1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: All right, this is Chase that Lee. This is a 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Philly show. 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: Rubenamar Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's the Lucky. It's a Philly show. 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 2: It is Thursday, December eighteenth, twenty twenty five. How's everybody doing? Jim, 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: how are you doing? 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 3: Ruben? 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 2: Are you doing. 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 3: Going? 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: We're going? 10 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 4: Seriously, look at all the red we are. 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: It's the holiday. We're very festive. We need a little 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 2: eggnog in our hands. Maybe a little hot chocolate with 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: some Bailey's in it. That's my hot chocolate. Well, the 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: Phillies introduced a Doulas Garcia on Tuesday. I wanted to 15 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 2: ask you guys about that. I wanted to talk about that. 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: And also on Wednesday, like less than twenty four hours after, 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: Dave Debrowski said, hey, you know, we don't really have 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: any big needs. We will get a reliever who knows. 19 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: We want to get JT back two years, twenty two 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: million dollars for Brad Keller, so they kind of bolstered 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: the help bolster the back end of their bullpen. 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 5: Interesting move had a great year with the Cubs, really 23 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 5: has found himself as a reliever. He's a former starter, 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 5: tough on Righty's I mean, Dombrowski hinted that they wanted 25 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 5: to get a picture in here who could handle right 26 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 5: handed batters a little bit. My immediate takeaway was, Okay, 27 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 5: you know, they just spent ten million on Adulas Garcia. 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 5: They're budgeting for JT Realmudo, They've already signed Kyle Schwarber 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 5: to a five year deal worth thirty per They're up 30 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 5: against the tacks. They're going to be over three hundred million. Again, 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 5: where are they coming up with this money? I'm wondering 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 5: if they're going to end up moving another reliever, or 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 5: they have a plan to move an infielder to free 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 5: up some money, or if this is a sign that 35 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 5: maybe things aren't going well with JT. I don't want 36 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 5: to be an alarmist there, because I still believe he's 37 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 5: going to end up back here. I guess I would 38 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 5: more lean toward maybe they would subtract some salary. I 39 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 5: wonder if if they were to move Strom, if Keller 40 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 5: is sort of a back end of the bullpen set 41 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 5: up type replacement for Strom from the right side. So 42 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 5: a lot of things that you know will become clear 43 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 5: here as the winter progresses. But an interesting movement guy 44 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 5: I think can help them. 45 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've always thought that this was a priority for them, 46 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 4: regardless of what else was going to happen with regard 47 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 4: to Schwarber and JT. I thought the right handed guy, 48 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 4: the guy that would hand the baseball to Juan Duran, 49 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 4: was a huge one for them. Now Strom has done 50 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 4: a decent job, Alvarado's back, and Tanner Banks was outstanding, 51 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 4: I thought in his role not necessarily an eighth inning, 52 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 4: lockdown guy. But those guys all in their roles did 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 4: a nice job. But you really didn't really get what 54 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 4: you wanted to get out of oryon Kirkering number one, 55 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 4: and he had to struggle at the very end. You're 56 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 4: not sure how he's going to bounce back from that. 57 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 4: But my feeling was that they really did need somebody 58 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 4: who was closer to a lockdown eighth inning guy that 59 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 4: they felt comfortable enough to get the ball to Joan 60 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 4: Duran to close out the games. I think this is 61 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 4: a move not just made for the season, but a 62 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 4: move also made for the playoffs, because that's what they're 63 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 4: trying to do. They're trying to win in the playoffs 64 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 4: and trying to win a World Series and This is 65 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 4: one of those moves that I believe will help them 66 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 4: do that. Since Keller has been as good as he 67 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 4: has been in his whole career last year, recency bias here, 68 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 4: but this man was pretty darn good. 69 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: He was really good last season, really tough on righty's. 70 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: He had one of the best eras of any reliever 71 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: in baseball. Lost whips, a great strikeout rate. It's amazing 72 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: going from the rotation of the bullpen. He had thrascic 73 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: outlets surgery in October of twenty three, struggled in twenty 74 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: twenty four, comes back this year. He adds like three 75 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 2: miles an hour on his fastball and he still got 76 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: like three or four other pitches that he throws. So 77 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: just really great repertoire that really generates a lot of 78 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: swing and miss, generates a lot of chase. And you're right, 79 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: if they hit on him, which they need to hit 80 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: on him now next next July, you're not sitting there. 81 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: We talked about this on Tuesday Show. You know, you 82 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: don't need to go out and get a They gotta 83 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: get a closer, and they got to get this guy. 84 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you know, they don't need to worry so 85 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: much about the bullpen this July. But you know, Jim, 86 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: you mentioned like JT situation and maybe they move some 87 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: salary or they they're planning on it. You know. When 88 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: Dave Dombrowski spoke on Tuesday, I think a lot of 89 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 2: people are like, don't tell me, this is it is 90 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: this it A lot of people upset, upset, upset. And 91 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: I made this point to somebody earlier and I said, 92 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: you know, the off season is not finished yet. You 93 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: don't know what's gonna happen. You know, this is like 94 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: you know, shortly after Brad Keller signed. I mean, they 95 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 2: can still go out and make a trade. Maybe JT 96 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: re signs, maybe he doesn't. Maybe if JT doesn't re sign, 97 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: they invest some money elsewhere to help the line up. 98 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of different ways they could 99 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: go yet, so I wouldn't be really surprised by anything, 100 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: but certainly, you know, I think Brad Keller was an 101 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: important piece to get as they look to shape his bullpen. 102 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: So now they basically have six guys in the bullpen. 103 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: Duran on the right hand side, darn Kirk, Ring, Keller Strom, 104 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 2: Alvarado Banks from the left side. That leaves two open 105 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 2: spots in the bullpen. Coming up later in the show, 106 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: we had a conversation with the Phillies Rule five draft 107 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 2: pick Zach mccambley, who when the Phillies drafted him, drafted 108 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 2: him at the winter meetings. They made a point to 109 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: mention how they're really looking for somebody who's really tough 110 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: on right handed hitters, and last season in the Marlins organization, 111 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: he was really really tough on right handed hitters. So 112 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: they like some of their other younger options. So a 113 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: lot of do you guys, Ruben, do you agree that 114 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: maybe Dave has something up his sleeve, or maybe we 115 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: shouldn't sit there and go they're done. Well, they're definitely 116 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: not done. 117 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 4: The roster will not be cleaned up until shoot, March 118 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: twenty eighth or whatever it is. I mean, the reality 119 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 4: of it is their job is to, you know, GM's 120 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 4: job is to continue to try to improve the team. 121 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: One way, shape or another. 122 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 4: And you don't stop until you're in April, and you 123 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 4: don't stop then until you're in October. And so I 124 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 4: mean it's a never ending process. I know that the 125 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 4: Philly fans tend to jump on every single move thinking 126 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 4: it's the last. But listen, Dave Debrowski's been doing it 127 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 4: this a long long time. A lot of things good 128 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 4: things happening for the Philly fans. One they got an 129 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 4: owner who is dying to have a trophy. Two he's 130 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 4: willing to pay what is necessary to bring that trophy. 131 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 4: Three you have a veteran Hall of Fame type GM 132 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 4: who knows what it takes to be a world champion. 133 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: And four you've got a roster that has been a 134 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 4: contender for the last three or four years and you're 135 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 4: adding to it. This is going to end up being, 136 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 4: I believe, as good a team, if not better than 137 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 4: any of the teams that we've just seen. The twenty 138 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 4: twenty five team is better than twenty twenty four. The 139 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four team was better than twenty twenty three. 140 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 4: So you're getting an improved team. They're not they haven't 141 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 4: had the success in the playoffs, but as far as 142 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 4: the quality and the ability on the team, you're getting 143 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 4: a better team every year. And that's what they're trying 144 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 4: to do to bring this home. 145 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 5: So the Philly fans should. 146 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 4: Be excited about the effort that they're putting forward and 147 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 4: the holes that they're trying to. 148 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: The plug we real quick before we get to Zach mccambley, 149 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: what did you guys make out of the Adulas Garcia 150 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: media availability, kind of what he said about his ability 151 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: to kind of rebound from the past two years, and 152 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: also maybe what Dave Dembrowski and Rob Thompson had his head. 153 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: Anything jump out to you guys about Garcia. 154 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 5: Nothing really jumped out. I mean, we know his what 155 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 5: he's done when he's good. I mean twenty twenty three 156 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 5: when he hit thirty nine home runs, one hundred and 157 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 5: seven RBIs and I think he drove in twenty two 158 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 5: runs in the postseason. Absolutely dynamic offensive player and a 159 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 5: very good defensive player that season. He's taking big steps 160 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 5: backward the last two years offensively with Ops's and the sixes. 161 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 5: They need more than that. They need to just lineup 162 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 5: begging for a right handed producer. And you know, I 163 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 5: do think the ingredients are good for potential bounce back 164 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 5: if he can cut down on the swing and miss 165 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 5: and the chase. But you know, we've heard that from 166 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 5: guys before, and some are able to do it and 167 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 5: some aren't able to do it. Maybe a different voice 168 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 5: in the hitting coach department will help him, but you know, 169 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 5: they really could. I I'm okay with the signing. It 170 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 5: didn't cost him a lot of money, and I think 171 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 5: he's a guy that, even without a full bounce back, 172 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 5: can hit twenty five home runs in this ballpark. 173 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 174 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I talked to Dave Dombrowski. I was supposed 175 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 4: to ask a question, and my UH and my my 176 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 4: computer went on the on the frips, so I ended 177 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 4: up not able to ask the question during the course 178 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 4: of the UH of the media availability, but I texted 179 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 4: him later and we chatted, and basically what I asked 180 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 4: him was a two part question. One, did you feel 181 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: confident that having k Long and their hitting department if 182 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 4: he was a guy, a candidate. The reason why they 183 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 4: brought him in is that they would be confident that 184 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 4: they he'd be able to maybe able to work with 185 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 4: him to make some of the adjustments to make more 186 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 4: consistent contact because he strikes out a lot. 187 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: That's not sugarcoat it. 188 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 4: The man punches out a ton and they don't need 189 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 4: punch outs on this team, but they do need power. 190 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 4: And Dave said he felt confident that k Long and 191 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 4: his group could help him out that's number one and 192 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 4: number two. I think he also sort of alluded to 193 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: the fact that Crawford was going to play center field, 194 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 4: and the reason why he felt probably a little bit 195 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 4: more comfortable giving him the job in center field right 196 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 4: now for him to lose was because now he had 197 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 4: quality on the corners. 198 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,479 Speaker 2: And I'm talking about defensive quality in Marsh and adlas. 199 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 4: Garcia, which is an outstanding two thirds of an outfield. 200 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 4: Now you're hoping that Crawford you can play well enough 201 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 4: to make it even a better outfield and defensively, especially 202 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 4: from last year. 203 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, good pointes. That means Harrison Bader very very unlikely 204 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: to return and less again his market craters for some reason, 205 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: and he's dangling out there. 206 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 5: In like February. If he's out there, the said I 207 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 5: think Jim made a. 208 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 4: Really good point about the possibility since they have the 209 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 4: three left handers and some of them are making some money. 210 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: Both Alvarado and and Strong are. 211 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 4: Making some money into possibility that probably feel like if 212 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 4: they have to and they have to move some salary, 213 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 4: and maybe you have to create some salary for a 214 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 4: guy like JT for instance, if in fact they have 215 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 4: not planned on that kind of upside. You know, they 216 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 4: probably feel like they can move somebody now because they 217 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 4: have Keller in the fold. 218 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: All right, guys, well, let go ahead, Jim No. 219 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 5: And I was gonna say, like you said earlier, it's 220 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 5: a must that they have some quality right handed insurance 221 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 5: for Oriyan Kirker. And we all like the guy and 222 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 5: hope he bounces back. But I'm even referring to beyond that, 223 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 5: he had a real tough season with inherited runners and 224 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 5: they need to be better than that from the right side. 225 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 5: And then you you know, compound it with the what 226 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 5: happened in October and it just becomes a question mark 227 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 5: that you needed to add some insurance behind. So I 228 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 5: definitely like the move of Brad Keller. 229 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And so here we go right now. Zach 230 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: mccambleygue and the Phillies drafted him in the Rule five draft, 231 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: selected him in the Rule five draft last week, and 232 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: he will be competing for a bullpen job this spring. 233 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: Zach mccambley, thanks for joining the Philly Show. Congratulations on 234 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: I guess his congratulations and being selected in the Rule 235 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 2: five draft is that how do you look at it? 236 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 237 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: Thank you, guys, man. Super excited. Didn't really know what 238 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: to expect out of the Rule five draft. Obviously, I've 239 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: been with Miami a twenty so, you know, wasn't really 240 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 3: expecting anything anything from it. 241 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: I got a text leading up to the week. 242 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: Of that draft from my agent just saying, you know, 243 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: there's a chance that you can go. 244 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: So it ended up happening. So I'm I'm hype about it. 245 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: And I imagine you come into every spring, like I'm 246 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: sure like everybody super excited about camp and getting baseball going. 247 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: But now knowing that the Phillies have every incentive to 248 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: give you a really long look this spring, and and 249 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 2: and you know they really want you to make this team, 250 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: does that get you even more excited? U? Does? Do 251 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 2: you look at the spring any differently than any other 252 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: with the Marlins? Yeah? 253 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: So, uh, I finally get a chance to you know, 254 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 3: compete for a spot. I think that's the biggest thing 255 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 3: for me. You know, the last five years I've been 256 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 3: a non roster invite. I've been a backup guy for Miami. 257 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 3: So I've come in and I've been familiar with the 258 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: big league games in the big league setting. 259 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: But to be able to finally get. 260 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: A chance at a legit shot to you know, earn 261 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 3: a spot for myself. 262 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: I couldn't be happier about. 263 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: It, Zach. 264 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 5: Do you know much about the history of the Rule 265 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 5: five draft? Here in Philadelphia we had Shane Victor Reno 266 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 5: and Dave Hollins, and then you know, in a bigger scope, 267 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 5: Johann Santana was a Rule five pick, great pitcher. Do 268 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 5: you draw any inspiration from their stories the opportunities they 269 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 5: received and ultimately cashed in on. 270 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, honestly, not really familiar with much of the 271 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: history of the Rule five Obviously me growing up being 272 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 3: from Pennsylvania. You know, when I was younger, I remember 273 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 3: going to some of the Lehigh Valley games and getting 274 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 3: a chance to meet, you know, some of the guys 275 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: there when I was able to, you know, go on the. 276 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: Field with them and see them. 277 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 3: So I know, it's a it's a it's an honor 278 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 3: to be able to be selected. I know not every 279 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: team you know took a guy this year during the draft, 280 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: but for the Phillies to consider me and be really 281 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: happy when my name got picked, I couldn't be happier 282 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: to get a chance here. 283 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 4: Hey, Zach, congratulations Ruben tomorrow here, And I just was 284 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 4: curious whether or not you knew much about the Phillies organization, 285 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 4: how they handle pitching, what they're pitching, you know, instruction, 286 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 4: their philosophy. Have you talked to anybody about that? And 287 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 4: do you know much about how they go about things 288 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 4: on the mound. 289 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I haven't been able to get too much 290 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: in depth with them. We haven't talked too much. I'm 291 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 3: actually gonna get on a call with some of the 292 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 3: guys today. But you know, as soon as I'm able 293 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: to get more information from them, I know, you know, 294 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: just on a brief conversation with them, you know, they 295 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: understand that my splits, I'm really hard on right hand batters. 296 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 3: So for them, it was they were super excited about 297 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: my strike throwing ability this past year. 298 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: I know in the past I you know, my walk 299 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: rate's been up a little bit. 300 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: But you know, for them, they basically just told me, 301 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: come in and do your thing, be exactly who you are, 302 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: and continue to be hard on right hand bats. 303 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 4: Zach. 304 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: The Phillies mentioned that when they drafted you that you 305 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: are really tough on right handed batters. And one thing 306 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: that they mentioned, the Phillies pro scouting director Mike Gondo 307 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: said that you have a very and looking at the numbers, 308 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: you have a very heavy cutter slider mix. And that's 309 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: something I feel like, Is that something new once you 310 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: started pitching out of the bullpen and can you talk about, 311 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: you know, how you how those pitches are different and 312 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: how they work for you. 313 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. 314 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: So earlier in my career, I was just a four 315 00:16:55,800 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 3: team slider guy. I've always had the same slider grip 316 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 3: and this year, finally we needed something. 317 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: To bridge the two. 318 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 3: So I have the big sweeper that moves fifteen up 319 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 3: to twenty two inches horizontal and then this little bullet 320 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: gyro that I threw. I've always had a really good 321 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 3: ability to spin the baseball. I'm a huge souperinator. So 322 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: for me, it was finding something to bridge the two. 323 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 3: And I was able to keep this gyro pitch as 324 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: a cutter. I don't think cutter when I I kind 325 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 3: of just, you know, think get on the side of 326 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 3: the ball and it creates that bullet spin. It usually 327 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 3: stays between the fives, it's like four and three, and 328 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 3: it kind of just bridges that gap between my four 329 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 3: team and then my big my big slider, which I 330 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: also tweaked this offseason to get more horizontal break on it. 331 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 2: Can you show us, I know you have a baseball 332 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 2: there in your hands, can you show us how you 333 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: throw the gyro slash cutter. Let's start with that and 334 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 2: kind of ye watch through. 335 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, so gyro right here, I'm covering this this blue here. 336 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: It's pretty simple. 337 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 3: I'm getting on the side of the ball here, mini spike, 338 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 3: mini spike. 339 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: And I'm just on the side of the ball right here. 340 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: Very cool, that's awesome. And then what about so and 341 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: you call the other the other breaking ball. You called it, 342 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: call it a sweeper or a slider. 343 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 3: So the sweeper, the sweeper is I'm right on these 344 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: two seams right here. I put my middle finger right there, 345 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 3: make sure my thumb's locked in, and I just lay 346 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: this this pointer finger right next to it. Cut that 347 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 3: off completely. And I'm down here to get the more sweep. 348 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 3: I used to be up here a little bit more, 349 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 3: and now I'm down here and I'm not thinking curveball, 350 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 3: I'm not thinking slider. I'm just thinking throw it as 351 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 3: hard as I can at the hitter's face. And that's 352 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 3: my thoughts with the sweeper As for the gyro, the 353 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 3: gyro is just a smaller, give me over pitch. You know, 354 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: I've I've realized that I've been able to jam a 355 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: lot of guys in especially right he's getting under the 356 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 3: hands of lefties. So yeah, pretty simple pitches. 357 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: Gyro right here. 358 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, they've really really been a big help for me. 359 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: The gyro was a massive upgrade for me, especially with 360 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 3: my four team not having the same kind of numbers 361 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 3: that I used to get on it. I'm actually currently 362 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 3: working on that right now to see if i can 363 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: get my ride back. 364 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: So but yeah, those two pitches my bread and butter. 365 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 3: I'm able to throw them in the zone induced weak contact, 366 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 3: So it's been good for me. 367 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: Man, that's awesome, Zach. 368 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 5: I'm interested in your in your background, you grew up 369 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 5: near the Pocono was correct? 370 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I was born in Neckan, New Jersey, 371 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 3: but I grew up in the Pocono Mountains and actually 372 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: I was able to uh, I was able to play. 373 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 3: My high school played in the Lehigh Valley Stadium all 374 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 3: the time, so I'm super familiar with that area over there. 375 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 3: And yeah, man, like I said, I grew up going 376 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 3: to Phillies games, going up to all kinds of games 377 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 3: up there. I'm from the Northeast, so when I when 378 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 3: I heard that the Phillies took me, I was super shocked. 379 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 3: And I know a lot of my family my friends 380 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: back home were super excited for it. 381 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 5: So who was your favorite Phillies picture as you were 382 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 5: growing up? Who did you enjoy watching. 383 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: All my favorite Philly pictures? 384 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: Man? 385 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 3: I remember, I'm not a lefty now, but I just 386 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 3: I'm not a lefty, but I loved Cliff Lee. I 387 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 3: thought Cliff Lee was awesome back in the day. I 388 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 3: thought he was a stud. 389 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: Obviously, Roy Holliday nasty rest in peace. But yeah, man, 390 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: that too. 391 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 3: I remember that two thousand and eight or two thousand nine, nineteen, 392 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 3: just with Jimmy Rollins, all those guys, Chase Udy. I 393 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 3: it's like surreal that they wanted to you know, they 394 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 3: want me to be a part of that. So it's 395 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: it's super exciting. 396 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 5: And I wanted to point out Ruben was general manager 397 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 5: and the assistant general manager on a lot of those 398 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 5: teams you grew up rooting for, and you and him 399 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 5: both played for Cotuit in the Cape League. 400 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I pitched with k Who did you 401 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 3: say also pitched there? 402 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: I did. 403 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 4: I played there, played there for two years. We won 404 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 4: the championship there. 405 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: One year, kettle Hoe, we wanted to That's awesome. That's right, money, 406 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: that's right. 407 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 3: We won that thing, man, Yes, one of my favorite summers, 408 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 3: by the way. 409 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 5: And you went to Coastal Carolina. You just missed the 410 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 5: national championship, didn't you? 411 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: Just? 412 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: I mean shit, man. 413 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 3: I I committed to Coastal Carolina when I was super young. 414 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: I was probably fourteen or. 415 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 3: Fifteen, So I was with them before they won the 416 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: national championship. 417 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: I was. 418 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 3: I was committed to them, So I like to I 419 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 3: like to claim that. I like to claim that I 420 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 3: was with them before they won the national championship. But 421 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 3: I owe a lot to them, man, Coastal You know, 422 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: to be a man, I wasn't ready to come into 423 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 3: PROBA out of high school. So to be able to 424 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 3: go there learn by myself, develop my skills, it's kind 425 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 3: of just brought me to like where I am today. 426 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 4: Hey, Zach, are you very familiar with the team that 427 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 4: you're going to be joining. I mean, I know that 428 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 4: they've had a lot of playoffs and they've had you know, 429 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 4: obviously a lot of press and stuff. Been a playoff 430 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 4: contending team. Do you know much about the team and 431 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 4: what observe observations do you have about the current Phillies. 432 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 3: Yes, so obviously, you know, I'm always I've always kept up, 433 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 3: you know, obviously with what's going on in the same division. 434 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: I know the talent is through the roof. 435 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be awesome to be in the 436 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 3: same locker room as some of the best players to 437 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 3: play the game, you know, Bright Harp or Tray Turner. 438 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: You know, you can go, you can go on. 439 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 3: Being able to you know, just being from Pennsylvania is surreal. 440 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: And you know, I think the team's in a good spot. 441 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 4: Man. 442 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 3: I think I know they want to win. I know 443 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 3: the Philly fans are super you know, super passionate, and yeah, man, 444 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 3: I'm super excited. I can't wait to get to work 445 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: with the guys. 446 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: Introduce myself. 447 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go over there, actually, because I'm in Tampa 448 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: right now. I'm gonna go over to the facility at 449 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: the end of January and I'm gonna start getting in 450 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 3: there and getting acclimated and getting used to delay the land. 451 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: A little bit. So I'm excited. 452 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: That's awesome. Well, Zach, Zach, Yeah, Zach, good luck man. 453 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 2: We appreciate you spending some time with this. Look forward 454 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 2: to seeing you in spring training, and good luck with everything. 455 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. 456 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 457 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube and 458 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts.