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Speaker 2: You know a little this is called day drinking.

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Speaker 1: That sapp here.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you, good ahead.

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Speaker 1: He handed that beer, and the first thing I said

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Speaker 1: in my brain was, there's no way he's gonna make

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Speaker 1: the head joke. You're gonna make a head joke too, Michael.

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Speaker 2: Hell, we don't need no stinking rooftop because here's what

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Speaker 2: we got.

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Speaker 3: Three of the brightest minds in the game today u

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Speaker 3: f C two seven six and four words for you, brother,

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Speaker 3: real talk.

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Speaker 1: Like man, that's five fucking words. You know.

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Speaker 4: Las Vegas may suck, but International Fight Week's pretty great,

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Speaker 4: and we're here to talk about it, the fighting part anyway.

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Speaker 4: That's Brian Campbell, that's Chuck mindehall. I'm Luke Thomas. This

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Speaker 4: is the official Morning Combat UFC two seventy six pregame preview.

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Speaker 4: What's up, gentlemen, saw lude by the way, boys, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This one we can? We can We toast to chicks

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Speaker 2: without kids. I used to make a lot of toast.

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Speaker 1: I always did. Here's to swimming with bow legged women.

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Speaker 1: It's my favorite.

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Speaker 4: You know, the only thing I shared on Las Vegas.

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Speaker 4: But I gotta say one thing that's about Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: I do like to kid it.

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Speaker 4: It is a little like David Busters if David Busters

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Speaker 4: was a city.

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Speaker 2: But is Michael Chandler on that commercial day.

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Speaker 1: But I will say this about Vegas. The one thing

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Speaker 1: to have great.

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Speaker 4: They not only have weed drive throughs, they have twenty

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Speaker 4: four hour.

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Speaker 1: Weed drive throughs. Wow. So shouts to Vegas. They're living

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Speaker 1: the dream. It's improved quite a bit from the day.

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Speaker 4: It has really you know what, It's sextually true when

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Speaker 4: we first went to Vegas, like in the aughts or

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Speaker 4: like the early twenty tens. I mean, Vegas is Listen,

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Speaker 4: if you like Vegas, it's always been great. But for

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: It's still pretty gross, but it has a lot more

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Speaker 5: I like the days when you could just go to

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Speaker 5: the MGM Grand and you never had to leave it, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: or the Mandola Bay. It was like you're just planted

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Speaker 5: there until you got back to the chuck.

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Speaker 2: In terms of.

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Speaker 3: Washedness and current status, what Vegas casinos could you compare

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Speaker 3: Luke and I to all.

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Speaker 2: Right, or in terms of the.

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Speaker 6: Man that's probably about right.

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Speaker 1: I one time went to a place.

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Speaker 2: My god, No, we're park MGM. At least we're a

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Speaker 1: No, we're the Monte Carlo when it burned and then

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Speaker 1: they replaced it with the parking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm more of the top four floors, the nomad.

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Speaker 2: You know that that's I'm a little class here.

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Speaker 1: You know, Well, that's where that's where the action is

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Speaker 3: Did you not get the memo about these incredible MK

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Speaker 3: bomber jackets that make you look ten pounds later and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a very nice It was a very

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Speaker 4: nice BC saw mine. He was like, you almost look cool.

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Speaker 4: I was like, almost, that's the key.

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Speaker 1: Almost, Chuck, how you've been?

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Speaker 5: But I'm good man, I kind of have to. I

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Speaker 5: prefer the black. I think that's pretty cool. But the

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Speaker 5: green is right there too.

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Speaker 2: You look like the jacket, like your coffee is what

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Speaker 4: Like your search history on red Tube.

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Speaker 2: At some point they are going to want us to

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Speaker 2: talk about fights. But we only have one rule on

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Speaker 3: In case you didn't realize, we're looking unfiltered, we're looking

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Speaker 3: no strings attached.

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Speaker 2: We're looking for real talk like what like men do?

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Speaker 1: How many words? Is that? Brian Camp?

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Speaker 3: So as long as you're as long as you're capable

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Speaker 6: I'm on set.

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Speaker 5: You guys first wanted to do this around a burning

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we normally do this on the roof of

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Speaker 4: this building. But the crew was like, look, we're fucking Union.

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Speaker 3: Now that we're all here and they can't turn the

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Speaker 1: No, Here's what I'll say.

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Speaker 4: I actually disagree, but for maybe a different reason because

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Speaker 4: we asked them to do three things in one day,

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Speaker 1: But if we were doing two of them and they

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Speaker 2: Go chuck.

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Speaker 3: We we are heading into that thing called ifw Does

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Speaker 3: that still mean something in the eyes of an MMA

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Speaker 1: Can't say it's a bad card. You can say, what's

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Speaker 5: I don't say it's a bad card, but it has

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Speaker 5: it definitely has diminished over the years. I mean back

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Speaker 4: Don't know if you went to like the original I

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Speaker 5: I think residually it still feels big because of the

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Speaker 3: Before we transition into this card. What international fight week

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Speaker 3: has felt the biggest for you?

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Speaker 2: In Rectross?

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Speaker 3: Was it the McGregor versus Mendez one because of the buzz.

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Speaker 3: The UFC up this production two hundred, which had in

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to remember the very first one that I

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Speaker 1: Only started going on the road in my forties.

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Speaker 4: I'm a late bloomer in this career life.

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Speaker 5: I know that they've kind of de escalated as time

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Speaker 5: McGregor fight felt, you know, So it kind of just

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But like the thing was like it's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: where's international fight with well courses in Las Vegas? But

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Speaker 4: like I think the point you're trying to raise, perhaps

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Speaker 3: Was fan fat, because Hall of Fame, because you know,

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Speaker 2: So it's not always perfect in that regard.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think they're looking at to open the

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Speaker 3: has to be here. They're looking more, let's load up

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Speaker 1: That's really they did, and it's a commendable car.

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Speaker 4: But also remember they would do the events sometimes initially

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was Hall of Fame that week as well,

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Speaker 1: Chuck Well, open with you event, all right, Israel.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna try and say this right because I've been

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Speaker 4: trying to make a better effort. I was told I'm

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Speaker 4: staying at wrong still. Okay, I'm told it's a dysauna.

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Speaker 7: No, No, I'm told it's is.

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Speaker 1: He is taking on Jared cannoneer. Ye.

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Speaker 4: Two questions for you. One where is is he with

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Speaker 4: What does this do for him?

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Speaker 5: Okay, so you tell me what you guys think about this.

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Speaker 5: I've been I've been kind of mentioned this through each fight.

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Speaker 5: There should be a natural escalation to what I he

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Speaker 6: I think people use the word superstar.

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Speaker 5: I still feel like he's not quite there for whatever reason.

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Speaker 5: I just don't feel and I don't know how you

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Speaker 5: don't hear people talking about like casual people are like

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Speaker 6: I just don't hear it. So I'm not sure.

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Speaker 5: I feel like he's a he feels big within the bubble,

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Speaker 5: but I'm not sure how big he really is outside

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Speaker 5: of it. I think he's a transcendent type of personality.

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Speaker 5: And this is the kind of you know, I keep

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Speaker 5: saying this, but I'm like, these are the kinds of

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Speaker 5: fights when they put a big spotlight it's international fight week,

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Speaker 5: that should get him over more and like should feel big,

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Speaker 5: but it doesn't feel as big.

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Speaker 1: I totally disagree with you do.

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Speaker 2: Really I lean much more on Chuck's side in this debate.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you could be as far on

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Speaker 3: in digging into it. But do you think if it's true,

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Speaker 3: if some of what he's saying is true.

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Speaker 1: What is the root cause of it?

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Speaker 2: Is it just the fact that he didn't go for

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Speaker 3: It the fact that he was talking big things about

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Speaker 1: With that fucking smirk on your face, which I know

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Speaker 3: What's the difference then between who Silva Anderson. Silva became

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Speaker 6: People care about Anderson.

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Speaker 4: Have as many of those memorable moments yet? But like, dude,

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Speaker 5: It didn't really affect the way I looked at him.

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Speaker 3: He's almost he's almost got like a Paul Brother personality.

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Speaker 1: So you have I know that you like analytics.

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Speaker 1: It's just like he falls more in the woodwork of

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Speaker 5: But it doesn't have to read everything about We've established there's.

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Speaker 3: Things that he doesn't have yet. But do you think

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Speaker 3: what is what I.

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Speaker 5: Think it's more toward what you said, like, I don't think.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he's yielding to try to do that.

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Speaker 5: You know exactly, He's just gonna let he has an

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Speaker 4: You're making you're making it sound like it's a character

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Speaker 1: It's frankly a character trademark.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's it's it's it's It speaks well of

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Speaker 1: And if you like it, you like it. If you don't,

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Speaker 3: Much are you looking at the exact dimensions of his

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Speaker 3: areola to know the odds and how it breaks down?

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Speaker 3: You're the worst actual fight against Jared Cannonier.

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Speaker 1: You're the worst your worst.

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Speaker 2: Nipple gate was the thing. I'm just really seriously it was.

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Speaker 3: Look, is he deservedly at the time, you know, right

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Speaker 2: I think is you know if you had him one,

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Speaker 5: Maybe?

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Speaker 5: I am excited about it to an extent. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I feel like, thirty eight years old, we know what

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Speaker 6: Can go in there and do these things.

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Speaker 5: I think he's an interesting matchup for Israel at Asnia,

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Speaker 5: but I is He's just seems to hand That's one

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Speaker 5: thing I will say about him. He handles these situations,

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Speaker 5: It doesn't seem like he's affected by a bigger spotlight.

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Speaker 5: It just seems like he's always loose.

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Speaker 1: I don't really I don't see why it would be

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Speaker 4: Again, I have a very different feeling. This is quite realty, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think this is trapped fight city.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, yeah, this is trap fight.

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Speaker 2: Fet your anger Annakin. I believe in Cannoneer more than

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Speaker 1: No, No, I have a different viauty.

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Speaker 4: So I guess we'll we'll split it, so you and

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Speaker 4: I will split the difference with him, which is following.

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Speaker 4: I certainly Jared Cannoneer is crazy talented, right, and he

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Speaker 4: the other hand, I think it would be fair to

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Speaker 4: This is a fight. I think most observers would favor

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Speaker 1: Right, You look at this, it's Izzy. Izzy should not

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Speaker 6: You say, Izzy, then you don't have to mess with this.

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Speaker 2: That's right?

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Speaker 1: Is he should not lose this. To be clear, I

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Speaker 4: Well, even if he has difficult matchups, he has his

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Speaker 4: was Molly Meatball or Meatball Molly and uh Patty Pandler whoever.

444
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,880
Speaker 4: They were partying next to cannon ear and he had

445
00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,560
Speaker 4: fucking laser eyes. And I guess I think Ariel interviewed

446
00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,280
Speaker 4: him about it and he was like, yeah, I'm there

447
00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:01,120
Speaker 4: to party under that.

448
00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm like other, Like, dude, he is intense. He is

449
00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,080
Speaker 1: fucking crazy intense. I hate You're right.

450
00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,879
Speaker 4: He has purpose, he has focused himself, he has drive.

451
00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,320
Speaker 4: Jared Cannoneer, you can say what you want. He won thousand.

452
00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,520
Speaker 1: Percent believes he's going to beat a destiny of that day.

453
00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,480
Speaker 4: So my point is is he is in a different

454
00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,640
Speaker 4: spot in his career. What does he does he want

455
00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:20,879
Speaker 4: to stay at one of the five, does he want

456
00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:21,359
Speaker 4: to go to two of.

457
00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:22,639
Speaker 2: Them have same motivation for this?

458
00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,520
Speaker 4: And does he have the same motivation because this is

459
00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,600
Speaker 4: a little bit in terms of in terms of ranking.

460
00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,600
Speaker 1: This has been there, done that. Jared is his own man,

461
00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:30,239
Speaker 1: but that kind of thing.

462
00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,760
Speaker 4: So the point I feel like is if he is

463
00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,399
Speaker 4: not as focused as he normally is, I guarantee you

464
00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:36,320
Speaker 4: Kennoneer will.

465
00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,879
Speaker 3: Since because no, but first and foremost, though one second

466
00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:39,960
Speaker 3: is just to say you're right.

467
00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,919
Speaker 2: But it can't just be knockout threat.

468
00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,440
Speaker 3: I've seen a different Cannoneer since Robert Whitaker lost, where

469
00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,879
Speaker 3: he started way too late to put something together. He

470
00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,080
Speaker 3: had a moment there against Whiticker he couldn't capitalize on.

471
00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,120
Speaker 3: I think since then it's changed his approach. He realizes

472
00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,360
Speaker 3: I can't get all the way with that approach and

473
00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,320
Speaker 3: just try to be that smart counterpuncher and land that

474
00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,840
Speaker 3: one big shot that changes the moment him. Since then,

475
00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,320
Speaker 3: I've seen his boxing people talk about this. We still

476
00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,040
Speaker 3: look at him as an all or nothing slugger. From

477
00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,320
Speaker 3: a distance, you zoom in a little bit closer on

478
00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,600
Speaker 3: the wins. Since then, his boxing is very good and

479
00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,879
Speaker 3: he's adding in so much more head movement and nuances

480
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,280
Speaker 3: to his game that he look if he's just all

481
00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:17,720
Speaker 3: or nothing.

482
00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,920
Speaker 2: Audis Sonia destroys that style.

483
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,640
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the kind of style made for aut

484
00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,399
Speaker 3: A Sonya, right, or maybe it's a boring fight because

485
00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,639
Speaker 3: the thread of that makes aut Of Sonia kind of

486
00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,520
Speaker 3: But no, dude, this is a different cannoneer. And if

487
00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,080
Speaker 3: that different cannoneer shows up and he's willing to risk

488
00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,119
Speaker 3: getting knocked out to try to win this, this is

489
00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,560
Speaker 3: a very interesting fight, very because you're okay, The next

490
00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,080
Speaker 3: question is, then how does he do that?

491
00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,160
Speaker 2: What if he starts establishing a heavy early leg kick

492
00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,920
Speaker 2: attack like heavy where it gets to a point where

493
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,040
Speaker 2: you know, Attosign's got to make legitimate changes. I think

494
00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,520
Speaker 2: there's ways that at the surface, you look at the

495
00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:54,560
Speaker 2: matchup with the ads.

496
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Speaker 3: You go, Okay, I know, I know it's going to

497
00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,280
Speaker 3: happen here, But no, I'm thinking that they're mixed with

498
00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,200
Speaker 3: your trap fight for different reasons.

499
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,600
Speaker 5: The punching range wee think about Israel Asnya is he

500
00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,560
Speaker 5: can almost come off like he's overlooking opponents because he's

501
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,200
Speaker 5: so cocky and arrogant. But he uses that as part

502
00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,760
Speaker 5: of his personality. That's who he is, right, Like you mentioned,

503
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,720
Speaker 5: I don't really feel like he's a guy who gets complacent, though,

504
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,480
Speaker 5: Like when we say trap fights a lot of times,

505
00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,600
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, is it like the Amanda Nunas has

506
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,720
Speaker 5: not really taken Julianna Penas seriously issue.

507
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:23,320
Speaker 6: I don't know.

508
00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't really get the sense he does that.

509
00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,040
Speaker 6: Like I feel like he is his identity.

510
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,760
Speaker 5: Is tied to his training and like his you know,

511
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,000
Speaker 5: like just everything I've ever been, Like, he could be

512
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,680
Speaker 5: a bigger start, he could be out doing those things,

513
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,480
Speaker 5: but I feel like he is so kind of dialed

514
00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,760
Speaker 5: into his training and like breaking these guys down. I

515
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,000
Speaker 5: don't feel like he'd go in there and get caught

516
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,399
Speaker 5: in a way that would be like, well I was

517
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,119
Speaker 5: just overlooking this guy like McGregor against Yeah, yeah, that

518
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:45,560
Speaker 5: type of thing.

519
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,399
Speaker 1: No, I don't anticipate that. But let me counter with this.

520
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 1: Let me hear what you have to say.

521
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,240
Speaker 4: Sure, but the margin of error at this level and

522
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 4: in that context is slim. Any any deviation from your

523
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 4: normal focus can have huge consequence.

524
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 5: This is the great thing though, And when you're talking

525
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,719
Speaker 5: about Anderson Silva. The parallel is when he gets these

526
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 5: challenges guys who have knockout power, These guys who have

527
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 5: like today, the guys that Andrew and Silver were facing

528
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 5: back then didn't have nearly the rounded game that these

529
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 5: guys are facing, like israel A de Sonia. I just

530
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 5: I find it fascinating on that level because each guy

531
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,400
Speaker 5: actually does come with a big, hefty amount of doubt,

532
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 5: like that they can go in there and do something

533
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 5: against Israela. So and that becomes the part of the

534
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 5: fascinating thing how he handles that. I'm pretty I mean,

535
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Speaker 5: I'm with.

536
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Speaker 1: You, guys. I could see it.

537
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 5: I could see where I wouldn't be surprised at this

538
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 5: point if if Cannoner goes in there and establishes something

539
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 5: crazy where we're like, well, I didn't see that coming

540
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, he's a winner.

541
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Speaker 2: But man, what if he's what if he's taking them down?

542
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 4: If Cannoneer trains at MMA Lab, which is an excellent

543
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 4: team with very smart, capable people, and there's a lot

544
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 4: of film on Izzy at this point, they're going to

545
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 4: have a good game plan.

546
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,440
Speaker 5: You called this before we were talking about a fight

547
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 5: in the preview showing I probably said no, no, but you said,

548
00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 5: what if it's a heavy wrestling thing, and yeah, that's right.

549
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 1: You're like this fucking dumb ass, So you never know.

550
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 2: Here's my point. Like, the thing about Cannoneer is am

551
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: I asking does? It's not like I'm asking too much

552
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 2: of him. It's possible. It's possible given his age, given.

553
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 3: How great Out of Sonya is, But I don't think

554
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 3: age is gonna be a factor.

555
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 2: He's prime right now, he's ready. This is all or

556
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 2: nothing for cannon Air.

557
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 3: Will he fight like it's all or nothing meaning to

558
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 3: really employ the style that I want him to employ.

559
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 3: He's almost got to fight closer to Gastallum did against

560
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,640
Speaker 3: Out of Sonya. Do we think a Cannoneer is capable

561
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 3: of a high speed attack like that, because sometimes, like

562
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 3: against Whitaker, for most of it, he spent way too

563
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 3: much time trying to find the perfect shot.

564
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 2: That was never going to be there, or or that

565
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 2: came close but was.

566
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 5: Never Like back in the day, you could have said

567
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 5: Anderson Silver guys like that, You're like, well, UFC wants

568
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 5: them to win because they want to keep having this

569
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 5: name brand that they're plug into big pay per views?

570
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 5: Do they care on that level for Israel out of sonya.

571
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Speaker 1: Are y'all are some motherfucking hear this? They do? You know?

572
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, have you ever even tried to

573
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: feel like there's I must be out of my mind?

574
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 5: Not spec I mean we're talking specifically about us on you,

575
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 5: I mean, do they want to put investment in their

576
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 5: young undefeated and in terms of middleweight champion not you?

577
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well okay, how about is he thirty three?

578
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

579
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: I mean yes, okay, so still in that little prime

580
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: window right on the.

581
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 2: Edge of Silva. By the way, also was at his

582
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: best at this age?

583
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah too, So okay, at the time when he's most

584
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: most ready to take another step. Yeah no, no, no, I

585
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: mean I get that, but I'm saying, like, fuck.

586
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 5: Then used to be devastating like that. Does the UFC

587
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 5: care on those levels anymore?

588
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: They are?

589
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 6: They indifferent to an extent like.

590
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 4: So in the sense you're talking about, which is they

591
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 4: took out the volatility of their business model because they used.

592
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 5: Yes, because they used to have huge rooting in it.

593
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 5: That's right, that's right, and there's champions staying.

594
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: They're definitely much more neutral about that now.

595
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 4: But for sure they would much have Izazy much rather

596
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 4: Izzy keep winning. I think they've put a lot into that,

597
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 4: and there's been a lot said about it.

598
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 2: Okay, but do you get the feeling that canon Air

599
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 2: could be someone who could be willing to go for it?

600
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 2: I mean, to go for it, you have to risk

601
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 2: getting countered and knocked out clean, right.

602
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: Which is very, very not great against.

603
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: But Dudeker in a fight that Canoner didn't do much.

604
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: Did you catch up with Whitaker?

605
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: He did, He's gonna have his moments.

606
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 4: I think this interesting part to me is like we

607
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 4: haven't really seen Izzy hurt, hurt, hurt since the Gasoline fight.

608
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: Right, What was the last time you saw him hurt?

609
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 4: You're right, no, I think that's right taken down maybe

610
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 4: like a big shot rocked his head back, but like

611
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 4: really when.

612
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 3: He when he tasted that kick in round one against Romero,

613
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 3: you know that kick I'm talking about, get kicked in

614
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 3: the face, and then that was what kind of put

615
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 3: him in a defensive shell.

616
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: Was due You're so wrong about Izzy. I can't tell

617
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: if you're racist.

618
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 5: I can't tell if you're racistow wow.

619
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 1: I'm teasing you're not racist, But I'm just saying, I

620
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: can't you two like a fucking I don't know. I'm

621
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: just whatever, fuck this guy. I'm kidding. He's dude, He's

622
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: a I think he's phenomenal.

623
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Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, I'm just saying, I don't know.

624
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, if they had put if

625
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 4: they had put Izzy versus imagine it hadn't happened yet.

626
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 4: If they had put Izzy versus Whittaker two as International

627
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 4: Fight week, would you feel a little differently because that

628
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 4: would be a real like, Hey, we're putting this fight.

629
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 4: This is a real big test fight. Who's going to

630
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 4: be the guy? What's gonna happen here?

631
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: Done three?

632
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: Though? Right now?

633
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: This could be that actually done three?

634
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: I do because I thought Whitaker won the second fight,

635
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 3: just like when Max lost the second fight to Volkanovski

636
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: in a row. I'm like, no, I thought Max won that,

637
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 3: I'd be willing to do a third.

638
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: Hey, we're doing a third the same night, right like

639
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 2: I would have been willing to do a third. There's

640
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: no question. But I'm not crap. I'm not crapping on

641
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: this as the main event.

642
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: I'm not even crapping on Issy as you think I

643
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 3: am I think I have him?

644
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 2: I think we're three pound for pound? Where do you

645
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: rank him in for that?

646
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 5: I mean I don't really do the pound for pound okay,

647
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 5: but I would say he's he's in the top three.

648
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 2: It's really Volkanovsky and him right, that's.

649
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: And and then you know Jones has drifted just by

650
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 3: not fighting.

651
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: Is it the last thing I guess on this?

652
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 5: But is it Jared Canner being the type of B

653
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 5: side that I mean, Like, if we're sitting here talking

654
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 5: like this, maybe part of that stick question. Let's say

655
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 5: if you put I don't know who, Let's say that

656
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 5: Padetta like the guy who beat him in kickboxing. Suddenly

657
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 5: he gets there and we have a natural rivalry. They've

658
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 5: got the B role. They can actually plug this in,

659
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 5: have a backstory. Would that's would that you.

660
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?

661
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 6: Would that then suddenly be like no, we.

662
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Speaker 4: Have people are lazily saying, hey, who is look at

663
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 4: their careers. Look at the middleweight campaign of Jared Kennonner,

664
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 4: look at the middleweight campaign of is Who's is better?

665
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: It's an easy call and he's done much more.

666
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 4: And then there's they just use that as like, well,

667
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 4: then Jared must not have much of a chance.

668
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.

669
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 4: I tend to think that this is he is capable

670
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 4: of hurting and finishing quite literally anyone that and they.

671
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 2: Come down to the power crystals.

672
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: I'll say this much.

673
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 4: The big thing, the big thing pay attention to is

674
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 4: to what extent is I always harp on this. I

675
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 4: want to make sure I get it on record. I

676
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 4: think that it's not really possible from almost any one

677
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 4: a fiver or any striking to a fiver to beat

678
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 4: is he if they don't take away his leg kicks.

679
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 4: You have to have some capacity to do it. Blohovich

680
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 4: did the wrestling plus checking. That was the way he

681
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 4: was able to do it. But if you don't, he

682
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 4: elects those throughout the course of twenty five minutes, and

683
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 4: people were like, oh you want Olytis, motherfuckers, He's going

684
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 4: to keep doing this until you just accept what it is.

685
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: And also Blahovich's jab was so key in that to

686
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: like sure to draw a line to Izzy of erms

687
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: of like you can have only so much success without

688
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: a big receipt coming back, and that's obviously something we

689
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: would want out of Cannoneer to try to, you know,

690
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: discipline Izy, or at least warn him of your power

691
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: early enough so that he can't get into that first

692
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: gear and start going downhill against.

693
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Speaker 4: I think I think Cannonear is going to make it ugly.

694
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 4: I think he's if you try and strike it range

695
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 4: with him, which he might for a time, I think

696
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 4: I will go poorly for him. But if he can

697
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 4: rough him up, get on the inside, push him around,

698
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 4: just make it a fight where you got power on

699
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: the inside, and he does and he's got he's quick,

700
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 4: and he's powerful. Again, I would still favor Izzy. I'm

701
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 4: going to favor Izzy, but I think that's a tougher fight.

702
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

703
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 3: Here's the I think we all think of the three

704
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 3: of us, and maybe most watching that is he's going

705
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: to win, and that maybe he should win, and where

706
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 3: they're at in both of their careers and their actual

707
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: you know, pluses and minuses compared against each other.

708
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: But I think it's going to be a fight though.

709
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 3: This is going to be a competitive, entertaining, fun match,

710
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 3: and I think Cannoneer is going to have windows. They

711
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: could be fleeting quick moments, but he's going to have

712
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: moments to potentially capitalize and change the momentum.

713
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 2: And I think it's going to be one of those

714
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: ten kind of dramatic fights.

715
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: So see, this is what the previous show is supposed

716
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: to do.

717
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: It is like get you could you just get goosebumps

718
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: a little bit? Oh wow?

719
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: He was feeling my aura on my energy? Yes, you

720
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: know I want you go bag him? Was the color

721
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: of my energy amber.

722
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: Color?

723
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: Yes?

724
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: All right?

725
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 4: Uh last thing on cannon ear, I was just I

726
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 4: was just thinking, I think that less than his own

727
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 4: LYA kicks.

728
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: Just want to put this on record as well.

729
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 4: I think his inside punching, I think that will be

730
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 4: either if that's if that's a big role. That's a

731
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 4: different fight. Okay, takes us to the comine, which I mean,

732
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 4: this is why you two. I mean the fucking listen

733
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 4: to this muppets uh career here. The co main event

734
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 4: is the most interesting trilogy, one of the most interesting

735
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 4: trilogies in all of UFC history, and it's such an

736
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 4: important fight in the featherweight division, former champion Max Holloway

737
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 4: for the third time taking on Volkanovsky boys. It is

738
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 4: quite rare for mm A trilogies to happen when a

739
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 4: guy has lost the first two days happened with like

740
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 4: for example and Silvan Rampage among others, but they're not often.

741
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: Chuck, this is a huge fight.

742
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 4: When you think about the significance of this fight, how

743
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 4: do you articulate it?

744
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 5: Well, there's there's a bunch of things you look at,

745
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 5: like Max all Away being who he is and then

746
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 5: looking how he's looked on ABC against Calvalncator. To me,

747
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 5: that was one of the most masterful, dominant performances ever.

748
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: Do you think that was the best Luke and Iward

749
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: bing This is that the best version of Max? Or

750
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 3: is it the second although knockout? Or is it the

751
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: Anthony Pettis fight to get the interim strap?

752
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 5: Man, I'm probably go to that Cater fight. It was

753
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 5: just I mean, this is the one side of traffic

754
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 5: at that and just because he was like, like, go

755
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 5: another five rounds.

756
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: I mean it was like Jimmy Hendricks out there playing

757
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: the national anthem. He was just like.

758
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: It was did Jimmy Hendricks master so like for him

759
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: to what was that Jimmy Hendrix?

760
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 5: So the reason it seems, the reason it's compelling is,

761
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 5: like you mentioned, was close enough where you know, like

762
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 5: there was a lot of doubt as to one. You know, like,

763
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 5: so you have that, but I think Max in the

764
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 5: way he's looked and his name and the momentum and

765
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 5: the motivation everything that goes into that.

766
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: He just has to me like he's got like a bigger.

767
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 5: Feel to him going into a trilogy fight with the

768
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 5: guy who's beat him twice than any other fight.

769
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 6: It was kind of a weird setup.

770
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: Man, It's like your hand was in Chuck shot.

771
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 8: It was then Volkanovsky to like cut his mark, and

772
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 8: then volcan being at the at the highest and you know, uh,

773
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 8: at the highest, very highest level, and I mean it's

774
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 8: just it's compelling on every level you want to look at.

775
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a person question?

776
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 4: Okay, said time out. He's got the stills, So everyone

777
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 4: on the broadcast. Now Brian Campbell officially has the silly.

778
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: I don't think.

779
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: Honest, here we go, how many times have you watched

780
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: Folkanovski too and Part B?

781
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: How many times do you think it's it's you know,

782
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: it should.

783
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: Be acceptable in the terms of human decency.

784
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 4: So Dad Campbell over here, if you don't know the reference,

785
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 4: here he's doing the forty nine times joke.

786
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: Okay, because apparently that's because Luke tweeted out. It turns out, Chuck,

787
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: people don't know this.

788
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: If you've been hitting the head with a hammer or

789
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 4: eating paint chips, that joke is joy funny.

790
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: Remember when you were a kid. I forgot all about that,

791
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: but I don't remember.

792
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 6: I know what it.

793
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: Remember when you were a kid in some in middle

794
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: school and some dude be like, no, I got a girlfriend.

795
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,239
Speaker 2: She just lives in another state, and you'd be like, yeah, right.

796
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: So this guy talking about that a duncton high school.

797
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: First of all, because he was God, that's not what

798
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: a case. Now, that's a wives tale.

799
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: But number two, the one where he said that it

800
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: took him like fifty beers in his prime to get drunk.

801
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: That was another one.

802
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: This is purple month. He's taking the story I told

803
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: and then turning it to steroids. Tell you what's what

804
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: I said? It's not what I said.

805
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, But number three, I know Luke watches tape. You

806
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: know Dominic Chris would love him.

807
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 4: He watched a million times. I did not watch it

808
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 4: front to back foot him. Did he really watch I

809
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 4: have forty nine basically the full note taking sessions.

810
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: No matter how many times you have watched it? Up?

811
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 6: Don't I have not watched it.

812
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: Don't be the.

813
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: Wedge that breaks this marriage.

814
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 5: You guys are like every time I come back, this

815
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 5: has gotten a little little domestic.

816
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: It may or may not be sexy.

817
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: Where do you not only on who?

818
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: Who?

819
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: Should you know in hindsight who should have won the

820
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: second fight? And how close was the first one in

821
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: your eyes? Because sometimes we falsely say that both were disputed.

822
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: That's not the case.

823
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I thought they are both disputed.

824
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, they are not watched it analytically, And it almost feels,

825
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 5: you know, like if you've watched it's enough of as

826
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 5: many times as you said and.

827
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 6: All that stuff, like obviously I have not watched.

828
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 5: It to that degree, but I have seen it twice

829
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 5: the second one, and I can make the case.

830
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: Forty seven more. Dude, you get your case.

831
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 5: You can make the case that it's one one for sure, man,

832
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 5: at least in my mind.

833
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: Okay, actually, did you did you score the first one for?

834
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? I the first one for I was there. I

835
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: had it for Volkanowski for three to two, and you

836
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: think MAXI won the second place?

837
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 6: Okay? Yeah, what did you though? So?

838
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: In conclusion in real time. I don't really remember, but

839
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: I do believe and I have just even know.

840
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: You had Max in real time and then you went

841
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: back to Volkovka after watching That's.

842
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I think in the end, I guess that's right.

843
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 4: I guess in the end, the place I came to

844
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 4: was I think Volkanovsky won both. And I know that's

845
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 4: not a popular take, and I also recognize when I

846
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 4: say that, that's not me saying there is not a

847
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 4: case for Max. There of course is a case for

848
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 4: Max if you had which cameras at this one, Yes,

849
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 4: if you have a Max scorecard, totally reasonable. But I'm

850
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 4: just telling you where I arrived in the end. You

851
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 4: know what's kind of interesting. I think folks kind of

852
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 4: missed the point on those. It's like, dude, I mean, okay,

853
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 4: so Mendez dropped Volkanowski in their fight, but outside of

854
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 4: that moment, like Max has made Volkanovka.

855
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: Two moments, he dropped them twice.

856
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to.

857
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 4: Say is the two fights, Volkanovsky has never struggled more

858
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 4: than he did against Max. Max has pushed Volkanovsky to

859
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 4: what I would call the limits that we've seen from him,

860
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 4: except for I guess the ortega of stuff. Yeah, but

861
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: I mean in terms of like the duration and difficulty,

862
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 4: like he's never had to strain in that kind of

863
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 4: way over a consistent period of time. But dude, I

864
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 4: think Volkanovsky, I mean, how winnable do you think this

865
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 4: fight is for Max?

866
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: Because the point I.

867
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 4: Want to make is I think Volkanovsky has got a

868
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 4: game plan that is the future, but I also believe

869
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 4: that Max really actually, if anybody can beat Volkanovsky, it's.

870
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 5: Right, Like you've mentioned this too, Like he does stuff

871
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 5: in there, like you can sort of pinpoint moments where

872
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 5: you're seeing him do something that, oh get doing him

873
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 5: within team are very smart. So that's what makes it

874
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 5: fascinating to me. It's just that both guys will come

875
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 5: up with different things they're thinking, they're going to think

876
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 5: they're going to be exploited, but both guys also are

877
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 5: adaptable within a fight to kind.

878
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: Of change it up within the fight.

879
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it just impressed you in the rematch for

880
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: how he came out and changed and changed the narrative

881
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: in the first couple of rounds, right like.

882
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: It was like, oh shit, like he's great. We knew

883
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: he was great No, he's really great, you know what

884
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Like that was a moment.

885
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: But he couldn't sustain it. That was the problem, which

886
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: speaks too. He came out hot, no.

887
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 4: Doubt about it, dropped him with that knee, which they

888
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 4: didn't count as a knockdown, but it was certainly a

889
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 4: great shot. But dude, the problem with Volkanowski is man,

890
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 4: it's like Mayweather. If you don't steal enough rounds early,

891
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 4: you are not going to take him an.

892
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: It's not that Alex didn't Alex turn the fight back

893
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: in his direct I mean it was incredible, you know. Uh,

894
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: he's he outthunk.

895
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 3: A guy who surprised me by how much he outthunked

896
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: the thinker. I just thought, think myself with that. But

897
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: here's what I really wanted to ask you.

898
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: Chuck Luke and I were talking about the Aya Rodriguez fight,

899
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: Like if this was directly after the Cater fight, we'd

900
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, I'm my favorite Max here, you know

901
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like it because it's that close in

902
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: your mind, does the or does the Yea Rodriguez wild

903
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: up and down fight back and forth dramatic give you

904
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: more confidence at how well rounded and how much wisdom

905
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: this version of Max has or does it does?

906
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: Does it make you a little nervous because this is

907
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: a more violently focused Volkanovsky in terms of striking than

908
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: we've ever seen.

909
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 5: What I look at it more like Volkanovsky to me

910
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 5: has gotten better. And you're right, like he comes on

911
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 5: within a fight stronger, and if you don't get him down,

912
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 5: or if you don't hurt him or something earlier, I

913
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 5: just feel like it's always going to be his fight,

914
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 5: you know. Like I also think that, like you look

915
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 5: at larger patterns within the fight game, it doesn't matter

916
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 5: that it's close. When you look at the official you know,

917
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 5: the official nod going to Volk, I think that benefits

918
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 5: you psychologically. I think somehow, you know what I mean,

919
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 5: Like these guys, it's very difficult for the guy coming

920
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 5: into that situation to get over the hump. And I

921
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 5: just I don't know, I just I wouldn't pick against Volkanovka,

922
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 5: even though I love what Max has been doing. I

923
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 5: think he's at just a really unique part of his

924
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 5: career because having lost those fights, I feel like he's

925
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 5: even bigger going into this one than maybe he was then.

926
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 5: It's just kind of a crazy situation, But I have

927
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 5: a hard time picking against Volkanovs.

928
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: Would I don't even want to say this, but like,

929
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you look at Max's career. He's thirty, and

930
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: he already has like two you know, he already has

931
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: like the equivalent of like two Hall of Fame careers together.

932
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: I mean, he's had incredible the win streak that everything.

933
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 3: Could he get old overnight? Like could this end up?

934
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 3: Like if Volkanovski wins, We're kind of thinking it's probably

935
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 3: gonna be like three rounds to two, kind of like

936
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: the first two fights, right, That's what a lot of

937
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: us are thinking by default.

938
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: But because I.

939
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,959
Speaker 3: Saw a different Volkanovski against Korean zombie, who is making

940
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: it a point to basically say, oh, you think I'm

941
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: a point fighter? I mean usman kind of just said

942
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 3: the same thing, Oh you think I'm a wrestler, Only no,

943
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to show you that I can strike. What

944
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 3: if Max the miles that Max has catches up to

945
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 3: him so quickly, just as vulcany Volkanovski might be better

946
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: than even his harshest critics realize that he actually is.

947
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 3: Could that be a perfect storm where like we're like

948
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: you know, Mex gets gets kind of banged up here.

949
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 2: I mean, could could that be? Is that a possible?

950
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

951
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 6: I think it's possible. I mean because we've seen it before.

952
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 5: We've seen guys, we've seen that exact thing before where

953
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 5: a guy like who's always looked very good and we've

954
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 5: had weird you know, the bizarre Halloway time. Remember when

955
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 5: he was on that interview and we were wondering, like

956
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 5: if he's okay. At that point, I was already doubting,

957
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 5: like is he is this it?

958
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: You know? Then he came back and beat I know,

959
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: so it's like he's done.

960
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 5: He's kind of like and destroyed him, like not just

961
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 5: beat him, but just like you know what I mean,

962
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 5: like you see him through this process.

963
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 6: But I kind of do know what you're talking about.

964
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 5: There's there's a point in time where the guy you

965
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 5: see guys break because remember if if there was gonna

966
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 5: be a guy that kind of breaks him that way.

967
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: Right, This is why you compare it to where Holloway

968
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 3: was fighting. Although the first time I was shocked when

969
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 3: Holloway walked down and stopped Jose in that first fight.

970
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: I mean just I mean, they both had moments early,

971
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: but then once he put that together and he finished him,

972
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: I was like, like, I know, we saw all the

973
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 3: one punch knocked out by Connor, but that's just different circumstances,

974
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 3: different sort of fluke or or perfect luck or whatever.

975
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: He got handled by.

976
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 3: Max White, but it was Jose at the same point

977
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: in his career that Max kind of is now where

978
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: it's like you're young, but those miles like there's a

979
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: receipt coming right.

980
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 4: It happened, dude, love And let's think about that, like

981
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: even in fights where he's done really well and even

982
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 4: let's say won, but even once he's lost too, like

983
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 4: the first Paria fight, took a lot of damage with

984
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 4: the McGregor fight, got his head snap back a million times, Bermudez.

985
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: And it goes on and on and on, and.

986
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 4: Then you think about the dust and the second Dustin

987
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 4: Arrier fight. How about the last year You're Rodriguez fight, how.

988
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: About that last ten seconds.

989
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 4: He's had some fights that were easy, like the Olivera,

990
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 4: even the Volcanusk. If I didn't take a ton of damage,

991
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: it mean's quite fine. But I'm just saying he has

992
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 4: had some I mean, Max Holloway has been in the trenches,

993
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: so you wonder he's thirty years old, so that's not old.

994
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 4: But he started at twenty in the UFC to ten

995
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 4: years of UFC, that's a lot, that's all.

996
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: That's a lot of fighting. So I guess we're gonna

997
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: have to see with that. But then we'll look.

998
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: At their fight a lot differently.

999
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 4: If that's true, right, Yeah, that could have been a

1000
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 4: turning flash standers right for him then, So then it

1001
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 4: brings me to this, Chuck, Let's think about that. Let's

1002
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 4: talk about a world where Max Holloway wins or Max

1003
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 4: Holloway loses. Now BC and I believe, and I think

1004
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 4: you probably will agree, if not tell me, even if

1005
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 4: he loses with the existing resume, if Max Holloway retired instantly,

1006
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 4: I think he's a Hall of Famer.

1007
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I think he's a Hall of Famer.

1008
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, but he's he's even way higher than

1009
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: just the.

1010
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 4: Whole right, right, But I think he meets that bar. However,

1011
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 4: what happens in a world where he loses? What does

1012
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 4: that do to the Max Holloway story man? After two

1013
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 4: years of UFC couldn't reclaim it with reach?

1014
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 5: That would be a big part of the story, right,

1015
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 5: Like there's the one guy I was I was trying

1016
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 5: to point out earlier, like the Hinni Morale thing. Hhim

1017
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 5: Morale member Dana White was like, he's the best fan

1018
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 5: from He's a monster has in Loston Seniors until j

1019
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 5: Jillishaw came in and just blew him out of the water.

1020
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: It's not like that it's ruined the baron who Well,

1021
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: that's what that's Yes, that's a fair.

1022
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 5: That's a fair concerns.

1023
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 6: But it will definitely be a big part of his

1024
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 6: his story.

1025
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: You know.

1026
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 6: It becomes like, you know, Joe.

1027
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 5: Fraser would have been the greatest heavyweightor you know, of

1028
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 5: all time if there was.

1029
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: A muhammadad I think that that was your uncle would

1030
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: have been.

1031
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: You're on right, It's.

1032
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 5: Like that I think that that just becomes a part

1033
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 5: of I don't know how much it will, you know

1034
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 5: how it is though, it's like then suddenly you're you're

1035
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 5: kind of second to a guy and you can't get

1036
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 5: over that hump, and it's just that that then becomes

1037
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 5: a permanent factor for him, you know.

1038
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 4: Okay, so then what's the converse. Let's say Max gets

1039
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 4: his title back we were talking about this. One thing

1040
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 4: Max has become is that here's one thing that Max

1041
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 4: says that Volkanowski doesn't yet have.

1042
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: Max is popular.

1043
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 4: Like fans love Max Holloway, they're warming to Volkanowski.

1044
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: Based on his record of success, but people love Max.

1045
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 4: Imagine if Max beat Volkanovski, let's even finished, him gets

1046
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 4: his title back at age thirty after.

1047
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: Ten years in the UBC, Dude, he might explode in popular.

1048
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 6: I agree with that, man, I agree one hundred percent.

1049
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 6: And it would be.

1050
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: There's a lot of chuckle dell.

1051
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: He'd be like a chuckle dell, he would.

1052
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 5: And I think that because so many people thought he won,

1053
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 5: you know, he should, he should have already.

1054
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 6: Won one of these like it would just be vindication, right.

1055
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 4: I think that there's a real rampage knoun vandal in

1056
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 4: remember that. Of course, that was a very different situation.

1057
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: Will actually not chuckle. It'd be more Randy. It'd be

1058
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: more of a Randy like story.

1059
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: Right.

1060
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 4: Well, no, because Randy beat You've been with Katoor. He

1061
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: beat Katour the first.

1062
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: Time and then no, I mean Randy is known for

1063
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: making comebacks.

1064
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 4: Oh yes, dude, I remember I think you were covering

1065
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 4: the sport then too, when Randy came back against Tim Sylvia. Yes,

1066
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 4: I remember one of the most popular articles that we

1067
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 4: had on the site where someone had this is true,

1068
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 4: someone had recorded Bruce Buffer's intro that night in Ohio,

1069
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 4: and this is when the UFC had just they'd be

1070
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: going on the road, but like as a popular entity

1071
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 4: going on the road, like as a newfound post tough

1072
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 4: UFC experience. The crowd was electric and Buffer had maybe

1073
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 4: the best call of his career that night. It was

1074
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 4: I'm serious, it was like an epic, epic, epic.

1075
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: Moment, truly a Hall of Fame moment. And uh yeah,

1076
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: if Max can capture even a little bit of that,

1077
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: that's lightning in a box.

1078
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 6: With that, man, I think you will.

1079
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: It's already there. I feel like it's just pince up,

1080
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, pince up fandom based he does. You're right.

1081
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 5: I feel like his star is bigger now than when

1082
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 5: he went into the series the first time. So if

1083
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 5: he gets through it, especially if he looks really good

1084
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 5: doing it, all right, let me pitch this to you.

1085
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 4: I really want to do, like to catch it please,

1086
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 4: And you didn't want to talk about Dong on the Boys, Okay?

1087
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all you want to talk about.

1088
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 4: If let's talk about the converse, not just Max Holloway loses,

1089
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 4: but let's talk abo Fromvolkanowski's point. Let's say Volkanowski not

1090
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 4: just beats Holloway, but he does it authoritatially this time,

1091
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 4: no controversy.

1092
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: Whatever that may mean.

1093
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 4: To what extent does that boost Not his credibility, that

1094
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 4: would be pretty instant, but to what extent does that

1095
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 4: credibility boost his popularity?

1096
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 3: That was gonna be my question to you guys, based

1097
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 3: under the terms of like, and in a lot of ways,

1098
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: it could make him immortal. But yet, how much does

1099
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: a third victory over a guy that we I guess

1100
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 3: technically already beat twice really mean? If he stops him,

1101
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: I think that takes it to another level. But either way,

1102
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 3: as long as there's no as long as there's no

1103
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 3: doubt who won, and as long as it's not dead

1104
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: ass boring, he should be hugely elevated from this like,

1105
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 3: even if it doesn't in theory mean that much more.

1106
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: I think in people's eyes it's like, Okay, if I

1107
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: didn't already realize that Volkanowski, like Usman, is like starting

1108
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: to creep up like they're starting to like really carve

1109
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 3: up their place in history, and like you're starting to go, yep,

1110
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: they look like they're gonna belong in that upper room

1111
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: at the end of the day. Like how high the

1112
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: upper upper room or that just the upper room.

1113
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You know, you've been a

1114
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: part of secret societies most of.

1115
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: Your life, you know what I mean.

1116
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: People don't understand necessarily his European bank lineage.

1117
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: And know all that, but uh, it's just a little

1118
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: illuminati bit, you know. I just know I can do

1119
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: I can do a hard five whatever you need.

1120
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't understand you they got it, and

1121
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: I don't.

1122
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 5: Like if Wolkovsky does that, the UFC has to capitalize

1123
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 5: by making him like a big main event in his country.

1124
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 4: I mean, like I feel like that's all here's something

1125
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 4: to consider it. So let's say he beats Maxi and

1126
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 4: finishes him. That's that means one thing for featherweight, right,

1127
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 4: that's one thing that it means. Second thing it means

1128
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 4: is if Bolkanowski told me this after beating Chance on

1129
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 4: junk he wants a one fifty five title shot.

1130
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. You go in there and

1131
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: you finish.

1132
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 4: Max Holloway, your next stop is probably or there's a

1133
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 4: decent case one fifty five.

1134
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: Titles in accept you right there, because there is one

1135
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 3: other thing in this sport that people think, value wise

1136
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: is equal to it.

1137
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: Don't do it. Don't do Henry.

1138
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: No, but it's not a bit he has said he

1139
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 3: wanted it is it? Is it even more valuable than

1140
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 3: competing for a title on second division him against Conor

1141
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: McGregor on a pay per view in terms of because

1142
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: it would commercially cement him. It would commercially like in

1143
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: your face, I mean, especially if you went in there.

1144
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: I got to I think it's a bad fight for Connor. Right,

1145
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: so you we've got stage.

1146
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: So we've debated this before.

1147
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 3: I lean more on the idea that Connor might come

1148
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 3: to life, back to life in a fight like that, Okay,

1149
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 3: but I get what you're saying. He also might get

1150
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: carved up because you know, we feed our old to

1151
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: our young. In reality, even though the ages makes like

1152
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 3: Volkonovski's older than these guys, but he's so much fresher,

1153
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 3: it seems.

1154
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 2: So My point is you want to make him. That's

1155
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: how you make somebody in this game.

1156
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: If you're looking at the UFC from a mafia terms, like,

1157
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 3: that's how you make a guy, You give him that

1158
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 3: type of golden ticket.

1159
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: Is that more valuable? You know? It depends on what

1160
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: the UFC season.

1161
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 5: I think where Connor's at now probably would make it

1162
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 5: more about it for Volkanowski, because so many people don't

1163
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 5: like Connor McGregor, including his home country now like it.

1164
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 5: You know, he's just it's the there's a passion the

1165
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 5: other way now to kind of see him wrecked.

1166
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 6: So I feel like, be.

1167
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: Is he that? I mean.

1168
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 5: The audience was yeah, yeah, it sounds from the sound

1169
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 5: of it. I mean, obviously you're you're just catching I'm

1170
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 5: catching certain people telling me this, So I don't really know.

1171
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 5: I'm not out there, but it just sounds like it's

1172
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 5: a lot worse than it ever has been in people.

1173
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: That fight actually be though, it would like how big? Though?

1174
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: How big?

1175
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 6: I mean anything with that would be big.

1176
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: I just don't see what.

1177
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 4: It only happens, not because we want to satisfy some

1178
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 4: fantasy condition about like who should find who in the sport.

1179
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 4: It only happens if there's a real good reason for

1180
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 4: Connor to take it, which means like Volkanovsky has to

1181
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: do something amazing, like he has to make himself a

1182
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: target of desirability for this.

1183
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: But to be fair, if he stops Snacks Holloway in

1184
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 3: the trilogy, I mean, I mean, that's asking a lot.

1185
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: No one stops snax Alloway, not even Dustin Potier in

1186
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: the rematch, which was for erotion.

1187
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: He's been submitted.

1188
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: But I know, but you get in terms of you know,

1189
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 3: because I'm talking about taking the will from him basically

1190
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: like beating the will out of him. I don't you know,

1191
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 3: is it in play? Okay, I guess it's a possible ending.

1192
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: I am more of the belief though we've seen ten

1193
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 3: great rounds between these two with brilliant adjustments. I'd more

1194
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 3: believe that we're going to see another five brilliant rounds

1195
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: with more adjustments. Maybe it'll be more action oriented than

1196
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: the first two, just because the facts that they're getting

1197
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: older mixed with the facts that they know each other

1198
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: so well that sometimes you know, okay, we keep canceling each.

1199
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: Other out, let's just fight.

1200
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe that's not even a thing, But I still

1201
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: think this, this, this could just be a very great

1202
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 3: technical chess match like the first two were. Do you

1203
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: see any reason that this turns into an actual all

1204
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: action fight.

1205
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 4: Only if Max is somehow able to make it that way.

1206
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: I think that you don't.

1207
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: Think Alex would try to prove a point? Is there

1208
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: any part of the sure?

1209
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: Sure, but not to a fault.

1210
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 4: And I don't think Max is going to have a

1211
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 4: bad fight in any direction. So I think that if

1212
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 4: the opportunity, you know, dude, Volkanovsky.

1213
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: Doesn't want to fight lackluster. He's fighting Max Holloway like

1214
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: it's hard as shit, like you gotta be you gotta

1215
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: be real careful, Like what the fuck y'all want him

1216
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: to do? He's fighting Max Holloway like talk on this show,

1217
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: like imagine you're him, Like that's a very ridiculous task

1218
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: you have for twenty five minutes. You gotta be careful.

1219
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 4: So, uh, I think he wants it, but like you know,

1220
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 4: it's there's there's ways that Like, so people have been

1221
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 4: asking me. The one question I get the most is like,

1222
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 4: what can Max do differently? Because you kind of felt

1223
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 4: like the second one, Okay, that's the redo, but if

1224
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 4: the redo doesn't work fairly or unfairly.

1225
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: If it just didn't get the job done.

1226
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 4: What would And so my answer to that would be,

1227
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 4: you saw a little of the wrestling in the Rodriguez fight. Now,

1228
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 4: obviously Volcanoi is gonna be different, but I just mean

1229
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 4: mixing up ranges more than just trying because before he

1230
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 4: tried to walk him down, couldn't do it, and the

1231
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 4: second time he tried to intercept him and he couldn't

1232
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 4: do it.

1233
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: Well, what's left? It's all the tussle in between. Uh,

1234
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: that's but you know, Volcanoski is not gonna let you

1235
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: do that.

1236
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 5: So I could see a situation where Volkanowski fight's a

1237
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 5: little different in terms of maybe engaging in that in

1238
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 5: a fight, in a brawl a little bit more will.

1239
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 6: Only because cause like he's lived with this.

1240
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 5: The question he's lived with obviously is like he did

1241
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 5: you really beat Max?

1242
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 6: Did you really beat Max?

1243
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 5: I could see him wanting to prove a little something

1244
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 5: like I do sends a chip on his shoulder with

1245
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 5: a man.

1246
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: What if we're both right? What if they both come

1247
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 3: in with chips? That's when you make legendary, all time

1248
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: great fights, especially when guys know each other so well

1249
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: and they're a little bit older the.

1250
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: Mastery boxing question.

1251
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 4: Can you think of a trilogy where the third fight

1252
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 4: was the most obviously best one.

1253
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: It's a great question.

1254
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: Typically, you know, the first is the best, and then

1255
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 3: sometimes the third one, you know, is memorable enough to

1256
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: be in the conversation with the first.

1257
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: The seconds usually a let down.

1258
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: I don't think there's one where the third was just

1259
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 3: so much better than the other two words like that

1260
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: is the one you look at they we need to

1261
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: have some I mean, if if the first one was,

1262
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: if the first Oli Frasier fight wasn't the biggest story

1263
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 3: in sports in like a decade, I mean it really

1264
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 3: was one of the biggest moments in sporting history, Like

1265
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 3: it's you know.

1266
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 4: That's what you think the last one we saw in boxing,

1267
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: which was what Wilder fear. The second one was the

1268
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 4: most exciting of the two, But the no, the third.

1269
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: One was the best.

1270
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: Was a one way traffic okay, but it was thrilling.

1271
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: Third one was the best.

1272
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 4: So is that the case the third one is the

1273
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 4: best one, most obviously the best one in that case?

1274
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, there we go, there we go.

1275
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: You nailed it.

1276
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: Wow, Luke Thomas.

1277
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: Coming with the Okay, but here's the problem.

1278
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 4: The second fight was radically different than the first, and

1279
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 4: these two fights look pretty similar.

1280
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: Right, so maybe the third something's got to give in

1281
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 2: the third. As much as I just let off.

1282
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 3: This conversation saying, you know what, I can see five

1283
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 3: chess match rounds again. One of the two or maybe

1284
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 3: both are going to want to prove a point.

1285
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 2: Are gonna want to say.

1286
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 3: Because look, if you just go to another third fight

1287
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 3: and it's three to two either way, what are we

1288
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: going to learn in the end?

1289
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: Right, Like they they're both really good at chess. We

1290
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: already know that.

1291
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 3: So at some point to secure the legacy or to

1292
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 3: end the chapter and to try to win it, because

1293
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 3: some people believe of Max wins is he wins the war,

1294
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 3: he wins the rib.

1295
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 5: Between the five close rounds again and gonna you know what,

1296
00:49:58,560 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 5: I was wrong.

1297
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: They're gonna go Luke, They're gonna go after it because there.

1298
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: Was something in Volkanovsky's coffee that morning against TKZ.

1299
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: I mean, he wanted to kick that motherfuckers.

1300
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 4: I think what most people misreate is that that is

1301
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 4: how good Volkanovsky is. It's just hard to be that

1302
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 4: good against Max, like he didn't People think he did

1303
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 4: something extra against TKZ. Nope, that's just what he does.

1304
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 4: It's just that the talent disparity was there with TKZ,

1305
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 4: it's here with Max.

1306
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: I love though, what you love about this fight is

1307
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: all those scenario as we laid out, and the two

1308
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: dominant ones are that Max has another folk hero like

1309
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: Mini comeback within an overall great run, or the other side,

1310
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: which is, oh my god, ma'x just got stopped by Volkanovsky.

1311
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 3: Like both are incredibly amazing and like whatever happens afterwards

1312
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 3: is gonna.

1313
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: You know, like it's this is this is it's not

1314
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 2: wrong to call this a historic fight.

1315
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 4: This this third fight, all right, so it brings us

1316
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 4: to that. I mean, there are other great fights all

1317
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 4: up and down this card.

1318
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: We talked. We started with the main event, right with.

1319
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 4: Izzy, who's got his nemesis here, so to speak, or

1320
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 4: at least the I don't know if Izzy thinks he's

1321
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 4: a nemesis, but the fans seem to think too. The

1322
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 4: media kind of presents him that way. It's Alex and

1323
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 4: he and he presents himself this way. Alex Beneda is

1324
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 4: to in a fight with Sean Strickland, by the way,

1325
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 4: is on a four year winning streak.

1326
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: Pretty remarkable.

1327
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 4: I don't think he's lost since twenty eighteen. Pretty pretty,

1328
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: pretty great job he's done.

1329
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: His tweets and Instagram posts notwithstanding.

1330
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: It is hard to move Bold out of the way.

1331
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say about it because

1332
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't.

1333
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like it's so out there and like

1334
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 4: crazy that, uh, you could do a whole podcast on

1335
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 4: it enough to say it, you know, you could make

1336
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 4: your own judgment about the stuff he tweets.

1337
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: But the way he fights is pretty interesting.

1338
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: How let's start with would you call him the West

1339
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: Craven of m m A.

1340
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't even get that joke. How many shitty movies?

1341
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: You know? He was there opening not for like Grenlin sets.

1342
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 3: I saw all the Emmanuel's you know that movie franchise.

1343
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1344
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 2: I don't.

1345
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: This guy's like I've got a whole box the Red

1346
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: Shoe Diaries that. Yeah, you guys don't know shit about

1347
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: Red Shoe Diaries. Boy, fourteen year old frame back in

1348
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties.

1349
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 2: Like, who are your idols? Growing up? I'm like Shannon Tweed,

1350
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1351
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: Is that your idol? All right?

1352
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 4: We're talking about Ox par Era and Sean Strickland. Uh BC,

1353
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 4: your a level of interest for the fight, candidly because

1354
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 4: we talked about why people are.

1355
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: Kind of dismissing the main event. The UFC is putting

1356
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: this like number one contenders fight right on the card.

1357
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: Like the if you're gonna if you're gonna make that fight,

1358
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: and you get a chance to make it, and this

1359
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 3: would be the chance if Padata can get another victory,

1360
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 3: and against a guy this level who's red hot, who

1361
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 3: seems like he's ready to try to max out and

1362
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: find out how great he can be.

1363
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 2: You do that so that that raises.

1364
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 3: The stake so much because without that hook, he's not.

1365
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: In that spot. The question we all need answering, and

1366
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 2: it's hard to really guess up to this point because

1367
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: he's shown us a lot of bit great and a

1368
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: little bit of okay, is like is he great or

1369
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: did he just have a couple great finishes after looking

1370
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: kind of average? Like how good is Alex Padeda?

1371
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 3: And I ask you, Chuck, I pun on this mostly

1372
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 3: because you like live in the same area as this guy.

1373
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: You guys may hang out. I don't know, okay, Like

1374
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 2: has he proven enough.

1375
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 3: Yet that that outside of the threat of the highlight

1376
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 3: reel knockout, that there's a game planning threat where.

1377
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 5: He can no But I feel like that that's kind

1378
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 5: of what this is. I think that that's the matchup

1379
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 5: he's getting. If he's able to go in there and

1380
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 5: do this finish strictly like you said, on a big

1381
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 5: winning streak, kind of leave it emphatically, that's just beautiful.

1382
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 6: For the UFC because you and as long as long as.

1383
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 5: Izz takes care of his work right like, But that's

1384
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 5: just the most beautiful setup because I do believe that

1385
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 5: that is the most exciting contender coming up because of

1386
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 5: that backstory and all that stuff. I just really believe

1387
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 5: that when we're talking about Israe a lot of sonia,

1388
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 5: is he as big as you know, all that stuff

1389
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 5: we're talking about. I feel like that's the guy that

1390
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 5: they could plug in and use that story to just

1391
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 5: blow it up, you know, just blow up his star

1392
00:53:59,040 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 5: and everything else.

1393
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: So that would be the ideal scenario.

1394
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 5: Chaos always reigns an MMA, so it's like, I don't

1395
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 5: know what will really happen, but man.

1396
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: It's a it's soon. This is very soon.

1397
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 5: This could go horribly wrong for Alex put out because

1398
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 5: he's going against a guy like Sewan Strickland who just

1399
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 5: takes the life out of people in there.

1400
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 3: Perfect question, Luke, is Sean Strickland like a Chris Widman

1401
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: in the making?

1402
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: Here is he? Like?

1403
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: Is?

1404
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: Is is he? Another game? Is different?

1405
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 3: But like it took me a while to wake up

1406
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 3: and go, oh yeah, Chris Widman really.

1407
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: Has a chance to win this championship.

1408
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 3: And because he was always so steady but maybe not unspectacular,

1409
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 3: maybe not spectacular on a consistent basis, And Strickland has

1410
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: been unspectacular outside of the things he said, but he's

1411
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 3: pretty damn consistent. He goes out there and he grinds

1412
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 3: am I.

1413
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: Looking a future title contender or a champion vulnerability to

1414
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: have vush.

1415
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 4: The thing's been interesting about Stricklands development is he's really

1416
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 4: well rounded. He has phenomenal takedown defense, like like like

1417
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 4: genuinely awesome takedown defense.

1418
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: And he can strike too, but he doesn't.

1419
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 4: Criticism is online such as you want to give it

1420
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 4: any life, is that there's just not a lot of

1421
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 4: It's not offensively dynamic, it doesn't really create a whole

1422
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 4: lot of threats.

1423
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: It lands and it counts and it matters, and it's.

1424
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 4: Very defensively sound, but it's kind of not reserved, but

1425
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 4: it's a little off of the back foot, so to speak.

1426
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 4: But it's busy with the like kings or what not.

1427
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 4: To it's highly effective. And you know that that there

1428
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 4: is I think some alidity to the to the results

1429
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 4: speak to that, I think a little bit. But dude,

1430
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 4: to your point, like, you have a lot of different

1431
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 4: ways that main event and then that feature fight could

1432
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 4: go the two middleweight contests where all of their plans

1433
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 4: could get totally blown up in.

1434
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: A lot of different directions.

1435
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 4: Like what you know, I think the UC would Aussie

1436
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 4: rather have Data as a title contender, which is why

1437
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 4: they fast tracked him here. If strickling winds, dude, his

1438
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 4: wind streak is impressive?

1439
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: Is this number one fight for got?

1440
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: You got to be close, pretty close, pretty goddamn close

1441
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: to And if he does the impossible himself against Buttata,

1442
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh, he can't finish. Well what if he does?

1443
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 4: Rightm shit happens like this all the time. Well, dude,

1444
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 4: you're having a very different conversation at that point.

1445
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 3: Has Podata's explosiveness fully transferred to m in your eyes.

1446
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 4: No, he's a little more vulnerable. The cage is a

1447
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 4: big game changer. Uh, take down defense is a big

1448
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 4: game changer. It makes the clinch a whole lot different

1449
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 4: for him. And you know, the stuff at range guys

1450
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 4: us a little there, they're staying a little bit further apart.

1451
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 4: There's a little bit of there's a little bit of

1452
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 4: you know, different defenses, and one not the employee obviously,

1453
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 4: with the lack of the smaller gloves or these are

1454
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 4: the smaller gloves. But you know, it's still he is

1455
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 4: quite obviously very gifted and a super dangerous threat.

1456
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 5: You mentioned Is he like two five like going to

1457
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 5: two a five? If there's nothing? But if I split

1458
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 5: out of wins and he's there, and is he wins,

1459
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 5: I mean.

1460
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 4: That's that's just that's just you're just printing money at

1461
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 4: that point, right I think. So, so let me ask

1462
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 4: you to getting back to original conversation. So if we

1463
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 4: are very much speculating, but if Pereira Padta and is

1464
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 4: he were fighting and is he got something like that?

1465
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 4: Do you believe that's the kind I guess what question

1466
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 4: I'm getting back to, is that the kind of transformative

1467
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 4: win that you believe is missing.

1468
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 6: And I think that's the set that I think because

1469
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 6: of this, it's going.

1470
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 5: To be so much of this plays out in prospect

1471
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 5: and hype, right, And I feel like that would be

1472
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 5: the event where you care about the guy challenging enough,

1473
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 5: just because I think he's got that kind of shine

1474
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 5: to him, especially if he goes in there and does

1475
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 5: something spectacular Vincies Strickland, I really believe he would didn't

1476
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 5: have that one on the same card if he calls

1477
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 5: him out all that stuff. I mean, I just feel

1478
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 5: like that would be a big moment for Izzy, a

1479
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 5: bigger moment than these other guys who are you know,

1480
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 5: they should be they should Like you're mentioning, there's no

1481
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 5: reason to say that Canaaniar is not a threat, Like

1482
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 5: there's no reason to think that he's not really the

1483
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 5: guy or something like that. But they're not big names,

1484
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 5: and but at some reason just has I think it's

1485
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 5: just the backstory, right, like, and yeah, he knocked him

1486
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 5: out and to have that that tape everything, Like, I

1487
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 5: just feel like that that would be the guy.

1488
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: But I disagree. I think it has to be next

1489
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: because he's not young. Pa Data I think he's like

1490
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 2: a thirty four to thirty.

1491
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's up there a little bit there.

1492
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 3: You still can never fully trust somebody who's coming from

1493
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 3: a different dominant skill set.

1494
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: Late in trying to.

1495
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 3: Make the other like even he can win this fight.

1496
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,959
Speaker 3: I think there's a scenario and she can win this fight.

1497
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 3: But yet didn't fully answer our questions.

1498
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? So so you you

1499
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 2: don't know.

1500
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: Who can solve this guy, and you know it could

1501
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 3: happen any fight. So if you can get him in

1502
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 3: there against is he and make this backstory matter, that's

1503
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: the time you do it. You don't mess around, you

1504
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 3: don't mess around. And that's why the Big.

1505
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 4: Strickland fight is an interesting fight for the UFC to

1506
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 4: book though, because on the one hand, clearly you know Strickland,

1507
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 4: by the way, deserves a top tier opponent, and uh,

1508
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 4: you know, Peerreiro is the one being fast tracked here,

1509
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 4: let's be clear about that. But you know, it's interesting

1510
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 4: because Strickland's style, to your point, for an opponent's offense,

1511
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 4: can be quite deflating, right, he can deflate their own

1512
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 4: offense by the way in which he is so defensively

1513
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 4: good and can create its neutrality in a lot of

1514
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 4: different scenarios that would otherwise be threatening. Dude, It's like,

1515
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 4: not only could PoTA lose, he can be made to

1516
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 4: look like that stand.

1517
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like totally can stock that's the

1518
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 5: most likely scenario. Actually, I think I think that's the

1519
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 5: one I can envision easiest. Is that he just gets

1520
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 5: taken out of his game, becomes a very lackluster of showing,

1521
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 5: and he just loves The.

1522
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: Thing is, I just feel like Potato is going to

1523
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: force a fight out out of him.

1524
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 3: That's that's the hope entertainment was for sure. But that's

1525
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 3: the best way we're going to get our questions answered. Seriously,

1526
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 3: we can get I don't want to just see like

1527
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 3: Podata's weaknesses get exposed and he loses.

1528
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: I want to see him at you know you want

1529
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: to see him, yes, yeah.

1530
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: All right, Tate taking on Lauren Murphy.

1531
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: Dude, this is a.

1532
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 3: Sleeper because I don't hate it, but to be fair

1533
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 3: the same reasoning, Look, Patata is a small window with

1534
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 3: age and volatility. You've got to make that fight for

1535
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 3: Misha Tate, to make her against Chef Chenko for the title.

1536
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: There's a small window here. She wins this against Lauren.

1537
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 3: Murphy, who just fought for the title and is still.

1538
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: Considered you know, very much the upper end. Dude, Tate's

1539
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: right in a title shot, and I don't care if

1540
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: we all if we're all gonna like not only will

1541
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: we pick against her, we may pick against her bad

1542
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 2: because chef Chenko is just that ridiculous.

1543
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 3: That's at least a fight, right, that's a marketable fight.

1544
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 3: There's something there that's true. How do we get there?

1545
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 2: Though?

1546
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 3: This is this is going to be an interesting fight.

1547
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if the weight cutting down the weight

1548
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 3: against this level opponent is going to be a factor.

1549
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: Well we see more wrestling heavy tape or striking heavy.

1550
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 3: What do you care about this fight on the level

1551
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 3: to even talk about it and break it down?

1552
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: You look like a motherfucker.

1553
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: No, I just turned you out. Sorry you were talking.

1554
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: Do you look at Tate as a threat to the

1555
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five pound title or only as

1556
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: a marketable B side?

1557
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 6: A marketable B side?

1558
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: Okay?

1559
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: Really? Yeah? You think her best days are behind her?

1560
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 6: I think so, But.

1561
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 5: I just don't think that she's like the game itself,

1562
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 5: Like she was one of those pioneers of the early

1563
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 5: ILK who was very good. I still think she's added stuff,

1564
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 5: but I think that some of the fighters now are

1565
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 5: just better.

1566
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 6: Like I just think that they you know what I mean,

1567
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 6: Like they.

1568
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 5: Have the women's level. It's evolved to that extent. So yeah,

1569
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 5: it's leveled up. So I just I'm not sure she's good.

1570
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 4: We don't talk about it, like we don't ever like

1571
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 4: take a moment to stop and say it.

1572
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: And this has been true for some time.

1573
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 4: I'm not like declaring some new truth, but it's worth

1574
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 4: saying out loud, Like the wrestling in women's MMA has

1575
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 4: Oh god, it's so much better than when I started

1576
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 4: covering it, Like it's not it's night.

1577
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: And it's true in the men's.

1578
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 4: Game too, but like it really deserves to be credited.

1579
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 4: The modern women's MMA game is happening rapidly, long overdue,

1580
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 4: but it's great.

1581
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: You know.

1582
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: I hope it can make the way and be a

1583
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 2: factor here, but that's asking a lot at this point.

1584
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: Also, she had a weird coaching split.

1585
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 3: She has a much bigger frame muscularly, which sometimes can

1586
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: be hard to cut. I mean, I don't know how

1587
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: easier hard. She anticipates this to be. But obviously name wise,

1588
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 3: she gets a win here. I mean, Murphy's name still matters.

1589
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 2: Is it a style matchup wise, do you think this

1590
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: is a winnable fight here for her?

1591
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 5: For me, yeah, I think she could win this fight.

1592
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 5: I just don't know if she if she can go

1593
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 5: on to win a title. Yeah, And let's think about

1594
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 5: the long term plans.

1595
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 3: It's not pretending that Valentina is in like an alien,

1596
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 3: like in an all time royalty freaking great, might end

1597
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 3: up retiring as like the goat whether anyone else, dude, Valentina.

1598
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 3: Like we used to just be like, yeah, no one

1599
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 3: has a chance to gets Valentina, and now we're like, no,

1600
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 3: she's a she's a superhero.

1601
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 4: Like she's well, this is it though, right because you

1602
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 4: guys talk about is he missing something from the popularity factor? Okay,

1603
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 4: I you know someone know what you mean, but I

1604
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 4: some would also disagree. However, it's very true for Chevchenko

1605
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 4: she is not.

1606
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: She is not.

1607
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 4: She is as good as she is, and there is

1608
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 4: zero dispute about it. She cannot credibly claim she is

1609
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 4: one of the UFC's bigger popular attractions.

1610
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: It's not true. So there's a gap.

1611
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 7: More respect though through like yes, it's coming, it's it's

1612
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 7: but it's a slow burn popularized a slow burn we

1613
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 7: should take could potentially act as a much faster catalyst

1614
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 7: as a mom Okay.

1615
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we doing? I mean, I mean, Jesus,

1616
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: I got Watergate jokes too. If you're interested, all right,

1617
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: tell me you're atari joke all right.

1618
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 4: Also on the card there is SEMy and in the

1619
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,439
Speaker 4: opener of the main card against by the Way saying

1620
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 4: he was never gonna take tough fights. I realized that,

1621
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 4: you know, the contract situation is a little bit different now,

1622
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 4: but uh, because of pay issues due Pedro Munos is

1623
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 4: a super tough fight. He's a super tough fight. What

1624
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 4: do you think you like that fight for Sean or not?

1625
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 5: I do like the fight for Sean, but I do

1626
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 5: one hundred percent see it as a his toughest fight

1627
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 5: to date. And he fought chewto Vera, who we now

1628
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 5: have an evolved idea about Cheeto Vera, you know what

1629
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 5: I mean, Like how that happens sometimes where you're like, well,

1630
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 5: he's gonna Beatchuto Verry is a huge favorite. That fight

1631
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 5: now cheats going on the same But I do think

1632
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 5: that Pedro. It's the guys who get the shot like

1633
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 5: that too, who are very good and they know that

1634
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 5: they've been overlooked in their career, you know, for whatever reason.

1635
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 5: They have some big victories, but they're going against this

1636
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 5: new toy that the UFC has.

1637
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 6: He's gonna want to go out there and put the

1638
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 6: beating on him, you know what I mean.

1639
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: I feel like that motivation is going to make.

1640
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 4: Huge in terms of popularity. Like Munyas is in bigger

1641
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 4: fights to be he's had, He's had big fights, big

1642
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 4: name opponents, but in terms of popularity factor, this might

1643
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 4: be his biggest two.

1644
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: So this is a big question if he does.

1645
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 3: If he goes out there and this this could be

1646
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 3: the toughest fight, It could be a trap fight, it

1647
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 3: could be.

1648
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 2: Anything once we see it.

1649
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 3: But let's say O'Malley goes out there, does O'Malley things,

1650
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 3: wears Munyo's down, and then like just stops him.

1651
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 2: You know, it's just a beat down and you know

1652
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: sells it with the dance. Does does the full package

1653
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: you would do all of that? Does he start getting

1654
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: the McGregor treatment in terms of the fast tracking and

1655
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 2: the brand building and you're like how soon to get

1656
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: a title shot out?

1657
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: He's not the McGregor thing. No, he's not. He's he's

1658
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: too alternative, right, he's ted.

1659
01:03:58,480 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not.

1660
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 3: I'm not getting on that for ample comparison, but like

1661
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 3: he's would you would you put the machine around him?

1662
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 2: Is really what I'm saying. Would you start getting grooming

1663
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: him to?

1664
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: You know?

1665
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 3: I mean they groomed to be fair McGregor hit them

1666
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 3: and was the real deal they you know, they groomed him.

1667
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 5: They would have more reason to do that now, especially

1668
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 5: because I do think like it's a you know, pay

1669
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 5: per view, people are paying attention, International Fight Week all

1670
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 5: that stuff. I think that the spotlight would be big

1671
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 5: on him. But they've already kind of tried it once,

1672
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 5: like they were selling I remember they sent out tied

1673
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 5: I shirts with O'Malley. I don't know if you guys

1674
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 5: got one, Like they were just sending him out to everybody.

1675
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: Trust me, the UFC doesn't send.

1676
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 2: Eminem Joe.

1677
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,439
Speaker 1: She was around that same time shout so they was Hooper. Yeah,

1678
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: she's a very nice kid. Yeh.

1679
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's awesome, But uh, I mean they've kind of

1680
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 5: tried to throw it behind before and then you get

1681
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 5: you know, you get the.

1682
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 6: Chewdo vera thing or whatever.

1683
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 5: I do believe that they will do that, though I

1684
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 5: think that they I don't think they'll fast track him,

1685
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 5: but they'll find a good fight for him to kind

1686
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 5: of why.

1687
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 4: Wouldn't you wait for the long standing criticism in which

1688
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 4: he's someone justified by virtue of saying listen, yes, they

1689
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 4: might not be the biggest opponents, but like my contract

1690
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 4: being what it is, I'm gonna fight.

1691
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight. Okay, Well, now he's fighting like a

1692
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: no bullshit guy.

1693
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 4: Pedro Munos is not a bullshit guy like that. Is

1694
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 4: a real fighter, dangerous guillotine.

1695
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 6: He has like a good resume of beaten legends in

1696
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 6: the game.

1697
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: By the way, fights bravely right.

1698
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: Uh would probably be jackedon' like in to his mid sixties,

1699
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:20,919
Speaker 2: like one.

1700
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: Of those tested like me, Patro Munos is a very

1701
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: difficult thing.

1702
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 2: I sired multiple families like just a man's.

1703
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: Man, right sire, Yeah, yeah, yeah, does you have a

1704
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: harem as well?

1705
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 4: So the thing I want to say is if if

1706
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 4: for Munos the game is quite obvious, but I have

1707
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 4: to say for Sean O'Malley, I think the reason I

1708
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 4: love this fight is I am always you have to

1709
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 4: be reflexively a little bit skeptical of UH young fighters

1710
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 4: who make an instant splash with the fan base, Which

1711
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 4: isn't to say that you shouldn't trust the reason why

1712
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 4: they're popular, but my caution is always, don't make the

1713
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 4: popularity early tantamount to skill.

1714
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: They're not directly tied.

1715
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 4: You see it with Patty Pimblet, who is very, very good,

1716
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 4: and I'm being clear, he is very talented.

1717
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: He could go very far.

1718
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 4: I'm saying, slow your role, let's see him properly developed.

1719
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 4: I've had the exact same view about Sean O'Malley. Dude, Okay, well,

1720
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 4: the jury is in a little bit. Seanamalley's fucking good,

1721
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 4: like he's really really talented.

1722
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: Is timing his movement?

1723
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: And then what's the contract situation?

1724
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: So no, no, I'm not worried about that.

1725
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 4: But my one criticism is the one that I do

1726
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 4: think is how relevant I don't know, but the jury's

1727
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 4: still out. I'll say this part is it's a tough division.

1728
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 4: You have to be durable in it. I do wonder

1729
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 4: if there might be some durability issue, not saying, I

1730
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 4: know so jury.

1731
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 2: Those concerns are absolutely legitimate and just mixed with.

1732
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 3: The overall concern of has he faced enough competition competition to.

1733
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 2: Let you know exactly who he is? And that's not

1734
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 2: true yet we don't know exactly who he is.

1735
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 3: But do you think the UFC, depending on where his

1736
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 3: contract is at I don't know how many fights is less,

1737
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 3: but there's going to come a standoff at some point,

1738
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 3: right a negotiation, there's going to become some more. Do

1739
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 3: you think they overpay for his potential because he just

1740
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 3: might end up being the real deal.

1741
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it's worry about UFC overpaid.

1742
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 3: So do you think even they draw a line and

1743
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 3: say go if it comes down to him looking at

1744
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 3: the other suitors and getting legitimate offers from the rival companies,

1745
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,439
Speaker 3: If it comes down to that, they no, I don't think.

1746
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 2: Would they let him go? That's really what I'm asking you.

1747
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 4: I mean, they can, right, Chuck, they can dispense with anybody,

1748
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 4: but they want they want to work together, right, they

1749
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 4: want to work with him.

1750
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 5: I mean, I can't imagine that they would. That is

1751
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 5: one of a lot of here's what I'm saying, like him, he.

1752
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 3: Can gain back a lot of leverage with a stoppage win, right,

1753
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 3: you can get back that like it'd be.

1754
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 9: It would be behooved of any everyone for him to

1755
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 9: get He's gonna land on Pedro Like, oh yeah he is,

1756
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 9: I'm telling you, Like even who was it this week,

1757
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 9: Chuck Al Jamain Sterling, Yeah, as we record this anyway,

1758
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 9: I'd give that away, sud me.

1759
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 4: But it was had like reluctant praise for him was like, dude,

1760
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 4: I gotta admit he's good.

1761
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is good.

1762
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 5: He is very good when you're watching him, Like you said,

1763
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 5: his striking from outside and the way he can pick

1764
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 5: these guys apart is almost sublime because he's it's slowing

1765
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 5: down for him.

1766
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: It's like slow motion.

1767
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 5: You can see him landing in his shots exactly how

1768
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 5: he wants to, and he just has that dynamic personality.

1769
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 5: But I agree with you, man, I'm like, the durability

1770
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 5: is the biggest one. Like if you got hurt in

1771
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 5: there again, nobody would be spreadires. There would be like

1772
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 5: a very familiar grown wouldn't Like you'd be like, oh god,

1773
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 5: here we go again. I feel like that's his biggest hurdle.

1774
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 5: It's not even just the escalation of talent or where

1775
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 5: he's in and up. I think he just has to

1776
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 5: show that he can hang in there and fight his

1777
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 5: style and come out of it unscathed, you know, besides

1778
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 5: enough sides of fight, but like getting injuries because of that,

1779
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 5: you know, doing it. Interview off back with Joe.

1780
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: We don't.

1781
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 2: We don't think we have enough data to know for sure.

1782
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: No, we don't know, but.

1783
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 4: It's at least worth asking because like to think about it, like, oh, well,

1784
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 4: how big a factor is it?

1785
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: Dude?

1786
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 4: Cheeto Vera is the most durable human I think I've

1787
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 4: ever seen in my life.

1788
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 1: It matters, it keeps him in fights.

1789
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 4: He is, yes, super skilled, he is reborn under Jason Barillo,

1790
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 4: and his last one was tremendous left Jesus, he's been

1791
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 4: winning for a while at this point. But he also

1792
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 4: has the ability to tolerate extraordinary amounts of pocket pressure

1793
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 4: and weighs that a lot of other fighters don't. So conversely,

1794
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,480
Speaker 4: not everyone's going to be suited for that.

1795
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 2: That's all speaking of pocket pressure.

1796
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 3: I'm looking into this, uh Macy Barber Jessica I fight.

1797
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 3: It could be a crossroads fight. At one twenty five

1798
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 3: I mean, are we going to exit this chuck going?

1799
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 3: Here we go, evil, here we go? I mean, is

1800
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 3: this just thank you for your service on the way out.

1801
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 3: Let's let's feed the old to the young. What do

1802
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 3: we got going here?

1803
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 2: Is this what's going to? Man?

1804
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 5: You got to look at the upside of Macy Barper

1805
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 5: But I don't know at this point, I feel like

1806
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 5: just guy's on borrowed time, like and you know, like

1807
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 5: she's just kind of I'm not trying, you.

1808
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 4: Know, I just don't It's not It's not an easy

1809
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 4: fight Macy Barbera, Like you know, she had the the

1810
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 4: losses there, and I think a lot of people wrote

1811
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 4: her off as like, oh, she was.

1812
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 5: Supposed to beat Rock Sane, right, Like so you see

1813
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 5: fights like that, so you just never.

1814
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 4: Know, like, dude, she's she's rebounded, Like, oh yeah, one

1815
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 4: of I thought Maverick beat her.

1816
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: But it was close.

1817
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 5: Ye, sometimes they have you have to have a fight

1818
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 5: like that Rock Sande one to kind of really fully

1819
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 5: focus in on a fight.

1820
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,759
Speaker 6: She was so young. Oh, I mean, I think we've taken.

1821
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 3: Some Mel's as a young man to become who we

1822
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 3: are today. You know what I'm saying, that's why my

1823
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 3: feet tell the story of my life. That's why my

1824
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 3: college flower toes. We don't we don't disrespect them.

1825
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: You know.

1826
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 2: Do you go up to Vander like nice here, bro, No,

1827
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 2: you don't know that.

1828
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: It's just fungus.

1829
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 2: That's all it is.

1830
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 3: It's it's bruising, it's it's storytelling, it's our You know, Jack.

1831
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: You want to plug anything? What's you got going on?

1832
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: Not really?

1833
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 6: But uh, I don't know.

1834
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: I show up on this show like for the paper

1835
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: members people.

1836
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: Used to read writing. You're the best in the game

1837
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 2: and you probably I.

1838
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: Should write more.

1839
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 5: I do have a site, the myth dot com and

1840
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 5: I t h which I have not been writing in enough.

1841
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: I've got that.

1842
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 5: And then the m A The Ringer mm A show

1843
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 5: with high Road Holwan and Pzz right and Pizza Carrol. Yes,

1844
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 5: so that how is PiZZ very great? I think she

1845
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 5: don't like him, but h I like Pizza.

1846
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: Why would I not like PiZZ?

1847
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1848
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: You tell them. I try to tell him.

1849
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 2: He's want to come clean.

1850
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 4: Hey, Pezz, put the camera on me. Put the camera

1851
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 4: on me, okay, any day produce.

1852
01:10:59,000 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: No, they're not working.

1853
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 10: It's I love you, Broyank I think he's a bigger

1854
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 10: a lot.

1855
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: He's on that show with me, but I think this.

1856
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 6: Is his favorite show.

1857
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1858
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 6: I just get that feeling he.

1859
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: Wants to be on the show very well.

1860
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 4: If PZZ is ever, you know, I don't think they're

1861
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 4: gonna send us to Ireland. Candidly, he'll be about here again.

1862
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 4: But if they if you come out here.

1863
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: Open invitation, open invitation. There you go see see people.

1864
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: I don't understand you. I like you. I don't never

1865
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: never said about.

1866
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 6: What a lot of people think. You don't like them.

1867
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 4: Luke, I don't know what I don't like you or him.

1868
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 4: That's both of you, and I actually thought you liked it. Yeah,

1869
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 4: you're okay. Him got hit the fuck out, all right,

1870
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 4: YOUFC two seventy six, it's gonna be a wild one.

1871
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 4: That's Brian Campbell, that's Chuckman and Hall, Luke Thomas here,

1872
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 4: this has been morning combats UFC two seventy six, pre fight,

1873
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:48,839
Speaker 4: pre game, whatever the funk.

1874
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: We call it. Like men,