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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Deeply Well. Even though the new

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Speaker 1: season is fast approaching, we are not quite there yet.

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Speaker 1: So this is a kind of a pared down episode

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited about. There's been a lot going on

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Speaker 1: in the world. God, right now. I know that's an understatement.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's insane. I don't think any of us

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Speaker 1: what it is to be alive. In this moment, we

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Speaker 1: are experiencing paradox in some dare I say, unprecedented ways,

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Speaker 1: which seems to be the theme of our lifetime, our

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Speaker 1: generational lifetime. That is absolutely how I feel as a millennial.

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Speaker 1: We are holding so many contrasting, multiple truths at one time,

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Speaker 1: and I think for many of us, it feels like

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Speaker 1: feels hard, it feels confusing. Today is March eighth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. I am recording this episode in the studio,

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Speaker 1: and I want to talk about some things from the

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Speaker 1: perspective I have in this exact moment in time. March eighth,

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Speaker 1: needed to really formally say out loud. You know. It

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Speaker 1: was incredibly disappointing and disgusting find Deepak Chopra's name in

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Speaker 1: Epstein files. It's shameful. It's so shameful, it's despicable. On

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Speaker 1: the last that I checked, I think there were around

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Speaker 1: many of us in this space are reeling about this news,

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Speaker 1: to speak to the fact that I was an employee

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Speaker 1: A reeling and only speaking for myself, I have not

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Speaker 1: for myself, in my viewpoint, it's not a reeling because

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Speaker 1: there was a false belief that he was perfect or

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Speaker 1: he was high on this pedestal in my life. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: that's not the case. I can say though, I absolutely

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Speaker 1: deeply was profoundly inspired by his work and it met

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Speaker 1: path to healing. And he was absolutely, through his work,

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Speaker 1: the world. That is absolutely true. I learned to meditate

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Speaker 1: I am a woman who has lived a life. I

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Speaker 1: I walk the path of Christ. That is my desire

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Speaker 1: The desire to appease someone of such low moral character.

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Speaker 1: You know, these emails happened far before I ever worked

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Speaker 1: I stand today. I have not worked for Choper Global,

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Speaker 1: with Chopra. I closed that chapter on even the great

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Speaker 1: or allowing it to create the barriers to all the

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Speaker 1: other facets of a beautiful, well lived life that you

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Speaker 1: deserve to see and feel. I have said this many times,

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Speaker 1: but I want to be clear and say it here

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Speaker 1: as someone as a trauma survivor. Even on my absolute

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Speaker 1: best day, I am a little sad. I do struggle,

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Speaker 1: and I am living a life I worked my ass

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Speaker 1: off for it that I love. I do feel seen,

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Speaker 1: I feel safe. I feel like I have practices and

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Speaker 1: processes that allow me, even on a harder day, to

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Speaker 1: get to the beautiful truth of who I am and

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Speaker 1: how I'm here to serve and for me. Not only

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Speaker 1: is that enough, it's everything I could have ever hoped

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Speaker 1: for or dreamed of. Yeah, I think I'll I think

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Speaker 1: I'll stop here. Thank you for listening to this episode,

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Speaker 1: and we'll be back in a couple of weeks with

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Speaker 1: the new season. Love you, big love, I must say,