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Speaker 1: Late Kick Extra Podcast. I am Josh Pate. I am

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Speaker 1: for the five star reviews. If you haven't already give

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Speaker 1: us one. And now less than a minute later, let's

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Speaker 1: it off with this question from go Irish in the

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Speaker 1: podcast review on Apple podcast, Thank you Go Ryan, he says,

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Speaker 1: who do you think is the next team that hasn't

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Speaker 1: argument against this is, Oh, Oklahoma doesn't play any defense. No,

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Speaker 1: football playoff situations, most recently against LSU. But if you'll

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Speaker 1: naturally that's your biggest rival. So Malsan was being and

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Speaker 1: is being held to the standard. But what was aggravating

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Speaker 1: me is, you know, they were dragging their feet on

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Speaker 1: something like a new football only facility. This is the

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff Nick Saban gets a yes too before

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Speaker 1: he eats his second bowl of oatmeal for breakfast in Tuscaloosa.

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Speaker 1: And they drugged their feet forever down there, and finally

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Speaker 1: they got the wheels in motion, and then COVID comes

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Speaker 1: in and construction gets delayed a little bit, but they're

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Speaker 1: in the process of their football only facility going up

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Speaker 1: down there. That's an example, just an example of the

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff that if you want to talk about

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Speaker 1: overtaking someone that's at the big boy table and taking

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Speaker 1: their spot. Well, you got to do what they've done.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about winning. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: making the investment year in and year out that it

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Speaker 1: takes to win. And the thing about it is, you

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Speaker 1: can't just do something in twenty and thirteen and then

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Speaker 1: sit back and relax and you know, prop your feet

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Speaker 1: up and say, Okay, we're there now. No, man, you

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Speaker 1: got to keep doing it year after year. If you

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Speaker 1: do something in twenty thirteen, it's old in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: You got to keep investing. You got to keep overturning,

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Speaker 1: you got to keep freshening up and polishing. That's what

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Speaker 1: it takes. And I just haven't gotten the feeling. They've

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Speaker 1: always been like that there as long as Malson's been there.

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Speaker 1: And the reason is simple. You need money to do

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Speaker 1: these things. And some of the big money folks at

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Speaker 1: Auburn have never viewed Gus Mauzon as the long term answer,

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Speaker 1: and they've been hesitant to come off that hip pocket. Now.

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Speaker 1: I cannot sit here and tell someone how to spend

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Speaker 1: their money. I can't do that. But the bottom line is,

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Speaker 1: if you just zoom it out from fifty thousand feet.

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Speaker 1: You realize you got to get it figured out one

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Speaker 1: way or the other. If he's not the guy, then

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Speaker 1: find the guy. Now I think he is the guy.

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Speaker 1: I think he's very underrated. But if he's not and

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Speaker 1: your donors are telling you, we're not going to do

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Speaker 1: what you need us to do unless you get us

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Speaker 1: our guy, well show us your guy, get him in here,

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Speaker 1: and then let's get the ball rolling. They finally got

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Speaker 1: that ball rolling a little bit. So again I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of in the let's make sure it's a continuous function

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Speaker 1: and not just all right, we gave you this one thing.

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Speaker 1: Now we're gonna stand pat for five years and see

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Speaker 1: what you can do with it. Fan favorite in the

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Speaker 1: podcast review is it really just the flukey win against

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Speaker 1: Ohio State and stumbling in the Big Ten title that

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Speaker 1: puts James Franklin in all the top coach in the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten conversations and allows the media to gain clicks

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Speaker 1: on Harball on negative stories. Franklin has a very similar

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Speaker 1: record against top teams and an equally bad record, especially

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Speaker 1: on the road against Harbaugh and a losing record to Michigan,

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Speaker 1: So I have a hard time getting the praise for

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Speaker 1: Franklin versus the hate for Harbaugh. I don't have any

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Speaker 1: hate for Jim Harbaugh here. I have not overly praised

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Speaker 1: James Franklin. But I will tell you this, I think

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Speaker 1: people's praise for James Franklin is twofold. Number one, they

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Speaker 1: saw him make Vanderbilt football matter, which is a minor miracle.

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Speaker 1: And number two, they saw the door he entered at

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Speaker 1: Penn State. And let's again remember the context, what was

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Speaker 1: happening just happened at Penn State and what was handed

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Speaker 1: down sanctions because of what just happened at Penn State.

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Speaker 1: When's the last time you talked about that? This is,

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Speaker 1: keep in mind, something that could have crippled that program

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Speaker 1: for three decades. When's the last time you talked about

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Speaker 1: that scandal at Penn State and the scholarships that got

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Speaker 1: taken away? You're not talking about it anymore. That's a

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Speaker 1: dynamite job of leadership. That is a great job by

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Speaker 1: a head coach. They haven't won a national championship, but

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Speaker 1: you can do a heck of a job of coaching

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Speaker 1: and fall short of winning a national championship. Bottom line is,

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Speaker 1: he walked in there and had a set of circumstances

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Speaker 1: dropped in his lap that made what you're being paid irrelevant.

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Speaker 1: You can be paid one hundred million dollars a year

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Speaker 1: for all I care, and pretty much everyone is ill

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Speaker 1: equipped to handle that. But yet he's done a good

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Speaker 1: job with it, and they have resuscitated the brand of

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Speaker 1: Penn State football to where less than ten years later,

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Speaker 1: that's not that long ago that that stuff happened. No

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Speaker 1: one's talking about it. I think they've done a great

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Speaker 1: job up there where. That's why I think he gets

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Speaker 1: the credit independent of what anyone says about Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: Another quick reminder, if you will just take two seconds,

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Speaker 1: hit those five stars, give us a five star review.

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Speaker 1: We're over three hundred and forty, I want to say

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Speaker 1: at last check, so I would just love to get

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Speaker 1: to a thousand, a thousand. When you say you have

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Speaker 1: a thousand of something, oh that's really impressive. At three

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Speaker 1: hundred something's impressive, but let's get to one thousand. Those

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Speaker 1: five star reviews also, they get us a shout out

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Speaker 1: in the National Editorial Meeting. It impresses everyone. So help

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Speaker 1: me help myself is what I'm asking you to do.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think that that is too much to ask,

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Speaker 1: do you? Let's move it on. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: this poster's name is because I just think he typed

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Speaker 1: it with his elbows. Don't really think he cared to

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Speaker 1: have his name expressed. But here's what he did say.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering what you think about the Palmetto prospects

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Speaker 1: wanting to stay home in Miami because of COVID instead

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Speaker 1: of going to the clearly better program in Gainesville. I

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Speaker 1: love that this is the first time I ever read

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Speaker 1: this question. Lastly, if and when do you think Florida

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Speaker 1: or when an if do you think Florida will become

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Speaker 1: a Tier one playoff team? All right, let me delicately

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Speaker 1: answer this. I had a phone conversation today about my

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Speaker 1: Florida hatred that doesn't exist. I actually want Florida to

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Speaker 1: be great, but they're not, and I call them on it,

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Speaker 1: and so I am accused by some of being a

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Speaker 1: Florida hater. The answer to the second part is I

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Speaker 1: don't know that Florida is going to become a Tier

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Speaker 1: one playoff team. Tier one and playoff team are two

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Speaker 1: different things. First off. Secondly, a Tier one is a

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Speaker 1: program that is a program metric that I talk about

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Speaker 1: team and program. A team is one year version of

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Speaker 1: a program. You got to do it more than one

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Speaker 1: year to be in Tier one as a program. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: as for this whole Palmetto five as they are referred to,

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Speaker 1: and that's a bunch of guys from the same high

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Speaker 1: school down there, elite guys that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: want staying home. Whatever it is, if it's COVID, if

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Speaker 1: it's just Manny Diaz and his staff doing what it

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Speaker 1: takes to keep guys home, and so one them on

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Speaker 1: a vision of what Miami could be as opposed to

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Speaker 1: what they are. I don't care how they're doing it.

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Speaker 1: If they get it done, it's a big deal. And

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Speaker 1: I was talking about this on Lake Cack Live the

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Speaker 1: other night on the twenty four to seven Sports YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of ankst and bitterness down there, rightfully,

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Speaker 1: So I would feel the same way if I were

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Speaker 1: a Miami or a Florida or an FSU fan and

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Speaker 1: I was watching Ohio State come in here, or Alabama

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Speaker 1: or Clemson come in here and take my players. But

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Speaker 1: what's really gonna set Florida fans off is if Miami

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Speaker 1: happens to be the program that has been in disarray

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Speaker 1: and they've been worse than you on the field. You're right,

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Speaker 1: But what if they end up being the program that

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Speaker 1: figures out how to keep kids in state before you do,

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Speaker 1: even though you're out performing them on the field. Right now, that,

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Speaker 1: if I'm a Florida Gator fan, would keep me up

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Speaker 1: at night for lack of being able to say more

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Speaker 1: forceful things on the podcast. And so that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: paying attention to right now, because if that does happen,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they they just landed James Williams verbally, and

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Speaker 1: now we're looking at Jason Marshall, a five star corner

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Speaker 1: from down there. I'm looking at a bunch of guys

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Speaker 1: in South Florida if they do get that ball rolling,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of folks close to Miami really feel

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Speaker 1: this momentum that normally you feel locally before you feel

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Speaker 1: it nationally. So if you guys are right on this,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a really big deal. Will be

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Speaker 1: a really big deal. Next up, Georgia versus everybody. I'm

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Speaker 1: a Georgia fan. I believe George Pickens has the ability

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Speaker 1: to be an elite wide receiver with the quarterback talent

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Speaker 1: we have coming. What are your thoughts on him? I

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Speaker 1: agree with you, I wholeheartedly agree. George Pickens last year

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Speaker 1: had flashes and it was flashes or they were flashes

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Speaker 1: that made you think, oh boy, if they had a

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Speaker 1: more consistent passing game, if they had a more advanced

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Speaker 1: passing game, if George Pickens was playing for LSU or

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Speaker 1: he's playing for Alabama in their current offense, what would

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Speaker 1: he look like? That's what George Pickens had folks saying

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Speaker 1: last year. So your question is basically, hey, if George's

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Speaker 1: offense is becoming that, what could George Pickens be? And

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Speaker 1: the answer is one of the best receivers in the country.

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Speaker 1: He was that coming out of high school. He could

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Speaker 1: be that in college. DT Salmmond, what do you think

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Speaker 1: it will take for Tennessee to be dominant again like

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Speaker 1: they were in the nineties. You've got to be able

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Speaker 1: to recruit at an elite level the six hour radius

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Speaker 1: around Knoxville. You've got to get your fair share out

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Speaker 1: of the Carolinas out of Atlanta, and you've got to

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Speaker 1: really do business in Alabama, be able to take guys

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Speaker 1: like Dylan Brooks, for example, out of a Roanoke that

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Speaker 1: you currently have verbally committed. That's a big deal. Dip

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Speaker 1: into Florida just like all the other big boys do.

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Speaker 1: But you got to since you don't have a dynamite

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Speaker 1: in state crop of talent. Although the end state product

607
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Speaker 1: in Tennessee has been on the rise, I will admit

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Speaker 1: that you got to do better out of state. And

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Speaker 1: that's not to say that they won't. That's what it's

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Speaker 1: going to take. They've got to build a championship caliber roster,

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Speaker 1: and this year, preferably, they need to beat one of

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Speaker 1: the big boys. And the big boys they play this year,

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Speaker 1: if they play their full schedule, would be Oklahoma, Alabama,

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Speaker 1: Georgia or Florida. Take one of them down, finish top

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Speaker 1: ten again in recruiting. You're on your way, Chunky MS.

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Speaker 1: I used to live in Columbus, Georgia. I used to

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Speaker 1: watch you on WLTZ. I thought, Oh, that's a bunch

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Speaker 1: of praise that I don't need to read. People think

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Speaker 1: I'm making it up, but I appreciate it. So I

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Speaker 1: have a question for you that goes back to your

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Speaker 1: days in Columbus. What was your co host name for

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Speaker 1: the life of me? I can't remember his name. Do

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Speaker 1: you have any good stories you're willing to share about

624
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Speaker 1: the early days of the show? Yes, I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: asking this. Back in the twenty ten eleven twelve, I

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Speaker 1: was trying to get in front of any live microphone

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Speaker 1: I could, and so I was doing local radio at

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Speaker 1: the ESPN radio affiliate there in Columbus, Wiol fifteen eighty

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Speaker 1: the zone, and one day the host got sick. I

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Speaker 1: was put in the chair. Rest is history. But there

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Speaker 1: was a guy who came in there who, unbeknownst to me,

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Speaker 1: had also been coming in to observe. His name was

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Speaker 1: Jonathan rivers On at Auburn. He had played at Shaw

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Speaker 1: High School there in Columbus, and he and I became

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Speaker 1: best friends. I told him I called him later that

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Speaker 1: week because I had met him for the first time,

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Speaker 1: and I told him, I remember where I was. I

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Speaker 1: was at the intersection of Double Church's Road and Veterans

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Speaker 1: Parkway on the north side of Columbus. And he answered

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Speaker 1: his phone and I said, I don't have any opportunity

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Speaker 1: for you. I don't even have anything myself, but if

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Speaker 1: I ever get the opportunity, I'm calling you. Well. A

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Speaker 1: few years later, a general manager from a TV station

644
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Speaker 1: has the bright idea to give me my own college

645
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: football TV show. So I called Jonathan Rivers and we

646
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Speaker 1: put together Football Nightly down South, which aired for a

647
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Speaker 1: couple of years there in Columbus at ten o'clock Eastern

648
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Speaker 1: time every night, and we had some of the most

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Speaker 1: fun that we've ever had. We were also doing a

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Speaker 1: radio show over at the college there, Columbus State University,

651
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Speaker 1: on the corner of Ninth and broad We did it

652
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Speaker 1: every Friday night. They gave us three hours of air

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Speaker 1: time and I used it to perfect my format. No

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Speaker 1: one could hear us. The range probably wasn't more than

655
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Speaker 1: two blocks away from the station, but it was repetition

656
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Speaker 1: that was so valuable. We were on the corner of

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Speaker 1: Ninth and there an all glass studio Broadways where all

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Speaker 1: the bars are. We were at ten o'clock Friday nights downtown.

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Speaker 1: You could not imagine a more perfect image of Sodom

660
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Speaker 1: and Gomorrah happening right out on the street as we're

661
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Speaker 1: trying to do a nice, straight laced, button down college

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Speaker 1: football show. And they have a freight line that does

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Speaker 1: what is in the train industry called street running it's

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Speaker 1: where the train goes right down the middle of the

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Speaker 1: road instead of a typical railroad crossing, So the trains

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Speaker 1: would send down to one of the local depots down

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Speaker 1: the line. They would send a train out sometime in

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Speaker 1: the middle of our show, and they would lay on

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Speaker 1: the horn and it was live, so the horn would

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Speaker 1: just be on air, but they would have to I

671
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Speaker 1: kid you not, they'd have to slam on the brakes

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Speaker 1: of these trains because folks will be plastered just walking

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Speaker 1: oblivious to the fact that there was a train twenty

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Speaker 1: yards from them out in the middle of the road,

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Speaker 1: and we're watching all this as we're trying to broadcast

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Speaker 1: live That prepared me for life in the news industry

677
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: and live shots out in the field and the stuff

678
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Speaker 1: that would distract most people. Oh, I was set because

679
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,959
Speaker 1: I had already watched people almost get hit by trains

680
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: while they were plaster drunk from a radio studio. So

681
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Speaker 1: if I could maintain composure during those times, I could

682
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Speaker 1: do it in any time. Next up is Ricky R.

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Speaker 1: Question for you, mister Pate. What is your favorite press

684
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: box food? Which school has the best medium menu? Alabama

685
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: does the best overall menu because they vary their dishes.

686
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: They had an ice sculpture in there one day. That's

687
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: not a joke. They had a nice at this point.

688
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: Some of these programs just show off, but they always

689
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: have a couple of meat carving stations. They're really good food,

690
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: way more than they should be feeding media. But I'm

691
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: not turning it down. But I will say this, My

692
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: favorite is LSU because LSU serves a lot of local cuisine.

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Speaker 1: Some of it I don't know how to pronounce. Some

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Speaker 1: of it I don't know what it is, but I

695
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: know it's good, so much so that if you've seen

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Speaker 1: that video that's been on Twitter this past week where

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00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: someone puts a bunch of bread out in the middle

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Speaker 1: of a group of monkeys and the monkeys come one

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Speaker 1: by one, and the first few monkeys, like a dozen

700
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Speaker 1: of them, they just take one piece of bread. But

701
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: there's this one monkey in the back. He's me He

702
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: waits for all the other monkeys to take one piece

703
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: of bread, and then he walks up and takes like

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Speaker 1: seven or eight of them. Every LSU game, even if

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Speaker 1: I've been on the field the whole game. After press conferences,

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00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: I go up like forty seven stories up to the

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00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: press box at LSU, which is just below cloud level,

708
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: and I load up because they put fresh food out

709
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: there at the end of the game. And I load

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00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: up and I'm not even embarrassed about it. I walk

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Speaker 1: out of there like I'm leaving Golden Corral and I

712
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: got a box to go, and it lasts me until

713
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: I get to about New Orleans, and I've probably still

714
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: got about four or five hours on the drive home

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Speaker 1: to Columbus, and that's where I would have been going

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Speaker 1: the last time I was down there. But LSU does

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00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: a good job. BAMA does a good job. Tennessee. I

718
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: think give us away whole pizzas to media, But you

719
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: got to get in there pretty quickly. I'll tell you.

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Speaker 1: At the Bowl games, man, we were down at the

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00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: Citrus Bowl this past year. They had a gourmet taco bar.

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Speaker 1: That didn't sound like a big deal to me until

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Speaker 1: I went to the gourmet taco bar. I didn't know

724
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: about the flavoring and the sweetness that is baked into

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Speaker 1: some of the gourmet taco shells, mainly because I didn't

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00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: know gourmet taco shells existed. So there's been a lot

727
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: of good food eating just in the past year by

728
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Speaker 1: yours truly. I Oh, by the way, I like the

729
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: football games too, all right? Next to get stuff there,

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00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: Next up, Chris thirteen. Here's something I've been grappling with lately.

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Speaker 1: How difficult is it for a team to have both

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00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: an elite offense and defense? What are the best circumstances

733
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Speaker 1: for that to happen? Under? Well? To me, the best

734
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: mixture is kind of like LSU speak of the Devil

735
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: had this last year. They had obviously an elite offense.

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Speaker 1: Everyone started hating on their defense because they had this

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00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: weird game against Vanderbilt early in the year where a

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Speaker 1: lot of players were out and Vanderbilt scored some non

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Speaker 1: offensive touchdowns and people lazily looked at the number vander

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00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: But put up and said, oh, Ls, you must suck defensively. No,

741
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: they didn't at all. They ended up being really good defensively.

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00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: Look at the product that was on the field in

743
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Speaker 1: the playoffs. By the way, did that suck? No? It

744
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: did not. But what they were is it wasn't just

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00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: this great wall of China or baton rouge if you will,

746
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: that was impenetrable. They were opportunistic, They were ball hawking,

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00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: They harassed the quarterback, and basically they knew they could

748
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: take chances because their offense was affording them that opportunity.

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Speaker 1: That's the kind of quote unquote elite defense that you

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Speaker 1: pair with a top notch offense. You don't have to

751
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: go into it knowing you can't give up more than

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00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: sixteen points, so you know you can take some chances.

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00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: That to me, if I'm building, you know, kind of

754
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: a fantasy college football team for me as a fan,

755
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: that's the kind of team that I want to watch.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know what, before I forget a quick reminder,

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Speaker 1: I see a few of the comments now that I

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00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: meant to address earlier. So a lot of you are

759
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: headed to college, in college, just out of college, and

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00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: you ask for general advice, you know which direction you

761
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: should go, just this and that, odds and ends feedback, etc.

762
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: So I told you that about once a month I've

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00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: been doing this for a while, I'll organize a sort

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00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: of group zoom session. You one in. Just email me,

765
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: I'll send you the link. Josh paid seven zero six

766
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com got one of those coming up,

767
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: So not going to waste too much time on it. Here.

768
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: It's the podcast for a reason. We're here to talk

769
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: about college football. But if you do one in on that,

770
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: just hit me up. Let me know. We continue here

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00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: from Josh. Actually, I have several military friends who are

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00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: Florida fans. For some reason, I'm getting attacked in group

773
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: texts about how much better Dan Mullen is and how

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00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: Kyle Trask is the next two up. I really don't

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00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: believe people said that, Josh. I'm gonna have to get

776
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: you to copy and paste that one for me. Is

777
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: my reply to these criticisms way too out there. My

778
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: reply is Kirby smart versus every active head coach is

779
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: look at where the coaches we're at this exact point

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00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: in Kirby's career. Kirby is the second best active head

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00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: coach to this point in his career, behind Ryan Saban.

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00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: At the five year mark, Kirby's better Mullin Kirby by

783
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: a mile. He is still fairly new compared to the

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Speaker 1: coaches they compare him to. This is a good point.

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00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: I have spoken about this. It's something that's always important

786
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: to remember. Let's use an example when talking about how

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00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: young Kirby smartt is as a head coach. He's less

788
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: than five years in as a head coach, take the

789
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: justin feels Jake from situation. If you feel like he

790
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: bungled that, and it's way more nuanced and in depth

791
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: than that. But if you just feel like he bungled

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00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: that and it's inexcusable, really, how young is he is

793
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: a head coach? Listen, there is no shortcut for learning

794
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: all the lessons. You may have a shortcut now to

795
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: getting a premier job at a younger age than he

796
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: used to be able to. And the advances in digital

797
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: technology allow you to expose yourself to thousands more repetitions

798
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: on game film than you used to have watched. But

799
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: learning how to manage people it doesn't get any easier.

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00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: In fact, I would argue it's gotten more nuanced and

801
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: complex these days, but you don't get to learn the

802
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: tough lessons out of the spotlight when your first job

803
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: is Georgia. Like you said, with Saban or guys you

804
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: know back in the day, Yeah, their first job five

805
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: years in they were learning those lessons at places like

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Speaker 1: as I've mentioned and got respect from for Toledo Bowling,

807
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: Green can't state and so no one really cared that

808
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: you screwed up there. Nationally, no one really cared. No

809
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: One at the Los Angeles Times was criticizing the head

810
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: coach of Bowling Green in nineteen eighty seven for screwing

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Speaker 1: up a quarterback decision. Everyone cares if you screw one

812
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: up at Georgia. So yeah, I think these are really

813
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: good points that you made here. And I don't hear

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Speaker 1: many people talking about Dan mullinover Kirby Smart in totality.

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Speaker 1: We did a segment on this. The video is still

816
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: very fresh on the twenty four to seven Supports YouTube channel.

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00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: If you look in that late Kick playlist you'll find it.

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00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: I did one Dan Mullen versus Kirby Smart, just heads up,

819
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: who's better? Did one pretty recently, and I didn't think

820
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: there was much, But I also said it's not settled

821
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: in stone. Dan Mullen could certainly make a move here,

822
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: but there have to be some changes on his end too.

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Speaker 1: Raquel asks, are you a two eighty five guy or

824
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Speaker 1: a seventy five eighty five guy? This is for those

825
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: of you unfamiliar, if you've never driven through Atlanta or

826
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: around Atlanta. Two eighty five is the perimeter. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of the bypass. Seventy five eighty five takes you right

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Speaker 1: through downtown going north south twenty goes east west. I

829
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: have been a two eighty five guy in the past

830
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: couple of years now. When I was growing up as

831
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: a kid, I always wanted to see the big buildings,

832
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 1: so I would beg my mom or dad, whoever was driving,

833
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: let's go through downtown. Easy to say when you're in

834
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: the back seat. Recently, I've been driving back and forth

835
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: from Nashville to Columbus a lot, and so i'd been

836
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: using two eighty five. But then COVID happened and everyone

837
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: stayed home, and you would not believe, even at like

838
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: six o'clock in the evening, seven o'clock in the evening,

839
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: you would not believe how easy it's been to get

840
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: straight through seventy five eighty five downtown, never even hardly

841
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: hitting the brake. So recently, Raquel, I've been taking the

842
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: more scenic crout and going straight through downtown dan up next. Recently,

843
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: the Big Ten Conference commissioner mentioned moving the Big Ten

844
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: title game away from Indianapolis to more of a rotating event.

845
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: Part of the reason is to add more interest to

846
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: the game and see if they can make money getting

847
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: stadiums to buy it for a year. I understand the

848
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: second part, money is money, but the idea the game

849
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: is falling flat might have more to do with the

850
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: East just being better. Right now, what are your thoughts?

851
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: I so agree with this. Listen, Sometimes people who make

852
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: these business decisions they live in a different world than

853
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: you do. Dan. The world you live in is one

854
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: where you really couldn't care less where the game's being played.

855
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: You care about the game. That's how I feel, you feel,

856
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 1: that's how most of us feel. Well, when you're talking

857
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: about bidding contracts with the city of Minneapolis or Chicago

858
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 1: or Green Bay to get this game, then you start

859
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: to live in a different world and you start to

860
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: justify this by saying, well, maybe this will bring more eyeballs.

861
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: Not a single additional eyeball maybe outside of the host city,

862
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: Not a single additional eyeball is going to watch Ohio

863
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: State versus Wisconsin because it's being played in Soldier Field

864
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: instead of Lucas Oil Stadium. I think it's what it's

865
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: still called in Indianapolis. No one outside of the people

866
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: in the host city care about that. What they care

867
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: about is the quality of the game. And you mentioned

868
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: in your question, I had to cut it short. You said,

869
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: the SEC's just kept it parked in Atlanta for decades.

870
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: Now that seems to work out okay for them. Yeah,

871
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: this caused the games normally competitive. You're right, the game

872
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: is normally competitive, and that's why no one really cares

873
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: what building gets played in. They care about the game, Tyler.

874
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: Next up. I am an Ohio State fan, and our

875
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: most significant criticism of Clemson is that the ACC is

876
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: really weak. Yet whenever I see Clemson fans on Twitter,

877
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: they always claim the same about the Big Ten. This

878
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: got me thinking, which conference is stronger? In your opinion?

879
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: How strong is the Big Ten as a conference set

880
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: aside from it the other conference? How specifically does it

881
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: compare to the ACC? Tyler? The Big Ten significantly better

882
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: than the ACC right now at the top, at the

883
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: mid levels, they're better if you want to do it

884
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: like this, And this is the way that I choose

885
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: to just take the conferences and seed the teams. Ohio State,

886
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: you're number one in the Big Ten. Clemsons, you're number

887
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: one in the ACC. They're equals. They cancel each other out.

888
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: Then what do you have? Okay, in some order, Penn

889
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: State and Michigan in Wisconsin, those are your two three

890
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: four in the Big ten. Who's your two three four

891
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: in the ACC? Cause the Big ten product there. Regardless

892
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: of what order you're putting these teams in, they're probably

893
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: seven point favorites over any combination of a two three

894
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: four from the ACC over the last several years. So

895
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: to me, this is not even worth debating all that much.

896
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: Big ten by a significant margin. Oj is. Next up

897
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: has social media and tweeting cruits, not recruits, just cruits

898
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: impacted college bound kits looking to boost their local or

899
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: national profile. And do you think it ever sways where

900
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: some of them land? The social media does? I don't

901
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: think fans impact you positively, but I think social media

902
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: departments at universities and then putting out quality products, like

903
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: for instance, LSU did last year, I don't think that

904
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: hurts at all. Tweeting recruits from fans, I hope that's

905
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: not sway in anyone. Actually, the only sway that I

906
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: think happens from you a fan tweeting a recruit is

907
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: if you know, I've seen rival fans create burner Twitter

908
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: accounts to pretend like they are fans of their arrivals

909
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: and they'll just harass a recruit, making the rival fan

910
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: base look bad. Most of the time kids figure that out,

911
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: but maybe not always. So maybe that's how you sway

912
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: a kid. But just remember the six most important words

913
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: in all of college football fandom. I will preach it

914
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: from now until the end of eternity. Just say no

915
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: to tweeting recruits. For those of you in the back,

916
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: for those of you who are on the lawn, more

917
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: park it for a second, turn it off. Let's say

918
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: of those six words together. Just say no to tweeting recruits.

919
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: If you want to do something bold, go peel the

920
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: tag off your mattress, Go to a restaurant, buy a

921
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: water poured out, fill it up with a fountain drink.

922
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: Just don't tweet recruits. There's no what if, there's no

923
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: what about. Under no circumstances do you need to be

924
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: tweeting recruits. Ever, your life will be better, their life

925
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: will be better. Everyone's life will be better. Just say

926
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: no to tweeting recruits. I hope I haven't been unclear.

927
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: Next up, Wesley, question about Alabama last year. Hypothetically Alabama

928
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: strength and conditioning program, if they hadn't lagged behind other

929
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: programs and thus more key players were on the field

930
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: not injured. Could they have beaten LSU and won the

931
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: national title? If so, how would that have changed the

932
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: perception of what LSU did well. The second part is

933
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: pretty self explanatory. I mean, there's a wide gap between

934
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: having a great team like LSU did last year, transcendently great,

935
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: and not winning a championship. They got that championship until

936
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: the end of time. Think about how different you'd feel

937
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: if you were LSU right now, talked about this before,

938
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: and you had a close loss to Alabama, you never

939
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: end up going to Atlanta to play for the SEC title,

940
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: and somehow you get left out of the playoff, and

941
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: then you watched Joe Burrow leave, and you watched Joe

942
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: Brady leave, and you watch all that talent leave to

943
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft, but you don't have a championship in

944
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: your back pocket. Yeah, there's a world's difference between scenario

945
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: A and scenario B for Alabama. Yeah, they could have.

946
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: It's hypothetical. Like you said in Nature, I guess my

947
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: question would be, if you had injuries reduced, are you

948
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: reducing the injury at quarterback along with that? Because I

949
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: mean it's one thing to get back Dylan Moses. It's

950
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: one thing for dj Dale to be fully healthy for

951
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: a year at defensive tackle. Is Dylan Moses going to

952
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: be one hundred percent because remember he had to come

953
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: back from an injury even to play in the LSU

954
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: game last year. That was a first game back from injury.

955
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you could guarantee me one hundred percent

956
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: health the quarterback, they would have had a good shot.

957
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: I still don't know that they would have, you know,

958
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: ultimately won the prize. A lot of stuff has to

959
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: go your way even when you're healthy, but yeah, they

960
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: would have had a shot. All right, let's toss it

961
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: to an ad break right quick. We got a really

962
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: good one on the other side of this. It's Jeff

963
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: and Jeff is asking about head coaches, not what they

964
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: say publicly. How do head coaches feel about other head

965
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: coaches off the record. It's juicy and that's what we're

966
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: gonna do right after this. All right, this is a

967
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: good one right here. This one's from Twitter, by the way,

968
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: at late kick Josh on Twitter. I appreciate you guys

969
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: for following me, and if you haven't already do that.

970
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: It's also free as is everything I ask you to do. So,

971
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: Jeff asks how do head coaches view other head coaches

972
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Do they look at a program and say,

973
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: with those resources, how is that guy not winning? Or

974
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: do they look at someone and say, hey, he's a

975
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: great recruiter, but he can't coach his way out of

976
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: a wet paper bag. Yes, they do this, but what

977
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: I have found is the assistant coaches are the ones

978
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: much more likely to trash other assistant coaches or head

979
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: coaches than the head coaches themselves. Are the head coaches

980
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: see the sport from a bigger picture perspective, and they

981
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: have an understanding of how big the plate is. Basically,

982
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: what that means is, if you see a head coach

983
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: struggling to win at a place where you think they

984
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: should be winning, you may look at it and say

985
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: he's terrible, he's an underachiever. They need to get him

986
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: out of there. It's insane that he can't win with

987
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: that kind of talent and resources. And maybe even some

988
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: assistant coaches may say that, But other head coaches look

989
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: at it, and the way they see it is I

990
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: wonder if they're fundraising mechanisms or working properly. I wonder

991
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: if he's getting pushed back on his budget that he presents.

992
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: I wonder if they've gotten staff numbers to the degree

993
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: that he wants to have. Internally, is their quality control

994
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: department where it needs to be? You know, are they

995
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: dragging their feet behind the scenes on keeping facility upgrade

996
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: enhancements and all pushed along? Or is he having trouble

997
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: with his academic support? Is mental health an issue with

998
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: some of his players? Compliance? Is the compliance department working

999
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 1: hand in hand all of these things assistant coaches don't

1000
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: really have to worry about. So to even some assistant coaches,

1001
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: it looks a lot more cut and dry than it

1002
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: does to a head coach. The head coaches you rarely

1003
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: get in trash talking each other, even off the record.

1004
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: There's an ultra tight fraternity where they may share that

1005
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: kind of information. Of course, there are exceptions here, but

1006
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: by and large, the assistant coaches they have a field

1007
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: day with this. The head coaches, they see it a

1008
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: little bit different. Everyone sees this though. Those five star

1009
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: reviews as we move on, thank you so much for those.

1010
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: And if you already forgot from when I ask you

1011
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: the first time, I humbly ask once more five star reviews.

1012
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: They are worth their weight in gold, and thank you

1013
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: so much for those. We continue here, AJ. In the

1014
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: current FBS ecosystem, the Group of five conferences are at

1015
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: a major disadvantage. In the twenty twenty signing class, only

1016
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: four four star recruits signed to Group of five schools,

1017
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 1: and it's currently the same in the next cycle. Fast

1018
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: forward to next year, when name, image and likeness goes

1019
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: into place. What chances do G fives have for some schools?

1020
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: They only play one Power five each season and it

1021
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: may not even be nationally televised. I'm currently of the

1022
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: opinion there needs to be major changes to the overall

1023
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: system because if things proceed like I believe they will,

1024
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: G five schools will become irrelevant. AJ. What are the changes?

1025
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: This is my answer now, AJ, What are the changes?

1026
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: Because in my opinion, you're talking about changes needing to

1027
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: be made. I already think G five's are propped up

1028
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: to a degree higher than the market naturally has dictated.

1029
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm not giving you my take here. My take is

1030
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 1: I love G five games. I watch dozens and dozens

1031
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: and dozens of them per year, But I'm a football junkie,

1032
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: so I watch it all. If there's not broad interest

1033
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 1: in the G five product, which there is not, what

1034
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: are you going to do to fix the sport where

1035
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: it's level? It is not now it never will be.

1036
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't think this is why I have been a

1037
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: big fan of getting rid of the illusion that these

1038
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: two entities are playing the same game. They're not Power

1039
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: five football and G five football. They're playing the same sport,

1040
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: They're not playing the same game. Two different things. Here,

1041
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: Harold asks, do you think college players may decide to

1042
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: play their senior year instead of going to the draft

1043
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: early if they're making money while playing college ball? Now,

1044
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: at first I didn't read this the right way, Harold,

1045
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: But then I thought about it and I said, oh wait,

1046
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: I see what he's saying here. See what I thought

1047
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: he was asking is, since these players are making money

1048
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: in college, are they just going to skip their senior

1049
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: year more often? No, that's not what he's asking. What

1050
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: Harold's asking is, with name, image and likeness, some of

1051
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: these guys are going to be able to earn a

1052
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: lot of money in college. The ones that would previously

1053
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: have been on the fence about leaving early for the

1054
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: draft but the fact that they have a lot more

1055
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: money in their pocket make them stay in college one

1056
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: more year. And the answer HEROLD is yes. I think

1057
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: that's absolutely a possibility. I think it's a fascinating concept

1058
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: and perhaps it's another unintended positive benefit of name, image

1059
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: and likeness. Now we've gone over this in depth on

1060
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: Late Kick Live this last Thursday or Sunday, I think

1061
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: it was the Sunday Show. Yeah, I encourage you to

1062
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: go look at that. I encourage you to go to

1063
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: the twenty four to seven Sports YouTube channel and look

1064
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: at my interview I did with Tiki Barber, the Social

1065
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Speaker 1: Distance Interview. We went in depth on it in that

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00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: feature as well about how a lot of folks, and

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00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: I assume some of you fit this description because I

1068
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: used to be like this. A lot of folks are

1069
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: scared that once you start putting money in players pockets

1070
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: from name, image likeness. Most people actually don't view it

1071
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: like that. They just say, once you start paying players,

1072
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: then it ruins the sport. It doesn't. I'm telling you

1073
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: it doesn't for many different reasons, and so I would

1074
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: encourage you to go watch those two features on the

1075
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven Sports YouTube channel it dispels. I

1076
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: think a lot of the myths around this. It's not

1077
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: going to ruin the sport, guys, It's not even going

1078
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: to ruin it as you know it. I think in

1079
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, it may improve it in ways

1080
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: that you could never have imagined. Erin next up, I

1081
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 1: noticed where you ranked Missouri as the twelfth best job

1082
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: in the SEC, which I think is fair. My question

1083
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: is what would be the high water mark from Missouri

1084
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: if Eli drink Witz can maintain his in state recruiting momentum.

1085
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: Saint Louis is very fertile, especially if you include East

1086
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: Saint Louis. Plus they're in the only FBS team in

1087
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: the whole state. Could they exceed let's say South Carolina

1088
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: in the next three years with the right coach. I

1089
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: think the main problem is an apathetic fan base. What

1090
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: are your thoughts, Aaron? Keep in mind now, when I'm

1091
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: talking about ranking these jobs, that's what I was doing.

1092
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: I was ranking the jobs, not the programs. Yeah, Missouri

1093
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: could overtake South Carolina as a program fairly easily. We're

1094
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: talking about overtaking him as a job. That apathy you

1095
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: just say, that's no small deal. That's a big deal

1096
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: that matters in the context of a job. And I

1097
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: just don't know if Missouri, you know, even at their

1098
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: best people down here of view, Missouri is as close

1099
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: to Canada as it is to Florida geographically. It actually

1100
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: may be or very close to it, but it's just

1101
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: in another world to a lot of people down here.

1102
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: And the bottom line is, if you're South Carolina, you're

1103
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: always going to be way closer to the most precious

1104
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: commodity this sport has to offer, which is geographical talent beds.

1105
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: And you're talking about Saint Louis and Kansas City there,

1106
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: and yes, they have some good players that come out

1107
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: of those areas, but it's not New Orleans, it's not Atlanta,

1108
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: it's not Charlotte by any stretch. And so I don't

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00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: know what changes, because fundamental changes would have to happen

1110
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: in order to vault Missouri up several spots on those

1111
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: rungs of the ladder of best jobs in the SEC.

1112
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's out of the realm of

1113
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: possibility that you could eclipse certainly the programs that I

1114
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: had listed behind Jack is next up. What would it

1115
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: take for Bryce Young to beat out Mac Jones as

1116
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: Alabama quarterback. I've got to fear that if he doesn't

1117
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: start this year and mac Jones has a solid year

1118
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: and doesn't enter the draft, he'll be gone via the

1119
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: transfer route. Jack. I don't think that's gonna happen, and

1120
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Speaker 1: I think you'll see Bryce Young play this year. Now,

1121
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: speaking to someone in the last month, they do not

1122
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: believe he's overtaking mac Jones for the starting spot at

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00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: Alabama at least early in the year. Now, having said that,

1124
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna play, and I think he's going

1125
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: to play a pretty good deal because he's going to

1126
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: be too good to keep off the field, And I

1127
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: think that they'll find the right balance there. And who

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00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: knows how it shakes out injuries, covid, Who in the

1129
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: world knows, But I think it'll work out the way

1130
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: it has to work out to where one or both

1131
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: of those guys, let me rephrase, where Bryce Young or

1132
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 1: Bryce Young and Mac Jones are both still there next year.

1133
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: Next up, I was listening to the podcast and you

1134
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: were talking about how it's a very about how many

1135
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: teams should get a chance or deserve to get a

1136
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: chance for the college football playoff. Well, how would you

1137
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: feel about a national championship that's dependent on who the

1138
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: committee determines can compete. In other words, the committee would

1139
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: determine how many teams get in that given year. It's

1140
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: a lot to put on the shoulders of the committee.

1141
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: But I was curious what you thought about it, So

1142
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: I put this out on Twitter earlier today. Generated a

1143
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: lot of conversation. Now, let's understand this is impossible for

1144
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: several reasons. So we understand that now we're venturing into

1145
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: hypothetical land, pure fantasy. It's fun to talk about. It

1146
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: sparked a lot of conversation. So I think what you

1147
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: would say here is we're taking teams that qualify for

1148
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: elite status, and however many of them there are at

1149
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: the end of the year, that's how big the playoff

1150
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: field's going to be. If there are nine of them,

1151
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: If there are two of them, that's how big the

1152
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: playoff field's going to be. Again, someone out there, as

1153
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: sure as I am talking about this is saying that's

1154
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: not poss I know it's not possible. That's why I

1155
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: said it's impossible. Just bear with me. We're having fun.

1156
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: It's what we do here. I haven't even started camp yet.

1157
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: We're just having fun. What would elite be? That was

1158
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: my question on Twitter. How would you define elite? And

1159
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: what I think you'd find is if you defined elite properly,

1160
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: most years you'd struggle to get four teams. That's why

1161
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm not one of many reasons why I'm not in

1162
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: favor of expanding the playoff in the real world. I'm

1163
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: not in favor because I don't think that you have

1164
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 1: any year where you have six or seven or eight

1165
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: elite teams, and I think that the end of the

1166
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: season playoff should be reserved for teams that fit that category.

1167
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: No auto bids. I just want the best in but

1168
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: I only want elite teams at the table. And I

1169
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: know that goes against what some of you believe the

1170
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: playoffs should be, and that's fine, we can agree to disagree.

1171
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,959
Speaker 1: But I think if we defined elite and then only

1172
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: took teams that met that qualification in this hypothetical world,

1173
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: it would prove the point that rarely do we even

1174
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: have four of that are elite by the end of

1175
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: the year. Next up, Colin asks would it be beneficial

1176
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: for an offensive coordinator to go back to power football?

1177
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: And run something like a no huddle wishbone. Not only

1178
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: would it take advantage of smaller linebackers, but using the

1179
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: wishbone would always minimize the amount of time that an

1180
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: opposing team would potentially have for a high scoring offense

1181
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: to be on the field. It's fun in theory to

1182
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: think about, Colin, but here's what you got to also consider.

1183
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: What are your goals as a program. I assume you're

1184
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: talking about contending programs, top twenty programs. How do you

1185
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 1: sell that concept to your fans? How do you sell

1186
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: the administration on it? How do you sell recruits on it?

1187
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: Because here's what you got to think about. You may

1188
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: think to yourself, oh, we don't have to have elite

1189
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: five star receivers to run this offense. That's true, but

1190
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: see here's the thing. Elite recruits kind of flock together

1191
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: with other elite recruits, and when you're not recruiting elite

1192
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: offensive guys, that means by default you were recruiting classes

1193
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: aren't going to be ranked high. And the elite defensive

1194
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: guys that you need are probably going to look at

1195
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: that and say, well, they're not on par with these

1196
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: other teams. I haven't offer from and so all of

1197
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: a sudden, you turn into what Georgia Tech was under

1198
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: Paul Johnson. Didn't even care about recruiting. We'll just go

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01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: find whoever's left over, and you know, we'll try to

1200
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: make the best of it because we're going to run

1201
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: the triple option and we play a different brand of football.

1202
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it's able to be sold at a

1203
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: high caliber program. Next up, Matthew. I'm a Nebraska fan

1204
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: born in nineteen ninety. My entire career as a college

1205
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: football fan has consisted of witnessing the slow and painful

1206
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: death of a once proud program after three decades as

1207
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: a power. How did Nebraska decay into a cellar dweller.

1208
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember that eleven and two season

1209
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: when it was a disappointment. Now we can't even make

1210
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: a bowl game. Other programs like Bama, Penn State, and

1211
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: Notre Dame have had dry spells, but they always bounce back.

1212
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: What happened to Nebraska? Can we ever recover? Well, here's

1213
01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: what happened. Nebraska under Tom Osborne was ary in many ways.

1214
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: They were doing things that other people just weren't doing

1215
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: yet offensively, think Chip Kelly in Oregon, same principle. They

1216
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: weren't in a place where there was a ton of

1217
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: talent all over the state. They weren't a place where

1218
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: you necessarily had the most elite of elite players nationally

1219
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: flocked to. But they were doing something so new that

1220
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: other people couldn't keep up with them, and so for

1221
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: a time it was theirs. But then the problem at

1222
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: Nebraska was slowly the sport adjust and then other people

1223
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: start stealing those principles, and then once it's no longer revolutionary,

1224
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: and once the competitive landscape balances out, a sort of

1225
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: natural order is restored. And in this sport, natural order

1226
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: is teams with access to the best talent generally win more.

1227
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: And that means teams in the South, and that means

1228
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: teams out on the West coast. That's the general rule.

1229
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: And that was the problem. You were never going to

1230
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: keep doing things at Nebraska that no one else was doing.

1231
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: If you're doing something that works and no one else

1232
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: is doing it, you won't be the only one doing

1233
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: it for long. So that's what happened to Nebraska, and

1234
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: it's just impossible to stay on the cutting edge forever.

1235
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: Then you talk about coaching turnover and instability and all

1236
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: that other stuff, But really, I think that's what precipitated

1237
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: a lot of it. Next up is, will you talked

1238
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: about the four Auburn team not having a chance to

1239
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: win a title? Any chance for a segment on what

1240
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: a four team playoff would have looked like in some

1241
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: of the BCS years, like seven, twenty eleven, twenty twelve.

1242
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: I feel like there would have been several years with

1243
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: two SEC teams in a playoff field of four. Will

1244
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: This is a good one. I'm actually saving that for

1245
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: the future. I've got something I'm working on there that

1246
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: loosely centers around this one, So I'm tabling that one.

1247
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: Put a bookmark in it. Matthew is next up? Do

1248
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: you like how non conference games are mostly all in

1249
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: September or would you like more non conference games to

1250
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: be played throughout the season. I don't really have a

1251
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: preference either way, Matthew. I don't don't have a huge

1252
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: problem with how anyone does it right now. Butcher's next up?

1253
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: Could you talk about the future of North Carolina. Well,

1254
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: they're in a wide open conference right under Clemson. I

1255
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: mean it's wide open behind Clemson, so that means it's

1256
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: a wide open opportunity. I think they are capitalizing right

1257
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: now on a very underrated recruiting region, the Carolina's, specifically

1258
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: their own home state. They landed a big name like

1259
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: Tony Grimes from the DC area. They got quarterback figured

1260
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: out currently with Howell, they got quarterback figured out in

1261
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: the future, you would think with Drake May already committed,

1262
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: they've got organizational structure figured out. They got a really

1263
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: good head coach right now that has cast a vision

1264
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: that that assistant coaching staff is carrying out to perfection.

1265
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: Now you got to see it repeated year over year,

1266
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: but good early indications. I think they're going to be

1267
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: a problem for quite a while. Jackson is next up

1268
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: here at Oregon. We watched Justin Herbert and Brady Breeze

1269
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: take home the Offensive and Defensive awards at the Rose Bowl. Well,

1270
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: I and many of my friends took an extra measure

1271
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: of pride in the fact that they were both from

1272
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: the state of Oregon. We watched them play in high school,

1273
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: We followed their recruitment, we followed them on social media.

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Speaker 1: Now we got to celebrate their accomplishments. Should a coach

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Speaker 1: look at the home crowd and hometown motivation and factor

1276
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: that into recruiting offers. This is a really good question.

1277
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: There are two distinct schools of thought here. Both of

1278
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: them have upsides. I think both of them have some downsides.

1279
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: So you've got the approach that I have seen Georgia

1280
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: take recently, and that sort of forget about state lines.

1281
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: Don't put so much of an emphasis on state lines.

1282
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: Let's just go get the best of the best if

1283
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 1: they want to come here, regardless of where they live.

1284
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: Then you got the other school of thought, that's we're

1285
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: going to place a premium on locking down our state.

1286
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: We're going to prioritize homegrown kids because we know that

1287
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: that pride that they have of being able to play

1288
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: for the logo or that home school, it's a critical

1289
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: and tangible that you can't quantify, but it's really important

1290
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: to have on the field. It's important to have in

1291
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: the locker room. Now, with the first approach, just go

1292
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: get the best wherever they are. You maximize your access

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01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: to talent. But you find that you expose yourself sometimes

1294
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: to more locker room issues if things go sideways. Because

1295
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: if things go sideways and it's not ideal and you're

1296
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: not headed to a fifteen to o season. Guys aren't

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01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: necessarily there with that hometown pride factor in the back

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01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: of their minds. Therefore, they don't respect that logo as

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01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: much for the same reasons as a homegrown kid would.

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01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: And if things aren't going the way they want them to,

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01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: you're a lot more likely to have some dissension because

1302
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: they don't appreciate that logo like a hometown kid would. Now,

1303
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: the second aspect is, you may have a locker room

1304
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: full of guys if you prioritize home state kids. You

1305
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: got a locker room full of guys willing to go

1306
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: over a cliff for you and for that logo. But

1307
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: you may limit your options, you may expose yourself to

1308
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: if you have in state cycles that are just down,

1309
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: where can you go? You haven't established a pipeline out

1310
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: of your state, and so you may ultimately limit the

1311
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: ceiling of your roster. So you see here it's a

1312
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: delicate balance. And in Oregon, obviously you know Mario Crystabal

1313
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: has to go out of state. It's nice if you

1314
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: get some in state kids, he's got to go out

1315
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: of state. So in a lot of ways, I don't

1316
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: think that this it doesn't factor in as much with

1317
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: Oregon because you know, you have to do it every year,

1318
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: as it does down south a little bit more where

1319
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,479
Speaker 1: teams have the option if they want to, they don't

1320
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: have to leave their state and they could get competitive

1321
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: classes every year. It's been really interesting because it's been

1322
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: a talking point down Here is the reason that I

1323
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: mentioned Georgia because at first a lot of Georgia folks

1324
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: were happy that Kirby Smart was going national. But then

1325
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you got a lot of the

1326
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: Georgia kids that go elsewhere, and then they're left saying, man,

1327
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: maybe we should have focused on the state more. And

1328
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: it's one way the other. You're never gonna please in everyone.

1329
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: So it's really fascinating to watch David. Next up, David

1330
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: asks what are the top five college football rivalry games?

1331
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: Michigan has lost fifteen of the last sixteen to Ohio State,

1332
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: bottom of the top five to me until they win again.

1333
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: All Right, So that's how David sees it. Here's how

1334
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,919
Speaker 1: I list them. Iron Bowl's number one, and that's really

1335
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: just because I grew up in the South Michigan. Ohio

1336
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: State is number two. Always respected it. I think it

1337
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: matters more nationally than the Iron Bowl, because I think

1338
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: Michigan and Ohio State are both national brand names, whereas

1339
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: in the Iron Bowl, Alabama's a national brand, Auburn's more

1340
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: of a regional brand. That's the way I always looked

1341
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: at that. Even in the South Texas, Oklahoma is my

1342
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: number three, Army Navy is my number four, But I

1343
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: want to talk about number five. You guys aren't gonna

1344
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: believe this, but I am dead serious about this. I

1345
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: have felt this way since I was a kid and

1346
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: I first saw a replica of the trophy. Iowa versus

1347
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: Minnesota is in my top five college football rivalries because

1348
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: the Floyd of Rosedale here me now is the greatest

1349
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: trophy in all of sports, not just college football. Floyd

1350
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: of Rosedale is the greatest trophy in all of sports.

1351
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: I did research a long time ago. I was bought

1352
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: all those college football history books, and one of the

1353
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: first really vivid stories I remember about the history of

1354
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: college football was about the Floyd of Rosedale Trophy. And

1355
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: if you don't know the story, it is great. Cliff

1356
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: notes time. The year is nineteen thirty four. Minnesota is

1357
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: blowing out Iowa and they roughed up a tailback for Iowa.

1358
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: His name was Ozzie Simmons. He was one of the

1359
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: very few black players in college football at the time,

1360
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: and they roughed him up pretty bad, so obviously Iowa

1361
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 1: doesn't take too kindly to it. The next year I

1362
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: was governor, name was Clyde Herring. He goes on record

1363
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: and says, if the official stand for any rough tactics

1364
01:08:54,720 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: like Minnesota used last year, I'm sure the crowd will not. Basically,

1365
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: he incited a riot. He said, hey, we're going on

1366
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: that field if that happens again, so then Minnesota's attorney

1367
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: general gets involved. You think things are crazy right now,

1368
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: don't you. This was in nineteen thirty five. This was

1369
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty five. People the age in Minnesota accuses

1370
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: the Iowa governor of thuggery. That's right, thuggery, mid thirties thuggery.

1371
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: That's what we have going on here. And his quote

1372
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: is your remark that the crowd at the Iowa Minnesota

1373
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: game will not stand for any rough tactics is calculated

1374
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: to incite a riot. It's a breach of your duty

1375
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: as governor and evidence of unsportsmanlike, cowardly and contemptible frame

1376
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 1: of mind nineteen thirty five. So then how do we

1377
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: get the trophy? So the Minnesota governor, his name was

1378
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: Floyd Olsen, he's trying to calm the situation. So the

1379
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: day of the game he gets in touch with the

1380
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: Iowa governor and he says, if you're seriously thinking you

1381
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: got a chance to win this, I'm gonna bet you

1382
01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: a Minnesota prize hog against an Iowa Prize as hog

1383
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: that Minnesota wins today, loser has to deliver the hog

1384
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: in person to the winner, as is usually the case

1385
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: any kind of hog for hog trade. You guys know

1386
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: how that goes. Accept my bet through a reporter. He said,

1387
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna get odds because Minnesota raises better hogs than Iowa.

1388
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: My best in personal regards and condolences. Minnesota wins the

1389
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: game thirteen to six. And then here's where things really

1390
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: got interesting and took a turn for the worse. This

1391
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:31,799
Speaker 1: is straight from Wikipedia. An Iowa social crusader named Virgil

1392
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: case most social crusaders are named Virgil by the way,

1393
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 1: he swore out a criminal warrant in Des Moines against

1394
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: the governor, alleging that the bet violated Iowa gambling laws.

1395
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,839
Speaker 1: Case also argued that the governors were guilty of violating

1396
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: federal gambling laws because the pig had to be placed

1397
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: into interstate commerce when Herring made good on the bet,

1398
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: but the US attorney, fortunately who had a life, declined

1399
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: to prosecute by the way, that social crusader. I can

1400
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: think of a number of very high profile sports media

1401
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: types that fit that description perfectly. I don't think I

1402
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 1: need to be any more specific for you guys to

1403
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: use your own imaginations and know exactly who I'm talking

1404
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: about there. So, Florida Rosedale, he may be a pig,

1405
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: but Florida Rosdale is the goat college football trophy and

1406
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: it's the greatest trophy in all of sports. And I

1407
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: watch the game every year, don't care what the records are,

1408
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: just to see that little pig get carried around the

1409
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: field after the team wins and gets to hoist him

1410
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: on their shoulders. And if any of you out there

1411
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 1: have a replica Florida Rosdale, I don't know what the

1412
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 1: address is, you need to send it to you look

1413
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: it up. You can find twenty four to seven sports

1414
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: home address in Brentwood. It's pretty easy. You send me

1415
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: that replica trophy. You and I are going to have

1416
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: a conversation off the air about how I can properly

1417
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: compensate you. Next up, Sebastian, what are your thoughts on

1418
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: Maryland football? Why can't they just put something together? Loads

1419
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 1: of talent in the area. Seems like there's a quarterback

1420
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: great though. Multiple coaching staffs that have come in to

1421
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: turn the program around, and they just haven't been able

1422
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: to do more well. I think the first thing to

1423
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: watch is name, image and likeness. With the under armor connection,

1424
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: it could be right in their wheelhouse, but Mike Loxley

1425
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: being there as the head coach is something else that

1426
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: could be in their wheelhouse. Now, he's got to follow

1427
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: through on the name of the game with him, which

1428
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 1: is recruiting. He's got a little bit of a grace

1429
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: period right now to build his roster. They got to

1430
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: his brother, Taliatguevailoa, got to see if he's going to

1431
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,520
Speaker 1: be eligible this year. One of those pending waivers situations.

1432
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: You just don't know who's going to wake up on

1433
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: the right side of the bed in Indianapolis and decide

1434
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: to rule on that. I think they're going to get

1435
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: a little more pass happy this year. You look at

1436
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: their roster thirteen scholarship wide receivers. If that offense starts

1437
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: to click this year, got to get offensive line in

1438
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 1: shape first, and I like the moves they made by

1439
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: the way in the offseason getting a lot bigger on

1440
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: offensive line. I think that offense, if it starts to

1441
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: click a little bit this year, recruiting takes care of itself,

1442
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: then we start to see positive results. At least, you know,

1443
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: the heart monitor goes beep beep, beep beep instead of

1444
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: the flat line that has been Maryland football for a

1445
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: little while now. Daniel, next up, do you think Justin

1446
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: Flinte is the guy for my Virginia Tech Hokies? What

1447
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: are they missing that's keeping them out of the race.

1448
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: We got a great hungry fan base, hostile home field advantage. Well,

1449
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: my opinion on Justin Flinte is still undeveloped. I don't

1450
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 1: know if he's the man, which in and of itself

1451
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: is probably negative. By default, offensive identity has not been

1452
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: there to this point. I don't know what they're about offensively.

1453
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: They now have turnover on defense with Bud Foster gone,

1454
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: so I don't really know what they will be defensively.

1455
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: Long term roster turnover has been a bit of an

1456
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: issue there, So I guess three letters, I DK, I

1457
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: don't know. That's the best way I can describe Virginia

1458
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: Tech right now. You're right about the hostile home field advantage,

1459
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: hungry fan base. You got those boxes covered. That's not

1460
01:13:56,160 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: going anywhere. They are one of the reasons why there's

1461
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: a large vacuum right behind Clemson in the ACC right now.

1462
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 1: There's just begging for someone to fill it. That should

1463
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: be Virginia Tech, but it's not happening right now. Next up, Adam,

1464
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 1: With Notre Dame now more than ever likely to permanently

1465
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: become an ACC football team, should the ACC look at

1466
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: dropping a team like Boston College or Wake Forest for

1467
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 1: teams like UCF or possibly my former college, UAB. Listen, Adam,

1468
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: don't let twenty twenty four you. Notre Dame is not

1469
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: joining any conference anytime soon, and unfortunately for you, because

1470
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 1: it appears you want it this way, this is not

1471
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: the English soccer deal where they dump the worst teams

1472
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: and add new ones every year. Though that may be fun,

1473
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: that's not the way those decisions get made. So ACC

1474
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: is gonna be acc for a little while. I think,

1475
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: speaking of Jansen. Next up, Georgia Tech is a team

1476
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: I find interesting. With Jeff Collins inheriting the remains of

1477
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: the triple option, what can we reasonably expect from that

1478
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: team the next few years? I think by next season

1479
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,919
Speaker 1: I expect them to have a roster capable of competing

1480
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: for the coastal I think their recruiting will be at

1481
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: a level this time next year. That's turning a lot

1482
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: of heads. I don't think there'll be any triple option

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Speaker 1: residue or Paul Johnson residue left on them by twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, maybe even sooner. Zach is next up. What

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Speaker 1: are the arguments for and against paying players during their

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Speaker 1: college careers? What's your personal opinion? As I mentioned covered

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Speaker 1: extensively Thursday Night or Sunday Night, I'm on board with name,

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Speaker 1: image and likeness. Now, I'm not on board with revenue

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Speaker 1: sharing because I believe when it comes to the pie

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Speaker 1: of the revenue pie that includes television money and merchandise

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Speaker 1: sales from licensing and gate numbers, I think that those

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Speaker 1: dollars are generated far more from brands than individual players.

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Speaker 1: I'm not for that revenue sharing model. I am wholeheartedly

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Speaker 1: for players being able to cash in on their name,

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Speaker 1: image and likeness, because there are individuals out there whose name,

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Speaker 1: image and likeness which they own, merit value, and they

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Speaker 1: should be able to capitalize on them and I do

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Speaker 1: believe that. I also believe we've done a long time,

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Speaker 1: so we got to wrap it up here. Really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys listening. The five star reviews I ask one

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Speaker 1: So until next time. For producer TONI I'm Josh Pate,

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