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Speaker 3: It's spooky and joy I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I said.

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Speaker 4: Tyros Dress, Hey Bill, it's me Roz. I got to

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Speaker 4: talk to Patty Shemmel. If you don't know who Patty

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Speaker 4: Shemel is, you know the band Whole one of the

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Speaker 4: biggest rock bands of the nineties, Courtney Love. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Patty is major. Patty has had quite the life. She's

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Speaker 4: got a book about her life that she wrote. There's

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Speaker 3: It's a story of redemn She has toured the.

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Speaker 4: World hotie, she has played for thousands and thousands of people.

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Speaker 3: She has seen some shit and she's hilarious. And so

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Speaker 4: We pretty much stay on topic. I would say we

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Speaker 4: definitely talk paranormal and stuff similar to that. I had

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Speaker 4: a great time talking to Patty and I hope you

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Speaker 4: enjoy it. I also have a Patreon every week full

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Speaker 4: length episode of me learning about paranormal stuff. Last week

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Speaker 4: I learned about the bell Witch, which is a real

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Speaker 4: spooky story and I had a good time learning about it.

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Speaker 4: So you can check that out. The link is in

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Speaker 4: the description of this episode. And I think that's about

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Speaker 4: it for me up here at the top. I'm just

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Speaker 3: On with the show.

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Speaker 5: You guys.

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Speaker 3: I'm joined by Patti Shamble. Hello, I I'm good.

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Speaker 6: I'm a big fan.

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Speaker 1: I have to say no the podcast of you.

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Speaker 6: One of my favorite things when.

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Speaker 1: at that one instagram of you doing the who am I?

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Speaker 6: I think the character is like a The character.

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Speaker 1: Is you know, a tiro reader.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's on my Instagram. It's good, thank you, it's well.

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Speaker 4: It was inspired by our mutual friend of our Sam Pancake.

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Speaker 4: The two of us one time we went to Palm

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Speaker 4: We got Guess who, and then we turned it into

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Speaker 1: It was so good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: And now we're meeting for the first time, and I'm

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of friends in common.

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Speaker 1: It just seems so so much bigger, and you know,

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Speaker 4: Very one of the most iconic rock bands.

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Speaker 4: I think that if you and I ever went to

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Speaker 4: You see, I imagine it would be so hard if

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Speaker 3: You have to keep that up.

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Speaker 4: And I just always have the hardest time believing that that,

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Speaker 1: Yes, what is that that is about? There's a house

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Speaker 6: Ragers you know.

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Speaker 3: Oh sure, and you know, you know, I want to

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Speaker 6: Something like that. So and eventually like, okay, this house is.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't know that that's real.

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Speaker 6: I love him.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So back to your story about the.

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Speaker 1: House. So this the and apparently across the street, like

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Speaker 1: so much like early you know, film lore about that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as Los Felis Silver Lake. If anyone listening doesn't

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Speaker 1: This house has the closet upstairs. Well, we would have

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Speaker 1: So, and he's the one that's for responsible for that

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Speaker 1: He'd be like up with us tattooing, and then she'd

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Speaker 6: I can feel it.

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Speaker 1: And she was like she could feel things, but the

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Speaker 6: And the closet isn't big, it's a small closet. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it could be. She said she saw

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Speaker 1: But I you know what I felt there, and I

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Speaker 1: Up there used that closage for her cat's litter box,

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Speaker 3: No, it was the Sharon's Haite House when he was

445
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: recording an hell.

446
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: Yep.

447
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: So you never really encountered this ghost, or did you?

448
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: I never saw the ghost, but a lot of people

449
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: would say that they felt some spirits in some closet.

450
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 3: Fatty did drag.

451
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 4: Title of episode, Well, I was thinking maybe we could

452
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 4: do a fun little thing where uh and I was

453
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 4: thinking about this because we do this every episode. I

454
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: don't know what I'm saying right now where we listen

455
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 4: to ghost voices? Are you down to hear some ghost voices?

456
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: Yes?

457
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 3: Okay, time for EVP or ev please have you heard

458
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: of an EVP?

459
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 4: EVP is electronic voice phenomenal. So it's when ghost hunters

460
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 4: or anyone really believes that they've captured audio of a

461
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: ghost speaking. And so I go to YouTube and I

462
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 4: look for alleged EVPs and I have my guests guess

463
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 4: what the ghost hunter believes the ghost is saying, so

464
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 4: I'll play it first. I'll let you make a guess,

465
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: and then I'll give you some options. All right, first one.

466
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 4: This was posted by gas Paranormal and it is at

467
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 4: the Burlington County Prison Museum, not to be confused with

468
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 4: the Burlington Coat Factory, the Burlington County Prison Museum, which

469
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 4: is in Mount Holly, New Jersey. And you will hear

470
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 4: the investigator speaking during it. They say, you'll hear a

471
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 4: person saying okay, have a seat, But then there's like

472
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 4: a ghost speaking underneath and in between the words.

473
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 3: So okay, what is this ghost saying?

474
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: Okay?

475
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 3: Do you hear that like creepy voice in the background?

476
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 6: Yeah?

477
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: Can you play it again? Is that weird? Do you

478
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: do that?

479
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: Of course? I played as much as you want.

480
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: Okay.

481
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 8: It's saying yes, yes, yes, gorge like gorge, yes, gorge.

482
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: Yeah it's gorge.

483
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: It's either like a drag queen or like a beauty

484
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 4: influencer or something.

485
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: Okay.

486
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny because one of the options is similar

487
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 4: to that. Is it a uh, who's that message for George?

488
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: Okay? Somebody else for George? Is it b who wants

489
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: a massage. They're free. That's creepy, is it? C? What

490
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: am I gonna do? Enjoy it?

491
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: Or D?

492
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: You're gonna like the way you look? I guarantee it. Okay, let's.

493
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: Like the Men's.

494
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: Got is it the ghost of the Men's Warehouse suit

495
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 4: guy at the Burlington County Prison Museum code Factory?

496
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna play it again. Wait, let me

497
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: do it again?

498
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 6: Yes, George, that's.

499
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: It, that's what I heard. Ye.

500
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: Do they believe that it's a who's that message for? George?

501
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: Oh?

502
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 3: See, okay, now let me know that. Let's hear it again.

503
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: I hear it.

504
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: I do. I don't hear all the words at the top. Oh,

505
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't hear who's that message?

506
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: Who's that message for? George? Well? Here's one more.

507
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 4: This one was posted by Joseph Fontaine and it is

508
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Speaker 4: at the wood Lawn Cemetery in Attleboro, Massachusetts.

509
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: What is it saying? It's a creepier different kind of voice.

510
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go.

511
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: Do you hear that? Okay?

512
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 6: Not yet?

513
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: Comedyah, that's what I heard.

514
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 4: It could be an Olympic watcher. Uh, that is not

515
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 4: one of the options I have here, but hey, it

516
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 4: could be nobody knows. You know, this person's just making

517
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 4: a guess. But is it a taco with eggplant? Which

518
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: I don't know what that that either? That sounds like

519
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 4: a discusting thing to eat or a disgusting thing to

520
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 4: be texted with emojis?

521
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: Uh B, I thought I was taken. C talk with

522
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: me again or D talk to Clay again. Okay, here

523
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: we go.

524
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: It's it's talked to me again?

525
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: Right, yes, talk with me again. I hear talk go

526
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: with egg plants.

527
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 6: I heard taco a little bit too clear.

528
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: Taco me, egg plants. That's it, which makes sense.

529
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 6: It's a very logical.

530
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: Huh again, Taco me again. I'll take another talk.

531
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 4: Oh sure, okay, let's do another thing. I'm just gonna

532
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: tell I'm just gonna say a bunch of unexplainable things whatever, paranormal, supernatural,

533
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: and I want to hear your thoughts. Maybe it'll bring

534
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 4: up a story for you or I don't know, just whatever.

535
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: We'll see what happens. What do you think about bigfoot?

536
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: Love love love and grew up in the Pacific Northwest?

537
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: Right, So.

538
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: When me and some friends and actually the guys in

539
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: the Screaming Trees, another band from Seattle would go out

540
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: on squatch watches and you go out into the woods

541
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: and you bring beer and you just sit quietly and

542
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: do a squatch watch and just kind of look for sasquatch.

543
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: I've never seen a sasquatch, but they say that they

544
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: smell really bad.

545
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 6: And like who came up with that?

546
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: Like like how how?

547
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: Like?

548
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 6: I mean, there's there's only I mean.

549
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: That's why they stay away. They're they're conscious, you know,

550
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: there's self concer They're like, oh well every time we

551
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 4: try to say hi, people are like, eh, you smell,

552
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 4: so you know what. Never mind, I'm just gonna hide.

553
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: You're never gonna see me.

554
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: How about that?

555
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, And I just I mean, there's that that

556
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: footage that it's like the zep Rooter footage, but it's not.

557
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 6: It's it's it's like that you know that the guy

558
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 6: that has that one footage.

559
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 3: Of the yeah, the famous one, Yeah, the Patterson Gimlin

560
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: thank you.

561
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: That they're saying like like you haven't you seen like

562
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: those in search of shows where they talk about how

563
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: this couldn't have been you know, they couldn't have made

564
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: this up because you know, and they'll like get out

565
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: and do like the math figure out that this is

566
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: real footage of a big foot, and you know we

567
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: have the the foot they would go out and pour.

568
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: You know, you've seen those.

569
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 6: Feet, the big foot feet. You ever seen them?

570
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Like I'm gonna just I'm all in big footage. Yeah,

571
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: I'm all in and I'm not skeptical believe that it's

572
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: a there's bigfoot.

573
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: When you were growing up in the Pacific Northwest, did

574
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 4: you ever have any ghost experiences or know of any

575
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 4: local urban legend ye type places.

576
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: Well, it was you know, Green River was always scary,

577
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: the green You know that it's the home of the

578
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: Green River Killer, and that was scary. There's a lot

579
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: of serial killers from there, so that I actually but

580
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: you know, as a kid, you don't really know what's

581
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: going on. And but.

582
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember that, Like it took a long time

583
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 6: for that to like, I'm no, but I do. I

584
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 6: do remember.

585
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with the Pacific Northwest.

586
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 6: But I do remember as a kid getting.

587
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: This forty five of a song and I forget exactly

588
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: a love roller coaster.

589
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 6: Oh yes, and there's the myth about about this, like.

590
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: Somebody told me that in the song you can hear

591
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: a girl screaming, and and I was like, what, yes,

592
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: she was being stabbed outside the recording studio when when

593
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: we're recording the song, and I was like, oh my gone,

594
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: and listening to it over and over and over again

595
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: and hearing that, you know, and actually, you know, it's

596
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: a song about a roller.

597
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 6: I'm sure there's someone screaming. But there was all those kind.

598
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: Of like scariness about songs like like Kiss, one of

599
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: my favorite bands, you know, they were all nights and

600
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: Satan Service.

601
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a Stairway to Heaven backwards.

602
00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: It's like scary, right, Like all those music like scary

603
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: music things were just like yeah, we're like I like

604
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: to get scared with that stuff like get out a

605
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: record and play it backwards and go or like Judas Priest,

606
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, they think, you know, you know, Satan is

607
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 1: my you know God or whatever. There was all those

608
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: and then that whole the whole Satan thing in the

609
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: like late seventies early eighties where you know, kids were

610
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: being you know, told that they couldn't listen to heavy

611
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: metal because that's what you know, the it's the devil's music,

612
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: and kids were gonna like become obsessed and start killing

613
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: other kids that was in loved it.

614
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 4: Did you ever think about putting like any kind of

615
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: secret subliminal messages in any of your music.

616
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 3: No, but I love that.

617
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: Like there's like I forget exactly there's there's certain records

618
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: if you look at the vinyl, sometimes etched inside the

619
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: vinyl right near where the label is, there's like messages,

620
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, hope you like listening or whatever.

621
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: Those kind of things I loved. And then like there

622
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: was always like a secret track on a CD that

623
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: wasn't very ghostly though, that wasn't ghostly at all.

624
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: That was more you know, the love rollercoaster thing. I

625
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: have listened to late at night and it scares me

626
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 4: so much, and I know that it's not real. It's

627
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 4: been debunks, but and like there's the story that, yeah,

628
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 4: the lady that's on the cover of the album, they

629
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 4: said just happened to be in the recording studio that

630
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 4: day and she was stabbed. That or I think the

631
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 4: other one is that in the picture she has like

632
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 4: a bunch of honey on her or something like that,

633
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 4: and it's like it melted her skin or something like that.

634
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 4: She's screaming right when they were recording, and they never

635
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 4: thought to take it.

636
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: How can you you're a screaming lady, you know, outside

637
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: the studio.

638
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 4: But there's also something about like dark side of the

639
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 4: Moon during Wizard of Oz, like that is.

640
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: Like creepy to me.

641
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 4: And it's it's like, it's all cool, but there's something

642
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 4: about it that creeps me out. I don't know, I

643
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 4: don't I don't know why.

644
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: It's well, yeah, when things sync up like that, it's

645
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: so that's kind of creepy.

646
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, I was.

647
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 4: Actually I did some research because I wanted to see

648
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 4: you're from Marysville, right, yes, I wanted to see if

649
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 4: there was any haunted places there. And there is a

650
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 4: road that people say is very haunted. It's now called

651
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 4: Fire Trail Road. It's also called Marine Drive, but it

652
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: says that it was once called Marysville Pilchuck Road.

653
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: And ooh, some of the stories.

654
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 4: The most common story this is from only in your

655
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 4: State dot com and they say the most common story

656
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: is that someone who is driving down the road will

657
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 4: look in their rear view mirror and see a person

658
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 4: sitting in their back seats. But when they turn around

659
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: the person's gone, oh, did that ever happen to you?

660
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: No? But I mean driving on Fire Trail Road was

661
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: mostly about going out into the woods to go to

662
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: some secret keg party. And yes, And it's like a

663
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: two lane road and it's rural and there's ditches on

664
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: each side and it's just in the middle and like

665
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: we're like, this.

666
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 6: Is like eighty three eighty four.

667
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 9: So it's like lots of dudes, like you know, muscle

668
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 9: cars and you know, somebody's going on a beer run

669
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 9: and stuff like there are those kind of things, you know,

670
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 9: so you know, like dead.

671
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 10: Man's Curve like that kind So rom off the road

672
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 10: and you know, and all the kids were, you know,

673
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 10: not hurt, which.

674
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: Was crazy because the car rolled sixty two times or whatever.

675
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: You yeah, it says.

676
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 4: According to local legend, the Fire Trail Ghost is the

677
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 4: spirit of a man who was driving too fast along

678
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 4: the gravel portion of the street. His car went off

679
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 4: the road into a swamp or possibly Cummings Lake, and

680
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 4: he drowned. Phantom lights have been seen at the crest

681
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 4: of a certain hill along the road, appearing as a

682
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 4: glowing ball that disappears after thirty seconds. This might be

683
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 4: the fire trail ghost warning drivers of the dangers of

684
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 4: the road.

685
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, I didn't know that it was.

686
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: Written about, so it must be real if it's on

687
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 3: the internet.

688
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 6: Where did you grow up?

689
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: I grew up in Michigan.

690
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: And ghost experiences in Michigan.

691
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, anything.

692
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm constantly talking about this. There was

693
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 4: a place called the Ada Witch where it was also

694
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 4: like kind of a hitchhiker ghost where there was like

695
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: this dark road and some people would say they see

696
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 4: this woman and then they let her in the car

697
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 4: and then she disappeared, or you just see her glowing

698
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 4: walking down the street, or she'd be in a long

699
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 4: white gown of course, and then you drive by and

700
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 4: go fetti to drag. Okay, wait, I have another couple

701
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 4: of questions here. What do you think about the idea

702
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 4: of Ouiji boards? Do you ever use a Wigi board?

703
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: Yes? And I remember a neighbor had one and we

704
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: were playing with it and my mom told us not

705
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: to because she was I don't know.

706
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 6: She was like, don't that's not you know?

707
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: Then it was likely that.

708
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 6: No, I mean my mom, they were my mom.

709
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: Was Catholic, but no, they were just really kind of

710
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: open about whatever. They were spiritual, my parents people, but

711
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: not like yeah so. But my mom didn't want us

712
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: messing around with it. And that made it even more

713
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: exciting because it was like.

714
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 6: This is hard, and it was well, no, I don't.

715
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure, and it was I think I

716
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: remember it happening like on a camping trip and like

717
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: all of the kids were in the tent and we

718
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: were moving the and I don't remember any of the questions.

719
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: I just remember, you know, like, oh my god, it

720
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: just took by itself, you know those it answered you.

721
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 4: Moved it, now you moved it. Yeah, what do you

722
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 4: think about curses? Do you think that that's real?

723
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: That sometimes I'll consider like my grandmother was from Ireland

724
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: and she believed in so many superstitions, and so she

725
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: would tell my mom and then my mom would say

726
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: to me, you know, if you uh, I don't know,

727
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: just like if you don't if you don't bless someone

728
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: after a sneeze, the devil will fly up their nose

729
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: and they will be cursed. You know, those kind of things.

730
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: And as a kid, you kind of think, you know

731
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: it's and then it sort of just sort of kicks

732
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: around in your in your mind and it's still kind

733
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: of there.

734
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 5: So you just just to be safe, bless you, you know, yeah,

735
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 5: you just gotta likes well yeah right, Devil's lurking around

736
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 5: out energy season, just waiting to get inside of someone.

737
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, so there's always those sort of like superstitious

738
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: things about you know, if you don't do this, this,

739
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: you know this is going to happen and it I mean,

740
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: my my practical mind says no, but then there's just

741
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: still a little bit inside my head that goes just

742
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: to be safe again.

743
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, curses. I've been thinking a lot about curses lately,

744
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 4: and I do think that it's possible. But there's because

745
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 4: there's just like a lot of things where there's just

746
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 4: like the patterns keep happening like the same thing, Like

747
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 4: is that a coincidence?

748
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: Some say no, some say yes. I don't know. I

749
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: don't know.

750
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 4: If I think I believe in curses, sure, why not?

751
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 4: I mean, but I'm also somebody that's like, if you

752
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 4: buy this crystal, you won't get cursed. So I'm like

753
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 4: get me five of them, like I'm down for like

754
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 4: whatever it takes.

755
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

756
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's like moments in time where things

757
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: are just not going your way and then you know,

758
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: and then things pick up and things are great. You know,

759
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: like you could easily say I was cursed and somehow

760
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: it lifted. Yes, and now yeah, right, what do.

761
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 3: You think of UFOs?

762
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: There's like always that time, Like when I was a kid,

763
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: we would look at the stars and then you'd see

764
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: like something moving around it.

765
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, you froze. Sorry you FROs You said you're

766
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 3: you saw something moving around.

767
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like we'd.

768
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: Always say, oh, that's a UFO. Like I love science fiction.

769
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: Science fiction is like amazing, and I love those stories

770
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: about UFOs and about other galaxies. But and I have

771
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: friends that are full on into it, and but and

772
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: also I have a friend who says they were abducted

773
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: and what and and do you know Jenny Schnetz, she

774
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: was like a Calvin Klein model.

775
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: Oh my god, she.

776
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: Said she was abducted by aliens. I don't know, We've

777
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: got to uh, I don't know the details.

778
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 4: But oh, I'm gonna have hit her up. I want

779
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 4: to hear about being abducted. I've been dying to get

780
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 4: abducted lately. You would her Actually, have you heard that

781
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 4: NASA has this idea of sending nudes up into space,

782
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: nude nude drawings of humans in hopes that extraterrestrial life

783
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 4: will be like hmm and come on, come on down

784
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 4: and make some contact or something.

785
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: Did you hear about that?

786
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 6: And no I didn't, And I thought it was a

787
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 6: setup for a joke.

788
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: No, no, it's not. I swear to God, it's a thing.

789
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: Look at I found an article.

790
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 4: It's from Discovery dot com and it says that NASA

791
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 4: revealed this image as part of their Beacon in the galaxy,

792
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 4: which is their latest string of attempts to reach other life.

793
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 4: This just happened this week, and it's it's not the

794
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 4: first time that naked depictions of humans have been sent

795
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 4: to space. They did this in nineteen seventy two, nineteen

796
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 4: seventy three. It says, quote, the proposed message includes basic

797
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 4: mathematical and physical concepts to establish a universal means of communication,

798
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 4: followed by information on the biochemical composition of life on Earth. No, no, no, no,

799
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 4: there's a bunch of stuff. Anyway, there's nudes included. They're

800
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 4: like drawn, they're not like hot, you know, but they're like.

801
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 6: I want to see what they're sending.

802
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 4: I know they yeah, but to me, it's like, because

803
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 4: it says here people are scared that it's going to

804
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 4: welcome them to come down and they could be bad,

805
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 4: and it says quote logic suggests. Logic suggests a species

806
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 4: which has reached sufficient complexity to achieve communication through the

807
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 4: cosmos would also very likely have attained high levels of

808
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 4: cooperation amongst themselves, and thus will know the importance of

809
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 4: peace and collaboration. Said the team, I don't want anyone

810
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 4: haveing my nudes. I don't trust anybody with that.

811
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 3: I don't care what planet you're on.

812
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 4: It feels like like they keep trying to send messages

813
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 4: and no one's replying. And now it's like, isn't that

814
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 4: kind of the predator moved to be like, well, how

815
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 4: about a dick pic. It's like I haven't replied to you,

816
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 4: like I'm not. Can't you take a hand? Like don't

817
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 4: why are you stepping it up to that? God, we

818
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 4: are creepy.

819
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: Remember that is that Jodie Foster movie about called Contact,

820
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: And it was she would hear like just like the

821
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: most lightest little something and you know, like using these

822
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: giant like satellite dishes that were the size of a

823
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: house and.

824
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 6: And I guess apparently those kind of things.

825
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: Are real where they hear the audio of, you know,

826
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: some kind of tone or something that's speaking back to us,

827
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: and so there is something there, but there's never been

828
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: like who came up with the idea that aliens are.

829
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: You know, they don't have hair on their bodies, and

830
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: they have long fingers and their heads that shape seeing them.

831
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 4: People claim that they've seen them and that's what they've described,

832
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 4: or they get abducted there you go.

833
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know, I believe in it.

834
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 4: I don't know where they live, but I think that

835
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 4: there's definitely things up in the sky that we don't

836
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 4: know what they are.

837
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, at this point, really it would be

838
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: that would be something amazing to happen that we would

839
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: definitely need, is aliens to just show up and we.

840
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 4: Need a change, like we need like when it's like

841
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 4: the eighth season of a TV show and it's like

842
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 4: let's get like, you know, a monkey in the cast,

843
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 4: Like we need like a shake.

844
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 6: Up, like what happened to Happy.

845
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 5: Show.

846
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 4: Yes, I don't know, that's literally what we need to

847
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 4: happen to Earth.

848
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: I can't believe yes, yeah, yeah, let's bring space person

849
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: into the Yeah.

850
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: Why not, Well, Patty, I guess that's it. Yes, this

851
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 3: has been so so good.

852
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 4: I know it was so fun talking with you. Now

853
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 4: we know your thoughts on some paranormal stuff. If you

854
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 4: ever encounter a ghost, let me know. We got to

855
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 4: talk about it.

856
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

857
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 6: I think I'm gonna be a little more.

858
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: Conscious of it, so.

859
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 6: That way, maybe that's it.

860
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: It's like you have to put out your antenna and

861
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: then then it shows up, whatever it is, Bigfoot, Patty

862
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: Arbuckle's ghost who knows.

863
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 4: Yes, well, tell people where to find you and and

864
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 4: your book. Tell me about your book.

865
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 6: Yes, there's.

866
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: That. I did a documentary called Hit So Hard with

867
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: all the archival footage I shot during pole tours.

868
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 6: And from that documentary, Uh, we did a I did

869
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 6: a book and I had help writing it.

870
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: And it's just sort of like the way it was

871
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: and then what happened and the way it is today

872
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: and with the recovery through line, because I mean that

873
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: was a big part of my story, was you know,

874
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: a dream of becoming rock rock star and playing drums

875
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: in a band, and then you know, and then but

876
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: also you know, being a drug addict, and you know

877
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: that being eclipsing the dream, you know, because that's what happens,

878
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: you know with addiction is nothing is as important as

879
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: that when you're in full blown addiction. So that's what

880
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: the book's about.

881
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 6: And you can find me.

882
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram and yeah and Twitter. Just my name,

883
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: Patti shemel At.

884
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 4: Oh, well, thank you so much for doing this. I

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Speaker 4: love your story. I think you're so inspiring. I think

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Speaker 4: you're so cool, and I think you're hilarious and you

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Speaker 4: should stop. Well, you're welcome back anytime, Patty, Thank you

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Speaker 4: so much to Patty Shemel Oh my god, Fatty did drag?

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Speaker 3: Is that going to be merch? Fatty dear drag? Ps?

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Speaker 3: That that was his name, Roscoe, Fatty Arbuckle. We're not.

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Speaker 4: There's no body shaming. His name was Fatty and he

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Speaker 4: did drag. Thank you for listening. Please subscribe to the

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Speaker 4: you could leave it in a five star review, or

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Speaker 3: You know the things to do. You can follow me

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Speaker 3: on social media. Not super bear normal, but it's still

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Speaker 3: fun anyway.

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Speaker 4: I'm at Roz Hernandez on Instagram, at It's Roz Hernandez

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Speaker 4: on TikTok and Twitter. Please tell your friends about the show.

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Speaker 4: Pride Month is coming up. I've got some great lgbt

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Speaker 4: And yeah, support the show with my Patreon picture dot

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Speaker 4: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

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Speaker 4: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.

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