, 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.440 first you're being like recognized by someone who's completely at 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.520 the peak of their game, but also yeah, being recognized 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:39.600 by someone who I just really who raised my creative journey, 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.800 I guess, And I think she's obviously renowned for raising 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.240 a new generation of songwriters. But yeah, I was definitely 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:50.520 there at eight years old listening to Fearless, So yeah, 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:51.440 she's pretty amazing. 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:55.600 Yeah, she's doing about a billion gigs at Wembley Stadium. 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.600 This insane. It's like, how do you even get that big? 0:14:58.640 --> 0:14:59.360 It's wild? 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.160 Yeah, yeah, have you got ticket? 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.960 Do you know what? Confession? I don't, No, I know, 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.440 I just I don't know the whole Like. 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.320 I never was never raised going to gigs, so I 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.040 don't really have the gig culture in me. 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:17.160 And then I didn't This whole swifty cult is a 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.080 new thing. I thought. I didn't realize. 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.560 I don't know, this is like a new thing, isn't 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.120 it kind of the level of cult that swifties are. 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.200 I was just on my way to school listening to 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.160 Taylor Swift, obsessed with it. But I didn't realize there 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.560 was like so much commitment with it. So and also 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.080 I don't know. In my head, I just will be there. 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.200 I don't know. I'm just putting that out there. I'll 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:39.760 find my way there, but I don't know. 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:41.960 I'm not organized enough to do all the cues and 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.040 the pre orders and the pre sales and fight people 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:44.280 for it. 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.640 I don't know. I'll just say a prayer and hopefully 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:47.160 I'll make it. 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.520 You're just going to have to I'm just gonna have 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.160 to be one of the supporting artists. 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:55.120 Well, Taylor, if you're listening, I need I need to 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.080 see the show. So if you don't mind, just maybe 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.320 instead of just a ticket maybe, Yeah, And anyway, I'll 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:01.560 be there. 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:02.080 Yeah, I want to. 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.800 I want to talk about kind of background and your upbringing. 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:11.360 You're from King's Langley, King's Langley, which is a sleepy village. Well, 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.320 I grew up in Welling Garden City Fellow. 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:19.560 Half Yeah, exactly in the suburbs, Northwest Suburbs. 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.800 Exactly, not too far away for people that don't know. 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:26.280 For everyone that does, nobody knows exactly. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.400 Kings Lanley kind of like punches in terms of like 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:31.960 Anthony Joshuas from kings Lanley. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.240 Yeah, we've got one or two claim to fames, Anthony Joshua. 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.000 I can't remember if there's any others. 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.840 And I guess we've got the Watford football team, which 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:41.680 Alton John has made famous. 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.760 We've got Harry Potter studios. 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:49.680 In Watford been no, No, I've never been in. And 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:51.880 also are they claimed to famous that? 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:52.960 I think? 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.800 I think tale has it that the Game of Thrones 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.880 writer or something was on the train past kings Langley 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.920 and that's why it's somewhere in Game of Thrones is. 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:02.920 Called kings Landing. 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:04.280 Oh okay, I could. 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.160 Be chatting absolute shit, but I think that's the rumor. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:10.000 Yeah, King's Landley's doing all right. And then yeah, and 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:11.879 so yeah, you are like one of you one of 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.280 the most famous people to ever come out of Kingsland. 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:15.520 I mean I think that's I think the population is 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:17.800 about five thousand people, so I don't know how impressive 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:19.840 that is, but yeah, yeah, I'll take it. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:25.439 For everyone else. Probably most people listening to this just 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.320