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Speaker 1: in Frisco. Still reeling over the thirty seven seventeen Cowboys
Speaker 1: win against the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday afternoon and the
Speaker 1: fact that the Cowboys are indeed still alive in the
Speaker 1: NFC's hunt going into the final week of the regular season.
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Speaker 1: Cowboys as Fans on the fifty comes up at nine fifty,
Speaker 1: But first let me introduce the group, as always Isaiah
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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips. You might have heard him on Sean and
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Speaker 1: joining us as always, I'm Kyle, you Olma's driving the
Speaker 1: bus and boys, I've got some bad news to start
Speaker 1: the show today, some really bad news. Oh no, yes,
Speaker 1: this is unfortunate for Cowboys fans because yesterday we had
Speaker 1: the breaking news that Dwayne Haskins was not going to
Speaker 1: be the starter for Washington, which was bad news in
Speaker 1: its own right, but then he was released and now
Speaker 1: out of the division as the guy who could potentially
Speaker 1: help you get to a playoff spot, not his own team,
Speaker 1: but our team, the Dallas Cowboys, and that was unfortunate
Speaker 1: because we need Washington to lose on Sunday, and Dwayne
Speaker 1: Haskins is now out in Washington. He was waived yesterday
Speaker 1: by the football team and they are going with Taylor
Speaker 1: Heineke as the starter, the product out of Old Dominion,
Speaker 1: or at least a starter if Alex Smith is not ready. Rob,
Speaker 1: So still a lot of question marks there, and then
Speaker 1: you know it's gonna be unfortunate not seeing Dwayne Haskins
Speaker 1: out there helping your case. Yeah, I mean that was
Speaker 1: a quick turnaround, right. He gets the start and has
Speaker 1: an opportunity to put him in the playoffs, and the
Speaker 1: next day, I guess Ron Rivera makes that decision to
Speaker 1: move on. You know, I wouldn't discount him having a
Speaker 1: comeback and being successful in this league. He's a young
Speaker 1: player and give him time to things out. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, for this particular matchup, you don't want to
Speaker 1: see Alex Smith playing on Sunday night because I just
Speaker 1: said it on the fan. We'll see what happens. I
Speaker 1: think Philly's got enough talent to win that game, but
Speaker 1: when they're out of the playoffs, they're not playing for anything.
Speaker 1: And Washington's front is still a problem even with Terry
Speaker 1: McLain potentially not playing in that game. I think Washington
Speaker 1: win an ugly game, but hey, you still got to
Speaker 1: play the game and find out and the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: to win their game on Sunday and not worry about that.
Speaker 1: Just say, for Boss in the middlewlands on Sunday. Now,
Speaker 1: there was some conspiracy theory kind of bubbling up yesterday
Speaker 1: with Rex Ryan on ESPN's Monday Night Countdown, and he
Speaker 1: was talking about how there's no way that Philadelphia allows
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to win this division, that they were going
Speaker 1: to throw the game against Washington, and that there was
Speaker 1: going to be this tanking going on with Philadelphia and
Speaker 1: the football team coming up on Sunday Night football, And Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I just want you to I know you're not a
Speaker 1: team to anchor. You don't believe in team tank. You
Speaker 1: don't think it's a thing. But is there such thing
Speaker 1: as maybe the jealousy? Is there such thing as maybe
Speaker 1: the pettiness from a Philadelphia team that you just beat
Speaker 1: by twenty to go into this game and say, you know,
Speaker 1: we'd rather Washington win this thing? You No, not even possible.
Speaker 1: I think. I think anytime you're playing in one of
Speaker 1: your divisional divisional woes, you want to make sure that
Speaker 1: you send them home packing. And whenever you have opportunity
Speaker 1: to send them home packing without opportunity at the playoffs,
Speaker 1: you definitely hop all over that opportunity. So I look
Speaker 1: forward to seeing Feeling have a bounce back game and
Speaker 1: smack these dudes upside of their head. I also saw
Speaker 1: that no I saw that also, and when Rex when
Speaker 1: he said that, I thought that was just another one
Speaker 1: of those things that he says on ESPN, and he's
Speaker 1: been known to say some really outlandis things, So that
Speaker 1: was just one more thing to pile in that bucket
Speaker 1: of manure things that he says. But I don't believe that.
Speaker 1: I believe that Philly is gonna come out fighting for
Speaker 1: their pride to finish the season on the high note.
Speaker 1: They have a rookie quarterback that they've gotten behind, that
Speaker 1: they feel good about this season, that they to end
Speaker 1: this season. But going back to the way that you
Speaker 1: framed that question about Haskins, good lord, Kyle, have mercy, dude, man,
Speaker 1: it's uh, how do you go from how do you
Speaker 1: go from like you said, Rob starting to being released
Speaker 1: four hours twenty four hours and he's had it struggles
Speaker 1: and it's all been documented. And you know, Kyle, you
Speaker 1: know how I am. Man. When we talk to coaches
Speaker 1: and they have a guy that's a you know, a
Speaker 1: little disgruntled or maybe on the fringe of getting kicked
Speaker 1: off of the team, I'm always asking, is there anything
Speaker 1: to save in a kid? You know, because I was
Speaker 1: a two school kid that this look had my own problems.
Speaker 1: But you know, when it gets to this level when
Speaker 1: guys have millions of dollars and they have immaturity maturity issues,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel for Dwayne Haskins. He wasn't someone
Speaker 1: that Rum Rivera and his staff wanted anyway, wouldn't have
Speaker 1: drafted if he was the coach of the Washington football
Speaker 1: team during that time. So you know, I believe in
Speaker 1: the redemptive powers man, and I hope that this young
Speaker 1: man does have an opportunity to redeem his career. And
Speaker 1: ye too, he's twenty three years old. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of time to sort it out. One more thing
Speaker 1: about the Eagles, Like, while I said, look, they're out
Speaker 1: of the playoffs, they have to evaluate Jalen Hurts. They
Speaker 1: got to figure out who the quarterback is going in
Speaker 1: the next season, and it very well. They may already
Speaker 1: feel like it's Jalen Hurts, but that they've got to
Speaker 1: put him in situations to be successful to make their
Speaker 1: evaluation in the off season. So that I think this game,
Speaker 1: every game he plays, is big for them. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: going back kind of back and forth between these two
Speaker 1: first off with Rex Ryan saying that I'm one a
Speaker 1: night countdown yesterday. There's nothing wrong with being a part
Speaker 1: of ESPN. I would love to be at that table
Speaker 1: he was sitting at one day. However, that might be
Speaker 1: the reason why he's sitting at the table talking on
Speaker 1: a broadcast rather than coaching in the NFL anymore. Is
Speaker 1: by its saying things like that if, oh, there's no
Speaker 1: way that Philadelphia is going to go out and win
Speaker 1: this game, but there's conspiracy theories everywhere. Yeah, maybe that's
Speaker 1: the reason why he's talking on TV and he's not
Speaker 1: talking on a headset on the sideline. But also, whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to Haskins, he needs to go to a
Speaker 1: better situation that was never gonna work for him and
Speaker 1: the kind of player that he is. You talk about
Speaker 1: the immaturity that's certainly there, but with Dwayne Haskins, he
Speaker 1: needs to go to a hard ass head coach. He
Speaker 1: needs to go somewhere where it's a straightforward line of thinking,
Speaker 1: maybe a veteran quarterback sitting in front of him. I
Speaker 1: think Pittsburgh would be the ultimate opportunity for him. I
Speaker 1: think that would be the best place for him to
Speaker 1: go and grow underneath Ben Roethlisberger. Who had his own
Speaker 1: struggles of immaturity early in his career turn that around
Speaker 1: to put together put together a Hall of fame resume.
Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Tomlin, hard ass head coach. There's plenty
Speaker 1: of places where he could go, and so I think
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins has a chance to kind of reset press
Speaker 1: that reset button and hopefully it does end up in
Speaker 1: a fruitful career. But let's talk about these Cowboys a
Speaker 1: little bit, because no matter what happens with Washington, you
Speaker 1: have to win on Sunday against New York. And that's
Speaker 1: not necessarily a foregone conclusion. We've seen this Cowboys team
Speaker 1: already this season. New York also gunning for a playoff spot.
Speaker 1: But this Cowboys defense is where I want to start today,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about kind of the improvement
Speaker 1: we've seen on that side of the football. And Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with you with the turnovers ten over
Speaker 1: the last three games and the way that this defense
Speaker 1: has kind of turned things around and played over the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks against maybe lesser competition but still
Speaker 1: have seen some improvement. Has Mike Nolan does done enough
Speaker 1: at this point to save his job going into the
Speaker 1: off season or is there still a little bit more
Speaker 1: you want to see from Nolan's defense. I think he
Speaker 1: put it this way. I think he has if these
Speaker 1: guys can remain consistent through the rest of the season,
Speaker 1: if they could finish off this last game showing any
Speaker 1: kind of retention at all that they understand his defense,
Speaker 1: any kind of retention that these guys continue wanted to
Speaker 1: play hard and they're playing collective football, They're they're playing
Speaker 1: with energy, um, you know, you know, carrying out their assignments.
Speaker 1: I think that he has done a good job turning
Speaker 1: it around. I think he's show he's shown a glimmer
Speaker 1: of hope. I think that along with you know, the
Speaker 1: fact that people are gonna say, of course he didn't
Speaker 1: have a full offseason or we understand that for sure,
Speaker 1: everybody's been in that situation. But I think I guess
Speaker 1: it to sum it all up, I think so no
Speaker 1: I like that I was in and I feel like
Speaker 1: there's this's you know, percentage of a chance that he has, right. Um.
Speaker 1: I think that once he these last couple of games,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just been like, for my next trick,
Speaker 1: I'm going to change the turnover differential Waila, and that
Speaker 1: is what's happened, and it's made games so much easier
Speaker 1: for us. And like I said yesterday, Man, just football
Speaker 1: enjoyable to watch when you see us getting those turnovers.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, Man, we got to talk
Speaker 1: about the coaching job in general for all of these guys,
Speaker 1: because getting this team on track, whether it's been smashing
Speaker 1: watermelons or whatever, they have to do to get these
Speaker 1: guys back to playing passionately and flying around. That's the
Speaker 1: one thing that I see that is the difference from
Speaker 1: this team five games ago. They're playing with passionate flying around.
Speaker 1: They're not the same dejected team that you saw on
Speaker 1: the sideline in the Baltimore game. And I think it's
Speaker 1: been the turnovers that's made the difference. It's getting home Isaiah,
Speaker 1: it's you know, getting the running game established, just those
Speaker 1: little sparks in chunk plays making everything easy for us.
Speaker 1: So look, I know the question is whether Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: will come back next year. I really hope he does,
Speaker 1: and I hope he gets an opportunity to implement his system.
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna be talking about the draft show today.
Speaker 1: We need a big upfront all of the you know, Beefy,
Speaker 1: best player available, talk whatever. We need a big guy
Speaker 1: up front right now. We're playing with two down linemen
Speaker 1: and four linebackers. We need some bigger guys up there
Speaker 1: to make this scheme work for this team. Yeah. I've
Speaker 1: been saying that too. That's my number one priority. Unless
Speaker 1: you know, they may think Tristan Hill comes back and
Speaker 1: can Aaron Donald, but I still think you need some
Speaker 1: help upfront and a lot of spots. I think defensively,
Speaker 1: they got to look at I'm with you, guys. I
Speaker 1: think I think that's certainly possible. He's back because you know,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy knows him as well as anybody in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's worked with him, and Mike reference after the game
Speaker 1: on a couple different times time together, you know, cohesiveness,
Speaker 1: all those things that I think with time, and even
Speaker 1: Jerry said it on the fan this morning that you know,
Speaker 1: he spoke about the secondary and how with time the
Speaker 1: coaches have gained a better understanding of what guys do well.
Speaker 1: Even if there's guys back there that maybe aren't as
Speaker 1: instinctive of ballhawks, putting them in the right spots to
Speaker 1: go make those plays and get those takeaways. I think
Speaker 1: Diggs has definitely shown he can do that. But you know,
Speaker 1: some of that is they're attributing that to coaching as
Speaker 1: the season's gone along, So you are seeing a progression
Speaker 1: even though they are still leaking yards and they're not
Speaker 1: playing a lead offenses right now. You are seeing improvement
Speaker 1: and that's important. And I also don't know if they're
Speaker 1: necessarily sold on the fact of having to replace both
Speaker 1: coordinators in an off season, especially after the one you
Speaker 1: just had in twenty twenty. And that's certainly a possibility
Speaker 1: as well with Kellen Moore and that that Boise State job.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that coming up in the third segment.
Speaker 1: But continuing with this defense here, and I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a guy who should be, at least at the moment,
Speaker 1: should be a future head coach in the or not
Speaker 1: head coach, but maybe a coach in the NFL. And
Speaker 1: that's Sean Lee. And he's not the same physically. We
Speaker 1: knew that. We knew that going into twenty twenty. We
Speaker 1: knew that whenever the injuries were a problem earlier in
Speaker 1: the year, but it was there was a calming presence
Speaker 1: on that defense when Sean Lee was out there, there
Speaker 1: were sound coverages. The reading of the especially the read
Speaker 1: option against the team with Miles Sanders and Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: in the backfield, it was more succinct and it was
Speaker 1: more sharp whenever Sean Lee was on the field. And
Speaker 1: did you see that as well, Hackma come this past Sunday,
Speaker 1: whenever Sean Lee was on the field. Maybe he physically
Speaker 1: can't get it done, but the defense has confidence in
Speaker 1: him to know where he's supposed to be and where
Speaker 1: they are supposed to go. You know, all season we've
Speaker 1: been talking about leaders leadership on this team, and fifty
Speaker 1: it has been a leader on this team for a
Speaker 1: very long time. And you know we talk calming force
Speaker 1: on the defense, what have you, whatever it is. I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, I really believe that the preparation
Speaker 1: for this game, these guys are locked in, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what you see happening on Sundays now. Shaun
Speaker 1: Lee played his butt off and I think the leadership
Speaker 1: that you know showed him. We talked about it yesterday
Speaker 1: of him getting the guys together just to calm everybody
Speaker 1: down and realize that, hey, we can actually win this
Speaker 1: game even though we're down fourteen and three. That's what
Speaker 1: we've needed, right, We've needed that that kind of leadership
Speaker 1: and not guys that throw their helmets and hang their heads. So,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever calming force he's had after you know,
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderest has gone out. Hopefully Layton is watching this
Speaker 1: and he can dial into that as well. But if
Speaker 1: he's a coordinator in this league or you know what
Speaker 1: assisted uh in this league, then it's going to be
Speaker 1: because of his skill set and what he is understanding
Speaker 1: of football. And you know, Shan Lee has that Isaiah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think we talked about it in the
Speaker 1: pregame show, right Kyle, And in terms of what he
Speaker 1: brings to this team, obviously, when he's on the field,
Speaker 1: you lose the You lose that, you lose the athleticism
Speaker 1: that he brings. He doesn't he no longer has that,
Speaker 1: but he does have the psyche um, he does have
Speaker 1: the confidence, he does have the understanding of the defense,
Speaker 1: and he can get you the right positions. I think
Speaker 1: when Sean Lee's out there is kind of like the
Speaker 1: big brother that you don't want to disappoint. So I
Speaker 1: guess what you do everything right right, You're in your
Speaker 1: right gaps. You play the way what you were supposed
Speaker 1: to play. You don't go outside of your responsibilities. And
Speaker 1: I think because of him, because he has that respect
Speaker 1: um and within within this organization, within this team, I
Speaker 1: think that guys did what they were supposed to do
Speaker 1: and then in turn you saw the results of it.
Speaker 1: You know, Joe Thomas actually played more snaps in the game.
Speaker 1: I think he had He had forty two snaps, Sean
Speaker 1: had had thirty, and Jalen Smith played the entire game
Speaker 1: seventy three snaps. But but yeah, you know, Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: did a nice job too. But like Hekma said talking
Speaker 1: about maybe coaching being in Shawn's future down the line,
Speaker 1: there's a reason why reporters ask him at the end
Speaker 1: of every year do you think about being a coach?
Speaker 1: Because he's got that He's got that mindset and his
Speaker 1: attention to detail is so strong, His study habits are
Speaker 1: so strong throughout his career. You know, Anthony Hitchins told
Speaker 1: us a story a couple of years when he was
Speaker 1: still here a couple of years ago, told us before
Speaker 1: he left for Kansas City that there was a play
Speaker 1: when he was a rookie. I think with Sean or
Speaker 1: the year after where Sean basically told him to play
Speaker 1: before the snap Pigeons got a pick and he told himself,
Speaker 1: I'm never not listening to Sean Lee again. And it's
Speaker 1: because John is capable of doing that, recognizing things and
Speaker 1: even yeah, even if his skills aren't what they were,
Speaker 1: he can That's been the problem for the Cowboy defensively,
Speaker 1: just kind of being in the right spot. I think
Speaker 1: he can help in that regard. It is a fans
Speaker 1: on the fifty Tuesday, but this is not a question.
Speaker 1: It was a statement from KAB Johnson in our chat
Speaker 1: and it just made me chuckle for a second. It
Speaker 1: says Shan Lee is still the best linebacker on this team.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's necessarily far off. I mean,
Speaker 1: just based off of the mentals, of course he's there.
Speaker 1: But I think with the play, I mean, with the
Speaker 1: way that the defense plays, whenever he's on the field,
Speaker 1: you can see a difference. You can see a calmness.
Speaker 1: So hey, I don't necessarily wholeheartedly disagree with that. I
Speaker 1: think there's actually a little bit of merit to what
Speaker 1: KB Johnson just said in our chat. I think he's
Speaker 1: good in his role. Like Asaiah spoke to it, I
Speaker 1: mean he playing thirty snaps. I think you don't want
Speaker 1: him trying to play seventy three snaps right now where
Speaker 1: he's out in his career, coming off that injury. He's
Speaker 1: had a bunch of injuries. But playing him in a rotation, yes, definitely,
Speaker 1: he can be that calming influence. And I think Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas too has earned an opportunity to step in when
Speaker 1: somebody's out as well. They've they've got some depth, veteran
Speaker 1: depth that has helped them in this last game. And
Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit more about these linebackers coming
Speaker 1: up throughout the week because they're gonna have another tough
Speaker 1: task against against the New York Giants coming up on
Speaker 1: Sunday to try and win a division or at least
Speaker 1: put you in a spot to win a division. But
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Speaker 1: you're with us here over the last forty or I
Speaker 1: guess over these forty five minutes. It's not. We're not
Speaker 1: done yet by any means, but we've also got some
Speaker 1: time now to answer some fan questions and go into
Speaker 1: fans on the fifty Fans on the fifty gosh, I
Speaker 1: love it when Chris Bean pushes those buttons in the back. Now,
Speaker 1: we've got some good questions coming in from fans this week,
Speaker 1: and the first ones comes from a good buddy of ours,
Speaker 1: Mike Crumb, who's been very supportive of the show over
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. And Mike Crumb ask which
Speaker 1: side of the football played better in the win on Sunday.
Speaker 1: The offensive side of the football with their five hundred
Speaker 1: plus yards and of course getting all the receivers you
Speaker 1: had two one hundred yard receivers, you had five touchdowns
Speaker 1: from receivers alone, and then you had Ezekiel Elliott with
Speaker 1: a hundred yard rushing game for the second time in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. But the defense played well too, with the
Speaker 1: three takeaways, and they had plenty of the sacks from
Speaker 1: Randy Greg Grief's fumbles interceptions. I mean, both sides played well,
Speaker 1: But we're gonna start with heckm on this one. Which
Speaker 1: side played better this past Sunday. You know, I think
Speaker 1: the popular answer would be the offense, just based off
Speaker 1: of the numbers that you just said, you know, with
Speaker 1: Zeke running for the yards and obviously the receiving yards
Speaker 1: as well. But I'm gonna go with the defense because
Speaker 1: I think the defense set the tone. Those three takeaways,
Speaker 1: those set getting those turnovers. I think it made life
Speaker 1: so much easier for our offense to get in the flow,
Speaker 1: getting those short field advantages. All of that just made
Speaker 1: the offense run a lot better. So I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with the defense, man Rob, I'm going to agree with
Speaker 1: Heck Maher, and I am going to say the defense
Speaker 1: because hello, you can look at all the offensive yards
Speaker 1: and there was big time. But man, you saw that
Speaker 1: really take a step forward in terms of resiliency being
Speaker 1: down fourteen nothing and not allowing that to snowball like
Speaker 1: we've seen all season long. And Mike Nolan spoke to
Speaker 1: that on call yesterday that you know, he had some
Speaker 1: concern like kind of oh, here we go again. And
Speaker 1: they went to the sideline, they explained what happened, and
Speaker 1: guys didn't blink, and that was a to me, a
Speaker 1: huge step forward defensively. Iaiah, I'm going to disagree, nice,
Speaker 1: I am going to say the offense. I'm going to
Speaker 1: say the offense. The reason why I stay the office
Speaker 1: is because I think there's there are more guys who
Speaker 1: played well than on the defense side of the ball.
Speaker 1: I think collectively, the defense played well because of a
Speaker 1: handful of players, you know, mostly that guy ninety four.
Speaker 1: He did a heck of a job. So you know,
Speaker 1: Gregory went out there and bawled out, and because he
Speaker 1: bawled out, the defense had a good day. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that other guys didn't do their job. I'm saying
Speaker 1: that one guy made a huge splash and because of that,
Speaker 1: you know, they played well. On the officer side of
Speaker 1: the ball. You had numerous guys that balled out. The
Speaker 1: offensive line killed it right. Officer line absolutely killed it.
Speaker 1: They only gave up a couple a couple of players
Speaker 1: in the backfield. Uh you know, Ezekiel Elliott got going right,
Speaker 1: which means that the officer line was also killing it.
Speaker 1: In the ground game, Andy Dawton was accurate. You know,
Speaker 1: Schultz was feisty. You know, all the receivers got off right.
Speaker 1: So when you started looking at the whole unit, everybody
Speaker 1: did their job. At the defenside of the ball, we
Speaker 1: still almost gave up five hundred yards. So yeah, we
Speaker 1: made some big plays to get turnovers, but we still
Speaker 1: almost gave up five hundred yards. So I can't say
Speaker 1: that the defense had a better day than offense. Feisty
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to the offense and the way that
Speaker 1: they played early on. I think the thing that got
Speaker 1: you was the Michael Gallop touchdown passed. Whenever you were
Speaker 1: down fourteen to three and you you needed a touchdown drive,
Speaker 1: that had to be a touchdown drive. And I feel
Speaker 1: like if that doesn't happen, you don't necessarily go on
Speaker 1: the same run that you did because you just gave
Speaker 1: up that eighty one yard passed that de Sean Jackson.
Speaker 1: Rob said it yesterday. Normally, if that play happens earlier
Speaker 1: in the season, you say, okay, he folds like the
Speaker 1: Cowboys turn around and they fold at that point. So
Speaker 1: I think overall, when you look at that play in
Speaker 1: the game, that could be the turning point was getting
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop converting in the red zone, which is still
Speaker 1: a struggle for this team. We're gonna talk about that
Speaker 1: here in a little bit as well, but I think
Speaker 1: that was something that really kind of turned the tide
Speaker 1: a little bit. So I'll give it to the offense
Speaker 1: on that one, even though I did like the way
Speaker 1: the defense played. Now, whenever Zach Martin returns, this is
Speaker 1: a separate question. When Zach Martin returns coming up maybe
Speaker 1: this week, maybe the first round of the playoffs, should
Speaker 1: we get that far, is it a foregone conclusion that
Speaker 1: he is one back in the lineup and two what
Speaker 1: position is he going to play? That's my question because
Speaker 1: I think, yes, you put a future Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: in the lineup, but is he gonna play guard or
Speaker 1: is he gonna play tackle? Rob phillips Well, Jerry on
Speaker 1: the Fan, a few minutes ago, didn't sound optimistic about
Speaker 1: Zach this week. We'll see, but and Steven kind of
Speaker 1: hinted at it yesterday on the fan that absolute best
Speaker 1: case scenario when he hurt his calf would be week seventeen.
Speaker 1: And they don't want to risk him obviously because he is.
Speaker 1: To me, he's their best player. But if he gets
Speaker 1: back this week, or whether it's the playoffs that they
Speaker 1: get there, I'd put him at right tackle, right where
Speaker 1: he was when he got hurt, because I think Connor
Speaker 1: McGovern has really stepped up. I really like the way
Speaker 1: he's playing at right guard, and I just think when
Speaker 1: you talk about your best five, I would put Zach
Speaker 1: at right tackle because he can play anywhere when he's healthy. Isaiah, Yeah, best,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him at guard. So yeah, let me
Speaker 1: answer your question. Yes, heck yes, he goes straight back
Speaker 1: into the lineup. Yeah, yeah, straight back into the lineup,
Speaker 1: no questions asked. Uh. And then when he does get
Speaker 1: back in the lineup, you put him in that guard.
Speaker 1: The reason being, you know, if we do get past
Speaker 1: the Giants and Washington folds, then we slide into the
Speaker 1: playoffs and we played what Tampa Bay um, and you know,
Speaker 1: obviously you got JPP on the ends, but you also
Speaker 1: have what in dominicansu right and my tripper, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: not tripping on the inside, so you might want to
Speaker 1: have his presence there um and then and then you
Speaker 1: take into the into the account that you know, it's
Speaker 1: a calf injury, so he has to cover a lot
Speaker 1: more ground as a tackle versus as a guard, so
Speaker 1: it's a lot more stress on that part of your
Speaker 1: body at that at the outside position. Yeah, one percent
Speaker 1: agree with what you just said. I said for the
Speaker 1: same reasons, and that calf injury, injury and him kicking
Speaker 1: out with it. Uh, that was just one of the
Speaker 1: boy products of him playing right tackle was that calf
Speaker 1: injury and how much he was extending that leg. They
Speaker 1: had to kick back that far at guard. So to me,
Speaker 1: I ask that what position do you want to play?
Speaker 1: Whatever you want to do is all right with me.
Speaker 1: But I've definitely lined him up back up at guard.
Speaker 1: All right. Moving on to a new question from Strike Chris.
Speaker 1: This has to go with the offensive side of the
Speaker 1: football as well. Kind of sticking with that same theme,
Speaker 1: do you guys think that Mike McCarthy has influenced Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore's play calling these past three games. Of course, talking
Speaker 1: about the winning street Guysiah, I'm gonna say the second
Speaker 1: half when he he probably smacked Kelly Moore upside ahead
Speaker 1: and say give the ball to Zeke. That's what I
Speaker 1: think it happened. I don't think prior to that. I
Speaker 1: think Kelly Moore was doing what he wanted to do.
Speaker 1: You heard me yelling in the studio when we were
Speaker 1: watching the game live that they were they still weren't
Speaker 1: giving the ball to Zeke when they got down to
Speaker 1: the red zone, and it was it was infuriating me.
Speaker 1: It was frustrating. They kept trying to force it with
Speaker 1: the past, and I think Kelly Moore is still fighting
Speaker 1: fighting those past demons or whenever he want. Whenever he
Speaker 1: gets down there, he just can't get it from throwing
Speaker 1: the ball here forgetting that he has a dog back there.
Speaker 1: So I think I think you saw it change in
Speaker 1: the second half and you started handing the ball to
Speaker 1: Zeke a lot more. I think that was McCarthy saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you better get this boy the ball. Heck, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought that there was one point in the game
Speaker 1: where Isaiah where you've been talking about that veto power
Speaker 1: from coach McCarthy. I thought that there was a timeout
Speaker 1: that he called and I felt as though he was
Speaker 1: veto in the play. However, the next play we had
Speaker 1: an illegal formation. I don't know if you guys remember
Speaker 1: that sequence in the game or not, but there was
Speaker 1: a part in it where it just seems like we
Speaker 1: were down in the red zone and then we had
Speaker 1: the illegal formation. Obviously we didn't get any points on it,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, you could tell that he
Speaker 1: is a lot more active on the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. And like you said, Isaiah, at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the season, I believe that Kelly Moore had a
Speaker 1: lot of leash, but not so much anymore. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think McCarthy is meddling. No, do I think
Speaker 1: he provides some advice. Yeah. I think it's probably gone
Speaker 1: on all season long. I think you know red zone
Speaker 1: is Kyle, you reference it. It's been a problem. They
Speaker 1: were two of five on Sunday, they were one of
Speaker 1: three goals to go, and you can say they need
Speaker 1: to run the ball. They've tried to run the ball
Speaker 1: down there in some games and they haven't been able
Speaker 1: to do it and so sometimes maybe that's why he
Speaker 1: goes away from it. But I think if you want
Speaker 1: to point it, you know, one thing for Kellen to
Speaker 1: get better at, or you know, just the offense to
Speaker 1: get better at, and some of it's play calling. It
Speaker 1: It is situationally down there figuring out the best ways
Speaker 1: to do it. And you can't just say it's because
Speaker 1: you don't have your offensive line. You've got to find
Speaker 1: ways around that. And you know what he did against
Speaker 1: San Francisco with some of those trick plays that you know,
Speaker 1: that's what a coach has to do is find ways
Speaker 1: to figure it out. But yeah, I think Mike probably
Speaker 1: has some hand in it just because of his experience
Speaker 1: and trying to guide him. But I think he does
Speaker 1: want to give Kellen some autonomy there for sure. I
Speaker 1: think there's been a little bit of that all season long.
Speaker 1: And also, by the way, I think what you said
Speaker 1: a moment ago, Rob would be the perfect name for
Speaker 1: one of those like coach parody Twitter accounts, those like
Speaker 1: Burner accounts. It's Meddling McCarthy instead of like Tom the
Speaker 1: Herman or whatever they've had in the past, And I
Speaker 1: mean they have all those like those parody twitter accounts.
Speaker 1: We need to have a Meddling McCarthy Twitter account. I
Speaker 1: think that would be funny. Final question, we might have
Speaker 1: time for one more after this is going seven and
Speaker 1: nine and not making the playoffs. The worst case scenario
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. This comes from KB Johnson. If the
Speaker 1: Cowboys lose this week and they're out of the playoffs,
Speaker 1: they're guarantee the top ten pick. If they win this
Speaker 1: week and they don't make the playoffs, they're gonna be
Speaker 1: picking around sixteen, maybe fifteen in the draft. I think
Speaker 1: as low as they could go would probably be fourteen,
Speaker 1: but that would have to take a couple extra wins
Speaker 1: in the middle there to work things out. But Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I'll start with you on this one. Is seven and nine,
Speaker 1: no playoffs the worst case scenario for Dallas. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the only reason you played this game to
Speaker 1: win one one trophy. I mean, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I know I understand everybody's out there trying to jock
Speaker 1: for positions, and maybe this isn't Maybe this is why
Speaker 1: I'm not a head coach or a GM. But you
Speaker 1: show up to win a freaking super Bowl. If you
Speaker 1: don't win a super Bowl. That's the worst case scenario.
Speaker 1: That's that's the worst case scenario. You don't win that,
Speaker 1: that is your goal. You don't go out there for
Speaker 1: any other reason. Win a super Bowl, get money. That's it,
Speaker 1: Like like those are those are the two reasons why
Speaker 1: you play the game. And if you don't have an
Speaker 1: opportunity to go win that trophy, it sucks. It sucks you.
Speaker 1: Literally there was only one season that I had where
Speaker 1: I didn't make the playoffs in my whole career, and
Speaker 1: it sucked. It was a weird feeling. So and I've meant,
Speaker 1: I've ran across many guys who didn't have that opportunity.
Speaker 1: So yes, in my in my eyes, yes, that's the
Speaker 1: worst case scenario. I understand in terms of draft stock
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, there's not that many amazing guys
Speaker 1: coming out to draft this year that you just have
Speaker 1: to have anyway. So if there is every year to
Speaker 1: go seventy nine, this is probably it unless you're picking
Speaker 1: it with what the top five picks. Other than that,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's pretty equal. Heck, hey, Rob,
Speaker 1: this is where I interject herm at wards, you play
Speaker 1: the wind the game. Hello, it's just it's just what
Speaker 1: it is. But I understand. I understand there is a
Speaker 1: large contingent of of our fan base that loves the
Speaker 1: draft possibilities and rankings, and there's so much that's gonna
Speaker 1: go on from January all the way to April. With
Speaker 1: the draft right now, none of that matters this team.
Speaker 1: If we can actually get into the playoffs, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: care where we pick in the first round. I would
Speaker 1: you know what I want to pick thirty second. That's
Speaker 1: what I really want to pick. Pick us because if
Speaker 1: you if you pick thirty second, that means you want
Speaker 1: something right. So that's where I want to be. I
Speaker 1: don't know, like there's a lot, there's a lot that
Speaker 1: goes into it. There's a lot of stock that's put
Speaker 1: into these players that's coming in right now. Uh, this
Speaker 1: coaching staff is trying to salvage this year. And if
Speaker 1: I'm coach Mike McCarthy with the year that I have,
Speaker 1: if after this last after Sunday night, if you end
Speaker 1: up being the NFC East champ, because here is that
Speaker 1: one heck of a year coaching. Yeah, and Kyle, I'll
Speaker 1: be tuning into the Draft show today and it is today, right,
Speaker 1: Yes it is. Yeah, and and so like you know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have the insight you guys have
Speaker 1: on it. But they've missed out on a top three pick,
Speaker 1: so to me, they've missed already missed out on a
Speaker 1: bona fide can't miss prospect. So that ship has sailed.
Speaker 1: And at this point, you I mean, you're just it
Speaker 1: has That hasn't changed. You're trying to win games, trying
Speaker 1: to get in the playoffs, and then see what happens draft. Well,
Speaker 1: wherever you are. Dak Prescott was one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: fifth pick as a compensatory draft pick in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: you can find players. They have a good scouting department,
Speaker 1: They're still gonna have a relatively high pick regardless, and
Speaker 1: just go make it happen regardless, as in whenever we
Speaker 1: I mean whenever we lose the Super Bowl, I mean
Speaker 1: we're gonna win the Super Bowl, so I mean we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a lot pick. I mean, it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And by the way I said this, we had one
Speaker 1: more question, will they erect an Andy Dalton statue if
Speaker 1: we win the Super Bowl at AT and T Stadium?
Speaker 1: This is from Senior lost three on the periscope stream,
Speaker 1: do you think so? Yes, No, gentlemen, yes, whenever we
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, that's what's happening, right, No, he
Speaker 1: would be the new Nick Foles. Well, they they made
Speaker 1: a statue of Nick Foles in Philly, So then that
Speaker 1: means I'm just saying that the red rifle will get one.
Speaker 1: So no, man, Okay, okay, that's fine. I guess that's fine.
Speaker 1: By the way, if I can come back from two
Speaker 1: and seven and win my fantasy league title, which I
Speaker 1: did this past weekend, the Cowboys can go from three
Speaker 1: and nine and go win a super Bowl. So I
Speaker 1: just wanted to throw that flex in there. But also
Speaker 1: that there, how about that fantasy champion back to back years.
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Speaker 1: been hearing rumors around Kellen Moore, and the first report
Speaker 1: came from Mike Prator of the Idaho Press. He reported
Speaker 1: on Twitter that Kellen Moore had interviewed for the Boise
Speaker 1: State head coaching job. Of course, our offensive coordinator played
Speaker 1: from played for Boise State from two thousand and eight
Speaker 1: to twenty eleven. He was top ten in Heisman voting
Speaker 1: three out of his four seasons on campus and as
Speaker 1: one of the winning his quarterbacks in collegiate football history.
Speaker 1: So I asked this question on our Mixed Match show
Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve with Jesse Holly, Date Newton and Barry Church,
Speaker 1: and I kind of want to oppose this to you
Speaker 1: guys as well, but would you be upset if Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore left? Because there's growth from Kellen Moore. You've seen that,
Speaker 1: You've seen the fact that he's grown as an offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator in his second year in the job, and really
Speaker 1: his third or fourth year as a coach overall. But
Speaker 1: would you be overly upset if he took this head
Speaker 1: coaching job? And left for at least seemingly greener more
Speaker 1: potato we pastures in Idaho. Isaiah, I I like it too.
Speaker 1: I would not be angry. I wouldn't be angry at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, when people have opportunities, you gotta hop on him.
Speaker 1: These things don't pop open, you know, and then they
Speaker 1: don't pop open too often, especially um this situation like
Speaker 1: he has there with Boise States. So if he if
Speaker 1: he takes advantage of opportunity, good for him. Good thing
Speaker 1: is I think we already have another officeive coordinator on staff,
Speaker 1: so we'll be all right. Who are you talking about there?
Speaker 1: I just want to clarify the McCarthy of Mike, Okay,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure you think he would
Speaker 1: call plays you think he would absolutely absolutely no love
Speaker 1: for Garrett nust Meyer or excuse me, Doug nust Meyer.
Speaker 1: Garrett's his son. That place for flatman Marcus. So he's
Speaker 1: a little young for the job, like many we saw bath. Yeah, Gary,
Speaker 1: get up here. We lost one young boy genius. We
Speaker 1: gotta get another one here, hurried up. I know you
Speaker 1: got to play at school, alright, God, Kyle, oh man,
Speaker 1: I look, I thought about this, and you've asked the
Speaker 1: question before, and I just feel like, you know, give
Speaker 1: all this up. You've better come on in. It's a Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do that. But if that's
Speaker 1: and I understand for for him being that's home and
Speaker 1: he's had so many skins on the wall back. Uh,
Speaker 1: if Boys, he stayed for thirty two years old, I
Speaker 1: mean getting that head coaching experience, if that's where he
Speaker 1: really is, and and that job is a dream job
Speaker 1: for him, Man, kudos are kelling and you know, by
Speaker 1: all means take that position. He wouldn't. I feel like
Speaker 1: they're gonna you know, Mike McCarthy to me would be
Speaker 1: the person that would be called in those plays if
Speaker 1: there wasn't a killing more this year. So uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be mad at him for leaving, but I just,
Speaker 1: I mean be hard. I'd be hard to leave though,
Speaker 1: that just be me. Yeah. They The fish on the
Speaker 1: Fan asked me if I had a gut feeling about it,
Speaker 1: and I really don't, because you know, obviously he's interested.
Speaker 1: I mean, he kind of said that it's a unique opportunity.
Speaker 1: He's going to go through the process of seeing what
Speaker 1: it entails and then make a decision. But but the
Speaker 1: Joneses are very persuasive, you know, and and they they
Speaker 1: obviously want him to stay Kyle Kyle. You asking like
Speaker 1: based on his performance as the play callers, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can have said if he were gone exactly yes,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, the way that he brings a new
Speaker 1: modern look to the offense. I think we all could
Speaker 1: agree that Kellen Moore has done a better job than
Speaker 1: Scott Lanahan did here. Yeah, and we talked about the
Speaker 1: red zone. That's been probably the biggest thing you can
Speaker 1: point to that needs to improve. But they were in
Speaker 1: terms of yardage, they were number one last year. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, there are things you can point to about
Speaker 1: the run game and and and being more balanced. But
Speaker 1: I have been impressed with the last month or so adapting,
Speaker 1: adapting this scheme without Dak and being more balanced and
Speaker 1: finding a way to make it work with the offensive
Speaker 1: line like that's and what he did on Sunday, what
Speaker 1: they did on Sunday offensively was really impressive. I think
Speaker 1: you're seeing him grow as a play caller. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's got a lot of promise. He does
Speaker 1: that promise, And honestly, if you want to talk about
Speaker 1: coaching success and going to a specific school to have
Speaker 1: coaching success. Boise State would be that because if you
Speaker 1: look at every coach since nineteen ninety seven, they have
Speaker 1: left their job to go to a Power five conference.
Speaker 1: Houston Nutt went to Arkansas after a year, Dirk co Orridor,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say his last name, He
Speaker 1: went to Arizona State, Dan Hawkins went to Colorado. Chris Peterson,
Speaker 1: of course he left and went to You Dub. Of course,
Speaker 1: mister Isaiah's stand back. He's had some success up at
Speaker 1: You Dub. And then Brian Harson of course, just leaving
Speaker 1: to go and take the head coaching job at Auburn.
Speaker 1: So one, two, three, or five straight head coaches at
Speaker 1: Boise State have left to go on to go to
Speaker 1: a Power five conference, and now Boise State has an
Speaker 1: opportunity to bring one of their own back. They're gonna
Speaker 1: go after Kellamore. I have no doubt about that. That's
Speaker 1: my gut feeling. But I agree with both of you.
Speaker 1: Why would you leave or is there really that much
Speaker 1: incentive to leave? I think that's the biggest question whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to him taking that job. But that's gonna
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