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Speaker 1: of your day. Two hours from now, Tom Brady shows

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Speaker 1: up live. An hour from now, Greg Cosel in the house.

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Speaker 1: Bruce Feldman is gonna check in with us as well.

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Speaker 1: A very active, very troubling, dark day. Michigan's looking for

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Speaker 1: a new football coach, and let's start there. Sharon Moore

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Speaker 1: has been fired. So you know, there's two or three

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Speaker 1: elements to this. Number One is there are certain jobs

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Speaker 1: and maybe it's maybe it's thirty or forty percent of

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Speaker 1: jobs in America. Maybe it's more it's not every job,

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Speaker 1: but certain jobs in America. You need an elevated sense

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Speaker 1: of character, both personally and professionally. You know, school president,

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Speaker 1: you hope, the church, college campus jobs. There are certain

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Speaker 1: jobs where you have to have a seriousness about you,

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Speaker 1: in a maturity about you, so you can meet the job.

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Speaker 1: You can meet the program, you can meet the standard.

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Speaker 1: Michigan football is not only a college football job, it's

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Speaker 1: one of America's great public institutions. When I was a

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Speaker 1: kid growing up, to me Michigan football, this is way

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Speaker 1: pre Brady. I thought it was the best program in America.

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Speaker 1: Like the fight song, the crowd, the games, and Michigan

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Speaker 1: football to me as a kid, even through college, like

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Speaker 1: that was the job, great university, wonderful fans, and Charon

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Speaker 1: More to me, I'll be honest with you, he always

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Speaker 1: felt like an interim coach. I just didn't think he

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Speaker 1: He didn't have his own identity. Again, I didn't think

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Speaker 1: you're asked to replace Jim Harball, the wider the search

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Speaker 1: staffer if you're trying to replace Jim Harball. Remember when

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Speaker 1: girod Mayo. Disaster. Then they went and this is what

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Speaker 1: could be a really, really good coordinator, maybe a head

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Speaker 1: coach at Michigan. Yeah, that's a big job. That is

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Speaker 1: and he didn't meet it. Secondly, there are reports that

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Speaker 1: this is a team and roster with holes. And what

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Speaker 1: Austin Reeves. Spurs players who were guarded by Austin Reeves

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Speaker 1: that's what the Timberwolves did in the playoffs, attacked Austin Reeves.

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Speaker 1: A really good player, offensively works his butt off. Cool story,

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Speaker 1: off Cody Bellinger, Trey Turner, Manny Machado, Corey Seeger great players,

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Speaker 1: but they go after Mookie and Freddie Freeman and Otani.

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Speaker 1: Freddie Freeman and Mookie Betts. Everybody loves gritty Austin Reeves

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Speaker 1: Two guys, Luca number one, JJ Reddick number two. Everybody

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what they did without Wemby. They got every

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Speaker 1: be an influencer, take cool picks. The difference between the

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Speaker 1: bus family and the current owners is a standard. Corey

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Speaker 1: Seeger is replaceable. Otani isn't right, Trey Turns a good player.

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Speaker 1: Freddie Freeman's a Hall of Famer. Austin Reeves is a

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Speaker 1: sniff Yannis. Okay, it's not even it's not a discussion.

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Speaker 1: You wear your team jerseys, you take your pictures. JJ

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Speaker 1: Reddick knows when they play the top teams and the

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Speaker 1: great athletes in the West. Here's JJ Reddick with some truth.

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Speaker 3: Serum, the things that help you win on the margins.

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Speaker 3: We're just not very good at right now, and you know,

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Speaker 1: He's telling you what Rich Paul's telling you, what Uncle

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Speaker 1: Colin's telling you. They can't defend. It's not what they are.

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Speaker 1: They have three players that duplicate each other. Luca Lebron

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Speaker 1: but there's too much duplication. They've got to get bigger

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Speaker 1: the perimeter defensively. I mean, JJ Reddick's telling you, you know,

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Speaker 1: Michigan situation. Again, it's early, the playoffs haven't started. The Bulls.

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Speaker 1: Great Rates None of the bulls. So I've heard this

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Speaker 1: left Belichick. You know why talent regression the roster. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Bill ten years earlier. People get tackled in football. They

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Speaker 1: don't really need wide receivers. Kelsey and Mahomes will figure

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Speaker 5: We were in unprecedented territory, so place that we haven't

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Speaker 1: For the record, twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two, before

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Speaker 1: they're averaging a touchdown less a game. Name the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: This is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 6: Always fun when someone besides me goes in on the

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get started. Collin with the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 7: Listen.

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Speaker 6: It's been an up and down first year for Brian

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Speaker 6: I mean, goodness gracious, twenty nine points per game, highest

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Speaker 1: Pretty impressive.

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Speaker 6: Anyways, Dallas has a tough path to make the playoffs,

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Speaker 6: and here's what Shoddy says about that.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, but I don't think that's the only thing we're

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Speaker 8: judged Bonn. But that's what we want. You can't sit

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Speaker 8: number one objective. After that, it's building the culture. Minnesota

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Speaker 1: Do like Dallas this week?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Do you I think they're I think they're in a

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Speaker 6: Definitely a better quarterback a Vikings O. Lion is rounding

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Speaker 1: Saying Dallas is better than what they showed Thursday night.

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Speaker 6: Defensive, this will be a good one for JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you can't run on Dallas.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to run on I really think they need you.

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Speaker 6: Justin Jefferson chirping, this is shaping up as a big

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Speaker 1: I really selling out to the public. I honestly think

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Speaker 6: Okay, all right, you see Lamb gonn play the way

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Speaker 1: This is a big one.

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Speaker 6: Josh Allen heads to Foxborough. Listen to Buffalo has dominated

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we are facing them. They've had a bulls eye

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Speaker 1: I oh, I think absolutely. And again if you like

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Speaker 1: Beaten this year? Yeah? Sure, go ahead, you ready? So

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Speaker 1: Come on? They beat Bryce Young Why Shawn's gonna make

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Stop it?

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Speaker 6: They beat I don't even know if it was Spencer

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Speaker 1: I hear this a lot. I hear this from fans lot.

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Speaker 1: Who did they beat? It's not college, it's pro football.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the weakness the reason I think this line

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Speaker 6: But again we're talking about our team with a ten

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Speaker 6: it interesting. Final story is our contractual obligation to Chicago

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Speaker 6: Caleb Williams big showdown in the frigid temperatures at Soldier Field.

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Speaker 6: I saw a negative wind chill expected. Sunday He's going

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Speaker 1: Now, Caleb's done a good job of avoiding sax this year.

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Speaker 7: He has, as as the kids say, is a deep

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Speaker 2: Do his thing.

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Speaker 7: Obviously he's right there at the sack record, almost there

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Speaker 1: Me for the record, I know this matters to me

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is excellent at the podium, always says the

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Speaker 6: Well, listen, Caleb's nine and four. They're riding high. It's

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, or in Dallas or philadel And these

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Speaker 6: He's had a great season. I was impressed against the Packers.

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Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts. If he has to throw over thirty times,

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Speaker 1: And the Bears. Oh, come on, Caleb's a much better

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Speaker 1: pocket guy. I Caleb's got a better arm. Caleb throws

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Speaker 1: I think the potential is there colin the numbers.

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Speaker 6: It's year two, so I'm not gonna say so Jaron One,

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Speaker 6: you're with Ben Johnson?

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Speaker 1: Is this ignoring the rookie year? To me, it doesn't exist.

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Speaker 1: It only exists on Google.

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Speaker 6: So to me, the Notre Dame of Miami season opener

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Speaker 6: didn't exist.

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Speaker 1: Jay mag with the News, Well that's.

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Speaker 2: The news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: So I feel strongly about this, and I've talked about this,

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Speaker 1: but not to this level. Oklahoma City last Night crushed

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Speaker 1: another team. I don't want to hear that. It's Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: They're twenty four and one. Analytically, their all time rank

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Speaker 1: is number one. They're better than Katie and the Warriors,

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Speaker 1: Shaq and Kobe, better than the MJ Bulls. They're easily

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Speaker 1: the best defensive team that's ever been formed in the

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Speaker 1: NBA analytically, and that's saying something. Because of the European pipeline.

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Speaker 1: We've never had more skill offensively, and yet they shut

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Speaker 1: it down. MJ's Bulls often played teams. Did you worry

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Speaker 1: about Oaster Tag and T Bailey hitting a twenty four footer?

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Speaker 1: This team is insane. The coach the GM and if

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Speaker 1: you look at their best players, most aren't in their

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Speaker 1: prime yet. SGA is so oh yeah. They have three

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Speaker 1: first round picks this year, could win the lottery. They

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Speaker 1: could have the number one pick. No egos, nothing's getting

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Speaker 1: way of this thing. And this is my point, this

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Speaker 1: is where I did. I don't get the anti dynasty crowd.

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Speaker 1: You do realize there's different ways to create a dynasty.

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Speaker 1: One of them was Golden State had a very rich owner.

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Speaker 1: He's like, all pay the tax penalty. Okac's going to

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Speaker 1: create one because their GM's the best. San Antonio did

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Speaker 1: it with international scouting right like they were ahead of

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Speaker 1: everybody on international scouting. Miami did it because they convinced

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Speaker 1: Lebron to come play with his buddy, because they have

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Speaker 1: the best GM at the time, the great recruiter, pat Riley.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's owas tax the rich. Is that going to buy

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Speaker 1: you a house? Tax the rich? In nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 1: the wealthians Americans, the wealthiest Americans had one point seven

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Speaker 1: billion dollars. Today they have twenty three trillion. Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: they had one seven brillion to twenty three trillion. It's

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Speaker 1: gone up thirteen times with seven different presidents, Republicans, Conservatives, liberals, progressives,

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Speaker 1: seven different presidents. Rich people have more money and a

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Speaker 1: greater share of it than they've ever had, and baseball's

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Speaker 1: never had a more fascinating dynasty. My point is the

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Speaker 1: NBA is paralyzed by this, and part of Baseball's growth

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Speaker 1: is that they're not taxing the rich. Isn't buying you

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Speaker 1: a house, and those people are more willful, driven, often smarter, aspirational.

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Speaker 1: This idea we're just gonna pull everybody right to the middle.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't work in sports. He used to be in

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Speaker 1: college football you could have one hundred and twenty five

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Speaker 1: scholarships offered. Then they kept reducing it, and yet we

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Speaker 1: had the greatest dynasty ever in Alabama. They kept reducing

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Speaker 1: Scotts and it didn't do anything. The Bama dynasty was

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Speaker 1: better than every previous dynasty. Oklahoma City has a chance

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Speaker 1: to win five of the next six. They are stacked,

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Speaker 1: and they're doing it with a great GM who has

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Speaker 1: manipulated other weaker gms. And by the way, the new

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Speaker 1: CBA in the NBA is more punitive to a dumb

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Speaker 1: GM because if you make a mistake now as a

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Speaker 1: front office guy, you're done. You can't buy your way

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Speaker 1: out of it. And all the owners are billionaires. So

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Speaker 1: this Oklahoma City, at least the Dodgers dynasty is interesting.

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Speaker 1: I got nothing against Oklahoma City, but it's it's it's depth.

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Speaker 1: SGA is a great player. They didn't really want to

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Speaker 1: talk much. Did you ever see their victory celebration after

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Speaker 1: they won. I got more excited at twenty four when

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Speaker 1: I got a credit card and barely cared. And they're unemotional.

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Speaker 1: Small market, it is not really a market thing. Were

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Speaker 1: all trying to smush everybody together, and the NBA has

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Speaker 1: been paralyzed by this. Oh, we can't have dynasties. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I thought the Heatles were awesome. I love

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Speaker 1: Jordan's bulls. I was really into Katie and the Warriors.

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Speaker 1: Seven years seven teams. Baseball's like, hey, what evs?

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Speaker 3: I mean?

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee's good, Seattle's good. So are the Cubs, the Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: the Yankees. The Mets have money, they stink. The Padres

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Speaker 1: have less. They're good. But this prime example is Oklahoma City.

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Speaker 1: They are analytically the best team ever and their players

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Speaker 1: are all young, and this matters in the NBA. Not

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Speaker 1: a lot of ego. The GM is brilliant, the coach

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Speaker 1: is excellent, the depth is insane, the best defensive team ever.

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Speaker 1: SGA's a bucket home and Jalen Williams they go. They

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Speaker 1: go nine deep, and they're young. You're not gonna break

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Speaker 1: it up. And next year they have three first round picks.

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Speaker 1: They can get the number one pick in a loaded draft.

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Speaker 1: It's a dynasty. It's just a boring one. So stop

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Speaker 1: being paralyzed by it. Let players be players. There's a

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Speaker 1: million different ways to get rich in America. Keep taxing them.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna buy me a house.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: Some people are just smarter than me, more willful. Well

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Speaker 1: the deck is stacked. Well then why is OKC winning?

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Speaker 1: Why are they so folks? They're winning by forty thirty.

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Speaker 1: I don't care how you get to a dynasty. The

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Speaker 1: Lakers did it with Los Angeles players. I mean they

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Speaker 1: didn't come here because the taxes were beneficial players for years.

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Speaker 1: Came to LA because they had the cool brand. Friend

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Speaker 1: of mine was at the Laker game last night. He said,

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Speaker 1: everybody looks like they're on OnlyFans or an influencer. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's the LA Laker crowd. It's not the Dodger crowd,

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Speaker 1: but it's the Laker crowd. It's like everybody's going to

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Speaker 1: a club. It's the cool place in the NBA. They

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Speaker 1: attracted players on that they didn't even know it. As

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Speaker 1: pam the most. The Dodgers defer payments, but great players

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Speaker 1: want to play with great players, so the Dodgers do

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Speaker 1: with money. But the Dodger also don't miss on trades.

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Speaker 1: They do it because analytically they're smarter than everybody. So

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Speaker 1: everybody in the NBA is like, oh, they're gonna tank.

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Speaker 1: Who cares? Just be interesting. We're in the interesting business.

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Speaker 1: TikTok hulu, streaming ig, the markets all wide, and you're

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Speaker 1: worried about we don't want a team to repeat. These

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Speaker 1: guys can reel off four straight.

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Speaker 7: Who cares?

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Speaker 1: Get me y Honist to the Knicks. I mean, get

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Speaker 1: me y Honist to the lakes. This whole thing worrying

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Speaker 1: about tanking, This whole thing worrying about dynasties. Dynasties are good.

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Speaker 1: Look at Baseball's ratings the last two years. They're exploding.

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Speaker 6: You remember my line, give me super teams or give

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Speaker 6: me death. I want super teams in the NBA. The

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Speaker 6: problem with OKC is, like you said, they're boring, Colin,

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Speaker 6: What happens if they're the Spurs two point Oh they are.

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Speaker 2: That's not a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Go look at whatever elite, what was going on in

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Speaker 1: the league. I think it's a good thing because in

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Speaker 1: the end, I root for greatness, and Sam Presty's GREATGA

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Speaker 1: is great, and the coach is great, and the fans

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Speaker 1: are loyal. But I'm not anti dynasty. My take is

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Speaker 1: there's a million ways to get rich in America, and

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Speaker 1: there's a million ways to form a dynasty. Some do

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Speaker 1: it with GM, some do it with pat Riley, some

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Speaker 1: do it with LA's Vibe, some do it Dodgers with money.

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Speaker 1: George Steinbrenner, I thought it was great for baseball.

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Speaker 6: We do need to remember OKC needed seven to take

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Speaker 6: out Denver last year in the playoffs, they needed seven

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Speaker 6: to take out the Pacers and Haliburton got hurt.

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Speaker 1: So I get it. They're a great regularly. They're young

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Speaker 1: players now or you're better, They're good. They're really really good.

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Speaker 1: Bruce Feldman around the corner neck.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and neon Easter. They're not a im pacific.

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Speaker 1: Bruce Feldman been covering college football but thirty years now

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Speaker 1: on New York Times, best selling author, writer at the

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Speaker 1: Esteemed Athletic, and Fox Sports college football reporter. We don't

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Speaker 1: catch in at this early hour very much. This is

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Speaker 1: a treat for us. I've said this. There are certain jobs,

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Speaker 1: not all jobs, certainly, but there are certain jobs that

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Speaker 1: your seriousness and maturity have to match. The job. Michigan

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Speaker 1: football is on a short list of all college jobs.

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Speaker 1: Is one of the most profound, an unbelievable university, a

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Speaker 1: global university. There are people insinuating that Michigan knew about

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Speaker 1: this for a long time, but you know there was

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Speaker 1: recruiting signing day. What does your sourcing tell you on

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Speaker 1: when did this develop? When were there? I mean, was

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Speaker 1: this sudden or not?

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Speaker 10: I think it was sudden in regard to what they

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Speaker 10: could prove to fire him. I think there was rumors

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Speaker 10: of this for at least a month from my understanding,

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Speaker 10: if not longer than that, and it wasn't. I feel

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Speaker 10: like it was a poorly kept secret to be honest

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Speaker 10: about this inappropriate relationship. But from our at the athletic,

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Speaker 10: in the last you know, thirty six hours or so,

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Speaker 10: I think Michigan got more information that was really.

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Speaker 1: Damning that they could act on.

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Speaker 10: And I think that was you know, that was it

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Speaker 10: from that point, from a sense of they can fire

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Speaker 10: him from for a cause for now, for this.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a really sad story.

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Speaker 10: And the more the fallout of how it sounds like

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Speaker 10: sure On Moore has handled this in the last day

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Speaker 10: or so is really disturbing.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't. He was a pretty good recruiter, although in

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Speaker 1: nil Generally the check is the recruiter. So Underwood's a

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Speaker 1: remarkable talent. But there's ten million dollars, which is double

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Speaker 1: what the coach was making. That's the world we live in.

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Speaker 1: It's a great job. Some would insinuate because of the timing,

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Speaker 1: although the portal doesn't open till January. Now, because of

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Speaker 1: the timing, they're going to miss out on like top coaches.

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Speaker 1: But I watched Penn State get an excellent young coach,

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Speaker 1: Matt Amble, and that was a bigger mess in terms

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Speaker 1: of I mean recruiting. This is still a top five job,

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Speaker 1: is it? Even with this story? Right, it's the bluest

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Speaker 1: of blue, blue blood jobs.

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Speaker 10: Jim Harbow won a national title, as we know, just

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Speaker 10: a couple of years ago, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 10: good young talents starting with Bryce Underwood. They signed a

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Speaker 10: top you know, one of the top running backs in

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Speaker 10: the country. There's a lot of pieces to work with,

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Speaker 10: you know. Absent of this, I think there were some

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Speaker 10: concerns about Sharon Moore as a head coach r you know,

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Speaker 10: going into into all of this, right, you know, he'd

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Speaker 10: made questionable hires the last few you know, the last

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Speaker 10: few years on the offensive side.

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Speaker 4: Of the ball.

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Speaker 10: They were terrible on offense last year. They were really

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Speaker 10: underwhelming on offense this year with some young talent. And

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Speaker 10: I think this was going to be a big off

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Speaker 10: season to see where it was going to go. Now

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Speaker 10: I think it's flipped. You know, I would say this

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Speaker 10: if Penn State didn't hire Matt Campbell, Matt Campbell probably

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Speaker 10: would have been a really good candidate for this job.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they missed out on.

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Speaker 10: You're Michigan, You're not going to hire a Lane Kiffin anyway,

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Speaker 10: you know, Like I think the guys that you're looking

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Speaker 10: at now we'll see what the timing is going to be.

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Speaker 10: Like Kaylen Deboor is a name that could make a

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Speaker 10: lot of sense from Michigan.

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Speaker 1: That to me is number one.

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Speaker 10: Right, you got a guy who he was not from

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Speaker 10: everything I was told from sources closer to bor a

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Speaker 10: factor in the Penn State search, and everything I've heard

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Speaker 10: is he likes it in Tuscaloosa, he and his family do.

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Speaker 10: But you know, they sputtered down the stretch. They barely

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Speaker 10: got into the playoff. If they lose next week in

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Speaker 10: the opening round at Oklahoma, and I.

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Speaker 1: Own money, they don't they don't meet the top of

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Speaker 1: the well.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 10: I would hold off on that piece of it because

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Speaker 10: they just signed a really, really good recruiting class at Alabama.

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Speaker 10: So I don't think it's like, oh I can get

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Speaker 10: more for this. I think, really, Colin, I think it

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Speaker 10: comes down to this. If they get knocked out early

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Speaker 10: in the playoff, there's going to be immense pressure mounting

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Speaker 10: on Kaalen de boor there.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's.

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Speaker 10: Going to definitely bail, but it wouldn't surprise me. He

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Speaker 10: looked at and go, you know what, that might be

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Speaker 10: a better fit for me. Now you know, it's like

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Speaker 10: if people are again, and that's if he loses. Now, look,

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Speaker 10: we were in a weird situation last year with Ryan

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Speaker 10: Day around this time of year where people were writing

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Speaker 10: him off and he ended up winning a national title.

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Speaker 10: If somehow Alabama goes on a little run, I think

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Speaker 10: that builds him up some equity and then maybe he's

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Speaker 10: not a candidate for Michigan.

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Speaker 1: So my theory has always been the greater the icon

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Speaker 1: you replaced, the wider the net has to be to

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Speaker 1: replace him. Saban leaves Caitlin de bores about as good

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Speaker 1: as you're going to get Harball leaves, we have somebody

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Speaker 1: that had never been a head coach. Why did they

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Speaker 1: go with proximity over resume.

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Speaker 10: I think there was some pressure there where they looked

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Speaker 10: at it and said, you know, we had seen him

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Speaker 10: be a head coach because Harball got suspended for a

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Speaker 10: col you know, he's the head coach at the Penn

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Speaker 10: State game and players responded to him, and I think

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Speaker 10: they were hoping for continuity. Quite honestly, I think they

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Speaker 10: were also hoping that he would be able to keep

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Speaker 10: more of the staff that ended up coming out here

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Speaker 10: to Los Angeles. With Harbaugh, you had probably the best

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Speaker 10: strength coach in the country in college football.

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Speaker 1: That's a big thing. Ben Herbert.

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Speaker 10: Ben Herbert decided to go with Harbaugh and leave. I

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Speaker 10: think Michigan folks thought he was going to stay in

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Speaker 10: Ann Arbor with Sharon, and I think that, you know, look,

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Speaker 10: they could see a small window of what he would

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Speaker 10: be as.

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Speaker 1: A head coach.

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Speaker 10: But again, this guy was the offensive line coach, right

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Speaker 10: and Harbaugh is such a big presence around the team,

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Speaker 10: you know. I think there was maybe some warning signs

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Speaker 10: that they'd look back on now and saying, all right,

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Speaker 10: maybe this guy's.

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Speaker 1: Not ready for this job.

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Speaker 10: As you said, this is a different job than let's

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Speaker 10: say he got to be the head coach at Purdue,

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Speaker 10: where he got to be the head coach at Kansas State.

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Speaker 10: This is Michigan, you know, it's like Notre Dame. There's

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Speaker 10: very few schools that I think fit in this.

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Speaker 1: Realm. And let me throw out Jesse Mintter Chargers defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: defense second in the country. Will he be a candidate?

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Speaker 10: I don't know on that because Jesse Mencher still has

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Speaker 10: for at least the time being a show cause with

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Speaker 10: the NCAA. The other thing is Jesse Mentor is like

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Speaker 10: this close away from any reviewing for NFL head coaching jobs.

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Speaker 10: Somebody I talked to yesterday he was close to both

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Speaker 10: Jesse Mentor and Mike McDonald was the Seahawks coach who

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Speaker 10: used to be at Michigan, was like, I don't think

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Speaker 10: those guys want to come back to Michigan or come

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Speaker 10: back to this world of college football where you constantly

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Speaker 10: have free agency every year with all your players. That's

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Speaker 10: not how it is in the NFL. You know, that's

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Speaker 10: not a You know, if you're Jesse mentor, and you're

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Speaker 10: really close to gett an NFL head coaching job, why

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Speaker 10: would you jump back into this?

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Speaker 1: So if Kaylen de Boor isn't landed Jedfish at Washington, maybe.

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Speaker 10: Jedfish might make some sense. He worked at Michigan under

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Speaker 10: Jim Harbaugh. He just did an amazing job at Arizona.

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Speaker 10: They were horrible and then he got them to be

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Speaker 10: number eleven in the country and year three and he's

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Speaker 10: done a pretty good job at professions.

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Speaker 1: Coach, offensive coach.

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Speaker 10: I think if you know, you got to remember Kayleen

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Speaker 10: de bor really good offensive system, Jedfish really really good

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Speaker 10: offensive coach. If you are trying to say to Bryce Underwood,

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Speaker 10: hey stick around, those guys might make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 10: And again, I think Jedfish knows you know, he was

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Speaker 10: in Michigan. He still has some ties to folks inside

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Speaker 10: the Michigan family. I think he would make a lot

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Speaker 10: of sense for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Forty five seconds Marcus Freeman, NFL offers potentially, I think

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Speaker 1: he stays to you.

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Speaker 2: I think he stays.

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Speaker 10: I heard the Giants had some interest early on. I

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Speaker 10: heard he wasn't that interested in that, or wasn't interested

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Speaker 10: in that. I think he knows he's got a good situation. Obviously,

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Speaker 10: Notre Dame's had a lot of fireworks in the last

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Speaker 10: seventy two hours, but you know, the NFL is always

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Speaker 10: going to be there for him.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a great recruiter. To me, he's sort

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Speaker 1: of the gold standard of what you want with a

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Speaker 1: young coach.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, he's a CEO guy who has a ton of

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Speaker 10: presence in charisma, and I think he's grown from the job.

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Speaker 10: He's taken what he learned from Jim Tressel and guys

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Speaker 10: he's learned along the way, and I think he's done

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Speaker 10: a really good job. I mean, you know, if I

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Speaker 10: was a Notre Aime fan, I would hate to see

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Speaker 10: him go.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen seconds timeline for Michigan hiring a new coach.

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Speaker 10: You know, they have Biff Pogi right now as the interim.

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Speaker 10: They're going to play Texas in a bowl game at

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Speaker 10: the end of this month. I feel like they're going

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Speaker 10: to try to have as best stability as they can

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Speaker 10: and then I think they see they kick the tires

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Speaker 10: on De Boor and Fish and see what else happens

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Speaker 10: from there.

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Speaker 1: Bruce Feldman, what a good job the Athletic, follow his stuff,

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Speaker 1: read The Athletic and others. Tom Brady, Greg Cosell around

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Speaker 1: the corner