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Speaker 1: What is Up?

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Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Mets Podcast,

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Speaker 2: the most whatever series ever I think that I can

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Speaker 2: remember in recent memory. Played the White Sox. They won

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Speaker 2: two games and they lost one. End every single game

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Speaker 2: was pretty insignificant, pretty boring, really not a whole lot

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Speaker 2: to talk about. I think we're gonna dedicate ten minutes

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Speaker 2: of this episode to talking about the games because there's

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Speaker 2: kind of nothing to talk about besides like, hey played

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Speaker 2: the White Sox. This happened, this happened. We'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that for about ten minutes. We have some David Stearns

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Speaker 2: quotes that he said as well, and then we're gonna

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Speaker 2: deep dive into the Mets hitting problems or quotation marks

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Speaker 2: hitting problems. There's some interesting stuff that we've gone in

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Speaker 2: dug up and trying to figure out. And we're just

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Speaker 2: trying to make Eric shav this escapegoat. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: We're trying to get something going because it doesn't make

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Speaker 2: any sense when you're watching this team how at times

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Speaker 2: they hit, at times they don't. It's always as a team,

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Speaker 2: they either struggle or they succeed. So we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: all that in today's episode. Make sure you are following

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Speaker 1: For real.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tweet it out literally by the time you

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Speaker 1: You will be able to have a chance at winning this.

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Speaker 2: We'll announce the winner live on the episode at the

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Speaker 2: end of the week, so whichever one after the Rocky

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Speaker 2: make sure you're following us retweeting all that good stuff,

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Speaker 2: follow the rules on the tweet. Shout out auction of

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Speaker 2: champions for the Howard Johnson jersey. Hope we can get

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Speaker 2: it to someone who deserves it.

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Speaker 1: That'd be great.

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Speaker 2: Now, James, how are you feeling after watching this this series?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, baseball tired. I don't know, like every single game

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Speaker 1: based on the fact that it started like on the

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Speaker 1: Monday from Memorial Day and then it kind of drifted

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Speaker 1: into Tuesday the next game, and then the Wednesday game

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Speaker 1: got pushed from seven pm to one pm to avoid

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Speaker 1: the rain. In New York. Every single game felt like

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Speaker 1: is this really happening right now, especially because they were

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Speaker 1: just kind of boring baseball games in general, and Me's

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Speaker 1: got blown out from kind of feels like the first

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Speaker 1: time all year on Wednesday, as well as the most

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Speaker 1: runs they allowed any game this year with nine. It

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Speaker 1: was the first game that I watched where I was like,

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Speaker 1: the Mets absolutely from the middle of this game on

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Speaker 1: have a literal zero point zero zero chance to win,

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Speaker 1: where we haven't really felt like that much this season.

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Speaker 1: A Miami Monday's game three sack flies to good kind

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Speaker 1: of for all three runs in the game and into

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Speaker 1: Tuesday's game and offensive explosion in the first in and

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Speaker 1: you're like, nice, hell yeah, popped the lid off and

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Speaker 1: then just nothing happened basically the rest and you wind

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Speaker 1: up having to hang out for dear life in the game.

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Speaker 1: You really shouldn't have had to do.

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Speaker 2: That for Yeah, Adrian Hawser had his revenge game, because

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Speaker 2: of course he did, and he was throwing ninety seven, Like,

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Speaker 2: get the fuck out of here, Adrian Howser, you were

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Speaker 2: so so horrible for us last year, and for him

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Speaker 2: to come in and do that is very poetic. It

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Speaker 2: is exactly what you would expect to happen when the

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Speaker 2: Mets faced some one that was dog shit for them

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Speaker 2: and then goes to a really bad team. Luckily, we

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Speaker 2: did get a win there because again, didn't deserve to

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Speaker 2: didn't hit at all. We'll talk about the hitting problems

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Speaker 2: again game two. It really did feel like they were

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Speaker 2: gonna like finally wake up a little bit. I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you one thing. Jared Young a little bit of a ballplayer.

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Speaker 2: I like his swings a lot. I like his approach

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Speaker 2: a lot. I don't know what his role is gonna

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Speaker 2: now is like that left handed DH spot in this lineup.

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Speaker 2: I like the at bats and I like the quality

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jared Young is someone that we actually shouted out

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Speaker 1: in the offseason as someone that like half tongue in

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Speaker 1: which is more than we can say for a lot

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Speaker 1: it's nice to see him hit the ball and hit

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Speaker 1: was doing a triple A. He did it for a

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Speaker 1: brief time with the Cubs a few years ago. He

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of interesting to see if he can

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Speaker 1: because I do like having that left handed thump off

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Speaker 1: Winker went down. But that's that's something that's fun. Also,

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Speaker 1: just before we breeze breeze breeze past Monday a Tyrone Taylor,

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Speaker 1: thank god for him for starting that rally and actually

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Speaker 1: hitting the doubles to score the winning run and gets

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Speaker 2: Did you hear the SoundBite of how Lindor called Tyrone

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Speaker 2: Taylor to his hotel room to help him fix something

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Speaker 2: with his swing, And since then Tyrone Taylor has been

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Speaker 2: like scalding hot. Really Yeah, apparently Lindor saw something, told

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Speaker 2: him about it, he fixed it, and he's been hitting

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Speaker 2: the ball a lot better, which is nice to see.

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Speaker 2: Kind of builds into what we're gonna talk about a

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Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, maybe called Southern went to your host ever

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Speaker 1: rom fix his swing something. But also like Clay, was

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Speaker 1: kind of just go through Jose Budau kept it close,

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Speaker 1: coming into a basis loaded jam after Holmes might have

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Speaker 1: but Boodo came in. Now he's still better, but still

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Speaker 1: not good. I don't know that we're getting to a

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Speaker 1: You think that because Paul Blackburn coming back, I mean

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, definitely getting tight. I mean they might just

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Speaker 2: send down McGill. It's not like he pitched well in

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Speaker 2: Game two.

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Speaker 1: Nope, they want six starting pitchers. They said for this

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Speaker 1: road trip they want to do a six man rotation.

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Speaker 1: Next week, We're gonna send down Brandon Wadell because I mean,

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Speaker 1: shout out Brandon Wadell ninety four pitches out of the

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Speaker 1: But he's going down. I'm sure reliever comes up briefly,

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Speaker 1: but there are penciling and Blackburn to come back and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at the guys with options right now.

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Speaker 2: Like Waddell obviously is going down, Krannon could be a

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Speaker 2: that if they use him in like long relief and

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Speaker 2: then send him down for a week or so Braslbaun

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a weird, weird bullpen thing. You might

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Speaker 2: I don't think they should because he looks all right,

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Speaker 2: but maybe that's the Jose Castillo DFA.

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Speaker 1: But then we have no lefties. Yeah, because also we

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Speaker 1: cut hen Insus Cabrera last week the DFA, so I

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Speaker 1: guess he's going through waivers. I'm not sure if anybody's

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Speaker 1: guys listen, Danielle is still down there too, maybe he

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Speaker 1: pretty taxed right now. Now we're going on. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: play ten games in ten days, with four of them

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Speaker 1: coming against the Dodgers and three of them coming in

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Speaker 1: course fields, which is a little unfortunate, but it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be some good manicuring this comes back. And now talking

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Speaker 1: about Tuesday a little bit again, we're not gonna talk

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Speaker 1: the first editing and gets Jonathan Cannon. It really doesn't

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Speaker 1: the first inding. That pissed me off tremendously. But even

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Speaker 1: to spend a lot of time on that. For Tyler

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Speaker 1: McGill to beat in the situation he was in entering

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Speaker 1: that sixth ending with about seventy five pitches and a

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Speaker 1: three run lead on the Chicago White Sox and to

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Speaker 1: just miss and miss and miss and miss, especially on

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Speaker 1: his slider, which was a pitch that was actually hitting

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Speaker 1: his fastballs in the right spot. The changeup was floating

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Speaker 1: again curveballs that were just he wasn't getting on top

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Speaker 1: point like can you throw some strike? Someone was in

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Speaker 1: my Twitter Mensons talking about like this McGill think keeps

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Speaker 1: happening and happening and happening every single time. He always

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Speaker 1: gets deeper into these games and then the strike throwing

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Speaker 1: a conditioning thing with Tyler McGill where maybe he does.

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Speaker 1: We've always alluded to the adrenaline thing with Tyler and

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Speaker 1: McGill early in seasons, which is how this weird April

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Speaker 1: versus May Tyler McGill narrative has kind of sprouted out

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Speaker 1: from is there something that he's not repeating his gets

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Speaker 1: with Like why when he gets to that seventy eighty

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Speaker 1: is it mental? Is it physical? It's almost too deep

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Speaker 1: in this for this to continue to be mental, Like

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Speaker 1: I'm almost trying to drift back to it being physical.

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Speaker 2: Like does he have a vitamin deficiency? Like how is heatrition?

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Speaker 2: Is he dehydrates now drinking off waters he's not stretched,

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Speaker 2: Like it's so so, so, so frustrating to watch him

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Speaker 2: pitch again. We thought the texts were legit, and the

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Speaker 2: texts are so back in the worst way possible. He's

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Speaker 2: just making it annoying.

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Speaker 1: To watch right now.

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Speaker 2: He's a very frustrating pitcher to watch go out on

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Speaker 2: the mound and struggle to get through six innings against

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I listened to the end of the

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Speaker 1: Maybe change luck a little bit. Didn't change luck at all.

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Speaker 1: It made it look a little bit worse. Actually. The White

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Speaker 1: this was just one of those fifty games that you're

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's true. I mean the best teams in

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Speaker 2: If you lose sixty out of one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: One of the all time greats. It was great father

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Speaker 2: No, it definitely had a little extra juice, for sure,

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Speaker 2: But again, this all comes down to which is what's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the you know anti Eric Chavs stuff, the Mets

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Speaker 1: You can't really put your finger on it. Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the team overall, because then I think

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Speaker 2: I definitely could be wrong. It's very possible. But this

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Speaker 2: is what I feel is good and bad. So on

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Speaker 2: the good, the fourth and average batspeed in Major League

437
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Speaker 2: Baseball good. We clapped for those things. Yes, the team

438
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Speaker 2: is swinging the bat hard.

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Speaker 1: Love to see that.

440
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Speaker 2: Is that being carried by Pete Alonzo and Wan Soto

441
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Speaker 2: for sure, but Brett Baby and Brett Baity. But overall

442
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Speaker 2: fourth and bat speed, that's amazing. You swing the bat hard.

443
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Speaker 2: When you hit the ball, it's gonna get hit hard.

444
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Speaker 2: Love that their third in ideal attack angle. Ideal attack

445
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Speaker 2: angle is anything from five to twenty degrees. That's when

446
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Speaker 2: the bat makes contact with the baseball, when it's going

447
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Speaker 2: through the zone. What is the attack angle. The higher

448
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Speaker 2: it is, the more loft you're gonna get. You guys

449
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Speaker 2: kind of understand how that works. They're third in that

450
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Speaker 2: fifty four point five percent of the Mets swings are

451
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Speaker 2: an ideal attack angle, and then twelfth in distance off

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Speaker 2: the plate. I don't necessarily know if that is good,

453
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Speaker 2: but it was just a fun fact where it's like, Okay,

454
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Speaker 2: the Mets are just yeah, how far they're standing off

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Speaker 2: the plate. I'm just putting that as like a they're

456
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Speaker 2: not jamming themselves type thing.

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Speaker 1: They're not. They're not extreamn either way. That to me

458
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Speaker 1: is like a measure of how long your team your

459
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Speaker 1: your team's arms are compared to the rest of the league.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's when you look at like INDI jewel players.

461
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Speaker 2: There are some guys who are just on top of

462
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Speaker 2: the plate that are massive. There are some guys that

463
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Speaker 2: are tiny and stand off the plate. All this tells

464
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Speaker 2: me is that they're not doing anything extreme there, so

465
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Speaker 2: we can throw that out the window.

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Speaker 1: That's good. I love that.

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Speaker 2: I don't want extremes in that the bad twenty second

468
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Speaker 2: in swing path tilt. So what this is is basically

469
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Speaker 2: how much loft you're getting on every single swing. Every

470
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Speaker 2: swing in Major League baseball is an uppercut. When people

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Speaker 2: are like, oh, the uppercut, it's so bad, every single

472
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Speaker 2: baseball swing ever in the entire history of the game

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Speaker 2: has been uppercut. It's physically impossible to hit the baseball

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Speaker 2: well and not uppercut.

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Speaker 1: Thirty two degrees.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's really close, but that Mets are twenty second there

477
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Speaker 2: and all the teams below them in that range. Bad

478
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Speaker 2: offensive teams for the most part, don't hit the ball well.

479
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Speaker 2: They're twenty third in attack angle. This one, to me

480
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Speaker 2: is a little more serious in that they're nine degrees.

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Speaker 2: They're not getting as much loft on the attack as

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Speaker 2: everybody else. So when you look at the teams that

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Speaker 2: hit the most home runs, typically they have a higher

484
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Speaker 2: attack angle. It's two three degrees different. It's not the vegess,

485
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Speaker 2: but just again conceptualize what the Mets are doing. They're

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Speaker 2: swinging less of a degree up than everybody else. This

487
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Speaker 2: is the worst one. This is where it gets really

488
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Speaker 2: really bad, and this is something that I can't wrap

489
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Speaker 2: my head around thirtieth in attack direction, So this is

490
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Speaker 2: the horizontal direction the bat is facing when the ball

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Speaker 2: is making contact with it. Mets are dead last, and

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Speaker 2: they technically still do have a one degree pull attack direction,

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Speaker 2: but everybody else is significantly more. The Mets are one

494
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Speaker 2: degree where teams are eight nine six seven. The Mets

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Speaker 2: are just kind of one of only one of three

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Speaker 2: teams with positive degrees opposite field, so they are more

497
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Speaker 2: than likely as a team the attack angle is going

498
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Speaker 2: to be towards opposite field.

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Speaker 1: Hate that.

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Speaker 2: Don't love that. Not a big fan of that. Want

501
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Speaker 2: to see them pull the ball a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: Interception point, they're two deep twenty second. They hit the

503
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Speaker 2: ball one point five inches in front of the plate.

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Speaker 2: As a team, most teams are a lot higher than that.

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Speaker 2: The Mets are towards the back. They're thirtieth in batter

506
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Speaker 2: center of mass twenty seven points six inches, and.

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Speaker 1: There's set point compared to batter center of mess, yes exactly.

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Speaker 2: And they're twenty fifth in depth in the box at

509
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Speaker 2: twenty six point one, which means they're furthest up in

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Speaker 2: the box. They're the fifth team furthest up in the box,

511
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Speaker 2: which doesn't make any sense to me, because the Mets

512
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Speaker 2: want the ball to get deeper than most teams.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I means they're standing as close to the pitcher

514
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Speaker 1: as more so in the team in the league and

515
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Speaker 1: full team context, and we talked about the full team

516
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Speaker 1: context stats last episode in relation to some of these

517
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Speaker 1: stats before we dove deep, and it is probably not

518
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Speaker 1: the best analysis to go full team, but this is

519
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Speaker 1: good to see where we rank relative to most teams

520
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Speaker 1: because there probably is some type of relative underlying approach

521
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Speaker 1: methodology philosophy with teams. So we like doing the stuff

522
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Speaker 1: at the top end. We're gonna get more granul in

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Speaker 1: a second. But that last one is very weird to me. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I would never ever have imagined the Mets being the

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Speaker 1: furthest up in the box as a team on average

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Speaker 1: compared to every team in the league.

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Speaker 2: Twenty fifth twenty fifth twenty fifth Okay, yeah, now versus

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Speaker 2: the batter center of mass are the worst. Yes, but

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Speaker 2: again but while they're standing further up in the box.

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Speaker 1: First point, that's something doesn't make any sense because especially

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Speaker 1: when you look at the Mets actual batted ball day

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Speaker 1: this year, they still happen to be right in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the pack in terms of hitting the ball

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Speaker 1: to the opposite field, which I'm surprised about. I figure

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Speaker 1: they'd be a much more APO heavy team. They're about

536
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Speaker 1: twelve in that. But in terms of their pole rate, they

537
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Speaker 1: are one of the lowest in the league. They're about

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Speaker 1: six lowest. The only teams the worst pole rate than

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Speaker 1: the Mets are the Marlins, the Brewers, Padres, Giants, Blue Jays,

540
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Speaker 1: Nationals than the Mets.

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you, if you say the Padres, there's

542
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Speaker 2: like three good hitters in that lineup. The rest of

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Speaker 2: them are pretty horrible players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again this is all top level, full team stuff,

545
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Speaker 1: but it is kind of easy to see where this

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Speaker 1: stuff is born out the fact that it does feel

547
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Speaker 1: like the Mets aren't getting the full school the juice

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Speaker 1: from the squeeze of their quality of contact, because it

549
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Speaker 1: does feel like very often we're hitting the ball hard,

550
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Speaker 1: we are very often hitting the ball in the air,

551
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Speaker 1: but for some reason, there's something that happens between that

552
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Speaker 1: contact point and the ball hitting the outfield grass that

553
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Speaker 1: we're not really getting the most out of.

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Speaker 2: And I think one of the reasons why is when

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Speaker 2: people talk about the Mets runners the scoring position, they

565
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Speaker 2: talk about Sodo not swinging the bat. They talk about

566
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Speaker 2: this and that I wanted to see, especially from watching

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Speaker 2: the games. Mets run value by player on fastballs in

568
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Speaker 2: the heart of the zone and breaking news, guys, the

569
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Speaker 2: Mets take so many fucking fastballs down the middle it's

570
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Speaker 2: absolutely insane and they do almost nothing with them. So

571
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Speaker 2: you can calculate run value on pitches in the heart

572
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Speaker 2: of the zone. You can break it down even more

573
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Speaker 2: by just fastballs, and the Mets have a bunch of

574
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Speaker 2: guys towards the bottom of the league in terms of

575
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Speaker 2: run value on fastballs in the heart of the zone,

576
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Speaker 2: which is almost unfathomable to me. Ready for this Nimo

577
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Speaker 2: negative five, Lindor negative five, Alonso negative four, Vent negative two,

578
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Speaker 2: Torens negative too, Sodo negative one. There was one player

579
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Speaker 2: with a positive Brett Baty plus two.

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Speaker 1: I mean, because this is also kind of comes into

581
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Speaker 1: a lot what we've talked about before, with a lot

582
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Speaker 1: of things that we're talking about are difficult for players

583
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Speaker 1: to succeed with letting the ball travel more. Usually want

584
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Speaker 1: to go out and get the ball out in front

585
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Speaker 1: of you. Someone like Baby that seems to be the

586
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Speaker 1: perfect approach for him, which again that's kind of the

587
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Speaker 1: irony of this. That's why he's been the guy that's

588
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Speaker 1: kind of been a driving force in his offense like

589
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Speaker 1: three weeks now, which I can't even believe I'm saying

590
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Speaker 1: that if the way the first month of the season went,

591
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Speaker 1: But that kind of is where this team is at.

592
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Speaker 1: So now, looking full team stuff, I wanted to go

593
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Speaker 1: through and look at individual players. I wanted to see

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Speaker 1: what's different with guys, especially relative to last year, even

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Speaker 1: going back to twenty twenty three. For some guys, Why

596
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Speaker 1: are somethings working, Why are some things not? I think

597
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Speaker 1: of course, I gotta start with one. So though, that's

598
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Speaker 1: the guy that I think everyone wants to hear about

599
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Speaker 1: what's different with one? So though, why wan So Tho

600
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Speaker 1: isn't able to make contact the same way he has

601
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Speaker 1: been the past. The flip side of that is that

602
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Speaker 1: he is making contact in a similar way he has in

603
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Speaker 1: the past. All of us expected SATs are amazing. It's

604
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Speaker 1: heart hit racing in the top of the league. All

605
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Speaker 1: that stuff's amazing. It's like, all that stuff's incredible. The

606
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Speaker 1: Baseball on screenshots probably going around a little bit too

607
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Speaker 1: much of these days. I really do hate that lollipop screenshot,

608
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Speaker 1: but it is it does tell you that right now,

609
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Speaker 1: want So Tho is probably getting quite unlucky based relative

610
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Speaker 1: to his quality of contact and with his stats look

611
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Speaker 1: like at the moment, but then you see something you

612
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Speaker 1: want so the words, it feels like everything left back.

613
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Speaker 1: He just hits a ground ball in between in the

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Speaker 1: triangle between the picture of the first basement and the

615
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Speaker 1: second base me like, why the fuck does this keep happening?

616
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Speaker 1: Please let this stop happening. But his pole grand ball

617
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Speaker 1: rate is basically the same that's been for the last

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Speaker 1: three years. So Okay, that's fine. Then the other thing

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Speaker 1: that happens to want Solier like he never swings, hees

620
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Speaker 1: to swing more, why is he swinging? That part is true,

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Speaker 1: I tweeted out today, Wan Solo the so far this

622
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Speaker 1: year actually does have the second lowest swing rate in

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Speaker 1: all of baseball. The only person who swings less often

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Speaker 1: than one so though is ironically Chase Myidroth, who wants

625
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Speaker 1: ironically we just played him and two because his name

626
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Speaker 1: is Chase and he doesn't swing that much. I thought

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Speaker 1: that was kind of funny, some A pointed out, and

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Speaker 1: the replies to that tweet, and then the other guys

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Speaker 1: on that list are kind of some guys you'd expect,

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Speaker 1: and some guys I think are kind of funny and shocking.

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Speaker 1: Where it's Chase Madroth, want so Though, Jonah Bride, Alex Call,

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Speaker 1: Will Smith, Alex Verdugo, Marcello's doing a Kyle Schwarber, Mookie Bets,

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Speaker 1: Trent Grisham Grisham Bets. Those are guys schwarp but those

634
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Speaker 1: guys are famous for the low swing rates. Then you

635
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Speaker 1: have guys on there, like you know, my Draw, Bride

636
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Speaker 1: Call or do Go, guys who just don't have a

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Speaker 1: lot of power. Usually, if you don't have a lot

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Speaker 1: of power, it behooves you to swing less often because

639
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Speaker 1: you can work deeper counts, you can find other ways

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Speaker 1: to help your team. My draft is amazing that I

641
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Speaker 1: was impressed with him. Watch Ball BLA series. Guys are

642
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Speaker 1: fucking pest like, he's all over the place. I just

643
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Speaker 1: picked him up in our Chaos league because his his

644
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Speaker 1: pitches per played appearance is one of the highest the league.

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Speaker 1: Right now, that was a big move by me. But

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Speaker 1: it's so you see that, you're like, all right, it's weird,

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Speaker 1: and I guess it's bad, but it's not different than

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Speaker 1: what he's done his entire career. He's got thirty four

649
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: percent swing right right now, less here was like thirty six.

650
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: It's a pretty nominal difference right there in terms of

651
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: the swing rate. But then you look at a little

652
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 1: bit deeper and the thing that's down more than the

653
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: actual swing rate is his zone swing rate, which echoes

654
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: what you're talking about about the fastballs, especially now when

655
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: you times out with the fact that he's actually seeing

656
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: more pitches in the hardest zone this season.

657
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: Well one this is another thing too, is that like

658
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: when looking at Wan Soto's again run value on just

659
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 2: straight up pitches in the heart of the zone. He

660
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 2: has the worst on the Mets, minus seven. Now, part

661
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 2: of that is probably because he's not swinging as much

662
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: of pitches in the heart of the zone. Like you

663
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: mentioned with the zone swing work, So there's a bunch

664
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 2: of pitches going in the heart of the zone, he's

665
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 2: not swinging at them, which gives them negative run value.

666
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Speaker 2: Last year with the Yankees, I hate to bring this

667
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: one up here, but last year with the Yankees, on

668
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: pitches in the heart of the zone, he had a

669
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: ten run value. This year he has negative seven. That

670
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: is a seventeen run difference between Wan Soda this year

671
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: and last year. On pitches in the heart of the

672
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 2: zone he had fourteen runs value last year on four

673
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: seen fastballs in the heart of the zone.

674
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Speaker 1: He's just not and maybe this is part of the.

675
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: Comfortability of just adjusting and whatever it is being mental

676
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: right now. It's a lot of mental stuff with him,

677
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: is what we've kind of broke this down to with

678
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: Wan Soto. But he is not addressing the pitches properly

679
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: that he should be hitting at right now.

680
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: And also, just to clarify for you guys as well,

681
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: if it's the first time you're hearing about the stat

682
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: like run value. Run value is a cmotive stat. Run

683
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: value adds up or decreases as you go through the season,

684
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: something like RBI's or run scored, where it's like you'll

685
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: to have that low of a run value this earlier

686
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: season that means you're doing very bad spot where something

687
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: like ten last year makes sense for players who are

688
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: some of the best players in the league. You'll see

689
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: the really good hitters accumulate that much run value in

690
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 1: a season. So then the one thing that comes back

691
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: to so though that might not be mental, might be

692
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: a little bit physical, is the bat speed.

693
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: Thing.

694
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: We've seen the batspeed going around with soa you know,

695
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: Sarah's talk about it on Bowl Territory. We've mentioned in

696
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: the last few episodes. And the problem is Solo is

697
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: he's not getting that same peak consistent batspis had the

698
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: last few years where it was just many much more

699
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: consistency in high speed swings, where this year it's a

700
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: little bit more lumpy. It's a little bit more of

701
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: some shorter swing, some harder swings, but not getting that

702
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: peak consistency at the same way. And a big reason

703
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: that bat speed's down in general and that's happening, is

704
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: that his swing is shorter than last year. It's about

705
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: three or four inches shorter than last season, because it

706
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: was seven point three last year. Now it's a seven

707
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: point six last year, no seve point three last year,

708
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: and that seven point zero this year. And the reason

709
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: that a shorter swing will decrease your bad speed because

710
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: the batsbie is measured at your point of contact, So

711
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: if you have more time to come through the zone,

712
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: your bat is faster. So those couple of inches right

713
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: there where he's making contact deeper in the box, which

714
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: we've mentioned about a couple of inches in the box

715
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: now or passed the front of the plate, less time

716
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: to build up that swing is driving his bat speed down,

717
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: and that's why he's not accessing that same high level

718
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: power that we're seeing where that ball, Like on Saturday

719
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: against the Dodgers, he smokes the ball in the middle

720
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: of the plate. It probably should have been ten or

721
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: fifteen rows back. It was a sixty five mile in

722
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: narrow swing rather than something like a seventy five, seventy eight,

723
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: seventy nine eighty mile hour swing. It clanks off the wall,

724
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: and that's what happens. But also it's funny that right

725
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: now he has the same intercept point that he had

726
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, but with a shorter swing. So

727
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: this tells me it comes down to a combination of

728
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: mechanics and mentals with want Soda, because something that was

729
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: a big deal for him. Heading into last year, people

730
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: were like, is Wan Soda going to be able to

731
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: properly utilize the benefits that Yankee Stadium can give him

732
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: by pulling his fly balls because Wan Solo notoriously never

733
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: really pulled his fly balls for as much power as

734
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: he accessed in game because that much of a freak,

735
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: and a big reason he never did that was because

736
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: he had the long swing and the deep intercet point.

737
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: That was something that he's able to marry something like

738
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: bred Bady's doing right now, but almost no other player

739
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: in baseball can do. And that's what made him special.

740
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: And last year he had by far the highest pull

741
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: sly ball rate of his career, is up over nineteen percent.

742
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: Before that, thirteen percent was the highest in his career.

743
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: This year's down to eleven percent, which is the same

744
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 1: as it wasn't twenty twenty three. So this to me

745
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: seems like a lot of mechanical push and pull that's

746
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: leading to frustration where he can't find the swing mechanics

747
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: that he used to have because things he probably changed

748
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: last year and is trying to work through them out now.

749
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: Maybe he should just go back to the swing from

750
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: last year and just try to pull the fly balls again.

751
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: Like there probably is something that's going on, and it

752
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: does seem to be affecting him mentally because that is

753
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: something that he can't really pull himself out of it

754
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: right now. He hasn't his worst slump of the season,

755
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: going seven for his last fifty eight, but the quality

756
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: of contacts objectively good. It's it's all that to say,

757
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: it's very strange, and it does seem like there's a

758
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: couple teen tiny little tweaks inside of this that can

759
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: possibly unlock him. I don't know when or where those

760
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: come from.

761
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you add leverage into the scenario, by

762
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 2: the way, here too, because that's one thing you can

763
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: do as well, contextualize leverage on pictures in the heart

764
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 2: of the zone. You can add another negative five to

765
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: what his run value is. I'm pitches in the heart

766
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: of zone negative twelve when leverage is contextualized. So that

767
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: all this tells me with Juan Soto is he's gotta

768
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: fucking relax, go back to playing baseball the way you

769
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: have like.

770
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: It seems like he's trying.

771
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: And this probably has to do with the contract and

772
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: the new team and the added pressures of that coming

773
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: along with it, and all the nonsense that comes with

774
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: being the highest paid athlete ever in sports history. It

775
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: seems like he's just not playing baseball the way he

776
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: is used to. It seems like he's not playing baseball

777
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: the way he's comfortable. Everything tells me there's so much indecision,

778
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: which is something that Jan Soto really never had before

779
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: in his career.

780
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: He's never been an indecisive player.

781
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: He's always been patient, but that should not be confused

782
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: with indecisiveness, which is what it feels like right now.

783
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: Also, his shoulder is flying out like crazy, yeah, and

784
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: that's why he's not getting to the same power in

785
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: the outside to drive that ball at the ops the

786
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: field like he always has. And that's also why he

787
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: continues get jammed. I feel like on pitches on the inside,

788
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: it's just not. It comes back to mechanics with him,

789
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: which is funny. They guy like want soa struggling with

790
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: his mechanics that much. Also, there is a reason that

791
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: we do like to use run value for saddin situations

792
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: like this because it takes both of your swings and

793
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,719
Speaker 1: if you and your takes into account, where if you're

794
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: taking a pitch in the middle, in the middle of

795
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: the play, you're doing yourself a disservice. That's a hittable

796
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: pitch that you've taken. That's why we like doing that.

797
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: I want to move on talking about pe Alonzo now

798
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: go for because Pete is the guy that is playing well.

799
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: His stats are amazing this year. He has dipped across,

800
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: of course from being god mode for the first few

801
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: weeks of the season month of the season, but he has

802
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: still been for sure the most productive hitter on this

803
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: team and from the season. And the ironic thing about

804
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: talking about Pete and talking about so we're going to

805
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: talk about Lindor Nimo Viento's after this all the same

806
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: shit that we're talking about happened to Pete last year,

807
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: where last year's swing got a little bit shorter, his

808
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: bat speed went down a little bit, he was letting

809
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: the ball travel a few more inches deeper than he

810
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: ever had in his career. But also at the same time,

811
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: Pete is one of the few guys on this team

812
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: who consistently hits the ball out in front and just

813
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: to for lack of a better term, smacks the shit

814
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: out of it. So then somehow this year he shortened

815
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: the swing again was actually generating more bat speed, which

816
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: which to me, just seeing that raw data, that feels

817
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: like a medical marvel. It seems to me like there's

818
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: something that's happened to p Alonza that's really kind of indescribable.

819
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: The second and he has a much higher rate of

820
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: swings over eighty miles an hour than did last year,

821
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: which is even past the fast swing rate that's like

822
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: the god mode swing rate. But I think you've figured

823
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: out some more stuff on this while we were prepping

824
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: for this, right, Yeah. So there we joked last episode

825
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: or two episodes ago, how we'd be completely out on

826
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: Eric Chavas if we found out Pete had outside hitting

827
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: help this offseason.

828
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: And shout out to who sent you the DM on Instagram,

829
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: James Just Kevin shout out, Kevin, shout out Kevin. He

830
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: sent this to DM and he's like, I found a

831
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: video where Pete Lonzo has gotten outside hitting coach.

832
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how we found it.

833
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: It's on this channel called Creative Juice that has thirty

834
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: five subscribers. The video is unbelievably highly produced, for eight

835
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: hundred views over a month. I don't know how this

836
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: video exists. I don't know why it was made. Diesel

837
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: optimizations like where Pete, Bader, Manaia a bunch of guys

838
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: were working out this offseason, which is also funny because

839
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: Pete and Bader were the Diesel brothers I believe at Florida,

840
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: so that's a weird connection there too.

841
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: But Pete probably one of their friends or teammates are something.

842
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: Honestly, it probably is Pete's been working with someone in

843
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: the off season, and that's not out of the norm.

844
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: Players do their own thing, but one thing that not

845
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: all players do is make tweaks their swings in the offseason.

846
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: And one of the things that they were really really

847
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: highlighting in this video about Pete is the biomechanical work,

848
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: and one how they were like, Pete is a marvel

849
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: at the plate. It doesn't really make sense how quickly

850
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: he can get his hands through the zone and still

851
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: hit the ball out in front like he does. They

852
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 2: were breaking it down. They're using the pressureized plates. They

853
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: were talking about how normally this is something that people

854
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: would need to work on, like they'd have to focus

855
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: on these areas for six weeks every single day, taking

856
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: hundreds of swings.

857
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: Pete just does it naturally. It's bizarre.

858
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: But they were working on different things with his trigger,

859
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: with his lower half, with his arms, this and that,

860
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: and they were like, overall, they made some adjustments to

861
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: his swing. They saw some things that they didn't necessarily

862
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: like last year. They wanted him to get back to

863
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: the hit or that he was swing the bad heart.

864
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: You swing the bad heart, you're gonna have good things happen.

865
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: And what do you know, Pete swinging the bad heart

866
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: and good things are happening.

867
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: And at the same time he still imagine it, get

868
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: the ball out in front of pitch recognition is much better.

869
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: He's the guy that's kind of like the saving grace

870
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: for this team. So that is that was a bit

871
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: of a damning thing that we fend out. And again,

872
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: it's not abnormal for players to seek help outside the organization.

873
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: For a guy like Pete who just had his worst

874
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: year of his career, seemingly listening to the team that

875
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: he's been with for a very long time, it probably

876
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: is a bit telling that now he's gone externally and

877
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: hit his stride. Now I want to move on to

878
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: the next guy. This is shockingly when I went through

879
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: his research, the guy I have left this being the

880
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: most concerned about. And I'm not happy about that, and

881
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: I can't believe why. But actually this is franciscoland Door.

882
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: Real Ciscolandor is the guy whose batsbyting this team is

883
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: down significantly from last year, where last year his batsby

884
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: went up from twenty twenty three and he got to

885
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: more power in game. I mean, we just put the

886
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: things he did in the second half last year at

887
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: the plate where mesmerizing was incredible. But to see that

888
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: little leg down up down, that to me says that

889
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: there could be some I mean, I'm sure he trains it.

890
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure Franciscoldor trains his batsby for both sides of plate.

891
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: But as someone who's now thirty one years old, it's

892
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: not abnormal for that just are to go down. You

893
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: can start to see less bat speed. That makes sense.

894
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: You're less physically apt than you were when you were

895
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: in your mid twenties, and you're probably you're exiting the

896
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: prime of your career. And I think that scares me

897
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: the most about Lindor is that this bat speed has

898
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: gone down, especially from his right side, and it's gone

899
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: down mostly in the fact of he's he's not hitting

900
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: his peak as much. He swings over eighty one eighty

901
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: two miles an hour, but it's the consistency of his

902
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: swings are way down. There's this it's still a small

903
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: sample of swings from the right side this year, but

904
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: it's just it's kind of become all over the place

905
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: in his his swing, his bat speed distribution from the

906
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: right side, and that's not something that's great. That to

907
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: me also tells me something that could definitely be kicked out,

908
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: worked out with a small sample. But that to me

909
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: just feels like the indecision that we're talking about. That

910
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: to me feels like some pitch recognition issues, which has

911
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: never been physical, never been something he's bad at, also

912
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: never something he's great at. The swing is also from

913
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: both sides. It's shorter and it's a lot slower it's

914
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: a little shorter and a lot slower, So that just

915
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: to me feels like make a little shorter, try to

916
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: combat aging, but then being a lot slower, you're not.

917
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: It's slow than to shorteness should be making it right now.

918
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: And I wonder if this comes back to a team

919
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: organizational thought that we saw Pete have a little bit

920
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: last year, that the over valuing of not swinging and missing,

921
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: the overvaluing of putting the ball in play. And maybe

922
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: we're wrong in saying that this is being overvalued by

923
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: this team. We could be definitely wrong here, but you

924
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: mentioned lindor swing speed down. We heard Vinnie Pasquentino on

925
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: our MLB Network talk with Mark Droz about swing speed

926
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: and how he's a guy who gets very caught in

927
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: between because he knows the benefits of when he swings

928
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: the bat harder and he can see when he makes

929
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: the contact he's hitting the ball better, but the bats

930
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 2: in the zone less, and it causes him to swing

931
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 2: and miss a lot more. And baseball's a long season,

932
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: and when you swing and miss that much sometimes mentally

933
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: that fucks with you too. We look at Lindor's wiff

934
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: rates this year on every single pitch, they're way down. Positively,

935
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 2: like he's whiffing seventeen percent of the time against fastballs.

936
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: It was twenty percent last year. Against off speed it

937
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 2: was twenty four last year. This year at seventeen percent. Again,

938
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: smaller samples, but maybe there's a conscious effort as an

939
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 2: organization part of the reason why maybe the bats speeds

940
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 2: are down for guys like Soto and Lindor to cut

941
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 2: down on the swing and miss because they want to

942
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: put the ball in play more. And Lindor is hitting

943
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: way more grounders this year, the most ground balls he's

944
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: hit in his entire career. Forty seven percent of the

945
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: balls that he's putting in play are ground balls. He's

946
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 2: hitting the ball way less than the air fifty three percent.

947
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: That is, i also believe, the lowest of his career

948
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: since twenty sixteen. There there is this weird thing going on,

949
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: and it does kind of build into the shorter swing.

950
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: You're not gonna hit the ball in the air as much.

951
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: When you have the shorter swing, that's gonna affect your

952
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: attack angle. That's gonna affect your attack ideal tilt that's

953
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: going on because your swing is shorter, So there's not

954
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: gonna be as much tilt. These are all little things

955
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: that maybe don't matter as much as we're making it

956
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: out to seem. But I do think it's interesting to

957
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: note that there are some changes going on with guys

958
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: after they had some great years.

959
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: It's going twenty four. Yeah, But the one change that

960
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: didn't happen with Lindor this year is that, similar to Pete,

961
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: he brought his intercept point his contact point deeper from

962
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: two years ago compared to last season, but then he

963
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: was able to marry it which was still well above

964
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: average bat speed or at least not well about fairly

965
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: above average batspeed last season, especially from the right side

966
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: where he's kind of always been famous for taking his

967
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: daddy hacks on the right side. Lasberg, Francisco, Indor just

968
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: tease off. So it was disappointing, frustrating to see that,

969
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: because again, when you see that married with the age,

970
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: that's where the fear comes in. That's why there's so

971
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: much less fear about a guy like Jansola right now

972
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: that just seems more mechanical than physical.

973
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm there's no way for us to know. I

974
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: really do think it's not an age thing right now

975
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: with him. I think this is a cut down on

976
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: the swing and miss, just because the rates have dropped

977
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: so much that it feels like that's a conscious ever,

978
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: especially maybe him being a leadoff guy, He's like, I

979
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: gotta put the ball in play so I can get

980
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: on base.

981
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: And weirdly enough, he is having the.

982
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: Best start of the season I've ever seen as a

983
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: Mets player. So that's where this is also very confusing too,

984
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: because he's not playing bad by any means.

985
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 1: That's the other part too, Like maybe as this season

986
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: goes on again, like I said, the small sample kind

987
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: of irons out and the batsbyed bounces back, Like I'm

988
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: sure if we parse this out for the last eight

989
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: it might not look that different. Maybe it does, Maybe

990
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't. We could do that where maybe future episode

991
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: figured out me. I'll put that in sweet later this week.

992
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: But another guy who does seem like has very much

993
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: traded lots of power for marginally more contact. Another guy

994
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: where it should be terrified about right now, it's Mark Vento's. Yes,

995
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: there's just there's nothing there anymore. The power is gone.

996
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: He's not pulling the balls frequently. I like using a

997
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: ninetyeighth PERCENTILEGS of vlasity Baseball savon Stars showing it. Also

998
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: shout out Robert or at Baseball Perspectus his shiny app

999
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: that tracks Seeger, which is his swing decision metric tracks

1000
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: as well where it takes your nineties. We talked about

1001
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: maxx vlosi in the show a lot, which is the

1002
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: hardest you've ever hit the baseball, the single hardest you've

1003
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: ever hit the baseball. That's great, it can show your

1004
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: power potential. But if you kind of lop off the

1005
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: top ten percent and you just look at the ninetieh percentile,

1006
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: so it's your consistent top end exs of velocity, not

1007
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: the hardest you've ever hit it, but a little bit

1008
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: below that where you can consistently get to ninety. That's

1009
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: something that's also a really good measure of power. It's

1010
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: more predictive and a better sample in a similar sample

1011
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 1: to average egxs vlosity by a lot. His ninety percent

1012
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: legs vlosas last years one best in the league Mark Fandos,

1013
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: there was consistent, really hard contact, more hard than most

1014
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: players in the league right now. It's below average. It's

1015
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: pretty kind of drifting well below average. It's someone that's

1016
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: not accessing anywhere close to that kind of power and

1017
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: a very bad combination of Mark Fantos, he has both

1018
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: a long and a slow swing. If you have a

1019
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: long and a slow swing, I don't know how you

1020
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: find a way to fix that, because last year was

1021
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: a long swing goes kind of a fast wing. Now

1022
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: it's not either, and now it's not fast. I'm like,

1023
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: if he's not getting bad speed, he's not pulling the ball,

1024
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: he's not hitting it hard. What's the way out of

1025
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: the words from Mark Fantos, I don't know.

1026
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: But again it goes back to this weird theoretical idea

1027
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: that the Mets are having at the plate, where it seems.

1028
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: Like they are really really really focused.

1029
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: On making sure they do not swing and miss and

1030
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: that they put the ball in play, and that just

1031
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: feels like the wrong the wrong decisions, which is why

1032
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: with runs the scoring position feels like every single time

1033
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: we're seeing weak ground balls turned for double plays.

1034
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: It's why we're seeing weak pop ups.

1035
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: Like you're not gonna juice behind these swings because it

1036
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 2: seems like they'd rather make the fielders make play rather

1037
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: than like be afraid to strike.

1038
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: Out and Gley Fantos so much with a lot of

1039
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: players in his team. He's making contact with the ball

1040
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: deeper this year and having a long and a slow swing.

1041
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: That's not going to help you produce a higher quality

1042
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: of contact.

1043
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: And again, Brett Baidy can get away with deeper because

1044
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: you free that harder than almost anybody in Major League Baseball,

1045
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: which is an insane sentence to say. But if you

1046
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: swing slow and you swing long, and you'll have to

1047
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: go ball get deeper. Like the home run he hit

1048
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: in Game three, he got absolutely fucking torched on that fastball.

1049
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: I don't know how he hit it for a home run.

1050
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: It was an up and in and he hit an

1051
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: opposite field. He's a strong guy, but he's got to

1052
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: get the ball out in front more. He's got to

1053
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: be more aggressive, He's got to be okay with swinging

1054
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: and missing. Mark Fiento's at his best. Similarly to like

1055
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: what we were screaming, yelling about all year last year

1056
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: with Pete A. Lonzo is when he is crushing baseballs,

1057
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: when he is being aggressive at the plate, trying to

1058
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: be a power hitter. Not this guy who seems to

1059
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: be caring about contact, which I fucking hate.

1060
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: Yes, especially because when you're when you're carrying trait is

1061
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: power and major good last year was in contact. It

1062
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: was power. Of course, some people are hitting in their car,

1063
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: streaming like you can't have power if he'll make contact.

1064
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: I get that, but you have to play to your

1065
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: own strengths. And it's part of this also comes back

1066
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: to the fact where it's like, are you making contact?

1067
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: Are you having a deeper intercept point because you're not

1068
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: going right, or because there's an actual methodology and you

1069
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: want that, you know what I mean. That's kind of

1070
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: the push and pull that we won't be able to

1071
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: know because we're not in these rooms. We don't know

1072
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: if this is directive or if it's accidental.

1073
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the way that I can rationalize a deeper

1074
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 2: intercept point is that the Mets prioritize getting on base.

1075
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: Take away the swings, now just an on base thing, right,

1076
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: you want to get on base? How do you identify

1077
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: pitch's best How do you see what pitch, whether it's

1078
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 2: a ball or a strike.

1079
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: You let it get deeper.

1080
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: The deeper you let it ball get, the better idea

1081
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: that you're going to know where that pitch actually is

1082
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 2: ending up in the zone.

1083
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: So maybe That's part of.

1084
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: The theorizing for why the Mets are doing this too,

1085
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: is they want to get on base more so they're

1086
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 2: trying to let the ball get deep in order to

1087
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: find out whether it's truly a strike before they swing yes.

1088
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: And again, maybe that is it because maybe from Mark

1089
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: Fanto's he thought the last thing that he had to

1090
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: get past was pitch recognition. So if I can let

1091
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: this ball get tiny bit deeper and I can know

1092
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: what's coming, I can make better swing decisions. Because Mark

1093
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: Fantos did go from last year making various swing decisions

1094
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: right now he's still making very good swing decisions. That

1095
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: was kind of the thing that helped jump them up level.

1096
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: The problem was swing and miss. It was the whiffs,

1097
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: it was missing pitches in his zone. This hasn't helped that,

1098
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: and that's the problem. Brandon was another guy of all

1099
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: the players in his group, he has the biggest change

1100
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: in his intercept point, his point of contact. It's four

1101
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: inches deeper. That's kind of a legitimate amount of like

1102
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, pause but like that's like a legitimate amount

1103
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: of space and making the ball contact big huge. But

1104
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: he's someone that was getting to the most pull side

1105
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: power of his career last year before the plantar fasciais

1106
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: kind of cropped up and I don't really know, Like

1107
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: he has this big hump in his bass bead distribution

1108
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: where for some reason there's just so many slow swings

1109
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: that probably are the thing they're pulling down his average

1110
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: bad speaks, the other guy's average bad speeds down, Sava's

1111
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: this entire roster. I don't really like it. I don't

1112
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: really know why. And we're still fourth, which is crazy, yeah,

1113
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: which was still a great bas sbeas the team, And

1114
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: we're so many times baseball game, which is kind of

1115
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: funny when you think all about all this nippicking that

1116
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: we're doing is because this is kind of the trials

1117
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: and tribulations of being a team with massive expectations. We

1118
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: do want to just reach the playoffs, like we want

1119
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: to try and go on a run. We want to

1120
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: make some fucking noise. So there are these little, tiny

1121
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: approach things that feel like they could be holding this

1122
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: team back when we really get into it. We're seeing

1123
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: it with the Knicks right now, Like you can be

1124
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: a really good team, but if you have a couple

1125
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: of tiny chicks in your armor when you face the

1126
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: really good teams, like they're gonna figure it out, like

1127
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna put Karl Anthony Townsend on island, and then

1128
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Like that's it? Like we

1129
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: want so other guess walk pitch around Pee Alonso, like now,

1130
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: how are you gonna what are you gonna do with

1131
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: this line of five through nine to actually get the

1132
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: next round of the playoffs. That's good, or even get

1133
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: to the playoff at this point because it's so very

1134
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: long season ahead of us, but that is kind of

1135
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: where we're at right now. And also the other guy

1136
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: we talked about. We talked about Franciscualveras on Sunday The

1137
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: Know from Jeffrey pattern Nostro from Baseball Perspectives and the

1138
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: For All You Kids podcast with Jeffrey Sidler. He looks

1139
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: he's just broken at the play. He's not pulling the ball,

1140
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: he's not getting the boy out in front. He's become

1141
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: a contact guy.

1142
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 2: What I put in my notes SOO is like somebody

1143
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: ruined Francisc Gualvas and I won't stand for it.

1144
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: He was a pole guy last year, in his best season.

1145
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: He was a pole guy.

1146
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: This year he's eight degrees opposite field in terms of

1147
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: his attack angle horizontally, which is so fucking stupid. And

1148
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: he also closed his stance by five degrees as well.

1149
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: He's basically straight up with the pitcher now, Like, why

1150
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: did we fix anything? I know people haven't been impressed

1151
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 2: with Alvarez in the past. Remember we hit twenty three

1152
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: homers home runs that year, Like, that's all I want

1153
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: hit twenty home runs.

1154
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: I don't really care what happens.

1155
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: He's playing great defense, He's got elite pop times this year,

1156
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: he's throwing out everybody, which is an incredible, incredible development

1157
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: in his game and his growth.

1158
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,479
Speaker 1: Why did we fuck with the hitting?

1159
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: Like he was at his best when he's taking daddy

1160
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 2: hacks looking to pull the baseball in the air.

1161
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: Now it's like I want to hit the ball on

1162
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: the ground to the opposite field. You know what else

1163
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: is frustrating about this is that when he has those

1164
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: great pop times and we're seeing that, you can see

1165
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: how twitchy is and how much of a physical specimen

1166
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: that he is, and there's like, why are we screwing

1167
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: with the other stuff? Because the bassbie is still good

1168
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: and this is really gonna piss you off, Like we've

1169
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: basically taken Francisco Alvarez and we've turned him into Gabrielle Moreno,

1170
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: one of the favorites. And it's all coming at the

1171
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: point where he's still not making more contact in like

1172
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: he's not making more contact in his own like he's

1173
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: making less in the zone. Everything has gone in a

1174
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: circle to say that, like, not all these guys are broken.

1175
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: There's a few guys that we're definitely seeing some negative

1176
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: things with, but the end of the day, and we

1177
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: are being nitpicky. We're being niitpicky because that's what we're

1178
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna do when we just ran a boring two to

1179
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: one series over the White Sox and we're playing the

1180
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: Rockies next, Like that's that's what we're going to do.

1181
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna talk about. It's not allowed father

1182
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: at the moment, but we just need to find a

1183
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: way to just fucking twist some of this shit into

1184
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: place and just try to let this lineup get to

1185
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: where we thought it was going to be. Because the

1186
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,479
Speaker 1: pitching is not gonna be the best pitching baseball season.

1187
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: We keep saying it, we keep saying, we keep saying it.

1188
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: It's not going to continue to happen. They've saved our

1189
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: asses for the first third of the season. Now it's

1190
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: sigh for the offense to be the one that saves

1191
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: our asses.

1192
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just for some more contextual stuff too. With

1193
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: the Mets approach, heard of the zone, chase rate, all

1194
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 2: that good stuff.

1195
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: Objectively speaking, they're.

1196
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: Still doing the right things at the plate, just not

1197
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: hitting the right pitches like and in the heart of

1198
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 2: the zone, like we mentioned, Like, it's unfathomable how bad

1199
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 2: the Mets are at fastball, specifically in the heart of

1200
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: the zone.

1201
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: That picture doesn't move. Wansta might be.

1202
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 2: Getting some nasty sliders from lefties, Peter Lomso might see

1203
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 2: a nasty slider from right hand like. Those are a

1204
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: little more acceptable because the balls are moving. But the

1205
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: fastballs that are straight right down the middle. The fact

1206
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 2: that we have one player right now with the positive

1207
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: run value on fastballs in the heart of the zone

1208
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: is shocking. But here's where the Mets might think that

1209
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: they're still doing the right thing is that in terms

1210
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 2: of chase zone run value, the Mets are absolutely disgustingly elite.

1211
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: There's nobody better in baseball. Wan Soto's number one in

1212
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: Major League baseball and run value and chase at plus thirteen.

1213
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 2: Pete Alonso is fourth at plus eleven, Francisco Indoors nineteenth

1214
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: at plus nine. The list goes on and on. The

1215
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 2: Mets do not chase at all, which makes us even

1216
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: more confusing because it's like, what do we swing at?

1217
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: We suck in the shadow, but that's really a tough

1218
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 2: pitch to hit. To be fair, those are pitchers pitches

1219
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: when you think about it, and the reason that the

1220
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: heart of the zone again is so important. I'm just

1221
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: gonna say this again. Ready to hear some of the

1222
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: guys who are at the top of run value and

1223
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 2: heart of the zone this year. Yes, Aaron Judge of

1224
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: course plus twenty two, Kyle Schwarber plus fourteen, say Suzuki

1225
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: plus twelve, Corbyn Carrol plus eleven, show Heo Tony plus eleven.

1226
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: There's a common denominator here. You do damage on pitcher mistakes,

1227
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: and when pitches are in the heart of the zone,

1228
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: those are mistakes you need to capitalize on. The Mets

1229
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: are simply not doing that, and that's probably the difference

1230
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: between them being where we think they should be in

1231
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: terms of offensive team and how good they are and

1232
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: run producing and where they are right now, which is

1233
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: still objectively fine, just could be better.

1234
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, twelfth in the league and run scored top ten

1235
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: ops Like, that's still a good offense. But the expectation

1236
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: was this or the hope that this would be a

1237
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: great offense. And that's kind of the last thing that's

1238
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: holding this team back from being a good team to

1239
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: being a great team. That's kind of what this whole

1240
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: thing is.

1241
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 5: Like.

1242
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: We're having this whole diatribe before the loss on Wednesday,

1243
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: the Mets won four games in a row. Yeah, of

1244
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: course they're great. Serious, don't let us be misconstrued as

1245
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: panic by us.

1246
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 2: This is one like you said, the series was so

1247
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: fucking boring, and then we got to talk about the

1248
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: Rockies for two minutes afterwards, which is like literally a nightmare.

1249
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: But also we're baseball freaks and we love like diving

1250
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: into this stuff and we've done in the past.

1251
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: You guys seem to like it.

1252
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: This to me is super interesting because you it's impossible

1253
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: to actually know what's going on in the mind unless

1254
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: you are a steam journalist. Bob Clappish apologies to him

1255
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: for coming at him. Ever, we apologize to Bob Clapish

1256
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: on this podcast, and that's the only person we apologize to.

1257
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: But this is kind of a way almost into their

1258
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: heads where you can be like, Okay, what's going on?

1259
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: A little passivity on pitches in the middle of the zone,

1260
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: but also they still are recognizing pitches, So what's happening there?

1261
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: Maybe in decision, maybe in decisiveness. There's a lot going

1262
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 2: on and it's just right now. Maybe they're not that comfortable.

1263
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: That could be the biggest thing.

1264
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm still working on getting iMedia credential. I may I

1265
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: might at some point the season. I don't know if

1266
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. Keep keeping the fingers crossed. I

1267
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: want to ask Brandimo, why what is your intercept point

1268
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: four inches back? Consciously or unconsciously like that? Do you

1269
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: know you're hitting the ball further back this year? Yeah,

1270
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: just asking these kind of nitty greeted questions because we

1271
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: can only get so far with looking at his information.

1272
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: And you guys can see how excited Marks talk about stuff.

1273
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: They actually gotten to Prepp for the episode today. It's

1274
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: like the third time ever. Okay, I can't even believe it.

1275
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: How much data. Mark actually has his own Google sheet,

1276
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: which I again can't simply can't believe it. But it

1277
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: was a it's fun to look at this stuff for

1278
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: an episode that was going to be mostly a dry

1279
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: episode because it was playing the worst of teams in

1280
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: the Lucas Fuck. But it's just it's it's an interesting

1281
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing that's happening to this Mets team

1282
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: team wide right now, where we should be one of

1283
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: the best lines in baseball and we just happen to

1284
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: be like the tenth Yeah, we do certain things unbelievably well,

1285
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: and then we do one thing that's probably the easiest

1286
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: thing in baseball to do. Hit do hit pitches down

1287
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: the middle.

1288
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: That's like the easiest thing that a hitter could ever get,

1289
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: pitch down the middle, hit it, and the Mets are like,

1290
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: not for me, not.

1291
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: Interested, So we're gonna pull the ball in this right now.

1292
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: Do you think that these problem with the Mets at

1293
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: this second is more physical or mental mental? I think

1294
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: it's all mental.

1295
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: I think that there's a weird push and pull right

1296
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 2: now with what they're trying to do, maybe what they're

1297
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 2: being told to do, maybe what the team philosophy is. Again,

1298
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: we don't know what Eric Schaba is telling them outside

1299
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: of the quotes that we get from him, which are

1300
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: few and far between. I don't even know if this

1301
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: is an Eric Schabas problem, because objectively, on paper, the

1302
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: Mets are doing things well. So as much as I'd

1303
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: love to make him the scapegoat, it's probably not his fault.

1304
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 2: But I will continue to yell and scream that it

1305
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 2: is for till my you know, until I can't scream anymore.

1306
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: It's just feels like a mental thing right now. Where

1307
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: Soto's pressing, Nimo's pressing, Viento's is pressing, even Peda times

1308
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: is pressing, and he's still having an unbelievable season. Just

1309
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: pitch recognition, being yourselves. Being loose feels like right now,

1310
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: one of the things that they were so good at

1311
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: the end of last year when they were got hot

1312
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: and we're on that unbelievable run, that team was so

1313
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: fucking loose. They were unbelievable lose. It looks like they

1314
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: were excited to come to the ballpark every day. It's

1315
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: felt like they were playing with their friends. There was

1316
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: a sense of like childhood joy of playing baseball every

1317
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 2: single day, like this is the greatest I'm not saying

1318
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: that they have a poor attitude this year. But everybody

1319
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 2: feels a little tight right now, which is crazy because

1320
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: they're playing really good.

1321
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: Still, yeah, I'm very they're playing very fine rather than

1322
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: really good. I do think that we're seeing Nimo loosen up.

1323
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: I think that changing up the batting order has helped

1324
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: some things jar a little bit loose. I think it

1325
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: helped peak it over this like two week funk be

1326
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: like I'm the four hit im four, so I'm like

1327
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: four and Nimo just being like, I'm just gonna make

1328
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: some fun contact, just spray the ball around the field.

1329
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: The home runs come, they come. It's just something to

1330
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: get the mentals going. But let's just we have a

1331
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: big series this weekend. I say that without any any

1332
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: sarcasm whatsoever, because we're playing the Colorado the Rockies. They

1333
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: are right now factually the worst team ever the history

1334
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: of baseball. They're on pace to go twenty eight and

1335
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: one forty five. I believe I had it in my

1336
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: Twitter threat the other day. I think that's that those

1337
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: those on equal one sixty two. Now I messed up

1338
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: whatever they are. They saws were the numbers. I got

1339
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: the number right now. But They're on pace to be

1340
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: the worst team ever. It's honestly a shame because they're

1341
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: on pace to not let the White Sox be the

1342
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: worst team of all time longer when that White Sox

1343
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: team deserves to be the worst team of all time

1344
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: because of how bad they were. But somehow, in just

1345
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: one year's time, the Rockies have not only matched it,

1346
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: but the exceeded it. Is it crazy to say that

1347
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: it's sat twenty seven and one forty five. They're on

1348
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: pace to go twenty seven and one forty five. Is

1349
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: it crazier to say that it's sadder for them? Because

1350
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: as much as we don't think this, I think their

1351
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: owner thinks he's actively trying to win baseball games. Oh

1352
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: we know he is. Want to shout out Jake Mint's

1353
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: Cesspas Family Barbecue rather for Yahoo Sports. He did a

1354
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: great piece a couple of weeks ago now about the

1355
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: dysfunction inside of the Rockies building. The fact that if

1356
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: you go up and down the people who are working

1357
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: at the organization, you see that people got hired in

1358
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: like nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety two, like there were

1359
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: there's people who are still working for the Colorado Rockies

1360
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: in baseball ops and scouting that were there before the

1361
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: team played the sanctioned game, and they've sucked the whole

1362
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: time for some reason, they've changed nothing. And the word

1363
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: the saddest part is, well, it's two things, kind of

1364
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: double edged. Short. The irony of it is that they

1365
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: packed that place all the time. We're gonna go We're

1366
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: gonna go a decond, big time down this year. But

1367
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: that's so unerstanding the worst team of all time. But

1368
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: it's like it doesn't behoove me to do it. Also,

1369
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: because they actually spend money like a team like the

1370
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: White Sox last year, they like pop that thing off

1371
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: at the studs. They're like, we're gonna be bad on purpose.

1372
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: The Rocks are not being bad on purpose. The Rocks

1373
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: are being bad by accident. That makes it much much sadder.

1374
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: They're being bad on incompetence because up and down this lineup,

1375
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: up and down this roster, up and down this team.

1376
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna read out some names of guys

1377
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: that have played this year and you're gonna be you're

1378
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: gonna be shocked.

1379
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: What are a paject matchups? So before you get going

1380
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: into them, all right, Pitching matchups before we do that.

1381
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: So Saturday night seven ten, amazing, no national games we give.

1382
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: We got Gary Keith ron for all. Friday is garyan Keith.

1383
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: I'm just saying national national no national games. I can't

1384
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what Keith is going to say about

1385
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: about this team. It's gonna be it's gonna be generational.

1386
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: But Friday Night David Peterson, Colorado Kid against Kyle Freeland,

1387
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: who always seems to tear up the Mets. Saturday four

1388
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: to ten, the fabled four to ten start time. Nothing

1389
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: better than a Saturday four ten city field Coda Sango

1390
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: versus Antonio Senzetela, also in his career, has had a

1391
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: couple of decent starts against the Mets. We all have

1392
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: him a few times. And Sunday Mattine one forty Clay

1393
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: Holmes first, the rookie Carson pump Quest.

1394
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: Now, I'll tell you this, there's no excuse. It's gotta

1395
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: be a sweep. That's where we're starting this. You have

1396
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 2: to win all three games, and you gotta win them handedly.

1397
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: These games can't be close with this team.

1398
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: They are putrid, putrid bad. They could be close to say,

1399
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: a game can't be closed as always, a win doesn't

1400
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 1: really matter. The Rockies have played Everyone plays close games

1401
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: all the time, like literally all the time. They just

1402
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: lost the last three losses of the Rockies have had

1403
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: five four against the Yankees, three one against the Cubs,

1404
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: for to three against the Cubs. They say they can't

1405
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: be close, all right, that's ridiculous. The series against the Phillies,

1406
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: they got swept. They lost the Phillies ninety three, once, seven,

1407
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: four nine, five to nothing. I don't want to hear

1408
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: this can't be close, bull That's what I want. That's

1409
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: what I want. I wanted to not be close. That's popular.

1410
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: I want it to be close either. I wanted three games.

1411
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: I want to score thirty five runs. I'm close to

1412
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: the I want forty five runs of course field But uh,

1413
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: that's everything that we're going to say poorly about the

1414
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: Rockies pitching. The lineup isn't horrible. Yes it is not

1415
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: by Lung, Yes it is. There's a lot of major

1416
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: league players in this lineup. The you can get ish. Yeah.

1417
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we both like Jordan Beck talk

1418
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: about Daddy Hacks. I don't think anyone in the league

1419
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: swings harder with more aggression than Jordan Back actually says

1420
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just rip every single time. From that famous

1421
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: Tennessee team you love is Eco tovarvar is an awesome player,

1422
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: owns the Mets too. Hunter Goodman's been awesome this season,

1423
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: really breaking through as a very physically impressive catcher who

1424
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: hit hidden for power, making more contact. Ryan mcmanon still

1425
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: a major league baseball player, has hit like shit this year,

1426
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: but I know he's still major league baseball player. And

1427
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: Brenton Doyle, while he's not hit well this year, it's

1428
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: a LightsOut defender in centerfield, probably one of the best

1429
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: three overall defensive players in baseball.

1430
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's He's a lights out center fielder. They're

1431
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: playing Mickey Moniac every day. Yeah that then it gets bad.

1432
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 2: Nick martiniz the DH by choice. A Dale amador might

1433
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: be able to hit the ball harder than me or you.

1434
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: I think that.

1435
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's hit a ball over ninety

1436
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: five miles an hour this year. He swings a noodle

1437
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 2: on the bench. Shake of Stallings is legitimately one of

1438
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 2: the worst hitters in Major League Baseball statistically this year.

1439
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: That's not even a take.

1440
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: Bad behind the plane as well. Yeah, Kyle Farmer is

1441
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 2: on this team. They were like, Kyle Farmer opening day,

1442
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 2: second basement, how could this go wrong? How could we

1443
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: lose games? Orlando Arcia just got picked up by this

1444
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: y signed them yep, to sit on the bench. They

1445
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 2: traded Nolan Jones, who has been a little hot and

1446
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: cold but had a great year in cores for Tyler

1447
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 2: Friedman or not Friedman, Tyler Freeman, who's never been good

1448
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: ever for a second in his life at the major

1449
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: league level. And then this is where we really have

1450
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,479
Speaker 2: some fun. The pitching is like the most chaos pitching

1451
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 2: I've ever seen in my life. Tell me a little

1452
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: about it, my boy south Haalverson has not looked good,

1453
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: but it's unfair.

1454
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: Because he pitches in cores. Well. The funny thing is

1455
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: they actually do have a couple decent relievers like Halverson,

1456
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: Zach Agnos, and Victor Vadnik. We got guys who throw

1457
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 1: legit gas like Jimmy Hurtan gets weird like that. That's

1458
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: something right there. But past that, like the team Mera

1459
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: is five point seven three. It's the worst in baseball.

1460
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: It's not even close. Carson pomqu has just got called up.

1461
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: He's been getting picked on on the basis. Teams are

1462
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: running on him like he's a lefty too, Which that's

1463
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: interesting because I think that this is one of the

1464
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: rare teams where the catchers are affecting the pitchers in

1465
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: a way, like more so in the pitchers catchers in

1466
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: the run game, where I mean Hunter Goodman is more

1467
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: of an outfielder by trade. Now he's playing catcher because

1468
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: he's I think he's more valuable there. But him installings

1469
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: have been horrible, throwing out bas runners. I would like

1470
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: to be aggressive against this team. Get on base, steal

1471
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: a bag, just have some fun playing baseball this week.

1472
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: This is a great team to have some fun playing against,

1473
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: Like play loose. I want to see Starling more type

1474
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 1: steal a base this weekend. But it does suck because

1475
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: I do feel like that this doesn't help you get loose,

1476
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: because I feel like there's always the opposite happens when

1477
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: you play these shit teams where you have nothing to

1478
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: gain and everything to lose, all expectations to sweep, and

1479
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: then if you lose one game, it's like, oh, we

1480
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: fucking lose a game against the Rockies.

1481
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, totally it's it's like playing against the younger

1482
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: team when like you had a travel baseball team, or

1483
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 2: we're playing we're playing like the same town, but we're

1484
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 2: playing their B team.

1485
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: Like, why are we doing this?

1486
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: Why are we going up against inferior competition with no

1487
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,959
Speaker 2: actual benefit besides they could beat us. It's uh again,

1488
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: you gotta sweep, just series, just hit, just hit, have

1489
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: a little fun. Wan Soto did shuffle. He finally shuffled.

1490
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't get you get it hit. I

1491
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: was gonna say it didn't do anything. So I don't

1492
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: know if that theory works anymore. But uh, maybe he'll

1493
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: feel loose playing against the Rockies and their ass ass pitching.

1494
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Speaker 2: But of course we're gonna have two left handers on

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Speaker 2: the mound, so that's always fun. Yeah, send you guys

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Speaker 2: out with some Frankie Peppers.

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Speaker 5: Gentlemen, this is Frankie Peppers. How you knowing? A nice

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Speaker 5: series win definitely not the end thing we want. I've

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Speaker 5: been saying that a lot recently. Hopefully we can turn

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Speaker 5: that around. But a pretty good series win of a

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00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 5: game on the game on Tuesday was real nice, some

1502
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Speaker 5: nice timely hitting. We just gotta get some more of

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Speaker 5: that God that I got back to all the new

1504
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 5: people followed me on Twitter. I appreciate you all hanging

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Speaker 5: with me there. And you should always support the Mets

1506
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 5: up boys, James and Mark because they're doing the real

1507
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 5: hard work. I just come on here and I just

1508
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 5: come on here. One of the kids call it yep,

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00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 5: I come on here and yap at them for a

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Speaker 5: little bit. You should support the boys. That're wonderful. All right, James,

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Speaker 5: I hope you're going well.

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Speaker 1: Let's go Mets.

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Speaker 5: Take care of yourself.

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Speaker 1: Specifically, James, hope you're doing well. That's nice for me.

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Speaker 1: I remember that, Frank, It's fine. And also for you

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Speaker 1: guys out there there are members of the YouTube channel,

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Speaker 1: we're going to do the monthly members only Q and

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Speaker 1: A maybe Thursday, maybe Friday, maybe Monday. We put a

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Speaker 1: post out there on YouTube channel, so if you guys

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00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: have a preference there, hit us up. Tell us what

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00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: day you think is best. But I think right now

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Speaker 1: we're probably leaning to Monday.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that seems to be the day we were looking at. Also,

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Speaker 2: remember to follow us on Twitter. We're gonna be given

1525
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 2: away that Howard Johnson jersey courtesy of Auction of Champions,

1526
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 2: So make sure you check that out over there and

1527
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Speaker 2: follow us stup on all our social media, subscribe to

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel. We're so close to ten K. Would love

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Speaker 2: to hit that by the end of the month. That's possible.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it is, but maybe we'll try

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Speaker 2: and throw that out there. You can follow James on

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Speaker 2: all social media at James Schiano and I'm Draftnick Mark

1533
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Speaker 2: with the seed. Thank you guys for listening, Thank you

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Speaker 2: for watching. We'll catch you all in the next episode.

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Speaker 1: Peace Out, peace out, guys. It's a called Mets.