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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret history and little loan facts

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Speaker 1: behind your favorite music, movies, TV shows, and more. We're

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Speaker 1: two guys with too much free time in our hands.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jordan run Tug and I'm Alex Hegel. Jordan,

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Speaker 1: what are we talking about today? Today we are taking

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Speaker 1: a look at Legally Blonde, and there's a sequel in

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Speaker 1: the works that's been rumored to be out at some

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Speaker 1: point during this spring, but alas it's been held up

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Speaker 1: due to countless production delays, many of them COVID related.

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Speaker 1: First it was gonna be out on Valentine's Day, and

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Speaker 1: then it was at some point this May, and now

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Speaker 1: unfortunately it's delayed indefinitely while writers Mindy Kaling and Dan

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Speaker 1: the missing piece of millennial blonde nostalgia in all of

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Speaker 1: our hearts. What are they calling it? Does it have

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Speaker 1: a working title? I think Legally Blonde three? The Secret

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Speaker 1: Like forty five minutes later, we're here just pitching Mindy Kaling.

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Speaker 1: Can we get Mindy on Jamie? Can we get Mindy

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Speaker 1: on the phone? Thank you? That's our producing Early Blonde

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Speaker 1: three back in the heat. All right, well, Jordan, what

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Speaker 1: do you What do you think about Legally Blonde? I

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Speaker 1: just I think it's a great movie. It's just a

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Speaker 1: smart satire about self acceptance and challenging stereotypes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: What do you think about this movie? I think it's great.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I was a little upset to see that

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Speaker 1: just make some absolute crap after words. Um, but that

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Speaker 1: is no fault of Legally Blonds. You can't reheat a

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Speaker 1: sue fla. I'm told so. All the former Beatles said

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Speaker 1: after they bummer, weird bummer. Uh, Jordan's going through some stuff, folks. Uh. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we've already compared this to the die Hard franchise

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Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon's nature documentary style trips to southern California, sororities, Bruiser,

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Speaker 1: And finally, how this movie is actually indirectly responsible for

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Speaker 1: didn't know about Legally Blonde. So, for many reasons, the

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Speaker 1: producers of Legally Blond couldn't have picked a better performer

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Speaker 1: uniquely qualified for this part. Because she's an Ivy League

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Speaker 1: and she hung out with sorority girls at the University

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Speaker 1: of Southern California. So she and Jessica Coffeel, who plays Margot,

426
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: took out an entire sorority and bought them all Margarita's

427
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Speaker 1: for the entire night while the two actresses only drank

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Speaker 1: water and took notes. And Coffeel tells the story that

429
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Speaker 1: the drinks started to come over for the table and

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Speaker 1: and she reaches for one and re scrabs her hand

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00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, we're only drinking water. We're here

432
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Speaker 1: to observe. She feels the dad creepy to me, But yeah,

433
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: she got she picked up stuff from the sorority people. Yeah,

434
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: it's like like Jane Goodall being like absorbed into into

435
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Speaker 1: this community of Ah. They taught her a little phrases

436
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: and mannerisms, and one of them was that instead of

437
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: saying what's up? You apparently have to say was sabi

438
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: because they identify as the quote sushi crowd, and Reese

439
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,239
Speaker 1: told him Entertainment Weekly in two thousand one. I went

440
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: to dinner with them, and she said, it's sort of

441
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: like an anthropological study. You learn what they eat, how

442
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: they behave, how they take care of their young, that

443
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: sort of thing. Seriously, though, I've learned that people don't

444
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Speaker 1: know what their worst characteristics are. It's inherent in our

445
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 1: nature that we don't know what in ourselves is abhorrent

446
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: to other people. So it's really easy to infiltrate people's lives.

447
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: They showed all sides of themselves this Hannibal lecture talking

448
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Speaker 1: to Clarice. Good Lord Reese, my god, very very seriously,

449
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Speaker 1: I'm frightened by her. Now, Um, Harvard wasn't even els

450
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Speaker 1: intended school. This is funny the number of schools that

451
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Speaker 1: refused to participated in this. Yeah, and it kind of

452
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah. ELL's big goal in the movie is

453
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Speaker 1: famously to go to Harvard Law after she's dumped by

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Speaker 1: her scumbag boyfriend who doesn't take her seriously, and in

455
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Speaker 1: the original version of the script, l wanted to go

456
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Speaker 1: to Stanford, like her creator Amanda Brown, but Stanford's admission

457
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: disapproved of the ripped and how they were worried they'd

458
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Speaker 1: come off in the film, which makes sense. So then

459
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: they were going to go to the University of Chicago,

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00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: but they also refused, specifically because of the scene where

461
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 1: els professor makes advances towards her, which again makes a

462
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Speaker 1: lot of sense. I can see why your school would

463
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Speaker 1: be associated with that, but Harvard was apparently fine with

464
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Speaker 1: all this. Uh. And what makes this really interesting about

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Speaker 1: l going to Harvard is that Mark Zuckerberg started his

466
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Speaker 1: freshman year at Harvard in two thousand two at the

467
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Speaker 1: same time l was starting her second year of law school.

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Speaker 1: She was the class of two thousand and four, which

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Speaker 1: means that she's conceivably one of the very first Facebook

470
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Speaker 1: users back when it was just restricted to Harvard emails.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's interesting something. Yeah, that's somewhere were getting

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Speaker 1: that we're getting somewhere. Um. Harvard allowed their name to

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Speaker 1: be used, but they did not allow production to shoot

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Speaker 1: in their hallowed halls, which they kind of famously don't

475
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Speaker 1: like to do. So instead, all of the campus filming

476
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Speaker 1: took place at Rose High School. The University of Southern

477
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Speaker 1: California and cal Tech. Yeah, this is one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite bits. I will take this one. Cal Tech supplied

479
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: some very important ingredients of this movie. Y the frat

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Speaker 1: side of things. Jordan has this caption with a very

481
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Speaker 1: excellent beat on the frat um. To heighten the reality

482
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Speaker 1: of this film, the producers hired real life frat brows

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Speaker 1: to be a part of it. In the opening credit sequence,

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Speaker 1: you see a blonde woman ride her bike past a

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Speaker 1: bunch of these frat guys out of the lawn. And

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00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: these were real cal Tech frat brothers who were basically

487
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: a last minute addition to the scene in the film.

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Speaker 1: They were in the middle of an initiation right referred

489
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Speaker 1: to as grease frosh, which consists of dousing each other

490
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: in shortening oil lard and oil olive oil, presumably both.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how slicky, I don't

492
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Speaker 1: know how oily. You gotta get to play grease frost

493
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Speaker 1: and Okay, so they get all greased. That word is

494
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: just so funny to me. They get all greased up,

495
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: just real greasy boys, and then they have a race

496
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Speaker 1: to see who can carry a freshman successfully from one

497
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Speaker 1: end of a field or this lawn to another in

498
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Speaker 1: the fastest time. I don't know if prizes are rewarded.

499
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just for bragging rights. But

500
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: these guys just wondered onto the set. Imagine your director,

501
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: Robert Looted, whatever you've come off your weird boob movie.

502
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: Your career is laid out in front of you like

503
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Speaker 1: the yellow Brick Road. This is your first feature film.

504
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: You've got the world as your oyster, and a bunch

505
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: of greasy frat guys wonder into your shot. What do

506
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: you do? You make it work? And that's why he's

507
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: making the big money. For Gerard Butler, rom Coms, no

508
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: one remembers, Uh, he just brought him into the shot. Um.

509
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Speaker 1: He just said, do you guys want to be in

510
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: the movie? He literally said, do you guys want to

511
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: be in the movie? Uh. Karen McCullough said, they were

512
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: really there, They were really drunk. They kept trying to

513
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: ruined the shot, so the easy solution was to invite

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Speaker 1: them into it. Um. I was captivated by the phrase

515
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: grease frosh, so I did a little googling that is

516
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: specific to the page house at Caltech But there's another

517
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: famous greasy freshman tradition belonging to our neighbors from the north.

518
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Speaker 1: At Queen's University in Ontario, there is a tradition of

519
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: making freshman climate greased goal post supposedly stolen from the

520
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: University of Toronto while your perspective brothers pelt you with

521
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: stuff like trash and fruit and so forth. Uh. This

522
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: started in the late fifties and reached its inevitable conclusion

523
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: when several students broke ribs and came down with hypothermia

524
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: as a result of falling off of this pole and

525
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: being outside in freaking Ontario doing this. Presumably they were

526
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: also naked to some extent. All these shenanigans, I think

527
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: the hashtag for this episode should be greasy freshman, grease frost. Yeah,

528
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: that's grease frosh. Anyway, more onto college. And while we're

529
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Speaker 1: talking about college, like campus life, Jordan's yes, so shooting

530
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: on a real college campus was definitely easier than doing

531
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Speaker 1: it on a backlock, despite your errant drunk racing men

532
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: wandering into your shot. But the film is supposed to

533
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Speaker 1: take place in early fall in Boston where it's nice

534
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Speaker 1: and cool. This was Los Angeles, it was hot, and

535
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: Reese later said that she was sweating buckets in her

536
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: belted sweater with the shirt buttoned all the way up.

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00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: And then she had the opposite problem when they were

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Speaker 1: filming the scene where l gets dumped by her boyfriend Warner. Uh,

539
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: it was unusually cold that night in Los Angeles, and

540
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: they had the c G I out the air coming

541
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Speaker 1: out of her mouth, which is up there with like rotoscoping.

542
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: Neil Young's like, yeah, that sounds really tedious and really awful.

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Speaker 1: I loved when they have to fake stuff that's shot

544
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: in California in other places because what it usually entails

545
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: is people carrying bags of leaves around. In Halloween, which

546
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: is set in Illinois but shot and I think Pasadena,

547
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: they literally had like a few garbage bags of leaves

548
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: that they would scatter into shots because there's but there's

549
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: also like palm trees and the shots too, and then

550
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: they had to go around and gather them back up

551
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,239
Speaker 1: and probably so they also had to do this and

552
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: for for legally blond like, they had to paint the

553
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: tree like leaves brown and they would have people up

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Speaker 1: in the trees and dropping them as as those people

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Speaker 1: passed into the shot. I love it the movie business, folks,

556
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: where dreams Come true? That being on your IMDb wrangler?

557
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: Is that a union gig um? Okay, let's get into

558
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Speaker 1: Warner Huntington the Third, played by Matthew Davis. Yes, we

559
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: mentioned the really quite brutal breakup scene a moment ago

560
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: man Morner hunting to the Third. What a great millennial villain, Spineless, arrogant.

561
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: He dumps l because she's too much like Marilyn Monroe

562
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: and not enough like Jackie Kennedy, which is offensive for

563
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: so many reasons, not least of which Marilyn Monroe was

564
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: a brilliant, well read woman and the whole dumb blonde

565
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: thing was a character much like Jane Mansfield and Diana

566
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Speaker 1: Doris and all these famous blondes in cinema also premely

567
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Speaker 1: intelligent women. Um. I love Mary Marilyn Roe so much.

568
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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard that story? One of my favorite

569
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Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe stories. Little tangent, but I just love the

570
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: story so much. She was out walking early one morning.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard this with a friend? It was

572
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Speaker 1: early one morning, like people were just leaving to go

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Speaker 1: to work, and she was out walking with a friend

574
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Speaker 1: of hers, and no one noticed. It was Marilyn walka

575
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Speaker 1: down the street. It was the strangest thing. It was

576
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Speaker 1: just like she could kind of move around. And her

577
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: friend commented on this, and Marilyn said, do you do

578
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: you want to see her? Do you want to see Marilyn?

579
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: Her friends said yeah, And she just completely just with

580
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: minute body movements and just slightly just slight changes in

581
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: the way she carried herself all of a sudden. It

582
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: was just absolutely she was just electric. Everybody noticed her

583
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all the heads turned. She didn't

584
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: do anything, you know, very visible or obvious. It was

585
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Speaker 1: just the slightly different way she carried herself in a

586
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: slightly different energy. I always love I just thought that

587
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: was so incredible. That shows her brilliance that she could

588
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: just turn it on like that. I just think that's

589
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: so interesting. Um, really interesting. One. There was a new

590
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: documentary on Netflix called I think of something like the

591
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: Merrilyman Road Tapes or something, and just about her inner life.

592
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: It's very interesting. I always liked her. Anyway, I want

593
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Speaker 1: to clear that up. I hate I said that to her.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the advocacy, yes, um, but yes, the character

595
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Speaker 1: of Warner Huntington. The third was played by actor Matthew Davis,

596
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Speaker 1: who says he based his performance on then presidential candidate

597
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: George W. Bush. Actually, this movie was filmed in the

598
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: midst of the whole voter recount crisis. So fun times, yeah, great,

599
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: moving right along, Yeah. Matthew Davis had something of a

600
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Speaker 1: rough time on the set because he apparently had a huge,

601
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Speaker 1: long standing crush on Reese Witherspoon, like dating back to

602
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: when he was a teenager and he'd senior act in

603
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: one of her very first roles a movie called A

604
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: Far Off Place, and so this was like a deep

605
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: seated thing, and he was extremely nervous, and in his

606
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: own words, he was just a bumbling idiot on the set,

607
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: to the degree that the producers had the pull him

608
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: aside and asked him if he was all right, and

609
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: they told him to get it together, and so eventually

610
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: he could bear it no longer, and he confessed his

611
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: crush to Reese, who at the time was married to

612
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Speaker 1: Ryan Philippi, and according to Matthew Davis, her reaction to

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Speaker 1: him coming clean was cordial but professional. She was like,

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Speaker 1: that's so sweet, Okay, let's work on the scene, which

615
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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, I don't really know what I

616
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: expected to say, but yeah, we call that down bad

617
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: this guy. And then what he just he immediately redirects

618
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: all of his attention to Selma Blair. Yeah, I guess

619
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: he he immediately I guess his his rebound crush was

620
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: on his co star Selma Blair. And he said in

621
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: seventeen I developed a crush on her at the time,

622
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: but she was with someone else too. I think she

623
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: was dating the guy from Rushmore after Jason Schwartzman, but

624
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: he was coming around and I was kind of like,

625
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: who's this guy? So, yeah, Matthew Davis striking out left

626
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: and right on the set of Legally Blonde. Damn you

627
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: mentioned Ryan Phillippi. I think this is so funny. Atlanta Ubach,

628
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: who plays Serena, says that she pitched Reese the idea

629
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Speaker 1: of having Ryan Phillippi in the movie as a like

630
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Speaker 1: a Judge Judy style celebrity joke, and and she was like, yeah,

631
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Speaker 1: we can have him on billboards and you can just

632
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Speaker 1: kind of be like an Easter Areia in the film.

633
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Speaker 1: To have your husband be this celebrity judge in the

634
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Speaker 1: world of the movie, and wither Spoon replied, Alana, no

635
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Speaker 1: one's going to believe that my husband's a judge? Are

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Speaker 1: you hitting me? Reese Witherspoon just murdering people left and

637
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: right then and there. You could tell we're gonna last. Uh,

638
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: speaking of some of Blair, Some of Blair played the

639
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: role of Vivian El's rival for Warner's affections, but they

640
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: come around and end up as friends. The role was

641
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: originally offered to Chloe Savini, New York Girl Cloe Sevini.

642
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: She told The Daily Beast in that she turned down

643
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Speaker 1: the part to do a thriller called Demon Lover, which

644
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: was shooting at the same time. Folks Demon Lover Anyone.

645
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Speaker 1: She later admitted that she regretted the decision, obviously, saying

646
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Speaker 1: that she didn't realize the potential of Legally Blonde at

647
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Speaker 1: the time. I saw that you wrote this, and I

648
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: went to my Demon Lover the internet and this movie

649
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: sounds batshit. A French corporation goes head to head with

650
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: an American web media company for the rights to a

651
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: three D manga pornography studio, resulting in a power struggle

652
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Speaker 1: that culminates in violence and espionage. Also stars Gina Ger Shawn.

653
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Speaker 1: So that's Demon Lover two thousand two, the movie that

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Speaker 1: klos Amini turned down legally blonde for anyway, Reese, Witherspoon,

655
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: and some of Blair were friends after doing Cruel Intentions

656
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: together a few years back. And Rees told Entertainment Tonight

657
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: while on the set in two thousand that she lived

658
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: across the street from Blair. During filming, she said she'd

659
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: come over when I'd get locked out of the house.

660
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: She'd have my key and stuff. So we're really close

661
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: and it's been great because we get to hang out.

662
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: She's been my friend since Cruel Intentions. I would act

663
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: with her any day. I love that. I love stars

664
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Speaker 1: being friends in real life. That's my little movie treat,

665
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: just for me and many others. Speaking of movie stars,

666
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: finally we get to talk about Bruiser. Yes, you know,

667
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Speaker 1: I know you love movie starts being friends in real life.

668
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: But there's something that I know you love even more

669
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Speaker 1: than that, and that's Taco Bell. But yes, speaking of

670
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Speaker 1: els nearest and Dearest, we've got to give a shout

671
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: out to her chihuahua. Bruiser, whose real name was Mooney,

672
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: and Mooney was kind of a star. He started in

673
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Speaker 1: a music video with Share, as well as in episodes

674
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Speaker 1: of the TV show Three Sisters and Providence. But he

675
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: lived with the Taco bell dog whose name was gidgett

676
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: and he died in sixteen at the really very old

677
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Speaker 1: age of eighteen. I thought that those small dogs tend

678
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Speaker 1: to not big dogs, the ones like great dans, so

679
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: they live like eight years. Uh. Gidget voiced by Carlos

680
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: ALA's Rocky Apologies. He also voiced spyro the Dragon and

681
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: Roco in Rocco's Modern Life. The voice of the Taco,

682
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: yes is the voice of Rocko. Yes? What yep? I

683
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: didn't know that until this very moment. And Deputy car Yeah,

684
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: and Deputy Carlos from Mr Weed from Family Guy. So yeah, man,

685
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: I love doing this voice actor stuff because then you

686
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: just find out that this person has been in like

687
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: ten thousand different things. Yeah. So we mentioned a little

688
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: we nodded a little bit earlier about this film was

689
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: kind of made in Greenlit, sort of in the gross

690
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: out comedy era. I don't know how is that era

691
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: viewed today? Poorly? Memory hold? I would say, yeah, I

692
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Speaker 1: feel like people well, I don't know, maybe people talk

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Speaker 1: about it. Maybe people remember it, but yeah, it was

694
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: just that rare. Just it's a beautiful moment in time

695
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: when you could just let terrible scatological stuff. Do you're

696
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: writing for you? Yeah? So, Jessica Coffeel told The New

697
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: York Post what we now know is Legally Blonde and

698
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: what it began as are two completely different films. It

699
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: transformed from NonStop zingers that were very adult in nature

700
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: to this universal story of overcoming adversity by being oneself.

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00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: There's something for Coffeel, we'll get it. We'll touch on

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00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 1: this later. Is that she remembers there being a totally

703
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: different ending of the movie that was originally written that

704
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Speaker 1: the screens claimed never happen, And so I tend to

705
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Speaker 1: take her stories with a little bit of grain as salt.

706
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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be

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Speaker 1: right back with more too much information in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: Time to talk about it. Probably the most iconic part

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Speaker 1: of the film, which is the bend and snap. Yes,

710
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: and you know, as with the best things in the

711
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: in the world, came about one night in a bar

712
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: after work. Uh. Screenwriters Kara McCullough and Kirsten Smith, we're

713
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Speaker 1: trying to work out a b plot for the movie.

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00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: They were pitching all sorts of other crimes. You know,

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00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: it's a legal movie. Another crime would be a good idea,

716
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: like Jennifer Coolidge just store being robbed, and nothing felt

717
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: right totally. It all just felt too dark for a

718
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: movie that was, you know, really pretty light. But producers

719
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: really wanted to give Jennifer Coolidge more to do. And

720
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Speaker 1: she's Jennifer Coolide. Why wouldn't you want her to do more?

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Speaker 1: And that's when mccull opposed the immortal question. What if

722
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: l shows Paul at a move she can do to

723
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: get the ups guy and suddenly they're both on their

724
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Speaker 1: feet at this l a bar, demonstrating what would become

725
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: known far and wide as the bend and Snap. And

726
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: as Christen Smith put it, it was a spontaneous invention.

727
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: It was a completely drunken moment in a bar, and it's,

728
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: as you said, it's gone on to become one of

729
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: the most beloved scenes in the movie. But what we

730
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: now know is actually an abbreviated version of what was

731
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: supposed to be a full musical number, which I've really

732
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: fascinated by. The cast apparently spent a month working on

733
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: a whole song and dance version of this nail salon scene.

734
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: And Heigel who is a choreographed by Tony Bazel Mickey Uh,

735
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: all these sorts of movies in the sixties. But I

736
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Speaker 1: think she Tony Bezel is amazing. She Um, she's a legend.

737
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: I love her. She's she's known widely for Mickey as

738
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: like a kind of one hit wonder. But first of all,

739
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: she's in Philly. Um. Yeah, and she just did everything.

740
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: She did the Monkeys film head. She's in that, She's

741
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: in uh writer, she's an easy rider. Yeah. She choreographed

742
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: the Once in a Lifetime video for Talking Heads. So

743
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: she's worked with David Byrne, David's Burne and Bowie. She

744
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: choreographed a music video and two tours from The Dog

745
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: to Right, Diamond Dogs and Glass Spider. In eight seven,

746
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: she worked with Bette Midler. She worked with Turner. Yeah,

747
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: it's nuts, dude, American Graffiti. Peggy Sue got married that

748
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: thing you do my best friend's wedding legally blonde too,

749
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 1: It's upon a time in Hollywood. I think she did

750
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: the like hullabalue cutaway thing with Leo. Wow, she's so cool.

751
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: She's awesome. You got a Google Um, there's like a

752
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: clip of her. I think it's still comes up if

753
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: you look up, Like Tony Basil dance studio. She's like

754
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: a hundred years old and still can like do all

755
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: the like rerun pop and lock and moves, and she's

756
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: like doing it in her dance studio surrounded by a

757
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: bunch of twenty somethings. She's like, I think it has

758
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: a legit claim to being one of the pioneers of breakdancing, right, Like,

759
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: I think she worked with I forget the troop of

760
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: the organization. Was that. Okay, Yeah, she's a whole that.

761
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: She's a podcast in herself. I just think she's got

762
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: the most interesting life story. She's amazing. Yeah, we should

763
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: do that. She's one of the seven original lockers. Wow

764
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: rules Um, all right, I love that. Love that. So

765
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: somewhere there's a musical. There's a musical version of this

766
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: scene that she choreographed, and they cut it with her.

767
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: Spoon said it just felt odd because there was just

768
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: one musical sequence. But when the Legally Blonde musical came

769
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: out in two thousands seven, that number was included. So

770
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: you can see it in some form if you're going

771
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: to see that musical. Uh, Jennifer Coolidge has dis ribbed

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00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: herself as a bad dancer, and uh yeah, she had

773
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: trouble with the dance, with this dance routine that they

774
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: were learning, and um, Tony Basil got brutally honest with

775
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: her at one point she said, Jennifer, you need to

776
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: learn this dance number and do your very best, because

777
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: even if you're trying to do your very best, you

778
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: will still be the worst. Oh, I love it so much. Yeah,

779
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: there's the notion that this movie was like semi musical

780
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: is kind of interesting to me because the other thing

781
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: that this producer had done right around this time, he's

782
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: gone on to do a boatload of stuff, guy named

783
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: Mark Platt. Uh, he had done Josie and the Pussycats.

784
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: And there's a line in Legally Blonde that people have

785
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: interpreted as a wink to Josie and the Pussycats because

786
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: she says, whoever would say in Legally Blonde, she says

787
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: the line is, whoever would think orange is the new

788
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: pink must be seriously disturbed. And that is the nefarious

789
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: plot at the heart of Josie and the Pussycats. That

790
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: the corporation is trying to brainwash teenager into thinking that

791
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: orange is the new pink. So, but speaking of Jennifer Coolidge, Yeah,

792
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: my favorite part of all the Jennifer Coolidge stuff is

793
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: that she apparently loved the UPS guy for real, which

794
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: is adorable. She told The New York Post, I had

795
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: a crush on Bruce Thomas, who played the UPS man,

796
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: but he was married and had a beautiful wife and children,

797
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: so I had to shut that off. I didn't have

798
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: to act or get excited when he walked in. It

799
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: was all true to life. That is a horrible one.

800
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: Picturing her character on White Lotus, Yeah, she's really the best.

801
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: You know who's also the best. Raquel Welch higel laya

802
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: Riquel well Ch anecdote on Us So. Raquel Welch plays

803
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: the ex wife of Brooks dead husband, and Anthony Richmond,

804
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: who was the cinematographer on this film, basically said that

805
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: she came in knowing how she wanted to be lit.

806
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: She was just giving directions on how she was to

807
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: be lit in this scene. Apparently she came in with

808
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: a hat, this big black straw hat that she was like,

809
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: I need to wear this uh, And the inside of

810
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: the hat on the brim had a second layer of

811
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: white straw, so it was a two tone hat, so

812
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: that being lit from the bottom, it would reflect off

813
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: of the underside of this brim and light her face better.

814
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: She basically created what's called a bounce board to move

815
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: lighting around. You do it in professional photo shoots and films.

816
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: So if you take nothing else from Raquel Welch being

817
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: amazing the fact that she jury rigged a hat to

818
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: give her better lightning and came in and started telling

819
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: the lighting director on this film about her specific needs. Um,

820
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: we love Raquel Welch on this podcast. Continuing on, now

821
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Speaker 1: we are onto Jordan's favorite bit of the podcast, which

822
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: is pedantic pointing out of inaccuracies. Say that with love,

823
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: least favorite part of the show where I poke holes

824
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: in the script and talk all about the ways that

825
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: it stretches reality just a little bit too far. There's

826
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: a great article on insider dot com. It talks about

827
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: all the things that Legally Blonde got wrong about law

828
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: school and here are some of them. Now. Uh the

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Speaker 1: admissions video l famously records a video that she submits

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Speaker 1: to Harvard for their application process. Unfortunately, Harvard expects a

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Speaker 1: written personal statement and not a video. Apparently the real

832
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 1: Harvard Law actually plays this clip of her admissions video

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00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: at their orientation and says, you know, it's f y,

834
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Speaker 1: I this is not how we make our decisions. So

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Speaker 1: that's fun. Um the internship that l get. She gets

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Speaker 1: an internship from Professor Callahan as a freshman law student.

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Speaker 1: This is extremely unlikely. Most law schools restrict how many

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00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: hours that their first year students can work, so as

839
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Speaker 1: a result, there are very few first year of students

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Speaker 1: that can have an internship or an extern ship. I've

841
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: never heard of an extern ship, but I guess they

842
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: can't have one, so it doesn't matter. Uh. And then

843
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: finally the courtroom scene, actual law students say that there

844
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: is no way a first year law student would be

845
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Speaker 1: allowed to defend someone in a courtroom. So you know,

846
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: they said that about Joe Pesci too, and uh, he triumphed.

847
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 1: So it's just if you believe, if you believe enough.

848
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: I want to know. I want to know. I want

849
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: to see like a grim cinema verite study of like

850
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: a Joker style mentally deranged person who is like trying

851
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: to defend themselves in a lawsuit having only seen Legally Blonde,

852
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: and because any but they're like fixated, They're like, no,

853
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: I can do this. Um anyway, I own that idea. UM,

854
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: this is a verbal copyright. If anyone wants to produce that,

855
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: you have my Twitter handle. Uh So we talked about

856
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: this movie kind of getting chopped up um or changed

857
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: in the in the making. But um, the ending originally

858
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: was completely different. Um. Originally it ended on the steps

859
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 1: of the courthouse just after L won her case and

860
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: she and her love interest in the movie, Luke Wilson's Emmett.

861
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: They share a big old kiss on the steps, big

862
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: old romantic moment, and then they cut to L and

863
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: Vivian starting their own blonde legal defense club at Harvard.

864
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: But they cut the kiss because they felt an admir

865
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: I like this. They felt it undercut the whole point

866
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: of the movie. Um McCullough said at Vulture Festival in

867
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: it was just kind of a weak ending because the

868
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: movie isn't a rom com, it wasn't about their relationship.

869
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: And test audiences and laudably, test audience is usually everything

870
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: out but these, uh, these test audiences were like, hey, no,

871
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: we want to see her grow professionally and succeed on

872
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: her own terms, so they rewrote the ending to end

873
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: with the graduation scene where she's giving the keynote at

874
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: the subtitles. I love that. I love that so much.

875
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: One of the rare instances in which test audiences improved something.

876
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: I guess there was recess. Some onset photos from this

877
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: lost ending on the steps of the courthouse the kiss

878
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: that she posted on social media for one of the

879
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: anniversaries of Legally Blonde recently, so you can see glimpses

880
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: of it. But unless it's a special feature on one

881
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: of the DVDs or something, yeah, I think it's a

882
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: a lost scene. But we alluded to this earlier. There

883
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: was rumored to be another ending in this movie, that is,

884
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: if you believe the tale told by two actresses and

885
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: not the screenwriters. The actress Jessica Caufield, who plays authority

886
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: sister Margot in the film. She gave interview to The

887
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: New York Times one for their extremely thorough anniversary piece,

888
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: and in this story, she described an alternate ending to

889
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: the movie that suggested that l and Vivian were more

890
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: than friends. Uh. To quote cawfeel, the first ending was

891
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 1: Ell and Vivian in Hawaii in beach chairs, drinking Margarita's

892
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: and holding hands. The insinuation was either they were best

893
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 1: friends or they'd gotten together romantically. And another actress, Allana Ubak,

894
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: who you mentioned earlier plays Serena, claims we have seen

895
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: the same ending, but the screenwriters say that the scene

896
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: never existed. Karen McCullough told Entertainment Weekly, it made me

897
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: sad to see people mourning something that never existed and

898
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: being sad that it was taken from them. So I

899
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: want to clear it up. Don't be sad never existed.

900
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: Speaking of stuff that didn't make it into the film,

901
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: apparently they wanted to have Judge Judy in here, which

902
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: is when the aforementioned attempt to get Ryan Phillippy and

903
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: as the Judge failed. Um and yeah. So there's some

904
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: funny things that have trickled out about the like sort

905
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: of originally raunchier cut of this movie. Jessica Coffeel says

906
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: she remembers one line that got cut as Serena saying,

907
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: what's the one thing that always makes us feel better

908
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: no matter what? And the answer is kna lingus. So

909
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: that feels out of place in the finished product. But

910
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: so this is wild. A lot of this material that

911
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: was actually cut was from the actress Tane McClure, who

912
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: plays El's mom, and it's funny that all the raunchy

913
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: stuff that was cut came from her. Considering how she

914
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: got the part. The casting director for Legally Blonde is

915
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: a guy named Joseph Middleton, and he had cast her

916
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: as a stripper in the movie Go. So she said

917
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: that when she went to the Legally Blonde audition, he

918
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I recognize you. I don't know where

919
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: it's from. Oh, and she says, I'll tell you after

920
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: the audition. So she auditions, and she subsequently she tells

921
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 1: him you cast me as a stripper in this movie.

922
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: And he said, oh, good thing you told me. Afterwards,

923
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: I would not have cast you. Getting back to the

924
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: original point about the end of the movie test out,

925
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: he says didn't like the original ending, so producers had

926
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: to film a new one at the very last minute,

927
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: and I mean very last minute because the cast had

928
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: already moved on to new projects. And so this new

929
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: graduation scene where else giving the keynote address was shot

930
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: in England, where she was filming the Importance of being

931
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 1: Earnest and Funny left. Both Reese and Luke Wilson were

932
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: wigs in the scene because Reese had cut her hair

933
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: shorter to be in the movie the ports of being Earnest,

934
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: and Luke had shaved his head for the Royal ten embombs.

935
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: We previously discussed. Yeah, the line that he says, how

936
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: do you think I look with blonde hair? Has been

937
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: interpreted as a nod to Owen Wilson brother who is blonde?

938
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: Actually did I never put that together? Um? And so

939
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: you know the opening sequence of the movie when you

940
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: see l brushing her hair from the back, that woman

941
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: is a stand in because it was shot after they

942
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: shot the movie and Reese had already moved on. But

943
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: Reese had forty different hairstyles throughout the movie, which is

944
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: a new one, and almost every scene. Director Robert Luketick

945
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: referred to her ever changing hair as the hair that

946
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: eight Hollywood. She also had thirty scarves and apparently sixty outfits,

947
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: and Reese got to keep every damn one of them.

948
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: Good for her, she made out, Yes, she had it

949
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,959
Speaker 1: written into her contract that she got to keep all

950
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: sixty of El's outfits. Now, I actually I have to admit,

951
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's both legally Blonde one and

952
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: two or if that's just counting Legally Blonde one. Jamie, Jamie,

953
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: could we get the wardrobe people from Legally Blonde one

954
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: and to two? I get too, just in case, thank you.

955
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: In an interview with Hollywood dot Com, she admitted that

956
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: she obtained all this wardrobe not really for sentimental reasons before,

957
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: to keep them from being sold on eBay. She said,

958
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: it really bothers me. Imagine some sicko in Wisconsin smelling

959
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: the seams. She's not wrong, No, that's what would happen

960
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: to that. It creeps me out. So it's all of

961
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: my closet and one day my daughter can play with it.

962
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, I said she had got all the outfits

963
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: from the sequel Legally Blonde two, Red, White, and Blonde

964
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand three. And she says that all of

965
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 1: the l Woods outfits are on a special stories unit.

966
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 1: And this is her quote, finally preserved between tissue paper

967
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: to quote Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones. It belongs in

968
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: the museum and I'm glad this is the next best thing.

969
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: But she guess busted out some of the outfits in

970
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: for the movies fifteenth anniversary when she threw a little

971
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: Elwoods fashion show on social media and got to try

972
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: some of those outfits on and we all got to

973
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: see them, which was great. Yeah, and speaking of other

974
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: heartwarming things that came out of this movie, the influence

975
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: of this film is, you know, I would I would

976
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: describe it as incalculable. Incalculable, I still, okay, I feel

977
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: like that's the office. I would describe the influence as

978
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: this of this film as far reaching. I would describe

979
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: the influence of this film as inescapable. I would describe

980
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: the influence of this film as lugubrious. Sorry, I'm really

981
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 1: just making these bad. I like trying to make Jordan

982
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: laugh and I ruined his day when he has to

983
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: edit them later. Just me riffing poorly. So yeah, the

984
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: influence of Legally Blonde lives on in the hearts of

985
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: the many women who were inspired to apply to law

986
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: school thanks on the film and anyone trying to, you know,

987
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: move past the stereotypes of the blonde, or of any

988
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: stereotypes really the wealthy, wealthy white women, I guess, but

989
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: in an interview on The Today Show, said that she

990
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: still loves that character and will always be special to

991
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: her because she said, quote, I've had more young women

992
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: come up to me and say I went to law

993
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: school because of l Woods. It's very incredible to see

994
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: how long movies can last and how important they can

995
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: be to young people generation after generation. So that same year,

996
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: there's a reporter named Lucy Ford who was interviewing Reese,

997
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: Mindy Kalin and Oprah Winfrey and Oprah Winfrey if we

998
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: should have put her first? Everyone comes after Oprah. She

999
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: was interviewed them at a press junkid for a Wrinkle

1000
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: in Time, which um but in the middle of this interview,

1001
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: she gave Witherspoon a copy of a fifteen thousand word

1002
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: dissertation that she wrote on Legally Blonde, titled Legally Blonde

1003
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: post Feminism and the Reimagination of the Strong Female Character.

1004
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: And this reporter Lucy Ford told Reese that she watched

1005
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: the movie about eight hundred times while writing this paper,

1006
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: and it's such a delightful clip. Rees's visibly moved and

1007
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: she says, thank you. That really touches my heart as

1008
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: it should. That's bananas, but it gets even better. So

1009
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: this film has obviously made a difference in so many

1010
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: people's lives, but it also may very well have saved

1011
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: a life. That's what one viewer says, at least. Screenwriter

1012
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: Karen McCullough told Entertainment Weekly that she received an email

1013
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: from a man who was quote really depressed and was

1014
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: about to hurt himself when a friend called and asked

1015
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: him to go dancing. He initially didn't want to go

1016
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: and said no, but then after he hung up the phone,

1017
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: he remembered the line from Legally Blonde, exercise gives you endorphins.

1018
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: Endorphins make you happy. So we called the friend back,

1019
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: went dancing, had a great time, his mood improved, and

1020
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: he wrote the screenwriter a note saying that line saved

1021
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: my life. And the writers had no idea the impact

1022
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: that you know, this movie or that line would end

1023
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: up having. And the writer Karen McCullough says, what an

1024
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: offhand line to end up being so meaningful to someone.

1025
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: That blew my mind. I thought, that's very Nay, it's

1026
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: a nice a nice note to end on for this. Incredibly,

1027
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: this is a very wholesome episode. Uh Um, this movie,

1028
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: it saves lives, but it's also responsible for putting more

1029
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: lawyers into the world, so we'll call it a draw.

1030
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: We made Yeah, we made it this far without making

1031
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: a lawyer joke. Oh man, I've just been looking up

1032
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: sequel names to do riffs on UM. I like too blonde,

1033
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: too furious, that's good, that's um yeah, and on a

1034
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: lawyer joke. That is all I got. What else can

1035
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: you say about this really sweet, really pure, really positive,

1036
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,959
Speaker 1: really warm film. Can't wait for the third one to come,

1037
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: hopefully sooner rather than later, But you can't rush perfection

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00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: until next time. I'm Jordan runt Tug and I'm Alex Hegel.

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00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,960
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1041
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Speaker 1: are Noel Brown and Jordan run Talk. The supervising producer

1042
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1043
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