1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Hmmm. Welcome to the City of the Lakers podcast. Hello everybody. 2 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: Rogers is good to see your smiling face again. It's 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: been way too long. We took up from about a 4 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: week and a half off. How are you doing, man? 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: I am doing great. It is a Wednesday morning here. 6 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: It's finally cold enough that I can wear a sweater 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: like I I feel great, Like I woke up cold. 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: I was like, yes, finally, it's been like a hundred 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: and one degrees. But I am great. We've both been traveling, 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: doing stuff, having fun. But we're like thirty days out 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: from the first preseason game, and you believe that, like 12 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: the summer's flying by. We had all these like off 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: season kind of you know, goals and things to kind 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: of hit on in the podcast, and like thirty days away. 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: Training camp is in like twenty five days. We're gonna 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: start getting quotes from training camp and all the people 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: saying that in the best shape of their lives, you know, 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: all the stuff we hear at training camp is coming 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: up soon. But I'm doing great. How are you doing that? 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: I'm doing good, man. Um uh we It is very similarly. 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: We got hit by the leftover remnants of a tropical 22 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: storm last night that had come from hit in Mexico 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: and so it rained and just cooled everything off. Um, 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: and we're heading into this at the time of the 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: year for us where things start to get a little 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: bit better, which is nice because summers in Arizona can 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: be rough. But yeah, it's funny because basketball As a 28 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: basketball fan there, it was such a low point when 29 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: the season was really heating up. After that weekend Lebron 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: beat the Bucks and the Clippers, and then all of 31 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: a sudden, it was like the league's going away, and 32 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: we have no idea when they're coming back. And then 33 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: even when they were talking about coming back, they're like, 34 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: maybe we'll just skip the season and trash the c 35 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: b A. And then you're like, oh my, we might 36 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: not see NBA basketball for months and months. And instead 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: we took three months off and now it's been like 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: NonStop basketball and even this little break of an off 39 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: season we have is is super super quick. But for 40 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: Laker fans in particular, it's nice because things ended way 41 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: too quickly. I was actually joking with my wife the 42 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: other day because you and I started doing these pot 43 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: these post game shows, right and you know, we were 44 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: getting great you know, interest from that, and there was 45 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: so much fun. But we only did them for like 46 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: a month, maybe not even because the Lakers lost fast 47 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: like they got they got knocked out in the first round. 48 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: And I told Carly, my wife, I was like, just 49 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: so you know, like we're looking at like nine straight 50 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: months of that happening like three to four nights a week, 51 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: just so that you're aware. And she's like, no, no, 52 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: I know, it's okay. But anyway, we're we're excited to 53 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: talk some Lakers today. We're gonna talk about Rondo, uh 54 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: in him coming back, what that means, what his job 55 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: is going to be on this particular team, um, what 56 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: he brings to the table. We're gonna talk about what 57 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: to do with that last roster spot. Uh there's two 58 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: opening still, but they plan on leaving one open from 59 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: what I understand. But then there's also the potential for 60 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: Marc Gasol to retire and how that can kind of 61 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: throw an extra spot in there in the mix. Uh, 62 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about that a little bit. Um. 63 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: As I was looking up at the beginning, the Lakers 64 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: win total for this season is only fifty one and 65 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: a half, and both rog and I think that's pretty low. 66 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: And we're gonna discuss why uh there at the end, 67 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: and then if we have some time at the end, 68 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna touch on a little bit of this Kyrie 69 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: Steph debate that was going around yesterday on NBA Twitter. 70 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: But let's start with Rondo. So, you know, it wasn't 71 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: exactly a big surprise. Uh, you know, there was some 72 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: intel pointing in that direction. Obviously the Lakers, even though 73 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: the fan base had an inconsistent impression of Rondo. Obviously 74 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: the Laker organization loved having him. Uh. And the only 75 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: reason they really let him go is because the shrewder, 76 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: it seems like, so you know, they seem all pretty 77 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: stoked about it. What was your initial like like snapshot 78 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: takeaway when the Rondo deal happened. Were you surprised? Were 79 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: you happy about it? Are you disappointed? What's your overall impression? Yeah, 80 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: it felt inevitable after he was traded by the Clippers, right, 81 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: it's kind of hilarious looking at how he got here, 82 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: Like he got paid by the docks, Um, he got 83 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: traded to the Clippers, gets traded to the Grizzlies, and 84 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: then the Lakers just get him from the minimum. So 85 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: basically he got paid to go doing one like a 86 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: one year little tour around and come right back. And 87 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: he said that this is where he wanted to be. Um, 88 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: he didn't even have any other kind of suitors that 89 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: he was even thinking about. He's a guy that raises 90 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: the collective basketball I Q right, that's what he does. Um. 91 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: People are saying he's gonna feel that Jared Dudley kind 92 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: of role. We'll see you with that. I think he's 93 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 1: gonna play more than Jared Dudley did. UM Logo definitely 94 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: has an affinity for him, like just as a player, 95 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: and his like accolades as a player show up on 96 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: this team. He's actually one of the younger guys, right. 97 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: I think he joked in anybodys like one of the 98 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: bottom five youngest guys on the team, which is hilarious. 99 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: And he has a chemistry with eight that's undenied. Bill 100 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: to me, he had the biggest chemistry with a d 101 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: even including Lebron, Like that's that's a high of a 102 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: chemistry he had with him. He found him on law passes. 103 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: He's great for him and he's not gonna he talked 104 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: about he's not going to play as much, and that's 105 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: easy to stay in the middle of in the end 106 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: of August, like, it's really easy to say, he's a 107 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: guy that's shown that he wants to play, and I 108 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: think he will um in certain situations. But yeah, that 109 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: was my first kind of initial takeaway by kind of 110 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: looking at the trees to the forest or however you 111 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: say that, Um, he's kind of he's a guy that 112 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: raises the collective basketball Q and he's just another smart 113 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: guy to have on the team. There's negatives that he 114 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: brings on the floor, but that's kind of my take 115 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: What do you what do you see from Rondo? So 116 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: it's no secret that I'm I'm in the rare company 117 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: of of Laker fans that were not overly swayed by 118 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: his playoff run. Um. For the record, he was in 119 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: you and I talked about this on the podcast. He 120 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: was definitively better in the playoff run than he was 121 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: in the regular season, So there was some uh, you know, 122 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: redemption there so to speak. Uh that said, I thought 123 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: he was still a little inconsider stint. I thought it 124 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: was just kind of like you know, in the regular season, 125 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: you know, if you took a five game sample, there'd 126 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: be four bad Rondo games and there'd be one good 127 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: Rondo game. And I felt like in the playoffs that 128 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: kind of went more to like a one to one 129 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: kind of deal, where you know, one game he would 130 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: look like playoff rondo from the Celtics, and then the 131 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: next game he'd be actively hurting the team. It seemed like, 132 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: So what kind of frustrated me about that experience is like, 133 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, when you have two stars like Lebron and 134 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: a d you just need people after them that don't 135 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: mess things up. And so in those nights when he 136 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: would when he would be kind of gambling all over 137 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: the place, getting out of position on defense, being super 138 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: indecisive as an off ball shooter, but then at the 139 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: same time driving into the paint, smoking layups right and left, 140 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: Like it just got really frustrating to watch just as 141 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: a fan, you know. But that said, like, I do 142 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: think it's it's very important that I personally acknowledged that 143 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 1: he was very good at stretches in that playoff front. 144 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: His assistant turnover ratio is fantastic. He was just shy 145 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: of seven assists with just about two turnovers shot from 146 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: three in that playoff run. He had in the regular 147 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: season his net rating was right around zero, and in 148 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 1: the later portion of the season he was way below zero. 149 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: He was hurting the team a lot, but in the 150 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,559 Speaker 1: playoff run his net rating was just shy of plus 151 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: six points per one hunter possession. So he did his 152 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,559 Speaker 1: job of not letting all hell break loose when Lebron 153 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: would go to the bench, so to speak. So I 154 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: I do want to pay him his props in that regard. 155 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: My main concern, and this is not exactly a big 156 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: secret among uh, you know the people in my camp 157 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: who have been a little bit concerned about this. You know, 158 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm worried about him taking opportunities away from young players 159 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: who are going to struggle with getting a rhythm. You know. 160 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: You know what's really really hard is when your opportunity 161 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: is inconsistent, and if Rondo gets a big game in 162 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: terms of minutes once or twice a week, that that's 163 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: just a little bit of a wrench own into Molik 164 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: Monk or Kendrick Nunn's rotation and their opportunity. That might 165 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: hurt their confidence a little bit. And so my thing is, 166 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: like we kind of ran into this issue last year, 167 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: right where you're when you when you almost have too 168 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: many guys to play, it seems like it seems like 169 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: everyone starts to struggle a little bit because their opportunities 170 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: are inconsistent. And so that that's my one warrior with 171 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: Rondo is just whether or not he ends up, you know, 172 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: kind of inadvertently hurting Malik Monk or Kendrick Nunn by 173 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: cutting into their opportunity and hurting their confidence a little bit. 174 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah? That does, I guess. Like 175 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: my only counterpoint to that is, like he's not out 176 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: getting man's over Russell Westbrook, right, like Russell west was 177 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: gonna be a starting point guard, Like he's gonna play 178 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: the majority of minutes if Kendrick Nunn and Maligue Monk 179 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: can't beat out thirty five. However, old Rondo is thirty 180 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: five year old ra Gen Rondo for minutes, that we 181 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: have a problem, Like Kendrick Dunn should be able to 182 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: outplay ra Gen Rondo for minutes at least in the 183 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: regular season. In the playoffs, we'll see, we'll see how 184 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: it goes. But yeah, like that, that's my only My 185 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: only counterpoint to that is that, like those guys should 186 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: be able to beat him out for minutes, like there's 187 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: there's no reason that and a little competition is fine. Um, 188 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like to compare him, but like 189 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: Dennis Shreuder is a better player than Rondo, right, Like 190 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: Dennis Shruder overall is a better player. But I think 191 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: there's a difference between a guy that can pass and find, 192 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: you know, Anthony Davis for example, and a guy that's 193 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: actively looking for him. And I think that's what Rondo does. 194 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: It's a big and and eighties, a guy that his 195 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: star level shouldn't really need for that, but it does. 196 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: It's just eighties, a guy that can really float, and 197 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: Rondo makes it almost his job on the floor to 198 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: make sure he gets a D the ball and positions. 199 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: Re watching the playoffs, like there were so many plays 200 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: where like a D would get in the post between 201 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: the matchup and Rondo would just like no, no, no, 202 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: we're clearing this whole side and we're getting the ball 203 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: to a D like none of this, We're not doing 204 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: anything else. I don't care what the play is. A 205 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: D has a guy that's five inches shorter and then him, 206 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: we're getting him the ball and everyone else go to 207 00:09:58,679 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: the other side of the floor. And those kind of 208 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: things have a collective kind of dynamo effect to me 209 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: on a d even if he doesn't score on that play, 210 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: just making him consistently involved. And I think that's something 211 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: that Rondo does that you can't teach him. The kind 212 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: of chemistry that they build, you can't buy on the 213 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: free agency market, right like like your kitchen Murray. Again 214 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: not to compare them, but like you'll get your Murray 215 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: have a chemistry build that you can't buy. It's it's 216 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: not available on the market. So those kind of things 217 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: I think are invaluable that that he brings. And and 218 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: again those are intangible things and it's hard to kind 219 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: of value and he still can't really shoot, and you know, 220 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: but I just think there's a flair and we we 221 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: think of fearlessness in terms of shots, in terms of 222 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: taking shots, right like there's like all he's so fearless 223 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, you'll shoot, you know, you shoot whatever. 224 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: Rondo has a fearlessness as a pastor, which I think 225 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: is important, Like he he's not scared to make that pass, 226 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, because in the playoff those reads need to 227 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: be even a second quicker than they're on the regular season, 228 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: and again we're watching the playoffs. You're right, he wasn't 229 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: great in a lot of these games, but his fearlessness 230 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: as a pastor really showed up to me. Like where 231 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: a guy has a seal, it's a quick throw. It's 232 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: not like, oh man, we'll this pass get there, you know, No, 233 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: it's just a quick once he sees the guy um 234 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: like fronting, he'll he'll throw it over the top. You know, 235 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: stuff like that that uh that you can't teach that. 236 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: He's just kind of been ingrained as a pastor. So 237 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: those are things I think he really brings a lot 238 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: of natives he still can't defend. I'm sure he's still 239 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: gonna take nights off. I know there's gonna be Westbrook 240 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: Rondo lineups that are gonna drive you absolutely crazy this season. 241 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: I am absolutely sure of it. If you don't think 242 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: Boco is gonna play Rondo, Westbrook and Lebron lineups, you 243 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: are fooling yourself, because absolutely that's gonna happen. But yeah, 244 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: I think that. I think he's uh, he's gonna play 245 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: a less than he did in the title year, But yeah, 246 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: I think I think it's great minimum signing. You know, 247 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: he's getting paid by the Grizzlies to play for the Lakers, Like, 248 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: what kind of what else can you ask for? There? 249 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: His his passing ability, I thought really showed in the 250 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: NBA Finals against the Heat in particular, there was this 251 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: chemistry with Lebron. The two games that stood out to me. 252 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: We're Game two when the Heat stayed in the zone 253 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: for the entire game, and then in Game six when 254 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: they were beating the living hell out of him. Uh, 255 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: Lebron and and Rondo just had this uncanny It almost 256 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: reminded me of like if you played in a three 257 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: if you if you ever played in the three on 258 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: three tournament, there's always that team in there that's not 259 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: super athletic or good, but they're just remarkably smart at 260 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: like cutting and screening and getting open shots just by 261 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: by by running basic NBA offense. Lebron and Rondo were 262 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: doing that to the Heat in Game six of the Finals, 263 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: just like just really detail cuts and seals and things 264 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: like that that we're getting easy layups. And Rondo certainly 265 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: brings that element to the table. And we're gonna in 266 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: a second here, we're gonna talk more about you know, 267 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: the other roster spots to have to get filled. And 268 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: it's funny because you know, I was tweeting with with 269 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: Pete from l f R the other day about this, 270 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: and he said, and this is something that I agree with. 271 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: He goes, it's easier to tell actually this is I 272 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: have to I'm not I'm not gonna take a victory 273 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: lap yet because we're not sure, but I'm going to 274 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: kind of rub it in your face a little bit 275 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: that I kind of think that I might have been 276 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: right about a d playing more at the five. But anyway, 277 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: he goes, the signings tend to make more sense through 278 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: the lens that the Lakers are going to be going smaller, 279 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: because now what they have seven guards. By my account, 280 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,599 Speaker 1: we have Monk and none, Rondo Westbrook, th h t 281 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: um Uh from the Warriors, bays More at six, and 282 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: then there's a set. There's a seventh that I'm forgetting 283 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: off the top of my head, oh Ellington, Ellington. So 284 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: they have seven guards right now, and so you know, 285 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: it would lend you to think that they plan on 286 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: having some of those guys play minutes at the small Ford. 287 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's gonna be bays Moore in 288 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: th HT or if it's going to be more of 289 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: a traditional three guard type of deal, but it's clear 290 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: that that's the direction they're heading. And one of the 291 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: nice things from a depth perspective, you know, Darius Oriano 292 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: made the joke about the about Batman the Dark Night 293 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: where Joker breaks the pool queue and throws the two 294 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: pieces of one at the guys and goes like, hey, 295 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: we're taking tryouts for the new team here, you know. 296 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: And it's like, that's kind of the way that I 297 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: see Vogel approaching this as I see him coming in 298 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: day one of camp and looking at the guards, you know, 299 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: and just and and looking and saying, hey, hey, count, 300 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: count how many of the of you guys there are? 301 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: And they all kind of look around at each other 302 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, there's seven of us, And it's like, 303 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: do you think all seven of you are gonna play? 304 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: And they're gonna be like, you know, and then it's 305 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: gonna be hey, well guess what I'm playing the guys 306 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: who defend? And you know, is that does that mean 307 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: that they're gonna all of a sudden start defending at 308 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: a super high level? Not necessarily, but at the very least, 309 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: you're going to get an effort and focus and and 310 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: attention to detail from those guys on the defensive end 311 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: of the floor. By virtue of necessity, it's gonna be 312 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: almost like a survival instinct from them in terms of 313 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: trying to stay in the rotation, because even the guys, 314 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, you've got guys like Rondo who sure as 315 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: hell want to play. We saw the quote from him 316 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: basically like throwing shade at Tyron Lou for not playing 317 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: him a lot in the playoff run. But then you've 318 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: got guys like Monk and None who they can't afford 319 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: to fall out of the rotation because if they do, 320 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: it could derail their careers. You know, Molik Monk, the 321 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: difference between him signing a mid level exception deal or 322 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: bigger next year with another team, or coming back to 323 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: the Lakers or someone else on a minimum deal is 324 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: going to have to do with how well he plays 325 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: this year. And so it's very important for these guys 326 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: to get playing time. And so it's going to drive 327 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: a competitiveness in the guard corps that's going to bring 328 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: the best out of them, I think, and I think 329 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: that that that is the thing that is good, But 330 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: it makes more sense in terms of your actual lineups 331 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: if you're looking at as seven guys filling three positions 332 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: rather than seven guys filling two positions. If that makes sense, Yeah, 333 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: for sure. And again you say guard, but I mean, 334 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: like to me, most of those guys are like two threes, 335 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: right like Baysmore, I think is gonna play a lot 336 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: of three THHD looks like a wing at least from 337 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: like his summer videos. Like I think he's gonna play 338 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: a lot of three. Look, I hope Ad starts as center, 339 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: Like I hope you guys are right. I'm just when 340 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: someone tells me something for a very long time, I've 341 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: kind of listened to it. Like A D has been 342 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: very clear about this. He will play eight, he'll play 343 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: the five when he needs to, and like a Tuesday 344 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: game in Charlotte, and I just don't see it, like 345 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't think he will. Maybe it's a mental thing 346 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: for him. You talked about the like the kind of 347 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: he's kind of losing, he's kind of losing the physicality 348 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: battle anyway by playing the four, right, Like it's kind 349 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: of detriment to him. Um in in that situation, but 350 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: him mentally he feels better playing the power forward and 351 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of actu as to your stars 352 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: sometimes when a D is a superstar on this team, 353 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: and that's kind of how I see it. Um, Yeah, 354 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: like I think he's gonna still start at center. I 355 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: don't know who's going to be the starting center, but 356 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: until proven otherwise, Like that's just how I think it 357 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: will go. And Bogel has kind of said that he's 358 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: fine with it as well, so well, it's it's my 359 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: case for a D playing more at the center kind 360 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: of derives from Marcusol's hesitancy to come back, because Marcus 361 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: is a competitor like that dude, like you don't go 362 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, you're never you're not the defensive player of 363 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: the year, and a guy who takes that limited Memphis 364 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: Grizzlies roster as far as he did all those years 365 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: without being a freak competitor, like the dude absolutely wants 366 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: to come back to the Lakers and play. And the 367 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: I personally think that the intel that came from Mark Stein, 368 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: by the way, whether or not it wasn't some RD 369 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: Abraham kind of deal, like he said that he thinks 370 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: that Marcusol might be retiring. And the reason why, in 371 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: my opinion, is that I think Rob basically called him 372 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: and said, Dwight Nade are splitting the center minutes. And 373 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: so if you know what's silly to me about that, 374 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: from Mark's perspective, is inevitably this year eight is probably 375 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: not playing back to backs. You know, Dwight Howard's gonna 376 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: have some some little nagging stuff here and there where, 377 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: he's gonna miss some games. Like, there's still plenty of 378 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: opportunity for whoever that is, whether it's marcusol or DeAndre 379 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,959 Speaker 1: Jordan who or Paul Millsapper, whoever, whoever the hell they 380 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: signed to fill that role, that person is going to 381 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: have opportunities to play this year. It's not it's not 382 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: gonna be, you know, just riding the bench all year long. 383 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: It's not the same kind of deal as last year 384 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: when we had all of those bigs. You know, we 385 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: basically had a five big rotation at that point. So 386 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily worried about that. But I do think 387 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 1: that it's possible that Dwight starts and a D plays 388 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: for to start the game. But I think that the 389 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: it's been hinted pretty heavily that Dwight would quickly sub 390 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: out and then a D would go to the five 391 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: and then him. And because even if a D, even 392 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: if Dwight is the only other center that plays, in theory, 393 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: what's Dwight gonna play like twenty minutes probably, you know, 394 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: we talked about this the other day with Ellington, Like, 395 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: twenty eight minutes is a lot of minutes. I don't 396 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: think Dwight's gonna play that much. I think he'll play 397 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: somewhere in that twenty to twenty two minute range. Well, 398 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: that means that there's another twenty eight minutes available at 399 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: the center position during the game, and so it's very 400 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: possible that a D plays that those minutes. That that's 401 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: just my guests though, But so it seems to me 402 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: that you think that the far more likely outcome is 403 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: that they ring another center along and end up basically 404 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: having them and Dwight share the center minutes exactly. So 405 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: let me make my case for DeAndre Jordan. And I 406 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: don't want I don't want, you know, fire sticks at 407 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: my house or or at my Twitter profile or whatever. 408 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: Like I totally understand DeAndre Jordan was not great last year. 409 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: You know, there were a lot of players you can 410 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: find where he's kind of staring around, a lot of 411 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: plays where he doesn't cut hard. I totally understand. Let 412 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: me just make my case. First of all, I would 413 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: like Marcasol over him. But Marcosol is thirty six years old. Okay, 414 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: Marcosol turns thirty seven in the end of January, so 415 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: he will be thirty seven going into the playoffs like that. 416 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: That's just that's yes. But you know, Marcosol is not Lebron. 417 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: He's not built like Lebron. He doesn't move like him, 418 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: doesn't have the body of Lebron, no one does. No 419 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: one in the world has a body like Lebron. But still, 420 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: like you know, Marcusol isn't He's not an athlete that's 421 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: gonna age all super great like his game Mage bacefully 422 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: was body. You know, he's a slow kind of footed center. 423 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: You saw even in the Spain games. You know, you 424 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: know he kind of comes off for his brother, kind 425 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: of comes up in for him really quickly. That's besides 426 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: the point. And I'm not trying to I don't need 427 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: to bring down Marcusol to bring up DeAndre Jordan, right, 428 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: But I'm just giving you the fact that Marcusol is 429 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: an older player. He's thirty six. DeAndre Jordan is thirty two. 430 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: Thirty two years old, same age, I believe it's play 431 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: Griffin Um same age as Russell Westbrook. Um. He's just 432 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: in that age of like these guys and they're primes, 433 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: not in they're primes, but you know, he's a He's 434 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: in that age where he can still be effective at 435 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: thirty two years old. He was fourth in a field 436 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: goal percentage last year. He's been the top like five, 437 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: I believe for the last few years. He's a guy 438 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: that finishes at the rim. He still can be a 439 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: big time law threat. He fits that like physical kind 440 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: of dominance right that the Lakers are trying to build. Now, 441 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: look he does he helped the spacing shooting, No, absolutely not, 442 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: but he's still a law threat. Like I think that's 443 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: a vertical space and I think they're going towards more 444 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: of that in their bigs. Um, And he can be 445 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: a nominal center. Can you play twenty eight minutes a game? No? 446 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: Can you play twenty five? Probably not? But can he 447 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: play the twelve eleven or twelve minutes that Javail was playing? 448 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: Why not? Like why not the new situation. I understand, 449 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: like those were his best friends Kyrie Katie. Something obviously happen. 450 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: He's getting bench for Jared Allen. Then he got bench 451 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: for Pretty Claxton or I think that's his name, Pretty Claxton. 452 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: I forgot what's his actually, Nick Claxton. Sorry, yeah, one 453 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: of the Claxton's. UM. Yeah, he got bench for him, 454 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: and totally makes sense. They went with the younger center 455 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: can kind of switch more. But I think with the 456 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: Lakers scheme of wanting to just put guys to the rim, 457 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: I think he fits that and this is gonna be 458 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: a transition running team anyway, and a guy that can. 459 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: He's another great rebounder. UM. He was one of the 460 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: best defensive players UM of his kind of generation when 461 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: he was playing back in he was voted the best 462 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: defensive player over guys like Anthony Davis over Tony Allen. 463 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: I believe as well. I'm just a guy I think 464 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: that fits and I totally Yet he wasn't good last year. 465 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: Like NETS fans keep telling me this, you don't want 466 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: DeAndre Jordan on your team, and maybe I should listen, 467 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: because I didn't listen to Andre Drummond stuff, So maybe 468 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: I should listen to DeAndre Jordan's stuff, But um, yeah, 469 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: I feel like he can still be a nominal center 470 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: at that at what he is now, and maybe again 471 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: maybe he's not ready for that, but like when I 472 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: watch him play, there's still stuff in there. He still 473 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 1: has imbatic dunce, he can still really jump, he can 474 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: still roll when he wants to, and I think in 475 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: a new situation he can he can fit in. What 476 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: do you what do you think about it? So for starters, 477 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: don't I don't really want to hear anything about what 478 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: the Nets fans say about DeAndre Jordan because DeAndre Jordan 479 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: didn't fit into their identity. You know, like DeAndre Jordan 480 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: is the super athletic, rim spacing, primarily defensive type of center. 481 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: Makes a lot more sense on a team like the Lakers, 482 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: where their identity is built around that sort of thing 483 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: than it does on a super finesse team like the 484 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets, you know, where he's the only guy on 485 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: the floor who's really trying to physically bully people. So 486 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 1: it's not really having much of an impact to begin with. 487 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: You know, I'm actually pro signing DeAndre Jordan as well, 488 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: and the main reason why, it's like when you're looking 489 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: at depth, so guys outside of your rotation, because I'm 490 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: looking at this from a different perspective than you, because 491 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: you're looking at it in terms of a ready made 492 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: rotation player because you think that he's gonna play the four. 493 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: But from my perspective, even with a D primarily playing 494 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: the five or at least half the time and UH 495 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: and Dwight getting those other five minutes, I still like 496 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: DeAndre Jordan as a signing. And the main reason why 497 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: is when you're adding depth, you can kind of look 498 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: at it from two perspectives. You can either add a 499 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: guy that's just like the guy in front of him, 500 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: because in that case you can slot him in and 501 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: play the same style and not have to worry about, 502 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, trying to rebuild your identity around a specific player. 503 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: Or you can get somebody very different, think like a 504 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: Paul millsap or a LaMarcus Aldridge, and you can have 505 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: a kind of a curveball, a different a different direction. 506 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: You can go to kind of change pace and mix 507 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: things up in your rotation. Now specifically with the center position, 508 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: because when push comes to shove, I think a D 509 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: is going to play the five in the playoffs. I 510 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: think you probably agree with me there. Because of that, 511 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: I'm less concerned about versatility at the center position. So 512 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: I like the idea of DeAndre Jordan's because if Dwight 513 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: Howard goes down for a couple of weeks and you 514 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 1: need DeAndre Jordan to play, that's an easy slot in. 515 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: You can get eight percent of the Dwight experience from 516 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: DeAndre Jordan's and play the same style to carry you 517 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: through the innings of the regular season. That's kind of 518 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: the way I see it. Whereas with the guard position, 519 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: which I do think they'll end up bringing one more 520 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: wing type of dude if Marcosol retires, I think they 521 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: will um, which would which Marcus al would have to 522 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: retire for DeAndre Jordan to make sense to begin with. 523 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: But in that case, because the guards are going to 524 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: play in the playoffs, I think the versatility makes more sense. 525 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't want another, you know, Malik Monk type 526 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: of young guard who's kind of skinny, who's gonna run 527 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: and shoot a bunch of threes. That to me wouldn't 528 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: make sense because you already have that in the Guard corps. 529 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: You have multiple guys kind of play that style. So 530 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: I would prefer a Wesley Matthews there because he's very 531 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: different than the other guards on the roster. He's more 532 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: defensive minded, he's a savvy, veteran player. He doesn't have 533 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: anywhere near the offensive ceiling. He's not as good as 534 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: a shooter, he's not as good at putting the ball 535 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,959 Speaker 1: on the floor. But he's a guy that you can 536 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: slot into lineups and he won't screw things up. He's 537 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: a guy that's going to raise your floor, so to speak, 538 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: with those lineups. So with with guys that I are 539 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: going to primarily play in the playoffs, I'd go for 540 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: versatility that they're like something different than what you have. 541 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: And with the center position, I'd go for more of 542 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: the same. And so like, I don't like the idea 543 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: of Dwight going down. And so now you throw Paul 544 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: Millsap in there, and he's playing just a completely different style, 545 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: and now the Lakers are having to change the way 546 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: they play in a random regular season game in February 547 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: because of you know, a little bit of injury, bad 548 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: injury luck. So I'm with you. I go with DeAndre 549 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: Jordan's at at the end of the day, what what 550 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: he brings to the table as an athlete, and his 551 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: defensive pedigree from the past, which is not the same 552 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: as he was obviously, but neither is Dwite. But for 553 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: what you're going to ask him to do, to defend 554 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: and pick and roll, to protect the rim, to run 555 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: the floor and to screen and roll to the rim 556 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: hard and be ready to catch lobs that you can't 557 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: pick a better fac simile of Dwight right now in 558 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: the league than DeAndre Jordan. And so I think that 559 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: that move makes a lot of sense in that regard. 560 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: So I would agree with you. Yeah, and and DeAndre 561 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: is not Dwight Howard, right, he never was like the 562 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: kind of caliber player. But like a lot of the 563 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: things you hear about DeAndre Jordan's very similar to what 564 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: people are saying when the Lakers signed Dwight back in 565 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: Twayne nineteen, right, Like he um, he's not motivated anymore. 566 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: You know, he hasn't been good, wasn't good on the Wizards. 567 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: And Deandrew Jordan was paid to be the starting center 568 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: on the Nets, like that's what the contract he was given. 569 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: He obviously is not ready for that Anymorening and He's 570 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: not going to be a huge, big time minute starter. 571 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: He's not going to be part of this Big three 572 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: or Big four or whatever. But again, a guy that 573 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: can run, dunk and put in a specialized role, I 574 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: think he can be effective. Saw it with Dwight. Dwight 575 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: can't play thirty minutes probably anymore, like he's not effective 576 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: when he does that. But you put Dwight in a 577 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty minute a role, he can dominate. He 578 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,239 Speaker 1: can you know, check the check the living hell out 579 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: of you for for those minutes. And I think DeAndre 580 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: Jordan's can kind of do the same thing. Um, I 581 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: don't think you lose that. And I think there's a 582 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: competitiveness there when you've been good as DeAndre Jordan has 583 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: been in his career. So I just that's my only 584 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: take there. I'm not saying he's better than Marcusol And 585 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: I think I'm just saying, like, why can't he feel 586 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: the jabail a few minutes a game? I mean the 587 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: Lakers obviously like that. Look. Um, no matter what the 588 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: spacing does, whatever it does, it obviously gives a d 589 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: some kind of, you know, assurance in his head that 590 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: he feels better about starting, you know, at the power 591 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: four position, and and you brought up all those guards. 592 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: We didn't even talk about Trevor Reason. We don't even 593 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: talked about Carmelo Anthony, who's gonna play as well? All 594 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: these dudes again, who are three fours that kind of 595 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: fill in um. Which is why I would be okay 596 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: with getting a center, because I feel like the guards 597 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: and even the wings um. I would probably like I 598 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: like West Matthews as well, like that would be an 599 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: awesome pick up for me if we can bring him back. 600 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: But again, we have already have a glut at that position, 601 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: especially in the play obviously, just why I would be 602 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: okay would bring it on the center, especially if Gasolo 603 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: decides to hang it up, because then you only have 604 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: Dwight Howard and a d As your centers, Like that's 605 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: those are your two centers. You're not gonna play Carmelo 606 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: at the five. I'm not gonna play a Reason at 607 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: the five. So that's why I would be okay with this. 608 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: And then you still have another roster spot open, so 609 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of where I would go. And they're 610 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: playing it seems like they're saving that for the buyout market. Anyway, 611 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: which which my guests would be they'll use that in 612 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: reaction to whatever significant injury happens over the course of 613 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: the year, which is bound to happen to somebody, hopefully 614 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: not anybody overly important. But you know, I agree with you, 615 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: and I'm not worried about versatility with DeAndre Jordan because 616 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if you're playing a 617 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: game and the Dwight thing isn't working out for some reason, 618 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: like Dwight's getting killed up and down the floor, You're 619 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: not gonna be like, oh, well, DeAndre Jordan is gonna 620 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: go in there and do better. Like no, you're gonna 621 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: default to Anthony Davis at the five and you're gonna 622 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: play some other line up to make that work. So 623 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not concerned about versatility from that regard. 624 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: And you know, in terms of just overall talent that 625 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: you can add for veteran minimum contract, as like your 626 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: fourteenth roster spot, I don't think you can do any 627 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: better than DeAndre Jordan's. I think that that's about as 628 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: good as it gets. Um, do you have anything else 629 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: you wanted to discuss in terms of the extra roster 630 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: spot before we move onto the wind total. Uh No, 631 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: I think that's good. I think uh, I think this 632 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: will pretty much be the roster. Maybe one of those 633 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: those kind of guys on two ways can make the roster, 634 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: and one of those young guys. But other than that, 635 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: I think I think this is a team. Um, and 636 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: we can kind of dive into that in the future 637 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: as well. Yep, I agree. We're one month away from 638 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: from getting into that. So um. You know, wind totals 639 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: are interesting because there's a bunch of different factors. You know, 640 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: Vegas is not a hard or fast rule in terms 641 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 1: of what you know, they're super super smart, you know, 642 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: algorithm you know, analytics dudes come up with in terms 643 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: of what a team is going to be. It's that 644 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: in combination with what they anticipate the public to bet 645 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: heavily on. It's that in combination with them trying to 646 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: bake in a little bit of injury risk. You know, 647 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: a team that's a little bit more injury prone is 648 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: going to have a little bit more, a little bit 649 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: lower wind total because Vegas is prepping for that sort 650 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: of thing. So there's a lot of different angles that 651 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: go into it. However, fifty one and a half, which 652 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: is what the Lakers over under is right now strikes 653 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: me as super low, and I have to I'd have 654 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: to look it up because I don't remember for sure, 655 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: but I think it was fifty one and a half 656 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: in that season that they won the title as well. 657 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: Um and I remember because I remember it was like 658 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: fifty I think it was right around fifty fifty one. 659 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: But it was also fifth place in the West, if 660 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: you remember. But this year they're tied with the Jazz 661 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: for number one in the West in terms of their 662 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: over under, and so it's super interesting. So like a 663 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: couple of things, I think it's important to to understand 664 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: what the Lakers did the previous two years, and then 665 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: I also think it's important to understand what's different about 666 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: this year. So two years ago, this was a core 667 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: part of my Lebron should have been the m v 668 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,479 Speaker 1: P case. The Lakers were at a going into the bubble. 669 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: Right right after they beat the Clippers on that Sunday 670 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: in March. The Lakers were on a sixty four wind pace, okay, 671 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,479 Speaker 1: that was what That was the pace at which they 672 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: were winning games through the point of the shutdown. Then 673 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: they went into the bubble and and weren't trying and 674 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: they went three and five, so threw it off a 675 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: little bit, but they were at a sixty four wind pace. 676 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: Then this year, before the Anthony Davis injury, they were 677 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: twenty one and six. And six is guess what a 678 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: sixty four wind pace in a full length season. Now 679 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: this season, I'm getting a normal training camp with normal 680 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: practice in normal rest, which is going to favor older 681 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: teams because the schedule isn't as intense working day to 682 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: day as things kind of drag on. Then I also 683 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: have Russell Westbrook, who was arguably the best regular season 684 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: motivator in league history. I don't know that you could 685 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: tell me of a single play are that's going to 686 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: give a ship more night in and night out against 687 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: random teams than Russell Westbrook. And so for me, if 688 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: they stay healthy, sixty five is very much on the table, 689 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,719 Speaker 1: you know. And that's counting the fact that they might 690 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: be at a high sixties pace and then let their 691 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: foot off the gas at the end of the year 692 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: if they have the one seed locked up, I think 693 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: that's very possible. My guess is if you put a 694 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: gun to my head and said how many games you 695 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: think they're gonna win I'd say sixty, and that's based 696 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: on Anthony Davis taking some rest games. Same with Russell Lebron. 697 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: The rust thing also adds this weird element where they're 698 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: just a little bit more capable of winning games if 699 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis is out, for instance, like you know, with 700 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: Lebron and Dennis, they were able to get some wins, 701 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: but with Lebron and Russ, they're just gonna be able 702 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: to get more wins in the days that Anthony Davis 703 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: sits out and vice versa. Like a Lebron out game 704 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: was like a guaranteed loss last year or close to it, 705 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: although they ended up scrounging together some wins there in 706 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: that little stretch with Dennis Shrewder. But with with Russell 707 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: Westbrook and Anthony Davis, you've got a chance to win 708 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: some games there. So even they even have a little 709 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: bit of baked in injury, you know, buffer in that regard. 710 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: And so to me, what it would take for them 711 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: to win fifty two games, which is what they would 712 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: need to hit the over is very much in play. 713 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: And you know, parody is absolutely a thing, and it's 714 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: it's very true in NBA history. This is one of 715 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: the things that I hate about when you see in 716 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: the Lebron MJ debates when they go, oh, Lebron beat 717 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: fewer sixty win teams than than m J didn't. It's like, Uh, 718 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: lots of sixty win teams is a sign of a 719 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: week league, not a sign of a strong league. It 720 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: means that they're beating the heck out of guys night 721 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: in the night out and stacking up wins. You Uh, 722 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: a league with parody has more teams in the fifties 723 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: and it does teams in the sixties. That's just the 724 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: way that it works. That said, I think the Lakers 725 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: are considerably better than the teams beneath them in the West. 726 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: I think better than Utah. I think you'd agree with me. 727 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: They're better than Denver without Jamal murray by by a lot. 728 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: Same goes with the Clippers with Kauai being hurt. You know, 729 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns. The Lakers are gonna take that match 730 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: up very personally this year. It's easy to see that 731 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: they're going to be the better team most nights that 732 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: they're on the floor. They're gonna lose some games, But 733 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: I tend to think that sixties very much in play 734 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: and could I wouldn't be surprised if they hit sixty five, 735 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: what about you? Yeah, I agree with that. I think 736 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: if you look at like just the over runners in general, 737 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: they didn't give anyone too many wins right there. They're 738 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: really believing this like parody league, kind of this balanced 739 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: out league. Right. We just saw the Milwaukee Bucks when 740 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: the title over, you know, Kevin Durant and and the 741 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets. So it's kind of that's all kind of 742 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: baked in. You bake in injuries, you bake in um 743 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: players sitting more, all that stuff. I agree with you, 744 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: they should be able to run off a bunch of 745 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: wins UM one and six. I didn't even realize that 746 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: that was like a sixty five win pace, like just 747 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: when it was happening. It's just didn't feel that way 748 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: winning percentage, believe it or Yeah, And that was with 749 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: like a d kind of you know, Hollwold and out 750 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: of shape and stuff like that. And you talked about 751 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 1: Russ as this like big time motivator in the regular season. 752 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: He's not just that. He's also motivated himself this year, right, 753 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: Like he has an extra even boost of motivation because 754 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: he's on a new team and wants to prove that 755 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: he's part of this you know, winning kind of formula. 756 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: So I think he'll be great for the whole team. 757 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: The motor You have a bunch of new guys, bunch 758 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: of young guys trying to trying to prove each other. 759 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, like when you just look at that, they 760 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 1: also bake in that, you know, lak your fans are 761 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: gonna go and you know slammed over or whatever. You know, 762 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: Vegas base is very smart in the way they that 763 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: they kind of dude in theory, if they're slamming the over, 764 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: it would be higher because they would want to bake 765 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: it that. That's what that's what's so crazy about that line. Yeah, 766 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: and I think it will raise like by the time. 767 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: So if you want to go back that you should 768 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: probably do it now if you can get it at 769 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: the one. But yeah, I agree with you. They should 770 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: be able to get more wins um now that But again, 771 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: like this is all baked into how many like to me, 772 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: this all just go and sides with the point that 773 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: we've been making all summers. It's like this is the 774 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: year of Anthony Davis. To me, like that this is 775 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: the year of a d like this is where he 776 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: needs to show he's one of the top five players. 777 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: You know, there's been a lot of talk is he 778 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: even topped and stuffing like this needs to be his 779 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: year and this all gets baked into that if he's himself. Um, 780 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: I think this team can run off, run off a 781 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: bunch of wins, and they have the talent to do it. 782 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: They have young guys, they have motivated guys that are 783 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: that are a little bit older. So I think they 784 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: cam in and Russ has talked about it. He's ready 785 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: to kind of run off run off a bunch of wins. 786 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: And even Lebron I think is a little bit more 787 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: motivated than than last year. There was a there was 788 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 1: a seriousness, there was a tone that was lacking last 789 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: year that I feel like, we'll see, we'll see this year. 790 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: So since I agree with you, they should hit that 791 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: over And if you want to go bet that, you 792 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: should because I'm sure that number is gonna rise by 793 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: the time we get to get the training camp. So 794 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: the journey. A little secret is I never bet over unders, 795 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: literally because I'm not patient enough. I hate the letting 796 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: money disappear for that long And even if it's like 797 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,439 Speaker 1: fifty bucks or something. I actually bet and over runner 798 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: for the first time ever the other day with a 799 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: buddy of mine because he asked me to. The over 800 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: runner for the University of Arizona football team was two 801 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 1: this year, so they just need to win three games there, 802 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: you Bay football team is terrible. But anyway, but we 803 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: both got season tickets for like fifty bucks, so we 804 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: literally are are we bet the over under so we 805 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: can see if they can win three wins. But anyway, 806 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: it's weird. It's like you put I bet seventy five 807 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: bucks on it, and uh, I won't see that money 808 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: if unless until December if they win, like you know, 809 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: like that that's what's so weird about it. Um. But 810 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: I think the one craziest thing this is Tim Bontemps, which, 811 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: by the way, this is classic Tim Bontemps. But he 812 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: goes like, you know, what do we know about Lebron 813 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: and in year one with a new team, like it 814 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: usually is a little bit rough, and I want to 815 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: be like Lebron and d D have played together for 816 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: two years now and I've already won a championship, Like 817 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,919 Speaker 1: like they had all those new players last year last 818 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: year was exactly the same. Yeah, they brought back k 819 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 1: C PThD, that kind of thing, But for the most part, 820 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,439 Speaker 1: the rotation was stocked with all these new guys Marcus Almntrez, Harold, 821 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: Dennis Shrewder, Wesley Matthews, all these new dudes. And they 822 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: started twenty one in six and like, the wildest part 823 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: about that twenty one and sixth starting you touched on 824 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: this A d was freaking somewhere else mentally that entire stretch. Okay, 825 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: Lebron didn't touch a basketball the entire offseason, like like 826 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: he basically just took time up for rightly so because 827 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: he won a title on October eleventh and then started 828 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: playing in December. But the point being like, for whatever reason, 829 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: the people are level like talking about these concerns having 830 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 1: to do with that continuity, and I'm like, dude, push 831 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,959 Speaker 1: comes to shove. Lebron and Anthony Davis know what they're doing, 832 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 1: and all these other dudes have smaller roles. Dannish, Dennish, 833 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook has the biggest kind of new thing to 834 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: to fit in with this group, but he's more or 835 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: less going to do the same thing that Dennis Shrewder 836 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: did which is control the pace of the game to 837 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: bring the ball up the floor. And early in the 838 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: season last year, the Lakers were forced feeding Dennis and 839 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: begging him to do stuff, which also was part of 840 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: the reason why I thought Anthony Davis struggled a litt 841 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: a bit. But you know, and at this I'm interested 842 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: to hear your take on. Lebron is always loud and 843 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: in your face with what he's doing. So he's one 844 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: of the few guys that when he tweets, you know, 845 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: like am time for work? Like he's that guy that 846 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: when you do that, when he does that, like it 847 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: actually happens every day, you know, Like whereas there's a 848 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: great deal of players that are like, oh, I put 849 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: I put him work today, and it's like the first 850 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: time they went in three days, you know what I mean. 851 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 1: Like the Lebron is not that guy. But I do 852 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: think it's super interesting to me that Anthony Davis has 853 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 1: been very quiet this summer um, even to the point 854 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: where Russell Westbrook and Lebron didn't work out without him 855 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 1: at one point, which I don't think he deliberately avoided. 856 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: I'm sure it was just a scheduling conflict, but I 857 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: do think it's super interesting that Anthony Davis has had 858 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: a quiet summer. What are your thoughts on Anthony Davis 859 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: basically falling off the edge of the earth this summer? Yeah, 860 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: I mean he he does. Like Okay, so Russ and 861 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: Lebron are super lud personalities right there. There guys that 862 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: jump off the screen and too. You'll know when you'll 863 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: know when Russ has a bad game good, You're gonna know, 864 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: like he's gonna be in your face, it's gonna be 865 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: on the referee, you know all that. Anthony Davis has 866 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,919 Speaker 1: a more like toned down kind of approach. I think 867 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: he's more laid back. Um, I think he loves the 868 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: l A lifestyle. But he doesn't want to be on 869 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: social media all the time. It's not like he posts 870 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: like crazy unless it's like his commercials and stuff. And 871 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: I don't think you need to. That's not to confuse 872 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,399 Speaker 1: his competitiveness, Like you don't get to Anthony Davis's level 873 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: without being a super fire competitor. You know, That's just 874 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: how it goes. And I think he understands. Um, he's 875 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: he's not dumb. He's read the tea leaves, He's read 876 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: what people are saying, and he knows he can't do 877 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 1: anything over the summer to prove it wrong. So again 878 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: this I go back to that twenty season, like that 879 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: A D was a monster every single night. Like it 880 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: wasn't like, oh a D had a good game and 881 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: then had three you know subpart. No, it was like 882 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: twenty five and twelve and then twenty and thirteen and 883 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,720 Speaker 1: then thirty two and fifteen and and all this stuff 884 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: about how is rohndoing Danny Green in the defense. No, 885 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. There's Lebron and A D kicking your 886 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: ass every night. I remember when they went into Utah 887 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: and Utah you know, they weren't great, but Utah is 888 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: a tough place to play, and it looked like a joke. 889 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 1: Like A D was absolutely eating Gobert for breakfast, lunch, 890 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: and dinner. Because that's the capability that he's having. And 891 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: I'm listening on the Utah broadcast, like to listen, they're like, oh, well, like, 892 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do. A D did a you know, 893 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: dribble through, step back, you know, dunk on Gobert? Like 894 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? And that's the type of 895 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: stuff that he can do because that's the talent that 896 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: he has. And last year, look, there's a lot of 897 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: I don't want to say excuses, but reasons. You know, 898 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: you get a title, super short offseason, um, you know, 899 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 1: and there's like the motivation factor has gone. And I 900 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: think this year A D missed a lot of games, 901 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: like he really did, Like he was out from February, 902 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,320 Speaker 1: was never himself again. He had a few good games 903 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: that game against the Suns where he screamed I'm back, 904 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, stuff stuff like that. There were little parts 905 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: and moments, but nothing like that previous season where it 906 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: was nightly. It was every single night in Portland. Damon 907 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,399 Speaker 1: c J, Are you kidding me? Like no, we're gonna 908 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: I'm absolutely dunk on you every time because that's what 909 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: I can do. And so like that's that's the A D. 910 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: I want to see again. And then he understands that 911 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 1: he's not done. He's a guy that's been in top 912 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: m VP votes and he's the guy that should be 913 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: in Defensive Player of the Year awards every year. Like 914 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: that's the guy I think is there and we'll see 915 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: again and this stuff. But like it's funny because you 916 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: talked about, you know, the Russell Lebron is so big 917 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: personality that like Carmelo just gets put to this like, oh, 918 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: he's just gonna come in and be like the three. 919 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: And this is Carmelo freaking Anthony on the team. And 920 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 1: it's like they posted him as a Laker yesterday. They 921 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,479 Speaker 1: posted his like photos and him shooting at the gym. 922 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is absurd. He's like the eighth story 923 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: on this team. It's like, oh yeah, Also Carmelos on 924 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 1: the bench, I'm like, that's Carmelo Anthony, like who was 925 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: starting for the Blazes last year. So it's just you're right, 926 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: the Lebron and the rust takes so much of the 927 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,240 Speaker 1: oxygen in the room that like you forget sometimes about 928 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: a d about Melow, about all these other guys who 929 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: have super strong Even Dwight is a strong personality, it's 930 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 1: not like he's he goes quiet into the night either. 931 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: So it's it's interest gonna be interesting season, man, We're 932 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 1: gonna have a limited amount of things to kind of 933 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 1: engage on here. Yeah, you and I have talked off 934 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: the record or off the air a few times about 935 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: how this season is just gonna be so much fun 936 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,919 Speaker 1: to cover it's not even Anthony Davis has so many 937 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: good reasons to be motivated, you know, Like he had 938 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: a bad year in the regular season. Uh, and he 939 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: lost in the first round. He had his moments in 940 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: that series, but he also got outplayed beyond by DeAndre 941 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: Jordan in Game one, which was kind of a big 942 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: swing swing moment of that series. And uh then then 943 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: the player that he's most compared to, Janice goes and 944 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: wins finals MVP and drops fifty in Game six, and 945 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: it is literally you know, the bell of the ball, 946 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: so to speak, for for the last few months and 947 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: getting all this love and it's like, hey, a d Like, 948 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: what have you been up to? You just had one 949 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,959 Speaker 1: of the worst seasons of your career. So like there's 950 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,919 Speaker 1: a lot of reasons why Anthony Davis should come into 951 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 1: this year very motivated. He's been very quiet. He's traditionally 952 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 1: he's very much more Kauai than he is Lebron in 953 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: terms of the way he handles himself off the court, 954 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,280 Speaker 1: Like I didn't even though he had a kid until 955 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: until he came to the Lakers. Like that's just kind 956 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: of the way that he carries himself, which I have 957 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: a great deal of respect for I have no problem 958 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: with that. It's just just been different and interesting. But 959 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: he has he has a great deal of reasons to 960 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: come into this year caring a lot, and you know, 961 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: and I do think that that stuff matters, and especially 962 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: the honest thing, because like, I don't think it's a 963 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,240 Speaker 1: coincidence that Steph Curry came out and lit the world 964 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,320 Speaker 1: on fire the year after Lebron won his fourth Finals 965 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: m v P. I think that these guys sit at 966 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 1: home and when they see their rivals UH having moments, 967 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 1: I think they take it personally and they and they 968 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: and they use it as a fire to go to 969 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: the next level. I you know, we just talked a 970 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: lot about a d I very much expect Lebron to 971 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: be an m VP candidate this year. There's way too 972 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: many people writing him off as like this, you know, 973 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: this is the year that Anthony Davis is gonna come 974 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: back and go off. You know, Russell Westbrook there was 975 00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: Royce Young did his big thing with LFR and he 976 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 1: talked a lot about how teams take on the personality 977 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: of Russell Westbrook. It'll be interesting to see what happens 978 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,959 Speaker 1: when he joins the Lakers. And I'm for the record, 979 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: I'm very interested in seeing that as well. But meanwhile, Lebron, 980 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, has been very out in the open over 981 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. And uh he made a 982 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,799 Speaker 1: joke about being on house arrest for the next month 983 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 1: getting ready for training camp the other day on Instagram. 984 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: Like the dude is taking this offseason very seriously as well, 985 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: which is something he hasn't done in a couple of 986 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: years because of his growing injury and because of his 987 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: ankle injury. Like Lebron, guess who stole the show from 988 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: him last season? His two biggest peers at the position, 989 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: Janice and Kevin Durant. Even Kauai had a fantastic playoff 990 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: run before his a c L got torn. So there 991 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,399 Speaker 1: are gonna be people around the league. I think he's 992 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: the fourth best small forward in the league right now, 993 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, like they're at a certain point, you know, 994 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I think this is gonna be Lebron's last great, great, 995 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 1: great season. That's not to say that he won't still 996 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: be good next year to some ex it, but like, 997 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 1: I think this is his last, like his last just 998 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 1: masterpiece of the season, and and and and so I 999 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,439 Speaker 1: think as a Lakers fan that they have more more 1000 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 1: reason to bet the over, by the way, But I 1001 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: just see, I think there are so many reasons why 1002 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: this Laker team could be so good, and some of 1003 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,360 Speaker 1: the pessimism surrounding them doesn't actually make a ton of 1004 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: sense to me. But um, but yeah, I I I 1005 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: would certainly there's room for all of them to succeed, 1006 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, like Anthony Davis can get Defensive Player of 1007 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: the Year get m v P votes and Lebron can 1008 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,920 Speaker 1: get vy P votes. The best case scenario, ironically, would 1009 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: be like two thousand seventeen Golden State where Stephen Katie 1010 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,319 Speaker 1: both finished like fourth and fifth and MVP voting. Because 1011 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: what that means is neither of them are getting the award, 1012 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,720 Speaker 1: but both of them probably should. They're just not getting 1013 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,840 Speaker 1: it because they're on the same team, which is what 1014 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: you want. That means that both players are playing to 1015 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 1: the absolute peak of their ability, and I think that 1016 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: that's very much in play. Did you have anything else 1017 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,879 Speaker 1: you wanted to add about uh that in particular before 1018 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: we move on to our last topic. Yeah. My last 1019 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,279 Speaker 1: thing on that is, like it's looking at Lebron has 1020 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 1: been a Laker for three years, right, and two of 1021 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: them have pretty much been uh derailed by injury. Right. 1022 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,759 Speaker 1: The first year he heard on Christmas, Um, I think 1023 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: he tried to come back, but I'm not sure. I 1024 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: don't think he did come back. And then the third 1025 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,799 Speaker 1: year is you know, he got injured. Um, Solomon Hill 1026 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 1: went to his his angle and he got h ankle 1027 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,759 Speaker 1: sprain and he was never really himself after that either. 1028 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,280 Speaker 1: So the one year he was healthy, they won a title. 1029 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 1: So to me, like, that's the main thing here. Lebron 1030 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,000 Speaker 1: staying healthy pretty much equals finals run for the last 1031 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: twelve thirteen years, however long his his reign has been 1032 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,320 Speaker 1: since he went to the finals. Like, healthy Lebron pretty 1033 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 1: much equals finals more than anything as every equal one. 1034 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: So that's my whole thing here is that Lebron stays healthy. 1035 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,240 Speaker 1: I think he puts as much work into his body 1036 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 1: as he does put as much, you know, million dollars 1037 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,239 Speaker 1: into his body. Whatever, does the training, like you said, 1038 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: wakes up at five am, which tweet out the work 1039 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: out and then with tweets zach Lavine, welcome to CLUK. 1040 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: You know, he'll do all that stuff, which is when 1041 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,799 Speaker 1: you're looking at that. But yeah, like to me, it's 1042 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: all health for him, and he's healthy. There's no one 1043 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: you would take over him in a series, agree with you? 1044 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 1: Um So, our last topic we about fifteen fifteen minutes here. 1045 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: Um So, basically, Mike James, who was a backup point 1046 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,360 Speaker 1: guard for the Brooklyn that's last year if I remember correctly, 1047 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 1: tweeted out basically that he thought Kyrie Irving was the 1048 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,080 Speaker 1: most skilled point guard in the league, and it turned 1049 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: into this whole, uh, you know, ship show on Twitter 1050 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,479 Speaker 1: because Steph Curry has such a ravenous fan base and uh, 1051 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: it became like this whole other thing. And I don't 1052 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: even think Mike James would say that Kyrie is a 1053 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,440 Speaker 1: better basketball player than Steph Curry, but for whatever reason, 1054 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,880 Speaker 1: that those two topics got conflated and it became this 1055 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,400 Speaker 1: whole thing. But it's been an interest. The reason why 1056 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:51,879 Speaker 1: I brought it up to you something that I wanted 1057 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: to talk about today is it's become actually kind of 1058 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,319 Speaker 1: like the latest proxy war in this like long term 1059 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 1: uh debate that I've been having with people about the 1060 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:07,880 Speaker 1: difference between like impactfulness and skill. And it's complicated because 1061 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 1: like everybody, I tend to think that everyone's offensive ability 1062 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,960 Speaker 1: is a combination of three things. It's your skill, the 1063 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 1: things that you go into the gym and craft through 1064 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 1: practice and repetition and dribbling the ball off your foot 1065 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,600 Speaker 1: seventeen times so that the eighteenth time you don't dribble 1066 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,359 Speaker 1: the ball off your foot, and working on all these 1067 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 1: different floaters and angles and things along those lines. That 1068 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 1: is part of it. And then another part of it 1069 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,320 Speaker 1: is your i Q, your ability to read a defense 1070 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,200 Speaker 1: so that you can consistently find the best opportunities to shoot. 1071 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,239 Speaker 1: And then the third part is your physical tools. What 1072 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,240 Speaker 1: are your god given traits that give you the ability 1073 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 1: to utilize those skills at a higher level than somebody 1074 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,480 Speaker 1: who doesn't have the same uh physical tools. And you 1075 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,279 Speaker 1: know what's funny is, you know, Steph Curry, I think 1076 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,359 Speaker 1: we I think you and I both agree. Is like 1077 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: a tear one super super duper star, right, and Kyrie 1078 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 1: is something else. He's in that third tier of stars, 1079 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 1: maybe fourth tier. You might find someone who thinks he's 1080 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: in the second tier, but he's certainly not the same 1081 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 1: level player as as Kyrie or as Steph. Excuse me, 1082 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,720 Speaker 1: but what's interesting is like everyone associates that skill set 1083 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,000 Speaker 1: your bag, so to speak, as the only indicator of 1084 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,040 Speaker 1: what you do on a basketball court. And it's interesting 1085 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 1: to me because like, what makes Steph a Tier one 1086 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,680 Speaker 1: super Duper Star actually has only only partially has to 1087 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 1: do with his shooting, you know, his that's his elite 1088 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,319 Speaker 1: skill that he brings to the table. But what makes 1089 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,760 Speaker 1: him the Tier one super Duper Star is he defends 1090 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: extremely well at a position that most people don't defend well. 1091 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,520 Speaker 1: He is willing to work off the ball, which has 1092 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,320 Speaker 1: unlocked the success the success of his team as a whole. 1093 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 1: And then in general, he's very good at weaponizing his 1094 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,759 Speaker 1: shooting to get easy shots, so he doesn't have to 1095 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,400 Speaker 1: do the things that Kyrie Irving does to get a 1096 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,560 Speaker 1: shot off. That's all to say that Steff is a 1097 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 1: very much better basketball player than Kyrie. However, Kyrie is 1098 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 1: a slightly better ball handler in my opinion. He's a 1099 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,840 Speaker 1: considerably better at finishing varying types of layups around the 1100 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,120 Speaker 1: rim over contests, and because he shoots differently, he shoots 1101 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: at the top of his shot step, shoots on the 1102 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 1: way up. He's trying to sneak it on you, whereas 1103 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 1: Kyrie elevates and shoots at the top of his release. 1104 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,360 Speaker 1: That gives him a little bit better opportunity to score 1105 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 1: off the dribble in the mid range as a like, 1106 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,879 Speaker 1: he can attack from the post, he can go into 1107 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,840 Speaker 1: like spin moves, and elevate over contests to make shots. 1108 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,120 Speaker 1: Those are three very specific skills that I think Kyrie 1109 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: is slightly better than Steph at And that doesn't mean 1110 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,600 Speaker 1: he's a better basketball player. And I think it's ridiculous 1111 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,799 Speaker 1: that those things get conflated into two separate things. And 1112 00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 1: it's it's the same reason that I think Lebron is 1113 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,920 Speaker 1: a better player than k D, despite the fact that 1114 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,399 Speaker 1: k D is more polished in certain areas of his game. 1115 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,879 Speaker 1: Am I crazy for thinking this way? Do you think 1116 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 1: Steph fans are out of line here? Where are you 1117 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,799 Speaker 1: at them? Yeah? You're better at articulating this stuff. Like 1118 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,880 Speaker 1: for me, like this very comes very close to like 1119 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,319 Speaker 1: the Hooper basketball player kind of close right, like kind 1120 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,319 Speaker 1: of like that kind of conversation to me, like you 1121 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,840 Speaker 1: talked about Steph, Like if step was justin Lee shooter like, 1122 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,920 Speaker 1: he wouldn't he would be a great player, He wouldn't 1123 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,239 Speaker 1: be the Tier one star he is right. To me, 1124 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: what makes step like a generational player is like he 1125 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,200 Speaker 1: not only can shoot, he can also dribble. He can 1126 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: go buy you. You have to guard him everywhere on 1127 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 1: the floor because he can not only curl off screens, 1128 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,839 Speaker 1: he can also fake get to the rim, finished at 1129 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,360 Speaker 1: the basket. He can fake find guys are like to me, 1130 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 1: that's what makes step a generational players. Not just as shooting. 1131 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 1: You know, Reggie Miller was a great shooter, but Steff 1132 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,319 Speaker 1: is like he has the handle, he can behind the back, 1133 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,240 Speaker 1: step back three on you and it's a good shot. 1134 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,960 Speaker 1: Like he made those shots good shots. He changed the 1135 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: game in that way. I guess, Like for me, it's 1136 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,280 Speaker 1: like the difference between having the ability right this skill 1137 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,680 Speaker 1: and translating it to a five on five winning scenario. 1138 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,640 Speaker 1: To me, Like, I guess that's how I see this 1139 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 1: conversation right, Like Kyrie has every skill in the book. Um. 1140 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,880 Speaker 1: I was listening to Brian Winhorset the Who Collective and 1141 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,040 Speaker 1: he asked Kyrie, like, how do you make these weird shots? 1142 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,520 Speaker 1: He's like, I looked on YouTube and the like I 1143 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,360 Speaker 1: practiced these like crazy bank layouts and look that's amazing. 1144 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,000 Speaker 1: But like, does that help. Does that like help you 1145 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: win in a five on five scenario? I don't know 1146 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,480 Speaker 1: how much that helps her, But again, like that's the 1147 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,960 Speaker 1: difference here is Steph Ben's defense is in a way 1148 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: like you can read kind of where it's going, kind 1149 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,120 Speaker 1: of understand the tempo of the game now, where the 1150 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,200 Speaker 1: game needs to go to. Those are kind of things 1151 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,319 Speaker 1: to me that like separates you as a basketball player. 1152 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,799 Speaker 1: That's why Lebron's in the top two best players ever 1153 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,319 Speaker 1: because he not only can score, he also knows when 1154 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,840 Speaker 1: it's right to playmate. He knows you know how to 1155 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,759 Speaker 1: play deep, you know when to play great deep. Like 1156 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,879 Speaker 1: all that stuff kind of is baked in, and that's 1157 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,319 Speaker 1: the difference to me. Like Jamal Crawford has every skill 1158 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,840 Speaker 1: in the book as well, but is he a top tier, 1159 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, superstar, No, because he doesn't bend defense is 1160 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,600 Speaker 1: the same way he does one skill, which is scoring, 1161 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,799 Speaker 1: which is great. It's just like he doesn't do the 1162 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,640 Speaker 1: same way. That's how I see. Uh, it's harder for 1163 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,799 Speaker 1: me articulate stuff the stuff that you are, but like 1164 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: that's kind of how I say, do you see it 1165 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 1: that way as well? Kind of this translation into like 1166 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,839 Speaker 1: five on five Winning basketball is different than just being 1167 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,320 Speaker 1: have the skill like Hi Red does to do to dribble, 1168 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,839 Speaker 1: crossover through the legs, step back, fadeaway jumpers that like, 1169 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,719 Speaker 1: you know, a team can scheme out eventually. I think 1170 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,719 Speaker 1: you're articulated. It's just fine. I mean, what what what 1171 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,359 Speaker 1: is the point if it's not to win a five 1172 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,040 Speaker 1: on five basketball game? You know, And and for the record, 1173 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,719 Speaker 1: those things that Kyrae does, they do bring value, just 1174 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: in a different way. And it's usually in very, very 1175 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,080 Speaker 1: focused scenarios like it at this spe sick thing, which 1176 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,920 Speaker 1: is game tied at eighty nine and it's Game seven 1177 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,600 Speaker 1: of the Finals, and there's one minute left, and you 1178 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:49,960 Speaker 1: run a screen with j R. Smith to get a 1179 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,880 Speaker 1: switch on to Steph Curry. Kyrie Irving is going to 1180 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,359 Speaker 1: be one of the best guys in league history in 1181 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: that specific scenario. But the point is is over the 1182 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,719 Speaker 1: length of the game. You know. One of the most 1183 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,960 Speaker 1: common series used by Kyrie fans to say Kyrie is 1184 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,360 Speaker 1: better than Steph is the two thousand sixteen Finals and 1185 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,440 Speaker 1: they go, Kyrie flat out outplayed Steph on the biggest 1186 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,359 Speaker 1: stage to win the championship. So Kyrie is better that 1187 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,560 Speaker 1: that's their logic, and it's flawed in so many different ways, 1188 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,719 Speaker 1: not not the least bit was the fact that step 1189 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,560 Speaker 1: was hurt in that series, and that Kyrie, when his 1190 00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,400 Speaker 1: knee was acting up in later points in his career, 1191 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,640 Speaker 1: he had also didn't look great at basketball in those moments. 1192 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,680 Speaker 1: But also within that series, Steph was the top of 1193 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,160 Speaker 1: the food chain. The entire Cavalier defense was thrown at him, 1194 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,799 Speaker 1: whereas Kyrie when he was having his moments with with 1195 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,520 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands, it was more like Lebron 1196 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,239 Speaker 1: ran the show two thirds of the time, attracted all 1197 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,120 Speaker 1: the defensive attention, made all the decisions, did everything, and 1198 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,560 Speaker 1: was their best defensive player, but would just hand the 1199 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,160 Speaker 1: ball to Kyrie about once every three possessions, and he 1200 00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,240 Speaker 1: would take some rest on the other side of the floor, 1201 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,680 Speaker 1: and Kyrie wud attack Clay Thompson in one on one 1202 00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,479 Speaker 1: defense with very little help. And that was his job. 1203 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,520 Speaker 1: And Kyrie did great in that job. But he had 1204 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,040 Speaker 1: an easier job, a significantly easier job than what Steph 1205 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,960 Speaker 1: did in that series. And so that that's why I've 1206 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,600 Speaker 1: always had a huge problem with that. The book is 1207 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,200 Speaker 1: out on Kyrie Irving, we have too much evidence of 1208 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,520 Speaker 1: what it looks like when he's at the top of 1209 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,960 Speaker 1: the food chain the way that Steph is. When Steph 1210 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,680 Speaker 1: is at the top of the food chain, you get 1211 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,839 Speaker 1: league m vps, you get championships. Even if you throw 1212 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,319 Speaker 1: out the Kevin Durant years, he got a championship in 1213 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,399 Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen and one sixty seven games that year 1214 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,640 Speaker 1: and one seventy three games the following year. We know 1215 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,880 Speaker 1: what it looks like when Steph is the guy. We 1216 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,759 Speaker 1: also know what it looks like when Kyrie is the guy, 1217 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,879 Speaker 1: and it's very different. But that said, it's it's also 1218 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 1: okay to acknowledge that Kyrie is better at those very 1219 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 1: very very specific skills that are significantly less valuable. And 1220 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,680 Speaker 1: I think you know, and lastly, as far as the 1221 00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,239 Speaker 1: shooting goes, it too often people gloss over it. They'll 1222 00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,480 Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, you know, steps steps a better shooter, 1223 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,400 Speaker 1: Kyrie is better at the other stuff. It's like, uh, 1224 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,440 Speaker 1: he's so so, so, so so much better as a shooter. 1225 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,880 Speaker 1: He's so monumentally better than every single one of his 1226 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,799 Speaker 1: peers at that specific skill that it actually makes for 1227 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,480 Speaker 1: a significant gap in the way that they impact the 1228 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,360 Speaker 1: basketball game. It's the same thing with Lebron and KD. 1229 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,920 Speaker 1: You go, well, Katie's better at this, this, this, and this, 1230 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 1: but Lebron is a better passer. It's like, actually, Lebron 1231 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 1: is one of the best passers in league history, and 1232 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,600 Speaker 1: that actually makes up a significant gap in the things 1233 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,480 Speaker 1: that they can do as scores. You know what I mean, 1234 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,880 Speaker 1: Or you know, Lebron is better at the rim, but 1235 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,840 Speaker 1: Katie is better from the perimeter. Okay, Well, Lebron literally 1236 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,480 Speaker 1: shoots like at the rim, even at his old age 1237 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,000 Speaker 1: in the playoffs. So like, at a certain point, like 1238 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,920 Speaker 1: you have to account for that's a gigantic chasm in 1239 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,320 Speaker 1: the way that they perform at that very specific thing. 1240 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,840 Speaker 1: And so I and to your point, it's all about 1241 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,960 Speaker 1: what you do in the five on five. What you 1242 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 1: do in one on one that's fantasy basketball, because that 1243 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,600 Speaker 1: doesn't exist anywhere on in in in the NBA. It's 1244 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,560 Speaker 1: all about what you do in the five on five setting, 1245 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,080 Speaker 1: not just in one possession, but over the sixty eight 1246 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,640 Speaker 1: possessions that happened in the basketball game or depending on 1247 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,960 Speaker 1: at the pace in any given game. Those are the 1248 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,880 Speaker 1: things that actually matter. And so looking outside of that realm, 1249 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,720 Speaker 1: to me, is just a waste of everybody's time. So, like, 1250 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,920 Speaker 1: not to bring this full circle, but you said, how 1251 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,120 Speaker 1: like the book is out on Kyrie, right like as 1252 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:23,960 Speaker 1: a number one option, right Like you kind of know 1253 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,840 Speaker 1: what you're getting. You could kind of say some of 1254 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,320 Speaker 1: the things about Russell Westbrook, right like as a number 1255 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,760 Speaker 1: one option. You know what that kind of looks like, 1256 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,400 Speaker 1: Right We've seen the playoffs, we see the bad shooting 1257 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,040 Speaker 1: kind of come to the forefront when he is the main, 1258 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,360 Speaker 1: high usage, high level only shot creator. But like when 1259 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,480 Speaker 1: you watch the nets and when Kyrie is the third option, 1260 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,200 Speaker 1: it looks absolutely unstoppable, and you're like, you have you 1261 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,960 Speaker 1: have a Katie fire going here, you have a hard 1262 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,640 Speaker 1: and fire going here, and then you're supposed to guard Kyrie, 1263 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,640 Speaker 1: who's maybe one of the best one on one players seven. 1264 00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,000 Speaker 1: It just looks unfair. At times people are like, oh, 1265 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,320 Speaker 1: I gotta throw my third best defender on Kyrie, Like 1266 00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,800 Speaker 1: this is kind of unfair. He's cooking this guy, you know. 1267 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,840 Speaker 1: So that's kind of the interesting point to me, is 1268 00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:03,800 Speaker 1: like when I look at that from a Westbrook realm 1269 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,400 Speaker 1: as well, like Westbrook as a third option kind of thing, 1270 00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,920 Speaker 1: where can he thrive doing that as well. So I 1271 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,000 Speaker 1: just bring in that full circle, like, you're right, there's 1272 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,040 Speaker 1: Kyrie has a lot of kind of flaws in terms 1273 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,160 Speaker 1: of a five and five team game, and you're right, 1274 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,600 Speaker 1: there's no one on one situations. But in a five 1275 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 1: on five game, there are one on one situations that 1276 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,760 Speaker 1: you come up and and and it's not and it's 1277 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,960 Speaker 1: not as much in the playoffs. Around the playoffs, teams 1278 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,680 Speaker 1: are a lot more locked in. They kind of are 1279 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,680 Speaker 1: schemed out. You're not playing one on one in the 1280 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,280 Speaker 1: playoffs because everyone knows what everyone's doing. But in the 1281 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,160 Speaker 1: regular season there are one on one situations where Kyrie 1282 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,480 Speaker 1: can kind of create. And I'm interested just from that 1283 00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,600 Speaker 1: kind of situation where to see Westbrook, who also you know, 1284 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,920 Speaker 1: as a number one option, had his flaws, but you know, 1285 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,040 Speaker 1: again next to Lebron, which is funny, like they both 1286 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,320 Speaker 1: kind of want Kyrie obviously one with Lebron, and now 1287 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,080 Speaker 1: Westbrook gets his chance um as a third option. I'm 1288 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,560 Speaker 1: interested to see him um in that role too. But yeah, 1289 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,520 Speaker 1: it's a interesting conversation. And Steph, I think is another 1290 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,360 Speaker 1: tier than Kyrie. I don't think you'll get a lot 1291 00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,160 Speaker 1: of push back from that, Um, I think the skill 1292 00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,840 Speaker 1: versus I think I think what Mike James is talking 1293 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,360 Speaker 1: about is a different conversation. Like it just is Kyrie 1294 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,720 Speaker 1: is probably more offensively, just has more total package in 1295 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,480 Speaker 1: his bag, But can you pull that out in a game? 1296 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,880 Speaker 1: And I think that's what you're saying, right, Like your 1297 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,919 Speaker 1: back can be full, but if it has a zip 1298 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,600 Speaker 1: or closed on it for a lot of it, then 1299 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,040 Speaker 1: what's the point I guess, so like that that's a 1300 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,840 Speaker 1: distinction there. Um, I agree with you. It's been the 1301 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,680 Speaker 1: case for Lebron his entire career is like you never 1302 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,880 Speaker 1: are wondering where he's at on the floor on defense, 1303 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,040 Speaker 1: he's the one on the back line communicating everything and 1304 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,320 Speaker 1: disrupting everything at the rim. On offense, even when he 1305 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,160 Speaker 1: doesn't have the ball, he's kind of pointing guys around 1306 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,440 Speaker 1: telling him where to go. It's a it's an impact 1307 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,160 Speaker 1: every single possession of the game. And Steph is the 1308 01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,400 Speaker 1: same way because if Steph wants to go rest for 1309 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,680 Speaker 1: a possession in the corner, all he has to do 1310 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,440 Speaker 1: really is come off of a pin down and he's 1311 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,440 Speaker 1: going to draw two guys and then everyone else can 1312 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,840 Speaker 1: kind of do their things. So the value is is 1313 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,280 Speaker 1: impossible to quantify in just a one on one skill set. 1314 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's the latest example of how crazy fans 1315 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,120 Speaker 1: are because you know, I'm a I'm a huge Lebron fan, man, 1316 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,120 Speaker 1: like Lebron got me into basketball. Like I'm as big 1317 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 1: a Lebron fan as you'll find out. I'm not one 1318 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,760 Speaker 1: of those crazy guys who will tweet out the ten 1319 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,120 Speaker 1: Commandments of Lebron or anything like we saw last a 1320 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,200 Speaker 1: couple of months ago. But at the end of the day, 1321 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:15,840 Speaker 1: like I'm a big Lebron fan. Hey, guess what, I 1322 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,400 Speaker 1: think Kevin Durant is better at shooting than him, and 1323 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,560 Speaker 1: I think he's a better ball handler, and I think 1324 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,480 Speaker 1: he has a more polished scoring package. It's like, like, 1325 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,000 Speaker 1: there are a lot of things that I think Lebron 1326 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,880 Speaker 1: is not as good at as some of his peers. 1327 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,680 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I don't think he's still the best player. 1328 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,160 Speaker 1: It's just it's okay to to try to be kind 1329 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,960 Speaker 1: of reasonable about this stuff and discuss, you know, the 1330 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,360 Speaker 1: totality of a player's uh package on the basketball court, 1331 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,320 Speaker 1: rather than just you know, being what you and I 1332 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,160 Speaker 1: have talked about a lot, a lot This past month 1333 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,760 Speaker 1: being yes men and just like valiantly coming to the 1334 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,240 Speaker 1: defense of absolutely anything involving a topic, regardless of of 1335 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,800 Speaker 1: any sort of objectivity. But anyways, there anything else you 1336 01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,040 Speaker 1: wanted to say today before we call it today? Man, No, 1337 01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,040 Speaker 1: I think that's good. Season are gonna be coming, so 1338 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,200 Speaker 1: get ready. It's like a thirty days away. I think 1339 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,600 Speaker 1: from October three is the first preseason game, so like 1340 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,800 Speaker 1: thirty two days. But yeah, we're going to pick it 1341 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,560 Speaker 1: up here for sure. Yeah, and we're gonna do a 1342 01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,480 Speaker 1: mail back probably Friday, so uh, Roger and I'll tweet 1343 01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,959 Speaker 1: something out maybe tomorrow and get some questions from you guys, 1344 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,440 Speaker 1: and then we'll just do a full podcast that we 1345 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,360 Speaker 1: just do mail back questions later in the week. But Roger, 1346 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate you as always, Thank you everyone for listening, 1347 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,280 Speaker 1: and I will get this one uploaded to the podcast 1348 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,640 Speaker 1: feed here shortly. Thanks everyone,