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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly. He is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and it is a beautiful Friday. Is

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Speaker 2: great to be back on the air here, Great to

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Speaker 2: be in Pittsburgh today in such a beautiful day.

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Speaker 3: And cope everyone's enjoying that great weekend lined.

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Speaker 2: Up absolutely As we head into almost a holiday week,

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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Suppose probably only work in two three days next week.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, next week we kick off July, which means

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Speaker 2: we are much closer to the start of training camp.

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Speaker 2: And Matt, in my five for Friday Today on Steelers

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Speaker 2: dot Com, I pose the question who might be the

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Speaker 2: Steelers first time Pro Bowlers?

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Speaker 3: Okay, and I came up with there are.

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Speaker 2: Several names that I that I thought of in regard

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Speaker 2: to that, But the two guys that I came up

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Speaker 2: with who I think had the best chance, Okay, Alex

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Speaker 2: high Smith, Pat Frowermouth.

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Speaker 3: Good ones. Okay, So you've I assume you did this

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Speaker 3: research and I'm just going off the top of my head.

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Speaker 3: I assume Russell Wilson has been yes, Nause is not

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Speaker 3: Yes he has has he okay? As any o'ligneman I no, okay,

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Speaker 3: And none of the other receivers slash tight ends have

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Speaker 3: gone I assume correct. Maybe Patterson Patterson probably did. Patterson

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Speaker 3: is a return Yeah, and Boswell probably has well, I'll

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Speaker 3: get that out of the way. Yeah, TJ obviously has,

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Speaker 3: Cam obviously has Minka has Queen Queen did Queen did? Okay,

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Speaker 3: Porter has not, Porter is not. He might be my pick.

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Speaker 2: Well, he was in my mentioned guys that I mentioned. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the reason I I I didn't go with him as

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Speaker 2: a defensive player is because it's very difficult at that position.

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Speaker 2: A there's a lot of guys that climb over. You've

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Speaker 2: got SA, You've got Sauce Gardner in the AFC, You've

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Speaker 2: got they still do.

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Speaker 3: A FC NFC right, Yeah, okay, Yeah, you've certained, you

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of there's a name, rossehold names, and

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Speaker 2: you probably to get there have to have a bunch

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Speaker 3: I say, numbers are hard there. Yeah, And if you

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Speaker 3: don't get thrown that much, you're not gonna get down correctly,

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Speaker 3: So I see your logic there, but I think he

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Speaker 3: could be one of the best.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a kind that kind of player, the

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Speaker 2: caliber player.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm not saying I expect it, but it would

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Speaker 3: not be shocked if he's a top four or five

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Speaker 2: Like, the thing that I struggled with with him was

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Speaker 2: even when you look at the lists of of the

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Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus came up there list of top cornerbacks

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Speaker 2: heading into the season, he was thirty second on that list.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well behind Devin Witherspoon. Even though when you look

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Speaker 2: at their numbers.

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Speaker 3: Both rookies, same rookie years, right.

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Speaker 2: They were very I mean, there wasn't a lot to

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Speaker 2: separate the two, and Witherspoon, despite only playing in third

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Speaker 2: team games, finishes third in the in the Rookie of

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Speaker 2: the defensive Rookie the year voting, Porter finishes fifth. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was the name, like, oh, he was the first

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Speaker 2: round guy. He was top ten draft picks, so therefore

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Speaker 3: As you know, and a lot of people I'm sure

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Speaker 3: do too. This is really true for like guards and

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Speaker 2: Which is why I didn't pick any of those guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, like you almost have to have a

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Speaker 2: I think that's why I picked high Smith on defense

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Speaker 2: Now established himself with the fourteen and a half sax

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Speaker 3: If he gets close to that, right, Yeah, as a guy.

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Speaker 2: Who's all keep an eye on this guy. Now, last

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Speaker 3: He's a lesser player.

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Speaker 2: He had seven and a half sacks last year, he

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Speaker 3: Okay, it had and you don't have to be first

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Speaker 2: You know, this had no business going, no, right.

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Speaker 3: And so obviously if it was high Smith's season the

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Speaker 3: that's a good point. So again, Pro Bowls a little sticky,

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to get some of these out of

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Speaker 2: So last year, the outside linebackers were t J. Watt,

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Speaker 3: in a four to three stack. Blah blah blah. Okay,

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Speaker 3: but I don't I wouldn't worry a lot about high

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Speaker 3: but they'll probably go as a linebacker anyways, you know,

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Speaker 3: think that's very warranted on him. I think that's a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, and I think when you

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Speaker 2: the pre f F grades are what they are, sure,

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Speaker 2: but all the edge statistics that you look at out there,

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Speaker 3: And frankly, I mean all of us that watched every

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Speaker 2: Is that where he got the fourteen and a half

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Speaker 2: nineteen sacks. He probably you know, if TJ only has

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Speaker 3: Or if TJ misses two or three games against teams

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Speaker 3: so the the analytic nerds will tell you pressure rate,

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Speaker 3: which I don't one hundredercent believe because someone's like he's

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Speaker 3: had a pressure and you know, sacks. A sack is

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Speaker 3: stickier than sacks, you know. So I think that's kind

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Speaker 3: of the case with high Smith is maybe he got

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Speaker 3: a little lucky two years ago with his big sack number,

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Speaker 3: Maybe got flag little unlucky last year.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I'll find the middle somewhere now,

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Speaker 2: get ten or eleven.

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Speaker 3: But if the players doing the same thing both those years,

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Speaker 3: it's all gonna balance out, right, Okay, good one Porter.

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Speaker 3: I also thinks in the conversation.

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Speaker 2: My argument on the offensive side for Friarmouth, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Gonna get there in a second. I don't think Benton

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Speaker 2: There, probably not a defensive tackle because you're fighting Cam

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's also the Watt Heisman situation.

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Speaker 2: You gotta you better have big sack numbers. And there's

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Speaker 3: there's tons of them. Also, I think Benton might be

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Speaker 3: a perfect example of becomes a full time player, play

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Speaker 3: seven hundred fifty snaps, starts to get on Sports Center

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Speaker 3: a bunch, and then next year he's the guy. You

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Speaker 3: know what I mean? Ed could line up otherwise. I mean,

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Speaker 3: maybe one of the other linebackers has a blow up season,

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Speaker 3: and I was thinking maybe it would be Wilson. If

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Speaker 3: get them off the field. Yeah, it's probably more of

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Speaker 3: a Rookie of the Year thing than it is probol thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I found I figured more guys on the offense

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Speaker 2: or sad things, just because there are quite a few

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Speaker 2: defensive guys that have been there, right, and if the

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Speaker 2: defense is good, that helps your case too.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Offense, there's a lot of candidates.

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Speaker 2: Though, I mean George Pickens comes to mind, of course.

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Speaker 2: Right, there's so many wide receivers that you get a

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Speaker 3: But it's far from inconceivable. I mean, you can definitely

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Speaker 3: have a Pro Bowl year one or two dudes gets

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Speaker 2: Seventy five catchers for thirteen hundred yards and ten touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say like twelve, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: those things are those numbers could happen. He's going to

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Speaker 3: good one. Mentioned.

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Speaker 2: The offensive lineman loaded, you know, if they run the ball, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: as we as we think they you know, can you

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Speaker 2: know you could see something, you know, one or two

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Speaker 2: the offensive line, it takes a year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. And for the guards, especially guards and centers. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean there's just you know, there's no stats. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think Roder Jones, because he was a first round pick,

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Speaker 3: on that radar. He could be I mean yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean of all the linemen, I would bet him probably first,

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Speaker 3: maybe Isaac I mean, Isaac's been around and it's pretty established,

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Speaker 2: But my case for Frarmuth and tight end Kelsey went

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Speaker 2: last year.

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Speaker 3: I bet he doesn't even attend this year. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean if he gets voted.

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Speaker 2: Ingram and then Joku were the other guys, okay, like

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Speaker 2: friar Moth just as talented as as.

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Speaker 3: He could be with those guys.

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Speaker 2: Those guys, and then Joku made it last year with

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Speaker 3: Which is a good year.

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Speaker 2: It's a good year.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's probably the third best year of AFC

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still not sold that he might not be better

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Speaker 2: I'm getting a bart all right. Absolutely absolutely. Let's take

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Speaker 2: a break. He is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lollie.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolli. He is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt I'm looking here Brian Diardo, who we'll

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Speaker 3: Was always like this conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that I necessarily agree.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we can, we can figure that out.

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Speaker 2: We get the vote, absolutely. So the first guy on

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Speaker 3: So my first criteria for this conversation is some of

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Speaker 2: The first couple of years.

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Speaker 3: First year War two was looked like a bust. But

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Speaker 3: I think so yeah, because I don't think he could

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Speaker 3: and he has not. He's still really good. I leaned

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Speaker 2: So here's in order to be considered a player has

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Speaker 3: That's fair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so you needed five votes to be.

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Speaker 3: But that's not the way it worked.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a lot of big catch seasons, move

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's too. I didn't think of that, and I

439
00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,480
Speaker 3: was going to say too, if I was presenting him,

440
00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 3: I would say, other than Brady, what's he really had

441
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,879
Speaker 3: at that position? Going even back to Manziel and me,

442
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,359
Speaker 3: like one of those two made the other and it

443
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,840
Speaker 3: wasn't Manzel.

444
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,960
Speaker 2: In fact, that was my argument. You know, when you

445
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,679
Speaker 2: looked at Menzel, so much of his tape that you

446
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 2: saw was just him throwing the ball up in the

447
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 2: air and Mike Evans running beneath it right jumping somebody

448
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,200
Speaker 2: to go get it. He just tossed the ball in

449
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,120
Speaker 2: the middle of the field and play.

450
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he has some unique stuff. I think he's in.

451
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:58,960
Speaker 3: I'm not even sure if he has to play another game.

452
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry he got seven votes.

453
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 3: See this is a really interesting conversation because if you

454
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,639
Speaker 3: go look at all time rushing leaders, he has to

455
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,920
Speaker 3: double his career double it to get the Emmett.

456
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 2: He's five hundred yards short of ten thousand for his career. Okay,

457
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,880
Speaker 2: there are a number of running backs who have ten

458
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 2: thousand or more in aren't in.

459
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Speaker 3: But I still think he's a no brainer, Yes, because

460
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,880
Speaker 3: I think him and McCaffrey are clearly the best at

461
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 3: what they did for a long enough stretch. Even if

462
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 3: he flops in Baltimore, he's pretty unique, and I think

463
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 3: that the criteria for running backs has to decrease.

464
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 2: Well, and he's one of just eight players in NFL

465
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 2: history to rush for two thousand yards. Now that's guys

466
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 2: like Jamal Lewis is one of those.

467
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean not all of them are. Not all

468
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 3: of them are Johnson.

469
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, those guys aren't going to the Hall of Fame.

470
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 3: Right, right, But it's one more thing to distinguish yourself.

471
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a two time league rushing champion. Know early

472
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 2: in his highlight.

473
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 3: Tape is really good. Yeah, I mean it's a fun watch.

474
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 3: But I think he's definitely.

475
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 2: I mean he's gonna finish. Let's say he plays two

476
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 2: or three more years, he's gonna have over eleven thousand yards.

477
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe twelve.

478
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that gets you into the conversation a

479
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 2: little bit more.

480
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 3: It does. I did a podcast a while back when

481
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 3: it was a quiet time that Emmett's rushing totals might

482
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 3: be the most unattainable record in football anymore. He's had

483
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Speaker 3: eighteen thousand. Yeah, I mean, like, no one's gonna do

484
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 3: it that long or hold up that long, you know,

485
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 3: and Henry's like the closest in recent memory. There are

486
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Speaker 3: some like well Frank Gore was I would say, like

487
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 3: Gore and Peterson, I mean were the old school throwback

488
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 3: give them the ball over and over and over.

489
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Speaker 2: It's it's none of those guys, you know, when you

490
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 2: look at those three guys in particular, Gore, Peterson, Peterson, Henry, Yeah,

491
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: catch the football.

492
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 3: Now as to say, I don't know how.

493
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: All the touches are almost all rushing.

494
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Speaker 3: Like I think Henry is really valuable to the Ravens,

495
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 3: but more so the most teams like Tennessee changed the coaches.

496
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 3: You know, they're a much more progressive thinking right or

497
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 3: wrong about Look at the running backs they have. They

498
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 3: have little guys that catch passes, you know, dynamic players.

499
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 3: But if you're gonna have Henry, you have to have

500
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Speaker 3: a certain type of offense, you know, and he's not

501
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 3: going to catch the ball. But Lamar makes that work

502
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 3: just fine. You know, they didn't need Gus Edwards catch the.

503
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 2: Ball next guy on the list, I think he's in

504
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 2: Henry is Cam Hayward. He just missed again, and I

505
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: know he needed five votes. He got four.

506
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that Man of the Year thing.

507
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,959
Speaker 2: Is that helps huge, But you also look at it

508
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: in terms of, you know.

509
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 3: More playoff success would help. He's been a hundred sacks, a.

510
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 2: Four time All Pro.

511
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't hurt. All Pro and All Pro Bowl,

512
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah he's made.

513
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: He's made All Pro and the Pro Bowl at both

514
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: defensive end end listed as a defensive.

515
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Speaker 3: Tackle, Okay.

516
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: I mean honestly, you could make an argument that over

517
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 2: the last decade in the Aaron Donald era, yeah, he's

518
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 2: been the second best defensive tackle in the league. Yeah,

519
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 2: behind a guy a lot of people look at is

520
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: maybe the best defensive tackle in the league.

521
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 3: His ever ever y right right right? I mean yeah,

522
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: I mean, like Chris Jones and some of these other

523
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: guys haven't done it as long, Fletcher Cox wasn't quite

524
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 3: as good. I don't think Fletcher Cox has a chance.

525
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 2: Ye Again, I had somebody argue with me a couple

526
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: of weeks ago and when I wrote something about Hayward

527
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: did well, Fletcher Cox is a better player. No, he

528
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 2: had a better year once, really good.

529
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeh. I mean he's gonna get his number retired

530
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: in Philly.

531
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Speaker 2: Didn't sustain it, like Hayward has.

532
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 3: No no, and he hasn't reinvented himself. I don't think

533
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: Cam goes today, but that's not the case with these guys.

534
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 3: Hundred sacks would be big, one hundred sacks eight. I

535
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 3: think he's have this conversation right now.

536
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 2: He's at like eighty and a half.

537
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 3: Okay, So if he could do three years, win a

538
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: playoff game or two get the hundred sacks, yeah, I

539
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 3: mean the fact that Seymour went I think helps him

540
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 3: a lot.

541
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: Helps Yeah.

542
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 3: I mean because some of these guys that position, in.

543
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 2: Fact that Brian Young went too. Yeah, those guys were

544
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: both voted on the year that that I did the

545
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame vote, and neither made it that year.

546
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah right, But I heard the arguments for both and.

547
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 3: How they influenced the game and all that.

548
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: You know, A big part of the argument for Bryant

549
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 2: Young was, well, he he won the forty nine Ers

550
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: Good Guy Award like six straight years or something like that, like,

551
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 2: which is great, which is all well and good?

552
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, man of the year. No. I mean Cam wins

553
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 3: a bunch of team awards every year too. I mean

554
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 3: that's that's great, but it's not the same. No, right,

555
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 3: that's not Hall of Fame stuff.

556
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill, Yes, he got seven votes.

557
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 3: Yes, I think he's one of the most underrated wide receivers.

558
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 2: Vote for Tyreek Hill. And again we're talking about wide

559
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: receivers here. Yeah, and that's this is the problem with

560
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. I mean, it's a problem, but

561
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: it's not it's not a problem. I get it. We

562
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: talked about the log jam at wide receivers.

563
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, these are.

564
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: Three guys here that we've already talked about.

565
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 3: Now that he's actually fourth, we include Allen fourth r Right.

566
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: Four guys there are you know, these wide receivers are

567
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: putting up such ridiculous video game like numbers. Where do

568
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: you draw the line at.

569
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 3: I just think he's better than all of them. I

570
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: get it, you know that's what you're saying there.

571
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: It's just very difficult when people when people look at

572
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: Waterstont Wall, he should be a Hall of Famer. Okay, then,

573
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: which tell me which wide receivers were also on the list.

574
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: You're taking them.

575
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: Over exactly, and again it's only gonna get harder with

576
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: as much as the NFL swiming football. I think Hill

577
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: could retire now. And what I said about him being

578
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 3: an all time underrated I think when you look at

579
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: the best receivers that ever lived, Rice is like Brady,

580
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 3: I mean, like I think Moss is too.

581
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: Those are the numbers that will never be.

582
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 3: That's the one they'll never touch. The good point, I

583
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: think Tyreek's in the conversation with third best ever.

584
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 2: Over two hundred.

585
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: Rice, yeah, I mean had like two Hall of Fame

586
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 3: careers like some of these guys, but I think Tyreek

587
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 3: might be number three. They're the hardest receivers ever to

588
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: play against, like him or Calvin Johnson or you know

589
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 3: guys like that freaks.

590
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: Next guy on here is another wide receiver. So five

591
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: of these guys are wide receivers. This one's DeAndre Hopkins.

592
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: He only got four votes.

593
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 3: I lean towards now yeah and good player, great yeah,

594
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 3: great player. Not enough like he's behind Adams for me,

595
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 3: he's definitely behind Evans. Him versus Allen, I guess is

596
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: a conversation. I think he also got suspended for pd

597
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 3: S or something. At one point two, which I'm always

598
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 3: going to hold against players. Uh No, Yeah, and I'd

599
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: be shocked if he can do enough the rest of

600
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: the way to get there.

601
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: This next one surprises me. Cameron Jordan Oh, he got

602
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: seven yes votes.

603
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 3: See. I bet if we're doing Saints Radio, we would

604
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 3: understand that better. Yeah, he's kind of like the Cam

605
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: Hayward Kalays Campbell's that type of things.

606
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 2: The thing, you know. Buckner Eight Pro Bowls, yeah, but

607
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: only one first team All Pro.

608
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: Like, I don't think he was ever top five at

609
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 3: his position. No.

610
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: Now, he does have one hundred and seventeen and a

611
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: half career sacks, which helps his cause.

612
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: That's a lot.

613
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 2: That's a lot.

614
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 3: That's a lot.

615
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: That's a lot for a defensive end.

616
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: Did he ever have more than ten or twelve? You

617
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

618
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: Like he was never among the league leaders, Like you

619
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: never like, I.

620
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: Bet you have any years to get four, But I

621
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: bet he's had six to ten a lot. Yeah, he

622
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 3: doesn't pass a sniff test for me. I like they

623
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: might retire that number in New Orleans. Yeah, I mean

624
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: like there'd be a lot of Cam Jordan Jersey sloating

625
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 3: around if he was a Steeler, you know, but I

626
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: think he's the Hall very good. Yeah.

627
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: To get seven votes though, seven, Yeah, I think it's

628
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 2: that hundred sack thing. Yeah, it has to.

629
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: But that's going to be a that Bramer has to

630
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 3: go up to again. I mean there's more sacks.

631
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: Was more passing one All Pro season one one Yeah,

632
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: Kyle yuscheck, No, he had two votes. Yeah, he's kind

633
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: of like Tasker. Yeah, I mean great at what he did.

634
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 3: It does.

635
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: But no, I mean he's a unicorn. Yeah, but I'm sorry.

636
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of playoff wins and things like that.

637
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: He's on the right two teams, Ravens and Niners. He's

638
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 3: on national TV a lot for a full back. For

639
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: a full back, for a full back like Lorenzo O'Neill

640
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: has no chance. And I think he paved the way

641
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: for like LT and Eddie George, Like, I don't think

642
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: anyone had more thousand yard rushers paving the way than

643
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: Lorenzo o' neil off the top of my head. Yeah,

644
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 3: and he sets a way different style player.

645
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: But no, I mean John L. Williams isn't going as

646
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: a full bet. He had real stats, like.

647
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: I don't think all stock can go right. I mean no,

648
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: I think he's like a tasker. I mean like that's

649
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: cute and all, but Noah, again, the defensive coordinator in

650
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: the playoff game isn't like, oh my god, we're gonna

651
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: play with right.

652
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: He's a present of problem the ball once maybe twice

653
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 2: in the entire game.

654
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: And one time we're a nickel. We should have been

655
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: in base. But you know, we can live with it.

656
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey got three votes.

657
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: The last couple of years haven't really helped them that much.

658
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 3: And I also.

659
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: Surprising thing is he's now at eight years in the league.

660
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: I know he's not young anymore. Yeah, I was gonna

661
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: bring him uphen you were talking about Porter for a Pro Bowl,

662
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: because he's certainly a big name. He's very freaky. This

663
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: is a side note, but you've been in the room.

664
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: I bet players that change teams a lot have a

665
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: little bit harder case. Like I always think about too, Like, Okay,

666
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure this Bengals guy is going to try to

667
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: put too or not the Bengals guy. The Niners guy

668
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: will put t O in. But he didn't exactly leave

669
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 3: San Francisco, you know, on a great note. And then

670
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: he played for a bunch of other teams, and Ramsey

671
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: corners are tough. I mean, at least he's a brand

672
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: name guy. I still think his story isn't written, but

673
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: I think he needs to do noticeably more.

674
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. I mean, right now, he's

675
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: not the only cornerback. Yeah, who is currently in the

676
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame who does not have thirty at least

677
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: thirty career interceptions is Debrell Reevs right now, Ramsey twenty two.

678
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: Okay, and Revis was the best. He was almost Aaron Yeah,

679
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: and taking away number ones like, I don't think they're close. Yeah, Now,

680
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: he's a no Matthew Stafford. I think the Super Bowl

681
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: put him in.

682
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: He only got three votes.

683
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, I understand that. I'm a fan, though, man.

684
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: I mean I think he's like well ahead of Matt Ryan,

685
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: who I think is a borderline guy. Yeah.

686
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: Ryan right now is ahead of him in passing yard

687
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: touchdown passes, probably, I say, right now, Yeah, it probably

688
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: doesn't hold up all that much longer. Yeah, he's eleventh

689
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: in both of those. But he's got the Super Bowl win.

690
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: I mean, his Lion situation was really poor. Yeah, I

691
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: mean I think he's easily a top ten player right

692
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 3: now at the position. I mean, I don't think he

693
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 3: goes in like ahead of Ben, but I think he

694
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: goes in ahead of like. Ryan Rivers is one I

695
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: would always love Before that I think is gonna have

696
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: a tough time, but I think he's in. He only

697
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: got three out of.

698
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: Nine, three out of nine.

699
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: I'm sure his lifetime stats don't blow you away, but

700
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 3: his tape is crazy.

701
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: And the last guy on the list is one Russell Wilson.

702
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: WO talk about him.

703
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: He got two votes, two votes. So to if we

704
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: do this two years ago, I did this two years ago,

705
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: he got six or seven votes.

706
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because I remember being asked vividly the day he

707
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: traded the Denver if he never plays again, is he

708
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer? And I said yes. You know

709
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: I had no Steelers ties at the time. I mean,

710
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: I don't have his back. I didn't care one bit,

711
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: and I thought his Seattle career was Hall of Fame worthy.

712
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: But I feel less strong about it now than when

713
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: I said, you know what I mean, like I think,

714
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: can you lose it? You know what I mean? Like

715
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: if I'm if if I was right, which I'm not

716
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: saying I am. But if I was right and his

717
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: Seattle career wasn't, was Hall of Fame worthy in itself?

718
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: Can you do anything besides doing something off awful off

719
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: the field or get caught cheating or something that ever

720
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: veto that, you know what I mean? But his Denver

721
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: time hurts him a lot.

722
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: It does, There's no doubt about it. I still tend

723
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: to believe. I mean, again, we're talking about a super

724
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: Bowl winning quarterback. Yeah, we're talking about a guy who

725
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: took two teams there. We're talking about a guy who

726
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: was Walton Man of the Year a lot of water.

727
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: And again, you know, people are looking at his season

728
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: last year like an unsuccessful two year stint with the Broncos.

729
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: Is how they start this thing off?

730
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: His first year there was first year was awful and.

731
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: Right, right, and I think everybody looks at him goes, well,

732
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: Nathaniel Hackett was just awful.

733
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: Right, Or he's been to Shaun Watson with the Browns,

734
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, No, it's not that bad.

735
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: Was it a good trade for Denver? Of course not.

736
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: I mean he's one of the worst trades in recent

737
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: memory because they gave up so much who this year

738
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: might be big for him. Yeah, Like, I don't know

739
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: that he has to be great. I don't know if

740
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: he used to be the pro bowler. Winning a playoff

741
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: game outside of Seattle might go a long way. And

742
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: I bet there will be people down the road if

743
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: Wilson had is the twentieth best quarterback in the league

744
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 3: this year and retires hypothetically or it becomes a backup

745
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: and never really helps his Hall of Fame, cause going forward,

746
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: I'm sure people in the room will be like, yeah,

747
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 3: he handed it to Marshawn Lynch and made the Legion

748
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: a boom, and he wasn't as big a deal on

749
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: those teams as he truly was. You know, Yeah, I

750
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: think he's in him Verse Stafford's a conversation for me though.

751
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: So right now, one.

752
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson is nineteenth time in passing yards.

753
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: Let's say he throws for three thousand yards.

754
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: Okay, that woul get him. That wuld get him the

755
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: forty seven thousand ish. That would move him into thirteenth place,

756
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: ahead of fran Tarkenton.

757
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: I bet everyone ahead of him is probably in, with

758
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: the exception of like Ryan or River.

759
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 2: You're looking at Joe Flacco who's still kicking Drew Bledsoe

760
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: of any testaverity, Carson Palmer. Then you get the Fran

761
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: targeted war Moon. That's when you start getting into that.

762
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 3: That's gonna say, if he hads three more, if he

763
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: gets to Tarkington level, how many guys ahead of him

764
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: are not in? I bet not many.

765
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: I'm just looking here for touchdown passes touchdowns.

766
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 3: I bet that's pretty high too.

767
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: I bet he's pretty high on that list.

768
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, which we haven't seen around here for a while.

769
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: That's but yeah, I you know, like he is. I

770
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: just he's in the top ten in all time comebacks,

771
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: in fourth quarter comeback like he's like he's it.

772
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: Seems like one hundred years ago. But like when an announcer,

773
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 3: if he was a Monday night football with Seattle, he'd

774
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: be announced as future Hall of Famer Russell Wilson. You

775
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Right, no one thought twice about it.

776
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: And the other thing in all those years still exist.

777
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 3: I mean, he still did that.

778
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 2: He is thirteenth in career touchdown passes.

779
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 3: All right, Let's say he throws twenty more, where's he get.

780
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 2: That gets him to three fifty. That puts him right

781
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 2: around where Stafford is at right.

782
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: Now, Okay, is that like eighth or that will be eleventh?

783
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: Eli Manning has three sixty six to get you into

784
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: the top ten, so he needs basically he needs thirty

785
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: two touchdown passes to get there.

786
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: Okay. I bet he throws thirty two more in his life.

787
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. The other thing about him is the rushing yards.

788
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and he was little ahead of the time

789
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: on that stuff, you.

790
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: Know, so you start looking at, you know, what has

791
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: he done as a runner over the course of his career,

792
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: and you're looking at I.

793
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: Bet he's seventh most rushing yards amongst quarterbacks in history,

794
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 3: probably right around I mean he's I mean, like Vick

795
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: and Jackson had monster years but they didn't last as long,

796
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 3: but they're probably more.

797
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: He's got fifty three hundred career rushing yards.

798
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: Fifty three hundred, yeah, like Derek Henry is like eighty

799
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: eight hundred. Yeah, and we were talking about him.

800
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: Right and twenty nine touchdown twenty nine rushing touchdowns, you know.

801
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's more than I thought of even Yeah,

802
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 3: I bet he's top five all time in quarterback rushing yards.

803
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I mean to do it that long on

804
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: that well, I mean last year he had he had

805
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: another three forty one in Denver.

806
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: I mean, are you looking at his seasons? Yeah, what

807
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: were like his high water marks for rushing.

808
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: Yards eight forty nine.

809
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: I would have guessed like five hundred was that was?

810
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: I mean that when stands out. He had some other

811
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: five hundred yard seasons, but eight hundred ton six hundred

812
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: rushing touchdown even must have been a fantasy monster.

813
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 3: Like if your quarterback and fantasy gets five hundred rushing yards,

814
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 3: he's a quarterback one. If he can complete a pass,

815
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: you know, like okay, yeah, that rushing yards puts him

816
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 3: over I think.

817
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's really high in the list. That's

818
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: a big deal.

819
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 3: Like I don't know if he'll get the three hundred

820
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: this year. I mean that ship may have sailed a little.

821
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: He'll run.

822
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: He had three forty one last year.

823
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't play two games, so it's possible. It's possible.

824
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's the list on CBS Sports.

825
00:36:59,400 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: There.

826
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 2: We agree with some, we didn't agree with others.

827
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 3: It's it's tough, like if he takes if the Steelers

828
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: win a playoff game with him as a starting quarterback

829
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 3: this year, I think that's enough to be like, Okay,

830
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, it was a blip in the radar, Denver.

831
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 3: We'll take that out of the equation.

832
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: That's enough, you know, Yeah, absolutely, Let's get to a break.

833
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Speaker 2: listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. And

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Speaker 2: Matt I dug into this a little bit again for

848
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: my five for Friday. So people who think there's still

849
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 2: people who question whether this Russell Wilson Arthur Smith pairing

850
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 2: is going to work.

851
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

852
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: And if you look back at his last season in

853
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: Tennessee as the offensive coordinator there the type.

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00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: First of all, his Titan offensive coordinator years are better

855
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: than off the char remember, yeah, yeah with Bryan Tannehill,

856
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: who's fine. Yeah.

857
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: Uh. They used play action thirty four point four percent

858
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: of the time.

859
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 3: Okay that last year in Tennessee.

860
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, uh, that was throwing the just when they

861
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: threw the football short and four percent at the time,

862
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: that was the highest percentage in the NFL.

863
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: So, folks, what that means, like Dale was kind of saying,

864
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 3: is thirty four percent of the pass attempts were play

865
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: action first. Yeah, not thirty four percent of the plays

866
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 3: pass attempts.

867
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 2: And that you know, you know, when you think about it, too,

868
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: let's take probably like third and twelve out of the equation,

869
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: Like you're not you're not going to play action or

870
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: anything like seven or more. You're probably But.

871
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: They had Dereck Henry too. Yeah, I mean, I mean

872
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 3: this was all by design absolutely.

873
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: Uh. Since twenty and sixteen this, according to Next Gen Stats,

874
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson has a one oh, nine point seven passer

875
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: rating when when using play action in twenty twenty three,

876
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: remember this is the season he got benched in he

877
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: had a a weird word.

878
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 3: I just wanted to keep him healthy.

879
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: They wanted to keep him healthy, so then have to

880
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 2: pay him. Yeah, he had a one to fifteen point

881
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: two passer rating on play action passways action.

882
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: Wow, that was on ninety three. That wasn't a Derek

883
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: Henry rushing attack, right right, yeah, yeah.

884
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: That was on ninety three pass attempts using play play action.

885
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: This according to.

886
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 2: Pro Football Reference. The Steelers is a team last year

887
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: utilized play action. This again, according to Pro Football Reference,

888
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 2: sixty six times all.

889
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: Season season, all season, which is crazy and people might

890
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: not think this, but the Steelers through the football less

891
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: than the Falcons did. Yeah, you know, like the Falcons

892
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: were super high percentage in run pass ratio, but they

893
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 3: ran more plays, so they had more pass attempts than

894
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: the Steelers.

895
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, well that was with Denver.

896
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: I know I'm talking about Arthur Smith though.

897
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: So last year with the Falcons, Smith's Falcons ran play action,

898
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: utilized play action one hundred and thirty three times. Wow,

899
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: twice as much as.

900
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 3: What the Steelers did, yeah, which I think the lesser quarterbacks,

901
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 3: which helps the lesser quarterback, which.

902
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: Helps the lesser quarterbacks. But obviously Russell Wilson knows how

903
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 2: to run play action.

904
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he's oh yeah, yeah, he's been very successful.

905
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. And he also has ball handling is

906
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: an underrated skill set and he's good at it. You know.

907
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: I also think he's always been very comfortable turning his

908
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: back to the defense. I don't know that Ben Roethlisberger

909
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: for all those years was.

910
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 3: Because Joe Burrow don't want to do it either.

911
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just been low for a decade realizing

912
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: play action when they had Ben Roethlisberger, and that just

913
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 2: kind of morphed into what they did with Kenny Pickett

914
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: and the other quarterbacks.

915
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: I mean really since the Drives inception. Yeah, I've been

916
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: on this soapbox forever and then eventually I'm like, I

917
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: guess Ben doesn't like it. Cool, I get it, but

918
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: lately it's like you gotta do it. I mean, I

919
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 3: mean it's somewhat of a cheat.

920
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: Cot Desmond Ritter through a hundred play action passes.

921
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: Last year and the bench, I mean like he was

922
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: on the starter the whole time, and his.

923
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,959
Speaker 2: Passer rating on play action was actually decent, right, you know.

924
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: I mean it's such a cheat code. There's been a

925
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 3: lot of studies I haven't seen one lately that you

926
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 3: don't have to have a good running game to make

927
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: play action be very.

928
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: You just have to sell it.

929
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: You just have to sell it. I half believe those

930
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 3: studies to be honest. I mean, I mean, if there

931
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 3: Henry's in the backfield and I'm a linebacker, like, yeah.

932
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: If you're effectively running the football. Of course, when you

933
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: play action.

934
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: You might get an extra bigger step.

935
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: They're gonna take that bite, They're going to bite on it,

936
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: and then you throw the ball over their head. You know,

937
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: this is where Pat Fareyernmouth comes into play as well, right.

938
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 3: Or the Steel Run game where they're going to run

939
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: the ball. I wouldn't shock me if the lead the

940
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 3: league in rushing attempts. I mean I think they. I mean,

941
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 3: so an effective running game or a voluminous it's one

942
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: of my favorite or running games. If you're running it

943
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 3: over and over and over on first and second down,

944
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: even if you're only getting three, four or five yards

945
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 3: a clip. On the fourth series after tons of early

946
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: down runs, linebackers are going to step up absolutely, you

947
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

948
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: It's like I'm watching a pitcher and the first time

949
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: through the lineup he throws everybody a fastball to try

950
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: to get ahead. Where he goes with a curveball to

951
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: the first pitch, curveball to everybody. Yeah, yeah, the next

952
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: time you go, okay, guys, there's a trend here.

953
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 3: And I've done my homework, and I'm a smart linebacker

954
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: and I've you know, I'm seeing I'm going.

955
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: To try to hold that four yard game to a

956
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: two yard game or loss here. And then all of

957
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: a sudden, the balls in the air, and some of it,

958
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: of course, is I know that. You know that I

959
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: don't know.

960
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: And you know, Wilson maybe sells a play action fake

961
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: not great early and then saves it for a big

962
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,479
Speaker 3: third eight. You know. Ever, like my best pitch, I'm

963
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 3: not going to show you my my split finger or

964
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: whatever whatever it is, you know, say my best thing. Yeah,

965
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: the play action stuff doesn't worry me at all. I

966
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 3: think that's a great marriage between the two of them.

967
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: The middle of the field passing worries me traditionally with him,

968
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: but I don't know that Smith is married to that.

969
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that he is either. And I

970
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: don't know if you look back over the course of

971
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson's career that he's had long term tight long

972
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: term tight end play like he's going.

973
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: To have this year grad grade and he had a

974
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: Jimmy a.

975
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: Couple of Jimmy Graham mears where Jimmy Graham actually had

976
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: really good years really to Seattle, and that's been it.

977
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 3: That's been it. I know he has not had great

978
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: middle of the field in breaking route players overall.

979
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's not DK Metcalf either.

980
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: No, it isn't. It isn't or it even wasn't Lockett

981
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: and it's I mean Lockett was a traditional outside receiver.

982
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: But I'm going to run you know, that kind of

983
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: stuff outbreaking stand deep.

984
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: You know, Wilson's deep stuff is great. It does worry me.

985
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: It's always worried with Wilson, and it does true. I mean,

986
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: short quarterbacks have a harder time seeing through the trees

987
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: and that's where the trees are at, you know, but

988
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 3: we'll see im. I definitely think the play action stuff

989
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: that you mentioned is a strength of both is a

990
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: good marriage. Oh.

991
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 2: I think it's ak especial.

992
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 3: The way they're built to run the ball.

993
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, you know you can certainly utilize that,

994
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: and and uh they're gonna they're going to I have

995
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: no doubt about that waysoever they I can guarantee that

996
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: the folks here on the drive won't be complaining about

997
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: I don't know where are the play action's gonna be

998
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: come from? That's coming, yeah, right, wouldn't surprise me the

999
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: first time they go in pads at training camp this

1000
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: year if the first play is a play action pass.

1001
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: Well, I'm picking.

1002
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: With authority, yeah.

1003
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: Or even more so maybe in Atlanta. Yeah, I mean

1004
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: doing it against your own defense. Okay, that accomplishes something.

1005
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: But they may even know it's coming to you know,

1006
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 3: like I've been to practice all these years too. No,

1007
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 3: I think that's a big deal. It really does. Yeah.

1008
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 2: I just think people are so jaded over the last

1009
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: couple of years of what Atlanta's offenses looked like. It

1010
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: hasn't been an explosive It wasn't an explosive offense they

1011
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: didn't have.

1012
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 3: Two years ago. It was pretty darn good.

1013
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, And I think the fantasy, I think the

1014
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: fantasy community is.

1015
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: Down on our jades that alive because enough, right, I mean,

1016
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 3: just so happens. I was listening to tight end fantasy podcasts.

1017
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: They were talking about Pitts. They didn't have a vertical receiver,

1018
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: so he became there outside the numbers X deep.

1019
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 2: Things we're talking. We both owned him two years ago,

1020
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: and the problem wasn't them throwing him the ball. The

1021
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: problem was them overthrowing him the ball. Oh he continually

1022
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: overthrowing the six with six tight end.

1023
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, first of all, his average steff the

1024
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 3: target was higher than any tight end the league. He's

1025
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: running harder routes than any tight end. He was being

1026
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: a wide receiver, so he's being guarded by corners and

1027
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: they're asking to be Mike Evans. That's crazy, you know,

1028
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: because they didn't have other explosive downfield guys and.

1029
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: They had no other targets.

1030
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 3: And that's the thing is, I don't think that's bad coaching.

1031
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 3: It's because he's our most explosive downfield guy. So you

1032
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 3: got to do it, Kyle. I know that's not the

1033
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 3: best way to use you, but trying to win on

1034
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: Sunday and you're the most explosive dude, but you're not

1035
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: as explosive as Tyreek Hill, right.

1036
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 2: You know, they just aren't. Yeah, let's get to a break.

1037
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: That's going to do it for our number one of

1038
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. Matt and I

1039
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: will be back with our number two right after this