Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Betting Pros. It's time to place
Speaker 1: your bets. It is me Joey P joe P Zapia
Speaker 1: and it's time to rumble. That's right. The road to
Speaker 1: WrestleMania begins this weekend at the Royal Rumble. And it
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Speaker 1: Royal Rumble, and I am super excited now. Terrella and
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Speaker 1: back and forth before every single show talking about whatever
Speaker 1: we saw. Saturday Night's main event is in the can
Speaker 1: we know who was in and gentlemen, I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: Last year's Roald Rumble again under Triple H. Some people thought, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of cookie cutter. We knew
Speaker 1: it was gonna come out of it. We got to
Speaker 1: see impunk injury, which turned out to be one of
Speaker 1: the best things that could possibly happen. But Terrell Furman,
Speaker 1: anything can happen in the Rumble, and anything can swerve around.
Speaker 1: What was so stunning to me as I was making
Speaker 1: my picks here and I've got the men's and women's
Speaker 1: right here my order, We're going to break down the
Speaker 1: booking that I have and see what the guys think.
Speaker 1: What was so stunning to me, especially the Men's Rumble,
Speaker 1: is how much high end, main event level talent we
Speaker 1: have and how we've intertwined them all in the last
Speaker 1: year and a half. It is kind of stunning. It's
Speaker 1: very nineteen ninety two Rumble esque, except the championship is
Speaker 1: not on the line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's really really good how they
Speaker 2: have decided to interswine all of these stories into one
Speaker 2: and the fact of we have a pool of about
Speaker 2: seven to ten main events that they could just throw
Speaker 2: out of there and we could be like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: that's a main event in WrestleMania. Oh wow, that's the
Speaker 2: main event in WrestleMania. Is so many storylines that all
Speaker 2: kind of intertwine with each other on both brands that
Speaker 2: you're like, oh wow, this is this can be good
Speaker 2: because it's like which way are you gonna go with?
Speaker 2: Are you're kind of looking like, oh is it gonna
Speaker 2: be a Cody Roman or is it? Oh Roman? Punk
Speaker 2: is over there? And oh wait, wait good, there's over
Speaker 2: there and soon. So's so many options. I love it.
Speaker 1: So many options, and they're all gonna be tested. That's
Speaker 1: what you get in the Rumble two is you have
Speaker 1: these test moments of booking, typically sal where we're gonna
Speaker 1: tease certain matches and say, what are these what does
Speaker 1: this pairing look like together? How much heat is that
Speaker 1: gonna get from the crowd? And maybe there's been some
Speaker 1: failures sometimes in the women's division under the Triple Ah regime.
Speaker 1: It looks like the rehabilitation is in full swing for
Speaker 1: the tag team division twenty twenty five, that's starting to
Speaker 1: go in a much better direction. But you can't knock
Speaker 1: the main event stars that they have put together because
Speaker 1: you're going through the list here, and when we get
Speaker 1: to the men's rumble, it is either former champions or
Speaker 1: believe it, Bull could be going after it, or people
Speaker 1: will already have belts right now. It's kind of stunning
Speaker 1: to think of what they've built up in terms of
Speaker 1: the very top of the line of this talent roster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's it's pretty ridiculous just how much
Speaker 3: talent there actually is. But I do feel storyline wise,
Speaker 3: we're kind of lacking on the women's side ever since
Speaker 3: the Ria and Live storyline. I think that's kind of
Speaker 3: if it's not done long term, it's on the shelf
Speaker 3: for now, especially if you've read, like No the Dirt Streets,
Speaker 3: how they're saying Live and Raquel might be going for
Speaker 3: the tag titles at WrestleMania, so that kind of takes
Speaker 3: Live out of the picture. But talent wise, that's ridiculous,
Speaker 3: and that you know Charlotte Flair has been gone for
Speaker 3: how long? So you bring her back? You got Bianca Eo.
Speaker 3: Becky might be coming back. I mean they've talked about
Speaker 3: Alexa Bliss coming back. Jade Cargo has been off off
Speaker 3: TV for a little while, she could be returning. We
Speaker 3: haven't even mentioned Jordan Grace, who recently actually signed full
Speaker 3: time with w W. Remember her Royal Rumble appearance last year,
Speaker 3: how that was like to me? That was a shock,
Speaker 3: That was one of the best. It was one of
Speaker 3: the best moments of the Rumble weekend. And I feel
Speaker 3: like she's in store for like a really fantastic performance
Speaker 3: at this year's Rumbule. So you could just keep going
Speaker 3: down down the list, and like, especially with women who
Speaker 3: are returningly, that's insane, Like Charlotte's been gone, Becky's been gone,
Speaker 3: Oscar has been gone. They can all potentially be returning
Speaker 3: this weekend. So like the Royal Rumble star powers.
Speaker 1: And saying, well, speaking of lists, in the words of
Speaker 1: Chris Jericho, I made a list right here, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to the list right here. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: to the booking. Talk about that, give us, give out
Speaker 1: the picks. I should say as well, and before we
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Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. And guess what, we
Speaker 1: did pretty well with some of those picks last year.
Speaker 1: Nailed all those, including the Mania picks as well two
Speaker 1: years in a row with the Rumble and on my podcast,
Speaker 1: I have gotten this is true story nine of the
Speaker 1: last ten between the men and the women, right. That
Speaker 1: one I did not get was that one wacky brock
Speaker 1: lesnar year that nobody quite saw coming. That was let's
Speaker 1: not talk about that all right, Let's get to the
Speaker 1: women's rumble here. I always say, boys, you gotta start
Speaker 1: with something. We're gonna do these tens of time you
Speaker 1: have to begin with somebody that's gonna get the crowd
Speaker 1: ready to go, get him engaged right away. And you
Speaker 1: want some people have some big entrances and some big
Speaker 1: feel So I'm gonna start with Chelsea Green. You want
Speaker 1: to also highlight the new bell too. She's the United
Speaker 1: States Women's champion. I think a lot of casual fans
Speaker 1: don't even know that they're secondary women's titles. Now I
Speaker 1: want to start with her. I want to go EO Scott,
Speaker 1: who's gonna be my workhorse coming in at two? Really
Speaker 1: build up Eo here as the marathon woman. Then we're
Speaker 1: gonna go. We need some bodies to get rid of eventually.
Speaker 1: Here we're gonna bring an Islad, Dawn Zoe start that,
Speaker 1: Talia ganit a good hand like Natalia in here at five,
Speaker 1: Selina Vega, Piper Niven at seven, Naomi at eight, Sonya
Speaker 1: developed nine, and then Bailey at ten. Teral. What do
Speaker 1: you think of the opening here with Chelsea Green and
Speaker 1: EO Sky?
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty good. I'm curious if EO Sky
Speaker 2: is gonna get the Iron Survivor push, and it could
Speaker 2: very well happen and we could see her go back
Speaker 2: in the trajectory, and she's really been doing a lot
Speaker 2: of the grunt work over the course of the full year.
Speaker 2: So I kind of think of like those starters as
Speaker 2: the Iron Survivor push, those people that may get the
Speaker 2: most eliminations of hey, we're starting to reward you, of hey,
Speaker 2: get ready for this next year, because we're about to
Speaker 2: put you on your back. Bailey went and got the push,
Speaker 2: and she ended up winning the Rumble and ended up
Speaker 2: going on winning in Championship and had a good year
Speaker 2: leading through Summer Slam. So she really got a really
Speaker 2: big push. In the year before that, you had Ria
Speaker 2: who was the Iron Survivor and she, you know, she
Speaker 2: went bonkers. It serves a superstardom, So I think that
Speaker 2: I could really see that for an EO, and I
Speaker 2: don't really know anybody else that I think really, uh,
Speaker 2: they want to give that responsibility to of this next year,
Speaker 2: you're really going to be like all hands on deck
Speaker 2: for us.
Speaker 1: So I have EO making it to my final four?
Speaker 1: Do you have her in that same grouping?
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't argue against it, though.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm not arguing against it. Why why why
Speaker 1: do you not have her in there? Just out of curiosity, just.
Speaker 3: The other four I have. She she didn't make the
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a simple answer.
Speaker 1: She just fell at all.
Speaker 3: Right, So after okay, go back to your point about
Speaker 3: like the big entrances starting the show, and then throw
Speaker 3: about the iron surviron. There's a couple of names you
Speaker 3: didn't mention in there who I think could potentially be
Speaker 3: either the first woman entrant or like in the top three,
Speaker 3: is again Jordan Grace or Bianca Belair, especially when you say,
Speaker 3: like the big grand entrances, who has a better entrance
Speaker 3: these days than Bianca Belair, Like we've seen it in
Speaker 3: the past, paper easy premium blind events like that'd be
Speaker 3: a great way to get the crowd going. And I'm
Speaker 3: a spoiler. I'm kind of like all in on Jordan
Speaker 3: Grace for this royal rumble.
Speaker 1: Oh I am too, But I think we're gonna make
Speaker 1: everybody wait. And I've got a plan here, because the
Speaker 1: plan is the slow burn. This is the Triple Ah
Speaker 1: slow Burn. And remember, we've got to fill the ring
Speaker 1: with some bodies if we're gonna make somebody else look strong.
Speaker 1: If you don't have those bodies going in, you have
Speaker 1: the Jordan Graces of the world come in too early.
Speaker 1: If you have her coming in the top you know
Speaker 1: five people. To me, that kind of puts her in
Speaker 1: a bad spot because then she's got a battle through.
Speaker 1: She gotta be in the corner, biding time with some
Speaker 1: bad caicks and punches until spots open up. You want
Speaker 1: her to come in when there's a full body of
Speaker 1: women to throw out of the ring and make them
Speaker 1: look strong. So at eleven, another good hand Candice Loray
Speaker 1: Alba Fire thirteen Live, Morgan Shanea Bazler at fourteen, Bianca
Speaker 1: bell Er at fifteen. So halfway through, I give you
Speaker 1: Bianca because right now it feels a little loss in
Speaker 1: the booking troll? Do you agree? I feel like Bianca
Speaker 1: feels a little lost. I think I know where we're
Speaker 1: going with this storyline, but considering this is somebody who
Speaker 1: main invented Mania couple years ago with Sasha Bangs, it
Speaker 1: feels like it's good to have you go away a
Speaker 1: little bit till I miss you. But it almost feels
Speaker 1: like she's gone so far away that I can't see
Speaker 1: her in the main events scene right now.
Speaker 2: And I think it feels like that too, And it's
Speaker 2: kind of disheartening as a huge Bianca bell Air fan.
Speaker 2: But the thing that I think that she carries on
Speaker 2: is the fact that she is polarizing and she is
Speaker 2: one of the biggest superstars, not women superstars in the WWE.
Speaker 2: Great think about what Raw on Netflix and how big
Speaker 2: Raw Netflix is and where you saw you saw a
Speaker 2: Bianca's face on every single Raw on Netflix poster, and
Speaker 2: then we got to Raw on Netflix and she's sitting
Speaker 2: in the crowd, but she's on every post. That's how
Speaker 2: big she is. So I think that it's okay if
Speaker 2: she doesn't get the full shine because they know, hey,
Speaker 2: we can pick this back up whenever. Let's keep building
Speaker 2: this storyline with her underlying, underlying, underlying. So I think
Speaker 2: you got her in a good spot, middle of the
Speaker 2: pack and she can go in there do some damage.
Speaker 2: I think she could have a lot of eliminations here
Speaker 2: along with Jordan Grace and and probably end up making
Speaker 2: the final four, but just not there yet.
Speaker 1: All right, sal Bianco bel Air, Is she in your
Speaker 1: final four? Yeah?
Speaker 2: She is.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you mentioned she's kind of been
Speaker 3: like off to the side, even though she's a tag champion.
Speaker 3: But with WWE specifically it doesn't take long for them
Speaker 3: to heat up a feud or heat up a rivalry.
Speaker 3: And with Rea Ripley the champion, I envisioned a narrator
Speaker 3: where Bianca could potentially win this and challenge Rhea, and
Speaker 3: we get that Ria Ripley Bianca Blair match at WrestleMania.
Speaker 3: We've seen the history between them, especially in NXT. Those
Speaker 3: two can bring it. I think that'd be a pretty
Speaker 3: remarkable WrestleMania match. I you know, Bianca could pull off
Speaker 3: the victory. Whether she does not, that's the different story.
Speaker 3: But I could envision it.
Speaker 1: At sixteen, we're going to bring in the women's inter
Speaker 1: Continental Champion, Lyra Valcaria, who's had a really good run
Speaker 1: here I think so far. You know, she was heated
Speaker 1: up first, got a little quiet, and then the tournament
Speaker 1: really punched her up a little bit. I think we.
Speaker 2: What's that were all shocked by that?
Speaker 3: Are her winning?
Speaker 1: No? Not at all, really at all.
Speaker 2: I thought it was Dakota's time, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, It would have been nice if it was
Speaker 1: Dakota's time. The problem is, once again, Dakota's on another
Speaker 1: injury now, right, And I think whenever you put belts
Speaker 1: on folks, you have to say, Okay, what's the durability
Speaker 1: of this person. It's one of the things that I
Speaker 1: always worried about with Darby Allen. It's like, look, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna put him at the very top of your
Speaker 1: board as you're champion someday, what's the durability of that
Speaker 1: guy gonna be to deliver those matches for six months
Speaker 1: at a time, every single night. That's hard. It's hard
Speaker 1: to be at the top physically speaking. And Dakota one
Speaker 1: of my favorites. Dakota suffers from Dolph Zigler syndrome for
Speaker 1: me too, which is she makes everybody else look so
Speaker 1: damn good. Yeah, that she forgets to get herself over.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Same, I think the same.
Speaker 1: I think she's she's not gonna be in this rumble either.
Speaker 2: It seems it seemed like they were getting ready for
Speaker 2: a really good push with her. It felt like it
Speaker 2: was about to go somewhere, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I guess this kind of leads into a make card title,
Speaker 2: But I'm not. I'm not mad at the Liral pick,
Speaker 2: but I was like, Oh, I thought Dakota was finally
Speaker 2: going Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Not mad at either. I think we might be pushing
Speaker 1: for trying to elevate those secondary titles too. More on
Speaker 1: that to come here. Nikki Bella at seventeen now she
Speaker 1: is my only returning. She's been kicking around the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks out. Have you noticed this? And it
Speaker 1: feels like whenever that happens you kind of roll your eyes,
Speaker 1: You go, all right, I guess is what we're gonna
Speaker 1: get here. I don't have aj Lee as much as
Speaker 1: I want her returning. It feels like TRIPLEA doesn't really
Speaker 1: big into the member berries with some of these royal
Speaker 1: rumble things as much as the Vince regime used to be.
Speaker 1: And I don't think considering where Campunk is currently right
Speaker 1: now in that spectrum, it feels like it might be
Speaker 1: his night. And if so, I just don't feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, what we've see now the relationship with the
Speaker 1: two of them is that she's gonna come in there
Speaker 1: and have anything to do with his night. What do
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 3: She just doesn't really seem that interested in coming back
Speaker 3: to WW She's got so much stuff going on outside
Speaker 3: of wrestling that it's not like a lot of legends
Speaker 3: you see that kind of cling on to WWE because
Speaker 3: they just they need to come back. Aj Lee does
Speaker 3: not need wrestling whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Now, but I think she could use some closure on it,
Speaker 1: and I do see her eventually getting one run. I
Speaker 1: just don't think this is gonna be where it is.
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be the road to WrestleMania
Speaker 1: for seam Punk, and we've been building it as such.
Speaker 1: So Nikki Bella at seventeen, Rakel Rodriguez at eighteen, meets
Speaker 1: it at nineteen, who's had also a pretty good finish
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty four. Just want to shout her out.
Speaker 1: She has been a workhorse for that company. Here we go,
Speaker 1: Now you're ready. So we got all these bodies in,
Speaker 1: we got to start throwing some bodies out. Let's start
Speaker 1: at number twenty Nya Jacks, here we go, so she's
Speaker 1: gonna come in there. And right after Naya Jacks, it's
Speaker 1: time to bring back Wu Charlotte Flair at twenty one.
Speaker 1: Now there's some heat there. What a perfect moment. Let's
Speaker 1: embrace the heat. Sal I feel like this one thing
Speaker 1: Triple H loves. It's to embrace some of the real
Speaker 1: heat between some people because he knows it's good television.
Speaker 1: I want twenty and twenty one. I want Naya to
Speaker 1: come in throw some people out, and I want Charlotte
Speaker 1: Flair to come in right after her and have that
Speaker 1: moment where Nya is looking down the ramp and she
Speaker 1: sees Charlotte Flair. What do you think?
Speaker 3: So thought about those who queen back to back in
Speaker 3: the rumble, but I can definitely.
Speaker 1: See it are here. That's the question I met for
Speaker 1: it for sure. All right again, we need some more
Speaker 1: bodies here twenty two, Maxine Dupre, twenty three, Nikki Cross,
Speaker 1: rox and Perez at twenty four. She is the only
Speaker 1: NXT person I have. I know there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of rumblings Durel about a lot of more NXT people
Speaker 1: maybe making some debuts here. I think it becomes less
Speaker 1: special when you have more than one. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stick to one here in the men's and one of
Speaker 1: the women's. What do you think roxanm. Perez is a
Speaker 1: finally time to move her up?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: I think it is, but I disagree with the amount.
Speaker 2: I think that that NXT talent division is too like
Speaker 2: they don't have enough time on NXT for all of them.
Speaker 2: They're having segments with like four or five girls in
Speaker 2: the segment, trying to get some airtime for all of
Speaker 2: them because they're so good. I think you have to
Speaker 2: take the opportunity at the Rumble where you can throw
Speaker 2: in a couple of extra bodies. They're not saying it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot and not saying we're going to
Speaker 2: throw in the whole division. Is gonna be be like
Speaker 2: a three brand war in the Rumble? No, no, no,
Speaker 2: But I think we can get one or two maybe
Speaker 2: other people in there. So I think three is a
Speaker 2: very good number for NXT representation.
Speaker 1: Question though, but when you start bringing the NXT women
Speaker 1: guys and they like like the Stephanie Vakors or the
Speaker 1: Julia's and have these belts, does it do them a
Speaker 1: disservice though, because you're just bringing them in there to
Speaker 1: get thrown over the top and eliminated.
Speaker 3: But also it gives them, you know, like a platform
Speaker 3: to audiences that don't watch NXT. They'd be like, hey,
Speaker 3: look the amount of talent we have down XT. They
Speaker 3: give them Remember the Keith Lee moment for example a
Speaker 3: few years back.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it.
Speaker 2: Feels like, I know, like, who is this guy, this
Speaker 2: guy's before.
Speaker 1: That's with the NXT.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you keep going with this, but I
Speaker 3: think there's one NXT woman who you might not mention.
Speaker 1: I think should be in the rum. Well, you could
Speaker 1: tell me who I left out. You guys can tell
Speaker 1: me who I left at all. Right, At twenty five,
Speaker 1: you waited long enough, rox and Perez, We've got our smaller.
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna bring in the uh the Jordan Grace
Speaker 1: at twenty five. Now we start to build, So we
Speaker 1: bring the crowd up for Roxane Perez, we bring them
Speaker 1: up some more with Jordan Grace, and we come down
Speaker 1: at twenty six for Ivy Nile. Then we have a
Speaker 1: returning Alexa Bliss at twenty seven. I don't buy any
Speaker 1: of the contract stuff. I think that's all a bunch
Speaker 1: of huha. I think the only reason they're doing it
Speaker 1: is to throw people off the scent, because they've done
Speaker 1: that before in the last couple of years. Returning Oscar
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, Returning Jane Cargill at twenty nine. People
Speaker 1: are losing their minds, going look at all these people
Speaker 1: coming back, what's gonna happen? And at thirty who's possibly left.
Speaker 2: Who can it be?
Speaker 1: It's Becky Lynch at thirty making her return. So I'm
Speaker 1: spiking from twenty five Jordan, Grace, Ivy Nile again. We
Speaker 1: gotta bring him down a little bit, Bliss, Osca, Cargill, Lynch, Terrell.
Speaker 1: Have I sufficiently inflated the bubble here at the end
Speaker 1: of the rubble? Yeah?
Speaker 2: How many returns is that? Jesus, I've got more returns? Think, hey,
Speaker 2: this is more for in row. This is more returns
Speaker 2: than Monday after Black Friday, then Chris Day after Christmas.
Speaker 1: Day. This is right there. That's a good Canadian joke
Speaker 1: for Sal. So I like that one.
Speaker 2: So Sal again, Becky, you said who else?
Speaker 3: Who else is Jade?
Speaker 1: He said Jade Car Gill. So I had Alexa, Oscar,
Speaker 1: Jade and Becky. But here's also part of the reason too.
Speaker 1: Alexa hasn't worked in forever, Oscar's coming off an injury,
Speaker 1: Becky hasn't. You know, Becky's the big star whatever you
Speaker 1: get that big pop at thirty. We could really embrace
Speaker 1: that last moment. She doesn't have to rush it. And
Speaker 1: same thing with Jade too. Again you worry still about
Speaker 1: her work. But also you know, I think This protects
Speaker 1: all these returning women between injury and some inexperience in
Speaker 1: some of them, and also looking at where they are
Speaker 1: right now in terms of getting back up to speed.
Speaker 1: By bringing them in late, you get the biggest pops,
Speaker 1: you get the biggest build and then again, oh my god,
Speaker 1: look who's in this ring now. So to me, that
Speaker 1: is the mindset. This is the slow burned Women's Rumble
Speaker 1: that I put together, Sal, Do you think I think
Speaker 1: that the slow burn is working for you so far?
Speaker 3: I'm into it all right?
Speaker 1: There you go. So final four Osca Eo Sky making
Speaker 1: it all the way from two, Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair.
Speaker 1: That's my final four, Sal, who's your final four for
Speaker 1: the women?
Speaker 3: My final four got Charlotte Jordan, Grace Blair and Becky Lynch.
Speaker 1: Becky Lynch, Terrell, your final four picks for the Women's
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble.
Speaker 2: Bianca, be Lair, Charlotte Flair, Naya Jacks, Meggy Lynch.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk winner now, Terrell. Give me your
Speaker 1: winner for the Women's Royal Rumble. Looking right now at
Speaker 1: the odds, you got Charlotte Flair at minus two hundred,
Speaker 1: Bianca at one seventy five, Eosky A plus three twenty five,
Speaker 1: Becky Lynch A plus five hundred. To me, those are
Speaker 1: the only real answers here that are correct. But I
Speaker 1: can't make a case. I can't make a case for Alexa.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna go back to Live More Agan. It's
Speaker 1: too soon for Jordan Grace. He's gonna compete for the
Speaker 1: secondary titles here. Osca is probably not going to be
Speaker 1: thrown right back into that situation. The reason why I
Speaker 1: had Oscar and Charlotte there too, once again renewing some
Speaker 1: fuse there. You got the Osca and Charlotte, you got
Speaker 1: the Becky and Charlotte stuff, you got a lot of history,
Speaker 1: and then you're throwing you know somebody that I know
Speaker 1: Triple H is very high on which has been EO
Speaker 1: And she was so good at n XT and I
Speaker 1: don't think she's really gotten her proper run yet. So
Speaker 1: your winner Terrell again for Women's Royal Rumble.
Speaker 2: So how I look at Winner, I think it's what
Speaker 2: storyline makes the best sense for WrestleMania, What makes the
Speaker 2: best sense for the titles for WrestleMania. I don't think
Speaker 2: either title is gonna drop before Mania, So I think
Speaker 2: we're locked in. Ria is gonna have one match, Tiffany's
Speaker 2: gonna have the other. The only match Tiffany can have
Speaker 2: is Naya Jax. That is the only match that I
Speaker 2: feel like makes sense for Mania is Nia Jacks because
Speaker 2: we've been building this storyline for almost a year now,
Speaker 2: Like they what was that summertime Queen the Ring around
Speaker 2: that time, That's when they started to team up, and
Speaker 2: they built that storyline and it kept going going. She
Speaker 2: won the title all of that, I think, and they
Speaker 2: never got the one on one match. It was always
Speaker 2: the cash and they never got the one on one.
Speaker 2: So I think that that Naya is one match and
Speaker 2: the other match with Rha can go any way. But
Speaker 2: Deaf taxes Charlotte Flair returning from injury and getting a
Speaker 2: title shot like that, That is why it's minus two hundred.
Speaker 2: It's might as two hundred reason. Deaf Sex is Charlotte
Speaker 2: Flair returning from injury and getting a title shot. It
Speaker 2: always happens, and Charlotte Flairria Ripley is a great storyline
Speaker 2: to pick back up on and have an awesome Mania match.
Speaker 2: I think that they are telling us exactly how it's
Speaker 2: gonna go I would be I would love to be
Speaker 2: wrong and see anybody else. But I think it's Charlotte
Speaker 2: Flair because I don't think Naya's gonna win, even though
Speaker 2: Nya and Tiffany is the only option that Tiffany has
Speaker 2: for a match. In my opinion, I think I think
Speaker 2: it's Charlotte. I think it's gonna be Charlotte, and they're
Speaker 2: just setting us up for what we know is gonna
Speaker 2: be Charlotte versus Ria again at Mania, and it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a great match.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna Charlotte two. I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Charlotte and Tiffy. I think they want to put
Speaker 1: a little fresh coat of paint on things a little
Speaker 1: bit there, and because they already know they've got Ria
Speaker 1: and Charlotte in the bed, they've gotten that one, right,
Speaker 1: we still haven't gotten you know, Bianca and Ria either
Speaker 1: on that main roster feud quite yet. You saw an
Speaker 1: n X T a little bit. But to me, it's
Speaker 1: Charlotte and Tiffy because the crowd wants to cheer Tiffy,
Speaker 1: and Charlotte is a heel. She's just is. There's no
Speaker 1: way you can ever just cheer hers. It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It's not her in their DNA. So sal give us
Speaker 1: your final four and your pick for winner here with
Speaker 1: the odds.
Speaker 3: Nice I'll say before that, I just want to mention
Speaker 3: if Chrell does think that there's a chance Nia Jackson
Speaker 3: can win a plus five thousand odds man lay down
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: I think you should be and I do think she'll
Speaker 2: be in the final four. But it's just I can't
Speaker 2: see night of winning it, even though I think that
Speaker 2: is her mania. That's the way Naya has a Mania
Speaker 2: match is with Tiffy.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, I've been tracking the line movement for
Speaker 3: both rumbles for roughly the past past month, and Charlotte's
Speaker 3: been the favorite every single week, going from plus two
Speaker 3: twenty five to minus two hundred and when I try
Speaker 3: to think of a narrative with Royal Rumble and Wrestlemanium,
Speaker 3: in my mind, there's really two concrete ones. It's Charlotte
Speaker 3: winning because they said Charlotte wins everything. It's WrestleMania her
Speaker 3: versus Tiffy. I think it's like the past versus a present.
Speaker 3: I think Tiffany Stratton is the next Charlotte Flair and stylistically,
Speaker 3: I feel like they kind of have similarities, and I
Speaker 3: think that'd be like like as the young kids say a.
Speaker 1: Banger of a match, it would and it gives her
Speaker 1: a little bit of the rub too, where you know,
Speaker 1: he's like, Okay, I'm gonna now you're in that part
Speaker 1: of your career where you start to put the young
Speaker 1: talent over a little bit. And I think that would
Speaker 1: be good for Charlotte Flair to do.
Speaker 3: And then the other option, I think it could be
Speaker 3: either Bianca Blair or Jordan Grace versus rear Ripley, mainly
Speaker 3: because I just want to see Jordan Grace and also
Speaker 3: the plus thirty three hundred odds for Jordan Grace, that's
Speaker 3: some nice value. I've been like, I've been doing a
Speaker 3: lot of research for the Rumbles and this is pretty
Speaker 3: easy to say, but since twenty eighteen, five out of
Speaker 3: the seven winners were the odds on favorite like days before,
Speaker 3: so that automatically puts it at Charlotte Flair the other
Speaker 3: two winners, whereas Becky in twenty nineteen was the second
Speaker 3: favorite and Charlotte in twenty twenty who was the third favorite.
Speaker 3: So everybody hears chalk for a reason. The oddsmakers know
Speaker 3: what they're doing. So if you want to play some
Speaker 3: bet to win money, like you gotta go with like
Speaker 3: the top four.
Speaker 1: Well, the minute Charlotte was in it and declared I
Speaker 1: was going, you know, I'm betting her at the plus
Speaker 1: two hundred whatever was Now it's minus two hundred. You
Speaker 1: missed the window. Everybody like, yeah, that is it, you know.
Speaker 1: But in the words of de Batista, give me what
Speaker 1: I want. That's what I want. I want Charlotte Flair.
Speaker 2: And he's so disappointed if Bianca won. And it's only
Speaker 2: because I think Bianca and Rio, whenever it happened, needs
Speaker 2: to be a long thing.
Speaker 1: I agree. I don't think this is it over.
Speaker 2: A year of building up to that feud, Like you
Speaker 2: can't just give me that in a couple months and
Speaker 2: say I'm gonna be happy at Mania. So as much
Speaker 2: as I love Bianca, I would be disappointed if she
Speaker 2: won because that means they're rushing that feud way too much.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I don't know if it was you
Speaker 1: or sal made the point before it was like they're
Speaker 1: pretty good at heating up stuff fast, especially a lot
Speaker 1: of these feuds that you just add water to. That's
Speaker 1: one I don't want to heat up fast. I'm with
Speaker 1: you one thousand percent slow burn that one and hasn't
Speaker 1: planted any seeds for it yet. And the big ones,
Speaker 1: the big ones always have seeds planted, always, every single time.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing you've seen from this book and
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 3: So I was just saying just a little bit of pushback,
Speaker 3: like this has been a slow burn since NXT. It's
Speaker 3: been a very long term story. We haven't seen.
Speaker 2: Much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's which is fair.
Speaker 3: But again, there's also a lot of people that didn't
Speaker 3: watch NXC or don't watch NXC, so they don't know
Speaker 3: that backstory. So I'm with you with their I.
Speaker 1: Think it's more like we were gonna get her and
Speaker 1: Jade or some sort of you know, situation going on there,
Speaker 1: like man, maybe it was Naomi who took out Jade Cargill.
Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna find out on Friday or saturd.
Speaker 1: I think we'll find out it rumble, we're gonna find
Speaker 1: out sooner or later. I think when Jade gets in
Speaker 1: the ring, we're gonna find out who it was. And
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a fun elimination. And that's part of
Speaker 1: why I want it to come late, because I want
Speaker 1: it to be a big reveal. Again, there's there's always
Speaker 1: a method to the madness here.
Speaker 2: You know, like a little cry like think of Jade
Speaker 2: looking in the ring, looking at Naya, looking at all
Speaker 2: the suspects, and then just she.
Speaker 1: Goes right on. Yeah, that's great, or Bianca and that's
Speaker 1: your feud. See that's easy that the water is it
Speaker 1: becomes an explosion there. It was like a science experiment
Speaker 1: if you do that, And that's why I want it late.
Speaker 1: But it can't be last because you have to have
Speaker 1: something that's a little bigger than that. And what's bigger
Speaker 1: than that? Only one thing, and that's the man. Let's
Speaker 1: take a look at them? No then no, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's as you never know.
Speaker 3: Before we get to the men's. I do want to
Speaker 3: ask the question because this was interesting to be uh
Speaker 3: studying all the line movement the past month. Today a
Speaker 3: new name was added to the odds for the woman's
Speaker 3: Who wasn't there the previous four three or four weeks
Speaker 3: I've been tracking this. I wanted to get your guys,
Speaker 3: if you think she'll actually make it appearance, not win it.
Speaker 3: But Ronda Rowsey showed up in the odds to last.
Speaker 3: You think, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think somebody requested a bit and said can you
Speaker 2: please add her to the card.
Speaker 1: She hates the company. They they had got into a
Speaker 1: thing with the whole Drew Gulak thing with her and
Speaker 1: all the other side. There's no way it's it's it's
Speaker 1: zero zero. It's a better chance. You see brock Lesner
Speaker 1: then you see Ronda Rowsey in this one. I say zero.
Speaker 1: But but that's why they get you. They get you
Speaker 1: with the big name. So don't be a fool. That's
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Speaker 1: we go boys, same concept, Men's Rumble. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: you through the Joey p booking. Start at number one
Speaker 1: with a former winner of the World Rumble and somebody
Speaker 1: who's got a brand new character and a brand new
Speaker 1: entrance and a belt Shinsky Nakamora. You know, a little
Speaker 1: slow play, it's a little a little open up here.
Speaker 1: Reintroduce Shinsk and that whole thing here, and then of
Speaker 1: course you have to do the full jay Uso entrance. Right,
Speaker 1: So he's got to be number two. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: the whole crowd, you get the hype wagon going. We're
Speaker 1: ready to go. Number three, Chad Gable, number four, Carmelo Hayes,
Speaker 1: number five, We've got La Night Yeah. Number six, Penta.
Speaker 1: I want him in early, and I want him in
Speaker 1: some spots, and I want to get him with Carmelo Hayes,
Speaker 1: Chad Gable all in that same mix. At seven, Finn
Speaker 1: Balor eight seth rawlins a little early here at nine
Speaker 1: Androdde and number ten Dirty Dom Mysterio. So I want
Speaker 1: to see Penta with some of these guys here. I
Speaker 1: want to see him interact with Rowins and Carmelo Hayes
Speaker 1: and Chad Gable Again, are you with me here on
Speaker 1: that sal where we want to get Penta moving and
Speaker 1: shaking with some of these bigger names.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we have to get them right there. As
Speaker 3: mentioned top ten, some new possibilities Nowaday's in wwe Penta
Speaker 3: ja Uso have be kind of fun face off Penta.
Speaker 3: We've seen Chad Cable, Penta La Knight would be kind
Speaker 3: of interesting to see them go back and forth a
Speaker 3: little bit. Wow, I do want to say, like jay
Speaker 3: Usso's number one. I feel like if they had odds
Speaker 3: for who do you think is gonna be the first
Speaker 3: person in the world rumble, j Usso would be the
Speaker 3: odds on favorite, coming from the crowd all the way
Speaker 3: to the y to the ring, with the whole yea
Speaker 3: and the whole audience team.
Speaker 1: That's why I want him too, because I feel like
Speaker 1: it's too obvious to I'm at one. Let's set up
Speaker 1: so somebody who can be a foil for him first
Speaker 1: and then bring him in have a little standoff. Torell,
Speaker 1: what do you think about these first ten names? Again,
Speaker 1: we're talking about Chinske, who's won the Rumble before. We're
Speaker 1: talking about Finn Baler, who is Ben champ An NXC
Speaker 1: champ Rowins, multiple time champion l A. Knight who just
Speaker 1: came off of a mid card title run Jay Usso,
Speaker 1: same thing again. It's a lot of big names here
Speaker 1: in these first ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I took a completely different approach with it, and
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the first two. I think that's gonna
Speaker 2: kick this thing off, and that's also gonna kick off
Speaker 2: a Mania match, because we've seen the past two years,
Speaker 2: the first two starters have had a Maniam match. Later
Speaker 2: on you had the USO's last year, and then you
Speaker 2: had Gunther and Seamus kickoff two years before that, and
Speaker 2: then they ended up having a triple threat with Juw
Speaker 2: mckintyre at Mania. So it's a little bit of tat
Speaker 2: of he a little bit of a few there, and
Speaker 2: I couldn't I couldn't directly place it. But the one
Speaker 2: person that I think is going to have a good match,
Speaker 2: the one person that I think is going to to
Speaker 2: have the iron survivor, and that's bron Breaker. This is
Speaker 2: bron Breaker's Royal Rumble. You do you remember when bron
Speaker 2: Breaker came out last year and had four eliminations in
Speaker 2: the Royal Rumble match. Do you remember how long he
Speaker 2: was in the match?
Speaker 1: No, I don't.
Speaker 2: Five minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember. It wasn't that wild. I don't remember
Speaker 1: exactly how long A five minutes. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: He was in the match four minutes, four eliminations in
Speaker 2: five minutes, and then he was gone. I think they
Speaker 2: give him the Iron Survivor, so I think he has
Speaker 2: to be one of the top two. And if I
Speaker 2: had to sit there and say, oh, if they're going
Speaker 2: to start him off with a feud for what's gonna
Speaker 2: be mania. The other person I think would be good
Speaker 2: and can last long too is Lewis Kaiser. I think
Speaker 2: lub Kaiser I do have in here. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you're gonna like where I've got him, though, but
Speaker 2: I do love him. I think I think it's bron
Speaker 2: Breaker at one and I think that kicks off the
Speaker 2: Rumble and him having a big eliminations long long time
Speaker 2: in the match shows off how good he is, endurable
Speaker 2: he is. That gets him to the and then that
Speaker 2: kind of opens things up for the rest of the same.
Speaker 1: Booze Rain Down on number ten, don Mysterio but cheers
Speaker 1: for Sammy's A and at eleven you gotta throw them
Speaker 1: is in there at twelve because I'm sure it's in
Speaker 1: his contract. He gets to be in every rumble. At thirteen,
Speaker 1: cm Punk the opposite of the thirty one tattooed. See
Speaker 1: I'm digging deep here. We're looking for meetings and Easter
Speaker 1: eggs every single time. Give me Cmpunk at thirteen because
Speaker 1: he wants to be in there long enough to make
Speaker 1: his presence felt and feel like it's a warrior. But look,
Speaker 1: you gotta protect the Mpunk. He's forty something years old.
Speaker 1: You gotta be careful with him. Next up here Jimmy
Speaker 1: Uso and then bron Breaker at fifteen. So there you go,
Speaker 1: and there's some bodies there for bron Breaker to throw out,
Speaker 1: including dom Masterio in there, maybe a Carmelo Hayes Elimination two.
Speaker 1: Next up Damian Priest at sixteen, and then because they
Speaker 1: love him, carry and Cross at seventeen. There we get
Speaker 1: to eighteen, we start to get some big boys. Drew
Speaker 1: McIntyre makes the cut at nineteen. You say his name
Speaker 1: and he appears, he's Joe Hendry and twenty ray mysterio,
Speaker 1: So I get Joe Henry at nineteen. Think that's too
Speaker 1: late or too early? Sal for Joe Hendry sounds.
Speaker 3: About right to me. Build up the anticipation because I
Speaker 3: think at this point we all.
Speaker 2: Expect him to be. There was ever a guarantee of
Speaker 2: somebody that's not on the main roster to be there
Speaker 2: is Joe Hendry.
Speaker 3: So he gives it that opportunity for like every entrance,
Speaker 3: every like countdowns, Oh, is that joh Henry? Is that
Speaker 3: Joe Henry? And you just keep building and billy and
Speaker 3: billing until they finally say his name and he appears.
Speaker 1: Does he last very long? Soal like? Or do you think?
Speaker 1: I don't think, I mean, because I have McIntire coming in,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking the perfect guy to eliminate Joe Hendry
Speaker 1: is you know, another United Kingdom fellow, And I think
Speaker 1: Drew mcutarre is that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think he's just he's basically here for
Speaker 3: the theme song to sing with the audience a little
Speaker 3: bit getting there smug for the camera.
Speaker 1: Well, you don't want to get too much because he
Speaker 1: is the TNA champion that much like. You gotta let
Speaker 1: him get in there and mix it up a little bit.
Speaker 3: But like just that the fact that a TNA champion
Speaker 3: is in the Royal Umble itself is a victory.
Speaker 2: Imagine McIntire and Joe Hendry. But I know that, like
Speaker 2: that's the I get it. That is very good. But
Speaker 2: imagine Joe Hendry and the mizz standing across each other. Oh,
Speaker 2: throw l A Knight in there too. Just imagine all
Speaker 2: those just little personalities staring and looking at each other like, now, yeah,
Speaker 2: who's gonna do something? Because those are some very very
Speaker 2: big names in terms of charisma and how they play
Speaker 2: their characters. And yeah, clearcut, Joe Hendry very much gonna
Speaker 2: be in the rumble, but I maybe thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: See, I want to give him like a minute and
Speaker 1: a half. I want to give I don't want to
Speaker 1: burn him too quick because.
Speaker 2: Then again that they already got him the first time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with the Bat's trial, that's true. Let's go to
Speaker 1: twenty one Seamus, who had a nice showing there with
Speaker 1: bron Breaker last weekend. Twenty two Trick Williams, this is
Speaker 1: my one NXT. I'm not I don't want to put
Speaker 1: Opahemi in there because it makes them look weak to
Speaker 1: get him thrown out, and that guy's just too strong looking.
Speaker 1: I don't want to open Emmy anywhere near this. I
Speaker 1: love Opahemi, And I was thinking, do I want to
Speaker 1: put Ethan Page in here? But I think it's time
Speaker 1: for Trick Williams. Let's let's get him up here instead.
Speaker 1: I think, I think, from audience perspective and involvement, Durell,
Speaker 1: I think the Trick Williams entrance is a little bit
Speaker 1: more royal rumble friendly than Ethan Page. What do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely? I mean when you did you hear that SmackDown,
Speaker 2: the one SmackDown that Trick Williams came out and he
Speaker 2: saved Carmelo Hayes and the whole place erupted. I mean
Speaker 2: the music had already stopped in the wook that trick
Speaker 2: trance kept going, Trick kept going. So yeah, you got
Speaker 2: to hear his interest music geting.
Speaker 1: Rumble all right at twenty three. Here we go John
Speaker 1: Cena at twenty three, because if you're paying to see
Speaker 1: John Cena, you gotta get him in there. But I'm
Speaker 1: not getting him in there before the twenties. It's too early.
Speaker 1: I don't want Sena interacting with everybody. He's a star,
Speaker 1: So you gotta get rid of some of those people
Speaker 1: in that first you know, fifteen twenty, and then you
Speaker 1: have a little bit of an open space here for
Speaker 1: John Seen to come in Ludwig Kaiser at twenty four.
Speaker 1: Now here's where things get interesting. So I marinated on
Speaker 1: this boys seven night's main event. I'm like, nobody loves
Speaker 1: Jacob FA two more than me. I am loving how
Speaker 1: they're making him a star. He is got the promo,
Speaker 1: he's got the athleticism, he's got the presence, he's got everything.
Speaker 1: He is it. He is believable. So why are we
Speaker 1: making him such an animal right now? Well, because I
Speaker 1: think we're going to have him in Roman Reigns be
Speaker 1: the match. I can't do the rock. Roman's really got
Speaker 1: nothing else going on right now. Roman Jacob FA two
Speaker 1: take my money. I want to see it. And it's
Speaker 1: something that I think is a big enough match where
Speaker 1: it still feels important. But we're gonna take a break
Speaker 1: after a decade of Roman being in the main event,
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably healthy for the company to do.
Speaker 1: I have him at twenty five, and here's the booking.
Speaker 1: Let's see if you can stay with me Jacob fo
Speaker 1: Tuo at twenty five, Randy Orton returning at twenty six,
Speaker 1: Logan Paula twenty seven. Again, you don't want him in
Speaker 1: there too long. Aj Style is returning at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: Solo Sokoa at twenty nine. Roman reigns at thirty and
Speaker 1: I think what you're gonna have here is a final
Speaker 1: four of Jim Jacob fa Tu. Roman reigns Fatu, eliminating
Speaker 1: Roman reigns, spurning that feud. My final four Sina Punk,
Speaker 1: Fatu and Rains. I'm trying to create something here with
Speaker 1: Fatu and Rains in this rumble, because right now Roman
Speaker 1: has no direction and to just now throw him back
Speaker 1: and I could throw him back at Cody again, to
Speaker 1: throw m a gunter feels a little forced FA two.
Speaker 1: Roman reigns Terrell. What do you think?
Speaker 2: I don't know why you don't throw him back at
Speaker 2: Cody again. My again, I think of the Royal Romo match,
Speaker 2: and I think, Okay, what's the biggest WrestleMania we can have,
Speaker 2: what's the best wrestle Meania. We can have you take
Speaker 2: your two top stars and you give him the third
Speaker 2: match that you teased. All this year, literally throughout the
Speaker 2: entire year SummerSlam. Multiple times we talked about this match
Speaker 2: being the match and ultimately, how does Roman Reigns get
Speaker 2: to that match? So, if I'm sold that it's going
Speaker 2: to be Roman Cody three, there's no way, and I
Speaker 2: promise you there's no way Roman Reigns is wrestling in
Speaker 2: an elimination and chamber qualifying match. That is not happening.
Speaker 1: So I don't either, Yeah, I don't have an happen,
Speaker 1: I just have it. I agree with you. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's in elimination chamber. I think it's Jacob FA two.
Speaker 1: I think that's the future.
Speaker 2: If you if that makes everybody a star that was
Speaker 2: that's a good way to book it, and it builds
Speaker 2: something with Roman because as of right now, if you
Speaker 2: don't think it's Roman and Cody, there's no way Roman
Speaker 2: is in a title match because he's not in an
Speaker 2: elimination chamber match, and you have to have him winging
Speaker 2: rumble if it's not going to be that.
Speaker 1: So uh, and it immediately makes Jacob FA two elevated
Speaker 1: to a whole other stratosphere, which it feels like that's
Speaker 1: the rocket chip sou that this company wants to put
Speaker 1: on him.
Speaker 3: All gas, no breaks, as he says, right, I laughed
Speaker 3: earlier because you and I have the exact same final four.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: People don't think I'm blind, but those are the four.
Speaker 3: I thought maybe Seth could sneak in there over Jacob.
Speaker 3: But if you go with the bloodline World Rumble storyline
Speaker 3: and you break off the Roman reigns and the Jacob
Speaker 3: fuck to match for WrestleMania, that leaves seeing punkin Johnson.
Speaker 3: Which way you go between those two is a different story.
Speaker 3: I thought it might have been a little bit crazy
Speaker 3: having Jacob for two in the top four. I also
Speaker 3: think he's a dark horse candidate to be the guy
Speaker 3: that has the most eliminations in the strumble. I think
Speaker 3: as soon as he gets in there, it's just gonna
Speaker 3: be like a tornado where he just like eliminates everybody
Speaker 3: left and right like an animal. And we get to
Speaker 3: that final four.
Speaker 1: And you have to have him come in late to
Speaker 1: do that, and that's the like I think you have
Speaker 1: to have that press where it comes in and he's
Speaker 1: he's throwing out you know, the ray mysterios, he's throwing
Speaker 1: out the carrying crosses, I think he's thrown out. You
Speaker 1: want to give him the trick? Williams, right, like, that's believable. Right,
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, kid, not yet, you ain't quite ready
Speaker 1: for this. That's how you start to build this star.
Speaker 1: And it feels like that's what they're doing with this guy,
Speaker 1: and it ain't wrong. It ain't wrong. So let's talk
Speaker 1: about your final four and your pick to win Terrell,
Speaker 1: and then we'll get everybody's final pick here, just to
Speaker 1: set the stage two for the Men's Royal Rumble. The
Speaker 1: odds as of recording right now John Cena plus one hundred,
Speaker 1: seth Rollins plus one twenty five se Punk plus one
Speaker 1: fifty the rock still hanging out there. I guess he's
Speaker 1: waiting for the number thirty.
Speaker 2: I don't know his numbers.
Speaker 1: Did you hear the theory to row about somebody saying
Speaker 1: that he gave Cody the ping pong ball from the
Speaker 1: Royal rum Remember the old school, you know they know
Speaker 1: dude the tumbler. I remember it was thirty one.
Speaker 2: They said that he gave him a piece of the
Speaker 2: ula Fallow Like, oh my god, that's a bad one.
Speaker 2: That's the big.
Speaker 1: Ones, all right, So give me your final four. Then
Speaker 1: based on some of these odds again long shot Roman
Speaker 1: reigns plus twelve hundreds a big long shot here actually,
Speaker 1: which I just ironic.
Speaker 2: I just don't get it. And maybe it's because I've
Speaker 2: I'm kind of sold on this is gonna be Roman
Speaker 2: and Cody three. But it's like, why tease it now?
Speaker 2: And we're gonna get this because you're not gonna just
Speaker 2: throw this at This is only a manium match. The
Speaker 2: third one is only going to be a manium match.
Speaker 2: I can't see the counter.
Speaker 1: Here's the counterpoint to Roman, and we'll see what you
Speaker 1: think of Roman Cody three. Fatigue, Right, you don't want
Speaker 1: to keep doing the same thing three years in a row.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the audience goes, you know, it's great, but we've
Speaker 1: seen it twice in a row. Maybe you let it
Speaker 1: breathe one more year, and maybe you have a twist
Speaker 1: where you finally let Cody go full Homelander, and maybe
Speaker 1: it's a different vibe by the time we get to
Speaker 1: that third one, so you can put Roman over again.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's also a matter of it's been ten
Speaker 1: years in a row for Roman in the main events,
Speaker 1: you got it at some point start to build some
Speaker 1: new main event possibilities out there. I think that's the
Speaker 1: counter argument, and.
Speaker 2: I think, hey, when you want to be the man,
Speaker 2: you gotta beaten man. And as of right now, they
Speaker 2: are the two biggest draws, and it's kind of tough
Speaker 2: your two biggest draws, and that's the match that a
Speaker 2: lot of people want to see. As much as people
Speaker 2: are so much fatigue, there's also a lot of people
Speaker 2: that that's all they're thinking about. And so I think
Speaker 2: it's two sides of the coin. So I don't know
Speaker 2: I have two winners. I haven't. I literally am fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty on it. So my final four Roman reign
Speaker 2: Sampunk and John's seen it much to the degree of
Speaker 2: you three. However, I did not have Jacob Fatu in there.
Speaker 2: I did have Seth Rollins in there as the last spot,
Speaker 2: and I booked it as that whole rumble is gonna
Speaker 2: be all of the ways that in some different way
Speaker 2: or shape or form, because I think Drew McIntire is
Speaker 2: out number five, that Seth Rollins, Drew McIntire, seem Punk
Speaker 2: all screwed themselves out of a chance to main event WrestleMania,
Speaker 2: and I think that's where this whole next two months
Speaker 2: is about to go is somehow, some way, whether it's
Speaker 2: through the Rumble, whether it's through elimination Chamber, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be the rivalry between Seth Rollins, seem Punk and Drew
Speaker 2: mckintire screwed them all out the main event. They have
Speaker 2: a triple threat match and put on the greatest match
Speaker 2: of WrestleMania in Vegas. I think that's how it's gonna go.
Speaker 2: And so with that, I think Roman and john Sen
Speaker 2: and just kind of find their ways in the championship
Speaker 2: matches because that storyline is so big and you gotta
Speaker 2: finally give it that conclusion. It's gotta be over, and
Speaker 2: it's only over with a triple threat. So I think
Speaker 2: it's I think it's Roman, but I also have Punk
Speaker 2: up there as well, because if anybody's going to get it,
Speaker 2: it's going to be Punk. He's literally come back for this.
Speaker 2: This is the thing that his career is.
Speaker 1: Sitting right all right. I've got my reasons for my winner,
Speaker 1: and they're very clear. I want to say no, I
Speaker 1: want to hear South. Since we have the same final four,
Speaker 1: who's your winner of the twenty twenty five men for
Speaker 1: a rumble.
Speaker 3: Right, So again we look at the odds since twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: nine out of the twelve winners, I've been the odds
Speaker 3: on favorite the day before. The other three again in
Speaker 3: the top four. So if you look at the odds,
Speaker 3: the top four as of right now, John Cena plus
Speaker 3: one hundred, seth Rollins plus one twenty five, seem Punk
Speaker 3: plus one fifty, The Rock I don't know why he's
Speaker 3: still up here plus eight hundred if we remove him,
Speaker 3: Roman Ring.
Speaker 1: Rosy, Yeah, yeah, twelve.
Speaker 3: I found it kind of interesting that Roman Rains went
Speaker 3: from plus seven hundred plus twelve hundred. I thought it
Speaker 3: would have been opposite the more we got into the
Speaker 3: the rumble. There's this podcast I listened to from the Bringer,
Speaker 3: The mash Man Show with David Schumaker, And because Hekaz
Speaker 3: used to be a writer for WW, he always says
Speaker 3: during his podcast, WW will tell you what they're going
Speaker 3: to do if you pay attention. And I think at
Speaker 3: the end of the go Home episode of Raw, that
Speaker 3: promo between CM Punk and Cody Rhoads, I think they
Speaker 3: were set in the stage for CM Punk and Cody
Speaker 3: Rhodes WrestleMania main event. Every day up until the recording
Speaker 3: of this podcast, I had flipped of who I thought
Speaker 3: was gonna win. I was John Steena all the way
Speaker 3: the nostalgia scene is coming back. He was the odds
Speaker 3: on Favorite, and then all of a sudden, seth Rowlins
Speaker 3: went from like plus twenty five hundred to the odds
Speaker 3: on favorite.
Speaker 2: There's a couple.
Speaker 3: I know. I would have been so happy and then
Speaker 3: that on the minus one fifty he was the odds
Speaker 3: on fair. Now he's the second one plus twenty five.
Speaker 3: I've kind of cooled off on his potentially win in
Speaker 3: if we go with the Roman reigns Jacob for two,
Speaker 3: that eliminates Romans. It leaves us with the CM punk
Speaker 3: and Cody Roads know seem punk. He's he's forty six,
Speaker 3: he's he's close to fifty, then he has forty. He's
Speaker 3: never won the Rumble. We know one of his biggest
Speaker 3: life goals is to main event WrestleMania. I don't know
Speaker 3: what you guys think. I currently think he's like, maybe
Speaker 3: outside of Cody, the hottest of the w yeahs at
Speaker 3: the universe right now. H he's been the second or
Speaker 3: third odds on Favorite every week and he's currently a
Speaker 3: plus one fifty. So like the numbers of the dad
Speaker 3: and the trends back them up, and storyline wise, I
Speaker 3: think they're just they're setting it up for us, and
Speaker 3: I think it might be flip flop where by the
Speaker 3: time we get to WrestleMania, we might not get full
Speaker 3: Cody Homelander, but I think we're gonna get Cody on
Speaker 3: the hillside and Punk as the true baby fit.
Speaker 1: I think got there.
Speaker 3: Eventually he gets Seth Rollins. That's gonna be like the
Speaker 3: B match.
Speaker 1: I know that that is the Night one WrestleMania main event.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, like it ain't. I don't think Seth enough.
Speaker 1: I think, I don't think anybody. I think right.
Speaker 2: Now there is a main and main event match, not
Speaker 2: a main event WrestleMania match, not a Night one, not
Speaker 2: where Seth Rollins is currently booked.
Speaker 1: There's nothing. What you've done with the book, Seth row
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, and it's not It's is WW you
Speaker 1: need more than that. Unfortunately, this is not This is
Speaker 1: not aw Tony Kahn fantasy booking where we just make
Speaker 1: good matches and then nobody cares the next day. This
Speaker 1: is different. This is about us getting to a point
Speaker 1: where We're engaged with Seth Rollins and Seth Rolins just
Speaker 1: lost to see him punk. Seth Rawlins feels like he's
Speaker 1: floating around in the character that's more of an entrance
Speaker 1: than a character anybody really cares about. I'm sorry, like
Speaker 1: he is kind of mid tier right now. Well, and
Speaker 1: I like Seth Rollins, I just feel like this is
Speaker 1: that's where he is. So what I want to see
Speaker 1: that match? Sure do I want to see it WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: It ain't there, and I don't think you can get
Speaker 1: it there in four months.
Speaker 2: I think it's still Wrestlemanium. Maybe not this Mania, but
Speaker 2: I think it's still a WrestleMania oh down the line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just not right now. Seth Rollins character right
Speaker 1: now is just not there. Here is the Final Four again,
Speaker 1: Rain's about to sena punk now. I'm going with CM punk.
Speaker 1: And here's a couple of reasons why. Number One, the
Speaker 1: minute John Cena came back, all he keeps talking about
Speaker 1: is the same thing. Have you ever heard him do
Speaker 1: a promo since he's come back and not say the
Speaker 1: words elimination Chamber. I think there's a reason for that.
Speaker 1: It's an international show. John Cena in Toronto is gonna
Speaker 1: have one last run in Canada and get tip his
Speaker 1: cap to everybody. And this is the farewell tour, folks,
Speaker 1: So you're gonna get Seena everywhere so they can cash
Speaker 1: in on every single thing of merch. You see the
Speaker 1: Indianapolis merch for Sina. Guess what, We're gonna have a
Speaker 1: bunch of Canadian flag merch Forsina when he goes up
Speaker 1: to Toronto. It's going to be the same thing all
Speaker 1: the way through. This is what we're going to do.
Speaker 1: And considering what happened to Punk last year, and considering
Speaker 1: with aw Punk two he's a little fragile, you want
Speaker 1: to have him win the Rumble and then put him
Speaker 1: in bubble wrap until WrestleMania. You do not want Seampunk
Speaker 1: at Elimination Chamber doing stupid things. I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 1: it's bad for business. You have him win this time around,
Speaker 1: you protect him till until you get to April to WrestleMania,
Speaker 1: and that's it, and you have him go over here.
Speaker 1: Now there's if you don't want to do Sina and Cody,
Speaker 1: which is something a lot of people want. I think
Speaker 1: Sina and Cody needs the belt personally, because you have
Speaker 1: to have that draw of Oh Sina one more time?
Speaker 1: Can he win one more championship face versus face passing
Speaker 1: the torch to Cody. It's that ultimate kind of good
Speaker 1: guy moment. It's very Hogan Warrior esque kind of feel.
Speaker 1: There only two much, much much better human beings. Can
Speaker 1: I emphasize the much there? And then what you have
Speaker 1: going on is you have the opportunity to do that match.
Speaker 1: You have a very clear night one of Cmpunk, verst Gunter.
Speaker 1: Gunter will carry He carried jay us to the best
Speaker 1: singles match he's ever had. J Uso is not a
Speaker 1: great singles wrestler, he was a good match. Gunter can
Speaker 1: carry anybody, even a forty six year old Cmpunk. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be fine, and the crowd will be very clear
Speaker 1: that night who they want to win. And I think
Speaker 1: that's something WWE wants. They want the clarity of, you know,
Speaker 1: we want Cmpunk to be I think if it's Cmpunk
Speaker 1: and Cody, that crowd's gonna be very split. Sal what
Speaker 1: do you think?
Speaker 3: But I think by the time we get there, promo wise,
Speaker 3: Spunk will win over the crowd.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree, but at the same time, if you
Speaker 1: look at the you know, if you look at the crowds,
Speaker 1: got a lot of kids, a lot of younger people,
Speaker 1: and many is one of those big events too, where
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a lot of you know, the people
Speaker 1: engage in families and stuff like that. Terrell. They've made
Speaker 1: a lot of money off Cody Rhoades and those kids
Speaker 1: who This is not like you buy a pair of
Speaker 1: jorts and a hat and you dress up like John Ceno.
Speaker 1: These kids are getting coats made to look like Cody Rhodes.
Speaker 1: It's a very different thing. I don't think you want
Speaker 1: to stick a pin in that quite yet. What do
Speaker 1: you think, Terrell?
Speaker 2: I hear everything you're saying, but I still think the
Speaker 2: seth Rolins piece is left out and he has now
Speaker 2: created himself. I know you may not like the character,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people like the character, and I
Speaker 2: think that he has, like the eddle to do, he
Speaker 2: has something to do with all of this.
Speaker 1: You said what, I think they like the entrance. I
Speaker 1: don't think the character has been defined for some time.
Speaker 1: And I think what you do is you have punk.
Speaker 1: I think you're doing two nights of SummerSlam now, that's
Speaker 1: where you have punkin and seth rawlins and you can
Speaker 1: and fire it up again if you want. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a long run for Punk at
Speaker 1: the top, to be honest, Physically, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he can handle it. But it's gonna be interesting to see.
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Speaker 1: voice heard. Those are our picks for the Rumble. I
Speaker 1: think we all agree Cody Rhoades is gonna win. We
Speaker 1: all nod yes, Cody Rose wins. You guys before let's
Speaker 1: do one conspiracy mark theory before we get out of here.
Speaker 1: Go because you don't think Seth.
Speaker 3: You don't think Seth rawlins and Gunther is a big
Speaker 3: enough wrestleming right now. So what if John Cena wins
Speaker 3: the elimination chamber and he challenges gun there? So you
Speaker 3: got Sena and gun there. And if we look at
Speaker 3: the odds, if you don't think you want to be
Speaker 3: on c and Punk because he's plus one fifty, Roman
Speaker 3: reigns at plus twelve hundred, we still have that cm
Speaker 3: Punk favorite. I was wondering Punk cashes it in and
Speaker 3: they make it a triple threat Cody Punk. Wow.
Speaker 1: I was thinking of that once again. You and I
Speaker 1: are in the same booking minds out, which is why
Speaker 1: I love you. I was thinking that same thing is
Speaker 1: when do we get the favor? And do we get
Speaker 1: it because do they pull.
Speaker 2: Men in the main event?
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, Triple h polled the same thing,
Speaker 1: and then we'll get out of here. You know the
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you want it more thing. You know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have Cody lose that first time. Do we
Speaker 1: have Punk lose the rumble lose elimination chamber and then
Speaker 1: have to call in the favor to backdoor his way
Speaker 1: into wrestle media. I mean that would be the very
Speaker 1: short abridged version. The four month version is most of
Speaker 1: the year version of waiting for Cody Rhodes. But I
Speaker 1: did think of about that this morning. Here's my only
Speaker 1: thing physically. I'm just worried about him getting there. Like
Speaker 1: I just I love where your head's at. I just
Speaker 1: worry about it. But who knows. What's the Paul Haymond
Speaker 1: favor dropped that the comments to all the speculation, Terrell
Speaker 1: sal this was super.
Speaker 3: Cool on one fun fact before if you had.
Speaker 1: Something, he's He's got one more thing before you go.
Speaker 3: He had seem punk at the thirteenth in your listening order.
Speaker 3: Only one wrestler has won Raw Rumble from the number
Speaker 3: thirteenth spot. Who do you guys think it was?
Speaker 1: From thirteen? I'm gonna go with the stone cold Seve
Speaker 1: Auston because he won a couple of times. It gives
Speaker 1: me some mounts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say Sean Michaels because he won
Speaker 2: a couple of times. I know he did it one
Speaker 2: and one time and hopefully the other one.
Speaker 1: Was he didn't one. I knew that for sure.
Speaker 3: The first rumble ever nine Jim saw Jim Doug Wow.
Speaker 1: Also a historian? Is CM punkins Well? And who was
Speaker 1: that raw recently? By the way, No, he was. He
Speaker 1: was at Saturday Sound of Man event. That's what it was,
Speaker 1: Saturday Man event. Hack saw Jim Duggan. There you go,
Speaker 1: Easter eggs, Easter eggs. Let's go, baby, let's go. It's
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