Speaker 1: Every keyto someone stoles, every key of someone lost, someone
Speaker 1: who favorite. It might have been with drug, It might
Speaker 1: have been paid with your mom's house. Does someone paid
Speaker 1: for the art? Just kill him and we need If
Speaker 1: you were a different characterized, that might have created a
Speaker 1: problem because if they see that your type of man
Speaker 1: is aggressive, I think you're gonna suck it up. I'll
Speaker 1: courts st Jackson and I'm Charlie Webster and then this
Speaker 1: is surviving old Chop. Once you brought down the drug ward,
Speaker 1: Jay and Pete found a business partner in a man
Speaker 1: named Guadalupe or Loope, who they called Uncle. He became
Speaker 1: a close family friend of the twins, but things started
Speaker 1: to unravel after Loope tried to take over the twins business.
Speaker 1: Loupe blamed them for a debt he owed to Chapo,
Speaker 1: so Chapo kidnapped Pete until the money could be paid.
Speaker 1: Jay had to take a journey to straighten things out.
Speaker 1: For Jay, just come and face to face with our
Speaker 1: chap Polson saying, but your brother's life is hanging in
Speaker 1: a bounce one one work and instantly in both of
Speaker 1: your lives. The chapboard exetrician is part of his daily routine,
Speaker 1: the same way you are might check out email every day.
Speaker 1: Jay's mission was to convince the world's most notorious drug
Speaker 1: lord that Loope, the man that Chapo trusted and had
Speaker 1: a longstanding business relationship with, was the one who was
Speaker 1: lying to him Chapel, which is out instantity, that Kingua
Speaker 1: and tell my name a real forest. He's just staring
Speaker 1: at me, dry stare, just staring. I mean, I'm like
Speaker 1: trying to give me back my hand a little bit.
Speaker 1: And and so how could I help you? How can
Speaker 1: I help you? I said, well, sir, I'm here because
Speaker 1: I'm here for my brother. Yep mm hmm. You have
Speaker 1: my timillion dollars And I said, well, that's what I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you about. Like I don't ultimnion dollars.
Speaker 1: Everyone says that. And I said, I'm here just kind
Speaker 1: of trying to out work this out with you. And
Speaker 1: I've been, you know, a good customer for many years.
Speaker 1: And I don't owe that money in I'm here to
Speaker 1: see if I could work some for my brother. And
Speaker 1: he's like, why would I believe that you don't own
Speaker 1: that money? Guard Lupa says, you owe that money? And
Speaker 1: I believe him either front of mine. I said, well, sir,
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't like to you. And he's like,
Speaker 1: this has started to be a headache, and I'm just quiet.
Speaker 1: And he said, your brother and he's your twin brother.
Speaker 1: You guys looking like? I said yeah, I said, we're
Speaker 1: looking like. And he's like, you made it here, like,
Speaker 1: what do you want? And you came up here and
Speaker 1: I have your brother. You know, I could just kill
Speaker 1: you and go about my day, right, I said, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: I said, but that's why I'm here. I wouldn't come
Speaker 1: up here wasting your time with a lie. I'm a
Speaker 1: man of my word, and I thought that that would
Speaker 1: make the difference. And he said that's fair. I said,
Speaker 1: thanks to just blain it to you. And he said sure,
Speaker 1: all right, come on, and he sat down in his chair.
Speaker 1: Whenever I sat down on his chair and were on
Speaker 1: the table and I sat on the other side of
Speaker 1: Nightcraft the ledgers. He's just staring at man and said,
Speaker 1: so a look, I'm confused, because you know, I thought
Speaker 1: I got a little bit like I just started kind
Speaker 1: of just throwing information out there. So you got you
Speaker 1: got when you're in like what exercise books like just notebooks, notebooks.
Speaker 1: So I'm opening my book. I said, first of all, sir,
Speaker 1: I thought that Lupa was kid out with my brother.
Speaker 1: I don't owe that money. But I know there's a
Speaker 1: problem because he said that what I said, They called
Speaker 1: me and said that Loopa was kidnet with my brother.
Speaker 1: Why And I'm like, I don't know, like I'm because
Speaker 1: I know I owe some money. I've been giving payments.
Speaker 1: I've been giving regular payments. There's an old debt, but
Speaker 1: what about the shipment I just received? And he's like,
Speaker 1: but you have money. Doloper too me that you're buying
Speaker 1: houses and horse races and this and that. And I'm
Speaker 1: guilty that you know, I came under run twax upon
Speaker 1: that I needed to get comfortable and I figured that
Speaker 1: a little money I owed and I'm paying them to me,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a debt that wasn't gonna be paid because
Speaker 1: I'm making payments, like bring my ladies leder out. I said, Look,
Speaker 1: I said, sir, I just gave a payment on this day,
Speaker 1: you know my brother. Actual, Look, I just gave a
Speaker 1: pret much of the kises And at first seems like
Speaker 1: you're you're showing me a bunch of that I con
Speaker 1: script the pieces of paper. I'm like, you do. I
Speaker 1: have all the accounts of all the deposits I make.
Speaker 1: I received her the shipments. And he's like, Lucas said
Speaker 1: that was his said, Lupe doesn't have no one. Lupa
Speaker 1: has me. He's like, typically, give me my lecture, topremus
Speaker 1: back downstairs, come back without note book. Give me that
Speaker 1: and he opens it up. He puts it there and
Speaker 1: he said, what was the date? I kind of walk
Speaker 1: around the I said, can I So I kind of
Speaker 1: leaned over him and I'm like the day feel last
Speaker 1: ship members this date which she was like a week
Speaker 1: before my brother I cannot and like here and he's
Speaker 1: like what day. He goes down to a bunch of numbers,
Speaker 1: neat numbers, and he goes down to the date and
Speaker 1: he goes around and he's like, yeah, that was the day.
Speaker 1: That was one of the shipments. And then and then
Speaker 1: I gave a deposit here and here put his haighiest tin.
Speaker 1: He's like looking at but one of his eyes, his
Speaker 1: right eye, it's just doesn't move. It's just like he
Speaker 1: got a lazy eye. He has this theory. I know
Speaker 1: he's thinking He's just staring at me, and I'm like afterward, like, so,
Speaker 1: how many ketos are you? Actually, Sally, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I saw all the kettles for you anywhere from you
Speaker 1: two kids a month for you, and I said, if
Speaker 1: you do the match, like I can meet them in
Speaker 1: the month. I just wasn't tell him the truth, like,
Speaker 1: but I'm not from here, like I'm from chicag I
Speaker 1: could tell. And where are you from here in Mexico?
Speaker 1: I said to him, were listen, my father is from
Speaker 1: Ta Juan, you know, give me my background for me.
Speaker 1: I said, my whole family lives there and now I
Speaker 1: up here and I've been on the run. And he
Speaker 1: kind of just real curious asked me all kinds of questions,
Speaker 1: you know, because he asked me how old are you?
Speaker 1: You know, stuff like that, like where are you from?
Speaker 1: I know that town you know? And what is your
Speaker 1: family do so drugs? That's it? And like basically, okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say, but that money is old to me,
Speaker 1: like the one responsibly woll for that money is head
Speaker 1: minerally about this and I'm not gonna forgive that that
Speaker 1: do the only thing I could tell you that you
Speaker 1: could try to work it out with him. Did you
Speaker 1: have money? Pay a ten million dollars? And he said,
Speaker 1: there's no money that's worth losing your brother. I just
Speaker 1: lost mine and I would pay whatever it is to
Speaker 1: just get my brother back. What's disappointed? Then when you
Speaker 1: come back, we could do business. You could come work
Speaker 1: for me. I could give you drugs. We could keep
Speaker 1: making money together. And I'm just like, Sir, I appreciate
Speaker 1: you telling me that right now, the only thing I'm
Speaker 1: worried about is getting my brother back. Okay, that's sorry, okay.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I can't pay the money, but I'll
Speaker 1: arrange a music You could meet all about this and
Speaker 1: you could work it out with him. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find out what look like? Why is he
Speaker 1: saying that to just see what you could do? Come
Speaker 1: back and see me, Like, go work it out with him.
Speaker 1: And they don't come back and see me. And he said,
Speaker 1: did Chap take that watch from you? And I said, no, sir,
Speaker 1: Are you sure? I said, no, Sir, I gave it
Speaker 1: to him. Why would you give it to him? I said,
Speaker 1: because he's bringing me to meet you. You don't owe
Speaker 1: him nothing for this. You want to watch back. I said, no, sir,
Speaker 1: I said it was a gift, and how much is
Speaker 1: a white worth? Like afty, that's why you don't have
Speaker 1: the ten million dollars to pay me because you want
Speaker 1: to be giving stuff like that away. Those things will
Speaker 1: mean nothing to me. You know, my brother's life as
Speaker 1: well means everything to me. And I just felt like
Speaker 1: whoever was helping me deserve something. He like, I'll get
Speaker 1: back and watch and I was like, no, that's that
Speaker 1: was a little bit like strange story because he was
Speaker 1: still being It was like he didn't like the steam
Speaker 1: part eating like somebody taking advantage, but it just re
Speaker 1: spontis and he said, excuse me for what I think
Speaker 1: he went somewhere, he answered calls he did something because
Speaker 1: he came back. He can't get over that. Looper was like,
Speaker 1: he was like, there's no way. I told him, like
Speaker 1: just think about this. Look told you that we owed
Speaker 1: him money, but yet he's telling us that he's kidnapped too.
Speaker 1: And he asked, is that what he's saying? Yeah, why
Speaker 1: that's what he told us to say. It was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, put his hand in chill like he whispered like, oh,
Speaker 1: looka what did you do like you know, in a
Speaker 1: light voice, and then he said, I don't like liars.
Speaker 1: I'm just like quiet, like like lions and sister. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that he's lying. All I'm saying is that
Speaker 1: this is a misunderstanding. And he said, you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to the bottom of this. And he said,
Speaker 1: I'm not letting your brother go. No, I want the money.
Speaker 1: He's like, this is what I want you to do.
Speaker 1: I'm going to send you back with a couple of
Speaker 1: my guys and you gonna said, you're gonna talk to him.
Speaker 1: And I was like, like, are you sure he's gonna know?
Speaker 1: Now that we know he's he's lying, you can put
Speaker 1: my life in danger. Now he's not gonna touch you.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, how do we know that?
Speaker 1: He said because I said so. It didn't say wow
Speaker 1: with me. I was just envisioning, like because I know him,
Speaker 1: I know what he's capable. So he said, I want
Speaker 1: you to go back on you by recorder. Put in
Speaker 1: your pocket, you put it somewhere just I want I
Speaker 1: want you to talk to him. I want you to
Speaker 1: record him. I want to listen to everything else to say.
Speaker 1: If you record him, and I think he's lying. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll we'll talk. You're gonna be in a better situation.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's easy. Don't want you
Speaker 1: to tell him that any move happens. I'm telling right
Speaker 1: now if anything happens to him or to one of
Speaker 1: you guys whoever, just saying I'm gonna wipe out his
Speaker 1: whole family. Oh oh say now, I was like something
Speaker 1: I'm probably never thought about, especially not in that business
Speaker 1: like recording someone. I remember thinking, is that the way
Speaker 1: he because he's stuck in the mountains, that the way
Speaker 1: he was able to like no, what was true and
Speaker 1: what was not? Like because he's not able to sit
Speaker 1: with people, I guess you know physically all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you wonder how much was being recorded during that time,
Speaker 1: you know what? Like every time, like I couldn't say
Speaker 1: he was stare at me like a lot like something.
Speaker 1: It was like a more observation and sometimes was like
Speaker 1: that stare like obser rich. I could see him just
Speaker 1: like kind of like looking at me like yeah, and
Speaker 1: basically was like, Okay, well it was nice meeting you,
Speaker 1: and good luck, hopefully you get your brother back. That hurt.
Speaker 1: It was almost like you were. I've reached this high
Speaker 1: of thinking everything was gonna work out, and I was
Speaker 1: very disappointed my first encounter, like meeting him. It wasn't like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I wasn't impressed. I was scared. For sure.
Speaker 1: I had been there. I'm there in pressure with him,
Speaker 1: thinking like is this the person that everyone's always talked about?
Speaker 1: And he's probably looking at me like who the funk
Speaker 1: are you. I had all those emotions of maybe, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like I'm here. I didn't remember thinking like
Speaker 1: be careful what you wish for. I could have been
Speaker 1: a little bit like start struck a little bit. At
Speaker 1: the same time, one thing for sure is that he
Speaker 1: was nothing different from all the you know, all these
Speaker 1: older men that my father had introduced me to me
Speaker 1: as a kid. Yeah, I went back the same route
Speaker 1: back when we were getting back kind of late, just
Speaker 1: the whole famite. I was exhausted, but I was just
Speaker 1: like I just I was lost. I was back to
Speaker 1: square one, like now I meant the people, but still
Speaker 1: like nothing changed now how at that time, it was
Speaker 1: kind of starting to get upset. Looked there like why
Speaker 1: would he do this? And it kind of like started
Speaker 1: making sense. I started putting together that we owed him
Speaker 1: say that we were ten million dollars was because he
Speaker 1: must have received a shipment of drugs and try to
Speaker 1: branch out without us. That didn't work out, and now
Speaker 1: he didn't have the money. He needs us to actually
Speaker 1: pay the debt. And if we were going to stop
Speaker 1: receiving the same shipments from him, how was he going
Speaker 1: to pay to that? And he looked at like, well,
Speaker 1: too bad, I'll make the pain. That's their problems. I
Speaker 1: was talking to me like I was disappointed. I was
Speaker 1: kind of feeling lost, and I said, maybe he's right,
Speaker 1: maybe I should just no matter what pay I went
Speaker 1: back that day and said, listen, I'm gonna call you
Speaker 1: so you could actually me all the violence where this
Speaker 1: person is. They came on livirus, and you can talk
Speaker 1: to him who we're He's gonna be okay, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be good, like we're gonna work it out. I made
Speaker 1: our way back. Oh so happened to be able to
Speaker 1: call out like, baby, I'm good. It's like what happened?
Speaker 1: You know? She still kind of motion to what happened.
Speaker 1: I could you imagine I was there for a gone
Speaker 1: for hours or six hours something what happened. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna I remember telling you it's not gonna be that easy.
Speaker 1: And I said, I guess there's that oh, that kind
Speaker 1: of springing turn. I said, I'm in chapple and she
Speaker 1: said what I said him in trouble? Are you serious?
Speaker 1: She said, I said yeah, And what happened that he
Speaker 1: wasn't the nicer. I remember telling her that. He said,
Speaker 1: don't tell mebe don't tell me if anything. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: I'm looking working. Then we've got there's a couple of hurdles,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna work it out. M H asked me
Speaker 1: to go and to record the man that has you know,
Speaker 1: was responsible for putting me in this problem. And now
Speaker 1: I understand it's not going to be a nice meeting,
Speaker 1: and I have to go. I can't say no, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna leave my brother behind it, and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: look like a liar. And I said, let's go. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to radio shack and I bought these little recorders,
Speaker 1: our c A recorders. How about one? I kind of like, actually, guy,
Speaker 1: how does this work? And he kind of showed me
Speaker 1: how it worked in the head off us b as
Speaker 1: a USB. It was a digital one. Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll take it. You know, once I had in my hand,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, how do you use this? It's,
Speaker 1: you know, just a little bit smaller than the phone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like what half the size and
Speaker 1: with a iPhone. I by the recorder. I started like
Speaker 1: like messing with it, and I'm thinking that this meaning
Speaker 1: is gonna happen like soon, a few days whatever, how
Speaker 1: many days passing. Finally we get to call that it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen today. So he's like, okay, well, we'll be
Speaker 1: there in half an hour. I still remember him saying,
Speaker 1: we're going in peace, right, We're going to talk. He's okay,
Speaker 1: just making sure and he said, okay, let's go. Chapo
Speaker 1: made sure that his men stayed with Jay the entire
Speaker 1: time until he could figure out who was lying. So
Speaker 1: it was a team of four who headed out to
Speaker 1: Loupey's house. Happeners. So Rawley and Ja so we take
Speaker 1: a couple of cars, three cars, I think we drive past.
Speaker 1: We actually drive black. The road is held black away
Speaker 1: from his home that we have to drive them. I
Speaker 1: think I felt that was close to my brother, like
Speaker 1: weirdly because that was the last spot I know he
Speaker 1: went to. I have the record in my package. I
Speaker 1: keep testing it out, Like when we get to the house,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of mucosos, So that already kind of
Speaker 1: has me not feeling well. Ye, we're jumping out the
Speaker 1: vehicles the gates there. As soon as we walk into
Speaker 1: the gated park, all of us, the doors opened. A
Speaker 1: bunch ofmin come out with They are fifteen. They have
Speaker 1: police uniform down. They are fifteen, like keep your hands up,
Speaker 1: keep your hands up. Looper comes to the door. He
Speaker 1: has at his stuck on his head, his son right
Speaker 1: behind him. They have like six man sevendments. They have
Speaker 1: a couple of their security part These are six seven
Speaker 1: like federal police or who the shall is right? State
Speaker 1: police from another state? They aren't. We all put our
Speaker 1: hands up and he sees happen ess and they said
Speaker 1: not him, and nobs like listen, not anyone. We come
Speaker 1: in peace that we come to talk and I have
Speaker 1: orders and no one touches it. Now I's nervous. I
Speaker 1: have the record in my pocket. You know they're gonna
Speaker 1: search me. I can't like back step. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: we need to talk. They're fine. He said, they're fine. Well,
Speaker 1: I need to talk to you guys, like, let me
Speaker 1: talk to us, Let me come inside, let me talk.
Speaker 1: Lupa walks inside and we stay in that little port.
Speaker 1: Everyone guns pointing at us. Let the funk, I just
Speaker 1: I just do. Lupa comes back and he said, okay, listen,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk. He comes back up. We're gonna talk.
Speaker 1: I guess the person in charge of that. It's kind
Speaker 1: of pointing to your fifteen and me. So he says,
Speaker 1: turned around. You know, he can taps me. Turn around,
Speaker 1: and he just sat the back of my pants, the
Speaker 1: front of my pants, and he doesn't go my jeans pant.
Speaker 1: I had the record in my pocket and he's turned
Speaker 1: an he kind of ludged me, and the other guys
Speaker 1: are searching when he was playing you wait, like, oh well,
Speaker 1: I was hoping, like hopefully they're so stupid they don't
Speaker 1: even know what it is. Right, it could be a phone, right,
Speaker 1: you know, we were also when I would hear him said,
Speaker 1: Chapa said we're here to talk Chappo Center. You know,
Speaker 1: like it kind of like made me feel like I
Speaker 1: was safe. Tapa said, right, the doors opened I've been
Speaker 1: to hisself plenty of times. Luca looks at me. He's
Speaker 1: breathing loud and and like just nodded my head and
Speaker 1: he he retires sign to shake it, and I shook
Speaker 1: his hand shaken and and he's like, you know, he's
Speaker 1: breathing under his nose really like hardened. I got angry way.
Speaker 1: It's since he's into like four year a real like
Speaker 1: we have to kind of school over, you know, to
Speaker 1: let everyone in. And here it comes sous and rolling
Speaker 1: and he extends his hand to the souls and so
Speaker 1: let's get the funk out of here. And he pulled
Speaker 1: that fuck motherfucker. You're gonna respeck me my motherfucking house, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: And they're like hey, you know, like stop like you know,
Speaker 1: stop tap on this. It's just like so it's just chill.
Speaker 1: They're not as bush like you're gonna respect me. And
Speaker 1: he's talking to like, no, come on, like how am
Speaker 1: I going to respect you? I'm gonna respect you? This
Speaker 1: is bullshit, like you know, and I'm just like just chill,
Speaker 1: just chill, you know, commotion help on is like still
Speaker 1: trying to be like listen, just calm down. He just
Speaker 1: kind of turns his hand away, so they kind of
Speaker 1: guide me to the dining room, and he puts the
Speaker 1: gun to my back like he's making sure that I'm
Speaker 1: feeling the gun on my side. They sent me in
Speaker 1: the head of the table. There's barely enough room for
Speaker 1: the gunmen to kind of like he had to pull
Speaker 1: his gun back to kind of like have enough room,
Speaker 1: and then he just put it right in the back
Speaker 1: of my head. The whole time you just had it there.
Speaker 1: Get started off like this said why did you do this?
Speaker 1: Just like that, and You're like, shut up. I've never
Speaker 1: seen him like dad, I shut up, buck, and he
Speaker 1: got in my face. He's pissed, and I just kind
Speaker 1: of try to ignore him, and they just started talking.
Speaker 1: I was like, why would you do this? I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Is I don't owe you that money? And he's like, yes,
Speaker 1: you're sucking to mother and shouting. I'm like, let's go
Speaker 1: through the let's go to the quinta, let's go let's
Speaker 1: look at the numbers. I don't understand. Why would you
Speaker 1: do this? It just kind of went out for a while.
Speaker 1: He's been recorded, so I know, so I'm kind of
Speaker 1: trying to provoke that conversation from him and me went
Speaker 1: out for like an hour and a half of just commotion.
Speaker 1: In the beginning was a little bit timid, but I
Speaker 1: just said, fuck it, man, like maybe child molest men.
Speaker 1: They kind of gave me that confidence, but I just
Speaker 1: got upset and I just started shouting back. I was
Speaker 1: just like, that's some fucking bullshit. Why the did you
Speaker 1: come and say that you were kind at too? If
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to owe you this money, why didn't you
Speaker 1: just come getting you know where the funk I live?
Speaker 1: Like I'm swaying, And at one point, Lupo took his
Speaker 1: gun on and hit me. He kind of missed me,
Speaker 1: but he it was with his left time he took
Speaker 1: it off his hip. I went like all that want
Speaker 1: motion and hit me over my head. And when he
Speaker 1: did that, everyone got up there like don't fucking touch him,
Speaker 1: don't touch him. The barrel of the gun went into
Speaker 1: my neck. I think it settled me, like I was like,
Speaker 1: oh shot batory. I of me like it was like
Speaker 1: a live scream like commotion. He so, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: let your He's I'll kill him before I let him go,
Speaker 1: he said, And as a matter of fact, you're gonna
Speaker 1: bring me the fucking money. I want my money here,
Speaker 1: he said, go and get your money. You have it.
Speaker 1: You have a lot of money you made. I've seen
Speaker 1: you make the money, all these houses and all these
Speaker 1: fucking horses. And now I see the jealousy. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the fund is it to hear what I buy
Speaker 1: with my money. I'm like, he's just throwing all these
Speaker 1: things at me like jealousy. I started to just let it,
Speaker 1: let things go on. I feel like I had enough
Speaker 1: on the recording to like say, okay, I think I
Speaker 1: was done. We got up, but I kind of sensed
Speaker 1: that over the time that barrel the could kind of
Speaker 1: started kind of loosening it up a little bit. I
Speaker 1: went to shake lupasana heat he turned away and all
Speaker 1: that time and shook all the causes him as I
Speaker 1: was there. They walked it out with the guns still raised,
Speaker 1: and we left just all these thoughts. We're just going
Speaker 1: to them. I have the record. Everyone jump in the
Speaker 1: truck and stopped the recording. The recording what's going for
Speaker 1: like and take like two hours almost, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I try to play it back, and I kind of
Speaker 1: hurt things that I didn't want to hear like, I'm
Speaker 1: not even gonna listen to this. So we make our
Speaker 1: way back to Gurgan put the recording back to the
Speaker 1: trip to see Chapel. This time is actually Army fatigues
Speaker 1: and Tim's has Tim boots and Army fatigues. He increached
Speaker 1: me the narca way, you know, hey, he's like differently
Speaker 1: now a little bit more. This is familiar, you know,
Speaker 1: how are you like nice? And he tells me, you
Speaker 1: guys got the recording. Yeah, and he takes the recording
Speaker 1: from us, and he's like, I don't even how to
Speaker 1: work it. So I kind of grabbed it. I just
Speaker 1: kind of went, you know, I started to kind of
Speaker 1: it has that little like fifteen seconds forward, a small forward,
Speaker 1: but I kind of look for that conversation. I just
Speaker 1: let it play. I'm not gonna let you. I'll kill
Speaker 1: him before letim go. And it's a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: you're gonna bring me the fucking money. I want my money. Here,
Speaker 1: go and get your money. You have it. You have
Speaker 1: a lot of money. You made. I seen you make
Speaker 1: the money, and you're gonna come buy all these houses
Speaker 1: and all the fucking horses. And why would you do this,
Speaker 1: I don't understand. And he had listened to recording that
Speaker 1: he just was like kind of lost in the recording.
Speaker 1: Shot he listened to him leaving kind of shut it off.
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, little Pa, you lied to me.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to take care of that. But since
Speaker 1: you've been gone, you know, I talked to, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of the people, and no matter what happens,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay that money. He looked at me.
Speaker 1: He said, listener, I just lost my brother not so
Speaker 1: long ago. It had been a few months. They had
Speaker 1: shot his brother while he was imprisoned. They shot him
Speaker 1: in prison. He said, I'll give all the money in
Speaker 1: votes to have my brother back. Obviously you're making money,
Speaker 1: Obviously you have nice things. Pay the money, you have
Speaker 1: your brother back, and then we'll go back to work.
Speaker 1: In my hand like this is boss. They're supposed to
Speaker 1: be a you know, the business I know from Mexico
Speaker 1: is supposed to be what's right is right, what's wrong
Speaker 1: is wrong. And I just told you that was right.
Speaker 1: What didn't matter, he said, I'm gonna put you in
Speaker 1: contact with some people who are gonna collect the money
Speaker 1: from me. Just work it out, get your brother back,
Speaker 1: and then we could do business. And basically thanked, Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. What was I gonna do is I said,
Speaker 1: appreciate it? And right then and then I just said,
Speaker 1: all right, you know what, I'm just gonna focus on
Speaker 1: paying back to money. So I started collecting money, started
Speaker 1: making payments. I think I have given them like six
Speaker 1: million dollars. It was taking me some time, Like I'm
Speaker 1: collecting money, you know, the hardest part is to collect
Speaker 1: like all the money off the street. We had just
Speaker 1: finished paying a debt, you know, from the last season.
Speaker 1: But we're living right still. I'm thinking, yet our company
Speaker 1: is taking a hit, but we're living. We probably had
Speaker 1: spent ten million dollars in just setting up in Mexico.
Speaker 1: It's taking me a little bit of time. And my
Speaker 1: brothers still tied up. And then next you know, he
Speaker 1: like it went from being okid to like and he
Speaker 1: was like, listen, you're brothers sick. And I remember saying,
Speaker 1: next sick of what? He like, I think his liver
Speaker 1: or something. I guess the hydration. He's out well, so
Speaker 1: and you need to hurry. And I remember that I
Speaker 1: was getting anxious. I was like Listen, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: him a word. I'm paying you every dollar, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure I think like four million dollars. I have around
Speaker 1: three million dollars worth of jewelry that you go hold.
Speaker 1: I'm not asking your take. I'm asking you hold it,
Speaker 1: and then I'll pay you back the money. He said,
Speaker 1: you know, usually when we take that, we want double.
Speaker 1: And I said, listen, I'll give you a deed. You know,
Speaker 1: I have a deed for a three million dollar house
Speaker 1: and the jewelry. He said, all right, I'm gonna send
Speaker 1: my brother to look at this stuff. I remember, I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right. We kind of set up and I told
Speaker 1: about Bab and brought all the jewelry on the table. Listen,
Speaker 1: we're gonna give him the jewelry, but we're gonna be fair.
Speaker 1: I don't care I spent five or something. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be really fair. We're not gonna over ask or over
Speaker 1: value something. I used to have those insecurits. I used
Speaker 1: to do dumb things because you could who I am today,
Speaker 1: and at times I never changed who I was. But sometimes,
Speaker 1: like you know how people get drunk and they are stupid. Well,
Speaker 1: my drunk was a little bit like having money, you know,
Speaker 1: my drunkness, so I might be like be happy when
Speaker 1: they spent five d jewelry. Christmas will come and I
Speaker 1: we could spend a million dollars on gifts, not for me,
Speaker 1: for my associates, for my workers. Just gives. The jeweler
Speaker 1: came in handy day because I remember that he brought
Speaker 1: a jeweler over him to appraise the jewelry. And I'll
Speaker 1: never every day. He was seeing the big pieces of
Speaker 1: r and he whispered something and he's like, could you
Speaker 1: give me a minute in my house. I walked away
Speaker 1: in the sure and he came back. He said, hey,
Speaker 1: we have a problem. Some of these things are way
Speaker 1: more than you know. God had put tags on the
Speaker 1: tags on every little piece, so some of these pieces
Speaker 1: are way more more more than what I said. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not here to play games. I know there. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to be fair. And then they looked at
Speaker 1: me like, I go, okay, he only saw like he
Speaker 1: didn't see all the pieces. After that they were like,
Speaker 1: let's not even think about it, let's just take it.
Speaker 1: So they just grabbed it, okay, like they didn't have
Speaker 1: a fair seen it. After that they took my word
Speaker 1: like and I remember he called his bood. He said, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm here with this, you know. He said, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be surprised he undervalued all the jewelries. Uh he if
Speaker 1: he tells you guys four, it's really more. But all right,
Speaker 1: he got from more dollar with the jewelry and he
Speaker 1: has a thea here for a big gass house. M
Speaker 1: m hm hm, m hm m hm. The next day,
Speaker 1: I get a call early in the morning. It's olivirus.
Speaker 1: He said, hey, listen, your brother is not well. He
Speaker 1: said it everything that you know I've known of you,
Speaker 1: it seems like you're you're a man of your word,
Speaker 1: and that that says a lot. He said, I don't
Speaker 1: want your house. I don't want your jewelry. I want
Speaker 1: my money. Now, do give me your word that you're
Speaker 1: gonna pay me back my money and I'll let your
Speaker 1: brother for to day. He said, it's Mother's Day. I
Speaker 1: could only imager what your mom was feeling, and your
Speaker 1: mom should have could mother day. And they said, you're
Speaker 1: putting me in a situation that anyone in my situation
Speaker 1: will give you the word. But I mean that you
Speaker 1: have my word, not because I don't have a choice
Speaker 1: because I want my ship back. And he was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll get back to and hung up. Rumor
Speaker 1: called an hour later. He said, could you believe this
Speaker 1: fucking old man don't want to let your brother go.
Speaker 1: He was a reference to Lupe. H mm hmm. I
Speaker 1: got sick like I was in pain. I had like
Speaker 1: a brainy sharp pain on my right side of my stomach.
Speaker 1: I remember just having a whole those those deep emotions
Speaker 1: in my heart. I remember hearing them, they're gonna bring
Speaker 1: me a doctor, thinking what kind of doctor comes and
Speaker 1: treats a captain person? At least they're not letting me die.
Speaker 1: And then once they see me in a really bad condition,
Speaker 1: maybe around the fourteen day, comes straight to offer me
Speaker 1: food that they cook, you know, like you gotta eat.
Speaker 1: You're don't die, you really, you try to make it up.
Speaker 1: I could see it you're not looking at and that
Speaker 1: he does me. And I've seen people die like this.
Speaker 1: Great thanks. I couldn't eat like my by that time.
Speaker 1: My happsitde was you're not eating for two weeks? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I coudn't even eat. But he bound me something the
Speaker 1: Mexican like cookies with the marshmallow and the cocolan them,
Speaker 1: you know, and I remember like trying to eat something.
Speaker 1: He bought some Gatora And there's been a little more
Speaker 1: like like there was no things that Hill keep torturing me,
Speaker 1: like you're looking at me probably like yeah, you're not
Speaker 1: looking too good and this whole time, but they like
Speaker 1: trying to get get anything out of you know. The
Speaker 1: only thing the exactly about working for chapl Mile like no,
Speaker 1: you chopl Mile, that's a struggle his lady what didn't
Speaker 1: say much? You know. And I hear the radios and
Speaker 1: China on the radios and stuff, and you know they're
Speaker 1: in their combat boots and they have their full you
Speaker 1: know army here. How does this? Just sitting there one night,
Speaker 1: two in the morning, I hear a lot of commotion
Speaker 1: and I was just like I was saying, what's going on? Yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: get me able to come on? Get up? I agrealized
Speaker 1: how weak I felt and help fa teat I felt,
Speaker 1: walk me out. They probably back on the truph do
Speaker 1: you drive me and drive Lee? And they I see,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a dark, completely pitch dark rolls that
Speaker 1: don't have lights like you know, street lights and highway
Speaker 1: lights and they were off the road again to another
Speaker 1: bumpy road. Were like maybe ten minutes. Who are you
Speaker 1: thinking at that time? That was okay? I was dust scarious,
Speaker 1: m m. They finally stopped. They pulled me out, walking
Speaker 1: in towards the back of vehicle. I see the red
Speaker 1: of the brake light. Second, yeah, and I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of standing there. Kicks me in the back of the knee.
Speaker 1: And that moment I was like, there's a whole summer
Speaker 1: and we were tell you listen, not even I'm not
Speaker 1: even say nothing. I might hold my peace and just
Speaker 1: whatever happens does not matter here, you know, just thinking
Speaker 1: about my brother, feeling so much regret at the same
Speaker 1: time a little bit of peace, but sad to think,
Speaker 1: like that's the way you look at life, your short life.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's really filming, you know, once that happens,
Speaker 1: if feeling too something to my back pocket, I feelt
Speaker 1: doing something, you know, I've felt my messy on my shoes,
Speaker 1: you know, rememberthing like I wish I had a paper
Speaker 1: and pen, like I could write my name down and
Speaker 1: put my own name in my shoes so someone refinds
Speaker 1: me they know who I had and he crass my
Speaker 1: hand like pressed a piece of paper, like I'm handcuffed
Speaker 1: in the front in the press of piece of paper.
Speaker 1: And he tells me, you're lucky. This is your brother's
Speaker 1: phone number. He saved your life. But don't get up,
Speaker 1: cant hunter, don't turn on. Don't when we come back,
Speaker 1: count hunted. And I'm just thinking, uff, if this really happened,
Speaker 1: is he really gonna let me call h Yeah. I
Speaker 1: hear the vehicle move away. I'm like right away searching,
Speaker 1: you know, handcuffs like I know he took the kem
Speaker 1: out day and he did pitch black. I can't even
Speaker 1: see so my hand. I could feel that he put
Speaker 1: a phone in my pocket. You know. I'm like trying
Speaker 1: to like do everything at the same time. I'm pansy.
Speaker 1: I'm getting gradful. Take the cupps up. I remember just
Speaker 1: taking composers up a little bit too. Only phone he
Speaker 1: gave me it was like her, you know, like a
Speaker 1: dirty dollar Nokia phone with a flash and it's like
Speaker 1: the first hole that came out with a little flash
Speaker 1: and the topic is clear twice and I can't see nothing.
Speaker 1: He was completely pitch black, like I couldn't see the
Speaker 1: hand from my face, like it was like it might
Speaker 1: bl end. It was just so dark, you know, there's
Speaker 1: no life. He wanted me a little bit to look
Speaker 1: upon this characters he starves and finally like find the
Speaker 1: way to remove the cut. And I hear like animals
Speaker 1: around me, you know, like moving around, like I can't
Speaker 1: see it like this see him. I can see one
Speaker 1: street bike far away, at least a mile away, like
Speaker 1: I said, the shape of the shadow of building. I
Speaker 1: don't know where I'm at. I'm looking at the phone.
Speaker 1: I was like, I know he went that way. I
Speaker 1: think I'm not even sure where that way it was.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm gonna walk through the street seeps
Speaker 1: O help me seets some gold me like at least
Speaker 1: where I'm at. So it's like three four in the morning,
Speaker 1: I'm walking no service, feeling so tired. I literally would
Speaker 1: sit on the floor and just hear animals around me
Speaker 1: like I'm th is cattle grazing or something like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of walking down that hill, so darving, so tired,
Speaker 1: and it's so tired, like I couldn't move that I
Speaker 1: can think like I've never thought this fatigue them out
Speaker 1: like I can't even pick my legs up. And then
Speaker 1: I can hear dogs, party parting arts, and then I
Speaker 1: was I'm getting close. I see it's like a big
Speaker 1: heard of dogs like and grabbing big old rods something
Speaker 1: like that doesn't killing me right, and walking and I
Speaker 1: still a couple of little houses, like one room houses,
Speaker 1: and the ability was like a small school. I remember
Speaker 1: looking at the name of school and I'm like kind
Speaker 1: of like knocking on their fans, excuse me, like it's
Speaker 1: going to help me. Nobody will come up. I can
Speaker 1: imagine how that is, So that's another thing to imagine
Speaker 1: how I look. And I said, this ain't no work.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk back the other way. But that was
Speaker 1: like an uphill and there it took me like I
Speaker 1: don't know. Now we're gonna have for something. Wow. And
Speaker 1: I look in the phone and I walking and seeing
Speaker 1: getting a little signal the phone rings. I just remember
Speaker 1: hearing then for his voice. At that time, he kind
Speaker 1: of felt like forever. Just hearing his voice would like
Speaker 1: I think relieved for me. I don't even think that
Speaker 1: I even he was able to feel anything. Then I
Speaker 1: couldn't write. But if I'm good to be able to
Speaker 1: hear his voice, and you know, I'm like, where are you?
Speaker 1: And he's like, I don't know. I'm so weak, I
Speaker 1: can't even you can't walk. I see a light far away.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk towards the light. And then he would
Speaker 1: take three ex after like three steps, I see a light.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess that that's maybe a light on the
Speaker 1: road or something. It's just so dark. I'm just scared.
Speaker 1: H And I remember him saying I thought I was
Speaker 1: gonna die. I can't even say that. I was like,
Speaker 1: you now, you're gonna be a kids. You're good now,
Speaker 1: Herry upcome. I don't know where I'm at, And I said,
Speaker 1: I know that you're somewhere by Lucas, right, So I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna head that way. I remember, like, you know
Speaker 1: now I'm driving so and I'm like, listen, how do
Speaker 1: I know where you are? Like to me realities for me,
Speaker 1: like I could be you know, another state, you're in
Speaker 1: the state I don't even know. I'm gonna turn out
Speaker 1: my hazard lights and flash my lights. Couldn't you see anything?
Speaker 1: And he was like, I see you. I pro you
Speaker 1: are so far away, You're somewhere else. You're so far away,
Speaker 1: a flashing and flashing. We had a handcuff because he's like,
Speaker 1: at the battery is low. He said, I need to
Speaker 1: see the battery because he was using the flashing and
Speaker 1: he'd call me and I'd flash my lights and turn
Speaker 1: my hands and he's like, you're getting closer, You're getting closer.
Speaker 1: They're can be good for a minutes. And if I
Speaker 1: hadn't be like got to them. I remember getting to
Speaker 1: the light where he was in. I kind of just
Speaker 1: stopped the trucking middle road and I looked and he
Speaker 1: was trying to walk up. I've just seen a different person.
Speaker 1: And he was like, we're already small. He was small.
Speaker 1: He was like unrecognizable to me, us filthy. When we
Speaker 1: got up you know, to truck and which is hard,
Speaker 1: and kissed. It was like I was gonna die. I
Speaker 1: thought I did. I never see it again, and he
Speaker 1: said like holding me, like he's small until he probably
Speaker 1: he's probably one twenty. He probably left a one seven.
Speaker 1: He came back at one. His eyes are just sunking,
Speaker 1: and I felt like I was looking at death, like
Speaker 1: that's how it looks, and he can't stay up when
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like holding it man, I hugging him.
Speaker 1: We're crying, and and he said we have to go,
Speaker 1: and he's like, what about lope? See okay, Peter still
Speaker 1: thinks he's getting up. I said, I don't want develop
Speaker 1: it and no kids like what. I opened the door,
Speaker 1: helped him in the truck and he's just like really,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like his stenches like unbearable. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to hold back like me gagging. You know, like how
Speaker 1: did it sound like every imaginable thing you could think of,
Speaker 1: like just just pet smart, just it's awful. He was
Speaker 1: locked in alone. I guess in the summertime. Well, he
Speaker 1: couldn't get off to bed and he was blind for
Speaker 1: for twenty something days. I only need of the current
Speaker 1: him sat backwards on that head res I just I
Speaker 1: did want to hold you. And I'm driving. He's just
Speaker 1: like hugging me, rob me his head like you know,
Speaker 1: it's probably just say he's just like everybody said against too.
Speaker 1: I'm just holding on to you while you're driving. And
Speaker 1: his beard was long and big beard A guy. I
Speaker 1: think I was gonna see you like I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: going to kill me say, and he was like you
Speaker 1: know when he asked about everyone. I'm like, they're okay,
Speaker 1: They're okay, you know, And he was like, what happened?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm in a chopp Surviving l Chapo.
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