WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Turning The Corner? 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:14.960 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:25.880 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.760 Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:39.320 Star in Frisco. Following the lives and now your hosts 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:44.920 Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:50.000 It's a Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Geico. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.720 Here from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:58.800 in Frisco. Still reeling over the thirty seven seventeen Cowboys 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.600 win against the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday afternoon and the 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:06.080 fact that the Cowboys are indeed still alive in the 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.880 NFC's hunt going into the final week of the regular season. 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:11.800 We're gonna break it down and we're gonna talk about 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.720 some of the scenarios, some of the questions, and we're 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.959 gonna answer your questions here on this edition of Talking 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:21.400 Cowboys as Fans on the fifty comes up at nine fifty, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.240 But first let me introduce the group, as always Isaiah 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.800 Stanback or Resident Super Bowl Champion. We've got Cowboys Insider 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.360 and the guy who just got off the fan, mister 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.920 Rob Phillips. You might have heard him on Sean and 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:34.840 r J, or at least this week at Sean and 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.560 Fish on the fan this week. And then you've got 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:43.160 our professional football insider and an analyst, mister Heckma Harrison, 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.800 joining us as always, I'm Kyle, you Olma's driving the 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.640 bus and boys, I've got some bad news to start 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:51.080 the show today, some really bad news. Oh no, yes, 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:55.000 this is unfortunate for Cowboys fans because yesterday we had 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.200 the breaking news that Dwayne Haskins was not going to 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.280 be the starter for Washington, which was bad news in 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.360 its own right, but then he was released and now 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.280 out of the division as the guy who could potentially 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.040 help you get to a playoff spot, not his own team, 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.560 but our team, the Dallas Cowboys, and that was unfortunate 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.360 because we need Washington to lose on Sunday, and Dwayne 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.760 Haskins is now out in Washington. He was waived yesterday 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.320 by the football team and they are going with Taylor 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.680 Heineke as the starter, the product out of Old Dominion, 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.320 or at least a starter if Alex Smith is not ready. Rob, 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.680 So still a lot of question marks there, and then 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.600 you know it's gonna be unfortunate not seeing Dwayne Haskins 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:42.679 out there helping your case. Yeah, I mean that was 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.680 a quick turnaround, right. He gets the start and has 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:47.360 an opportunity to put him in the playoffs, and the 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.000 next day, I guess Ron Rivera makes that decision to 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.080 move on. You know, I wouldn't discount him having a 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.680 comeback and being successful in this league. He's a young 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:01.560 player and give him time to things out. But yeah, 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.720 I mean, for this particular matchup, you don't want to 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.040 see Alex Smith playing on Sunday night because I just 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:08.960 said it on the fan. We'll see what happens. I 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.920 think Philly's got enough talent to win that game, but 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.760 when they're out of the playoffs, they're not playing for anything. 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.519 And Washington's front is still a problem even with Terry 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:24.639 McLain potentially not playing in that game. I think Washington 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.480 win an ugly game, but hey, you still got to 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.360 play the game and find out and the Cowboys have 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.080 to win their game on Sunday and not worry about that. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.120 Just say, for Boss in the middlewlands on Sunday. Now, 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:38.080 there was some conspiracy theory kind of bubbling up yesterday 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.360 with Rex Ryan on ESPN's Monday Night Countdown, and he 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.560 was talking about how there's no way that Philadelphia allows 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.880 the Cowboys to win this division, that they were going 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.760 to throw the game against Washington, and that there was 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.480 going to be this tanking going on with Philadelphia and 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.920 the football team coming up on Sunday Night football, And Isaiah, 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.600 I just want you to I know you're not a 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.800 team to anchor. You don't believe in team tank. You 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.240 don't think it's a thing. But is there such thing 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.320 as maybe the jealousy? Is there such thing as maybe 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.240 the pettiness from a Philadelphia team that you just beat 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.360 by twenty to go into this game and say, you know, 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:18.320 we'd rather Washington win this thing? You No, not even possible. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.800 I think. I think anytime you're playing in one of 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.120 your divisional divisional woes, you want to make sure that 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.760 you send them home packing. And whenever you have opportunity 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.840 to send them home packing without opportunity at the playoffs, 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.600 you definitely hop all over that opportunity. So I look 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.160 forward to seeing Feeling have a bounce back game and 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:39.480 smack these dudes upside of their head. I also saw 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.760 that no I saw that also, and when Rex when 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.080 he said that, I thought that was just another one 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.520 of those things that he says on ESPN, and he's 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.680 been known to say some really outlandis things, So that 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.080 was just one more thing to pile in that bucket 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:58.560 of manure things that he says. But I don't believe that. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.440 I believe that Philly is gonna come out fighting for 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.840 their pride to finish the season on the high note. 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.960 They have a rookie quarterback that they've gotten behind, that 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.200 they feel good about this season, that they to end 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.359 this season. But going back to the way that you 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:19.680 framed that question about Haskins, good lord, Kyle, have mercy, dude, man, 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.159 it's uh, how do you go from how do you 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.040 go from like you said, Rob starting to being released 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.720 four hours twenty four hours and he's had it struggles 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.440 and it's all been documented. And you know, Kyle, you 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.440 know how I am. Man. When we talk to coaches 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.440 and they have a guy that's a you know, a 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.920 little disgruntled or maybe on the fringe of getting kicked 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.960 off of the team, I'm always asking, is there anything 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.920 to save in a kid? You know, because I was 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.480 a two school kid that this look had my own problems. 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.440 But you know, when it gets to this level when 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.839 guys have millions of dollars and they have immaturity maturity issues, 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.599 you know, I feel for Dwayne Haskins. He wasn't someone 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.480 that Rum Rivera and his staff wanted anyway, wouldn't have 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.679 drafted if he was the coach of the Washington football 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.120 team during that time. So you know, I believe in 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.440 the redemptive powers man, and I hope that this young 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.280 man does have an opportunity to redeem his career. And 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.720 ye too, he's twenty three years old. You know, a 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.159 lot of time to sort it out. One more thing 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.640 about the Eagles, Like, while I said, look, they're out 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.279 of the playoffs, they have to evaluate Jalen Hurts. They 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.039 got to figure out who the quarterback is going in 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.320 the next season, and it very well. They may already 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.480 feel like it's Jalen Hurts, but that they've got to 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.720 put him in situations to be successful to make their 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.320 evaluation in the off season. So that I think this game, 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.640 every game he plays, is big for them. Yeah, And 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:39.960 going back kind of back and forth between these two 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.000 first off with Rex Ryan saying that I'm one a 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.960 night countdown yesterday. There's nothing wrong with being a part 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:46.960 of ESPN. I would love to be at that table 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.800 he was sitting at one day. However, that might be 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:51.880 the reason why he's sitting at the table talking on 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.359 a broadcast rather than coaching in the NFL anymore. Is 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.600 by its saying things like that if, oh, there's no 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.720 way that Philadelphia is going to go out and win 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:02.719 this game, but there's conspiracy theories everywhere. Yeah, maybe that's 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.360 the reason why he's talking on TV and he's not 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.680 talking on a headset on the sideline. But also, whenever 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.080 it comes to Haskins, he needs to go to a 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.040 better situation that was never gonna work for him and 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.440 the kind of player that he is. You talk about 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.240 the immaturity that's certainly there, but with Dwayne Haskins, he 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:20.880 needs to go to a hard ass head coach. He 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:25.880 needs to go somewhere where it's a straightforward line of thinking, 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.320 maybe a veteran quarterback sitting in front of him. I 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.400 think Pittsburgh would be the ultimate opportunity for him. I 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.080 think that would be the best place for him to 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.040 go and grow underneath Ben Roethlisberger. Who had his own 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.120 struggles of immaturity early in his career turn that around 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.880 to put together put together a Hall of fame resume. 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.000 I mean, Mike Tomlin, hard ass head coach. There's plenty 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:46.720 of places where he could go, and so I think 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.600 Dwayne Haskins has a chance to kind of reset press 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.040 that reset button and hopefully it does end up in 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.360 a fruitful career. But let's talk about these Cowboys a 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.800 little bit, because no matter what happens with Washington, you 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.520 have to win on Sunday against New York. And that's 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.120 not necessarily a foregone conclusion. We've seen this Cowboys team 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:08.160 already this season. New York also gunning for a playoff spot. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.680 But this Cowboys defense is where I want to start today, 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:12.720 and I want to talk about kind of the improvement 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.480 we've seen on that side of the football. And Isaiah, 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.360 I'm gonna start with you with the turnovers ten over 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.360 the last three games and the way that this defense 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.760 has kind of turned things around and played over the 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.280 last couple of weeks against maybe lesser competition but still 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:30.120 have seen some improvement. Has Mike Nolan does done enough 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.000 at this point to save his job going into the 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:34.800 off season or is there still a little bit more 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:39.480 you want to see from Nolan's defense. I think he 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.080 put it this way. I think he has if these 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.960 guys can remain consistent through the rest of the season, 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:51.280 if they could finish off this last game showing any 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.960 kind of retention at all that they understand his defense, 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.240 any kind of retention that these guys continue wanted to 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.480 play hard and they're playing collective football, They're they're playing 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.920 with energy, um, you know, you know, carrying out their assignments. 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:05.840 I think that he has done a good job turning 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:07.720 it around. I think he's show he's shown a glimmer 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.320 of hope. I think that along with you know, the 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:11.880 fact that people are gonna say, of course he didn't 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.040 have a full offseason or we understand that for sure, 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.240 everybody's been in that situation. But I think I guess 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:23.679 it to sum it all up, I think so no 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.480 I like that I was in and I feel like 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.640 there's this's you know, percentage of a chance that he has, right. Um. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.920 I think that once he these last couple of games, 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:34.920 I mean, he's just been like, for my next trick, 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.240 I'm going to change the turnover differential Waila, and that 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.000 is what's happened, and it's made games so much easier 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.320 for us. And like I said yesterday, Man, just football 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.960 enjoyable to watch when you see us getting those turnovers. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.760 But at the same time, Man, we got to talk 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.440 about the coaching job in general for all of these guys, 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.280 because getting this team on track, whether it's been smashing 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.920 watermelons or whatever, they have to do to get these 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.920 guys back to playing passionately and flying around. That's the 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.559 one thing that I see that is the difference from 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.360 this team five games ago. They're playing with passionate flying around. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.200 They're not the same dejected team that you saw on 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.000 the sideline in the Baltimore game. And I think it's 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.839 been the turnovers that's made the difference. It's getting home Isaiah, 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.280 it's you know, getting the running game established, just those 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:26.120 little sparks in chunk plays making everything easy for us. 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.680 So look, I know the question is whether Mike Nolan 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.240 will come back next year. I really hope he does, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.960 and I hope he gets an opportunity to implement his system. 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.480 I know you're gonna be talking about the draft show today. 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:40.720 We need a big upfront all of the you know, Beefy, 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.920 best player available, talk whatever. We need a big guy 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.200 up front right now. We're playing with two down linemen 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.920 and four linebackers. We need some bigger guys up there 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.560 to make this scheme work for this team. Yeah. I've 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:57.439 been saying that too. That's my number one priority. Unless 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.640 you know, they may think Tristan Hill comes back and 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.559 can Aaron Donald, but I still think you need some 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.600 help upfront and a lot of spots. I think defensively, 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:08.600 they got to look at I'm with you, guys. I 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.600 think I think that's certainly possible. He's back because you know, 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.720 Mike McCarthy knows him as well as anybody in the NFL. 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:19.080 He's worked with him, and Mike reference after the game 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:23.719 on a couple different times time together, you know, cohesiveness, 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.160 all those things that I think with time, and even 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.160 Jerry said it on the fan this morning that you know, 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.760 he spoke about the secondary and how with time the 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:37.480 coaches have gained a better understanding of what guys do well. 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.520 Even if there's guys back there that maybe aren't as 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:44.080 instinctive of ballhawks, putting them in the right spots to 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.840 go make those plays and get those takeaways. I think 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.800 Diggs has definitely shown he can do that. But you know, 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.440 some of that is they're attributing that to coaching as 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.920 the season's gone along, So you are seeing a progression 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.160 even though they are still leaking yards and they're not 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.800 playing a lead offenses right now. You are seeing improvement 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:05.480 and that's important. And I also don't know if they're 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.360 necessarily sold on the fact of having to replace both 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.679 coordinators in an off season, especially after the one you 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.920 just had in twenty twenty. And that's certainly a possibility 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.600 as well with Kellen Moore and that that Boise State job. 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.840 We're gonna talk about that coming up in the third segment. 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.200 But continuing with this defense here, and I mean, this 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.560 is a guy who should be, at least at the moment, 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.440 should be a future head coach in the or not 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.640 head coach, but maybe a coach in the NFL. And 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.840 that's Sean Lee. And he's not the same physically. We 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.160 knew that. We knew that going into twenty twenty. We 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.520 knew that whenever the injuries were a problem earlier in 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:44.080 the year, but it was there was a calming presence 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.400 on that defense when Sean Lee was out there, there 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:50.080 were sound coverages. The reading of the especially the read 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.240 option against the team with Miles Sanders and Jalen Hurts 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.320 in the backfield, it was more succinct and it was 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.040 more sharp whenever Sean Lee was on the field. And 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.920 did you see that as well, Hackma come this past Sunday, 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.480 whenever Sean Lee was on the field. Maybe he physically 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.240 can't get it done, but the defense has confidence in 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.840 him to know where he's supposed to be and where 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:14.040 they are supposed to go. You know, all season we've 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:17.760 been talking about leaders leadership on this team, and fifty 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:19.640 it has been a leader on this team for a 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.839 very long time. And you know we talk calming force 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.520 on the defense, what have you, whatever it is. I 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.599 think that, you know, I really believe that the preparation 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.760 for this game, these guys are locked in, and I 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.200 think that's what you see happening on Sundays now. Shaun 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.240 Lee played his butt off and I think the leadership 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.320 that you know showed him. We talked about it yesterday 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.240 of him getting the guys together just to calm everybody 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.560 down and realize that, hey, we can actually win this 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.360 game even though we're down fourteen and three. That's what 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.880 we've needed, right, We've needed that that kind of leadership 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.400 and not guys that throw their helmets and hang their heads. So, 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.920 you know, whatever calming force he's had after you know, 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.080 Layton Vanderest has gone out. Hopefully Layton is watching this 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.680 and he can dial into that as well. But if 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.200 he's a coordinator in this league or you know what 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.880 assisted uh in this league, then it's going to be 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.880 because of his skill set and what he is understanding 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:17.199 of football. And you know, Shan Lee has that Isaiah, 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:18.720 you know, I think we talked about it in the 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.320 pregame show, right Kyle, And in terms of what he 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.480 brings to this team, obviously, when he's on the field, 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.960 you lose the You lose that, you lose the athleticism 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.120 that he brings. He doesn't he no longer has that, 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.520 but he does have the psyche um, he does have 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.240 the confidence, he does have the understanding of the defense, 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.080 and he can get you the right positions. I think 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:37.640 when Sean Lee's out there is kind of like the 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.600 big brother that you don't want to disappoint. So I 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:41.640 guess what you do everything right right, You're in your 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:43.680 right gaps. You play the way what you were supposed 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.240 to play. You don't go outside of your responsibilities. And 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.840 I think because of him, because he has that respect 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.160 um and within within this organization, within this team, I 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.320 think that guys did what they were supposed to do 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.200 and then in turn you saw the results of it. 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.960 You know, Joe Thomas actually played more snaps in the game. 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.760 I think he had He had forty two snaps, Sean 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.800 had had thirty, and Jalen Smith played the entire game 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.920 seventy three snaps. But but yeah, you know, Joe Thomas 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.720 did a nice job too. But like Hekma said talking 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.320 about maybe coaching being in Shawn's future down the line, 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.080 there's a reason why reporters ask him at the end 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.200 of every year do you think about being a coach? 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:24.400 Because he's got that He's got that mindset and his 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.840 attention to detail is so strong, His study habits are 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:31.160 so strong throughout his career. You know, Anthony Hitchins told 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:32.800 us a story a couple of years when he was 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.440 still here a couple of years ago, told us before 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.800 he left for Kansas City that there was a play 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.320 when he was a rookie. I think with Sean or 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.920 the year after where Sean basically told him to play 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.440 before the snap Pigeons got a pick and he told himself, 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.360 I'm never not listening to Sean Lee again. And it's 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:54.840 because John is capable of doing that, recognizing things and 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.320 even yeah, even if his skills aren't what they were, 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.520 he can That's been the problem for the Cowboy defensively, 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.000 just kind of being in the right spot. I think 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.840 he can help in that regard. It is a fans 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.880 on the fifty Tuesday, but this is not a question. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.480 It was a statement from KAB Johnson in our chat 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.320 and it just made me chuckle for a second. It 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.960 says Shan Lee is still the best linebacker on this team. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.160 I don't know if he's necessarily far off. I mean, 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.080 just based off of the mentals, of course he's there. 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.760 But I think with the play, I mean, with the 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.160 way that the defense plays, whenever he's on the field, 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.000 you can see a difference. You can see a calmness. 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:33.640 So hey, I don't necessarily wholeheartedly disagree with that. I 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.520 think there's actually a little bit of merit to what 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.200 KB Johnson just said in our chat. I think he's 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.520 good in his role. Like Asaiah spoke to it, I 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.440 mean he playing thirty snaps. I think you don't want 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.720 him trying to play seventy three snaps right now where 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:50.880 he's out in his career, coming off that injury. He's 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:55.040 had a bunch of injuries. But playing him in a rotation, yes, definitely, 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.680 he can be that calming influence. And I think Joe 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.240 Thomas too has earned an opportunity to step in when 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.080 somebody's out as well. They've they've got some depth, veteran 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.520 depth that has helped them in this last game. And 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.920 we'll talk a little bit more about these linebackers coming 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.080 up throughout the week because they're gonna have another tough 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.320 task against against the New York Giants coming up on 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.880 Sunday to try and win a division or at least 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.080 put you in a spot to win a division. But 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.120 when we come back here on Talking Cowboys presented by Geico, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.760 we're gonna go into fans on the fifty. What do 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:29.240 we do when Zach Martin returns. Is it a foregone 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.760 conclusion that he's back on this offensive line or is 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.880 there a little bit of question mark to that. We'll 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.480 answer that when we come back here on Talking Cowboys. 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.440 There's nothing as unique as our eyes, which is why 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.520 SLOR pioneers ways to make lenses as unique as you. 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:50.480 Vera lux for super sharp vision, Essential Blue for protection, 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:54.919 and Krizol for freedom from glare. Three cutting up solutions 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:59.400 in a single unique lens. So whatever your needs, consist 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.800 on visit your local essel or experts and find a 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:08.119 perfect lens for you. Seymore do Moore Lord. Since eighteen 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:12.080 sixty five, Stetson hats are American maid with pride right 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.800 here in Texas, and Stetson is proud to be on 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.720 the field with America's team. Want to show your Texas 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.600 and team pride too, You can by purchasing your own Stetson. 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:23.840 You can look just like how the flag guys do 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.360 on field at every home game. Stetson Hats the official 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:31.399 crown of all self respecting Cowboys and your favorite football team. 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:35.120 Get yours today at shop dot Dallas Cowboys dot com 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.400 or at Stetson dot com. I'm Jay Novachek, former tight 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.040 end for the Dallas Cowboys. Back in the day, I 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.280 was the guy who always got the tough yards and 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.320 that's why I run with John Deer today. In fact, 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.600 I have a John Deer three zero twenty five E 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.560 tractor that can handle any yard work I need to do, 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.359 even the tough yards way out back. So if you 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.080 have one acre or a thousand, John Deer has the 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.960 equipment that's just right for you. Visit a John Deer 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.040 dealer today and run with us. We are the official 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.880 tractor provider of your Dallas Cowboys. Here it's nineteen oh eight. 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.040 Don't you think we should get electricity and stop using 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.560 candles to see at night? It's just electricity lights up 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.400 the room fast. It's more reliable than candles blowing out, 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.840 and people seem to love it nationwide. Well candles, God 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.359 dare did you just run into the wall? I have 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:24.200 a new candle please. Historically, switching to new technology is 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.760 a no brainer. Today it's AT and T five G fast, reliable, secure, 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.280 and nationwide. Switch to AT and T five G. It's 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:32.800 not complicated. Five G requires compatible plant may not be 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:34.520 in your area. See att dot com slash five G 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:42.359 for you for details to Talking Cowboys. Onto the second 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.960 segment here of Talking Cowboys on a beautiful Tuesday from 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.760 Frisco and whether you're watching from home where you're cheering 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.359 in the stands. With essel Or lenses, you can see 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:55.280 every exciting play book, an appointment at your local Esler experts, 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.280 and see what Esselor can do for you. See more, 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:03.520 Do more. L Or. Isaiah Stanback the official Esselor spokesperson 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:09.880 and goggleware of everything and today's talking Cowboys. Like always, 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.080 he's alongside Rob Phillips, Heck Harrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.760 you're with us here over the last forty or I 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.040 guess over these forty five minutes. It's not. We're not 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.399 done yet by any means, but we've also got some 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.639 time now to answer some fan questions and go into 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:29.720 fans on the fifty Fans on the fifty gosh, I 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.560 love it when Chris Bean pushes those buttons in the back. Now, 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.440 we've got some good questions coming in from fans this week, 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.040 and the first ones comes from a good buddy of ours, 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.160 Mike Crumb, who's been very supportive of the show over 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.600 the last couple of years. And Mike Crumb ask which 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.520 side of the football played better in the win on Sunday. 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:52.080 The offensive side of the football with their five hundred 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.600