WEBVTT - Episode 6 - Meeting El Chapo 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:05.600 Every keyto someone stoles, every key of someone lost, someone 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:08.280 who favorite. It might have been with drug, It might 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:11.680 have been paid with your mom's house. Does someone paid 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:17.640 for the art? Just kill him and we need If 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.840 you were a different characterized, that might have created a 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:24.040 problem because if they see that your type of man 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:42.959 is aggressive, I think you're gonna suck it up. I'll 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.120 courts st Jackson and I'm Charlie Webster and then this 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.520 is surviving old Chop. Once you brought down the drug ward, 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.240 Jay and Pete found a business partner in a man 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:07.640 named Guadalupe or Loope, who they called Uncle. He became 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.960 a close family friend of the twins, but things started 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.440 to unravel after Loope tried to take over the twins business. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.280 Loupe blamed them for a debt he owed to Chapo, 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.720 so Chapo kidnapped Pete until the money could be paid. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:26.880 Jay had to take a journey to straighten things out. 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.360 For Jay, just come and face to face with our 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.480 chap Polson saying, but your brother's life is hanging in 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.560 a bounce one one work and instantly in both of 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.640 your lives. The chapboard exetrician is part of his daily routine, 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.160 the same way you are might check out email every day. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.280 Jay's mission was to convince the world's most notorious drug 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.200 lord that Loope, the man that Chapo trusted and had 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.640 a longstanding business relationship with, was the one who was 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:04.200 lying to him Chapel, which is out instantity, that Kingua 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.000 and tell my name a real forest. He's just staring 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.760 at me, dry stare, just staring. I mean, I'm like 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:12.800 trying to give me back my hand a little bit. 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.280 And and so how could I help you? How can 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:21.960 I help you? I said, well, sir, I'm here because 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:30.000 I'm here for my brother. Yep mm hmm. You have 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:34.400 my timillion dollars And I said, well, that's what I 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:39.239 wanted to talk to you about. Like I don't ultimnion dollars. 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:45.960 Everyone says that. And I said, I'm here just kind 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.919 of trying to out work this out with you. And 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.680 I've been, you know, a good customer for many years. 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.519 And I don't owe that money in I'm here to 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:57.480 see if I could work some for my brother. And 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.720 he's like, why would I believe that you don't own 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.160 that money? Guard Lupa says, you owe that money? And 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.040 I believe him either front of mine. I said, well, sir, 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.040 I mean I wouldn't like to you. And he's like, 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:17.000 this has started to be a headache, and I'm just quiet. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.519 And he said, your brother and he's your twin brother. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.800 You guys looking like? I said yeah, I said, we're 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:29.040 looking like. And he's like, you made it here, like, 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.359 what do you want? And you came up here and 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.800 I have your brother. You know, I could just kill 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:39.800 you and go about my day, right, I said, yes, sir, 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.480 I said, but that's why I'm here. I wouldn't come 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:48.720 up here wasting your time with a lie. I'm a 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.440 man of my word, and I thought that that would 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:58.119 make the difference. And he said that's fair. I said, 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.800 thanks to just blain it to you. And he said sure, 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:06.839 all right, come on, and he sat down in his chair. 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:08.880 Whenever I sat down on his chair and were on 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:10.640 the table and I sat on the other side of 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:14.520 Nightcraft the ledgers. He's just staring at man and said, 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:18.880 so a look, I'm confused, because you know, I thought 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:20.440 I got a little bit like I just started kind 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.840 of just throwing information out there. So you got you 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:29.360 got when you're in like what exercise books like just notebooks, notebooks. 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:34.920 So I'm opening my book. I said, first of all, sir, 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.160 I thought that Lupa was kid out with my brother. 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.480 I don't owe that money. But I know there's a 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:47.320 problem because he said that what I said, They called 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:51.520 me and said that Loopa was kidnet with my brother. 0:04:54.240 --> 0:05:00.400 Why And I'm like, I don't know, like I'm because 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.640 I know I owe some money. I've been giving payments. 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:07.040 I've been giving regular payments. There's an old debt, but 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.920 what about the shipment I just received? And he's like, 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.280 but you have money. Doloper too me that you're buying 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:19.320 houses and horse races and this and that. And I'm 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.160 guilty that you know, I came under run twax upon 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.480 that I needed to get comfortable and I figured that 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.600 a little money I owed and I'm paying them to me, 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.160 it wasn't a debt that wasn't gonna be paid because 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:41.880 I'm making payments, like bring my ladies leder out. I said, Look, 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:46.120 I said, sir, I just gave a payment on this day, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.040 you know my brother. Actual, Look, I just gave a 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.120 pret much of the kises And at first seems like 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:52.800 you're you're showing me a bunch of that I con 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:57.000 script the pieces of paper. I'm like, you do. I 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.880 have all the accounts of all the deposits I make. 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:05.240 I received her the shipments. And he's like, Lucas said 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.120 that was his said, Lupe doesn't have no one. Lupa 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:16.440 has me. He's like, typically, give me my lecture, topremus 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:23.840 back downstairs, come back without note book. Give me that 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.120 and he opens it up. He puts it there and 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.880 he said, what was the date? I kind of walk 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.800 around the I said, can I So I kind of 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.440 leaned over him and I'm like the day feel last 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.520 ship members this date which she was like a week 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:45.719 before my brother I cannot and like here and he's 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.880 like what day. He goes down to a bunch of numbers, 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.120 neat numbers, and he goes down to the date and 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:55.600 he goes around and he's like, yeah, that was the day. 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.680 That was one of the shipments. And then and then 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:04.880 I gave a deposit here and here put his haighiest tin. 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:10.600 He's like looking at but one of his eyes, his 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:15.760 right eye, it's just doesn't move. It's just like he 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:20.640 got a lazy eye. He has this theory. I know 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:28.000 he's thinking He's just staring at me, and I'm like afterward, like, so, 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:33.000 how many ketos are you? Actually, Sally, I'm like, well, 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:37.440 I saw all the kettles for you anywhere from you 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.320 two kids a month for you, and I said, if 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.120 you do the match, like I can meet them in 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:50.560 the month. I just wasn't tell him the truth, like, 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.280 but I'm not from here, like I'm from chicag I 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.800 could tell. And where are you from here in Mexico? 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:58.480 I said to him, were listen, my father is from 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.760 Ta Juan, you know, give me my background for me. 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:06.560 I said, my whole family lives there and now I 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.960 up here and I've been on the run. And he 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.480 kind of just real curious asked me all kinds of questions, 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.200 you know, because he asked me how old are you? 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.040 You know, stuff like that, like where are you from? 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.120 I know that town you know? And what is your 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:34.840 family do so drugs? That's it? And like basically, okay, well, 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.719 I'm sorry to say, but that money is old to me, 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.440 like the one responsibly woll for that money is head 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:52.079 minerally about this and I'm not gonna forgive that that 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.040 do the only thing I could tell you that you 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:57.520 could try to work it out with him. Did you 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:03.960 have money? Pay a ten million dollars? And he said, 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.640 there's no money that's worth losing your brother. I just 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.920 lost mine and I would pay whatever it is to 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:18.640 just get my brother back. What's disappointed? Then when you 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:23.080 come back, we could do business. You could come work 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:28.240 for me. I could give you drugs. We could keep 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:33.640 making money together. And I'm just like, Sir, I appreciate 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.439 you telling me that right now, the only thing I'm 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:45.959 worried about is getting my brother back. Okay, that's sorry, okay. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.600 And he's like, I can't pay the money, but I'll 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.599 arrange a music You could meet all about this and 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.640 you could work it out with him. And you know, 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:57.079 I'm gonna find out what look like? Why is he 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:01.480 saying that to just see what you could do? Come 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.560 back and see me, Like, go work it out with him. 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:09.880 And they don't come back and see me. And he said, 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:14.360 did Chap take that watch from you? And I said, no, sir, 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:19.319 Are you sure? I said, no, Sir, I gave it 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.800 to him. Why would you give it to him? I said, 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:28.880 because he's bringing me to meet you. You don't owe 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:33.439 him nothing for this. You want to watch back. I said, no, sir, 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.240 I said it was a gift, and how much is 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:41.959 a white worth? Like afty, that's why you don't have 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:43.920 the ten million dollars to pay me because you want 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:48.800 to be giving stuff like that away. Those things will 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.120 mean nothing to me. You know, my brother's life as 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.360 well means everything to me. And I just felt like 0:10:55.760 --> 0:11:01.199 whoever was helping me deserve something. He like, I'll get 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:05.280 back and watch and I was like, no, that's that 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.000 was a little bit like strange story because he was 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.760 still being It was like he didn't like the steam 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:17.839 part eating like somebody taking advantage, but it just re 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.400 spontis and he said, excuse me for what I think 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.760 he went somewhere, he answered calls he did something because 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:29.559 he came back. He can't get over that. Looper was like, 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:35.520 he was like, there's no way. I told him, like 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:40.480 just think about this. Look told you that we owed 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:45.640 him money, but yet he's telling us that he's kidnapped too. 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:52.720 And he asked, is that what he's saying? Yeah, why 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:58.280 that's what he told us to say. It was just like, 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:04.679 you know, put his hand in chill like he whispered like, oh, 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.480 looka what did you do like you know, in a 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:14.440 light voice, and then he said, I don't like liars. 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.120 I'm just like quiet, like like lions and sister. I'm 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:25.199 not saying that he's lying. All I'm saying is that 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:31.679 this is a misunderstanding. And he said, you know, we're 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:36.480 gonna get to the bottom of this. And he said, 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.800 I'm not letting your brother go. No, I want the money. 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.679 He's like, this is what I want you to do. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:49.280 I'm going to send you back with a couple of 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:53.040 my guys and you gonna said, you're gonna talk to him. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:58.199 And I was like, like, are you sure he's gonna know? 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.280 Now that we know he's he's lying, you can put 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.520 my life in danger. Now he's not gonna touch you. 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.439 And I was like, well, how do we know that? 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:16.680 He said because I said so. It didn't say wow 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:21.719 with me. I was just envisioning, like because I know him, 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.280 I know what he's capable. So he said, I want 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:30.120 you to go back on you by recorder. Put in 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.400 your pocket, you put it somewhere just I want I 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.000 want you to talk to him. I want you to 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.520 record him. I want to listen to everything else to say. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:48.000 If you record him, and I think he's lying. You know, 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.040 we'll we'll talk. You're gonna be in a better situation. 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:55.640 And I was like, oh, that's easy. Don't want you 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.360 to tell him that any move happens. I'm telling right 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.520 now if anything happens to him or to one of 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.719 you guys whoever, just saying I'm gonna wipe out his 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:19.480 whole family. Oh oh say now, I was like something 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.480 I'm probably never thought about, especially not in that business 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:27.040 like recording someone. I remember thinking, is that the way 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:31.120 he because he's stuck in the mountains, that the way 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.960 he was able to like no, what was true and 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.480 what was not? Like because he's not able to sit 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.600 with people, I guess you know physically all the time. Yeah, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.520 you wonder how much was being recorded during that time, 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.080 you know what? Like every time, like I couldn't say 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.920 he was stare at me like a lot like something. 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.960 It was like a more observation and sometimes was like 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.000 that stare like obser rich. I could see him just 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:02.560 like kind of like looking at me like yeah, and 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.240 basically was like, Okay, well it was nice meeting you, 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:12.440 and good luck, hopefully you get your brother back. That hurt. 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.440 It was almost like you were. I've reached this high 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:19.520 of thinking everything was gonna work out, and I was 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:26.880 very disappointed my first encounter, like meeting him. It wasn't like, 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:32.560 oh my god, I wasn't impressed. I was scared. For sure. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:36.280 I had been there. I'm there in pressure with him, 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:40.080 thinking like is this the person that everyone's always talked about? 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.800 And he's probably looking at me like who the funk 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:55.600 are you. I had all those emotions of maybe, oh 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.240 my god, like I'm here. I didn't remember thinking like 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:05.280 be careful what you wish for. I could have been 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.840 a little bit like start struck a little bit. At 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:13.320 the same time, one thing for sure is that he 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.920 was nothing different from all the you know, all these 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.880 older men that my father had introduced me to me 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:29.960 as a kid. Yeah, I went back the same route 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:46.840 back when we were getting back kind of late, just 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.040 the whole famite. I was exhausted, but I was just 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:53.920 like I just I was lost. I was back to 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:56.400 square one, like now I meant the people, but still 0:16:56.600 --> 0:17:00.760 like nothing changed now how at that time, it was 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.600 kind of starting to get upset. Looked there like why 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.399 would he do this? And it kind of like started 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.760 making sense. I started putting together that we owed him 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.159 say that we were ten million dollars was because he 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.520 must have received a shipment of drugs and try to 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.120 branch out without us. That didn't work out, and now 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.800 he didn't have the money. He needs us to actually 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.359 pay the debt. And if we were going to stop 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:24.840 receiving the same shipments from him, how was he going 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.720 to pay to that? And he looked at like, well, 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:33.920 too bad, I'll make the pain. That's their problems. I 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.000 was talking to me like I was disappointed. I was 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:37.960 kind of feeling lost, and I said, maybe he's right, 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:46.880 maybe I should just no matter what pay I went 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.560 back that day and said, listen, I'm gonna call you 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:54.800 so you could actually me all the violence where this 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.720 person is. They came on livirus, and you can talk 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:02.560 to him who we're He's gonna be okay, you're gonna 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:14.360 be good, like we're gonna work it out. I made 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:20.639 our way back. Oh so happened to be able to 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:25.959 call out like, baby, I'm good. It's like what happened? 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:27.800 You know? She still kind of motion to what happened. 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:29.200 I could you imagine I was there for a gone 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:35.280 for hours or six hours something what happened. It's not 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.760 gonna I remember telling you it's not gonna be that easy. 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:42.880 And I said, I guess there's that oh, that kind 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:44.639 of springing turn. I said, I'm in chapple and she 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.000 said what I said him in trouble? Are you serious? 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:52.560 She said, I said yeah, And what happened that he 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:58.800 wasn't the nicer. I remember telling her that. He said, 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:04.160 don't tell mebe don't tell me if anything. Yeah, that's 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.840 I'm looking working. Then we've got there's a couple of hurdles, 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:27.800 but we're gonna work it out. M H asked me 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:31.639 to go and to record the man that has you know, 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.440 was responsible for putting me in this problem. And now 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.280 I understand it's not going to be a nice meeting, 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:41.640 and I have to go. I can't say no, I'm 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:43.960 gonna leave my brother behind it, and then I'm gonna 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:49.320 look like a liar. And I said, let's go. I'm 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:54.400 gonna go to radio shack and I bought these little recorders, 0:19:55.080 --> 0:20:01.680 our c A recorders. How about one? I kind of like, actually, guy, 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.000 how does this work? And he kind of showed me 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.280 how it worked in the head off us b as 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:12.639 a USB. It was a digital one. Okay, you know, 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.680 I'll take it. You know, once I had in my hand, 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:20.040 I was like, okay, how do you use this? It's, 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.680 you know, just a little bit smaller than the phone. Yeah, 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.000 and it's kind of like what half the size and 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:32.000 with a iPhone. I by the recorder. I started like 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.000 like messing with it, and I'm thinking that this meaning 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:40.119 is gonna happen like soon, a few days whatever, how 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.800 many days passing. Finally we get to call that it's 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.520 gonna happen today. So he's like, okay, well, we'll be 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:50.240 there in half an hour. I still remember him saying, 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:55.920 we're going in peace, right, We're going to talk. He's okay, 0:20:56.040 --> 0:21:01.280 just making sure and he said, okay, let's go. Chapo 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.160 made sure that his men stayed with Jay the entire 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.639 time until he could figure out who was lying. So 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:09.720 it was a team of four who headed out to 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:23.840 Loupey's house. Happeners. So Rawley and Ja so we take 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:28.200 a couple of cars, three cars, I think we drive past. 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.800 We actually drive black. The road is held black away 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.920 from his home that we have to drive them. I 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:39.000 think I felt that was close to my brother, like 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:43.080 weirdly because that was the last spot I know he 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:48.399 went to. I have the record in my package. I 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:52.440 keep testing it out, Like when we get to the house, 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.119 there's a bunch of mucosos, So that already kind of 0:21:56.200 --> 0:22:06.240 has me not feeling well. Ye, we're jumping out the 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:11.920 vehicles the gates there. As soon as we walk into 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.720 the gated park, all of us, the doors opened. A 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:18.680 bunch ofmin come out with They are fifteen. They have 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:22.000 police uniform down. They are fifteen, like keep your hands up, 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:27.720 keep your hands up. Looper comes to the door. He 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:36.000 has at his stuck on his head, his son right 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:42.600 behind him. They have like six man sevendments. They have 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:44.720 a couple of their security part These are six seven 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:47.240 like federal police or who the shall is right? State 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:51.560 police from another state? They aren't. We all put our 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:57.440 hands up and he sees happen ess and they said 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:03.159 not him, and nobs like listen, not anyone. We come 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.960 in peace that we come to talk and I have 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:15.760 orders and no one touches it. Now I's nervous. I 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:21.240 have the record in my pocket. You know they're gonna 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:27.520 search me. I can't like back step. And then he's like, 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:34.840 we need to talk. They're fine. He said, they're fine. Well, 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:36.680 I need to talk to you guys, like, let me 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:38.400 talk to us, Let me come inside, let me talk. 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:45.400 Lupa walks inside and we stay in that little port. 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:50.480 Everyone guns pointing at us. Let the funk, I just 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:57.240 I just do. Lupa comes back and he said, okay, listen, 0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:59.320 we're gonna talk. He comes back up. We're gonna talk. 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:04.520 I guess the person in charge of that. It's kind 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:06.760 of pointing to your fifteen and me. So he says, 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:09.160 turned around. You know, he can taps me. Turn around, 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:14.399 and he just sat the back of my pants, the 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:18.280 front of my pants, and he doesn't go my jeans pant. 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:20.560 I had the record in my pocket and he's turned 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.280 an he kind of ludged me, and the other guys 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:32.760 are searching when he was playing you wait, like, oh well, 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:34.800 I was hoping, like hopefully they're so stupid they don't 0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:37.159 even know what it is. Right, it could be a phone, right, 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:40.600 you know, we were also when I would hear him said, 0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:44.520 Chapa said we're here to talk Chappo Center. You know, 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:48.240 like it kind of like made me feel like I 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:55.959 was safe. Tapa said, right, the doors opened I've been 0:24:56.000 --> 0:25:01.240 to hisself plenty of times. Luca looks at me. He's 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:04.680 breathing loud and and like just nodded my head and 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:08.920 he he retires sign to shake it, and I shook 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:19.040 his hand shaken and and he's like, you know, he's 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:24.320 breathing under his nose really like hardened. I got angry way. 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:28.399 It's since he's into like four year a real like 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:30.200 we have to kind of school over, you know, to 0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:32.880 let everyone in. And here it comes sous and rolling 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:37.280 and he extends his hand to the souls and so 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:42.160 let's get the funk out of here. And he pulled 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:47.919 that fuck motherfucker. You're gonna respeck me my motherfucking house, motherfucker. 0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:53.840 And they're like hey, you know, like stop like you know, 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.600 stop tap on this. It's just like so it's just chill. 0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:00.720 They're not as bush like you're gonna respect me. And 0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:03.240 he's talking to like, no, come on, like how am 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:06.800 I going to respect you? I'm gonna respect you? This 0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.920 is bullshit, like you know, and I'm just like just chill, 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:15.600 just chill, you know, commotion help on is like still 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:19.720 trying to be like listen, just calm down. He just 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:23.359 kind of turns his hand away, so they kind of 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:29.080 guide me to the dining room, and he puts the 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:33.080 gun to my back like he's making sure that I'm 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:37.520 feeling the gun on my side. They sent me in 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:44.000 the head of the table. There's barely enough room for 0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.240 the gunmen to kind of like he had to pull 0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:49.840 his gun back to kind of like have enough room, 0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:52.720 and then he just put it right in the back 0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:56.800 of my head. The whole time you just had it there. 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:07.040 Get started off like this said why did you do this? 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:13.400 Just like that, and You're like, shut up. I've never 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:17.359 seen him like dad, I shut up, buck, and he 0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:24.720 got in my face. He's pissed, and I just kind 0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:26.600 of try to ignore him, and they just started talking. 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:29.280 I was like, why would you do this? I don't understand. 0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:31.800 Is I don't owe you that money? And he's like, yes, 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:35.960 you're sucking to mother and shouting. I'm like, let's go 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.520 through the let's go to the quinta, let's go let's 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:42.480 look at the numbers. I don't understand. Why would you 0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:46.480 do this? It just kind of went out for a while. 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.480 He's been recorded, so I know, so I'm kind of 0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:54.320 trying to provoke that conversation from him and me went 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:57.119 out for like an hour and a half of just commotion. 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:01.440 In the beginning was a little bit timid, but I 0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:06.119 just said, fuck it, man, like maybe child molest men. 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:09.040 They kind of gave me that confidence, but I just 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:13.200 got upset and I just started shouting back. I was 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.280 just like, that's some fucking bullshit. Why the did you 0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:18.639 come and say that you were kind at too? If 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:20.399 I'm supposed to owe you this money, why didn't you 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:23.240 just come getting you know where the funk I live? 0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:27.639 Like I'm swaying, And at one point, Lupo took his 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:32.000 gun on and hit me. He kind of missed me, 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:35.120 but he it was with his left time he took 0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:37.440 it off his hip. I went like all that want 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:42.920 motion and hit me over my head. And when he 0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:46.239 did that, everyone got up there like don't fucking touch him, 0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:51.280 don't touch him. The barrel of the gun went into 0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:58.280 my neck. I think it settled me, like I was like, 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:04.280 oh shot batory. I of me like it was like 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:07.280 a live scream like commotion. He so, I'm not gonna 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:09.840 let your He's I'll kill him before I let him go, 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.920 he said, And as a matter of fact, you're gonna 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:17.520 bring me the fucking money. I want my money here, 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:21.280 he said, go and get your money. You have it. 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:23.600 You have a lot of money you made. I've seen 0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:29.680 you make the money, all these houses and all these 0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:32.880 fucking horses. And now I see the jealousy. I'm like, 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:34.280