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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. You know what

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Speaker 1: time it is, Mitchell, it's the Super Bowl. Well, I

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Speaker 1: guess the week before the Super Bowl. And it's still

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Speaker 1: a lot of action going on. We know what the teams,

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Speaker 1: we know what they got going on. No billboard, no

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Speaker 1: bulletin board material yet. But there's some coaching hires and

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Speaker 1: some fires and some people getting picked up that you

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Speaker 1: wasn't expected. Schwartz's pissed, Mitchell. What's you thinking, Richard. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of action.

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Speaker 2: Even though this is technically a bye week, the week

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Speaker 2: before Super Bowl week, there's still a lot of action

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Speaker 2: going on in the NFL. One of the big things

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Speaker 2: right around Super Bowl time is the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: and Richard, we got caught with an absolute right hook

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Speaker 2: of news this week. How in the world is a

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Speaker 2: guy like Bill Belichick not a first ballot Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: I'll start there, Mitchell. You want to know how you

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Speaker 1: you want to know how you use lose credibility in

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Speaker 1: an established organization, team or anything. You watch a slam

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Speaker 1: dunk candidate a no brain or answer and it go unanswered.

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Speaker 1: If you don't want to listen to me, just listen

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Speaker 1: to what Tom Brady said. He said he doesn't understand

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Speaker 1: if he's not a first ballot Hall of Famer, then

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Speaker 1: really there's no coach that should ever be a first

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Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Famer. And that's true. Now, I have

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Speaker 1: a lot of respect for the Hall of Fame and

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Speaker 1: the hard job that all the voters have and all

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Speaker 1: of that, but this wasn't a hard job. This wasn't

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Speaker 1: a hard job at all. This is Hey. Whether you

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Speaker 1: think he's the greatest coach all the time or not,

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Speaker 1: whatever you can, you can argue that with somebody else.

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Speaker 1: One of the greatest coaches to ever play coach the

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Speaker 1: game a lot of Super Bowls. I think he got

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Speaker 1: eight between playing, between coordinating and head coaching. Between the

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Speaker 1: Giants and the New England Patriots earned first ballot Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame earned, not speculative, not hey, I think he

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Speaker 1: should one hundred percent sure, first ballot Hall of Famer. Now,

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Speaker 1: when you don't do it, and then there's conjecture and

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Speaker 1: conversation about what Bill Pollian said or may have not said,

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Speaker 1: because there's you know, we don't know what's happening behind

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Speaker 1: closed doors. There's rumors both ways he said something, and

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Speaker 1: then they're saying he didn't say anything, and he voted

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Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick. So I don't know. I think this

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Speaker 1: is what happens when you don't have a transparent process.

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Speaker 1: And you don't have a transparent process, there's no accountability.

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Speaker 1: If you had accountability in this process, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a slam duck and nobody's talking

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Speaker 1: it makes it really tough. It makes it really tough

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Speaker 1: the bottom of who voted for him and who didn't

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Speaker 1: vote for him. If it's true. Now we may get

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Speaker 1: to next week and Bill Belichick be a Hall of

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Speaker 1: somebody got misinformation and all this, and I'm hoping that's

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you you can trust this process

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Speaker 1: going forward. If somebody with his resume as a coach

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Speaker 1: many people probably you know, took enhancements in these sports.

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Speaker 1: Those enhancements don't help you hit that little ball. I

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Speaker 1: guarantee you there's no enhancement that can increase your speeture,

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Speaker 1: the guy was an incredible ball player. This is an

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Speaker 1: just don't like that, Mitchell. I don't like it. I

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Speaker 1: don't like human emotion getting between fact. Like Bill Belichick's

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Speaker 1: the first ballot Hall of Famer, that's a fact. If

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Speaker 1: because it's clearly broken. It's clearly broken. If that's not

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Speaker 2: Take it a step further. Richard, I think it's a

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Speaker 2: complete and utter joke. I think it discredits the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame. This guy, Bill Belichick. He is the Michael

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Speaker 2: Jordan of coaches. I mean, whether you think he's the

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Speaker 2: greatest of all time or not, he's certainly in that discussion.

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Speaker 2: And if any person coach player, executive, et cetera. Is

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Speaker 2: Deserve to be first ballot, and that's what Bill Belichick is.

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Speaker 2: You gotta wonder, you know, off his riff with the

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Speaker 2: media of how he handled his press conferences with the media,

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Speaker 2: had anything to do with this. You gotta wonder if

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Speaker 2: these voters kept him off the first ballot out of spite.

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously he's coaching at UNC now. You know,

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Speaker 2: he didn't retire and sale off into the sunset. He

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Speaker 2: chose to go go keep coaching and chase a new challenge. Richard,

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Speaker 2: this is a complete another joke.

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Speaker 1: But even if that's the case, even if you say, hey,

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Speaker 1: If there was like a fringe, if he's a fringe

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, If he's a fringe Hall of Fame coaching,

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Speaker 1: you say he doesn't deserve the first ballot, hits a fringe.

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Speaker 1: This man got eight Super Bowls to his name. That's

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Speaker 1: not a friend. That's not a debatable point. This is

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Speaker 1: not a debatable topic. It's so it's personal opinion or

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Speaker 1: it's that's not a debatable thing. It's it's it's one

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Speaker 1: it should not be up for debate. It should not

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Speaker 1: be up for for somebody's emotional emotions to change an outcome.

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Speaker 1: If the media hated Bill Belichick does not change the

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Speaker 1: fact he's a Hall of Fame coach. Now did they

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Speaker 1: do that? To to uh to one hundred percent? To

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Speaker 1: was probably supposed to be a first battle of Hall

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Speaker 1: punished them, said nope, we're not gonna do it. Cool.

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Speaker 1: I guess you know what I mean. You gotta be

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Speaker 1: good to the media, you gotta be nice to people,

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Speaker 1: you gotta have those conversations. But this guy just doesn't

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame came out and made a statement, but

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Speaker 1: those people can't like that can't be the reason he's

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Speaker 1: that's that's beyond debate, indisputable fact that you say, hey,

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Speaker 1: strong argument that hey, and I don't I know the

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Speaker 1: deflate gate and the spygate and all that that that

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Speaker 1: even if you said, hey, we'll take way those two

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Speaker 1: Like I just don't. That's where it's like, I hear

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Speaker 1: So it's frustrating. Obviously, Tom hears it. The Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame reached out, they didn't really say much. But that's

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Speaker 1: Hopefully they do the right thing and and and make

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Speaker 2: On, that would be a pretty wild pr move on

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Speaker 2: their part. But you know what, Richard, at bottom line,

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Speaker 2: like you said, I would love to know who voted no,

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Speaker 2: this one is just making no sense whatsoever. Richard, we

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Speaker 2: got some news on the coaching circuit. Let's start in Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: Todd Monkin, the old old c at Baltimore, takes the job.

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Speaker 2: And I know, you know, he has certainly been a

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Speaker 2: get the job.

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Speaker 1: Richard.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with Jim Schwartz not receiving the job, and

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Speaker 2: Your initial thoughts when you heard Jim Schwartz was not

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Speaker 1: Insane. With the amount of people that took their name

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Speaker 1: to lose the way his players speak about him, like

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Speaker 1: those are things you can't measure the respect and regard

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Speaker 1: I think they took him for granted, and I think

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Speaker 1: we got with you, but we want to go out

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Speaker 1: the Giants if you hire Swarts, like, can you can

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Speaker 1: easily hired an offensive coordinator to do this? Like if

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Speaker 1: you're saying this, it's almost like a damning statement against

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a guy like some coaches just look the part,

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Speaker 1: a year, you know what I mean? You got, you got,

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Speaker 1: you got sixty seventy Pro bowlers, and you're like, it

428
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Speaker 1: wasn't that many Pro Bowl players in the National Football League.

429
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Speaker 1: It's it's it's it becomes participation exactly.

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Speaker 2: And to that point, I mean, I feel like your

431
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Speaker 2: line of thinking is the way it should be.

432
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Speaker 1: It's so obvious.

433
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Speaker 2: You name a Pro Bowl team, you give those accolades

434
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Speaker 2: to the players, much like they do with the All

435
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Speaker 2: Pro team, and if they don't show up, so be it.

436
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: That's their decision. That being said, do you ever think,

437
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Speaker 2: just for the sake of keeping the Pro Bowl accolade

438
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Speaker 2: at a high, high regard, do you ever think they're

439
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Speaker 2: just gonna scrap the Pro Bowl? Do you ever think

440
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: they would just go to that line of thinking, these

441
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Speaker 2: are our Pro Bowlers and that's it.

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Speaker 1: No, because because it'd be the only major sport without

443
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Speaker 1: an all Star game, and I think that matters to people,

444
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Speaker 1: you know, I pick. I think the the optic of

445
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: seeing you know, the best players in the National Football

446
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: League on a field together, competing against each other, is

447
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: an optic the NFL wants to keep going. Now, it's

448
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Speaker 1: not necessarily football, but with with the the increased value

449
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Speaker 1: of flag football because of the Olympics and all that.

450
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Speaker 1: Then it's it's still something people will will will tune

451
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Speaker 1: into and be entertained to see their favorite players to

452
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: play one more football game and see them in a

453
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Speaker 1: different element, having fun and doing things. And so I

454
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Speaker 1: don't think they'll ever do that because it takes away

455
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Speaker 1: a fan experience and in a way for fans to

456
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Speaker 1: continue to interact with players in an environment that's different

457
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Speaker 1: than what you would expect. And I think the league

458
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Speaker 1: values that and players value that, and they and players

459
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Speaker 1: value being being treated like a pro bowler. You know,

460
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Speaker 1: there's certain activities during the week, there's certain things you

461
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Speaker 1: get to do when you get to take your family

462
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Speaker 1: and your kids, and so I don't think they'll do

463
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Speaker 1: away with because then it's just an emptiness, you know.

464
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: It almost gives the league a bit of a black

465
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Speaker 1: eye when talking about these these games, because I imagine

466
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Speaker 1: an NBA without the All Star Game. You'd be like, wait,

467
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: where's the All Star Game? Like, sure, these guys don't

468
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Speaker 1: play and you're changing it up and doing all these

469
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: cool things, but if they just took the game away,

470
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: you'd be like, I don't know if that's the right,

471
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: call fair enough.

472
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Speaker 2: We'll see how it all pans out. I mean, they

473
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Speaker 2: are trying to keep it fun. They are trying to

474
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Speaker 2: keep it cool. I think one idea, Richard, throw an

475
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: average Joe out there for flag football. Let's you know,

476
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 2: all these guys that think they can play in the NFL,

477
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 2: Let's see how they can really fare and flag football.

478
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Speaker 2: That's an idea for you. If you want to bring

479
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Speaker 2: some pros v Joe's, let's talk about some more coaching hires.

480
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: This was an active week. We saw Joe Brady go

481
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Speaker 2: to the Bills, you know, get promoted, Steelers signing Mike

482
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Speaker 2: McCarthy a bit of a head scratcher. Surprise, Jesse Mentor

483
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: goes to the Ravens, and then finally the big splash,

484
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Speaker 2: John Harbaugh goes to the Giants. Which one of these

485
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Speaker 2: stood out the most to you?

486
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Speaker 1: I think Mike McCarthy. I mean, it's great for him.

487
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: He grew up as a fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

488
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Speaker 1: I think this was the greatest chance that they bring

489
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Speaker 1: back Aaron Rodgers, as if they hired Mike McCarthy, and

490
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Speaker 1: not that Aaron Rodgers is going to be playing for

491
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Speaker 1: much longer. I don't think he but I think he

492
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Speaker 1: plays for another year because of Mike McCarthy and a

493
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Speaker 1: familiarity there. Obviously, Pittsburgh is gonna have to draft a

494
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Speaker 1: quarterback this year because I don't know how much gas

495
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: he has left in the tank. But I think the

496
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Speaker 1: relationship there helps. He's an established coach that has won

497
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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. He has an over sixty percent winning

498
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Speaker 1: percentage in the National Football League. So it's it's not

499
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Speaker 1: it's not a terrible hire. It's just different than what

500
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Speaker 1: you would expect it For the Pittsburgh Steelers. I thought

501
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Speaker 1: they would go a defensive guy, you know. I thought

502
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: Flores or Or or Anthony Weaver seemed like guys that

503
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Speaker 1: they would go with. Even Mentor, I thought he would

504
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: he would be a guy Chris Shula with with the

505
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: with the Rams, I thought he would be an option

506
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: for him. So, but Mike McCarthy's a fine higher. I

507
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: think it's safe. I think it's similar to what the

508
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Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons and Matt Ryan did. You know, they went

509
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Speaker 1: with a safe, established coach that you're not going to

510
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: get a lot of flak for it. It's just not

511
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: going to cause a lot of excitement to the fan base.

512
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: But it's also you're not gonna sit there and be

513
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Speaker 1: like he struck out, you know, hiring a coach that

514
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: has won a lot of games in the National Football League,

515
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: just like the Atlanta Falcons. Hey, a two time coach

516
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: of the Year. You're not going to feel like you

517
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: totally struck out. Hiring a two time coach of the year.

518
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: Clearly he can do it at a high level if

519
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: if his team is talented enough, and you you give

520
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: him a good enough roster and and some structure, he

521
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: can get the job done. So Giants hiring John Harball,

522
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Speaker 1: I think they felt he was the best coach in

523
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Speaker 1: the hiring cycle. A lot of teams would have felt

524
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Speaker 1: that way. They went all in on on him really

525
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: early and and and went full court press. Uh, and

526
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Speaker 1: they got their guy, Joe Brady. Seems seems odd because

527
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty sure we saw some Buffalo Bills fans

528
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying it was a large contendent, but

529
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: it was a loud contingent calling for his job throughout

530
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Speaker 1: the season at times. So so to go from calling

531
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Speaker 1: for his job to him being the head coach, you know,

532
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: if things don't go well, early you could see that,

533
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, kind of unraveling pretty quickly. But he's had

534
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: success just about everywhere. He's gone a great relationship and

535
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: rapport with with Josh Allen, which helps, uh the continuity there.

536
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: But again, you feel like it's a safe pick and

537
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: that's what they wanted to go with. That whole process

538
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: was kind of strange to me, and we spoke about

539
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: it earlier, but I mean a few episodes ago. But

540
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Speaker 1: Brandon Bean, you know that that that conversation and that

541
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Speaker 1: the the way they talked about the conversation between Brandon

542
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: Bean and McDermott and and Pegoula and the ownership group

543
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: and how he basically said, you guys didn't give me

544
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: enough to win a super Bowl to be a Super

545
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: Bowl roster And instead of saying, okay, that's true, we

546
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: were a little banged up and and the GM Bean

547
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: could have done a little better of a job, they said, no,

548
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: we're firing you because he's done a tremendous job and

549
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: you haven't. And I just don't know if that's the

550
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: right answer, Like I feel like it's it's about even

551
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: there's some things McDermott did well with a limited roster

552
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: there's some things, some players that Brandon Bean drafted and

553
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: brought in that that helped elevate this team to where

554
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: they are. But I don't feel like you you should have.

555
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: There's a world where you fire McDermott and you don't

556
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: fire being, but they did, and and then you hire

557
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: from within. So it's almost like a double you're you're

558
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: you're double punishing McDermott. You're it's it's an indictment against

559
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: McDermott because you're saying, hey, we got everything else we needed,

560
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: it was you. You're the issue. You're you're not a

561
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: good leader. That's why our team struggled. And I'm not

562
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: sure that's that's entirely the truth. I'm not sure that's

563
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people would agree with that statement. And

564
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: we'll see I agree with you.

565
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Speaker 2: I mean, you look at the Buffalo Bill's roster and

566
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: there are so many voids in that lineup, and we

567
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: talked about it all year long. They're receiving corps. I mean,

568
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: you got one of the best, one of the top

569
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: three quarterbacks in the NFL, and you surround him with

570
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: minimal weapons. That falls on Bean and then to double

571
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Speaker 2: down at it from Pegoula's standpoint. I know we talked

572
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Speaker 2: about a last episode, but I just can't get enough

573
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Speaker 2: of he goes and publicly, you know, criticizes Keon Coleman

574
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Speaker 2: and then basically says that Bean was pressured into drafting

575
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Speaker 2: him by the coaching staff. You know, like, what is this?

576
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: It makes no sense to me.

577
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Speaker 1: I'm with you.

578
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: Back to Mike McCarthy, I think the Steelers are strategic

579
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Speaker 2: in this higher and we've talked about bridge quarterbacks. I

580
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: think Mike McCarthy's the perfect bridge coach. I imagine they're

581
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Speaker 2: going to bring in somebody that they feel will be

582
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: their apparent to Mike McCarthy, that he can kind of

583
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: groom and bring along at OC or DC. But and

584
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Speaker 2: like you said, his familiar familiarity with Aaron Rodgers makes

585
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: a lot of sense. And then Jesse Mentor with the

586
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: Ravens and up and coming rising you know, young defensive mind.

587
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: I mean, much like Mike McDonald, you can kind of

588
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: make sense as to why they made that decision. Now,

589
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: there are two big jobs that are left open right now,

590
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: one being in Arizona, the other in Vegas. They have

591
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: not been filled. I know they're going through the interviewing process.

592
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: But why do you think those positions haven't been filled.

593
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: Is it a lack of desire to go there as

594
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: a coach or do you think they're just still mulling

595
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: through their options at this point beyond I would go

596
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: to thank I go to Arizona. Hell yeah, man, I

597
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: mean just vacationing.

598
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah see yeah, No, Mitchell,

599
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that's not an attract jobs one Arizona Cardinals.

600
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: I think they have talent. I think you have quarterback uncertainty.

601
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: That's scary for any young coach that's trying to break

602
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: into this industry. Maybe you'll get a coach that's desperate

603
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: to get a job, you know, looking for a big

604
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: pay day because you're gonna have to pay them, and

605
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: then cool, you'll take that job. But going into the

606
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: NFC West, that's a gauntlet and it's not going anywhere.

607
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: You know, you got to go against Kyle Shanahan, McVeigh

608
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: and McDonald over and over and over, and that's just

609
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: for a chance at the playoffs. I don't think that's

610
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: the job I'm signing up for. And then if you

611
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: look at the Las Vegas Raiders, so the Chiefs aren't

612
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: gonna be down forever. They're not gonna be down forever.

613
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: They're not, and then you would expect them to come back.

614
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: You got to go against Mahomes. Then you got Herbert

615
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: who you got to deal with. And then the Denver

616
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: Broncos were just in the AFC Championship and if they didn't,

617
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: if their quarterback doesn't get hurt, they're likely to go

618
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: into the Super Bowl. So you really want to sign

619
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Speaker 1: up for that again, quarterback uncertainty. You got number one

620
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: pick in the draft. But is Mendoza the answer is he?

621
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: Is he a guy guy? Or is he a guy

622
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: that you need to surround with a really good team. Now,

623
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Speaker 1: if you talked about the Minnesota Vikings drafting Mendoza, I'd say, Oh,

624
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a that's gonna work out pretty well

625
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: for that kid. He's got a you know, talented defense,

626
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: you got two talented pass catchers, you got a coach

627
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: who can scheme it up and you can get the

628
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: ball where it's supposed to get. Now, you put him

629
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Speaker 1: on a team without that, without a lot of offensive weapons.

630
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: You got a tight end, you may have a running back,

631
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: you got a highly drafted running back house, the offensive line,

632
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: I don't know the defense cupboards, mayor. And so when

633
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: you talk about from that perspective, what coach can go

634
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: on their young coach where you're getting your first opportunity.

635
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: And again, they fired each of the last couple head

636
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: coaches in their first year like it's just been fire fire,

637
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: fire sale, And again that's that's a scary predicament. Do

638
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: you really want to put your family in that position where, hey,

639
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: things aren't going to go well and this isn't a

640
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: great setup to begin with, and if you don't do

641
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Speaker 1: well in your first year, you're going to be fired again.

642
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: This is These are the things that come when you

643
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: continue to fire ahead coaches and don't give them a

644
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 1: chance to make up for their mistakes. People will wonder

645
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 1: why Aaron Glenn got another opportunity because it just looks

646
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: so dysfunctional to keep firing coaches after the first year,

647
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: Like it looks bad. It means you made an awful

648
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: decision the first time and you're trying to get out

649
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: of it. But when you keep making off decisions, then

650
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: they stop thinking it's the coaches and start thinking it's you.

651
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: So that's a job somebody will take because you have to,

652
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: but it's not anybody's first choice.

653
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about the Detroit

654
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 2: Lions hire at OC. They hired Drew Petsing Arizona Cardinals

655
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: for more offensive coordinator, and it was met with a

656
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: lot of question marks by the fan base, a lot

657
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: of criticism going down Campbell's way. Fans, you know, wanted

658
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel and rightfully so. I mean, it's got that

659
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: cool factor. Hey, Mike McDaniels is his offensive genius and mastermind.

660
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: But I'm on Ross Saint Brown stood up for his coach,

661
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell, and but he also offended some fans in

662
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: doing so. On his podcast, he said, fans need to

663
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: relax and let this thing play out. Most of you, guys,

664
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: referring to the fans, don't know really much about anything

665
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: about football. Richard first and foremost, your thoughts on this

666
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: whole hire Drew Pettsing. I know you're not entirely familiar

667
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: with him individually, but just looking at the Arizona Cardinal's offense,

668
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 2: there were some bright spots over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: And also I'm on Ros's comments, well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can understand where both sides are coming from.

671
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: You know, you when you were paying attention to the

672
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: National Football League and you're hearing about all these big

673
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: names quote unquote big name offensive court and coming out,

674
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: you're really excited. You're like, man, give us one of those,

675
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: get us, get us. It's like a name brand shoe.

676
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: It's like a man, get us the Nike, you know,

677
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: new Nike whatever it is, And it's like, I don't.

678
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: I don't want the off brand whatever shoe that looks

679
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: like the Nike and probably it's just as good, but

680
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't. I haven't heard of that. It's

681
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: not been advertising the big magazines, but it's probably just

682
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: as good and probably made by the same people. It

683
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: just doesn't have the Nike logo on it. And I

684
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: think if you go back four years, maybe five years,

685
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: I guess six years maybe did you know who Mike

686
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: McDaniel was? Did you really know? Like did you did you?

687
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: Did you know he was the one game coordinator of

688
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: the San Francisco before nine is how often did you

689
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: hear his name? Like you know who he is now?

690
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: But when he got hired by the Miami Dolphins, where

691
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: you're like, who not like like, don't don't use now,

692
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: don't use now, and and try to try to relitigate it.

693
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: But go back, just try to do that exercise with me,

694
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: and go back in your brain and think when he

695
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: got hired, did you really know who he was? And

696
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: how often does that happen. There are some incredibly talented

697
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: offensive and defensive minds in this game, and not all

698
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: of them get a ton of press. Not all of

699
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: them are on the biggest teams, are on the biggest

700
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: stage or even at the forefront for you to hear

701
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: about them until they get hired. But I don't think

702
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: these teams are making knee jerk decisions. I think these

703
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: guys are doing their due diligence, and a team like

704
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions that has been incredibly proficient offensively and

705
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: has a quarterback that can get the job done at

706
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: a high level, I don't think they're making a knee

707
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: jerk reaction. I think when they brought McDaniel in, they

708
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: had conversations with him, they learned what they needed to learn,

709
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: and they said, hey, I love it, but maybe it

710
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: doesn't work for what we're trying to do. Some schemes

711
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: don't work with certain personnel, not that the running backs,

712
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: but maybe it doesn't work with the offensive line have

713
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: maybe running running you know, the scheme that they have

714
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: that he has that he would be successful with. Now

715
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: mind you, Jared Goff, I think can play in that scheme.

716
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: He can play in that offense because he has but

717
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't work. Maybe the personalities don't work, and

718
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: they have to work with each other all they have

719
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: to depend on each other. And so you have to

720
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: understand that. What I think Amen Raz speaking to is that,

721
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: like you don't know every coordinator and every scheme and

722
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 1: every guy, and just because it's not the big guy,

723
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: big name guy that you want, doesn't mean he's not

724
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: going to be able to do the job. Like if

725
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: we're looking in the Super Bowl right now, you got

726
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: you got Clint Kubiak, who was work Was anybody really

727
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: high on him before he got to Seattle this year?

728
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: Like you know the Kubiak name, you know, because of

729
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: his father and what he did, But were there many

730
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: people clamoring to get him as their offensive coordinator? I'm

731
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: not sure. I I he got hot. Now he's now

732
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: because his team is successful, his scheme is successful. He's

733
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: doing a fantastic job in the Seattle. But again, I

734
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: think people get so enamored with the press and the

735
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: headline names that you see that you forget like there

736
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: are guys out there grinding, And a lot of these

737
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: guys came from grind. The Matt Lafleurs to Mike Laflores,

738
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: the Kyle Shanahans, the mcveig's, they were quality control, worked

739
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: themselves up, work their way to get to where they are,

740
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: and you didn't You didn't know them until you knew them.

741
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: And so just I caution you to before going out

742
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: and being like, man, this guy sucks. Who is this guy?

743
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: Because sometimes those are the guys that blossom, And then

744
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: you're sitting there like, man, did you know who Dave

745
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: Canalis was? Please tell me you knew who Dave Canalis was?

746
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: Because Dave Canalis is the head coach for the Carolina Panthers.

747
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: And I knew him when he was the receivers coach

748
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: for the Seattle Seahawks, before he was the quarterbacks coach

749
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: for the Seattle Seahawks, but you didn't. Now he's a

750
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: head coach and now he's doing a pretty good job.

751
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: So just again I caution because not every guy whose

752
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: name you didn't know is a bad choice.

753
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: Dave Canalis love it. How about Brian day ball Rich

754
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: going to the Tennessee Titans. You know this was They

755
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: must have loved cam Ward or he must have loved that.

756
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: The Giants offered the number three pick, twenty twenty six

757
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: first rounder and multiple Day two picks last year to

758
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: the Titans for the number one pick in order to

759
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: seleck cam Ward. Obviously, the Titans declined that offer. Dave

760
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: ball is going to the Titans and helping out your boy,

761
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: Robert Sala. What do you think about this hire? Robert

762
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: Salas surrounding himself with another guy who's got a ton

763
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: of experience, obviously former head coach of the Giants. Your

764
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: thoughts about Sala's move here?

765
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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Established offensive coordinator who

766
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: can do it at a high level with a quarterback.

767
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: He wants to do it with a quarterback that he

768
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: studied well, and he clearly had a lot of respect

769
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: and regard for and went outside of his way to

770
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: try to acquire him before they obviously acquired Jackson Darton,

771
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: and he went that direction. But I like it. I

772
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: like it if he's that high on it, then who

773
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: am I to be upset? I think Robert Salah is

774
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: gonna give him the reins of the offense and allow

775
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: him to run it the way he wants to run it. Uh,

776
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna run the defense. I'm not sure if Salah's

777
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: gonna call plays or not, but it's as good of

778
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: a move as he could have made. I mean, I

779
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: think if you get McDaniel, you feel comfortable with it,

780
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: but you get day Bowl, you feel great.

781
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: And how about Mike McDaniel ultimately ending up with the

782
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: LA Chargers. It seems like a good fit on paper.

783
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: He can still wear his his jeorts out there as

784
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: joggers in LA. It makes sense, you know, just aesthetically,

785
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: but your thoughts as in execution here.

786
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: We'll see. I think Jim Harball has evolved a lot

787
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: since the guy that that coached me in college, and

788
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: it seems he's done a better job of being flexible

789
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: and and and and and going with the flow in

790
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: terms of of reading the room and and and reading

791
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: the personalities of his personnel and coaches. Because if he

792
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: was a guy that I knew in college, I'd say

793
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: it'd be a be a bit of a clash of

794
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: personalities because both guys are really smart, both guys. But

795
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: but Jim has a way of doing things and and

796
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: this is an alternative way. And I think McDaniels is

797
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: going to show him an alternative approach to coaching that

798
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 1: he may be unfamiliar with. But he's dealt with guys

799
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: who are who are more you know, these these offensive

800
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: geniuses who are a little more quirky is the word

801
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: I'll use, than what he's what he's accustomed to. You know,

802
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: he's an old school football coach, old school GrITT and grind,

803
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: grinded out kind of guy. And and I think Mike

804
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: is more of the new school analytics, UH creative scheme,

805
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: a creative way to approach the game, an offensive genius

806
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: run game, UH savant and and and I think Jim

807
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: obviously had a lot of respect for his presentation and

808
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: how he showed that he can manipulate a scheme and

809
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: how he understands the game and how he sees football

810
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: because he has a brilliant way, in a brilliant mind

811
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: for seeing this game and being able to manipulate the

812
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: defensive personnel to have success. So I think it's a

813
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: hand and Gulf Fit. He'll be great for not only

814
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: you know, Jim and what they want to do, but

815
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 1: he'll be great for Herbert and his development and making

816
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: the game easier for him and his development. You know,

817
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: he said something in his initial press conference like he

818
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: has all the talent in the world, but we don't

819
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: want to always depend on him to make these incredible throws.

820
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: I want to put him in situations where, hey, sure

821
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: you can do that, but I'm going to give you

822
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: a lot of layups too, a lot of down the

823
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: field layups where the guy is just wide open, and

824
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: every now and then, I'm going to ask you to

825
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: be special, but I'm not going to depend on you

826
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: being special for offense to be what it needs to be.

827
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Speaker 2: He's got a lot of weapons in LA and with

828
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: the healthy old line, lookout for the Chargers next year.

829
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: It could be really exciting in LA for them. We

830
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: can't go a full podcast without diving a little bit

831
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: into the San Francisco forty nine Ers. Let's talk offseason

832
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: San Francisco forty nine. There's gonna be a lot of questions,

833
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 2: how do you revamp this team? Obviously got to get healthy,

834
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: but one of the questions is you, if you are

835
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: John Lynch, do you resign Juwan Jennings or do you,

836
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: you know, maybe use that money elsewhere, maybe reinforce the

837
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: old line with a guy like Tyler Linderbaum from the

838
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens. You know what direction do you think the

839
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: forty nine ers should go this offseason?

840
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: I think you start building an offensive line that can

841
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: move people. And sure Juwan Jennings embodies everything you want

842
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: for the San Francisco forty nine Ers, that offense where

843
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan preaches he's a guy that works hardy, does

844
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: things the right way. But can you find another? Is

845
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: the question? What he's he what does he get on

846
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: the open market? And I think you allow him to

847
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: explore that. I think you keep keep the phone lines open.

848
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: I think you keep communication. But I don't think you're

849
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: the first. I don't think you. I think you let

850
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: him walk out of the building and let him, let

851
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: him see what he can get. Now, I think you

852
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: try to try to match it if it's if it's fair,

853
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: if you think, hey man, that's a low enough number

854
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: that we could stay in the fight, and and hope

855
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: that you didn't burn the bridge by letting him walk.

856
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: But I think getting a guy like Tyler Linnenbaum, uh

857
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: it would be Linderbaum is a great pickup. But I

858
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: also have concerns about why Baltimore let him walk. You know,

859
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: I I we gotta you gotta do your due diligence

860
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: and figure out why would they let a twenty five

861
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: year old, three time Pro bowler and former first round

862
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: pick get out the building? Because rarely are those guys available,

863
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: and for that reason, they're they're they're dependable, they're durable,

864
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: they're they're what they what you what you expect them

865
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: to be. And you're gonna be paying a high price

866
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: tag with the injury history of the San Francisco for

867
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: nine that you got to make sure you you make

868
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: sure you open every door and peek under every every

869
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: man and peek into every quarter to make sure this

870
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: guy is is gonna make it through the football season

871
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: every single year. Uh, if you're gonna pay him that

872
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: much money because of just the history that you've had.

873
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: But I think that is a move you make. I

874
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: think offensive and defensive line is world championships are won.

875
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: I think you can find the receivers and maybe they

876
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: they use Mac Jones to help them find their their

877
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: number one receiver in some way. Maybe there's a lot

878
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: of quarterback needy teams. And we we already mentioned the

879
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings, but the New York Jets, Like, hey, is

880
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,959
Speaker 1: Wilson available? Like can we get a mac Jones and

881
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: and a pick for Wilson? Like is that is that?

882
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: Is Garrett Wilson available? That's a conversation you're gonna have

883
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: to ask. And they've been they've been sellers before. I

884
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: mean they they got rid of Quinn and Williams, they

885
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: get rid of Sauce Gartner. So that's conversation that you're

886
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to have. And an offensive coordinator going to

887
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: the Jets is gonna want want some security. Hey, I

888
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: needed an established quarterback. I think Kevin o'c donald was

889
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: gonna be the first call that hey is he available?

890
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: Because I know he could come in here and do

891
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: the job all right. He could be our quarterback that

892
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: gets us through to make sure we know we have

893
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: stability and we know are all pro receivers happy. What

894
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: are you willing to give for him? You know, I

895
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: don't think you give Justin Jefferson, but can you give Addison?

896
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: Addison has some off the field issues to San Francisco

897
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. I don't know the answer to questions,

898
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: but I think those are the things that you're going

899
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: to have to explore. But I think solidifying the offensive line,

900
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: finding a pass rusher, finding two you can never have

901
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: enough of them, is priority over wide receiver. I know

902
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: they need to get faster, they need to get more talented,

903
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: they need more speed and all that good stuff. But

904
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: if you can't block for the fifty million dollar quarterback,

905
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: then none of it really matters.

906
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: Richard, It's finally super Bowl. I guess lead up to

907
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 2: super Bowl week. You're no stranger to playing in the

908
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: super Bowl, having played in three of them. Walk our walk,

909
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: our followers, our listeners through what this week really means? Like,

910
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: what do you you doing as a player this week?

911
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 2: I know next week everyone's in the Super Bowl host

912
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: city practicing, grinding it out. Are you guys resting, relaxing,

913
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: film study, getting your mind right, getting your body rested up?

914
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: Or you guys, what are you guys doing? Are you

915
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: guys practicing? Walk us through really what goes on this

916
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 2: week and leading up to the super Bowl.

917
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: Mitchell, you party, you go out, makes it you don't

918
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: lock in at all. You just just have a good time.

919
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: You're happy to be No, no, I mean do you

920
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: you lock in? First? The first initial shock you get

921
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: through the first day, you're dealing with millions of texts

922
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: from all these people. Hey, is tickets, tickets, tickets, man, congratulations,

923
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: congratulations super Bowl, living the life stream from every person

924
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: that you've ever known. Then it's like, hey, could you

925
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: help me with this flight? Could you help me with

926
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: this flight? Could you you figure out the people like

927
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: this is by Thursday. You need to figure out who's coming,

928
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: what they're doing, where they're staying, their flight situation. Are

929
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: they riding on the team playing? Are they stay at

930
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: the team hotel? Figure all that, where's your massages? Who

931
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: you know? You deal with the guys that are in

932
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: charge of player personnel and player development, and make sure

933
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: that you have your systems in place for next week

934
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: so that you can have a week like you would

935
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: have at home. Hey, things are in place that you

936
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 1: get your massages the same day you get your acupuncture,

937
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: if you do game ready, if you freaking have a

938
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 1: therapist you see every Wednesday, make sure that they are there.

939
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: And then in terms of media, I think Mike McDonald

940
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: would be doing it the right way. He'd probably shut

941
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 1: down media this week. For the most part. You don't

942
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: want a guy, a young guy who's never been in

943
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: this situation, to say anything crazy heading into the most

944
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: chaotic week of their lives, like because in a second,

945
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna have to answer questions, not just the big

946
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: time guys who have a stage that the sixty eighth

947
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: guy on the roster, practice squad, guy who just got

948
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: here a few weeks ago, is going to be sitting

949
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: there at media day and somebody's gonna put a mic

950
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: in his face and he's gonna have to answer questions.

951
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: They're looking for somebody to give bulletin board headline material

952
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: and they do not care who gives it. So I

953
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: think Mike McDonald's gonna keep things under wrap, keep his

954
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: team working, keep him consistent, make sure everybody's healed up,

955
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: everybody gets the treatment they deserve, everybody's fast and flowing.

956
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: We focused on endurance, especially the first Super Bowl, because

957
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: we were facing Peyton Manning and those guys, and they

958
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: ran this really fast, up tempo offense, so we were

959
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: running gassers. We were making sure that our conditioning was

960
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: where it needed to be so that we had no

961
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: reason to tap out of this game, and we refuse

962
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: to lose. That way, we're gonna be able to stand

963
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: toe to toe with these guys. And I think we

964
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: took so much pride in that because there was a

965
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: couple of really long drives where there were thirteen fourteen

966
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: play drives and their receivers are tapping out of the game,

967
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: and we're talking crap to them the whole time. They're

968
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: going to the sideline, like, hey, this is the Super Bowl.

969
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: Y'all supposed to be this big time offense running all

970
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: these these fasts, and y'all are tapping out in the

971
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: Super Bowl like you're bringing backups in the Super Bowl. Understand,

972
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: we don't respect you. We don't respect that because y'all

973
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: not man up. Hey, step stand up, stand up and

974
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: come out here. Be in shape. Be in shape, because

975
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: you can't be tired in the Super Bowl. We don't

976
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: get the sub. That's that's what you got to appreciate

977
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: about defensive backs. There's no there's no sub for a corner.

978
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: If the if the drive's eighteen plays, I'm out here

979
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: for eighteen. Now they might go goal line where they

980
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: got to bring the big guys in and then we

981
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: got to go to the sideline. But outside of that,

982
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: we're in the game. So we we conditioned over conditioned

983
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: for that game. The other Super Bowl we were banged up.

984
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: The other Super Bowl, we were banged up. I had

985
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: a getting the MRIs and X rays and treatment just

986
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: to make sure we make it to the super Bowl

987
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: game and uh and in Arizona. But both teams are

988
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: relatively healthy, they'rey excited. I think both coaches are are

989
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: similar in the mindset that they want no distractions, no nonsense,

990
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: Let's get to this game and let's win. And I

991
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: think that's what Mike McDonald's focusing on. Obviously, there's there's

992
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: mandatory appearances during the Super Bowl week, mandatory things, and

993
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: it's a lot for guys who don't usually deal with media.

994
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: And I think for this Seattle team, there aren't a

995
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: lot of big time personalities where where you're gonna be like, hey,

996
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be on the podium, this guy

997
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: like like we had we had a ton of characters

998
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: on our team. You mean that don't have a.

999
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: Richard Sherman and Marshawn Lynch on the roster rich.

1000
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: Right, right, That's pretty much what I'm saying. But but

1001
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna get to meet some of these guys. You're

1002
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: gonna get to hear them. You know, the world's gonna

1003
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: get to meet meet some of these guys for the

1004
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 1: first time. So it's gonna be it's gonna be really cool.

1005
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: That's one of the really cool things about the Super Bowl.

1006
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: But this week it's it's it's making sure people get

1007
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: their tickets, making sure people get situated where they're supposed

1008
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: to be. You try to go on to next week,

1009
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: not dealing with any of that. Like at when you

1010
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: get to Santa Clair to San Jose, that is done.

1011
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 1: That is done. When they get on the plane Friday,

1012
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean Sunday, it should be all done. The tickets,

1013
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: the flights, everything booked. No distractions. Don't call these kids

1014
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: and be trying to like, oh man, I messed up.

1015
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: Can such and such come? No, it's too late, Like

1016
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: it's too late, Stop distracted. This is about to be

1017
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: the biggest game in their lives. You don't want to

1018
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: go out, you don't want to mispractice, you don't want

1019
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: to be late to anything. And I don't think Mike

1020
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: McDonald's gonna have those issues.

1021
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: Well, Richard, it's always a pleasure in breaking news with

1022
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: the Richard Truman Podcast. We will be in San Francisco

1023
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: and we will be doing more content for you guys,

1024
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: more podcasts along the way leading up to the Super Bowl. Richard,

1025
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: it's always a pleasure, my man. I know you're fired

1026
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: up for your Seahawks to be in this Super Bowl.

1027
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: We'll have a lot more for you guys in the

1028
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: next two weeks. I will let you sign us off,

1029
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 2: my friend.

1030
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Speaker 1: As always, you could be anywhere in the world, but

1031
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Speaker 1: you're here with us and we surely do appreciate it.

1032
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Speaker 1: Please hit that's up button. If you knew, you know,

1033
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Speaker 1: the til the last game. After the last game, and

1035
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Speaker 1: even this offseason, we're gonna keep giving it to you.

1036
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Speaker 1: next time. We'll see you in Santa Clara Raph