Speaker 1: What's that a.
Speaker 2: Band?
Speaker 3: It's spooky and joy I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's
Speaker 3: coming this way.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I said.
Speaker 4: Tyros Dress, Hey Bill, it's me Roz. I got to
Speaker 4: talk to Patty Shemmel. If you don't know who Patty
Speaker 4: Shemel is, you know the band Whole one of the
Speaker 4: biggest rock bands of the nineties, Courtney Love. I mean,
Speaker 4: Patty is major. Patty has had quite the life. She's
Speaker 4: got a book about her life that she wrote. There's
Speaker 4: an incredible documentary about her life.
Speaker 3: It's a story of redemn She has toured the.
Speaker 4: World hotie, she has played for thousands and thousands of people.
Speaker 3: She has seen some shit and she's hilarious. And so
Speaker 3: we talk.
Speaker 4: We pretty much stay on topic. I would say we
Speaker 4: definitely talk paranormal and stuff similar to that. I had
Speaker 4: a great time talking to Patty and I hope you
Speaker 4: enjoy it. I also have a Patreon every week full
Speaker 4: length episode of me learning about paranormal stuff. Last week
Speaker 4: I learned about the bell Witch, which is a real
Speaker 4: spooky story and I had a good time learning about it.
Speaker 4: So you can check that out. The link is in
Speaker 4: the description of this episode. And I think that's about
Speaker 4: it for me up here at the top. I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna hand it on over to my really fun conversation
Speaker 4: with Patty's.
Speaker 3: On with the show.
Speaker 5: You guys.
Speaker 3: I'm joined by Patti Shamble. Hello, I I'm good.
Speaker 6: I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1: I have to say no the podcast of you.
Speaker 6: One of my favorite things when.
Speaker 1: I need a little pick me up is to look
Speaker 1: at that one instagram of you doing the who am I?
Speaker 6: I think the character is like a The character.
Speaker 1: Is you know, a tiro reader.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know what.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's on my Instagram. It's good, thank you, it's well.
Speaker 4: It was inspired by our mutual friend of our Sam Pancake.
Speaker 4: The two of us one time we went to Palm
Speaker 4: Springs and we were like, well, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 4: We have like we have a house in Palm Springs
Speaker 4: and we're stuck with each other. We got to find
Speaker 4: something fun to do, so we went to like Target
Speaker 4: or Walmart or something. We're like, let's get a game.
Speaker 4: We got Guess who, and then we turned it into
Speaker 4: this thing where we were just explaining in the most
Speaker 4: specific ways how each person looks. And then I just
Speaker 4: came to me like, oh, I should pretend that they're
Speaker 4: like tarot cards.
Speaker 1: It was so good.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Oh my god, I'm honored. I'm such a
Speaker 3: fan of you.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: And now we're meeting for the first time, and I'm
Speaker 4: a little bit star struck.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of friends in common.
Speaker 3: Yes we do, and you it's weird.
Speaker 4: I don't have a lot of musicians on the show,
Speaker 4: and I don't I guess I just don't know a
Speaker 4: lot of musicians. I don't know, but I'm honored to
Speaker 4: have one. How do you feel about the term rock star?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's weird just because it's uncomfortable to be
Speaker 6: a rock star.
Speaker 1: It just seems so so much bigger, and you know,
Speaker 1: like to me, like Debbie Harry is a rock star
Speaker 1: or like much bigger, amazing people.
Speaker 3: What do you mean?
Speaker 4: How would that not put you in the category of rockstar?
Speaker 4: Very one of the most iconic rock bands.
Speaker 6: Thank you?
Speaker 3: Like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're uncomfortable, if you don't identify as
Speaker 4: a rock star, I won't call you one back.
Speaker 6: And that's okay.
Speaker 1: You can.
Speaker 4: I get to talk to a rock star about ghosts today.
Speaker 4: What do you think about ghosts?
Speaker 3: Or paranormal in general. Where are you at with that?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Well, I've always been sort of very supportive of friends
Speaker 1: that do you know, sort of have a connection with
Speaker 1: your normal you know, with have stories about like there's
Speaker 1: always that one friend that's like, oh, you know, I
Speaker 1: have an extra sense for that, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: roll my eyes about that. And then there's always like
Speaker 1: that friend that comes into a room and goes, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, feel something, you know, like there's some cold
Speaker 1: wind through the room or and you know, like that
Speaker 1: was always like Melissa in my band hole, she had
Speaker 1: some kind of connection. Always she's like would she had
Speaker 1: this sort of a maybe I don't know what you'd
Speaker 1: call it, like spiritual witchy vibe, and she believes that
Speaker 1: you know, others from different planes and different spaces.
Speaker 6: Talk to us and.
Speaker 1: And to like, you know, open your mind to that,
Speaker 1: which I did for a while like kind of like
Speaker 1: follow her lead, and and it was interesting, right, I
Speaker 1: mean really you could have a much more fantastical life
Speaker 1: that way, you know, Like there was what we would
Speaker 1: go There was one particular moment we were in New
Speaker 1: Orleans and it was like nineteen ninety five, but like
Speaker 1: the just we went to New Orleans to do a
Speaker 1: bunch of like to start writing songs for the next record,
Speaker 1: which was gonna be which became Celebrity Skin. And we
Speaker 1: were at this uh we were staying on you know,
Speaker 1: Magazine Street or something, and we had this like house
Speaker 1: that had many rooms and we're all staying there, and well,
Speaker 1: Asso would build this happiness there. You know, it's New Orleans.
Speaker 1: It's very ghosty to talk about that, and like, and
Speaker 1: it was Courtney wanted to go because Trent Resner was
Speaker 1: there a lot and that was like her draw was
Speaker 1: like maybe we'll run in his Trent on the street
Speaker 1: and like, I don't think so really, But so we
Speaker 1: stayed in this house and then we would We were
Speaker 1: recording at this Masonic temple, which this building that was
Speaker 1: an old Masonic temple and and the Masons have a
Speaker 1: whole history of you know, like their secret rituals and
Speaker 1: secret society and and that was interesting. And I apparently
Speaker 1: they they have when they build or where their locations
Speaker 1: or their like headquarters or their lodge or whatever, it's always.
Speaker 6: Somehow symmetrical.
Speaker 1: Like the number was we were on like third Street
Speaker 1: or where three three three. Saint Charles on the third
Speaker 1: floor of a building. So it was like that, you know,
Speaker 1: and and so there was always these connect there is connections.
Speaker 1: So inside this room that we were recording at was
Speaker 1: just a giant space with like cement wells, with all
Speaker 1: this sort.
Speaker 6: Of Egyptian painting on the wall.
Speaker 1: And we just set up in there, and I've never
Speaker 1: had a better drum sound, I feel like ever.
Speaker 6: I loved that room. It was like maybe that's what
Speaker 6: it was like. There was so much history and there
Speaker 6: was plenty.
Speaker 1: Of you know, spirits floating around in that world and
Speaker 1: in that inside that little Masonic temple. And so there
Speaker 1: was a rumor about that it was an old hotel,
Speaker 1: and Melissa was like very like her ears proved up.
Speaker 6: And the guy that was.
Speaker 1: Producing or like doing our demos with us said, well,
Speaker 1: it's it was an old motel and there was a
Speaker 1: hotel and there was a swimming pool in the basement
Speaker 1: and a little boy drowned there. Uh and and sometimes
Speaker 1: he comes around and he'll just take things. That's always
Speaker 1: the trickster ghost, the tricks, you know, they'll take things
Speaker 1: and hide them and move them around. And like it
Speaker 1: didn't really happen to me, but one time we walked in,
Speaker 1: Me and Alissa walked in and this will date us.
Speaker 1: Like there was a telephone book, like a thick telephone
Speaker 1: book had been thrown on the floor, and Melissa was like,
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's not a big.
Speaker 3: But she jumped I'm a little boy from the pool.
Speaker 1: So the boy did it, Yeah, the little boy.
Speaker 6: And I was like, why first of all did he choose.
Speaker 5: The throw on the floor.
Speaker 1: So she was like, it's that boy, and I feel
Speaker 1: him here.
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit that See.
Speaker 4: I think that if you and I ever went to
Speaker 4: an old building together, you would roll your eyes, because
Speaker 4: I mean, I've gotten better at it the more that
Speaker 4: I've talked to people over the years on this podcast.
Speaker 3: But I am the kind of person that's like, there's
Speaker 3: something here. I feel it.
Speaker 1: H huh.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a little bit more on the.
Speaker 1: I love to like get carried away in a story
Speaker 1: and like like and consider it like I'm open, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know it's like but then there's like what
Speaker 1: I've been jested about lately and I can't stop is
Speaker 1: Sylvia Brown? Do you know? Yeah? The psychic Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's this one account that has a lot on Instagram
Speaker 1: that has a lot of just Sylvia Brown clips on
Speaker 1: montel and her there's one like she just like it's
Speaker 1: such like she'll just you can see her mind. She's
Speaker 1: got she just like will just make stuff up like
Speaker 1: really quickly. And well maybe she does, you know, she's
Speaker 1: maybe she does speak to people on the other side.
Speaker 1: But there's a like a moment where one person, this
Speaker 1: woman stood up and said to Sylvia in this clip,
Speaker 1: my father passed away and I just I miss him.
Speaker 1: And some you know, there's a little you know, hummingbird
Speaker 1: that comes by my window sometimes and I think, and
Speaker 1: Sylvia just interrupts and goes, water, he died in water,
Speaker 1: you know, because her voices is like layer and he
Speaker 1: says she says, it's water he died, and she goes, well,
Speaker 1: he died it it was nine eleven. He died at
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. She's like, right, the sprinklers came down.
Speaker 1: That was And it's continuously these kind of you know,
Speaker 1: like how she weaves in things and people ask things
Speaker 1: and then she'll just say, like, I mean, it's almost
Speaker 1: like it's shocking. She'll go, you know, like I want
Speaker 1: to like a woman would would say, you know, I
Speaker 1: want to know how my father died or whatever.
Speaker 6: She goes he hung himself, sweetheart.
Speaker 4: You see, I imagine it would be so hard if
Speaker 4: you're writing books and you're on Mantel and you're doing
Speaker 4: you know, you're getting known as the psychic.
Speaker 3: You have to keep that up.
Speaker 4: And I just always have the hardest time believing that that,
Speaker 4: Like you have to at some point be making it out,
Speaker 4: like I'm really supposed to believe that. Every time Sylvia
Speaker 4: Brown calls up every single dead person they answer, There's
Speaker 4: no way why would they answer. They're gonna go, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be on TV. Let me let me talk
Speaker 4: to Sylvia, like, come on, No. And I believe in
Speaker 4: this stuff, but I just I do think it's good
Speaker 4: to be skeptical as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And there's some people.
Speaker 2: That I just feel are connected, like you know that
Speaker 2: you know, there are friends I know that do.
Speaker 6: Readings and I they have a gift.
Speaker 1: I truly believe it. Like Marcella a friend, Marcella, she
Speaker 1: has a gift. I believe that she when she does
Speaker 1: taro and when you know that conversation, there's there's something there,
Speaker 1: you know that I believe that. And and then there's
Speaker 1: people like Sylvia Brown. I mean they're not even on
Speaker 1: the same in the same realm uh huh.
Speaker 3: Have you been to a psychic?
Speaker 4: Like have you ever officially like made an appointment or
Speaker 4: done that kind of thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was one that in when Paul was touring.
Speaker 1: We went to Australia and Melissa loves a psychic, right,
Speaker 1: and so does port Me loves a psychic.
Speaker 6: I think she was like, you know, this is Madonna's psyche.
Speaker 4: We have to go you know.
Speaker 1: Something like that and go to this house.
Speaker 3: And like, first we.
Speaker 1: Didn't I didn't want to say anything about who I
Speaker 1: was anything. You know, when Melissa says down she gets
Speaker 1: reading and she comes out, she's like, you know, and
Speaker 1: then I go in and I sit down and like pieces,
Speaker 1: so I'm feeling that, you know, you're well he has
Speaker 1: an Australian accent. I will not do that. I can't
Speaker 1: do it. So and he said you are.
Speaker 6: You assist people? Uh that are you know, entertainers And
Speaker 6: I was like, no, I'm not the assistant.
Speaker 2: It was like all the stuff that was not even
Speaker 2: you know, like there's a way that you can.
Speaker 1: I think that if like with psychics that that they'll
Speaker 1: sort of be a bit general so that you'll kind
Speaker 1: of like connect if you need to and want to,
Speaker 1: that you can connect with them and and then go
Speaker 1: that's right, you know, like you know, sometimes they'll I
Speaker 1: think there was a situation where a psychic said to Melissa,
Speaker 1: you're pregnant, and and she wasn't, but I you know,
Speaker 1: Melissa interpreted as pregnant with a creation that was she
Speaker 1: was about to you know, present to the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bring birth to something thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I The last one that I went to was literally,
Speaker 4: i mean didn't exactly say this, but was essentially like,
Speaker 4: you're the kind of person that likes to sleep at
Speaker 4: night and you like to wake up and eat breakfast,
Speaker 4: and and you you also you like air and.
Speaker 3: You use bathrooms, and.
Speaker 4: Like it was like so general, yeah, like I'm supposed
Speaker 4: to go, oh my god, you know that like what's.
Speaker 6: His name, James Van Prague.
Speaker 1: That him the guy like there's a general way of going,
Speaker 1: you know, he'll go I'm feeling like there's a thing
Speaker 1: where he'll put his hand and head, close his eyes
Speaker 1: and I'm feeling someone here.
Speaker 6: Jerry Jerry, Johnny Jenny Jenny Joey, you know, and so well,
Speaker 6: but that's me, you know, in the audience.
Speaker 1: And then he'll go, there's someone in your life that's sent.
Speaker 6: It, you know, And then they're like, yes, yes, how
Speaker 6: did you know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I wanted to hear about you were telling
Speaker 4: me that you have this story about a haunted closet.
Speaker 1: Yes, what is that that is about? There's a house
Speaker 1: in Silver Lake that I lived in for many years,
Speaker 1: and in it there was always there was a big
Speaker 1: house and there's always lesbians in it. There's like like
Speaker 1: just like a always lesbians and like maximums six seven
Speaker 1: living there and always rotating, and big people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know your house because there's always big lesbian.
Speaker 6: Ragers you know.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, and you know, you know, I want to
Speaker 3: kicker you're.
Speaker 6: Something like that. So and eventually like, okay, this house is.
Speaker 1: Is once once owned by Fatty R and it's he
Speaker 1: lived there in the Silent film era and.
Speaker 6: It's the house was built like.
Speaker 1: In you know, like nineteen o two some crazy time,
Speaker 1: and so it's beautiful and everything's like old and stained glass.
Speaker 6: Original wood floors and like a weird sort.
Speaker 1: Of like inside that one the closet that I will
Speaker 1: tell you more about in a moment. There's like a
Speaker 1: little door and you can go into a crawl space.
Speaker 3: Oohoo, some shady went on in there.
Speaker 4: Yes, Well, if anyone doesn't know Fatty art Buckle, do
Speaker 4: you know the story of Fatty art Buckle. Yes, it
Speaker 4: was like original cancel culture kind of a thing. It's
Speaker 4: I mean, it seems like I mean, it was the
Speaker 4: first big scandal they say in early Hollywood nineteen twenties.
Speaker 4: But it's one of these things where like stuff happened
Speaker 4: behind closed doors. A woman died at a party that
Speaker 4: he had. She died of a bladder problem. It was
Speaker 4: alleged by the press that he crushed her while raping
Speaker 4: her and crushed her bladder.
Speaker 3: It was never proven that that's.
Speaker 4: Exactly what happened, but he was no longer able to
Speaker 4: ever work after being one of the biggest stars in
Speaker 4: Hollywood and ended up with a real sad life. He
Speaker 4: died it I think like forty six. Can you tell
Speaker 4: I googled all this earlier and he he was Actually
Speaker 4: this is where it's like a really sad Hollywood story.
Speaker 4: He was offered.
Speaker 3: Finally like his big comeback and he died that day.
Speaker 4: Warner Brothers gave him a contract after all these years
Speaker 4: of like paying off his lawyer fees and being completely
Speaker 4: blacklisted and nobody would ever hire him again.
Speaker 3: And then he died.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't know that that's real.
Speaker 3: Sad him. Oh you know another okay, one of my
Speaker 3: dream guests was Louie Anderson. Uh dream.
Speaker 4: I never got to have him, but it was a
Speaker 4: dream to have Louie Anderson on this podcast. I love
Speaker 4: Louis Rest in Peace the movie or the TV show Baskets.
Speaker 4: He's incredible on anyway. He he said in an interview
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago that he went to a
Speaker 4: psychic early on in his career, and she said that
Speaker 4: he was in a in his in a previous life,
Speaker 4: he was a big movie star that was uh, that
Speaker 4: died and came back into this body to right his wrongs.
Speaker 4: He was like some big comedy movie star whatever. And
Speaker 4: so he interpreted it as being that he was Fatty Arbuckle.
Speaker 4: So he like did some googling and he realized that
Speaker 4: he was born on the same day as Fatty Arbuckle.
Speaker 4: And he looked, in his words, a lot like Fatty Arbuckle,
Speaker 4: so he believed that he was Fatty art Buckle coming
Speaker 4: back to right his wrongs.
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 4: That is Oh my god, any and his dream must
Speaker 4: have lam in a movie and it never got to happen.
Speaker 1: I remember, like one of my favorite jokes is him
Speaker 1: saying there was this cookie brand called almost Home, and
Speaker 1: he'd go almost Home almost out of the store.
Speaker 6: I love him.
Speaker 3: Okay, So back to your story about the.
Speaker 1: House. So this the and apparently across the street, like
Speaker 1: Kitty Corner was Mary Pickford's house was like the house
Speaker 1: she was in, and then down the street was the
Speaker 1: Max Senette Studio, which it's on that it's that weird
Speaker 1: building that's like, well, it's not weird, it's just it's
Speaker 1: kind of like off Fountain and everybody was the Max
Speaker 1: Senet Stages in Silver Lake. It's kind of the there's
Speaker 1: so much like early you know, film lore about that
Speaker 1: whole area.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as Los Felis Silver Lake. If anyone listening doesn't
Speaker 4: know what we're talking about, it's like a part of
Speaker 4: La like East Hollywood essentially, and it's the cool place
Speaker 4: to live and a lot of Hollywood, early Hollywood, silent
Speaker 4: film history there.
Speaker 1: This house has the closet upstairs. Well, we would have
Speaker 1: a friend come and tattoo the whole house. Right, He
Speaker 1: come down from like Monterey and bring his wife and
Speaker 1: stay at our house and then tattoo everybody and then
Speaker 1: call it like home base. And then everybody would come
Speaker 1: by and pay him and he just do a whole
Speaker 1: run of weekend of tattooing.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So, and he's the one that's for responsible for that
Speaker 1: ben Affleck tattoo.
Speaker 6: If you know what I'm talking. Just go look at
Speaker 6: ben Affleck tattoo.
Speaker 1: Friends, it's a back tattoo. Okay. Anyway, well this tattoo guy,
Speaker 1: so Okay, So his girlfriend was staying upstairs and.
Speaker 6: At night.
Speaker 1: He'd be like up with us tattooing, and then she'd
Speaker 1: come running downstairs. And she came run downstairs and she
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, Journey, there's something going on
Speaker 1: with the closet upstairs. There's something in that closet.
Speaker 6: I can feel it.
Speaker 1: And she was like she could feel things, but the
Speaker 1: door would creak open a lot, and I she said
Speaker 1: she saw something in the closet.
Speaker 6: And the closet isn't big, it's a small closet. So
Speaker 6: it's not like Fatty's ghost.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it could be. She said she saw
Speaker 1: like that, like.
Speaker 6: A like a white sort of.
Speaker 1: Woman with like long you know, like a long silky dress,
Speaker 1: you know, in the you know, just an image and
Speaker 1: Fatty did drag.
Speaker 4: There's a couple I've seen pictures online. Fatty was doing
Speaker 4: some drag in.
Speaker 3: The mood in the movies.
Speaker 6: Could possibly.
Speaker 3: The sentence.
Speaker 5: Drag.
Speaker 1: But I you know what I felt there, and I
Speaker 1: never felt and other people would say, oh, because when
Speaker 1: the people would come over, they would say, oh, there's
Speaker 1: some like oh, it's such a beautiful house. Tell me
Speaker 1: about it, you know, like, oh, the the closet upstairs
Speaker 1: is haunted, and it's just not haunted.
Speaker 6: I mean I never felt it was. And then the
Speaker 6: last person that lived.
Speaker 1: Up there used that closage for her cat's litter box,
Speaker 1: and so the whole floor of the closet was the
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 7: She slid that litter box in, so, you know, and
Speaker 7: there was never a ghost after that, but there was
Speaker 7: always like people wanting to like get drunk and go
Speaker 7: in the like little secret passageways and stuff, and.
Speaker 1: Really there, that's that's the whole story. Basically there was so.
Speaker 4: Much early shady stuff going on in Hollywood, especially over there.
Speaker 4: I mean there's that house over there, there's the well,
Speaker 4: there's the house that they call the Jaws House, that
Speaker 4: where they they believe the Black Dahlia.
Speaker 3: Was murdered in the basement.
Speaker 4: I mean there's just like yeah, because the guy was
Speaker 4: a doctor that like would do illegal doctor stuff in
Speaker 4: the basement, and like there was just like a lot
Speaker 4: going on at that. There's the Low Speedless Murder House,
Speaker 4: which is over there too.
Speaker 3: Do you know about that one? Yeah, there's like there's
Speaker 3: was it well, there's that one, the LaBianca Murder. No,
Speaker 3: there's the murder House.
Speaker 6: Oh from I think.
Speaker 1: Was it What year was the murder House.
Speaker 3: I think that was more like fifties.
Speaker 4: That was this dentist killed his wife and I believe
Speaker 4: attempted to kill his children, and then the house set
Speaker 4: dormant for like years, and people used to like go
Speaker 4: and like sneak in or like look at look in
Speaker 4: the windows and see all the old decorations that were
Speaker 4: left behind.
Speaker 3: And and then it recently was up for sale. It
Speaker 3: might still be up for sale.
Speaker 4: It's like it's real hard to sell a house that's
Speaker 4: literally called the Loew's feelis Murder Mansion. But yeah, it's
Speaker 4: like a real spooky, real story. But wait, were you
Speaker 4: gonna say something about Trent Reznor?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trent Resner lived in one of the manson I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's lob Yanka House.
Speaker 3: No, it was the Sharon's Haite House when he was
Speaker 3: recording an hell.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: So you never really encountered this ghost, or did you?
Speaker 1: I never saw the ghost, but a lot of people
Speaker 1: would say that they felt some spirits in some closet.
Speaker 3: Fatty did drag.
Speaker 4: Title of episode, Well, I was thinking maybe we could
Speaker 4: do a fun little thing where uh and I was
Speaker 4: thinking about this because we do this every episode. I
Speaker 4: don't know what I'm saying right now where we listen
Speaker 4: to ghost voices? Are you down to hear some ghost voices?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Okay, time for EVP or ev please have you heard
Speaker 3: of an EVP?
Speaker 4: EVP is electronic voice phenomenal. So it's when ghost hunters
Speaker 4: or anyone really believes that they've captured audio of a
Speaker 4: ghost speaking. And so I go to YouTube and I
Speaker 4: look for alleged EVPs and I have my guests guess
Speaker 4: what the ghost hunter believes the ghost is saying, so
Speaker 4: I'll play it first. I'll let you make a guess,
Speaker 4: and then I'll give you some options. All right, first one.
Speaker 4: This was posted by gas Paranormal and it is at
Speaker 4: the Burlington County Prison Museum, not to be confused with
Speaker 4: the Burlington Coat Factory, the Burlington County Prison Museum, which
Speaker 4: is in Mount Holly, New Jersey. And you will hear
Speaker 4: the investigator speaking during it. They say, you'll hear a
Speaker 4: person saying okay, have a seat, But then there's like
Speaker 4: a ghost speaking underneath and in between the words.
Speaker 3: So okay, what is this ghost saying?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: Do you hear that like creepy voice in the background?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can you play it again? Is that weird? Do you
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 3: Of course? I played as much as you want.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 8: It's saying yes, yes, yes, gorge like gorge, yes, gorge.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's gorge.
Speaker 4: It's either like a drag queen or like a beauty
Speaker 4: influencer or something.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny because one of the options is similar
Speaker 4: to that. Is it a uh, who's that message for George?
Speaker 3: Okay? Somebody else for George? Is it b who wants
Speaker 3: a massage. They're free. That's creepy, is it? C? What
Speaker 3: am I gonna do? Enjoy it?
Speaker 2: Or D?
Speaker 3: You're gonna like the way you look? I guarantee it. Okay, let's.
Speaker 1: Like the Men's.
Speaker 4: Got is it the ghost of the Men's Warehouse suit
Speaker 4: guy at the Burlington County Prison Museum code Factory?
Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna play it again. Wait, let me
Speaker 3: do it again?
Speaker 6: Yes, George, that's.
Speaker 1: It, that's what I heard. Ye.
Speaker 3: Do they believe that it's a who's that message for? George?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: See, okay, now let me know that. Let's hear it again.
Speaker 3: I hear it.
Speaker 1: I do. I don't hear all the words at the top. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't hear who's that message?
Speaker 3: Who's that message for? George? Well? Here's one more.
Speaker 4: This one was posted by Joseph Fontaine and it is
Speaker 4: at the wood Lawn Cemetery in Attleboro, Massachusetts.
Speaker 3: What is it saying? It's a creepier different kind of voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 3: Do you hear that? Okay?
Speaker 6: Not yet?
Speaker 1: Comedyah, that's what I heard.
Speaker 4: It could be an Olympic watcher. Uh, that is not
Speaker 4: one of the options I have here, but hey, it
Speaker 4: could be nobody knows. You know, this person's just making
Speaker 4: a guess. But is it a taco with eggplant? Which
Speaker 4: I don't know what that that either? That sounds like
Speaker 4: a discusting thing to eat or a disgusting thing to
Speaker 4: be texted with emojis?
Speaker 3: Uh B, I thought I was taken. C talk with
Speaker 3: me again or D talk to Clay again. Okay, here
Speaker 3: we go.
Speaker 1: It's it's talked to me again?
Speaker 3: Right, yes, talk with me again. I hear talk go
Speaker 3: with egg plants.
Speaker 6: I heard taco a little bit too clear.
Speaker 3: Taco me, egg plants. That's it, which makes sense.
Speaker 6: It's a very logical.
Speaker 3: Huh again, Taco me again. I'll take another talk.
Speaker 4: Oh sure, okay, let's do another thing. I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: tell I'm just gonna say a bunch of unexplainable things whatever, paranormal, supernatural,
Speaker 4: and I want to hear your thoughts. Maybe it'll bring
Speaker 4: up a story for you or I don't know, just whatever.
Speaker 4: We'll see what happens. What do you think about bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Love love love and grew up in the Pacific Northwest?
Speaker 3: Right, So.
Speaker 1: When me and some friends and actually the guys in
Speaker 1: the Screaming Trees, another band from Seattle would go out
Speaker 1: on squatch watches and you go out into the woods
Speaker 1: and you bring beer and you just sit quietly and
Speaker 1: do a squatch watch and just kind of look for sasquatch.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a sasquatch, but they say that they
Speaker 1: smell really bad.
Speaker 6: And like who came up with that?
Speaker 1: Like like how how?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 6: I mean, there's there's only I mean.
Speaker 4: That's why they stay away. They're they're conscious, you know,
Speaker 4: there's self concer They're like, oh well every time we
Speaker 4: try to say hi, people are like, eh, you smell,
Speaker 4: so you know what. Never mind, I'm just gonna hide.
Speaker 4: You're never gonna see me.
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, And I just I mean, there's that that
Speaker 1: footage that it's like the zep Rooter footage, but it's not.
Speaker 6: It's it's it's like that you know that the guy
Speaker 6: that has that one footage.
Speaker 3: Of the yeah, the famous one, Yeah, the Patterson Gimlin
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 1: That they're saying like like you haven't you seen like
Speaker 1: those in search of shows where they talk about how
Speaker 1: this couldn't have been you know, they couldn't have made
Speaker 1: this up because you know, and they'll like get out
Speaker 1: and do like the math figure out that this is
Speaker 1: real footage of a big foot, and you know we
Speaker 1: have the the foot they would go out and pour.
Speaker 1: You know, you've seen those.
Speaker 6: Feet, the big foot feet. You ever seen them?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Like I'm gonna just I'm all in big footage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm all in and I'm not skeptical believe that it's
Speaker 1: a there's bigfoot.
Speaker 4: When you were growing up in the Pacific Northwest, did
Speaker 4: you ever have any ghost experiences or know of any
Speaker 4: local urban legend ye type places.
Speaker 1: Well, it was you know, Green River was always scary,
Speaker 1: the green You know that it's the home of the
Speaker 1: Green River Killer, and that was scary. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of serial killers from there, so that I actually but
Speaker 1: you know, as a kid, you don't really know what's
Speaker 1: going on. And but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember that, Like it took a long time
Speaker 6: for that to like, I'm no, but I do. I
Speaker 6: do remember.
Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 6: But I do remember as a kid getting.
Speaker 1: This forty five of a song and I forget exactly
Speaker 1: a love roller coaster.
Speaker 6: Oh yes, and there's the myth about about this, like.
Speaker 1: Somebody told me that in the song you can hear
Speaker 1: a girl screaming, and and I was like, what, yes,
Speaker 1: she was being stabbed outside the recording studio when when
Speaker 1: we're recording the song, and I was like, oh my gone,
Speaker 1: and listening to it over and over and over again
Speaker 1: and hearing that, you know, and actually, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a song about a roller.
Speaker 6: I'm sure there's someone screaming. But there was all those kind.
Speaker 1: Of like scariness about songs like like Kiss, one of
Speaker 1: my favorite bands, you know, they were all nights and
Speaker 1: Satan Service.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a Stairway to Heaven backwards.
Speaker 1: It's like scary, right, Like all those music like scary
Speaker 1: music things were just like yeah, we're like I like
Speaker 1: to get scared with that stuff like get out a
Speaker 1: record and play it backwards and go or like Judas Priest,
Speaker 1: you know, they think, you know, you know, Satan is
Speaker 1: my you know God or whatever. There was all those
Speaker 1: and then that whole the whole Satan thing in the
Speaker 1: like late seventies early eighties where you know, kids were
Speaker 1: being you know, told that they couldn't listen to heavy
Speaker 1: metal because that's what you know, the it's the devil's music,
Speaker 1: and kids were gonna like become obsessed and start killing
Speaker 1: other kids that was in loved it.
Speaker 4: Did you ever think about putting like any kind of
Speaker 4: secret subliminal messages in any of your music.
Speaker 3: No, but I love that.
Speaker 1: Like there's like I forget exactly there's there's certain records
Speaker 1: if you look at the vinyl, sometimes etched inside the
Speaker 1: vinyl right near where the label is, there's like messages,
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, hope you like listening or whatever.
Speaker 1: Those kind of things I loved. And then like there
Speaker 1: was always like a secret track on a CD that
Speaker 1: wasn't very ghostly though, that wasn't ghostly at all.
Speaker 4: That was more you know, the love rollercoaster thing. I
Speaker 4: have listened to late at night and it scares me
Speaker 4: so much, and I know that it's not real. It's
Speaker 4: been debunks, but and like there's the story that, yeah,
Speaker 4: the lady that's on the cover of the album, they
Speaker 4: said just happened to be in the recording studio that
Speaker 4: day and she was stabbed. That or I think the
Speaker 4: other one is that in the picture she has like
Speaker 4: a bunch of honey on her or something like that,
Speaker 4: and it's like it melted her skin or something like that.
Speaker 4: She's screaming right when they were recording, and they never
Speaker 4: thought to take it.
Speaker 1: How can you you're a screaming lady, you know, outside
Speaker 1: the studio.
Speaker 4: But there's also something about like dark side of the
Speaker 4: Moon during Wizard of Oz, like that is.
Speaker 3: Like creepy to me.
Speaker 4: And it's it's like, it's all cool, but there's something
Speaker 4: about it that creeps me out. I don't know, I
Speaker 4: don't I don't know why.
Speaker 1: It's well, yeah, when things sync up like that, it's
Speaker 1: so that's kind of creepy.
Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: Actually I did some research because I wanted to see
Speaker 4: you're from Marysville, right, yes, I wanted to see if
Speaker 4: there was any haunted places there. And there is a
Speaker 4: road that people say is very haunted. It's now called
Speaker 4: Fire Trail Road. It's also called Marine Drive, but it
Speaker 4: says that it was once called Marysville Pilchuck Road.
Speaker 3: And ooh, some of the stories.
Speaker 4: The most common story this is from only in your
Speaker 4: State dot com and they say the most common story
Speaker 4: is that someone who is driving down the road will
Speaker 4: look in their rear view mirror and see a person
Speaker 4: sitting in their back seats. But when they turn around
Speaker 4: the person's gone, oh, did that ever happen to you?
Speaker 1: No? But I mean driving on Fire Trail Road was
Speaker 1: mostly about going out into the woods to go to
Speaker 1: some secret keg party. And yes, And it's like a
Speaker 1: two lane road and it's rural and there's ditches on
Speaker 1: each side and it's just in the middle and like
Speaker 1: we're like, this.
Speaker 6: Is like eighty three eighty four.
Speaker 9: So it's like lots of dudes, like you know, muscle
Speaker 9: cars and you know, somebody's going on a beer run
Speaker 9: and stuff like there are those kind of things, you know,
Speaker 9: so you know, like dead.
Speaker 10: Man's Curve like that kind So rom off the road
Speaker 10: and you know, and all the kids were, you know,
Speaker 10: not hurt, which.
Speaker 1: Was crazy because the car rolled sixty two times or whatever.
Speaker 3: You yeah, it says.
Speaker 4: According to local legend, the Fire Trail Ghost is the
Speaker 4: spirit of a man who was driving too fast along
Speaker 4: the gravel portion of the street. His car went off
Speaker 4: the road into a swamp or possibly Cummings Lake, and
Speaker 4: he drowned. Phantom lights have been seen at the crest
Speaker 4: of a certain hill along the road, appearing as a
Speaker 4: glowing ball that disappears after thirty seconds. This might be
Speaker 4: the fire trail ghost warning drivers of the dangers of
Speaker 4: the road.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, I didn't know that it was.
Speaker 3: Written about, so it must be real if it's on
Speaker 3: the internet.
Speaker 6: Where did you grow up?
Speaker 3: I grew up in Michigan.
Speaker 1: And ghost experiences in Michigan.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, anything.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm constantly talking about this. There was
Speaker 4: a place called the Ada Witch where it was also
Speaker 4: like kind of a hitchhiker ghost where there was like
Speaker 4: this dark road and some people would say they see
Speaker 4: this woman and then they let her in the car
Speaker 4: and then she disappeared, or you just see her glowing
Speaker 4: walking down the street, or she'd be in a long
Speaker 4: white gown of course, and then you drive by and
Speaker 4: go fetti to drag. Okay, wait, I have another couple
Speaker 4: of questions here. What do you think about the idea
Speaker 4: of Ouiji boards? Do you ever use a Wigi board?
Speaker 1: Yes? And I remember a neighbor had one and we
Speaker 1: were playing with it and my mom told us not
Speaker 1: to because she was I don't know.
Speaker 6: She was like, don't that's not you know?
Speaker 3: Then it was likely that.
Speaker 6: No, I mean my mom, they were my mom.
Speaker 1: Was Catholic, but no, they were just really kind of
Speaker 1: open about whatever. They were spiritual, my parents people, but
Speaker 1: not like yeah so. But my mom didn't want us
Speaker 1: messing around with it. And that made it even more
Speaker 1: exciting because it was like.
Speaker 6: This is hard, and it was well, no, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure, and it was I think I
Speaker 1: remember it happening like on a camping trip and like
Speaker 1: all of the kids were in the tent and we
Speaker 1: were moving the and I don't remember any of the questions.
Speaker 1: I just remember, you know, like, oh my god, it
Speaker 1: just took by itself, you know those it answered you.
Speaker 4: Moved it, now you moved it. Yeah, what do you
Speaker 4: think about curses? Do you think that that's real?
Speaker 1: That sometimes I'll consider like my grandmother was from Ireland
Speaker 1: and she believed in so many superstitions, and so she
Speaker 1: would tell my mom and then my mom would say
Speaker 1: to me, you know, if you uh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: just like if you don't if you don't bless someone
Speaker 1: after a sneeze, the devil will fly up their nose
Speaker 1: and they will be cursed. You know, those kind of things.
Speaker 1: And as a kid, you kind of think, you know
Speaker 1: it's and then it sort of just sort of kicks
Speaker 1: around in your in your mind and it's still kind
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 5: So you just just to be safe, bless you, you know, yeah,
Speaker 5: you just gotta likes well yeah right, Devil's lurking around
Speaker 5: out energy season, just waiting to get inside of someone.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so there's always those sort of like superstitious
Speaker 1: things about you know, if you don't do this, this,
Speaker 1: you know this is going to happen and it I mean,
Speaker 1: my my practical mind says no, but then there's just
Speaker 1: still a little bit inside my head that goes just
Speaker 1: to be safe again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, curses. I've been thinking a lot about curses lately,
Speaker 4: and I do think that it's possible. But there's because
Speaker 4: there's just like a lot of things where there's just
Speaker 4: like the patterns keep happening like the same thing, Like
Speaker 4: is that a coincidence?
Speaker 3: Some say no, some say yes. I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: If I think I believe in curses, sure, why not?
Speaker 4: I mean, but I'm also somebody that's like, if you
Speaker 4: buy this crystal, you won't get cursed. So I'm like
Speaker 4: get me five of them, like I'm down for like
Speaker 4: whatever it takes.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's like moments in time where things
Speaker 1: are just not going your way and then you know,
Speaker 1: and then things pick up and things are great. You know,
Speaker 1: like you could easily say I was cursed and somehow
Speaker 1: it lifted. Yes, and now yeah, right, what do.
Speaker 3: You think of UFOs?
Speaker 1: There's like always that time, Like when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: we would look at the stars and then you'd see
Speaker 1: like something moving around it.
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, you froze. Sorry you FROs You said you're
Speaker 3: you saw something moving around.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like we'd.
Speaker 1: Always say, oh, that's a UFO. Like I love science fiction.
Speaker 1: Science fiction is like amazing, and I love those stories
Speaker 1: about UFOs and about other galaxies. But and I have
Speaker 1: friends that are full on into it, and but and
Speaker 1: also I have a friend who says they were abducted
Speaker 1: and what and and do you know Jenny Schnetz, she
Speaker 1: was like a Calvin Klein model.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, she.
Speaker 1: Said she was abducted by aliens. I don't know, We've
Speaker 1: got to uh, I don't know the details.
Speaker 4: But oh, I'm gonna have hit her up. I want
Speaker 4: to hear about being abducted. I've been dying to get
Speaker 4: abducted lately. You would her Actually, have you heard that
Speaker 4: NASA has this idea of sending nudes up into space,
Speaker 4: nude nude drawings of humans in hopes that extraterrestrial life
Speaker 4: will be like hmm and come on, come on down
Speaker 4: and make some contact or something.
Speaker 3: Did you hear about that?
Speaker 6: And no I didn't, And I thought it was a
Speaker 6: setup for a joke.
Speaker 3: No, no, it's not. I swear to God, it's a thing.
Speaker 3: Look at I found an article.
Speaker 4: It's from Discovery dot com and it says that NASA
Speaker 4: revealed this image as part of their Beacon in the galaxy,
Speaker 4: which is their latest string of attempts to reach other life.
Speaker 4: This just happened this week, and it's it's not the
Speaker 4: first time that naked depictions of humans have been sent
Speaker 4: to space. They did this in nineteen seventy two, nineteen
Speaker 4: seventy three. It says, quote, the proposed message includes basic
Speaker 4: mathematical and physical concepts to establish a universal means of communication,
Speaker 4: followed by information on the biochemical composition of life on Earth. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: there's a bunch of stuff. Anyway, there's nudes included. They're
Speaker 4: like drawn, they're not like hot, you know, but they're like.
Speaker 6: I want to see what they're sending.
Speaker 4: I know they yeah, but to me, it's like, because
Speaker 4: it says here people are scared that it's going to
Speaker 4: welcome them to come down and they could be bad,
Speaker 4: and it says quote logic suggests. Logic suggests a species
Speaker 4: which has reached sufficient complexity to achieve communication through the
Speaker 4: cosmos would also very likely have attained high levels of
Speaker 4: cooperation amongst themselves, and thus will know the importance of
Speaker 4: peace and collaboration. Said the team, I don't want anyone
Speaker 4: haveing my nudes. I don't trust anybody with that.
Speaker 3: I don't care what planet you're on.
Speaker 4: It feels like like they keep trying to send messages
Speaker 4: and no one's replying. And now it's like, isn't that
Speaker 4: kind of the predator moved to be like, well, how
Speaker 4: about a dick pic. It's like I haven't replied to you,
Speaker 4: like I'm not. Can't you take a hand? Like don't
Speaker 4: why are you stepping it up to that? God, we
Speaker 4: are creepy.
Speaker 1: Remember that is that Jodie Foster movie about called Contact,
Speaker 1: And it was she would hear like just like the
Speaker 1: most lightest little something and you know, like using these
Speaker 1: giant like satellite dishes that were the size of a
Speaker 1: house and.
Speaker 6: And I guess apparently those kind of things.
Speaker 1: Are real where they hear the audio of, you know,
Speaker 1: some kind of tone or something that's speaking back to us,
Speaker 1: and so there is something there, but there's never been
Speaker 1: like who came up with the idea that aliens are.
Speaker 1: You know, they don't have hair on their bodies, and
Speaker 1: they have long fingers and their heads that shape seeing them.
Speaker 4: People claim that they've seen them and that's what they've described,
Speaker 4: or they get abducted there you go.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know, I believe in it.
Speaker 4: I don't know where they live, but I think that
Speaker 4: there's definitely things up in the sky that we don't
Speaker 4: know what they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, at this point, really it would be
Speaker 1: that would be something amazing to happen that we would
Speaker 1: definitely need, is aliens to just show up and we.
Speaker 4: Need a change, like we need like when it's like
Speaker 4: the eighth season of a TV show and it's like
Speaker 4: let's get like, you know, a monkey in the cast,
Speaker 4: Like we need like a shake.
Speaker 6: Up, like what happened to Happy.
Speaker 5: Show.
Speaker 4: Yes, I don't know, that's literally what we need to
Speaker 4: happen to Earth.
Speaker 1: I can't believe yes, yeah, yeah, let's bring space person
Speaker 1: into the Yeah.
Speaker 3: Why not, Well, Patty, I guess that's it. Yes, this
Speaker 3: has been so so good.
Speaker 4: I know it was so fun talking with you. Now
Speaker 4: we know your thoughts on some paranormal stuff. If you
Speaker 4: ever encounter a ghost, let me know. We got to
Speaker 4: talk about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think I'm gonna be a little more.
Speaker 1: Conscious of it, so.
Speaker 6: That way, maybe that's it.
Speaker 1: It's like you have to put out your antenna and
Speaker 1: then then it shows up, whatever it is, Bigfoot, Patty
Speaker 1: Arbuckle's ghost who knows.
Speaker 4: Yes, well, tell people where to find you and and
Speaker 4: your book. Tell me about your book.
Speaker 6: Yes, there's.
Speaker 1: That. I did a documentary called Hit So Hard with
Speaker 1: all the archival footage I shot during pole tours.
Speaker 6: And from that documentary, Uh, we did a I did
Speaker 6: a book and I had help writing it.
Speaker 1: And it's just sort of like the way it was
Speaker 1: and then what happened and the way it is today
Speaker 1: and with the recovery through line, because I mean that
Speaker 1: was a big part of my story, was you know,
Speaker 1: a dream of becoming rock rock star and playing drums
Speaker 1: in a band, and then you know, and then but
Speaker 1: also you know, being a drug addict, and you know
Speaker 1: that being eclipsing the dream, you know, because that's what happens,
Speaker 1: you know with addiction is nothing is as important as
Speaker 1: that when you're in full blown addiction. So that's what
Speaker 1: the book's about.
Speaker 6: And you can find me.
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram and yeah and Twitter. Just my name,
Speaker 1: Patti shemel At.
Speaker 4: Oh, well, thank you so much for doing this. I
Speaker 4: love your story. I think you're so inspiring. I think
Speaker 4: you're so cool, and I think you're hilarious and you
Speaker 4: should stop. Well, you're welcome back anytime, Patty, Thank you
Speaker 4: so much to Patty Shemel Oh my god, Fatty did drag?
Speaker 3: Is that going to be merch? Fatty dear drag? Ps?
Speaker 3: That that was his name, Roscoe, Fatty Arbuckle. We're not.
Speaker 4: There's no body shaming. His name was Fatty and he
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