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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Higheartradios.

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Speaker 2: Katie, we have to have a Scandal reunion, like what

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Speaker 2: the hell COVID really screwed it? But like whether it's

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Speaker 2: George's house or Shanda was saying she is a Vermont plate,

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Speaker 2: I honestly think we should go to Vermont and ill

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Speaker 2: like make jam and like.

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Speaker 3: A great would that be? We have to I know,

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, I hope Vermont. That's such a

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Speaker 3: oh my god, that would be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Shanda like has said like she's a house there. But

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Speaker 2: I also think I could email my person and be like,

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Speaker 2: can a freak in Hotel host Us in Cabo.

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Speaker 3: Like with the whole cast.

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Speaker 2: Scandal cast to come, We'll do a photo shoot whatever

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Speaker 2: you want.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to beat a bathing suit, but I

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Speaker 5: will be in a cover up.

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Speaker 3: Yes, hell yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think what you'll all hear as we continue these

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Speaker 2: episodes is like it really was such a special group.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like we really like we're really like a family,

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Speaker 3: like and it's stayed that way. Years have passed and

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Speaker 3: we're still super close and we all love each other

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Speaker 3: and yeah, and that's rare.

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Speaker 5: We are so.

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Speaker 2: Pumped for today's episode because the biggest fucking deal is

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Speaker 2: here today.

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Speaker 3: Totally go the way.

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Speaker 5: Did you Ustill love the episodes he would direct us on.

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Speaker 3: Oh all the time. Yeah, And you know what we

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Speaker 3: always talk about, like how great it is having a

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Speaker 3: director that's also an actor because they know how to

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Speaker 3: talk to us, they know are sort of you know

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Speaker 3: when we when we're feeling extra vulnerable or like insecure.

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Speaker 3: He's just so so loving, so so great working with him.

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Speaker 2: He's so great that almost sometimes he's too good because

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Speaker 2: I've had so many have I told you this before.

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Speaker 2: I've had a couple actor friends, No, actually more than

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Speaker 2: a couple auditioned for various projects as he's directed in

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Speaker 2: the last ten years since I've become his friend, and

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Speaker 2: they always text me the same like I got it, Katie,

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Speaker 2: so amazing, I got it, And I always want to

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Speaker 2: be like, you did it.

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Speaker 5: That's just Tony, Like.

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Speaker 3: He's so so sweet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so sweet, and he always takes the most

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Speaker 2: time and care in the room with the actors like that,

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Speaker 2: you end up spending like forty five minutes in there

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Speaker 2: and you think, like, holy shit, I got this part.

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, no, that's just Tony.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, all right, we're done with the logistics because

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Speaker 2: our one, our only, Fitzgerald Grant the third is here.

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Speaker 4: Woo yay. We're so yeay man.

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Speaker 5: We're so happy to have you, Tony. Thank you for

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Speaker 5: making the time. We love you.

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Speaker 2: The scandal Rewatch podcast has just sneakingly become me and

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Speaker 2: Garmaou's way of like hanging out with all of our friends.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, man, before we.

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Speaker 2: Talk about the trail, Tony, can you tell us how

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Speaker 2: in the hell you got this part?

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Speaker 4: Man? It was just luck. It was luck. I swear

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Speaker 4: it was the weirdest thing I had. I had met

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Speaker 4: like what it was before Grays had aired. I think

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Speaker 4: Maybe the third but it shot second or something like that,

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Speaker 4: but the second it shot third, but they had made

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Speaker 4: the pilot, which was unbelievably good. And then so I

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Speaker 4: think like Betsy had liked my first film or something

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Speaker 5: Actors I've ever seen on tele period.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I met them and then met Shanda, who

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Speaker 4: doing this show with Carrie Washington and once do you

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Speaker 4: want to play the President? And I had and I

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Speaker 4: but I every time I would see Kerry Washington in

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Speaker 4: Kerry Washington. Every time I saw her she was totally different.

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Speaker 4: You give mean in a lot if you want. I

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Speaker 4: the Oval office. But I thought, well that could get interesting.

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Speaker 4: But I wasn't sure because it would inhibit me from

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Speaker 3: Is that what you wanted to really like do at

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Speaker 3: that time? Tony? Did you want to keep directing? Were

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Speaker 4: I wanted to keep directed? But can I be totally honest?

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Speaker 4: I had just directed my film Conviction. Yeah, and it

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Speaker 4: what stop thinking about and you're say you say yes

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Speaker 4: I didn't even think about that. I thought it'd be cool,

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Speaker 4: And the thing for me was that first day of

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Speaker 2: Like, wait, take us through it, because this is another question,

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Speaker 4: I remember showing up and being like, Hi, I just

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Speaker 4: it was this incredible chemistry we all had. It was

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Speaker 2: It was like it was like theater camp, like it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it feels like they took such a chance, right,

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Speaker 3: It felt like it's like a crapshoot, like putting this

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Speaker 3: But just the fact that it worked, right, that it

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Speaker 3: It was like like you said, it was like magic,

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Speaker 5: So you never chemistry read with Carrie or anything, like

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Speaker 4: Why?

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Speaker 5: Like did you know that the relationship was going to

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Speaker 2: Amazing, but like the thing that hooked people and when

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Speaker 2: I realized the show was a hit was when you

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Speaker 2: became in your fifties, which I want to ask you

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Speaker 2: about a full on fucking sex symbol.

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Speaker 5: So thank god you listen to your manager.

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Speaker 2: But like when I first walked into our you know,

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Speaker 2: We have to talk about where you came from, which

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Speaker 4: maybe going out later, and she wasn't there. And then

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Speaker 4: the next day was a Sunday, I think the matinee

440
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Speaker 4: and I came out of here and she was still

441
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Speaker 4: there and a guy comes up. He says, hey, could

442
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Speaker 4: my sister meet you. You know, she's a big fan

443
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Speaker 4: of yours. I said, of course. And because people that

444
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 4: don't go to Broders. You guys both know, like people

445
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Speaker 4: who want under wait the wait, come out the theater,

446
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Speaker 4: the actress come out.

447
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

448
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 4: And this sweet young woman who must have been twenty

449
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Speaker 4: five years old comes up to me and she's like,

450
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Speaker 4: you know, I really admire your work and I'm such

451
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Speaker 4: a huge scandal fan and I but whatever you're she

452
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 4: was like, and I want to be a filmmaker and

453
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Speaker 4: you're whatever. The not for profit work you do just

454
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Speaker 4: means so much to me. And so I got that

455
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Speaker 4: tattoo of my face on her arm?

456
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Speaker 3: What is it fit? Is it like a fits picture?

457
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Speaker 5: Is it just you and a T shirt?

458
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Speaker 4: It's just you know, it's kind of like me. It

459
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Speaker 4: was like my so like a headshot, but it was

460
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Speaker 4: I guess, but it was me. It was it was

461
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Speaker 4: that's so so I said, oh, and I she asked

462
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Speaker 4: me to sign her arm and you did, did you?

463
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Speaker 4: I said? Of course? But I'm in I was like, whoa,

464
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Speaker 4: that was pretty intense commitment. I mean, God bless her,

465
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Speaker 4: but WHOA.

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Speaker 2: There's that double standard? Did Shondaland? Which is like, I

467
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Speaker 2: want to ask you about that? The double standard a

468
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Speaker 2: Shondaland for you all listening, you know early on it's

469
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Speaker 2: very known that I think Seanna came up to me

470
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Speaker 2: and was like, oh, I wrote you a sexteen. If

471
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Speaker 2: you want me to rewrite it for you to be

472
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Speaker 2: an a turtleneck, I will. And I said amazing. And

473
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Speaker 2: then she was like, but also here it's a double

474
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Speaker 2: standard and the guys have to take off their shirts

475
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Speaker 2: a lot.

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Speaker 5: So did you know that going in?

477
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Speaker 4: No, but it was I was okay with it, you know,

478
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Speaker 4: I mean again I was sent to humor about it.

479
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Speaker 4: And Shonda again, she was pretty straight up about it,

480
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Speaker 4: like she didn't play games. She said, this is important

481
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Speaker 4: to me and I obviously if I had said I

482
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Speaker 4: refused to do something she or I'm uncomfortable, she would

483
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Speaker 4: have respected that. And it was it's not like full

484
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Speaker 4: on nudity, it's taking our shirts off. So it was,

485
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Speaker 4: you know, like Scott and I had are like every table,

486
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Speaker 4: he'd be like, okay, dude, you're up this week go

487
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Speaker 4: to the SHP like straight off, which guy was gonna

488
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Speaker 4: take his shirt off? It was pretty funny.

489
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Speaker 3: I remember thinking, thank god, I just play Huck, who

490
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Speaker 3: you know rarely takes a shirt off. But you guys

491
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Speaker 3: had like that pressure of being like, oh my god.

492
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Speaker 3: And then the next episode, I have a sex syne

493
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Speaker 3: and I got to take my shirt up. I remember

494
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Speaker 3: you always eating salads with like tender green seld.

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Speaker 4: I was, I was, Honestly, Scott was more intense about that. Scott.

496
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Speaker 4: I I Scott were, you know, worried more about it.

497
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Speaker 4: I just I don't know. Look, I'm my attitude towards of.

498
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Speaker 5: You're genetically blessed. Let's put that out there.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Tony Goldwin's ancestors from above for giving Tony

500
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Speaker 2: Goldwyn a six pack that cannot be taken down by

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Speaker 2: a meal less of wine.

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Speaker 4: Right, so I would have my meal. But but also

503
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Speaker 4: it was it stressed me out too much distress about it,

504
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Speaker 4: So I I just stayed in like a baseline level

505
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Speaker 4: of fitness, which made me feel better and able to

506
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Speaker 4: work long hours anyway. So I was like, all right,

507
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Speaker 4: this is what this job is. So it was so

508
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Speaker 4: I didn't ever get too spartan about it, because I

509
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 4: think Scott would like literally starve himself. Oh yeah, that

510
00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 4: would suck me up.

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Speaker 2: His genetic ancestors blessed him in some ways too, just

512
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Speaker 2: not with the Tony Goldwyn stomach, which like that is

513
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: just like how you're built.

514
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Speaker 5: I sort of feel like Scott.

515
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Speaker 4: Scott Poley is a pretty good looking fellow.

516
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Speaker 2: Oh he's the best. He's absolutely gorgeous. I love you

517
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Speaker 2: both to pieces.

518
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Speaker 3: We talked a little bit about like the beginning of

519
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Speaker 3: your career when you started. Do you remember what the

520
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Speaker 3: first I think I know what it is and I'm

521
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Speaker 3: really excited about it. But do you remember what your

522
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: first movie was? Your first movie?

523
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Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, I know why you're excited about it. Yeah. Yeah,

524
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 4: Briday of the Thirteenth, Part six, Yes, Jason lived, my

525
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Speaker 4: first movie part Jason Lives. Yes, And I got killed

526
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Speaker 4: in the first like five minutes. I think, Yeah, I

527
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Speaker 4: think I was the second I was the second person

528
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Speaker 4: in the movie murdered by Jason. Fuck.

529
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Speaker 3: Yeah. You played Darren Robinson and I.

530
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Speaker 4: Can't up Darren, Like that's some bad acting if you

531
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Speaker 4: want to.

532
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Speaker 2: Tony Guiermo recorded it and texted it to me yesterday,

533
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: the clip which I will now word to you and

534
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: we will post when this episode comes.

535
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Speaker 4: Because me standing there with a gun going come back, Yeah,

536
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 4: and then Jason stabs me in the heart with a pole.

537
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Speaker 2: He impales you with like a fucking huge ass pole

538
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: that he just also like stabbed the wheel so that

539
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Speaker 2: your car could no longer be drivable.

540
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Speaker 4: And broke the headlights. Exactly.

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Speaker 3: You were adorable, but what a dream you were in

542
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: a Friday at thirteen movie. Like that's a huge for

543
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Speaker 3: horror fans. Man.

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Speaker 4: I was. I was so excited to have a job that. Yeah,

545
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Speaker 4: like I think and maybe got to pay one thousand

546
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Speaker 4: dollars for a week, and I thought it was an unfortune,

547
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Speaker 4: you know, I was just so happy to have it.

548
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the trail that is this episode's rewatch,

549
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Speaker 2: which is I feel like changed the course of Scandal

550
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: actually because it was the first episode that really spent

551
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Speaker 2: a lot of time and then flashback and we became

552
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: a show that used that as a vehicle alot. It

553
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Speaker 2: aired on May tenth in two thousand and well, and

554
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Speaker 2: it was written by Jenna Bands right. It was directed

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Speaker 2: by Tom Verica. And let me take you quick through

556
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Speaker 2: the guest stars of the episode. We have Brendan Hines

557
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Speaker 2: is giddy and Wallace Bellamy Young's first lady, Melli Grant.

558
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 5: Holy crap, Bellamy Young was still a.

559
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Speaker 3: Fucking It wasn't even like a regular Yeah, your.

560
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Speaker 2: Pipe and smoking Matt Lesher as Billy Chambers, Kate Burton

561
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Speaker 2: is Vice President Sally Langston, and Josh Molina as assistant

562
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Speaker 2: US and Josh Molina wasn't Josh out Good was assistant

563
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Speaker 2: US Attorney David Rosen.

564
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Speaker 3: And then we have Dan Bukatinsky as James Novak. Brenda

565
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Speaker 3: Song is Alyssa the legal Secretary, John Burke is Paul Moseley,

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Speaker 3: and Samantha Sloyan as Sassy Stafford. The Sassy Stafford who

567
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Speaker 3: ends up in a future episode. She ends up having

568
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Speaker 3: the whole storyline thing, yeah that's right, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Gee me or you hit this synopsis.

570
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Speaker 3: You hit it last time, you hit it so good

571
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 3: last time. I feel like I feel like I should

572
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Speaker 3: hit it this time. But baby, you could do it

573
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 3: also after me, if you okay? So the synopsis is

574
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Speaker 3: after Fitz shows up at Olivia's apartment asking her to

575
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Speaker 3: listen to the sex tape. The episode flashes back to

576
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Speaker 3: show Fits his campaigntro to the White House and the

577
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 3: blossoming relationship between Olivia and Fitz. Meanwhile, Gideon Wallace investigates

578
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 3: Amanda Tanna's past, and David looks into Amanda's death and.

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Speaker 4: What at what a great episode that was. That was

580
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 4: definitely one of my favorite all times. And Verica's first episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's for one of the first times that

582
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Speaker 3: that carries wig changed from.

583
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Speaker 2: And this was our first like whole episode where the

584
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Speaker 2: big storyline is a whole flashback. It's the whole how

585
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: you know Fitz became president, how Fitz and Olivia started

586
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 2: their love relationship, their physical relationship, And it's Tom Verica's

587
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: introduction to Shondaland, and he those listening, became our producing

588
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Speaker 2: director and now he's the producing director for Bridge and

589
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 2: the upcoming Queen Charlotte, and he's Shondaland Staple and family.

590
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Speaker 5: So he obviously did a great job.

591
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Speaker 3: On the e so good. And of course he ends

592
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 3: up directing like a million episodes of Scandal throughout the season. Yeah,

593
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: as did Tony.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the big highlights of this episode that I

595
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 2: want to talk to you about is this is like,

596
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 2: this is the episode where you say just one minute,

597
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: like you're on the campaign and you're like just you

598
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: just pull her out of a room and you're like

599
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: standing and all You're just like, we just need one

600
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: minute together. And then this is also the episode that

601
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: has my favorite, one of my favorite Scandal scenes of

602
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: all time when you and Olivia are on the bus

603
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Speaker 2: and you Fit says, what kind of coward was I?

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00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, that I didn't wait for you?

605
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my favorite Scandal scene that I did.

606
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Speaker 5: Tell us, why how did you prepare? Tell us about

607
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 5: that scene?

608
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 4: Which is so so beautifully written? You know, Yeah, that

609
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 4: is great now that that episode was so Tom Verica,

610
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 4: that's such a brilliant job directing that.

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Speaker 3: It's the first time she calls you fits too like

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Speaker 3: you it is it?

613
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, wow, and you like just and the one

614
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: minute thing and that theme that developed a musical theme

615
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 4: that became Olivia and fits this theme. It was beautiful.

616
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 5: And it's also the episode where you guys have your

617
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 5: first real like.

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00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 4: In the hotel room in the hotel, that crazy hotel

619
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Speaker 4: sex scene with the micro thing under the bed, the

620
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Speaker 4: bug under the bed. Yeah, there's a bug.

621
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Speaker 5: Under the bed.

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Speaker 2: And now we've were starting to put all together that

623
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Speaker 2: the the sex sounds that everyone's.

624
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Speaker 4: Being sort of l it's so funny that I'm remembering that. Yeah,

625
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: it was the first sex scene that Carry and I had.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you had to really take it was a

627
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Speaker 2: ten PM show. It's like she's in a bra, she's

628
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: in a white bra. She's like it's like you pick

629
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Speaker 2: her up and she's around your body. I mean, it

630
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Speaker 2: is fucking on.

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Speaker 4: It was pretty hot, like and it was pretty Yeah. Yeah,

632
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 4: for not being fully nude, we might as well. Yeah,

633
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 4: and Carrie and I were so It's so funny because

634
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 4: we were so like, it was the first time that

635
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: we had done the sex scene together, and so we

636
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: were so like careful with each other, and you know,

637
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: six months we're like, yeah, whatever, ship, he gives a ship.

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Speaker 5: We've done this a thousand times.

639
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: There's also that memorable line where you say take off

641
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: your clothes, which just hit so hard. It was so

642
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 3: sexy because there's like a there's like a moment before

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Speaker 3: you say that line where you're just staring at her

644
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Speaker 3: and then you say take off your clothes.

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's so good, it's so good. Were you nervous

646
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 5: that day? Were you like, I mean, I know, you've

647
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Speaker 5: done tens of thousands of sexies in your life.

648
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Speaker 4: So in those things, I was sort of nervous because

649
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Speaker 4: it was Carris in my I was nervous, not for Carrie,

650
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 4: but for our relationship, like I want. As actors, you know,

651
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 4: you're like trying to be you know what it's like respect. Yeah,

652
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 4: you're just trying to be developed trust with another person. Yeah,

653
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 4: because it's so intimate doing sex scenes with people.

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Speaker 2: For those of you listening, Tony Goldwin has a real knack.

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Speaker 2: And i'd heard this because I don't know if y'all

656
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Speaker 2: remember this, but in the season episode one hundred, which

657
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: this podcast hopefully will get there, Quinn has a sex

658
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: scene with Fits. It's just a quick makeout and then

659
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: a nice Quinn drops to her knees for a quick

660
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: ass blowjob. But listen, I had heard in the grapevine,

661
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 2: and all you actors listening this is tell me if

662
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: this is just a rumor and not true. The rumor

663
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: was that Tony Goldwin is such a great sex scene

664
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: partner because if there's something that you're insecure about with

665
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: your body, he'll like block it with his arm or

666
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: cover it up.

667
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 5: Is this made up? You're looking at me like this

668
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 5: is made up?

669
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: What?

670
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 4: I don't know? You don't even know where you heard it.

671
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 4: It might have been I should, I shouldainly would.

672
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: But I had heard that, like, oh god, it's so

673
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: relieving when you're with someone who's like respectful but also

674
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: like like oh you're like maybe Bell me, I'm I am.

675
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: This is clearly a memory that I have made up

676
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: for you. You're welcome, Tony Goldwyn.

677
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 4: Yes, it's true. You know you gotta be. You got

678
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 4: to be so protective over your partner. I mean, acting

679
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: with people, you got to developed trust. Trust is like

680
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 4: the most important thing anyway. But when two people have

681
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: their clothes off or or you know, it's just so weird.

682
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 4: So that kind of I remember that with you know,

683
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 4: I think when when Bellamine I had a sex scene.

684
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 4: I may be wrong enough to ask her, but I

685
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: think it was her first time ever wow, being basically

686
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 4: naked on camera and doing it and we have this

687
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: scene sex scene in the shower together, and she was

688
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 4: it was so challenging, you know, it was so she

689
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 4: felt so vulnerable, I think, you know, so I remember

690
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: feeling like I really got to take care of her

691
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 4: because because I have done it a lot, and I've

692
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: directed a lot of sex scenes and it's such a

693
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 4: weird thing that we do, but all, you know what,

694
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 4: they're important because in real life sex is such an

695
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 4: important Yeah, life and relation gives and people are so

696
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 4: weird and provedish about it in terms of our culture

697
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 4: and everything that if done right, it's such a it

698
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: can be such an it's such an interesting dramatic situation,

699
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So I always find it

700
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 4: really challenging.

701
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: Yes, And it's also the part that I enjoy the

702
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: most about shows like It's Why, like that, The Will

703
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: They Won't They?

704
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 5: They?

705
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: Which you and Carrie mastered over years of like I

706
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: think you know, they kept keeping you apart, getting you together,

707
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: keeping you apart, sending her down the road with other people,

708
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 2: sending you down the road with other people, and then

709
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: bringing you back together. I mean, the sex lives of

710
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: Fits and Olivia were a huge heartbeat of our show.

711
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we'll be right back, guys.

712
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 5: Do you remember anything about like the trail?

713
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 4: Yeah? I remember a lot about it.

714
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: Okay, we've got Homeless Talk makes his first? Is this

715
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: your homeless Talks first?

716
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: Ye? Homeless?

717
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 5: Can you tell us about it? That's oh right?

718
00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: We also read right.

719
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: The hardest thing about playing Homeless Huck was that I

720
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: knew I couldn't eat all freaking day because of that

721
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 3: damn beard, Because you can't, you know, all the hair

722
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 3: gets in your mouth. So that was just the biggest

723
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: struggle to being like, you know, they'd come around with

724
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 3: trays of these delicious looking sandwiches and I'd be like,

725
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: I can't fucking eat that chicken. I'm homeless, hut. That

726
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,959
Speaker 3: was the hardest part.

727
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: Quinn has her grilled cheese sex scene with Gideon in

728
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: this episode, and I remember being very nervous as well

729
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: and getting like seven thousand spray te Yes.

730
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 4: I remember like two, it was your first. That was

731
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 4: your first sex scene, wasn't it you know the show?

732
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: Wasn't it your first one in the show?

733
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 5: Yes, first, I had done the show, But I remember

734
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 5: you being I was.

735
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: Really stressed because I probably hadn't done a sex scene

736
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: where like people this many people would watch it like

737
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: I done tons before and like indies and plays where

738
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: no one gave a rats ass.

739
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 5: But like I felt stressed.

740
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 2: I got a thousand spray tands a thousand because someone

741
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: told me if you can't.

742
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 5: And he would cover up like butt z. It's some

743
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 5: like all this stuff.

744
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: Who was more nervous than me was Gideon Wallace, who

745
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: is now married. Do you know who Gideon Wallace is

746
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: now married to Tony Goldwyn. Are you ready to fucking

747
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: fall off your chair? He's married to Tatiana Maslani. No way,

748
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: they got married during COVID. I'm said, I'm saying this

749
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: for your fans because I saw Tony Goldwyn in Network

750
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: on Broadway and his character is paired up with Tatiana,

751
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: So you've worked with closely and had sex scenes with

752
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: her as well.

753
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 4: Network. She and I were she and Brian Cranston and she, Yeah,

754
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 4: she played the Fai Dunway part Network. Brendan is the

755
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 4: sweetest guy. Yeah, is the best. She's awesome. She's such

756
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 4: a great person and brilliant actress.

757
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: But he was really nervous that day, I remember, and

758
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: then I felt so embarrassed because we had the sex

759
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: scene and Tom Verica was like, Okay, it really seems

760
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: like Katie Quinn is like mauling Brendan very easily. And

761
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: Tom said something like if this was like a point system,

762
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: we kind of wanted to be like one one, you know,

763
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 2: two too. You don't want it to be like Katie's

764
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: doing it all and Brennan's just sort.

765
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 5: Of and I'm like, I'm so sorry. I just like

766
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 5: I'm I'm an aggressor, like like that's just how I

767
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 5: do it.

768
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: I just well, I'm just a controlling person, like I'm

769
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: just like, Okay, we're gonna do this, Like let's go.

770
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: Like I have a lot of energy. Obviously you all

771
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: know that for better or for worse, and I had

772
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 2: sort of overtaken him.

773
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 5: He was very nervous.

774
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: I remember that.

775
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: But we got it done and then literally the next

776
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: episode he dies with a scissor in the next.

777
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: So yes, yeah, this is when this in this episode too,

778
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 3: It's one of the first times that I remember thinking,

779
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: oh shit, like this show is going there. Like the

780
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 3: fact that Billy Chambers stabs him in the next and

781
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 3: you know, you see a huge spurt of blood come out.

782
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: It was like, oh wow, this is an intense like show.

783
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 3: It's it's really going for it and going there, which

784
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 3: I loved. It's dark.

785
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: This is also the episode where Mellie says we see

786
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: the beginnings of her being the political animal that she is,

787
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: because she comes in and does a speech saying that

788
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: she'd like she basically fakes a miscarriage.

789
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 5: She says like, oh it's because I lost a baby.

790
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and we start to be like, whoa, this

791
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: woman is like a beast, like she will do anything

792
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: for the office.

793
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh my god, yes, these were my notes. What

794
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 5: kind of coward was I to marry her and not

795
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 5: wait for you?

796
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: Fave line ever she calls him fits they hold hands,

797
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen.

798
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 5: It is on take off your clothes, he says.

799
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: Tony Goldwin's body is insane, carries in a little bra

800
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: ask grabbing, straddling whoa ten PM show people, Billy.

801
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: May these are my notes when I god, I love it.

802
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: But what's so sweet and how this episode sort of

803
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: wraps up is that then they cut to you both

804
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: in present day and you do the one minute again,

805
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: but we see how broken and far like you're just

806
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: holding her on the couch, right, ge was that right?

807
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 4: Because I bring her the tape to look to listen

808
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 4: to the sex tape that it's her, not a Manda

809
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 4: ten or whatever.

810
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 3: And this was huge for TV, I thought too, because

811
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 3: it was the first time that you say, let's do

812
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 3: the you know, one minute, but on on screen, on camera,

813
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 3: on television, we actually wait that full minute in silence

814
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: of them to just holding each other, hym holding Olivia,

815
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 3: and it was so so powerful.

816
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Shanda said, it's going to be a full minute.

817
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 4: Yeah it was. It was great. It was great in

818
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 4: that in that yeah, right exactly. And remember in season one,

819
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 4: didn't in season when we shoot in a real apartment, yep,

820
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 4: and people could barely move in the hallways and we're

821
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 4: having this tiny part which eventually they built in a

822
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 4: set on a stage which was much easier.

823
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, did you take anything from said Tony?

824
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: Did you did you take anything, like a piece of clothing.

825
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 4: Or like so much swag so much I guess ABC,

826
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 4: so many clothes, I mean, yeah, thank you god. It

827
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 4: was like we fudged the rules a little bit about

828
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 4: all the wardrobe that we.

829
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 5: Word for our body. It's either in the basement to

830
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 5: never be warned.

831
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 4: It literally had my name all of my suits said

832
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 4: on the inside because Brooks Brothers made made all of

833
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 4: my suit a lot of my suits, and they said

834
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 4: especially tailor made for Fitzgerald President Fitzgerald Grant the third Wow,

835
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 4: I still have a bunch of those suits are really good.

836
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 4: But they have like isn't that a cool thing? So

837
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: what were they going to give them to some other

838
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 4: actor to wear? Uh? So clothes. What else do I have?

839
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: Do you take anything from the Oval office, like a

840
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: piece from your desk or anything that was on it.

841
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: No, we all talked about that there was nothing. There

842
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 4: was nothing. I really there was like a battleship. That'd

843
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 4: be stupid. So I don't think I did.

844
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 5: I don't tell Tony what you got.

845
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 4: We got much swag.

846
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 3: So when the series ended, I I always admired the

847
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: the window panels, the flawed, cracked window panels in O

848
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Speaker 3: p A.

849
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 5: Yeah.

850
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I I hit up Mary Howard, who's one

851
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: of our producers, and asked her if I could have

852
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: one of those windows, one of those panels, and they

853
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: freaking sent it to my house. It's it weighs like

854
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: a ton, but it's the most beautiful piece and it's

855
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: hanging in my in my in my house at the entrance,

856
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: and it's just like one one pane with the framing one.

857
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

858
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like poster size, like a movie poster size.

859
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: But it's great, gorgeous.

860
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that. That's such a cool.

861
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: And then I also an opportunity man because I didn't

862
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 2: do that either.

863
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: I also took us leather jacket I'm wearing it right now.

864
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: Oh that talks? Okay, this is that's pretty awesome.

865
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have any like scandal memories that jump

866
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: out at you? Also, you're going to have to come

867
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: back on like if we are doing this for one

868
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: hundred and whatever episodes, we're going to be bothering you again.

869
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, anytime, anytime. It's so fun.

870
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 5: But what was like? I want to know? I want

871
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 5: to know a couple of things.

872
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: How do you feel about our WhatsApp scandal chain that

873
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: we text each other constantly?

874
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 5: Happy birthday, Happy holidays? I miss you the best.

875
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: Are there any major memories that stick out in your

876
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Speaker 2: mind about maybe the beginning, the first season, the second season?

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Speaker 4: So many things? God, yeah, I mean that Thursday rehearsal

878
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 4: already told you about. That was like a magical thing

879
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 4: where you just feel the chemistry between people going to

880
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 4: the end. When we were in DC, our last episode ever,

881
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 4: yea the best For no good reason, Seanda said, we're

882
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 4: shooting this episode in Washington. We just had a party.

883
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 4: And remember when Carrie rented a bus friends all to go,

884
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Speaker 4: uh look at all the monuments because her favorite thing

885
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Speaker 4: to do one of you know, of course, Carrie intellectual

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Speaker 4: for one of her favorite things to do in d

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Speaker 4: C was to go around to all of the different

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Speaker 4: you know, her favorite monuments, and she took rented for

889
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Speaker 4: those didn't know the story, she rented a bus for us,

890
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Speaker 4: like a tour bus thing, and we all piled in

891
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Speaker 4: at night and drove all around d C and like

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Speaker 4: we're drinking party. Yeah. I bought George and I bought

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Speaker 4: a bottle of whistle Pig whiskey, which we which we

894
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 4: both really loved at the hotel bar, which cost me

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Speaker 4: like four hundred. They're like, oh, it's gonna George, Oh

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00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 4: my god, it's gonna cost them, Like, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: That So it was so mad. No one recognized us.

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Speaker 4: We were all together, but it was dark so we

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Speaker 4: could be with tourist people didn't. It's so fun.

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Speaker 5: It was perfect.

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Speaker 2: It was raining out a little bit, so there were

903
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: really weren't many tourists around, and it was probably really

904
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Speaker 2: time the Scandal cast could have ever done something like

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Speaker 2: that and not be getting crazily mobbed.

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Speaker 3: Mobbed isn't title of our of our WhatsApp chain? Aren't

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Speaker 3: we called?

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Speaker 4: That's what I call you guys? Yeah? And then Shonda

909
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Speaker 4: arranged a private tour of the African American Museum. That incredible,

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Speaker 4: That was so so so incredible, So.

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Speaker 2: Lucky, lucky all those new the New York upfront trips

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Speaker 2: and the White House corresponding trips and shooting in DC,

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Speaker 2: and just like so many dinners, like we used to

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Speaker 2: oh we haven't.

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Speaker 5: Talked about that actually yet.

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Speaker 2: We used to give a gift like every year, I

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Speaker 2: think we would just take the writers, all the actors

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Speaker 2: would take the writers.

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Speaker 4: Out to dinner.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and classic Jeff Perry's style.

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Speaker 2: Every actor was sort of get up and like say

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Speaker 2: a like a rousing speech, as if we were in

923
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Speaker 2: like some Irish like Limerick pub.

924
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Speaker 5: Kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Like we'd all get up like I want to say this,

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Speaker 2: and I want to say that, cheers.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, it was quite a unique. I'd forgotten about

928
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Speaker 4: that because, you know, for people that aren't in our business,

929
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Speaker 4: writers are sort of notoriously underappreciated. Yeah, and particularly staff writers,

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Speaker 4: because in television, you have your showrunner who becomes the

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Speaker 4: big you know, hefe and is generally gets all the

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Speaker 4: accolades and on a successful show, and Shanda certainly deserves those,

933
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Speaker 4: but the writers, you know, work their asses off, sometimes

934
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Speaker 4: feeling not seen, and so I forget how it evolved.

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Speaker 4: But they were just so grateful that we would have

936
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Speaker 4: this party every year with them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it was such magic, such magic. Oh wait,

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Speaker 2: can you tell us really quickly because we didn't have.

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Speaker 5: You on for this episode you really know how to chop?

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Speaker 5: Would like that?

941
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Speaker 3: Right? That's right when you chopped.

942
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Speaker 4: I actually I actually do know how to chomp.

943
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Speaker 5: Really, it's unbelievable.

944
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Speaker 2: Didn't Sean to email you like, is there any sports

945
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Speaker 2: or something you can do?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, she was cruel to me. She said something

947
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Speaker 4: like can you play What does she say? Can you

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Speaker 4: play basketball? Or something? I know? She said what sports

949
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Speaker 4: can you do? I said, Shanda, I can chop wood.

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Speaker 4: I was kidding so that you wrote in a wood

951
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Speaker 4: chopping scene. And then she would say, well, what what

952
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 4: sports do you play? I said, look, pretty much anything

953
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Speaker 4: except basketball. I cannot play basketball. And then uh, this

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Speaker 4: is another like somewhere in the middle of our of

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Speaker 4: our whole thing, I said, I can't play, but I

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Speaker 4: do not play basketball. So all the slow behold Lynn Powelo,

957
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Speaker 4: are brilliant costume designer texts me, one thing do you

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Speaker 4: we need to schedule a fitting for you to come

959
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 4: in and try on your basketball club. Like what, Oh no,

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Speaker 4: She's like, what didn't Sean to tell you you have

961
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 4: a basketball scene in the next episode? But you Scott

962
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 4: fully playing basketball.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god.

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Speaker 4: It was like an amazing played high school basketball. And

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Speaker 4: so I was like, what is happening. So then I

966
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Speaker 4: called Mary Howard and she said, oh, yes, of course,

967
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Speaker 4: we never knew anything about what was happening in the

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Speaker 4: next episode. It was we always found out at the

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Speaker 4: last minute. So I made them get me a basketball coach,

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Speaker 4: you know, for like ten days of cramming, and I

971
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Speaker 4: had blisters on my Oh my god. We could I

972
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 4: could play one on one with Scott, you know, we

973
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 4: had a full basketball team. It was ridiculous.

974
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Speaker 3: Killed it.

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Speaker 5: Oh wait.

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Speaker 2: And also some fun facts, Steven Finch does not appear

977
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Speaker 2: at all in this episode past the present.

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Speaker 3: I c yeah, he's not at all.

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Speaker 4: So that was Ian's well.

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00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but what's crazy?

981
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 4: Oh, because he came into Olivia's life later yes.

982
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes.

983
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Speaker 2: And then Gideon was up all night working on the

984
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Speaker 2: phone right outside the bathroom, oh, right outside the bedroom,

985
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Speaker 2: and Quinn leaves to get coffee as Gideon calls Billy,

986
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Speaker 2: which means Billy needed to drive to Gideon's house, have

987
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Speaker 2: the conversation and stab him all before Quinn got coffee nearby. Yeah,

988
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: well no, we always stretch shit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

989
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: we always would stretch.

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Speaker 4: Just like that.

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Speaker 3: All right, y'all, let's get into our favorite do.

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Speaker 5: Do doo doo doo dooo doo tweet.

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Speaker 4: The I said some time, y'all, we.

994
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Speaker 2: Like to wrap up our episodes with. We read some

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00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: tweets that were put out that night.

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00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 5: Oh my god, we must have just found out. This

997
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 5: is crazy.

998
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Speaker 2: But at Kasha zero two one zero and May eleventh,

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Speaker 2: twenty twelve wrote, I'm so happy, happy about Scale ABC

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Speaker 2: being renewed for a second season.

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Speaker 5: Doing a happy dance right now?

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Speaker 3: Woo who yeah? We must we know right, no, yea season? Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Rebecca Theater of A shown at film fatalos A retweeted

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Speaker 3: a Dawn Novett one time for the hotel scene. I

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Speaker 3: haven't seen a love scene so hot with a black

1006
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 3: lead on primetime TV. Overdue, well done, hashtag scandal. Yeah

1007
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: this was huge.

1008
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 4: That was so funny. How the world has changed? Right? Yeah,

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00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 4: I mean now you wouldn't think twice about it, and

1010
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 4: it was only no, totally, it was it ten years ago,

1011
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 4: ten years ago exactly.

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00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 5: I'm willing to bet.

1013
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: I know we were the first black female lead of

1014
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Speaker 2: a network drama in thirty seven years when we aired.

1015
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: But I'm curious if there had ever been sex scenes

1016
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: between a black woman and a white man on network

1017
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: drama primetime, Like I.

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Speaker 4: Don't know, I know, and I wonder certain I would,

1019
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Speaker 4: and if it was like a regular relationship as opposed

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Speaker 4: to sure the thing I called one episode or something. Yeah,

1021
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 4: isn't that insane?

1022
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: And now I thank god, I feel like that's why

1023
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: Scandal is. I mean, it was so spe for so

1024
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: many reasons, but it really was the beginning. Bring yeah,

1025
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: ground bringing, and thank god you and Carrie we're so

1026
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: hot together because it was missing. Okay, screaming at Scandal

1027
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: right now, throws my wonderful pistachios at the screen at

1028
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: the end of this damn episode from Rebecca Theodor vas

1029
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: shone and then oh this is interesting at Rimsey says,

1030
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 2: oh mg, Kerry Washington has a small hand compared to

1031
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: mister fits hashtag scandal.

1032
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Speaker 3: Don't go there.

1033
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 5: I don't know what that means.

1034
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 3: This other tweet, Queen of Sandy says, reporter dude from

1035
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 3: Scandal was a fool. You can't invite someone into your

1036
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: home alone and tell them you have career ending dirt

1037
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: on them. That's so true.

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00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 5: That's a very very points in your neck's.

1039
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: And then we have our first hashtag from at xyzz

1040
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Speaker 2: in other news. This episode of hashtag Scandal is my

1041
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: favorite so far. Hashtag one minute.

1042
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh man, this is so fun, so fun.

1043
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 5: Guys, Tony, you are the best. We love you and

1044
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 5: this was such a blast.

1045
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: And thank you for being our Fitzgerald Grant the third,

1046
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: forever and ever and ever.

1047
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you guys, Katie, How freaking amazing was it

1048
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 3: having Tony like I couldn't believe it. We I think

1049
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 3: we went over like a lot because we couldn't stop

1050
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: talking to him.

1051
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 4: So great.

1052
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 5: The dude is the greatest. He's just the most loving.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, talent did like smart. Yeah, and Friday the thirteen

1054
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 3: Part six. He's in Friday the third his.

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Speaker 5: First job, his first movie.

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Speaker 2: And isn't it so inspiring that he was someone who

1057
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: had to really hustle for it, especially in the beginning.

1058
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, and then even still when he thought he

1059
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: was and is this big fancy Hollywood director took eight

1060
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: years to put together the movie of Conviction, and then

1061
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: it ends up not doing what everyone promised him it

1062
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Speaker 2: would do, even though it's still an amazing movie, And

1063
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Speaker 2: then his entire career took a complete right turn back

1064
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Speaker 2: to being an actor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah with Scandal. Yeah, oh man, thank you, Thank you

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Speaker 3: everyone for listening. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode

1067
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Speaker 3: as much as we enjoyed talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Next week, if Tony Goldwin blew your mind, which she

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00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: did mine and he's the best, We've got a show

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Speaker 2: in store for you people. Next episode one oh seven

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Speaker 2: is titled Grant for the People, and we've got a

1072
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,479
Speaker 2: very special guest, maybe one of the most special guests.

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00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's the last episode of the of the

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00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 3: season of season one of Scandal.

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Speaker 5: So tell your friends come listen.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox.

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Speaker 2: Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, alex Alce, Lauren Homan,

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Speaker 2: Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is

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Speaker 2: Vince De Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.

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Speaker 1: follow along by rewatching Scandal on Hulu.

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